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| 00:11.15 | jsmith | Hmmmn... XMission is having DSL problems |
| 00:11.51 | jsmith | Second time I've had a problem in 5 years though, so I guess it's not too bad |
| 00:16.50 | goozbach | moo from hotlanta |
| 00:20.54 | Maquis | goo!!! |
| 00:21.43 | emcnabb | party in the city where the heat is on... |
| 00:22.00 | goozbach | I love my treo |
| 00:22.50 | emcnabb | me too |
| 00:22.51 | goozbach | emcnabb: not yet, miami is just a couple hours away |
| 00:23.34 | goozbach | ~lart t-mobile |
| 00:25.18 | goozbach | ~lart gate changes |
| 00:25.43 | goozbach | bbl |
| 01:05.28 | Mecworks | Hey, anyone here ever used http://www.sflphone.org/ ??? |
| 01:05.47 | Mecworks | (VoIP SIP soft phone) |
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| 01:40.43 | mheath | Anyone here happen to have any experience with Postfix? |
| 01:52.02 | mheath | Actually, nevermind. I think I'll go with courier.. |
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| 02:18.18 | ECS | ~lart Maquis |
| 02:50.35 | Maquis | so, our appartment just took personality tests, and apparently, we're all introverts |
| 02:50.58 | Maquis | and some of them (for a reason that i don't fully understand) seemed surprised that i was an introvert... |
| 02:51.19 | Maquis | i would've been very surprised if i was an extrovert... |
| 03:25.18 | Maquis | is there anyone here with experience with parted |
| 03:25.20 | Maquis | ? |
| 03:37.43 | goozbach | ~lart broken aircraft |
| 03:38.30 | goozbach | maquis an introvert? ! |
| 03:39.18 | goozbach | ~praise treo |
| 03:39.20 | ibot | All hail treo! |
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| 03:39.33 | Maquis_ | goozbach: broken aircraft? |
| 03:43.06 | LeviHome | I'm not surprised to know anyone on this channel is an introvert. |
| 03:43.34 | goozbach | stupid engine problems |
| 03:44.01 | LeviHome | Engine problems/ |
| 03:44.04 | Maquis | LeviHome: :) |
| 03:45.03 | LeviHome | So, yesterday we were going to get an ink cartridge for my printer at Wal Mart, but found we could get a new printer for the same price. So we got the printer. |
| 03:45.21 | LeviHome | I figure a fresh printer will look better than an old one. |
| 03:45.51 | goozbach | haha |
| 03:46.43 | Maquis | goozbach: so, how long have you been having plane issues? |
| 03:46.56 | Maquis | seems like you've had all types of comments about gate changes, etc |
| 03:47.03 | Maquis | are you going to have to wait fora while? |
| 03:47.13 | goozbach | since 7 local time |
| 03:47.23 | Maquis | and it's now... |
| 03:47.58 | goozbach | i'm now on the plane which will leave. |
| 03:48.11 | Maquis | you think |
| 03:48.11 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:48.42 | goozbach | 10 something methinks |
| 03:49.28 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:49.31 | LeviHome | Somewhere on the east coast? |
| 03:49.33 | Maquis | so, 3+hrs |
| 03:50.07 | goozbach | atlanta plus two |
| 03:51.13 | goozbach | miami will be plus three |
| 03:52.23 | LeviHome | Bye, gooz... |
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| 03:56.33 | LeviHome | Wow, the lisp format function is cool. |
| 03:56.59 | tensai | but it's still lisp |
| 03:57.18 | LeviHome | lisp is cool. |
| 03:59.22 | LeviHome | Common Lisp has some warts on account of being an evolved language of great age, but it's still incredibly powerful. |
| 04:00.49 | tensai | powerful, sure. I had a hard time grokking closures. gets pretty confusing. it's not at the bottom of my list of languages. |
| 04:00.56 | mheath | It's the most extensible language in existance :) |
| 04:00.59 | LeviHome | Scheme got rid of most of the warts, but removed a ton of the practical tools and features from the spec. |
| 04:01.18 | LeviHome | tensai: If you think closures are hard, stay away from scheme and call/cc. :) |
| 04:01.49 | LeviHome | Lisp is generic and flexible enough to adopt any new trend in programming methodology. |
| 04:02.46 | LeviHome | It adapted to OOP as elegantly as if it had been designed to support it. You can do functional programming, logic programming, aspect-oriented programming... anything you want. |
| 04:03.51 | mheath | Haha, again, it's the most extensible language in existance |
| 04:04.40 | LeviHome | Its power is largely due to the minimal syntax and the macro system. |
| 04:05.13 | mheath | Lisp or something thats mostly based on it is likely to be around decades from now, imo. |
| 04:06.23 | LeviHome | Heard of Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming? |
| 04:06.34 | mheath | Nope. |
| 04:06.46 | LeviHome | Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp." |
| 04:09.01 | mheath | Yeah. I can agree with that....thing is, though, limitations in current *implementations* of LISP make it impossible to do things with it that you can do with C |
| 04:09.49 | LeviHome | Well, enough implementations of common lisp allow you to call asm or C code that it doesn't matter. What are you referring to, though? |
| 04:10.22 | mheath | Well, yeah. I know you can call ASM or C from LISP, and that you can call LISP stuff from ASM or C |
| 04:11.02 | mheath | A lot of stuff (particularly low level stuff), isn't practical nor possible to do with current implementations of Lisp |
| 04:11.25 | LeviHome | What stuff are you referring to, though? |
| 04:11.56 | mheath | Like, say you wanted to code a self-sufficient Operating System |
| 04:12.06 | mheath | You couldn't do that entirely with Common Lisp. |
| 04:13.08 | LeviHome | Probably not, but that's of little concern to me. You could probably write an OS mostly in Lisp, though. |
| 04:13.31 | LeviHome | I wonder if any of the Symbolics source code was non-Lisp? |
| 04:13.36 | LeviHome | I need to eat, bbiab. |
| 04:18.21 | LeviHome | I mean, I doubt the Lisp Machines used much code that was not Lisp. |
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| 04:37.20 | mheath | LeviHome: you can code a stand alone LISP interpreter in LISP? |
| 04:38.46 | LeviHome | I'm not sure. But I do know that the Lisp Machines were programmed in Lisp. I'm not sure if it was exclusively Lisp or not. |
| 04:38.56 | mheath | I understand that Lisp can have very *little* dependency on other code / languages |
| 04:39.23 | mheath | Merely that I have yet to see a low level implementation of LISP that doesn't depend on code originally written on another language |
| 04:41.15 | LeviHome | I'm not sure if such an implementation exists, but if it does, it's probably on the Lisp Machines. |
| 04:47.45 | mheath | 350 Mhz Pentium II. |
| 04:48.05 | mheath | Not much, but extremely reliable and it does what I need it to do. |
| 04:59.36 | LeviHome | I got rid of my slowest systems, so now my slowest is a piii 450. |
| 05:11.28 | mheath | My fastest is a 450 PII |
| 05:18.53 | LeviHome | Mine's a 1.2ghz Athlon. |
| 05:19.50 | mheath | This is going to be awesome... |
| 05:20.01 | mheath | I'm going to have E-mail on this server... |
| 05:20.34 | mheath | But, the cool thing is I'm going to make a vgetty script so someone can call on a telephone and have their e-mail read to them |
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| 05:23.54 | mheath | And, after I start working on a Linux voice recognition engine that uses CMU Sphinx as a backend, it will be a full featured voice shell for my box |
| 05:24.03 | LeviHome | mheath: The OS on the Lisp Machines was indeed written in Lisp. |
| 05:24.59 | mheath | Ah. |
| 05:25.08 | LeviHome | And you can still get your hands on these beasts, though they're now mostly emulated or run as daughterboards on an old Mac. |
| 05:26.02 | mheath | This voice recognition system is going to be nice |
| 05:26.33 | LeviHome | Sounds like a fun toy to make, but I wouldn't actually ever want to have my email read to me. |
| 05:26.55 | mheath | Why not? |
| 05:27.05 | LeviHome | And I've found that I despise voice recognition stuff over the phone. I'd much rather use dial menus. |
| 05:27.34 | LeviHome | Reading email over the phone is slow, and most of my email only warrants a brief glance, if that. |
| 05:27.46 | mheath | LeviHome: This stuff will be more accurate than most voice recognition systems |
| 05:28.03 | mheath | CMU Sphinx is very acurate (assuming you use it with good data files) |
| 05:28.24 | LeviHome | It's not the accuracy. I just hate talking to voice menus. I feel silly doing it. |
| 05:28.45 | LeviHome | This is not to discourage you from doing it; it's a cool project. |
| 05:28.51 | LeviHome | I just wouldn't use it. |
| 05:29.03 | mheath | And anyway, this voice recognition system I'm working on isn't just for telephone stuff, thats just sort of a...proof of concept. |
| 05:29.31 | mheath | What I'm working on is a Daemon that can load individual plugins/modules that support voice recognition |
| 05:30.07 | mheath | It'll read stuff coming from Sphinx, parse it into a better format, and send it on to whatever voice recognition plugin has told the daemon it can handle that type of input |
| 05:32.45 | mheath | A standardized method of incorporating voice recognition into all your programs, basically. |
| 05:33.53 | LeviHome | I still don't like using voice recognition, even when it's accurate. Some people might enjoy it, though. |
| 05:34.26 | LeviHome | Macs have decent voice control support, and I've played with it, but it's never done anything practical for me, and I don't like having my computing overheard. |
| 05:34.36 | mheath | I hope to eventually code a module that has a limited implementation of Natural Speech parsing |
| 05:35.19 | mheath | Could you imagine telling your computer "Play the CD in the second drive" and having the CD Player program start up and start playing the CD in your second CDROM drive? |
| 05:35.49 | LeviHome | I can imagine it, but I wouldn't want to do it very often. |
| 05:36.27 | LeviHome | It's not a very efficient manner in which to interact with a computer. |
| 05:36.42 | mheath | Why do you say that? |
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| 05:37.31 | LeviHome | Natural language is ambiguous, difficult to parse, and verbose. |
| 05:37.41 | mheath | Yes |
| 05:37.47 | mheath | but it's possible to parse it very nicely |
| 05:38.04 | LeviHome | It's possible to parse a limited subset of natural languages very nicely. |
| 05:38.52 | mheath | Have you seen START? |
| 05:39.01 | LeviHome | No. |
| 05:39.10 | mheath | http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/infolab/ |
| 05:39.17 | mheath | Ask it a question. |
| 05:39.22 | mheath | Try something like: |
| 05:39.32 | mheath | "What is the distance from Salt Lake City to New York City?" |
| 05:39.37 | mheath | Then try |
| 05:39.56 | mheath | "How far is it from Salt Lake City to New York City?" |
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| 05:40.43 | mheath | Oh, apparently their having some downtime at the moment |
| 05:41.06 | Maquis | stupid byu network |
| 05:41.35 | LeviHome | That's pretty cool. |
| 05:42.00 | mheath | Accurate Natural Language parsing is possible. It's already been done. |
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| 05:42.18 | Slackware_kid | hello |
| 05:42.37 | LeviHome | Well, it knows that the meaning of life is 42. |
| 05:42.40 | LeviHome | Time for bed. |
| 05:42.52 | mheath | Haha |
| 05:42.54 | LeviHome | mheath: You underestimate the problem. But START is impressive. |
| 05:43.18 | mheath | I don't underestimate the problem. To do what I'm talking about is like a miniscule subset of START |
| 05:43.22 | mheath | It wouldn't be too difficult. |
| 05:43.32 | Slackware_kid | i'm back |
| 05:44.02 | mheath | Slackware_kid: We noticed. |
| 05:44.13 | Slackware_kid | ok, good |
| 05:45.08 | mheath | LeviHome: remember, though, that "it wouldn't be too difficult" == "months of work by a dedicated team of people" |
| 05:45.49 | mheath | I'm just saying, it wouldn't be as hard to do as START. START is years of state of the art research by the MIT AI Lab. |
| 05:47.08 | mheath | Goodnight, though, LeviHome (You're probably already gone..) |
| 05:47.17 | mheath | I'm heading to sleep myself. |
| 05:47.49 | Maquis | Slackware_kid: i'm here... but not for more than a minute or two |
| 05:47.59 | Slackware_kid | dag |
| 05:47.59 | Maquis | particular question? |
| 05:48.05 | Maquis | sorry... |
| 05:48.15 | Slackware_kid | no, just want to talk for 30 minutes |
| 05:48.15 | Maquis | i'm going to be up early tomorrow... |
| 05:48.29 | mheath | Slackware_kid: Go to sleep. It's past your bedtime :D |
| 05:48.40 | Slackware_kid | i don't go to school tommorrow |
| 05:49.10 | Maquis | mheath: no picking on Slackware_kid |
| 05:49.24 | Maquis | you're not that much older than he is |
| 05:49.41 | mheath | Maquis: hey, I know. I'm just joking. He knows that. |
| 05:49.51 | Maquis | just making sure |
| 05:51.39 | mheath | Slackware_kid: I'm almost 16. And again, while I don't mind people messaging me, I find it silly when they message me to ask questions they could just as easily ask in the channel. |
| 05:51.51 | Slackware_kid | sorry |
| 05:53.19 | Slackware_kid | Does anyone play Civilization |
| 06:16.55 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/16/nailgun.accident.ap/index.html |
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| 06:36.46 | Maquis | so, we get rid of the mold in our apartment, and get a gas leak in return |
| 06:38.45 | Maquis | emcnabb: wow! and he didn't even realize it??? |
| 07:22.20 | xbmodder | ? |
| 07:24.23 | xbmodder | wouch |
| 07:24.24 | xbmodder | ouch |
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| 07:28.34 | xbmodder | ~welcome wps |
| 07:28.37 | ibot | Howdy wps | It is good to see you wps | wps, Sup yo? |
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| 08:24.34 | goozbach | finally, party in the city where the heat is on... |
| 08:24.38 | goozbach | dang |
| 08:24.52 | goozbach | worst trip ever |
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| 08:37.09 | xbmodder | ? |
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| 15:46.11 | hans | morn |
| 15:53.57 | hans | well wake up already lazy bums ;-) |
| 15:56.39 | Maquis | mornin hans |
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| 16:02.47 | hans | anyone else getting authentication rejection on xmission's news server (xmission customers) |
| 16:04.36 | bonez41 | I haven't used any news servers ina while.....is xmission's causing trouble? |
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| 16:11.48 | Jayce^ | ~kill evil spammers that blast using your domain |
| 16:11.50 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized electron gun at evil spammers that blast using your domain |
| 16:12.03 | Jayce^ | 750+ bounce messages in my box this morning |
| 16:12.21 | Jayce^ | and that's after the obvious filters |
| 16:14.53 | Jayce^ | anybody got some good procmail rules for bounce messages? |
| 16:15.40 | hans | :0 |
| 16:15.43 | hans | * .* |
| 16:15.44 | hans | /dev/null |
| 16:16.07 | spig | wouldn't that sort of kill everything hans? |
| 16:16.13 | hans | shh |
| 16:16.17 | hans | don't tell jayce |
| 16:16.37 | spig | it would get rid of spam ;0 |
| 16:16.51 | hans | exactly. 100% effecitve |
| 16:19.42 | Jayce^ | true, works quite well.. |
| 16:19.52 | Bradipo | That's a lot of bounces. |
| 16:19.56 | Bradipo | Are they bounces or double bounces? |
| 16:20.23 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:31.49 | emcnabb | http://lwn.net/Articles/119459/ |
| 16:43.16 | goozbach | party in the city where the heat is on. |
| 16:43.41 | goozbach | I'm now in miami |
| 16:43.45 | goozbach | w00t |
| 16:43.58 | levi | Nice. |
| 16:44.07 | goozbach | stupid planes last night |
| 16:44.19 | goozbach | didn't get to my hotel till like 3:00am |
| 16:44.58 | goozbach | then the dorks at the hospital where i was supposed to teach sent me in the wrong direction, I was late for class because of it. |
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| 17:10.57 | Jayce^ | just bounces.. |
| 17:13.18 | erj | goozbach haha |
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| 17:34.43 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, etc. || It's proving a bumpy ride, but sjansen is running Ubuntu. |
| 17:35.34 | sjansen | In other news, flying pigs sighted. More at 9. |
| 17:38.00 | levi | It installed for you?! Maybe Ubuntu has excised the sjansen-hating portion of Debian. |
| 17:38.33 | sjansen | Installed? Yes. Installed and worked? Not entirely. But I'm wrestling it into submission. |
| 17:38.46 | levi | What's not working? |
| 17:38.52 | levi | I've only used the live CD. |
| 17:38.53 | Jayce^ | 64 at that |
| 17:39.28 | sjansen | Had a heck of a time with the video card, but I think I've got tips to pass onto users of other distros too. |
| 17:39.51 | sjansen | Still haven't got the wireless card working. The networking scripts are annoying me. |
| 17:40.22 | sjansen | Tweaked out my desktop, logged out, logged back in and Gnome refused to start. |
| 17:40.30 | levi | Hrm. |
| 17:41.18 | sjansen | I've almost got a useable system, though. Gonna change a few more things then let it stabilze for a bit. |
| 17:41.56 | Maquis | sjansen: it's almost useable?? |
| 17:42.00 | Maquis | cool@ |
| 17:42.10 | sjansen | It's useable, just not as comfortable as I want yet. |
| 17:42.22 | Maquis | why you trying to get gnome working? |
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| 17:42.50 | sjansen | Not sure I understand the question. |
| 17:43.14 | levi | Because Gnome 2.8 is kind of nice, maybe? |
| 17:45.33 | levi | sjansen: Maybe she thinks you should be spending your time setting up something retro-cool like fvwm2. |
| 17:52.54 | Maquis | http://www.politicalcompass.org/ |
| 17:53.04 | levi | Nooooooo, not politics! |
| 17:53.16 | hans | fly, you fools |
| 17:53.19 | Maquis | levi: just a little pop quiz to find out where you are... :) |
| 17:55.36 | levi | Last time I took it, I was pretty close to the middle. |
| 18:02.56 | fozz | Don't you love questions like, "Should completely harmless drugs like marijuana that are less addictive than chocolate and less mind-altering than bottled water be decriminalized so that the government stops wasting ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money on the stupid War On Drugs?" |
| 18:03.28 | hans | heh. the questioner doesn't have a bias on that does he? |
| 18:03.31 | fozz | These political quizes are so transparent. :) |
| 18:03.41 | fozz | That's not an actual question... I made it up. |
| 18:03.54 | sjansen | fozz: I've got some tips on getting nvidia 629 working. |
| 18:04.01 | fozz | I know how to get it working. |
| 18:04.07 | fozz | Read my page. |
| 18:04.26 | sjansen | That's what get me started, but your instructions didn't quite work for me. |
| 18:04.51 | fozz | options nvidia NNreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=0 |
| 18:04.57 | fozz | in modprobe.conf |
| 18:05.37 | fozz | But anyway- so many online political quizes are done by people who want you to side with them. |
| 18:05.42 | sjansen | I don't need NVreg_SoftEDIDS, just NVreg_Mobile=0. |
| 18:05.54 | fozz | Oh. Good to know. |
| 18:06.16 | sjansen | Also needed Option "UseEdidFreqs" "0" instead of IgnoreEDID. |
| 18:06.40 | sjansen | Looks like my machine, at least, is reporting bad frequency ranges, but correct screen size. |
| 18:07.03 | sjansen | So the more targeted "UseEdidFreqs" allows me to still get other EDID info. |
| 18:07.09 | fozz | Cool. |
| 18:10.16 | fozz | ~lart fake shipment tracking spam |
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| 18:21.06 | natester | sudo is being stupid |
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| 18:49.38 | mheath | This will take a few hours on this slow PII |
| 18:50.14 | sjansen | ~lart IE |
| 18:51.38 | sjansen | I wonder if we could just auto-detect users hitting plug.org with IE and just serve them: |
| 18:52.03 | sjansen | "You fool, You want to view the Provo Linux Users Group page in IE? Get a real browser and come back later." |
| 18:53.41 | hans | sjansen: just give them a lynx theme. "You want the styles? You can't handle the styles!" |
| 18:55.16 | mheath | Ugh. Lynx is horrible. |
| 18:55.29 | mheath | (Sorry, you'll soon realize that I'm oppionated about everything..)_ |
| 18:55.55 | sjansen | Lynx is wonderful, for certain things. |
| 18:56.10 | Jayce^ | mheath meet sjansen |
| 18:56.12 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:56.12 | mheath | Why is it better than links2? or elinks? |
| 18:56.19 | sjansen | You'll soon learn that I'm more opinionated about everything. |
| 18:56.49 | sjansen | More bare bones. Less fancy pants trying to act like a graphical browser. |
| 18:57.12 | mheath | *elinks* |
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| 18:57.43 | emcnabb | http://lwn.net/Articles/119500/ |
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| 18:58.18 | mheath | Debian feels they should replace GNU tools |
| 18:58.42 | mheath | And apparently think its OK to add dozens of dependencies to install-info, for example, by recoding it in Perl. |
| 18:59.45 | mheath | (Despite the fact that the original C version does the exact same thing faster) |
| 19:01.22 | mheath | Hey, I had a question |
| 19:01.29 | mheath | Do Cable lines go out in a power outage? |
| 19:01.46 | mheath | I mean, if I was to hook my cable modem onto my UPS, could I still get a net connection? |
| 19:05.26 | sjansen | My guess is maybe. |
| 19:05.52 | macnewbold | mheath: I do that with my DSL modem, and I keep my internet during a power outage. Cable should be the same, unless there power's out at some other point that powers some component that your connection depends on. |
| 19:05.57 | sjansen | I was hit by an outage last week that only affected about two blocks. Cable probably would have still worked. |
| 19:06.27 | sjansen | But I doubt it's designed to be as reliable as phone. |
| 19:13.57 | mheath | Yeah, macnewbold, DSL = Phone, and Phones are only powered at the origin of the line |
| 19:14.18 | mheath | I think individual Cable Boxes might require power, and thats why I was asking |
| 19:14.39 | macnewbold | no idea on that point... that's why I disclaim any knowledge of what other parts would depend on power :) |
| 19:15.03 | macnewbold | I doubt that each cable box (i.e. one per house) is hooked into power... especially without going through a power meter. |
| 19:19.27 | hans | mheath: I already gathered that. |
| 19:19.33 | sjansen | http://test.plug.org/preview/ |
| 19:19.57 | hans | I hope you don't mind that I pay even less attention to them than sjanesn's |
| 19:19.57 | sjansen | (Just don't look at it in IE and complain. I already know.) |
| 19:20.48 | Maquis | sjansen: looks sweet! |
| 19:20.58 | jsmith | sjansen: Formatting problems in the lower right-hand corner. Your name is covered up by an O'Reilly graphic. |
| 19:21.11 | jsmith | sjansen: With Firefox. |
| 19:21.19 | hans | sjansen: but not here |
| 19:21.20 | Maquis | not for me, also in firefox... |
| 19:21.37 | hans | I like it. the one thing I might change is the gray box - no dashes |
| 19:21.41 | sjansen | That's because of the fluid design. jsmith just has his screen at an unreasonably large size. |
| 19:21.54 | jsmith | 1600x1200 is unreasonable? |
| 19:22.04 | sjansen | I knew it would be a problem, but haven't addressed it yet. |
| 19:22.04 | jsmith | Since when? |
| 19:22.07 | macnewbold | 1600x1200 is excellent, not unreasonable... :) |
| 19:22.09 | hans | either solid or nothing. but that's my opinion |
| 19:22.37 | Maquis | i don't even have a monitor that supports 1600x1200 |
| 19:22.50 | hans | also, I'd use a yellowish background on the gray box, goes along with tux' feet |
| 19:23.04 | hans | but that's all nitpicky. :) |
| 19:23.07 | sjansen | 1600x1200 is too large for browsing. I'm sure you've run into other sites that also look bad at that size. |
| 19:23.27 | sjansen | Cut your screen in half. Use half for IRC and ther other half for browsing. |
| 19:23.50 | Maquis | sjansen: do you use svn? |
| 19:23.52 | sjansen | hans: grey box? |
| 19:23.57 | sjansen | Maquis: yes |
| 19:23.58 | hans | I can't even stand to browse at 1280x1024. |
| 19:24.11 | hans | sjansen: "The Provo Linux Users Group welcomes everyone with an interest..." |
| 19:24.19 | sjansen | That's blue. |
| 19:24.28 | hans | or purple. whatever it is |
| 19:24.31 | Maquis | sjansen: i can't seem to get 'svn revert ./' to work correctly (or i might just completely misunderstand what it's supposed to do) |
| 19:24.58 | hans | looks like periwinkle actually |
| 19:25.45 | Maquis | when i do 'svn diff' it shows me the diff between the version in the dir and the version that i committed last |
| 19:26.12 | Maquis | so, then, if i do 'svn revert ./', and then do 'svn diff', my understanding is that the diff should come out empty because they should be identical |
| 19:26.16 | Maquis | but o |
| 19:26.28 | Maquis | i'm ending up with the same diff as before, and the file's aren't being reverted... |
| 19:27.21 | sjansen | Sorry, haven't used svn enough to be able to make a suggestion. |
| 19:27.31 | sjansen | But I want to know what you learn. ;-) |
| 19:27.50 | jsmith | Maquis: Does svnbook.org help? |
| 19:28.55 | Maquis | jsmith: i've read through a lot of 'version control with subversion' (not sure if that's where you're pointing to... but guessing) |
| 19:29.07 | Maquis | and from what i can tell, svn revert ./ is how i'm supposed to revert to previous versions |
| 19:29.18 | Maquis | instead of deleting what i have and re-checking it out |
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| 19:31.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ~help |
| 19:32.09 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't think xxx.com should be in it... |
| 19:32.21 | xbmodder_lappy | ~hex FFFFFFFFFF |
| 19:32.21 | ibot | FFFFFFFFFF is 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 46 |
| 19:32.55 | byronc | Maquis: with cvs you could do 'cvs update -C' and that would revert the changes, don't know if it works with svn though |
| 19:33.13 | Maquis | ha! |
| 19:33.15 | Maquis | found it |
| 19:33.20 | Maquis | byronc: cool :) |
| 19:33.27 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 19:33.41 | Maquis | sjansen: since you wanted to hear: it's 'svn revert ./*' |
| 19:33.59 | Maquis | (have to have that star otherwise it won't do anything) |
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| 20:02.34 | levi | Mmm, food. |
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| 20:07.31 | levi | Hey sjansen. |
| 20:07.34 | sjansen-treo | so how hard is it to selectively mix ubuntu and debian repositories? |
| 20:08.56 | hans | sjansen: the only other person I know to have tried ubuntu is byronc |
| 20:09.00 | levi | I have no idea. I was going to try using Ubuntu, but I discovered you can't install from the LiveCD, so I just did a stock Debian install. |
| 20:09.26 | levi | I've heard that they play nicely together, but I don't know how reliable that info is. |
| 20:09.45 | byronc | sjansen-treo: Do you only want packages that ubuntu doesn't include to be installed from other repositories? |
| 20:10.03 | bucky | sjansen, so did you get bricolage installed? |
| 20:10.42 | sjansen-treo | byronc: yeah |
| 20:11.18 | sjansen-treo | bucky: where? hashed my server |
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| 20:12.40 | byronc | sjansen-treo: if there is just one other repository you want to install from, just add it to your sources.list and then set warty to be your Default Release in /etc/apt.conf |
| 20:12.46 | bucky | sjansen-treo, i guess it hosed your mod_perl2 |
| 20:12.59 | byronc | sjansen-treo: anything more complicated and you'll need to do some apt pinning |
| 20:13.12 | sjansen-treo | exactly |
| 20:13.28 | bucky | were you able to fix it? |
| 20:14.10 | sjansen-treo | haven't tried yet |
| 20:14.19 | bucky | i'm just asking because i put birolage on my box |
| 20:14.24 | bucky | to try it out |
| 20:15.09 | bucky | sjansen-treo, so are you going to try on another box or try something other than bricolage? |
| 20:15.45 | sjansen-treo | not sure yet |
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| 20:19.55 | dax-treo | hey all |
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| 20:20.19 | macnewbold | all you treo people... make me jealous |
| 20:20.24 | Maquis | ack!!! too many treos!!! |
| 20:20.38 | dax-treo | I'm eating chinese right now. Mmmmm pot stickers. |
| 20:20.44 | levi-treo | Because logging in from the treo is the cool thing to do... |
| 20:20.52 | Maquis | somehow i doubt that my palm m100 is capable of ssh-ing :) |
| 20:21.00 | levi | Even though it's sitting right next to my keyboard. |
| 20:21.18 | macnewbold | best chinese food I've had in UT: Pine Garden Cafe in Bountiful - 500 S and 300 W, by KFC and Deseret book |
| 20:21.31 | macnewbold | _excellent_ egg rolls |
| 20:21.45 | macnewbold | they're the best I've had _anywhere_ |
| 20:22.35 | dax-treo | Several Gurus are at the HoHo in Bountiful right now. |
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| 20:23.26 | Maquis | hoho? |
| 20:23.36 | dax-treo | we no longer communicate verbally. |
| 20:24.05 | dax-treo | We use the Treos to chat 'pass the salt'. |
| 20:24.13 | emcnabb-treo | dax-treo, will you pass me the rice |
| 20:26.00 | emcnabb-treo | forward |
| 20:26.00 | emcnabb-treo | this is the future |
| 20:26.06 | mrpull | treo 650's? or earlier? |
| 20:26.12 | Maquis | emcnabb-treo: seems like an odd future.... |
| 20:26.14 | mrpull | i'm looking at getting a 650 |
| 20:26.25 | mrpull | but I like to keep my phone in my pocket |
| 20:26.29 | mrpull | and it is a hair big. |
| 20:26.35 | sjansen-treo | 650 |
| 20:26.43 | emcnabb-treo | I keep mine in my pocket |
| 20:26.57 | sjansen-treo | same |
| 20:27.01 | emcnabb-treo | it's not bad |
| 20:27.01 | mrpull | do you use a case or screen protector? |
| 20:27.11 | dax-treo | google and wikipedia always available equals power |
| 20:27.11 | mrpull | my coworker got a "holster" |
| 20:27.16 | mrpull | but it looks big. |
| 20:27.17 | emcnabb-treo | screen protector |
| 20:27.40 | emcnabb-treo | it's not bad |
| 20:27.51 | mrpull | what kinda protector? the film kind? |
| 20:27.53 | levi-treo | Mine is a 600 |
| 20:27.57 | emcnabb-treo | better than I thought |
| 20:28.28 | dax-treo | I'm on a Treo650 now was on a Treo600. |
| 20:28.29 | levi | No need to run my battery down even more... |
| 20:28.42 | levi | I keep my 600 in my pocket. |
| 20:28.54 | dax-treo | ditto |
| 20:28.56 | mrpull | cool. are you using the DUN hack? |
| 20:29.01 | mrpull | with any success? |
| 20:29.04 | emcnabb-treo | church no longer has boring streaks |
| 20:29.15 | sjansen-treo | get a rhinoskin |
| 20:29.16 | Maquis | *cough* |
| 20:29.21 | mrpull | hahahah.... my wife doesn't permit gadgets at church! |
| 20:30.34 | dax-treo | mrpull: You need to use the 'it is my scriptures too' approach |
| 20:30.46 | mrpull | she's too clever for that. |
| 20:31.25 | mrpull | checking fantasy football stats or chatting with coworkers doesn't score me points with my wife. |
| 20:31.35 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:31.38 | Maquis | smart wife :) |
| 20:31.45 | levi | Mine asks to borrow mine to play bejewelled. :) |
| 20:32.15 | emcnabb-treo | I love marbles (the game) |
| 20:32.28 | mrpull | is it like samegnome? |
| 20:32.40 | Maquis | glickomania |
| 20:34.17 | dax-treo | food has arrived |
| 20:34.52 | mrpull | bon apitite |
| 20:34.59 | mrpull | or whatever the french say! |
| 20:38.19 | emcnabb-treo | yum... |
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| 20:43.36 | dax-treo | well...later... |
| 20:44.07 | emcnabb-treo | sjansens fortune cookie says he will soon be the center of attention |
| 20:44.32 | emcnabb-treo | laugh at him |
| 21:01.10 | usynic | what the treo |
| 21:01.17 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:01.28 | emcnabb | just a treo party |
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| 21:05.10 | Newsome | ~lart perl |
| 21:05.16 | sjansen | http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/91q1/prodwarn.html |
| 21:07.02 | Newsome | haha |
| 21:07.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:08.54 | Newsome | "The Journal of Irreproducible Results" |
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| 21:10.00 | peregrine | emcnabb: How was your lunch cnoversation? |
| 21:10.16 | emcnabb | good |
| 21:10.27 | emcnabb | are you jealous you didn't have a Treo? :-) |
| 21:10.41 | emcnabb | (peregrine was at lunch with us) |
| 21:10.42 | peregrine | A little, but not really. |
| 21:10.46 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 21:18.32 | sjansen | ~bodyslam peregrine |
| 21:18.34 | ibot | ACTION enrolls peregrine for spring training with the Green Bay Packers as a tackle dummy |
| 21:19.24 | peregrine | ~tar sjansen |
| 21:19.26 | ibot | ACTION shoves sjansen in a box then tosses the box in a trash compactor |
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| 21:51.14 | sjansen | "The Ubuntu Calendar is a set of wallpapers and themes that are updated |
| 21:51.14 | sjansen | every month. The selection of art photography includes some semi-nude |
| 21:51.14 | sjansen | models and artistic portrayals of people from diverse ethnic groups." |
| 21:52.12 | Jayce^ | 'artistic' |
| 21:52.23 | Jayce^ | this after the pushback on their last wallpaper |
| 21:52.40 | mrpull | was there anything _that_ offensive in the wallpapers? |
| 21:52.54 | Jayce^ | somewhat, yeah |
| 21:53.36 | mrpull | i've seen 2 or 3 of the wallpapers and decided they weren't for _my_ desktop, but didn't think they'd burn my mother's eyes out if she saw them. |
| 21:54.09 | Jayce^ | yeah, but it's enough to get flak (I agree)... |
| 21:54.17 | Jayce^ | my wife sure wouldn't like me with that on :) |
| 21:54.52 | mrpull | mine either. I think ubuntu is as close to a usable linux desktop that there is. |
| 21:55.06 | mrpull | it is a shame that the wallpaper is slowing acceptance |
| 22:00.51 | mrpull | ok... i may have to retract my ubuntu wallpaper statements. |
| 22:01.11 | Jayce^ | oh yeah? you look at a few of them? |
| 22:01.30 | mrpull | I wont point out the links... |
| 22:01.39 | Jayce^ | probably a good idea in this channel |
| 22:01.41 | mrpull | but they have gotten more risque than the last time I defended them |
| 22:02.10 | mrpull | still not porno... but they shouldn't include that stuff with the default install (I don't think they do anymore anyway) |
| 22:02.46 | Jayce^ | there was talk that it wasn't default anymore.. but I haven't installed it yet |
| 22:03.04 | Jayce^ | soft pr0n |
| 22:03.08 | sjansen | It isn't default. |
| 22:03.18 | mrpull | i really broke my ubunu laptop good. |
| 22:03.24 | mrpull | I was running their unstable repos |
| 22:03.29 | mrpull | it's not worth fixing. |
| 22:03.35 | mrpull | time for a reinstall |
| 22:03.41 | mrpull | but I really like ubuntu. |
| 22:03.47 | sjansen | Default include two version of the same background, both with the Ubuntu logo and a brown background. |
| 22:03.48 | mrpull | everything works to my satisfaction. |
| 22:04.29 | mrpull | i like a current but more stable debian. works well for my tastes. |
| 22:04.48 | mrpull | or should I say stable / more current |
| 22:04.50 | mrpull | ? |
| 22:04.57 | mheath | The 2.6.11-rc1 kernel patch is intended to patch against 2.6.10, right? |
| 22:05.46 | usynic | mrpull, heh, I did the same thing. |
| 22:05.57 | usynic | hoary == bad |
| 22:06.10 | mrpull | I cant resist playing with the new stuff. |
| 22:06.17 | usynic | me neither. |
| 22:06.24 | usynic | hence, I'm back on archlinux. |
| 22:06.27 | mrpull | i've gotta keep a "stable" windows machine for the misc windows admin stuff I do. |
| 22:06.42 | mrpull | so I go wild with my linux laptops and don't mind if I break them |
| 22:06.51 | mrpull | fixing them is a learning experience anyway. |
| 22:07.17 | mrpull | 95% of what I know I learned from breaking crap (tm) |
| 22:07.45 | mheath | is it just me, or is bunzip && tar faster than bzcat | tar (what tar -xjf does)? |
| 22:07.45 | usynic | that's half the fun |
| 22:08.24 | sjansen | mheath: that sure isn't what I'd expect |
| 22:09.33 | mrpull | wouldn't the bzcat | tar be "cheaper" for disk i/o? |
| 22:09.48 | mheath | Well, yeah |
| 22:09.57 | mheath | But I'm talking overall speed, not disk i/o |
| 22:10.35 | sjansen | mrpull: In theory, practice and theory shouldn't differ. In practice, practice and theory often differ. |
| 22:10.53 | mrpull | but on some machines (my little notebook only has a 5300 RPM disk) that can make a big difference |
| 22:11.34 | mrpull | so if I have a fast CPU (1.7 PM) but a slow disk, wouldn't writing to the disk once instead of twice be faster? |
| 22:12.17 | mheath | Yes. But pipes are slow |
| 22:12.49 | mrpull | ahhh... I don't know enough about pipes to say :) |
| 22:13.28 | sjansen | mheath: You're sure of this? |
| 22:13.35 | mheath | Not really |
| 22:13.40 | mheath | I'm going to run some tests |
| 22:13.51 | mrpull | i'd still imagine that a pipeline (if all in memory) would be faster than disk |
| 22:13.58 | sjansen | You'd have to be careful testing, be sure to warm up caches before actually recording. |
| 22:20.50 | mrpull | wow. |
| 22:20.53 | mrpull | http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops-pcs/apple/mac-mini-versus-g4-cube-029907.php |
| 22:20.58 | mrpull | i had a cube for a while |
| 22:21.03 | mrpull | he was slow, but quiet. |
| 22:21.13 | mrpull | the mini is so tempting. |
| 22:21.51 | sjansen | as a secondary computer in the kitchen or living room |
| 22:22.26 | mrpull | yeah, but i've got 2 laptops floating in the kitchen / living room. |
| 22:22.38 | mrpull | i cant justfiy another pc to my wife |
| 22:22.43 | sjansen | you could donate one to me |
| 22:22.45 | mrpull | (or myself really) |
| 22:23.00 | mrpull | i've got a Thinkpad A21 i'm willing to part with (sell) |
| 22:23.10 | mheath | How much? |
| 22:23.22 | mrpull | heck... now that I think about it, 3 laptops lurking in the family room |
| 22:23.27 | mrpull | hehehe.... |
| 22:23.42 | mrpull | they still bring in a decent amount of cash on ebay, etc. |
| 22:23.56 | mrpull | do a search on ebay and make me an offer. |
| 22:24.03 | mrpull | i'll give you the "plug discount" |
| 22:24.20 | mheath | How's the battery on the thing? |
| 22:24.26 | mrpull | pretty poor. |
| 22:24.31 | mrpull | it'd need replacing. |
| 22:24.33 | mheath | Not interested, then |
| 22:24.43 | mrpull | fair enough. |
| 22:25.06 | mheath | Speaking of items for sale (This ones a little odd for #utah).. |
| 22:25.24 | mheath | I've got an acoustic guitar for sale, if anyones interested. Off topic here, but doesn't hurt to mention it. |
| 22:25.37 | mrpull | i just got a spankin new HP notebook, but still like my 5 year old thinkpad |
| 22:25.43 | sjansen | I'll take it off your hands for free. No more nagging from your wife. ("Why do you still have that piece of junk?") No more guilty pinges when you think about buying more hardware. ("I suppose I should have a second system just in case my main system dies.") And more! |
| 22:25.56 | mrpull | hehehe. |
| 22:26.33 | mheath | I'm building a mini computer, about 12x9x4 inches |
| 22:26.46 | mheath | Coolest part is all the hardware was originally ATX |
| 22:27.03 | mheath | (Or rather almost ATX...made for a unique Dell case) |
| 22:27.48 | sjansen | I'll try to remember to poke around tonigh and see if I still have it. |
| 22:27.54 | mheath | I'm using plexiglass for the case |
| 22:28.17 | mheath | Nah. It's dirt cheap, and your down in provo aren't you? Wouldn't be worth the gass money. |
| 22:29.13 | mrpull | i'd throw in the netgear wifi pccard and an extra power cord to offset the weak battery life |
| 22:29.28 | mrpull | and still part with it for 400ish for a fellow plugger. |
| 22:32.11 | mrpull | i'd also consider trading it for an ipod |
| 22:32.24 | mrpull | even a mini |
| 22:33.28 | sjansen | You want an entire care for an old laptop? |
| 22:33.43 | mrpull | car? |
| 22:33.49 | mrpull | yeah. i'd go for that. |
| 22:34.03 | mrpull | my wife is a bit tall for a cooper tho |
| 22:45.50 | levi | I want a cooper. |
| 22:49.46 | hans | inlaw's restaurant should be open tomorra |
| 22:50.02 | hans | 300s state orem (Selena's) |
| 22:50.13 | hans | tex-mex. yummy. probably wifi eventually |
| 22:50.47 | Jayce^ | east or west side? |
| 22:50.58 | Jayce^ | #utah discount? :-p |
| 22:51.23 | hans | west side |
| 22:51.38 | Jayce^ | price range? |
| 22:51.40 | hans | not precisely 300s |
| 22:51.50 | Jayce^ | think I know the location |
| 22:51.52 | hans | sort of panda express style, 3.99 one entree |
| 22:51.56 | Jayce^ | k |
| 22:52.05 | hans | then there's stuff a la carte too |
| 22:52.10 | Jayce^ | remind us tomorrow before lunch, maybe I can talk the coworkers into it |
| 22:52.21 | sjansen | Okay, if not Plug discount, friends of Hans discount? |
| 22:52.47 | hans | 1% friend of hans discount tomorrow. ;-) |
| 22:53.41 | hans | if we go in a big group and I go too, we can probably manage a discount. have to talk to f-i-l |
| 22:56.14 | sjansen | "You're friends of my worthless, no-good, hippie son-in-law? You know he brainwashed my daughter with stories about penguins, don't you? But then you probably all taught him to. Price are double for all of you!" |
| 22:56.16 | hans | goozbach: do this: rm -rf / |
| 22:56.20 | hans | that will keep you busy |
| 22:57.00 | Jayce^ | sjansen, "No chilies for you, 1 year!" |
| 22:57.14 | Jayce^ | so, anybody watch Iron Chef America last night? |
| 22:57.22 | Jayce^ | really interesting Chili Relleno made |
| 22:57.45 | Jayce^ | buffalo... nice corn meal crust, good cheeses, and good sauces |
| 22:57.48 | Jayce^ | looked really good |
| 22:58.30 | peregrine | goozbach: Um..Miami...the beach!...hello!? :) |
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| 23:15.24 | hans | ok, is this a paradox or what: "And still, KOffice has good performance and is fully usable on low-end hardware," |
| 23:15.34 | hans | hello, who's running kde on low-end hardware? |
| 23:15.54 | mrpull | define low-end |
| 23:16.07 | mrpull | my lowend and your lowend are surely different :) |
| 23:16.34 | hans | they didn't. but as the resident expert on cheapness I think low end is roughly Pentium II |
| 23:16.42 | Jayce^ | hans' high end is most of our low-end |
| 23:16.43 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 23:17.24 | hans | right there. and I don't use kde on my high end either. :) unless you count my work workstation which really is high end and I run gnome there (with fvwm though) |
| 23:17.29 | mrpull | i wont keep anything older than a P3 in my junkpile |
| 23:17.56 | sjansen | mrpull: you've only been here a short time, and all ready you understand a key point of interpreting everything hans says |
| 23:18.19 | mrpull | hehe |
| 23:18.20 | hans | Bradipo: can you get on xmission's news server? |
| 23:18.25 | Bradipo | Let me try. |
| 23:18.31 | Bradipo | Or do you mean, do I have access? |
| 23:18.33 | macnewbold | ~uphpu-events |
| 23:18.46 | hans | well I would read news there every day until this morning |
| 23:18.56 | macnewbold | doh... tomorrow night's meeting is strings and regular expressions (PCRE, POSIX, etc.) |
| 23:18.58 | hans | getting access denied or something. you need username/password |
| 23:19.32 | tensai | looks like evolution 2 will pull mailing list info out of the headers |
| 23:19.33 | tensai | http://nat.org/2005/january/list-actions.png |
| 23:19.40 | Bradipo | Hmm, must have something wrong with their ACL. |
| 23:19.49 | hans | same for you? |
| 23:20.28 | hans | tensai: sweet, sweet, and double sweet (if it works) |
| 23:20.46 | Bradipo | Which server? |
| 23:20.49 | Bradipo | I'm on news.xmission.com |
| 23:20.52 | hans | ditto |
| 23:21.04 | tensai | hans: they have a screenshot. clearly it must work. :) |
| 23:21.15 | Bradipo | Well, I'm reading xmission.general |
| 23:21.22 | Bradipo | Got a particular group? |
| 23:21.58 | hans | so it's working for you then. I wonder if it is related to recent account changes (back to 1 IP) |
| 23:22.09 | hans | "A News (NNTP) error occurred: Authentication error) |
| 23:22.15 | hans | that trying to access x.general |
| 23:22.47 | sjansen | So which is less stable: debian unstable or debian testing? |
| 23:22.58 | Bradipo | Yeah, its working. |
| 23:23.29 | hans | sjansen: unstable is aka sid |
| 23:23.41 | hans | you know, the devil kid that blows things up |
| 23:23.57 | hans | just think of sid as a poor mentally unstable nino |
| 23:25.20 | tensai | I've had a few major problems due to running unstable. probably 3 in the last 3 years. I haven't run testing as much but haven't had any problems like that. |
| 23:25.40 | hans | tensai: ha! that's right, screenshots are proof positive |
| 23:26.07 | tensai | there are issues with security updates. they take 2 weeks to work into testing. |
| 23:26.34 | hans | you can grab them manually though |
| 23:26.43 | tensai | if you're not lazy |
| 23:26.54 | tensai | (which I am) |
| 23:26.57 | hans | you have to remember people from other distros are used to doing extra work |
| 23:27.15 | byronc | or just close all of your services and don't allow anyone else to have local access. |
| 23:27.31 | byronc | that catches almost all of the security updates. |
| 23:27.45 | hans | don't forget to install booby traps on the stairs. |
| 23:33.52 | tensai | quiz time! I've got a directory that's 6MB. How many files do you think it contains? |
| 23:34.11 | levi | tensai: 3251 |
| 23:34.24 | levi | tensai: If not that, then it must be 5. |
| 23:34.29 | sjansen | 6144 |
| 23:35.01 | tensai | let make clarify. the directory doesn't contain 6MB worth of data. the directory itself (the listing of files in it) is 6MB. |
| 23:35.17 | sjansen | ahhhh, in that case |
| 23:35.20 | levi | Oh. Well, that changes things. |
| 23:35.33 | levi | One MILLION files. |
| 23:35.55 | Jayce^ | get that pinky out of your mouth levi.. |
| 23:35.59 | sjansen | $1 |
| 23:36.16 | sjansen | Do I win Bob? |
| 23:36.27 | Jayce^ | ~praise noise cancellation headphones.. |
| 23:36.30 | ibot | All hail noise cancellation headphones..! |
| 23:37.04 | tensai | still counting... (not manually of course) |
| 23:38.00 | tensai | it's a maildir to which much of the postmaster@ and root@ addresses on servers was going. doesn't look like it's been checked in a *long* time. |
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| 23:38.36 | agama | where can I get a supersmall x86 system capable of running gentoo linux with about 10 gigs of hd space |
| 23:39.41 | levi | You can get that on the internet. Somewhere. |
| 23:40.40 | sjansen | ~hug #utah for being so helpful |
| 23:40.42 | ibot | ACTION hugs #utah for being so helpful |
| 23:40.58 | tensai | what levi means to say is your criteria are not restrictive enough for us to give you a useful answer |
| 23:41.23 | agama | 10"x2" box that runs linux |
| 23:41.27 | agama | on x86 |
| 23:41.33 | agama | well I would install it |
| 23:41.38 | agama | I'm just looking for small hardware |
| 23:41.58 | agama | travel friendly |
| 23:42.22 | Jayce^ | 10x2? real small |
| 23:42.22 | levi | You want a pre-made box, or you want to assemble parts? |
| 23:42.45 | tensai | what tasks will it need to perform? does it need sound, network, video? how about optical or floppy drives? |
| 23:43.00 | agama | network |
| 23:43.03 | tensai | Jayce^: it's going to be a wallpaper I think |
| 23:43.10 | agama | heh |
| 23:43.11 | levi | I mean, you can buy a PC104 board and plug crap into it and stuff it in a box. |
| 23:43.32 | agama | vesa compatible video |
| 23:43.35 | agama | no floppy |
| 23:43.37 | agama | just a hd |
| 23:43.47 | agama | ide controller |
| 23:43.59 | tensai | sounds like a network attached storage |
| 23:44.01 | Jayce^ | probably mini/laptop ide |
| 23:44.14 | Jayce^ | probably look for a laptop, no monitor. |
| 23:44.47 | levi | Yeah, you could find a laptop with a broken screen on ebay and transport its innards to a new box. |
| 23:44.48 | agama | yeah or an IDS |
| 23:45.04 | agama | levi: less student |
| 23:45.16 | levi | agama: What? |
| 23:45.33 | agama | less student more production environment please |
| 23:45.42 | tensai | I've used this little puppies before and they work great. |
| 23:45.43 | tensai | http://www.snapappliance.com/page.cfm?name=2200main&nav=2200 |
| 23:46.01 | hans | agama: what is it for? if all you need is ide storage then why not a usb external drive? |
| 23:46.24 | Jayce^ | heck, an Ipod or similar device even better |
| 23:46.30 | Jayce^ | if it's just that |
| 23:46.47 | tensai | or a microdrive |
| 23:46.50 | agama | lots of hd space isn't important |
| 23:47.01 | agama | travel size non embedded linux machine |
| 23:47.05 | tensai | the answer was 87803 |
| 23:47.06 | hans | tensai: I thought you said microwave. I was wondering how a microwave would help |
| 23:47.24 | agama | tensai: cool NAS system |
| 23:47.39 | tensai | nope, sorry. wrong number. 113301. |
| 23:47.40 | hans | agama: how is travel size non-embedded different from laptop? |
| 23:48.52 | tensai | agama: they look like they belong on Star Trek. that was my favorite part. |
| 23:48.52 | levi | So, a Shuttle-type case is too big? |
| 23:49.02 | agama | laptop is fine actually, but it doesn't need a screen |
| 23:49.32 | Maquis | ~lart me |
| 23:49.35 | hans | so a portable headless linux box, but needs to be independent |
| 23:49.53 | agama | hans: independant? |
| 23:50.06 | agama | um oh yeah |
| 23:50.07 | tensai | ~smash Maquis |
| 23:50.18 | agama | it has to seperate it's own box |
| 23:50.18 | hans | i.e. a knoppix CD and usb drive isn't independent - you need another computer to bring the magic to life |
| 23:50.36 | agama | GE |
| 23:50.53 | agama | we bring the magic to life |
| 23:51.20 | hans | heh. I was trying to find what that could be an acronym for. Good Example, for example |
| 23:51.32 | hans | then I was going to make a GE joke. oh well |
| 23:51.43 | agama | sorry to ruin it |
| 23:51.44 | agama | heh |
| 23:51.50 | hans | nobody but sjansen would have thought it was funny anyway |
| 23:52.13 | agama | this stuff looks good http://www.logisysus.com/ |
| 23:53.19 | agama | especially this one as long as a pencil http://logisysus.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=74&products_id=188 |
| 23:55.24 | levi | Well, there you go. |
| 23:55.28 | Maquis | peregrine: what's up? |
| 23:55.33 | levi | I told you there was one on the internet somewhere. |
| 23:55.45 | Maquis | ~beat levi |
| 23:55.47 | ibot | ACTION beats levi with a large stick. |
| 23:55.48 | hans | Maquis: falcons |
| 23:56.28 | agama | yeah um so does it support linux though |
| 23:56.51 | sjansen | Maquis: a drop tile ceiling and flourescent lighting |
| 23:57.07 | hans | sjansen: you forgot the sprinklers |
| 23:58.06 | Maquis | sprinklers... |
| 23:58.27 | Maquis | put an old heater up on a shelf immediately underneath one of the sprinklers |
