| 00:00.11 | levi | I'm tempted to start spending the extra $10. 256 is slow. |
| 00:00.30 | tensai | 256 is way too slow. I have 1.5/1.0 and love it. |
| 00:00.42 | hans | it's not bad for irc/IM/basic web |
| 00:00.52 | hans | it's only when you go to download stuff or stream things that you notice. |
| 00:01.12 | uE|bdogg | you could get comcast and get 4Mbps/876kbps, but then you have to spend a lot of money, sign over all your rights and priviledges, and pay duty to comcast gods for the rest of eternity |
| 00:01.25 | hans | yeah, not worth it |
| 00:01.33 | tensai | ~lart cable |
| 00:01.38 | levi | If I ever decide to get cable TV, I might switch to cable internet as well. |
| 00:01.49 | uE|bdogg | that's why we do it |
| 00:01.54 | uE|bdogg | still expensive! |
| 00:02.05 | uE|bdogg | but hey...it's a really really really fast download |
| 00:02.18 | levi | I could actually think about downloading ISOs again. |
| 00:02.24 | uE|bdogg | cept customer service is a term that comcast does not and probably WILL not ever understand |
| 00:02.37 | hans | i could never stand comcast's TOS |
| 00:02.39 | macnewbold | comcast is giving 876K up now? |
| 00:02.50 | tensai | they just upgraded recently, yes |
| 00:03.11 | levi | It took them ages to realize how many IPs they were giving me. Several years under two different accounts. |
| 00:03.15 | tensai | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/1219252 |
| 00:03.38 | levi | I finally got a notice, and I stuck everything behind a roommate's router. |
| 00:03.44 | tensai | I cancelled my cable internet last April. every month they send me a bill for $0.00 |
| 00:04.09 | levi | I then got married and moved, and got slow DSL out of a desire to be frugal. |
| 00:05.00 | levi | Of course, my wife never looks at the bills, so she'd never notice if I upgraded. :) |
| 00:05.31 | Maquis | ~lart levi |
| 00:06.10 | levi | Well, I'd probably only do so if I canceled netflix. Then I'd be saving money! |
| 00:06.50 | levi | I never get around to watching my netflix movies because they're always weird things that my wife isn't interested in and I only have a medium desire to watch. |
| 00:07.30 | levi | And she's always checking out a ton of movies from the library, so when I've got the time I don't feel like watching more movies. |
| 00:07.48 | hans | hmm. I'm having a hard time reading mm/dd/yy dates recently. I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing |
| 00:08.44 | beandog | I might get DSL again, but the thought of having Qwest again horrifies me. |
| 00:09.24 | beandog | plus then my cable tv would cost more |
| 00:10.15 | hans | qwest hasn't been too hard on me |
| 00:11.24 | levi | DSL makes more sense when you don't have cable. |
| 00:13.19 | hans | and dish makes more sense when you have dsl |
| 00:13.25 | hans | as was my case. dsl came first |
| 00:13.34 | JoshH | the only good thing about comcast is fast downloads |
| 00:13.37 | JoshH | everything else sucks |
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| 00:14.45 | beandog | Qwest took $150 from me as a 'deposit', promised it back in 2 months, and I got it over a year later. |
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| 00:15.27 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 00:15.33 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:15.54 | Maquis | short visit... |
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| 00:16.22 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:16.32 | Maquis | that was a short visit a few seconds ago |
| 00:16.36 | SpecialK | ~Maquis |
| 00:16.37 | ibot | well, maquis is Maquis |
| 00:16.46 | Maquis | ibot is profound... |
| 00:17.10 | SpecialK | ~Maquis is also Lart Happy |
| 00:17.11 | ibot | okay, SpecialK |
| 00:17.20 | Maquis | i want to send a special thanks to whoever told brigham who i am... :) |
| 00:17.23 | Maquis | |maquis? |
| 00:17.24 | SpecialK | ~Maquis |
| 00:17.25 | ibot | maquis is probably Maquis. Lart Happy |
| 00:17.25 | brigham | maquis is a budding Linux wizard facing distinct challenges on the path to becoming a grey beard. |
| 00:17.48 | hans | did dave just say what I think he said? |
| 00:17.53 | SpecialK | that came out funny |
| 00:17.59 | Maquis | brigham: SpecialK is lart happy |
| 00:17.59 | brigham | but SpecialK is a cereal or good for you. |
| 00:18.06 | Maquis | brigham: SpecialK is also lart happy |
| 00:18.07 | brigham | alright |
| 00:18.21 | SpecialK | yeah, SpecialK is good for you |
| 00:18.22 | Maquis | 'specialk |
| 00:18.22 | brigham | specialk is a cereal or good for you. or lart happy |
| 00:19.15 | levi | I, for one, hope that Maquis never actually grows a grey beard. |
| 00:19.36 | Maquis | levi: i'm with you on that.... but achieving the level of 'grey beard' in the wizard community would be ok :) |
| 00:19.57 | levi | Depends on which wizard community. :) |
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| 00:26.04 | levi | Anyway, time to go spin. |
| 00:32.25 | SpecialK | Makes me think of a cheap santa suit. |
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| 00:50.24 | mheath | Anyone here have much experiance with Apache? |
| 00:51.11 | mheath | mod_userdir makes it so http://www.site.com/~username/ points to /home/username/public_html |
| 00:51.32 | mheath | I was just wondering if there was a way to do something similar with cgi-bin |
| 00:58.28 | mheath | Nevermind, I think.. |
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| 01:08.22 | sjansen | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/you_are_an_idiot.swf |
| 01:10.07 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 01:10.19 | sjansen | Maquis: !!! |
| 01:13.48 | Maquis | sjansen: check your email :) |
| 01:14.15 | sjansen | cool, will check it out later |
| 01:14.56 | Maquis | meh |
| 01:15.22 | sjansen | By the power of make, I have the #utah logs! |
| 01:15.33 | Maquis | ????? |
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| 01:15.44 | xbmodder_lappy | kyro |
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| 01:18.02 | Kyro | sup fellaz |
| 01:18.10 | xbmodder_lappy | sup Kyro |
| 01:18.15 | xbmodder_lappy | its me xbmodder |
| 01:18.25 | xbmodder_lappy | everyone here is utahnian |
| 01:19.04 | xbmodder_lappy | hey everyone this is my uhhh... slave..... 'friend' kevin |
| 01:20.44 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, "/msg kyro die" |
| 01:20.57 | xbmodder_lappy | to open a dialog box '/dialog Kyro' |
| 01:22.40 | levi | mheath: You awake atm? |
| 01:23.08 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, yes |
| 01:23.17 | xbmodder_lappy | i said it in the room Kyro |
| 01:23.26 | xbmodder_lappy | puppi? |
| 01:23.28 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf? |
| 01:23.28 | brigham | wtf is EUI? |
| 01:24.38 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:24.39 | Kyro | k |
| 01:24.41 | Kyro | im here |
| 01:24.50 | xbmodder_lappy | god Kyro you can be stupid |
| 01:25.06 | sjansen | xbmodder goodness you can be blasphemous |
| 01:25.06 | Kyro | ya |
| 01:25.08 | Kyro | i no |
| 01:25.08 | sjansen | and rude |
| 01:25.14 | Kyro | yes |
| 01:25.16 | Kyro | thank u |
| 01:25.18 | Kyro | agreed |
| 01:25.18 | xbmodder_lappy | hahhaa |
| 01:25.19 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 01:25.24 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Kyro |
| 01:25.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Kyro |
| 01:25.31 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 01:25.37 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:26.25 | xbmodder_lappy | any lock pickers here? |
| 01:26.35 | xbmodder_lappy | gotta impress a chick |
| 01:26.47 | xbmodder_lappy | sorta-ish |
| 01:26.48 | Kyro | LOL |
| 01:27.03 | Kyro | u gonna impress a chick by pickin a lock? |
| 01:27.06 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:27.08 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, well i was gunna sneak into the girls locker room b4 school.... |
| 01:27.21 | xbmodder_lappy | and plant something in her locker each day |
| 01:27.26 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:27.29 | xbmodder_lappy | like a box of chocalate |
| 01:27.30 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 01:27.33 | SpecialK | I think y'all could carry on your private conversation in a /msg format. |
| 01:27.42 | xbmodder_lappy | there are some lock pickers here |
| 01:27.42 | Kyro | would this chick's name start with a H and end with a Y? |
| 01:27.48 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 01:28.34 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialK, no |
| 01:29.26 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: sound like a good way to creep her out |
| 01:29.46 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.fortliberty.org/military-library/picking-master-locks.shtml |
| 01:29.57 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, hahaha yeah might be a side affect |
| 01:30.17 | Kyro | exactly |
| 01:30.35 | Kyro | people will think that you stalk for the pleasure of it |
| 01:30.53 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, like a box of chocalote -your lover (the day in binary) |
| 01:31.39 | xbmodder_lappy | the first time i do it a box o' chocalate for you -your lover 00000001 |
| 01:32.08 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialK, i'm trying to teach Kyro how to use IRC |
| 01:32.21 | xbmodder_lappy | excuse him for being an idiot |
| 01:32.27 | Kyro | err |
| 01:32.31 | Kyro | once again |
| 01:32.33 | Kyro | totally rudfe |
| 01:32.34 | sjansen | but not you xbmodder_lappy? |
| 01:32.50 | xbmodder_lappy | w00ty... |
| 01:33.26 | xbmodder_lappy | be right back |
| 01:33.50 | SpecialK | that's fine, but please teach using decent spelling, limited acronyms, and polite language. |
| 01:35.06 | SpecialK | Which includes no profanity. I'd reccomend reading the freenode FAQ which asks visitors to the room to respect the temperature and climate of a channel. |
| 01:35.07 | Kyro | well said SpecialK, wells aid |
| 01:35.19 | Kyro | well said* |
| 01:36.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ok! I am so sorry. I know. I do hang out in this room. I love you guys. The last thing i wanna do is get kicked out... |
| 01:36.27 | Kyro | I'm wondering why there's a lot of people here and yet only 3-4 of us are actually talking |
| 01:36.36 | SpecialK | Which doesn't mean you can't have any fun. It just means respecting the time and sensibilities of other members. |
| 01:36.44 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, there college students |
| 01:36.52 | Kyro | og |
| 01:36.53 | xbmodder_lappy | go to BYU... well most of them |
| 01:36.54 | Kyro | oh* |
| 01:36.56 | fluxCap | Some of us are working and only get to read once in a while :) |
| 01:37.01 | sjansen | Or have jobs. |
| 01:37.04 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 01:37.13 | Kyro | college eh? |
| 01:37.20 | Kyro | is it fun? |
| 01:37.20 | SpecialK | I'd say the majority of people here don't go to BYU. |
| 01:37.32 | sjansen | And some don't even live in Utah. |
| 01:37.41 | Kyro | is it fun SpecialK? |
| 01:37.43 | xbmodder_lappy | most people here do |
| 01:37.50 | sjansen | The major tie that bonds is Linux. |
| 01:37.51 | Kyro | or whoever wants to answer my question |
| 01:37.54 | sjansen | ~hail Linux |
| 01:37.56 | ibot | ACTION bows down to Linux and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 01:37.59 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, why don't we invite them to AVId |
| 01:38.05 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:38.23 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone wanna come to california to speak at our class... |
| 01:38.31 | Kyro | oh yeah |
| 01:38.50 | fluxCap | maybe most of the college students in here go to BYU, but this channel is for LUG members in Utah, so there are lots of non-college students (or not currentlly in college) here, too. |
| 01:39.19 | Kyro | hey guys, we're in a class called AVID and we're supposed to ask around if people from other colleges want to come talk to us about college and stuff. |
| 01:39.27 | Kyro | any takers? |
| 01:39.55 | sjansen | Kyro: You paying travel expenses? |
| 01:40.09 | Kyro | :D |
| 01:40.11 | Kyro | nope |
| 01:40.13 | Kyro | sorry |
| 01:40.15 | Kyro | nevermind |
| 01:40.18 | Kyro | good point |
| 01:40.42 | SpecialK | If my parents still lived near SF I'd consider it. |
| 01:40.59 | Kyro | well thanks anyway guys |
| 01:41.02 | Kyro | oh |
| 01:41.03 | Kyro | nice |
| 01:41.06 | Kyro | congrats |
| 01:41.12 | bucky | who at byu wrote the program that put the dead sea scroll fragments together? |
| 01:41.38 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, stop flooding! |
| 01:41.57 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialK, congrats |
| 01:41.59 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 01:42.35 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialK, is like the mature one here |
| 01:42.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, she is the cool one :) |
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| 01:44.00 | sjansen | ~congratulate Kyro |
| 01:44.02 | ibot | ACTION congratulates Kyro on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 01:44.03 | xbmodder_lappy | bbiaf |
| 01:44.41 | Kyro | anybody here know German? or Russian? |
| 01:45.05 | sjansen | I once ate a bratwurst. |
| 01:45.14 | Kyro | lol |
| 01:45.22 | Kyro | that doesnt count :D |
| 01:47.25 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 01:47.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 01:49.29 | xbmodder_lappy | hmmm |
| 01:49.37 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here have any old master locks |
| 01:49.46 | xbmodder_lappy | the one with a universal opener on the back |
| 01:51.42 | Kyro | even if they do, how are you gonna get it from them? |
| 01:51.49 | xbmodder_lappy | get what from them |
| 01:51.59 | Kyro | <xbmodder_lappy> anyone here have any old master locks |
| 01:52.04 | xbmodder_lappy | ask them to open it... see if it worth trying |
| 01:52.44 | Kyro | brb guys |
| 01:54.03 | xbmodder_lappy | do |
| 01:55.25 | xbmodder_lappy | stupid benford.freenode.net |
| 01:55.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 02:00.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Kyro, you there? |
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| 02:02.06 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, yes! the netsplit is gone! |
| 02:02.58 | Kyro | ya |
| 02:03.03 | Kyro | hold on a second guys |
| 02:03.04 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 02:03.19 | xbmodder_lappy | w00ty?! |
| 02:04.10 | xbmodder_lappy | .funtasia == fun |
| 02:04.31 | xbmodder_lappy | db |
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| 02:04.49 | xbmodder_lappy | did you notic db is bd backwards |
| 02:04.58 | xbmodder_lappy | d is b's reflection |
| 02:05.02 | xbmodder_lappy | and vice versa |
| 02:05.23 | Kyro | lol |
| 02:05.32 | Kyro | xbmodder, are you on crack? |
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| 02:19.00 | findlay | Sorry I'm late. Did I miss anything? |
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| 02:28.35 | sjansen | Oh yeah, glad I bought that Queen CD. |
| 02:28.55 | sjansen | Just finished listening to "We Are the Champions". |
| 02:29.14 | sjansen | Now it's time to listen to "Another [Bug] Bites the Dust". |
| 02:33.46 | sjansen | Another one bites the dust! Hey! Hey! Another one bites the dust! |
| 02:37.36 | findlay | Overtüren |
| 02:39.05 | findlay | Berliner Philharmoniker/Herbert von Karajan |
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| 02:59.42 | fluxCap | sjansen: are you on your Treo? |
| 02:59.59 | sjansen | no, decided to hope back on quickly |
| 03:00.14 | goozbach | stupid american idol |
| 03:00.33 | goozbach | glad I decided to go eat from 8-10 |
| 03:01.00 | fluxCap | goozbach: lol. My wife called about an hour ago and asked me how to get the VCR to tape it for her. :) |
| 03:01.44 | goozbach | cheesecake factory! |
| 03:01.48 | goozbach | w00t! |
| 03:02.09 | fluxCap | Doh! |
| 03:09.25 | fluxCap | I think we need an IRC server here. |
| 03:17.55 | findlay | my roomates are watching american idol |
| 03:18.32 | findlay | it's highly preturbing when you are trying to enjoy high fidelity bzflag in stereo |
| 03:18.42 | findlay | or doing homework maybe |
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| 03:19.31 | tensai | |lart hans |
| 03:22.37 | mheath | nana se en should be 8,000 yen, correct? |
| 03:24.19 | mheath | *sen |
| 03:24.45 | mheath | Oh, nevermind. I'm an idiot.. |
| 03:25.30 | mheath | For some reason I've been getting Nana and Hachi mixed up |
| 03:29.34 | LeviHome | mheath: There you are. |
| 03:30.02 | LeviHome | mheath: Still here? |
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| 03:38.08 | mheath | Now I am. |
| 03:38.13 | LeviHome | Ahh. |
| 03:38.20 | mheath | Need something? |
| 03:38.34 | LeviHome | I think you will find this interesting: http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ |
| 03:39.01 | LeviHome | It's a framework for doing OS-level programming in Common Lisp. |
| 03:39.20 | mheath | I'll look at it some time |
| 03:39.37 | mheath | Right now, I'm stuck on the console on my soon-to-be server trying to get courier running |
| 03:39.49 | mheath | I'm considering going with Gentoo. |
| 03:40.20 | mheath | Be back in a few minutes |
| 03:40.21 | LeviHome | It's got two parts, a runtime system and a cross-compiler. The cross-compiler is implemented in portable Common Lisp, and the runtime supports a growing subset of Common Lisp. |
| 03:40.28 | findlay | Every distro's got it's advantages. |
| 03:40.38 | findlay | Why gentoo? |
| 03:40.48 | LeviHome | I'm not sure what the real advantage of gentoo is, but if you want to, go for it. |
| 03:46.54 | LeviHome | Hmm, is it just me, or are things shaking? |
| 03:47.09 | Maquis | LeviHome: i don't feel anything... |
| 03:47.34 | Maquis | but then again, i completely missed a 5.6 back home one time... |
| 03:47.43 | LeviHome | I didn't feel much, but the TV antennas and dangling cables are still oscillating. |
| 03:48.00 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 03:53.19 | findlay | that's it |
| 03:53.24 | findlay | the Millenium is here |
| 03:53.38 | findlay | Does this mean I don't need to finish my homework? |
| 03:54.10 | tensai | mheath: I run courier. let me know if you have questions. |
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| 04:28.38 | mheath | tensai: nah, I'm just running into a bunch of silly problems with Slackware having weird paths and not having all the deps |
| 04:28.45 | mheath | I think I might switch to Gentoo |
| 04:29.10 | mheath | Be right back |
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| 04:41.37 | mheath | I'm really starting to dislike Gentoo, though |
| 04:42.15 | mheath | It's great, but they make a big deal of "Customize your system however you want with the USE variable!" and then things break with certain seemingly valid USE settings |
| 04:43.16 | mheath | I dunno. I'm going to give it one more go with my server |
| 04:43.40 | LeviHome | So you are left choosing a number of predetermined "normal" options and you still have to compile everything. |
| 04:43.53 | LeviHome | Why not give x86 Debian a try? ;) |
| 04:44.56 | mheath | Nah. |
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| 04:45.57 | LeviHome | You may hate it, but at least it works. |
| 04:46.38 | mheath | Gentoo works under most situations |
| 04:46.42 | mheath | Except the really weird ones. |
| 04:46.51 | mheath | And I mean the *really* weird situations |
| 04:47.00 | LeviHome | If you were running Debian on your server, you'd have courier installed already. |
| 04:47.30 | mheath | I had courier installed on Slackware. Took me about 2 minutes to install a package. |
| 04:47.37 | mheath | Thats not what I'm looking for. |
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| 05:26.01 | findlay | ~lart SpecialK |
| 05:26.03 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 05:26.13 | SpecialK | |lart findlay |
| 05:26.23 | findlay | haha |
| 05:26.41 | SpecialK | on? |
| 05:26.51 | findlay | ~lart SpecialK |
| 05:27.31 | findlay | that's it |
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| 05:29.49 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all |
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| 06:02.44 | xbmodder | i can't believe i asked a girl out on my website |
| 06:02.44 | xbmodder | :( |
| 06:02.56 | xbmodder | she sadly said no... i shoot myself |
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| 06:48.23 | LeviHome | xbmodder: That may not be the best way of going about it. |
| 06:50.19 | xbmodder | LeviHome, i know |
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| 06:50.30 | xbmodder | but i wish i was cmdr_taco |
| 06:50.32 | xbmodder | emcnabb, sup |
| 06:50.48 | xbmodder | cmdr_taco is lucky... |
| 06:50.49 | LeviHome | cmdr_taco is probably not a great role model, either. |
| 06:50.57 | xbmodder | why not? |
| 06:51.04 | xbmodder | he proposed on /. |
| 06:52.20 | LeviHome | I proposed in person. It's much better that way. |
| 06:52.31 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 06:52.40 | xbmodder | i am not gunna propose on my website |
| 06:52.45 | xbmodder | but it is easier |
| 06:52.54 | xbmodder | cuz i get really badly locked up |
| 06:54.15 | findlay | what's all this about propositions? |
| 06:54.19 | findlay | eh? |
| 06:54.32 | findlay | what's up? Are you talking in code? |
| 06:55.29 | xbmodder | rm -rf findlay |
| 06:56.01 | LeviHome | xbmodder: I did too, but it's really better to deal with that than to try to do it some easier way. |
| 06:56.34 | findlay | cd ~xbmodder && make clean distclean extremelyclean nothingisleftclean |
| 07:14.09 | xbmodder | findlay, hahaha! |
| 07:14.35 | xbmodder | find -c shred --remove {{ |
| 07:14.36 | xbmodder | find -c shred --remove {} |
| 07:15.39 | findlay | cd ~xbmodder && make eventhedotfilesaregoneclean |
| 07:16.50 | findlay | cd ~xbmodder && find -o shred -fuvxz |
| 07:17.38 | findlay | mount -t none /dev/null /mnt/gone cd ~xbmodder && mv . /mnt/gone |
| 07:17.46 | findlay | mount -t none /dev/null /mnt/gone && cd ~xbmodder && mv . /mnt/gone |
| 07:19.52 | xbmodder | ouch... |
| 07:21.58 | findlay | find -o shred --frappé --liquify --groppespchuliquelifiqué |
| 07:22.52 | xbmodder | hahaha |
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| 07:29.02 | findlay | ~irc |
| 07:29.04 | ibot | from memory, irc is Internet Relay Chat or help can be found here http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/altircfaq.html, or where emcnabb something and stuff |
| 07:36.08 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 07:36.21 | findlay | nothing, yea |
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| 14:21.28 | hans | morn |
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| 14:34.33 | Maquis | mornin hans |
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| 15:25.30 | hans | zowie. gotta watch that low-quality lighting |
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| 16:03.34 | levi | Good morning, folks. |
| 16:10.40 | tensai | ~say hello to levi |
| 16:10.42 | ibot | hello to levi |
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| 16:13.25 | levi | Sure, make your flunky do it for you. |
| 16:13.31 | levi | How rude. |
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| 16:27.01 | Jayce^ | It's been scientifically proven that the only thing to retain its intrinsic comedy value is flatulence. It's always a gas. |
| 16:29.37 | goozbach | b00b! |
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| 16:32.52 | JoshH | Jayce^: well, sometimes its a liquid. |
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| 16:44.23 | goozbach | ya no voy a poder hablar en ingles |
| 16:44.50 | Maquis | porque no vas a hablar en ingles? |
| 16:45.04 | hans | porque es spic |
| 16:45.24 | goozbach | es la presencia cubana aqui |
| 16:45.29 | Maquis | ah... |
| 16:45.38 | Jayce^ | deve falar numa lingua melhor |
| 16:45.53 | Maquis | tienes algunos estudiantes que hablan espanol? |
| 16:46.07 | hans | o personas |
| 16:46.16 | goozbach | tengo uno que habla ingles |
| 16:46.46 | hans | o, "tienes". pensaba que decia "tenemos". no todos somos estudiantes |
| 16:46.53 | Maquis | uh... |
| 16:46.56 | Maquis | doh... |
| 16:47.15 | hans | que pasa? tu pez te esta faltando? |
| 16:47.24 | hans | necesitas toalla? |
| 16:47.27 | Maquis | so, are you teaching in spanish? or are you making the guy that speaks english translate? |
| 16:47.53 | goozbach | all but one student has english as a second langage |
| 16:48.09 | goozbach | I'm teaching in english but we are conversing in spanish |
| 16:48.16 | Maquis | oh... so they hopefully can understand what's going on :) |
| 16:49.16 | goozbach | yeah |
| 16:49.44 | Maquis | interesting... |
| 16:49.53 | Maquis | anyway, class time |
| 16:49.57 | sjansen | that rocks |
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| 17:07.03 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, etc. || sjansen has been running Ubuntu successfully for more than 72 hours! |
| 17:09.53 | spr | someday someone else besides me will call me by my stage name, they'll call me... |
| 17:10.56 | Jayce^ | freak? |
| 17:11.12 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's lulling you into a false sense of security :) |
| 17:13.03 | levi | No, Dr. Worm. |
| 17:13.21 | levi | Good morning, how are you? I'm Dr. Worm. |
| 17:13.51 | levi | I'm interested in things. I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm. |
| 17:14.16 | levi | etc. |
| 17:15.33 | goozbach | I am an actual worm |
| 17:19.09 | sjansen | My logs look... so strange... no SSH scans. |
| 17:19.57 | Jayce^ | put in portknocking or something? |
| 17:23.12 | spr | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:23.48 | sjansen | No. Did nothing. emcnabb reports the same. Weird. |
| 17:24.34 | sjansen | "The RAID in Spain fails mostly at the backplane." |
| 17:25.20 | levi | sjansen: You join the ssh mafia or something? |
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| 17:33.04 | sjansen | levi: seen http://www.opencroquet.org/ |
| 17:33.07 | sjansen | ? |
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| 17:38.21 | levi | sjansen: Yup. |
| 17:38.54 | levi | sjansen: Haven't played with Croquet at all, though. |
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| 17:51.34 | sjansen | So is there an easy way to check changelogs before apt-getting an updated package? |
| 17:51.44 | sjansen | (In Debian, of course.) |
| 17:52.29 | levi | Hrm. Never tried to do that. |
| 17:52.41 | hans | there's the apt-listchanges package |
| 17:52.46 | hans | it lets you do that sort of thing |
| 17:52.56 | hans | there's also packages.debian.org/yourpackagenamehere |
| 17:53.04 | hans | where you can read the changelog and check the bugs |
| 17:57.07 | sjansen | Woo hoo! PG8 now supports hot backups! |
| 18:00.26 | hans | i saw pg8 came out, but somehow missed that exciting news |
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| 18:04.24 | sjansen | Am I the last to know about this? http://www.google.com/googleblog/2005/01/preventing-comment-spam.html |
| 18:07.10 | levi | sjansen: Probably not the last, but you're definitely behind the curve. |
| 18:07.28 | levi | I hope it is actually effective. |
| 18:08.24 | hans | I hope it doesn't make blogs invisible to search engines. |
| 18:08.30 | hans | i could mostly care less about forums though |
| 18:08.58 | hans | if I never get another avatar-obsessed 3rd-grade-level forum answer to a serious linux question again I'll be happy. |
| 18:08.59 | levi | Why would it do that? Only user-created links would drop. |
| 18:09.17 | levi | guest-created, I should say. |
| 18:09.53 | hans | well, blogs themselves wouldn't be invisible you're right. comments and wikis I guess. but with authentication that's not a problem |
| 18:10.07 | levi | So, you couldn't get your blog to show up on google by posting a comment on some blog with a large pagerank, but if you're interesting and someone links to you. |
| 18:10.35 | levi | Comments would still be indexed, it's just that the links in them would not be followed by spiders. |
| 18:10.38 | hans | the question is, then is it harder for spammers to play register arms race with the owner than would be worth their effort? |
| 18:11.16 | hans | i think it will be more good than not |
| 18:11.32 | levi | The idea is that all guest-entered data will be filtered, and links that show up will not be followed by spiders. |
| 18:11.38 | hans | I like trying to think of the angles where this sort of thing doesn't work as planned or backfires, though. |
| 18:12.00 | levi | The major problems would be wikis, where all data is guest-entered. |
| 18:12.54 | levi | The Squeak community is integrating their advogato-based trust system with their wiki code, though, which should allow them to decide whether or not to make links non-spiderable. |
| 18:13.17 | levi | Which, while not quite in the full wiki spirit, is a pretty good compromise IMHO. |
| 18:14.51 | levi | A system like Movable Type's typekey authentication could allow authenticated comments to have followable links, too. |
| 18:15.05 | hans | wiki spirit. wiki spirit is a joke |
| 18:15.06 | levi | where followable = spider-followable. |
| 18:15.18 | levi | hans: I agree, but some people feel pretty strongly about it. |
| 18:15.54 | levi | WardsWiki is a mess, though it's fun to read controversial issues on occasionally. |
| 18:16.26 | levi | Wiki+distributed trust mechanism could be very useful. |
| 18:16.31 | hans | wikis are a neat concept but this whole wiki spirit thing makes _assumptions_, and when those assumptions don't hold true, as we have seen they don't in the real world, you have to adapt |
| 18:17.05 | hans | you have to enforce your assumptions, or you have to adapt your model. I've seen some of both, and the result is a new and improved wiki. the purists can go play in their sandboxes. |
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| 18:20.13 | levi | hans: What sort of interesting solutions have you seen? |
| 18:24.39 | fozz | http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=dont-waste-wastes.jpg |
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| 18:28.02 | hans | levi: don't remember. they weren't _that_ interesting and I'm not _that_ interested in wikis |
| 18:30.23 | levi | I think the wiki idea is interesting. I think they just need some concept of trust to avoid idiots and spambots. |
| 18:39.53 | levi | Cool, Seaside has a real web page now: http://www.seaside.st/ |
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| 18:46.15 | sjansen | http://www.planetsuse.org/ |
| 18:47.22 | levi | That's a lot of suse blogs. |
| 18:48.16 | sjansen | Finally I think I've found a better way to get a peak into what's happening with SUSE. |
| 18:48.40 | levi | I love 'planet'-style blog aggregators. |
| 18:49.22 | levi | I probably won't follow planetsuse, though. |
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| 18:53.14 | mrpull | i've fallen in love with bloglines.com |
| 18:53.22 | sjansen | me too |
| 18:53.54 | hans | what's cool about it? |
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| 18:54.14 | mrpull | i can use it from any computer |
| 18:54.17 | mrpull | that is #1 |
| 18:54.32 | mrpull | it keeps track what you have/haven't looked at. |
| 18:55.10 | sjansen | and unlike some aggregators, it wraps a great browswer: mine |
| 18:55.43 | mrpull | yeah. I like that I can use any browser on any platform (I use windows for the most part on my desktop) |
| 18:55.53 | mrpull | and a lot of other aggregators use IE |
| 18:56.09 | mrpull | I avoid IE as much as possible |
| 18:56.47 | mrpull | beyond that, it's an aggregator |
| 18:57.13 | mrpull | ahhh... and the bloglines toolkit firefox extension is cool too. |
| 19:05.01 | sjansen | anyone know of a gnome del.icio.us interface? |
| 19:13.25 | mrpull | speaking of bloglines... my feeds are getting cluttered despite trying to catagorize them. |
| 19:13.59 | mrpull | sjansen: have you tried exporting your feeds, using another tool to clean them up and reimport them? |
| 19:14.13 | mrpull | the "organize" features are my biggest gripe with bloglines |
| 19:27.32 | sjansen | I haven't. So far I've just suffered with the native interface. |
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| 19:52.43 | natester | bytheway: john? |
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| 19:59.04 | sjansen-treo | Maybe it's just the new, clean install but Ubuntu is making me love my laptop even more. |
| 19:59.24 | hans | me turns on the recorder |
| 19:59.30 | hans | er, yeah |
| 19:59.53 | mrpull | sjansen... have you gotten hibernation / suspend working with ubuntu? |
| 19:59.53 | sjansen-treo | And it looks like my wireless problems might be related to our network setup. |
| 20:00.41 | sjansen-treo | Just put in a new router and it's giving others problems too. |
| 20:01.02 | sjansen-treo | mrpull: I'm not that daring. |
| 20:01.47 | mrpull | understood. |
| 20:02.04 | mrpull | for that matter... do any distro's do hibernation out of the box? |
| 20:02.34 | sjansen-treo | suse |
| 20:02.56 | sjansen-treo | didn't work, of course |
| 20:03.22 | sjansen-treo | but claimed too |
| 20:03.58 | sjansen-treo | (discovered that the hard way) |
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| 20:05.25 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
| 20:05.37 | ECS | ~lart Maquis |
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| 20:12.00 | sjansen-treo | so is grasshopper a meat or vegetable? |
| 20:14.22 | hans | http://blogs.pragprog.com/cgi-bin/pragdave.cgi/Random/LipoBatt.rdoc |
| 20:16.58 | levi | sjansen-treo: Meat, of course. Crunchy meat. :) |
| 20:18.18 | levi | hans: Heh. I'm afraid it would kill me, though. |
| 20:19.55 | hans | yes, definitely not for levi |
| 20:21.07 | hans | something like mr fusion could be handy though |
| 20:21.07 | hans | not that that would help you lose weight, not directly anyhow. but if your mt dew is powering your laptop instead of making you fat I guess that's an indirect improvement. |
| 20:21.07 | hans | assuming you don't just grab another mt dw. |
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| 20:26.06 | levi | Mmm, dew. |
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| 20:32.32 | Maquis | brigham: why did you go off? |
| 20:32.32 | brigham | don't ask me |
| 20:35.09 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 20:35.13 | Maquis | ~lart ECS |
| 20:35.52 | Maquis | |rmlart forces $who to use Debian |
| 20:35.53 | brigham | fine |
| 20:35.58 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 20:36.15 | beandog | im surprised noone on the list has mentioned the bill gates teen beat pictures yet |
| 20:36.22 | beandog | Or maybe were just all too nice |
| 20:36.34 | Maquis | beandog: no comment... |
| 20:36.41 | beandog | Maquis: heh |
| 20:36.44 | beandog | did you see em? |
| 20:37.00 | Maquis | beandog: yes... i did |
| 20:37.03 | Maquis | i've seen worse though |
| 20:37.52 | beandog | Im not gonna ask |
| 20:39.04 | Maquis | let's just say that he went to my hs, and there were pictures of him and paul all over the wall in the basement of one of the buildings... |
| 20:39.24 | beandog | He went to your high school?? |
| 20:39.30 | Maquis | yes |
| 20:39.35 | beandog | Oh, before you, I presume? |
| 20:39.41 | Maquis | yes... |
| 20:39.43 | beandog | heh |
| 20:39.46 | beandog | That one took me a second |
| 20:39.48 | Maquis | some of my teachers where there when he was... |
| 20:40.03 | Maquis | one of them got asked to prom by him... |
| 20:40.10 | Maquis | she turned him down... |
| 20:40.13 | beandog | one of the teachers did? |
| 20:40.15 | Maquis | not very tactfully... :) |
| 20:40.20 | Maquis | she was a student then... |
| 20:40.23 | beandog | Oh |
| 20:40.23 | Maquis | anyway... |
| 20:40.37 | beandog | chau |
| 20:40.41 | bucky | i'm hot for teacher |
| 20:42.19 | hans | wow, we've got to pry some stories out of her |
| 20:42.32 | bucky | lol |
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| 20:47.03 | byronc | blist |
| 20:47.09 | byronc | doh, wrong window |
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| 20:49.36 | beandog | Yay! |
| 20:56.17 | beandog | Does anyone know if theres some kind of way to do something similar --rate-limit in wget on cp? |
| 20:56.21 | beandog | since I'm copying over smb |
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| 21:07.41 | macnewbold | beandog: why do you want to slow it down? And no, there's not... cause to cp, it's not using a network, it looks like a local copy |
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| 21:08.43 | wiggity | any SQL d00ds in here? |
| 21:08.54 | goozbach | fiesta fiesta! |
| 21:08.58 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 21:09.01 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 21:09.03 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 21:11.44 | beandog | macnewbold: just cuz I think its bogging down our network, not sure. |
| 21:11.51 | emcnabb | ~lart Miami |
| 21:12.16 | macnewbold | you can use a tool like trafshow to see what's using your bandwidth |
| 21:13.45 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 21:13.59 | levi | I wish the debian kernel binary packages had the headers they were built against. |
| 21:14.38 | hans | huh? you mean like kernel-headers* |
| 21:14.39 | hans | ? |
| 21:15.42 | levi | Yeah, but there's not one that exactly matches my kernel binary package. |
| 21:15.50 | levi | So vmware modules won't build. |
| 21:15.52 | beandog | macnewbold: no, I mean I think the dozens of gigs Im transferring is crippling our network in general |
| 21:16.05 | beandog | macnewbold: for whatever reason |
| 21:16.38 | beandog | macnewbold: so I was looking for a way to rate limit it so it might go a little easier |
| 21:17.03 | goozbach | users.netradius.com/~goozbach/pluma-gay.wmv |
| 21:17.06 | goozbach | NSFW in some circles |
| 21:17.08 | macnewbold | the only place I can think of, since it's an smb mount, is in samba or your smb mounter |
| 21:17.09 | byronc | levi: you could probably install the kernel-source package that corresponds to your kernel version, unpack it, copy /boot/config-<version> to that directory and run 'make oldconfig' |
| 21:17.20 | hans | or delve into throttline |
| 21:17.27 | byronc | that will give you a kernel source tree you can build agains. |
| 21:17.28 | hans | qos and all taht |
| 21:18.38 | beandog | hmm ok |
| 21:20.05 | hans | seems overkill for this, but it might be fun to learn. :) |
| 21:20.22 | hans | I think the only thing that I can forsee giving me enough reason to care is if I start doing voip |
| 21:20.38 | hans | only streaming sort of thing I see myself doing in the near future |
| 21:23.31 | tensai | levi: that's odd. I've never had a kernel module fail because of the headers. make-kpkg definitely builds the kernel-headers package from the same source tree as the image. |
| 21:28.05 | sjansen | Uh, goozbach why did you feel a need to share that? |
| 21:28.14 | emcnabb | goozbach, is that your after hours class? |
| 21:28.26 | emcnabb | remind me not to go to Miami... |
| 21:31.33 | levi | tensai: I have kernel version 2.6.8-1-686, the closest header package is 2.6.8-1, and even if I change version.h to read 2.6.8-1-686, it complains that the headers say it's smp while the current kernel isn't. |
| 21:33.58 | sjansen | And now emcnabb won't stopping singing it. |
| 21:34.08 | emcnabb | http://media.big-boys.com/files02/dudelipsync.swf |
| 21:34.19 | emcnabb | that is for goozbach |
| 21:38.59 | hans | how does OOo handle mutliple people having something open? |
| 21:40.04 | hans | oh and make that sharing with excel not another ooo |
| 21:40.52 | levi | Rebuilding based on the /boot/config file worked. Thanks! |
| 21:41.40 | byronc | levi: you had to run make oldconfig to get that to work, right? |
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| 21:44.44 | tensai | levi: I have kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386. I used them to compile the asterisk zaptel modules. |
| 21:45.19 | tensai | I had to make a symlink at /usr/src/linux though |
| 21:49.33 | sjansen | http://titas.musicas.mus.br/letras/77905/ |
| 21:53.36 | levi | byronc: Yup. |
| 21:54.00 | levi | Anyway, I have vmware running now, so all is well. |
| 21:55.49 | sjansen | http://titas.musicas.mus.br/letras/77860/ |
| 22:09.19 | goozbach | fiesta fiesta! |
| 22:09.22 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 22:09.25 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 22:09.26 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy |
| 22:09.30 | goozbach | pluma pluma guy... |
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| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Quando não houver saída |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Quando não houver mais solução |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Ainda há de haver saída |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Nenhuma idéia vale uma vida |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Quando não houver esperança |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | Quando não restar nem ilusão |
| 22:10.38 | sjansen | Ainda há de haver esperança |
| 22:10.41 | sjansen | Em cada um de nós, algo de uma criança |
| 22:10.50 | levi | sjansen: crapflooder. :P |
| 22:11.10 | emcnabb | levi, do you want me to throw some putty at him? |
| 22:11.23 | levi | emcnabb: Sure. |
| 22:11.23 | sjansen | levi: I am doing courageous battle with goozbach! |
| 22:11.35 | emcnabb | never mind |
| 22:11.36 | levi | sjansen: Don't encourage him. :) |
| 22:11.39 | emcnabb | he has a chunk too |
| 22:12.11 | levi | Any vmware users here? |
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| 22:21.15 | emcnabb | sjansen, please stop singing |
| 22:21.16 | emcnabb | please |
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| 22:53.55 | sjansen | 1 |
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| 22:56.35 | alphahawk | has anyone here used icecast and ices0? |
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| 23:00.50 | findlay | |lart everybody and everything |
| 23:01.30 | macnewbold | ~lart findlay |
| 23:01.37 | macnewbold | ~fish findlay |
| 23:01.39 | ibot | ACTION slaps findlay around with a large trout |
| 23:03.58 | sjansen | ~whale findlay |
| 23:04.30 | sjansen | ~bzfrag findlay |
| 23:04.33 | ibot | ACTION squishes findlay with a steamroller |
| 23:04.43 | sjansen | ~frag findlay |
| 23:04.46 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at findlay |
| 23:06.28 | findlay | ~praise sjansen's 72-hour Ubuntu kit |
| 23:06.30 | ibot | All hail sjansen's 72-hour Ubuntu kit! |
| 23:06.37 | fluxCap | I used icecast a couple of years ago. We setup a music server for all the developers. |
| 23:09.04 | fluxCap | Well, I was going to say that Icecast sucked, but I guess alphahawk won't hear it now. |
| 23:10.45 | mheath | Why is it that every distro thats proper for a server either 1) Doesn't include nearly all the services I need, 2) Uses some limited binary package system that limits customization, or 3) Requires you to build *everything* from scratch? |
| 23:12.20 | levi | mheath: Perhaps because you have requirements that are well outside the common use case. |
| 23:13.21 | mheath | Wanting a Distro that, out of the box, includes ready to use WWW, FTP, Mail, and other services is outside the common use case? |
| 23:14.46 | levi | It's your requirement for extreme customization that is outside the common use case. |
| 23:15.12 | levi | Plenty of distros have www, ftp, mail, and other services out of the box. You just have to deal with the way they compiled those services. |
| 23:15.13 | mheath | I'm not talking about extreme customization. |
| 23:15.34 | mheath | levi: not really |
| 23:15.53 | levi | Okay, whatever. |
| 23:15.57 | mheath | Not many include too many services |
| 23:16.14 | mheath | And even fewer have decent default configurations for those services |
| 23:16.27 | sjansen | specific example? |
| 23:16.27 | JoshH | basically, you are bitching because no distro is perfect. |
| 23:16.35 | JoshH | all of them require some work |
| 23:16.39 | macnewbold | mheath: try freebsd - you can use binary pkgs or build from src (ports), and it's got all the services, and is pretty easy to configure... |
| 23:16.41 | JoshH | some more than others |
| 23:16.54 | JoshH | macnewbold: heh... you should hear his reason for not liking it. |
| 23:16.58 | JoshH | we discussed that on sunday. |
| 23:17.21 | JoshH | while levi was irc'ing from his treo in church |
| 23:17.32 | mheath | JoshH: ... |
| 23:17.32 | sjansen | macnewbold: Or use Windows. Just connect it to the Internet and let someone configure it for you... course it'll probaby be doing things you didn't intend. ;-) |
| 23:17.33 | mheath | I never said I didn't like FreeBSD. |
| 23:17.43 | mheath | I said I didn't care for the FreeBSD's Ports system too much. |
| 23:17.47 | macnewbold | oh, good, then I won't have to ~fish you |
| 23:17.57 | macnewbold | ~fish mheath for not liking ports |
| 23:17.59 | ibot | ACTION slaps mheath for not liking ports around with a large trout |
| 23:18.56 | mheath | macnewbold: Ports is ok, I just found it a bit messy and I don't care for pmake. I worked with it from a development perspective a few years back.. |
| 23:19.10 | JoshH | ~lart mheath for not liking debian also |
| 23:19.39 | levi | Debian at least attempts to ask you what sort of configuration you want in a lot of cases. |
| 23:20.00 | mheath | Anyway, the reson I mentioned all this is I'm considering working on my own Server distrobution |
| 23:20.03 | mheath | *reason |
| 23:20.32 | levi | Sure, in your spare time between working on your perfect natural language recognizer and your HURD hacking? |
| 23:20.55 | mheath | levi: if your going to insult things I say, at least leason to what I say. |
| 23:21.22 | mheath | 1) I'm not working on a language recognizer, I'm working on a simple frontend to a language recognizer. I'm almost done with that |
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| 23:22.00 | mheath | 2) I've done a bit of programming for the Hurd in the past. That's not my highest priority at the moment, though. |
| 23:22.01 | Bradipo | Jayce^: You around? |
| 23:22.03 | macnewbold | mheath: pmake? I've never used it, AFAIK, though I use ports all the time... |
| 23:22.22 | macnewbold | unless you mean the /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.ports.mk thing they've got |
| 23:22.31 | mheath | Yeah. Thats a pmake file |
| 23:22.34 | mheath | That and others |
| 23:22.48 | mheath | Thats the core makefile, plus theres other system-wide ones that are used by various ports. |
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| 23:23.30 | levi | What's wrong with pmake? |
| 23:23.56 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, yo |
| 23:24.02 | Bradipo | Never mind... |
| 23:24.05 | Jayce^ | he |
| 23:24.07 | Bradipo | I was reading your thread about bounces. |
| 23:24.13 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 23:24.16 | Bradipo | Thought I would suggest greylisting, but you're already using it. |
| 23:24.21 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:24.24 | mheath | It's inferior to GNU Make in several ways. Go and read some of the docs on garports (a GNU Make equivelent of BSD Ports), he discusses why he worked on the GNU Make version |
| 23:24.25 | Jayce^ | that's not the problem |
| 23:24.39 | Bradipo | Yeah, bounces from forged emails that look like they come from your domains? |
| 23:24.45 | Jayce^ | exactly! |
| 23:25.00 | Jayce^ | I can't stop them going out, and real domains bounce them back to me |
| 23:25.08 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 23:25.17 | Bradipo | SPF might help, but not enough people use SPF to make it useful. |
| 23:27.15 | levi | mheath: I think the BSD people would probably have ideological problems with using GNU Make as the core of their ports system. |
| 23:27.53 | sjansen | They swallow their pride and use gcc. |
| 23:29.21 | macnewbold | BSD people have nothing against GNU tools, it just happens that before GNU they used to have similar tools of the same names |
| 23:34.46 | Jayce^ | so sjansen I might give the ubuntu a try now... |
| 23:34.52 | Jayce^ | been meaning to update my home box.. |
| 23:35.02 | Jayce^ | and now I'm possibly switching for an athlon64 |
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| 23:37.20 | levi | Mmm, debian-based goodness. |
| 23:40.58 | Maquis | bah |
| 23:43.25 | levi | Bah? |
| 23:44.02 | findlay | macnewbold: when was BSD first released? Hasn't the GNU build toolset been around a while? |
| 23:44.03 | sjansen | I think she misspelled baz. |
| 23:44.57 | levi | findlay: BSD has been around a LONG time, in one form or another. |
| 23:45.16 | macnewbold | BSD has been around since the 70s... first open source unix. FreeBSD is more recent. It was delayed due to legal encumberment for a while, which gave Linux it's window of opportunity. |
| 23:45.42 | findlay | Then did GNU/Linux steal all the attention? |
| 23:45.50 | findlay | including developers |
| 23:45.52 | JoshH | basically |
| 23:46.26 | macnewbold | yeah. Linux came out while BSD was tied up |
| 23:46.31 | macnewbold | then bsd got freed up, |
| 23:46.41 | macnewbold | and linux was already gaining momentum |
| 23:47.11 | macnewbold | but BSD is gaining a lot in terms of mindshare, at least among the people that matter most |
| 23:47.12 | findlay | well, it still does enrich the pool of software |
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| 23:49.04 | findlay | Do you think it's a better system? |
| 23:49.29 | findlay | better design, architecture, blah, blah |
| 23:49.49 | Bradipo | I don't now if you all have seen this already or not, but this might help you understand it better: |
| 23:49.49 | Jayce^ | geeky, factoring out the bandwith from moving our NetAPP appliance from San Jose to LAX |
| 23:49.52 | Bradipo | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php |
| 23:50.09 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.27 | Bradipo | findlay: It isn't necessarily better, but it does do some things better. |
| 23:50.39 | findlay | Jayce^: do you run that on copper (:? |
| 23:50.58 | Bradipo | I found this article to describe the differences well enough. |
| 23:51.10 | Jayce^ | findlay, no, moving truck :) |
| 23:51.15 | JoshH | that guy is a bit biased towards bsd, but its not a big deal |
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