| 00:02.28 | Maquis | goozbach: yes :) |
| 00:03.16 | Maquis | has anybody here messed with aaxine? |
| 00:03.28 | goozbach | Maquis: come take a class at the office ;) |
| 00:03.30 | tene | if I had a spare keyboard, I'd remap and move the keys around physically, but I don't. |
| 00:03.57 | Maquis | i finally got it installed, but when i try to run it, it says: main: video driver aa failed |
| 00:04.17 | Maquis | goozbach: i'd love to... :) |
| 00:04.33 | tene | do you have allib installed, Maquis? |
| 00:04.43 | xbmodder | could someone tell me if this is a good email to get the locker database: |
| 00:04.44 | Maquis | aalib? yes... |
| 00:05.30 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.ca/4601 |
| 00:06.04 | goozbach | sjansen: love the post to plug-list |
| 00:07.08 | sjansen | xbmodder: It's a creepy letter. Social engineering (lying) is a bad way to get a girl's attention. |
| 00:07.27 | sjansen | Oops, guy. Perhaps as a prank on a friend.... |
| 00:08.39 | sjansen | No, wait... Anyway, I think it's a bad idea. |
| 00:10.13 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 00:10.28 | xbmodder | no i need to get all the lockey combos of the school |
| 00:10.34 | xbmodder | and i can't pick the locks |
| 00:10.52 | xbmodder | because i am horribly slow at picking master locks :( |
| 00:11.33 | sjansen | And why do you need the combos? |
| 00:12.04 | xbmodder | for her b-day it is on wednesday... i wanna put a bunch of ballons in her locker |
| 00:12.18 | sjansen | Like I said, creepy bad idea. |
| 00:12.33 | sjansen | Go through a friend. |
| 00:12.58 | sjansen | Don't do it by doing something that could get you into alot of trouble, not to mention scare her. |
| 00:14.38 | Maquis | girls don't like creeps |
| 00:15.04 | Maquis | if a girl thinks you're a creep, or if they have heard that you did something like this, they wil never go on a date with you |
| 00:16.01 | tene | Hey Maquis, if I break into your dorm and leave gifts on your bed where you sleep at night and think you're safe, will you go on a date with me? |
| 00:16.40 | Maquis | no, but i might send goo and stuart over to beat you into a pulp |
| 00:16.56 | tene | but you wouldn't come too? |
| 00:17.05 | Maquis | no... |
| 00:17.09 | sjansen | Getting a friend to help has an added bonus: now the other person feels more involved. Has a slight vested interesting in seeing a relationship work. |
| 00:17.12 | tene | Nevermind, then. |
| 00:17.50 | goozbach | tene, do it! |
| 00:17.54 | sjansen | If you come up as a topic, that person is more likely to say nice thing. Perhaps not even realizing the sense of common goal. |
| 00:18.04 | goozbach | I'm missing my henchman days |
| 00:18.19 | goozbach | I'd really like to beat someone into a pulp |
| 00:18.55 | sjansen | Whereas breaking in runs the risk of alienating the friends. Even if you manage to convince her it was sweet or cool, you still have to deal with friends telling her it was creepy. |
| 00:19.34 | goozbach | quick!!! somebody suggest something sweet to eat... I'm having a craving and I can't nail it down |
| 00:19.43 | tene | roasted almonds! |
| 00:19.51 | goozbach | ohh but where to get some |
| 00:19.52 | sjansen | rapadura |
| 00:20.03 | goozbach | I don't want to go all the way to the mall |
| 00:20.07 | sjansen | (pure sugar cane sugar) |
| 00:20.15 | tene | I'l give you some if you help me break into Maquis' dorm while she's sleeping |
| 00:20.30 | goozbach | dammit, where's a cheesecake factory when you need one? |
| 00:20.44 | tene | There's a cheescake factory in Maquis' bedroom. |
| 00:20.47 | sjansen | Should have thought of that before flying home. |
| 00:20.48 | xbmodder | ? |
| 00:20.49 | tene | let's go break in. |
| 00:20.54 | goozbach | really? |
| 00:21.02 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.10 | tene | Yeah, I am. |
| 00:21.11 | goozbach | Maquis would have told me if that is so |
| 00:21.29 | Maquis | goozbach: i have brownie mix... do you have putty? |
| 00:21.52 | goozbach | you'd bake me brownies? |
| 00:22.04 | goozbach | hmmmm... |
| 00:22.08 | Maquis | you might be able to have one... :) |
| 00:22.44 | goozbach | wait..... is the putty _for_ the brownies, cause I fell for that one already. |
| 00:22.59 | Maquis | huh??? |
| 00:23.08 | Maquis | you mean a trade? |
| 00:23.11 | Maquis | yes |
| 00:23.31 | tene | he meant the putty is intended to be given to the brownies |
| 00:23.32 | goozbach | no, I meant baking the putty into the brownies |
| 00:23.38 | tene | because that's another interpretation of "for" |
| 00:23.55 | Maquis | no... i want putty... why would i put it in brownies? |
| 00:24.05 | goozbach | I've got a couple tbsp of putty here at the house |
| 00:24.21 | goozbach | but remember, I have the keys to the office as well... |
| 00:24.26 | sjansen | emcnabb has eaten putty |
| 00:24.41 | sjansen | Since starting work with him, I've discovered Evan's survival skills seem to be somewhat lacking. |
| 00:24.48 | Maquis | sjansen: what crazy things has emcnabb not done... |
| 00:25.17 | goozbach | sjansen: just think, he'd be the perfect person to test the flora and fauna of a alien world |
| 00:25.33 | goozbach | "well it ain't killed evan yet" it aught to be good |
| 00:25.45 | Maquis | sjansen: wouldn't that be reasonably good survival skills if the putty didn't kill him? |
| 00:26.14 | sjansen | no |
| 00:26.25 | goozbach | Maquis: he's just lucky |
| 00:26.32 | goozbach | the skills are non-existant |
| 00:26.33 | Maquis | ah... |
| 00:27.07 | Maquis | what other things has he done/eaten at work? |
| 00:27.15 | Maquis | *storytime* |
| 00:27.55 | Maquis | goozbach: i think you and sjansen are telling the stories |
| 00:27.56 | sjansen | Hmmm, I'll have to write some down if I remember. |
| 00:28.27 | sjansen | Found out about the putty just Thursday, so it was easier to remember. |
| 00:28.51 | Maquis | exactly what caused him to decide to eat putty? |
| 00:29.06 | sjansen | It was there. |
| 00:29.27 | Maquis | and he was just really really hungry? |
| 00:29.36 | Maquis | or, he wanted to know what it tasted like? |
| 00:29.40 | Maquis | or???? |
| 00:30.08 | sjansen | He doesn't need more reason. |
| 00:30.16 | goozbach | w00T |
| 00:30.31 | goozbach | my laptop is now completly kde-redhat free |
| 00:30.46 | Maquis | goozbach: yay1 |
| 00:30.51 | Maquis | whatcha runnin? |
| 00:30.55 | goozbach | now to try amarok once again |
| 00:30.59 | goozbach | FC3 |
| 00:31.14 | goozbach | I had to re-install today, because I did some stupid stuff |
| 00:31.23 | Maquis | hmmm... /me needs to come up with fun things to have "there" for evan to eat... |
| 00:31.31 | Maquis | haha |
| 00:31.35 | goozbach | I use XFCE as my desktop enviroment |
| 00:31.47 | goozbach | all I wanted was to run amorok |
| 00:32.02 | Maquis | haven't had to reinstall gentoo yet... but that's more from pure luck and the intelligence of people i know |
| 00:32.27 | sjansen | The day is quickly ending, I think I've taken care of most everything I need to online... |
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| 00:46.29 | goozbach | and w00t! again 2.6.10 has a driver for ipw2200 |
| 00:46.36 | goozbach | too bad it's an old version |
| 00:46.49 | findlay | looks like gmail is down |
| 00:49.15 | findlay | hey goozbach do you want to try out bzmaze? |
| 00:50.51 | goozbach | w00t! amarok is in the kde-redhat.sf repository |
| 00:50.55 | goozbach | findlay sure |
| 00:51.01 | goozbach | what is it? |
| 00:51.07 | goozbach | bzflagish? |
| 00:51.29 | goozbach | do I have to have openGL installed, or can I use software rendering? |
| 00:51.43 | findlay | yeah, it's a cute little bzflag thingie I wrote |
| 00:52.17 | findlay | you can do it without decent hardware OK, it doesn't look neat though |
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| 00:52.37 | findlay | I'ts 3D so I guess you need OpenGL |
| 00:52.52 | goozbach | just a sec then, I've got to get openGL working |
| 00:53.08 | findlay | sjansen-treo realized he hasn't gotten everything done he needs to do online |
| 00:54.44 | findlay | ~splash goozbach |
| 00:54.47 | goozbach | ATI _FINALLY_ relased an rpm of their fglrx driver for xorg |
| 00:55.00 | findlay | source rpm? |
| 00:55.07 | goozbach | happy dance happy dance |
| 00:55.11 | goozbach | fiesta fiesta |
| 00:55.18 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 00:55.20 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 00:55.20 | findlay | bowl |
| 00:55.21 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 00:55.48 | goozbach | doh it's still the binary only foo |
| 00:56.02 | goozbach | kernel tainting peice of foo |
| 00:56.04 | fluxCap | Hey goozbach, you mone? |
| 00:56.15 | goozbach | but now I'll be able play UT on my laptop |
| 00:56.19 | goozbach | under linux |
| 00:56.53 | fluxCap | s/mone/home/ |
| 00:57.09 | goozbach | fluxCap: yup |
| 00:57.14 | fluxCap | :) |
| 00:57.33 | goozbach | ok so firefox is screwed up |
| 00:57.44 | goozbach | an .rpm file fires up realplayer now |
| 00:57.50 | fluxCap | What did you do to your notebook? |
| 00:57.57 | goozbach | didn't know that you could play rpms |
| 00:58.05 | fluxCap | lol, I've seen that before. |
| 00:58.05 | findlay | (: |
| 00:58.18 | goozbach | fluxCap: it started by wanting to play an mp3 with a kde application under linux |
| 00:58.39 | fluxCap | Which KDE app? noatun? |
| 00:58.57 | goozbach | lets just say when I tell the students in my classes that rpm --force --nodeps together it's a bad idea for a reason |
| 00:59.22 | fluxCap | yup. |
| 00:59.40 | fluxCap | always a bad idea, even if you do know what you're doing. :) |
| 01:00.04 | fluxCap | which gooz does. |
| 01:00.13 | goozbach | stinks!... it still conflicts with libGLUT |
| 01:00.21 | goozbach | fglrx that is. |
| 01:00.38 | goozbach | meaning I'm gonna have to un-install it to apt-get upgrade and then re-install it later |
| 01:00.53 | fluxCap | You still have to install fglrx with --force. Either that, or extract using rpm2cpio and then build your own non-conflicting one. |
| 01:01.21 | fluxCap | my favorite mp3 player is transcode. |
| 01:01.31 | fluxCap | turn `em into OGG files. |
| 01:01.49 | sjansen-treo | hmmmmm, not enough stoplights for irc |
| 01:02.01 | goozbach | don't transcode |
| 01:02.05 | goozbach | it sounds like dunk |
| 01:02.28 | fluxCap | I never have, really. It was a joke. No, I just rip OGG from scratch. |
| 01:02.29 | goozbach | I'm searching out the orignal cds of each mp3 I own and re-ripping them in flac or ogg |
| 01:02.56 | fluxCap | I started doing some flac, but I decided I liked ogg better. |
| 01:03.02 | goozbach | and by own, yes I mean "downloaded illegally off the internet" |
| 01:03.08 | Maquis | what's the advantage of ogg? |
| 01:03.17 | findlay | FLAC is lossless |
| 01:03.22 | fluxCap | sjansen-treo: Is it much farther. |
| 01:03.27 | findlay | therefore bigger, and slower to compress |
| 01:03.28 | goozbach | number one, no licencing |
| 01:03.39 | Maquis | but those won't work in my mp3 player :( |
| 01:03.53 | findlay | |lart Maquis' mp3 player |
| 01:03.54 | goozbach | Maquis: buy an iriver |
| 01:04.00 | fluxCap | findlay: yeah, but FLAC is HUGE! And the audio quality difference is just not enough to justify it to me. |
| 01:04.12 | Maquis | goozbach: money... |
| 01:05.03 | findlay | fluxCap: about 3-5 times bigger than an ogg |
| 01:06.02 | fluxCap | Maquis: OGG is completly open-source and unencumbered by patents, etc. Oh, and the files produced are smaller than mp3 while loosing much less. |
| 01:06.18 | fluxCap | In short OGG kicks MP3's butt. |
| 01:06.31 | goozbach | flac for storage, ogg for playing/transporting |
| 01:07.42 | fluxCap | findlay: I was starting to build a media database with FLAC, and then I had a frontend that would transcode to MP3 or OGG for your device. But I only have 156GB on my file server right now, so I just do not have the space to finish building that yet. |
| 01:08.16 | fluxCap | goozbach: Have you gotten an iRiver, yet? |
| 01:08.39 | goozbach | fluxCap: nope |
| 01:08.54 | goozbach | just bought that server and the car mp3 player stuff |
| 01:08.58 | goozbach | and the treo |
| 01:09.13 | fluxCap | I didn't know about the car MP3 stuff. |
| 01:10.20 | fluxCap | The server is classroom 2 (still in the box, I fought the temptation :). |
| 01:11.03 | goozbach | the server is not in classroom 2, its in my living room downloading rhel4-beta2 |
| 01:11.20 | fluxCap | Cool! |
| 01:11.33 | fluxCap | But you left your chair at my desk? |
| 01:12.02 | findlay | fluxCap: just wait until I come out with RSLC |
| 01:12.34 | fluxCap | [R]ather [S]alty [L]ittle [C]odec ?? |
| 01:12.41 | fluxCap | :) |
| 01:12.42 | findlay | then you will be able to factor sound images into 1/1000000000000 the original size |
| 01:12.55 | findlay | Ridiculously Small Lossless Codec |
| 01:13.12 | fluxCap | What is the target release date? |
| 01:13.25 | findlay | yesterday, I guess |
| 01:13.33 | fluxCap | RSLC: The codec that requires your sound file to be at least 3 days long. |
| 01:13.51 | findlay | in order to fit in one byte? |
| 01:13.53 | fluxCap | But still stores then in only 3 bits! |
| 01:14.03 | fluxCap | yeah |
| 01:14.34 | findlay | the remaining information is stored in a subspace repository |
| 01:14.42 | fluxCap | Ah. |
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| 01:18.38 | fluxCap | Everybody was Kung-Fu fighting; Those cats were fast as lightning; In fact, it was a little bit frightening; But they fought with expert timing. |
| 01:19.58 | fluxCap | huh! Hah! huh! hah! |
| 01:23.06 | fluxCap | bb all. Gotta switch systems. |
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| 01:28.38 | findlay | what's a port that a particularly restrictive ISP is likely to leave open? |
| 01:28.43 | findlay | if any |
| 01:28.48 | tene | in or out? |
| 01:28.53 | findlay | incoming |
| 01:28.59 | tene | the ftp-recieve port |
| 01:29.01 | tene | think it's 22 |
| 01:29.06 | findlay | 22 doesn't work |
| 01:29.09 | tene | maybe 21 |
| 01:29.11 | findlay | at least ssh doesn't work |
| 01:29.18 | fluxCap | 21 is the FTP command channel port |
| 01:29.26 | fluxCap | IRC typically uses 6667 |
| 01:29.27 | tene | oh, right, ftp is 20/21, not 21/22 |
| 01:29.30 | fluxCap | IIRC |
| 01:29.37 | tene | so try 20 and 21 |
| 01:30.05 | tene | yeah, looks like 20 is ftp-dta |
| 01:30.08 | tene | data* |
| 01:30.19 | fluxCap | TCP/20 or FTP is only if you use active transfer mode. But if you are doing that you might as well hang out a neon sign inviting script kiddies to own your box. |
| 01:31.03 | fluxCap | who's the ISP? |
| 01:32.14 | tene | fluxCap: but it's relatively likely to be open for incoming |
| 01:32.25 | tene | I'm suggesting that he use it for incoming for something other than ftp |
| 01:32.46 | findlay | neither 20 n|| 21 work |
| 01:33.10 | findlay | but bzfs started up with 6667, although bzflag couldn't come in from outside |
| 01:33.53 | findlay | fluxCap: the ISP is Manti Telephone |
| 01:34.11 | fluxCap | I think 22 is more likely to be open. It's safer, too, and you can set up your other stuff using SSH tunnels. |
| 01:34.35 | findlay | I understood it was rude/suspicious to probe for open ports |
| 01:34.54 | findlay | that would be nice |
| 01:35.10 | findlay | yeah, I can ssh out, but not in |
| 01:35.35 | findlay | can't they just block all incoming? |
| 01:36.01 | fluxCap | That bites. Have you talked to their tech-geek-person? They may be able to help you get something going. |
| 01:36.18 | fluxCap | ~hail XMission DSL |
| 01:36.21 | ibot | ACTION bows down to XMission DSL and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 01:36.44 | fluxCap | I though XMission had service in Manti? |
| 01:37.10 | findlay | I don't have a phone, guss I could email him |
| 01:38.08 | findlay | looking at the workld through windows |
| 01:38.28 | findlay | I feel bad for people who know nothing else |
| 01:38.44 | fluxCap | I'm looking at this conversation in a window, but NOT through Windows<sup>TM</sup>. |
| 01:38.54 | findlay | heh |
| 01:39.03 | fluxCap | findlay: Yeah, so do I. I see so many on airplanes, too. |
| 01:39.23 | Maquis | fluxCap: good to hear... i would be very disappointed to hear that another guru was a traitor... :) |
| 01:39.51 | goozbach | grr 2.6.10 broke alsa |
| 01:40.14 | fluxCap | well, actually, I just booted up my desktop system into WinXP. I still have this one system that dual-boots for a few games. |
| 01:40.17 | Maquis | goozbach: be careful with alsa on mandrake 10 :) |
| 01:40.26 | fluxCap | goozbach: not for me. |
| 01:40.26 | Maquis | gah!!! |
| 01:40.27 | findlay | any other ports to try? |
| 01:41.01 | findlay | ~console Maquis |
| 01:41.03 | ibot | ACTION gives Maquis the consolation moose |
| 01:41.07 | goozbach | tty13 |
| 01:41.09 | goozbach | ? |
| 01:41.31 | findlay | maybe they left one open by accident (: |
| 01:41.32 | fluxCap | If you /msg your IP address to me, I will scan you, > the output and send it back to you. |
| 01:42.02 | goozbach | ibot, console $who is <action> smashes $who with a 400lb ibm terminal |
| 01:42.04 | ibot | ACTION gives $who is <action> smashes $who with a 400lb ibm terminal the consolation moose |
| 01:42.09 | Maquis | fluxCap: wouldn't /whois give you the IP? |
| 01:42.16 | goozbach | dah |
| 01:42.47 | goozbach | Maquis: not nessarily |
| 01:43.07 | goozbach | given what both of us do, sshed into another box |
| 01:43.32 | findlay | hah, I'm connected to IRC from Madigascar! |
| 01:43.39 | Maquis | true... |
| 01:43.41 | goozbach | you aren't always working on the box from which you irc |
| 01:43.49 | fluxCap | Yeah, but I didn't want to do it without his permission. |
| 01:44.21 | findlay | fluxCap: what utility do you use? |
| 01:44.42 | Maquis | goozbach: what's wrong with it? |
| 01:44.46 | fluxCap | for IRC? or for scanning? |
| 01:44.52 | Maquis | fluxCap: how do you scan someone's ports? |
| 01:44.53 | findlay | for scanning |
| 01:45.00 | fluxCap | I'm using nmap |
| 01:45.12 | fluxCap | It's the best one, really. |
| 01:45.17 | findlay | really? |
| 01:45.24 | fluxCap | Maquis: You can just emerge nmap |
| 01:45.40 | Maquis | fluxCap: i have it... i'm looking at the man page now.. |
| 01:45.43 | fluxCap | findlay: By far, the best portscanner. |
| 01:46.48 | fluxCap | nmap is an awesome tool. Every admin should use; I guarantee you the bad guys do. |
| 01:48.39 | fluxCap | goozbach: I had a few problems with USB, VMware & PCMCIA under the 2.6.9 kernels. 2.6.10 only has one little PCMCIA problem left, for me. |
| 01:50.08 | goozbach | double w00t! amarok works now |
| 01:50.16 | goozbach | it only took an entire afternoon |
| 01:50.26 | fluxCap | Who is amarok and what is the job he does? |
| 01:51.31 | Maquis | goozbach: how do you make it work without having kde? |
| 01:51.33 | fluxCap | the new server? |
| 01:54.57 | goozbach | amarok is a media player |
| 01:54.59 | Maquis | no... |
| 01:55.03 | Maquis | amarok |
| 01:55.11 | Maquis | doesn't it depend on kde? |
| 01:55.12 | goozbach | the cause of all my headaches for the last three weeks |
| 01:55.19 | goozbach | it is a kde app |
| 01:55.32 | Maquis | how can you make it work without kde? |
| 01:55.38 | goozbach | the fedora-supplied kde rpms don't have mp3 support |
| 01:55.54 | Maquis | (and why was it important enough to spend 3 weeks on?) |
| 01:55.55 | goozbach | so I re-installed, removing all FC-kde rpms |
| 01:56.09 | Maquis | oh... and re-installed kde? |
| 01:56.22 | goozbach | then I used the kde-redhat apt repository with is non-broken |
| 01:56.38 | goozbach | I installed just the base and the libraries to run amarok |
| 01:56.51 | goozbach | I didn't install the desktop enviroment |
| 01:57.18 | Maquis | ACK! |
| 01:57.23 | fluxCap | You don't have to have all of kde, just the libs and a couple of other things in order to run kde apps. Same w/gnome |
| 01:57.39 | Maquis | this song is ok for the first 10 times you hear it in a week... but after that!!! |
| 01:57.57 | fluxCap | Maquis:not until after a SYN. |
| 01:58.08 | Maquis | fluxCap: thanks |
| 01:58.13 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:59.26 | goozbach | always has a sympethic ear |
| 02:01.06 | tene | amarok is nice |
| 02:01.31 | findlay | fluxCap: did you get any open ports? |
| 02:05.03 | goozbach | Maquis: if you do, I'll come down and steal one |
| 02:05.19 | Maquis | goozbach: you have putty? :) |
| 02:06.51 | goozbach | fozz tried to kill himself: http://fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/383 |
| 02:08.02 | goozbach | I almost wish I could have gone on tour with them |
| 02:08.17 | goozbach | it would have been worth it to see fozz do gymnastics |
| 02:08.27 | findlay | PuTTY? |
| 02:08.50 | goozbach | Maquis: no, but if you'll cook me sunday dinner I'll bring you some. |
| 02:09.15 | Maquis | no brownie... |
| 02:09.16 | goozbach | didn't you get some from the UUG meeting |
| 02:09.35 | Maquis | no... i only had one geeky shirt, so i went for the shirt instead... |
| 02:09.43 | goozbach | ahh |
| 02:09.54 | goozbach | ok so I'm leaving for real |
| 02:15.19 | findlay | anybody know where it says where to map services to ports? |
| 02:16.08 | tene | Trout: I hmm? |
| 02:16.13 | tene | you mean service identification? |
| 02:16.30 | tene | like "there's a TacoServer version 6 running on port 52" |
| 02:16.33 | tene | ? |
| 02:16.45 | findlay | the services that nmap printed out bound to specific ports |
| 02:16.55 | tene | oh |
| 02:16.56 | findlay | like mysql, but I don't even have mysql running |
| 02:17.02 | tene | check /etc/services |
| 02:17.08 | findlay | OK |
| 02:27.16 | fluxCap | findlay: The scan finished. Where do you want me to send it? |
| 02:28.12 | fluxCap | It probably finished a while ago, but I was away from the kbd. |
| 02:28.32 | findlay | yeah, I've tried a few scans myself |
| 02:35.22 | tene | unles you ask it to actually verify what's there, it just uses port numbers for service names |
| 02:35.51 | tene | either that, or your ISP is directing those ports to a win machine from that direction |
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| 03:26.40 | goozbach | ~lart best laid plans |
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| 04:31.23 | mheath | agh... |
| 04:31.36 | mheath | Slackware's defalt udev configuration has a glitch in it |
| 04:32.00 | mheath | Thought I just fixed it (It's a simple change) but apparently not...gnome-terminal won't start up |
| 04:32.02 | mheath | be right back |
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| 04:42.54 | LeviHome | So where is everyone tonight? |
| 04:46.11 | usynic | s/working/always working/ |
| 04:50.14 | mheath | Anyone know what an autoconf error like: |
| 04:50.22 | mheath | configure.ac:5: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE |
| 04:50.26 | mheath | Could possibly mean? |
| 04:50.54 | mheath | er |
| 04:50.58 | mheath | Or rather, what the cause of it would be |
| 04:51.14 | LeviHome | Hrm. |
| 04:51.41 | LeviHome | Sorry. I try to keep automake details at a distance. |
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| 05:48.44 | amcnabb | mheath: You probably don't have automake installed properly. That's a basic macro in almost every configure script. |
| 05:48.53 | amcnabb | Or maybe you don't have a Makefile.am |
| 05:48.59 | mheath | amcnabb, its installed |
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| 05:49.05 | mheath | I wasnt doing it right |
| 05:49.06 | amcnabb | properly? |
| 05:49.17 | mheath | didnt' call aclocal |
| 05:49.28 | mrpull | has anyone ever seen "MS+Search+4.0+Robot" as a user agent in WWW logs? |
| 05:49.58 | amcnabb | ok |
| 05:51.07 | LeviHome | Woo, I have scheme on my Treo now. |
| 05:51.30 | mheath | mrpull, a couple google results seem to hint that that's a search engine spider |
| 05:54.53 | mheath | Or, rather... |
| 05:55.03 | mheath | someone pretending (rather stupidly) to be a search engine spider |
| 05:55.37 | tensai | the microsoft robot goes by the name 'msnbot' |
| 05:55.57 | tensai | "msnbot/0.3 (+http://search.msn.co |
| 05:55.57 | tensai | m/msnbot.htm)" |
| 05:56.37 | tensai | it's the most abusive bot I've ever met. I blocked it in my robots.txt. |
| 05:56.54 | mheath | abusive? hwo so? |
| 05:56.56 | mheath | *how |
| 05:57.23 | tensai | generates a lot more hits than anybody else. seems to ignore change times. |
| 05:57.27 | brailsmt | it leaves profanity in the logs... |
| 05:57.32 | tensai | hold on, I'll pull up some stats... |
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| 05:57.58 | brailsmt | it is particularly brutish if you aren't running windows... |
| 05:59.41 | mrpull | cool. i'm glad I'm not the only one who has seen this. |
| 06:00.52 | mrpull | it is causing almost 50% of the traffic at one of my customer's sites right now. |
| 06:01.56 | mrpull | i cant say what site, but it is a microsoft focused site that gets a lot of traffic. |
| 06:02.34 | mrpull | that bot alone is pushing about 2 Mbps :-/ |
| 06:04.29 | tensai | so far this month msnbot has generated 14895 hits, google only 7513. bandwidth usage is similar. |
| 06:05.05 | tensai | I also noticed it started crawling my personal photo gallery shortly after my father-in-law, who uses MSN Explorer, visited it. |
| 06:05.33 | tensai | given that it's a totally unpublished url and had only been up for maybe 2 weeks, it seems that msn must be sniffing urls |
| 06:06.13 | tensai | that might be a violation of the wiretap act. I certainly wouldn't try it. well, ok I would but not as a business. |
| 06:06.22 | mrpull | but MS Search 4.0 robot is a fake right? |
| 06:06.46 | tensai | it's not the msn spider. might be a research bot. |
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| 06:26.23 | xbmodder | amcnabb, hey! sup1 |
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| 06:41.36 | mheath | Analogies You probably won't find in great literature: From the attic came an unearthly howl. The whole scene had an eerie surreal quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and "Jeopary" comes on at 7 p.m. instead of 7:30. |
| 06:48.32 | mrpull | tensai: so you blocked MS Search 4.0 Robot in your robots.txt... |
| 06:48.44 | mrpull | if it is malicious, why would it obey robots.txt |
| 06:49.47 | mrpull | ? |
| 06:58.41 | xbmodder | mrpull, thats cool |
| 07:03.47 | xbmodder | anyone? |
| 07:09.38 | xbmodder | anyone here? |
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| 07:13.58 | tene | any gentooers up? |
| 07:14.02 | tene | xbmodder: ping |
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| 07:16.52 | xbmodder | tene, yea |
| 07:16.57 | xbmodder | sorry about that |
| 07:16.59 | tene | nevermind |
| 07:17.00 | xbmodder | i was scrolling |
| 07:17.08 | xbmodder | i am gentoo user :) |
| 07:17.11 | xbmodder | tene, what? |
| 07:17.12 | tene | thought so |
| 07:17.17 | xbmodder | yeah :) |
| 07:17.23 | xbmodder | Linux served 2.6.9-gentoo-r6 #4 SMP Tue Nov 30 18:30:54 PST 2004 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 07:17.32 | tene | I was wondering where the "big directory full of download package sources" was. |
| 07:17.37 | tene | found /usr/portage/distfiles/ |
| 07:17.46 | tene | so nm |
| 07:18.05 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 07:18.07 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 07:18.15 | xbmodder | i usually make an archive |
| 07:18.21 | tene | ? |
| 07:18.24 | tene | of what? |
| 07:18.28 | xbmodder | sources |
| 07:18.30 | xbmodder | on a DVD |
| 07:18.33 | tene | ahh |
| 07:18.37 | xbmodder | not recently though |
| 07:18.38 | tene | I'm killing gentoo and installing slack |
| 07:18.47 | xbmodder | tene, why? |
| 07:18.54 | xbmodder | gentoo is superior |
| 07:19.01 | tene | lies |
| 07:19.03 | tene | also |
| 07:19.08 | xbmodder | be right back |
| 07:19.10 | tene | my gentoo is borken |
| 07:19.16 | xbmodder | whats wrong with it? |
| 07:19.16 | tene | and I'm too lazy to rebuild it |
| 07:19.22 | tene | lotsa stuff |
| 07:19.29 | tene | one of them being that it was compiled with bad ram |
| 07:19.33 | tene | so is unstable |
| 07:20.10 | xbmodder | reinstall? |
| 07:20.17 | xbmodder | it takes like a couple hours max |
| 07:20.29 | tene | for a full reinstall? |
| 07:20.35 | tene | oh, stage3 maybe |
| 07:21.30 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 07:21.41 | xbmodder | stage3 takes about half an hour |
| 07:21.49 | xbmodder | stage1 took me 8 hours |
| 07:21.50 | xbmodder | :) |
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| 09:04.02 | xbmodder | ? |
| 09:56.32 | xbmodder | ? |
| 09:56.35 | xbmodder | !!! |
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| 17:45.40 | levi-treo | Morning. |
| 17:46.07 | hans | yes |
| 17:46.12 | hans | ~mourn kjq |
| 17:46.58 | levi-treo | I discovered its passing yesterday. :( |
| 17:47.54 | levi-treo | Turned on the radio to 103.1. U2 was on, so I didn't suspect anything. |
| 17:48.08 | hans | I'm going to listen to the new one for a few hours, write down who advertises, and let them know the stupidity |
| 17:48.34 | hans | then i'm going to write 107.5 and their advertisers and tell them they've got our confidence by default and not to screw up. |
| 17:49.26 | levi-treo | But then I heard 'JackFM' and the eagles started playing, so I ran to the computer to investigate. |
| 17:50.30 | levi-treo | I like 107.5 except for the fact that they don't play music in the morning. |
| 17:51.07 | levi-treo | Now I'll have nothing but classic rock to listen to in the morning. |
| 17:51.09 | hans | i liked the combo of kjq and end because usually something good was on between the two of them |
| 17:52.01 | hans | in less-depressing-news, apparently Marie and Friends was nuked too. My wife likes Bee, but neither of us was fond of Marie, so that's nice |
| 17:52.14 | hans | well, not nuked, Marie quit |
| 17:52.24 | levi-treo | KJQ was going a bit downhill from their initial reentry, but they were still better than most others. |
| 17:53.43 | hans | |addlart forces <who> to listen to JackFM |
| 17:54.28 | levi-treo | I don't know if my wife even listens to the radio at all. |
| 17:55.18 | levi-treo | BTW, I got a scheme interpreter on my treo. :) |
| 17:55.58 | levi-treo | Now I just need to figure out how to get SICP on here. |
| 17:56.34 | hans | :) |
| 17:57.47 | levi-treo | I pulled out my Essentials of Programming Languages textbook again and started reading it. |
| 17:58.14 | goozbach | "the internet means never forgeting what high school was like" -- scott kurtz |
| 17:58.16 | levi-treo | DrScheme has a language mode specifically for it now, too. |
| 18:04.02 | levi-treo | ack, a baby just spit on me. |
| 18:08.55 | levi-treo | Hrm, upirc only supports 2 channels. |
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| 18:11.00 | levi-treo | You guys are too quiet. |
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| 20:00.48 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 20:08.02 | xbmodder | i need some lock picking advice again |
| 20:12.53 | LeviHome | my advice: don't pick locks. |
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| 20:14.02 | findlay | *: Can someone please tell me the zip code for Provo? |
| 20:14.16 | emcnabb | which one? |
| 20:14.36 | findlay | the one probably of carriage cove |
| 20:14.48 | findlay | it's probably the same as brentwood |
| 20:14.51 | emcnabb | http://www.addresses.com/zip_codes_by_city/36930.html |
| 20:15.54 | findlay | thanks |
| 20:16.15 | findlay | 84604 |
| 20:17.39 | xbmodder | LeviHome, ok, i have a masterlock with a keyhole on the back... how hard is it going to be to pick that keyhole with home made lock supplies |
| 20:17.58 | xbmodder | s/lock supplies/lock picks |
| 20:18.07 | LeviHome | Don't ask me. |
| 20:18.23 | LeviHome | I follow my advice. :) |
| 20:18.30 | mheath | xbmodder, master locks are extremely difficult for a novice to pick |
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| 20:18.50 | mheath | If it's your lock and you lost the key, you can cut the lock with the right tools |
| 20:19.02 | mheath | If it's someone elses lock, you shouldn't be messing with it |
| 20:19.22 | xbmodder | mheath, masterlocks just take me a long time to pick |
| 20:19.39 | LeviHome | xbmodder: If you're still trying to impress a girl, you're going about it the wrong way. |
| 20:19.46 | xbmodder | i don't wanna drill the lock.... thats too messy... (the equipment for that is 1000+) |
| 20:19.57 | xbmodder | LeviHome, no i screwed that up too much |
| 20:20.20 | emcnabb | even by having lockpicking tools you can get in trouble |
| 20:20.25 | mheath | xbmodder, 1000+? You can do it with a generic drill and a diamond tipped bit.... |
| 20:20.29 | xbmodder | emcnabb, not in paradise :) |
| 20:20.31 | mheath | Or, just use a bolt cutter. |
| 20:20.33 | emcnabb | you'll automatically be a suspect |
| 20:20.40 | xbmodder | mheath, really? |
| 20:20.52 | LeviHome | Bolt cutters cut locks quite well. |
| 20:21.14 | LeviHome | Most locks are not that hard to brute-force open. The wonder of levers. :) |
| 20:21.15 | mheath | xbmodder, bolt cutters are cheap, and your likely to have a neighbor who owns one |
| 20:21.51 | LeviHome | You can often open U-locks with car jacks. Or so I've heard, at least. |
| 20:22.11 | xbmodder | any non-destructive ways you can think of? |
| 20:22.39 | mheath | Why? |
| 20:22.58 | mheath | xbmodder, either 1) It's your lock and you lost the key, so the lock doesn't do any good to you undamaged |
| 20:23.09 | xbmodder | i don't really wanna waste the lock... it is not hooked up to anything |
| 20:23.25 | xbmodder | should i throw it away> |
| 20:23.26 | xbmodder | ? |
| 20:23.41 | mheath | or 2) It's someone elses lock that your trying to break into, in which case I (and I hope no one else) will helpy ou |
| 20:23.54 | xbmodder | mheath, option 1 |
| 20:24.23 | Maquis | s/will/will not ??? |
| 20:24.41 | LeviHome | If you don't have the key, it's already pretty worthless, eh? |
| 20:24.53 | mheath | Maquis, er, correct. Just notticed that :D |
| 20:25.36 | xbmodder | LeviHome, a challenge :) so these locks are supposed to be really hard to pick |
| 20:25.58 | Maquis | much less date |
| 20:26.23 | mheath | xbmodder, yes. Being hard to open is the general idea of a lock, see. |
| 20:26.43 | xbmodder | Maquis, only a few girls know i am scary/creepy/a little whacked out/ |
| 20:26.51 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Well, if you really want to pick it, go for it. But don't expect to find a lot of help here. I think you could find more useful challenges, though. |
| 20:27.32 | xbmodder | LeviHome, why are master locks so hard (by the way: this is a combonation lock) |
| 20:28.00 | Maquis | xbmodder: you seem to be trying to change that though... |
| 20:28.17 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Because for locks, hard = better. |
| 20:28.17 | emcnabb | well, off to the airport |
| 20:28.18 | xbmodder | Maquis, what do you mean? |
| 20:28.19 | mheath | Maquis, am I a scary creep? :D |
| 20:28.23 | xbmodder | emcnabb, bye? |
| 20:28.32 | emcnabb | yup |
| 20:28.53 | LeviHome | mheath: I think she's referring to xbmodder's idea of breaking into a girl's locker to leave her gifts. |
| 20:29.09 | mheath | Agh! |
| 20:29.15 | mheath | I wasn't aware of this idea |
| 20:29.35 | Maquis | xbmodder: breaking into girls locker rooms is something that will make any girl think you're a creep |
| 20:29.36 | xbmodder | LeviHome, i am trying to get that combo with social engineering |
| 20:29.43 | Maquis | and the word will get around very quickly that you did that... |
| 20:29.50 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Even worse! |
| 20:30.10 | xbmodder | LeviHome, :-/ |
| 20:30.32 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Girls do not like their private spaces invaded. |
| 20:30.33 | xbmodder | you made it sound worse than it is.... |
| 20:30.34 | mheath | "Social Engineering". That's some term losers invented to pretend like they're learning by screwing people over. |
| 20:31.00 | Maquis | if you ever manage to get a girl to go out on a date with you after pulling off this prank, i would be extremely surprised... and i would consider the girl's judgement to be extremely lacking |
| 20:31.24 | xbmodder | i asked some girls about this.... they said it was 'sweet' |
| 20:31.49 | LeviHome | xbmodder: It can work if you get one of her trusted friends to do the actual hiding of stuff for you. |
| 20:31.54 | Maquis | those girls are apparently very lacking in judgement... |
| 20:32.00 | LeviHome | xbmodder: But you shouldn't have her combo. |
| 20:32.07 | Maquis | i agree with LeviHome... |
| 20:32.14 | mheath | xbmodder, did you tell these girls "I'm going to put a present in this girls locker"? |
| 20:32.26 | mheath | Because that implies you'll ask the girls locker partner to stick it in there or something |
| 20:32.34 | xbmodder | mheath, baloons... btw: it is the girls bday |
| 20:32.47 | xbmodder | locker partner? |
| 20:32.58 | mheath | Not that you're trying to trick someone into giving you the locker com so you can forcibly enter into it and hide a surpirse in it? |
| 20:33.16 | mheath | xbmodder, a lot of schools have people share lockers |
| 20:33.21 | Maquis | if you can get a friend of hers to stick the stuff in her locker, then it's ok... but if you actually were to go in and do it yourself, it's creepy, illegal, wrong, insensitive, and something that only an utter jerk would do |
| 20:33.28 | xbmodder | nope... another one of my friends is helping out.... he knows someone who can get in and ot |
| 20:34.04 | xbmodder | Maquis, so figure it out... and take no credit? |
| 20:35.01 | Maquis | putting it in the locker is perhaps not the best solution |
| 20:35.17 | xbmodder | most of her friends say its 'sweet' i thought 'sweet' was good... |
| 20:35.52 | Maquis | you need the friend's involvement to be very obvious because you want her to know that it was your idea, but at the same time, you want to make it abundantly clear that you did not do the actual act |
| 20:36.00 | Maquis | xbmodder: it depends on how you presented it to them... |
| 20:36.35 | xbmodder | the only thing i am doing is coordinating this thing.... and gettin' locker combos |
| 20:36.57 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Well, I still think it's a bad idea for you to know her locker combo without her telling you. |
| 20:36.57 | Maquis | is it a guy getting into the locker? |
| 20:37.07 | xbmodder | Maquis, nope |
| 20:37.43 | Maquis | if i found out that a guy had my locker combo without me telling him, i would be very upset at the guy, and at every person that had my locker combo... |
| 20:37.51 | Maquis | it's stupid, and a major invasion of privacy |
| 20:38.22 | Maquis | in high school, i had the locker combo of my best friend, and she had mine... but neither of us would have ever ever ever ever considered giving the other's combo to a guy... |
| 20:38.25 | xbmodder | Maquis, "Hey (person name), well i am going to do this for (locker owner) i am getting the combonation of her locker (at this point eww) then i am going to get a girl to go into the locker room before school to put ballons and chocolate in it" |
| 20:38.54 | xbmodder | FOR HER BIRTHDAY! |
| 20:39.18 | Maquis | aside from the getting the combination, it doesn't sound that bad... but i'd say to just find someone who knows the combo, and have her put the stuff in... |
| 20:39.23 | Maquis | don't get the combo yourself |
| 20:39.34 | Maquis | anyway... |
| 20:39.40 | Maquis | that's all i have to say on it |
| 20:39.43 | mheath | xbmodder, wait..... |
| 20:39.50 | mheath | Why are you doing this to her gym locker? |
| 20:40.00 | xbmodder | cuz she has no other locker |
| 20:40.01 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 20:40.15 | xbmodder | Maquis, who else to get the combo |
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| 20:42.18 | xbmodder | so? |
| 20:42.31 | xbmodder | Maquis, none of her friends know her combo |
| 20:42.41 | Maquis | xbmodder: then how are you going to get it? |
| 20:43.00 | xbmodder | i thought i was not aloud to get it :-/ |
| 20:43.27 | Maquis | then how are you going to get the locker open? |
| 20:43.31 | Maquis | and get the stuff in |
| 20:43.35 | Maquis | ? |
| 20:43.49 | xbmodder | you said "<Maquis> don't get the combo yourself" |
| 20:44.11 | xbmodder | everyone else thinks the combo spins too fast |
| 20:46.42 | xbmodder | please? |
| 20:47.25 | xbmodder | please*100 |
| 20:51.25 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Are there air vents you could slide a note into? |
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| 21:04.28 | mheath | Agh, I can't figure out what I just changed |
| 21:04.45 | mheath | Had Gnome set up so the Volume and Mute buttons on my keyboard worked |
| 21:05.04 | mheath | Then I made some unrelated changes, logged out, and logged back in...now now they don't work |
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| 21:36.13 | sjansen-treo | so I'm going through my computer stuff and I find a bag filled with cd's for the software that came with it |
| 21:37.36 | sjansen-treo | the bag has a very helpful graphical warning that appears to mean 'don't place bag of head and choke self with hands' |
| 21:38.06 | tene | hehe |
| 21:38.52 | sjansen-treo | I would like to thank HP for their concern. Although I'm somewhat disturbed by their opinion of their customers' intelligence level. |
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| 22:20.36 | mheath | There we go. |
| 22:21.15 | mheath | I don't know what I did differently, but it works now |
| 22:22.54 | tene | sweet |
| 22:27.21 | LeviHome | Hrm. I want a fixed-width font for my palm. |
| 22:31.36 | LeviHome | For my PalmOS device. |
| 22:32.38 | tene | hehe |
| 22:33.17 | mheath | Mmm. I love my Linux deskotp. |
| 22:33.20 | mheath | *desktop |
| 22:33.39 | mheath | Soon, I'm going to work on a voice control system for it |
| 22:37.31 | mheath | I already worked on the framework for that a while back |
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| 23:29.28 | emcnabb-treo | I made first class |
| 23:36.16 | LeviHome | How'd you manage that? |
| 23:37.11 | emcnabb-treo | I'm silver medallion |
| 23:37.32 | emcnabb-treo | I get free upgrades if seats are available |
| 23:37.32 | LeviHome | Ah, nice. |
| 23:37.56 | LeviHome | Hey, do you happen to know of a text editor for the PalmOS that has fixed-width fonts? |
| 23:38.36 | emcnabb-treo | hum, i'm not sure |
| 23:38.54 | emcnabb-treo | i'm still a palm newbie |
| 23:39.23 | emcnabb-treo | well, time to take off |
| 23:39.26 | emcnabb-treo | later |
| 23:39.29 | LeviHome | Seeya. |
| 23:39.31 | LeviHome | Have a nice flight. |
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