| 00:02.26 | sjansen | There's two ways. The old way is with devlabel. The new way is using hotplug and udev. |
| 00:03.22 | sjansen | RH is using the second, although naming devices is a little difficult right now. The Gnome developers are waiting on HAL and dBus to be fleshed out a little bit more, IIRC. |
| 00:03.47 | sjansen | Still trying to figure out what SUSE is doing. Although I haven't looked very hard yet. |
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| 00:06.37 | sjansen | Can anyone recommend a good (Open)LDAP book? |
| 00:10.02 | jsmith | sjansen: Is there such a beast? |
| 00:13.22 | sjansen | jsmith: I'm asking you. |
| 00:16.19 | hans | sjansen: the oreilly one is good |
| 00:17.34 | tensai | sjansen: you're not studying up so you can teach an ldap class in idaho, are you? |
| 00:25.23 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach for getting sent to Miami to teach a class in the middle of the winter while the rest of us freeze. |
| 00:26.47 | Maquis | sjansen: just think about it this way... when he gets back from miami, he's going to have climate-shock, and will feel much colder than the rest of you :) |
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| 00:27.11 | sjansen | IF he comes back from Miami. |
| 00:27.18 | Maquis | sjansen: good point |
| 00:27.46 | Maquis | Newsome: got the arrow keys recognized :) thanks again for the help! :) |
| 00:28.15 | Newsome | Sure, no problem! I'm glad it works! |
| 00:28.54 | Newsome | I played around with it a little, and Alt-Fx gives a 6-character key sequence. Pretty cool1 |
| 00:29.20 | Maquis | got it part-way through ethics of CS... |
| 00:30.26 | sjansen | ~warn Maquis about sluffing in her classes |
| 00:32.51 | Maquis | i'm not sluffing |
| 00:33.08 | Maquis | the class doesn't have any tests though |
| 00:33.40 | Maquis | he said the most important thing to the class is to do the little writing assignments, and to actually be physically there (whether or not you have a heartbeat) every day |
| 00:33.54 | Maquis | so, i did my writing assignment, and was in class |
| 00:37.35 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 00:39.16 | sjansen | Not even a participation requirement. |
| 00:39.36 | Maquis | sjansen: well, that's the "be present" requirement |
| 00:39.37 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:40.04 | Maquis | and on one day in the semester, we have to present our viewpoint in front of the class |
| 00:40.46 | Maquis | (all three girls signed up for the day where we discuss why there are so few girls in CS... it could be an interesting discussion that day) |
| 00:45.41 | sjansen | That one's easy: because most of them think computers are "icky". |
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| 00:46.04 | Jayce^ | 'cause women lack logic.... :0p |
| 00:46.17 | Jayce^ | and with that flamebait, I'm off.. |
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| 00:47.47 | uE|bdogg | yes that is flamebait to the max |
| 00:47.47 | uE|bdogg | but it's true :( |
| 00:50.41 | Maquis | grep keys |
| 00:50.54 | Maquis | ~lart Jayce^ |
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| 01:06.02 | sjansen | ~praise LSB |
| 01:06.04 | ibot | All hail LSB! |
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| 01:10.28 | mheath | Wow |
| 01:11.55 | mheath | In other news, however... |
| 01:12.06 | mheath | chroot now generates segmentation faults for some reason |
| 01:13.02 | mheath | Oh, nevermind. Now it freezes. And not even a kill -9 will stop it. |
| 01:16.16 | mheath | Agh! |
| 01:16.28 | mheath | What is it with me and IDE controller chipsets? It's like a curse. |
| 01:17.04 | mheath | They die on me. It's a known law of pyhsics that all IDE controller chipsets used by me will eventually die. |
| 01:18.45 | sjansen | Well, most things die eventually. |
| 01:18.55 | mheath | Uh |
| 01:19.27 | mheath | My brand new, 2.5 week old IDE Controller just died |
| 01:19.57 | Maquis | SegFault |
| 01:20.16 | hans | yikes |
| 01:20.21 | findlay | ~lart SegFault |
| 01:20.27 | mheath | Maquis: I was just getting a ton of those |
| 01:20.37 | Maquis | well, this is in something i'm writing... |
| 01:20.38 | mheath | Chroot seg faulted |
| 01:20.45 | Maquis | so, i doubt i can blame it on anything but myself |
| 01:20.54 | mheath | Every time anything tried to read from stuff on the controller...segfaults.. |
| 01:21.11 | mheath | Kernel's message log is filled with errors when trying desperately to reset the controller |
| 01:21.32 | findlay | hans: great vim presentation last month, it still helps me, or I'm still learning the power of vim |
| 01:21.44 | findlay | and it's ever and ever more fun to use |
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| 01:23.41 | mheath | vim--; |
| 01:23.43 | mheath | emacs++; |
| 01:24.01 | Maquis | ~lart mheath for daring to do that... |
| 01:24.05 | sjansen | "dirty power" perhaps |
| 01:24.10 | hans | --ide_controller; |
| 01:24.18 | findlay | (: |
| 01:24.56 | mheath | Agh! |
| 01:24.58 | findlay | vim += \infty; |
| 01:25.08 | mheath | And of course, it dies TWO DAYS after the full return period ends |
| 01:25.14 | mheath | Now I can only get in store credit :( |
| 01:25.39 | Maquis | ooh... it's one of those items with a hardware countdown to warranty expiration! |
| 01:26.10 | Maquis | (well, return expiration anyways...) |
| 01:26.13 | mheath | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 01:26.21 | bonez39 | anyone of you use lpdomatic? I don't even have the standara lp utilities on my machine here |
| 01:26.25 | mheath | PDC202XX: Primary channel reset. |
| 01:26.31 | mheath | hde: drive not ready for command |
| 01:26.51 | mheath | ide2: reset timed-out, status=0x80 |
| 01:26.59 | mheath | *Endless I/O errors* |
| 01:28.38 | hans | install cupsys-bsd |
| 01:31.41 | levi | Dang, I'm out of orange sticks. |
| 01:32.25 | mheath | orange sticks? nani desu ka? (Sorry, I'm practicing japanese, you're likely to see stuff randomly written in Japanese by me :) ) |
| 01:33.10 | sjansen | Why must laundry be such an important part of life? |
| 01:33.24 | sjansen | Why can't I be contented to smell bad? |
| 01:33.33 | sjansen | Oh well, I guess there's not escaping it. |
| 01:42.23 | *** topic/#utah by xbmodder -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, etc. || Help xbmodder gain RHCE donate: http://xbmodder.us/donation.html |
| 01:43.10 | findlay | oh sure |
| 01:43.21 | findlay | I knew after all that you would be after my money |
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| 02:24.36 | xbmodder | HA |
| 02:27.17 | xbmodder | stupid earthquake |
| 02:27.31 | xbmodder | You now have 2.68 fewer microseconds each day to do whatever it is you do due to that earthquake. |
| 02:28.31 | findlay | does that mean my life will be shorter? |
| 02:30.38 | Maquis | findlay: i would think that it would make your life longer, assuming that you're speaking in terms of time as measured here on earth |
| 02:30.59 | findlay | but what if I'm not on earth |
| 02:31.19 | Maquis | ??? |
| 02:31.29 | findlay | alright |
| 02:31.35 | findlay | I'll tell you the truth |
| 02:31.56 | Maquis | mmk |
| 02:32.00 | xbmodder | Maquis, life sucks... |
| 02:32.03 | xbmodder | laid... again... |
| 02:32.04 | xbmodder | :( |
| 02:32.06 | xbmodder | hahah! |
| 02:32.08 | xbmodder | :) |
| 02:32.12 | Maquis | xbmodder: life does suck |
| 02:32.15 | Maquis | but it gets better |
| 02:32.24 | Maquis | it has its up times and its down times |
| 02:32.25 | xbmodder | findlay, it scientifically your life is the same |
| 02:32.30 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 02:32.54 | findlay | I'm from the planet tronic in the zeta sector of the delta quadrant |
| 02:33.09 | tensai | mheath: ore mo Mecworks mo nihongo wakaru kara betsu ni tsukatte ii yo |
| 02:33.17 | Maquis | findlay: no way! you're from the delta quad??? that's cool! |
| 02:33.31 | Maquis | how'd you get over here? :) |
| 02:33.43 | findlay | they let me IRC to earth occasionally as long as I don't give away the secret of life |
| 02:34.05 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 02:34.52 | xbmodder | haha! |
| 02:34.55 | xbmodder | findlay, die |
| 02:35.14 | findlay | which happens to do with the diffraction curvature the light cones of exotic wingless butterflies who propagate through space using obscure principles from general relativity |
| 02:35.29 | xbmodder | hahahah! |
| 02:35.36 | Maquis | i want a wingless butterfly! |
| 02:35.38 | xbmodder | tru dat! |
| 02:35.55 | findlay | they are also responsible for natural events |
| 02:36.15 | Maquis | findlay: you won't be caught now that you've told us that, right? |
| 02:36.25 | findlay | like the weather in New York |
| 02:36.26 | Maquis | you'll still be able to come visit? |
| 02:36.31 | findlay | Maquis: naw |
| 02:36.34 | findlay | sure |
| 02:36.37 | Maquis | (and they won't come for us, will they?) |
| 02:36.45 | findlay | only if you want |
| 02:36.54 | xbmodder | i want them to come! |
| 02:36.59 | Maquis | no, but if they could deliver some wingless butterflies, that'd be nice |
| 02:37.11 | xbmodder | really nice |
| 02:37.15 | Maquis | are they as pretty as regular butterflies? |
| 02:37.20 | findlay | there's this one butterfly named Clyde who is very particular about new york |
| 02:37.28 | xbmodder | send it with the annual pizza delievry |
| 02:37.28 | findlay | he lives in Bejing |
| 02:37.36 | xbmodder | ha |
| 02:37.47 | findlay | no they have spin 7+1/2 |
| 02:38.20 | findlay | and can only be seen on the 26th leap year since 1027 BC |
| 02:40.55 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:41.28 | tensai | mheath: 俺もMecworksも日本語分かるから別に使っていいよ |
| 02:41.48 | findlay | Maquis: I'll let you have as many de-winged, um, wingless butterflies as you want if you do my physics lab for me |
| 02:42.01 | Maquis | de-winged? |
| 02:42.10 | Maquis | what physics lab? |
| 02:42.11 | findlay | nevermind |
| 02:42.16 | Maquis | Mecworks: ummmm |
| 02:42.17 | findlay | hey look over there! |
| 02:42.48 | findlay | Mecworks: is it difficult to get the Japanese glyphs with a typical keyboadr? |
| 02:43.56 | Mecworks | findlay, not bad at all. Japanese use a standard keyboard too. You need the lookup software and you encode using sound rather than actualy typing keys... |
| 02:45.29 | Mecworks | usualy you use kinput2 or an XIM compatable entry tool. |
| 02:45.38 | goozbach | love this ssh client |
| 02:45.48 | Mecworks | which one is that? |
| 02:45.59 | goozbach | doesnt do unicode however |
| 02:46.07 | Mecworks | bummer. |
| 02:46.31 | findlay | I couldn't imagine source code in Japanese |
| 02:46.32 | goozbach | pssh for palm |
| 02:46.52 | findlay | or could whatever the cliche is |
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| 02:56.44 | xbmodder | could i sell my identity for 100million dollars |
| 02:57.11 | findlay | on Tronic perhaps |
| 02:57.36 | goozbach | emcnabb: remember whatever I was supposed to remind you to do. |
| 02:57.53 | xbmodder | emcnabb, sup |
| 03:03.42 | emcnabb | I don't remember what it was |
| 03:12.23 | xbmodder | scream! |
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| 03:28.30 | byronc | anyone know if a kernel-image-2.6.x package for debian is available with CONFIG_PREEMPT=n ? |
| 03:28.36 | byronc | or do I need to build my own |
| 03:29.06 | findlay | can't you go look it up in menuconfig? |
| 03:29.26 | byronc | findlay: all the ones I have on my system have CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 03:30.20 | xbmodder | i have CONFIG_KERNEL=n |
| 03:34.24 | tensai | byronc: my debian kernel has CONFIG_PREEMPT=y. I doubt you'll find one without. |
| 03:34.59 | byronc | I was hoping to avoid building one on this slow machine. Looks like I may have to anyways. |
| 03:35.10 | findlay | happy building (: |
| 03:38.49 | tensai | I don't think it did, but I'm not sure. |
| 03:38.52 | findlay | HZ, Gerhard Hertz? In that case would not the factory rated frequency be the speed limit? |
| 03:39.14 | tensai | you can build it on a different machine and install the package anywhere |
| 03:40.04 | byronc | tensai: I think I'll do that. |
| 03:40.21 | tensai | findlay: HZ is a timing mechanism, basically how often the kernel wakes up and runs the scheduler |
| 03:41.05 | findlay | oh |
| 03:41.58 | tensai | previously HZ was #define'd to 100 for x86 and 1024 for alpha. a patch allows it to be set at boot time. |
| 03:42.27 | tensai | the lowest it can actually be set is 13 |
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| 03:45.49 | tensai | byronc: why no love for PREEMPT? |
| 03:46.33 | byronc | tensai: it's killing my usb cd burner, scsi commands magically disappear, but only on the slow machine |
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| 03:55.58 | findlay | hello sjansen's treo |
| 03:56.49 | sjansen-treo | hello findlay |
| 04:01.01 | byronc | sjansen-treo: you've definitely come to the right place for that :) |
| 04:01.41 | findlay | great! you're all here to finish my physics lab for me. |
| 04:02.34 | sjansen-treo | not a chance |
| 04:05.09 | sjansen-treo | maybe a little relaxing music before bed will help |
| 04:05.15 | byronc | sjansen-treo: that's the blue cd, right? |
| 04:05.35 | sjansen-treo | red |
| 04:05.50 | byronc | right, classic Queen is the blue one. |
| 04:09.24 | goozbach | sjansen-treo: I'll have to 'borrow' that one |
| 04:11.20 | Maquis | ping? |
| 04:11.40 | Maquis | ~lart OIT |
| 04:11.42 | Maquis | mmmk |
| 04:11.44 | Maquis | so, i'm live |
| 04:12.36 | Maquis | ~ping google.com |
| 04:12.39 | ibot | pong google.com |
| 04:12.50 | Maquis | ~ip google.com |
| 04:13.15 | tensai | Maquis: 1.42 second(s) |
| 04:13.23 | Maquis | tensai: what i need is the ip address |
| 04:13.35 | tensai | 128.187.244.16 |
| 04:13.40 | Maquis | thanks |
| 04:13.53 | Maquis | byu's network's having issues again, and i can't get outside the network with pings, or browsers |
| 04:13.56 | byronc | ahh, the new kernel package is building on a slightly faster machine. |
| 04:13.58 | Maquis | for some reason, it didn't kill irc |
| 04:14.02 | Maquis | and i think AIM works fine too |
| 04:14.29 | sjansen-treo | so it's just a proxy problem |
| 04:14.33 | Maquis | or maybe AIM doesn't |
| 04:14.38 | findlay | Maquis: 'host google.com' |
| 04:14.43 | tensai | Maquis: didn't you get the memo? last night oit decided pings and browsers are unsupported. |
| 04:14.45 | findlay | Maquis: 'dig google.com' |
| 04:14.55 | findlay | (: |
| 04:15.13 | Maquis | tensai: honestly, i can't say that it would surprise me |
| 04:15.18 | sjansen-treo | icmp is frequently blocked at byu |
| 04:15.19 | Maquis | very little about OIT surprises me |
| 04:15.45 | Maquis | sekhmet root # traceroute 128.187.244.16 |
| 04:15.45 | Maquis | traceroute: findsaddr: Can't find interface |
| 04:15.49 | Maquis | ?? |
| 04:16.09 | sjansen-treo | (icmp is the protocol used by ping, if you missed the connection) |
| 04:16.19 | tensai | Maquis: I *would* be surprised if they sent out a memo beforehand |
| 04:16.39 | sjansen-treo | traceroute also uses icmp |
| 04:16.45 | tensai | lots of isps are blocking icmp these days. kinda sad. |
| 04:17.18 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: although it wouldn't be responsible for the down-ness of other pieces of my network connection |
| 04:18.11 | Maquis | i'm kind of curious as to how i'm still connected here, since apparently, everything else is dead |
| 04:18.20 | sjansen-treo | but hey, irc works so what else matters? |
| 04:18.27 | sjansen-treo | all tcp? |
| 04:18.37 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: ??? |
| 04:18.44 | sjansen-treo | what else is broken? |
| 04:19.23 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: AIM, browsers, dns (can't get any type of ip address lookup from ping (which i can usually do), etc |
| 04:19.46 | Maquis | usually, when they kill things, i can still get to cs.byu.edu, and www.byu.edu since i'm inside |
| 04:19.52 | sjansen-treo | don't use ping for lookup |
| 04:20.02 | Maquis | how should i do lookup? |
| 04:20.08 | findlay | host |
| 04:20.10 | findlay | ? |
| 04:20.15 | Maquis | host wouldn't work |
| 04:20.19 | byronc | nslookup |
| 04:20.26 | byronc | dig |
| 04:20.46 | Maquis | all of those return command not found |
| 04:21.04 | sjansen-treo | nslookup is deprecated, use host or dig |
| 04:21.20 | Maquis | mmmhmmm |
| 04:21.27 | sjansen-treo | silly gentoo user, bind is for power users |
| 04:21.35 | Maquis | bind is for power users? |
| 04:21.59 | sjansen-treo | uh, kids, then? |
| 04:22.17 | Maquis | what is bind? |
| 04:22.29 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:22.30 | Maquis | nm |
| 04:22.39 | Maquis | byronc: now what do you use? |
| 04:22.42 | sjansen-treo | you can't pretend to be a newbie much longer |
| 04:22.44 | hans | the one true distro |
| 04:22.50 | byronc | debian testing/unstable |
| 04:22.59 | sjansen-treo | but back to the task at hand |
| 04:23.03 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: how much longer do i have? |
| 04:23.23 | findlay | 5 seconds |
| 04:23.27 | sjansen-treo | bind is a collection of dns tools |
| 04:23.48 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.50 | findlay | Maquis: when you reach that stage, let me know what it's like |
| 04:24.02 | Maquis | findlay: i don't want to reach that stage |
| 04:24.13 | Maquis | well, in some ways i do, because then i'll know things |
| 04:24.34 | sjansen-treo | too late, you passed it awhile ago |
| 04:24.37 | Maquis | but i enjoy sitting around and learning from everyone... |
| 04:24.54 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: but i'm not a guru... nor a power user... so what does that make me? |
| 04:25.27 | sjansen-treo | like becoming an adult, it happens without your noticing it, and before you want it to |
| 04:25.29 | Maquis | ~dict socket |
| 04:25.30 | sjansen-treo | a user |
| 04:25.54 | Maquis | gah! /me can't get to wikipedia!!! |
| 04:26.37 | sjansen-treo | does your /etc/resolv.conf look sane? |
| 04:27.04 | Maquis | i think so? |
| 04:27.15 | Maquis | (my roommate's going to kill our hub any day now |
| 04:27.28 | Maquis | ) |
| 04:27.37 | sjansen-treo | you'd notice that |
| 04:27.42 | Maquis | yes |
| 04:27.50 | Maquis | and i wouldn't have irc anymore |
| 04:28.04 | Maquis | although, i am going to move it to my side of the desk soon |
| 04:28.09 | sjansen-treo | likewise, the problem probably isn't a neary router |
| 04:28.18 | Maquis | a neary router? |
| 04:28.26 | sjansen-treo | nearby |
| 04:28.36 | Maquis | oh |
| 04:28.54 | Maquis | well, judging from the fact that other people can't get to byu.edu, i'm guessing not |
| 04:29.01 | sjansen-treo | can you reach ry.byu.edu? |
| 04:29.02 | Maquis | torriem mentioned that to me |
| 04:29.14 | Maquis | no |
| 04:29.59 | sjansen-treo | hmmm, icmp down, can't create new connections |
| 04:30.05 | sjansen-treo | did aim die? |
| 04:30.54 | sjansen-treo | problems inside means it's (probably) not the nat |
| 04:31.16 | sjansen-treo | unless of course someone did somethig stupid to it |
| 04:32.00 | sjansen-treo | whatever it is, i'm thinking expect long delays |
| 04:32.09 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: aim died |
| 04:32.22 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: i know |
| 04:32.27 | Maquis | it's oit |
| 04:32.28 | sjansen-treo | think of it as a chance to study chinese or go to bed early |
| 04:32.44 | Maquis | i was hoping to get this wireless card set up with a new system |
| 04:32.49 | Maquis | that's what i needed it for |
| 04:32.50 | Maquis | but oh well |
| 04:33.35 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 04:33.37 | Maquis | bad sign |
| 04:33.48 | Maquis | whoever has the wireless router has internet access |
| 04:34.01 | Maquis | that concerns me |
| 04:34.05 | Maquis | oh wait... |
| 04:34.27 | sjansen-treo | ? |
| 04:35.53 | Maquis | ibot: you are slow |
| 04:35.54 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, Maquis |
| 04:36.14 | Maquis | ~lart me for being utterly and completely stupid |
| 04:36.35 | sjansen-treo | you can't just leave us in suspense |
| 04:36.39 | findlay | Maquis is not stupid |
| 04:36.49 | findlay | ibot: Maquis is not stupid |
| 04:36.50 | ibot | ...but maquis is already something else... |
| 04:36.56 | findlay | ibot: Maquis is also not stupid |
| 04:36.58 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 04:36.59 | Maquis | ~maquis |
| 04:37.00 | ibot | i guess maquis is a poker, or not stupid |
| 04:37.13 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: how badly do you want to know??? |
| 04:38.26 | sjansen-treo | at this point, we're going to mock you anyway, so you might as well come clean |
| 04:38.36 | Maquis | well... umm... |
| 04:39.03 | Maquis | so, i'd killed my ethernet earlier, so that i could try out this new wireless toolkit... |
| 04:39.13 | Maquis | and try and get it working with my system |
| 04:39.37 | Maquis | then, when i came back, i remembered to ifconfig eth0 up, but i forgot to use dhcpcd |
| 04:39.43 | sjansen-treo | the if was down? |
| 04:40.00 | Maquis | no... but i didn't have an ip address |
| 04:40.12 | sjansen-treo | heh |
| 04:40.19 | findlay | service network restart? |
| 04:40.56 | sjansen-treo | i'd have ibot mock you now, but the tilde is hard to get at |
| 04:41.14 | sjansen-treo | so, uh, consider youself mocked |
| 04:41.18 | xbmodder | hey i have a simple yet elegant question: i want to make a virtual phone person. A program that will feed me the incoming audio i can tell it what to type via festival. i want this to happen all via voice modem tho i don't mind if i can hack some phone... |
| 04:41.22 | Maquis | findlay: don't think that's an option... at least i don't see it around here in gentoo |
| 04:41.30 | findlay | ok |
| 04:41.47 | findlay | /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart |
| 04:42.23 | Maquis | yeah, so that would've been the better way of doing it |
| 04:42.27 | Maquis | but i wasn't thinking |
| 04:42.38 | sjansen-treo | service is an rh-ism |
| 04:43.04 | findlay | the initscript usually intelligent;y handles all the details |
| 04:43.11 | sjansen-treo | xb: no idea |
| 04:43.13 | findlay | sjansen-treo: yeah |
| 04:44.23 | jalance_ | anyone know of a good tool to use to debug a firewall? I am using openvpn, I can connect just fine when the firewall is down, but I can't when it is up |
| 04:44.46 | jalance_ | iptables -L is telling me that the port that I want is open |
| 04:44.49 | sjansen-treo | log files |
| 04:45.15 | jalance_ | yeah, they aren't helping very much, I can see that a request is being made |
| 04:45.28 | sjansen-treo | add some rate limited LOGing |
| 04:45.46 | Maquis | s/LOGing/LOGging |
| 04:46.43 | sjansen-treo | haven't used openvpn, maybe it needs alternate port to initiate |
| 04:47.38 | sjansen-treo | maybe you filtering out all but related w/o allowing new |
| 04:48.00 | sjansen-treo | established |
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| 05:04.49 | Special_K | ~lart Maquis |
| 05:05.05 | findlay | ~lart Special_K |
| 05:06.48 | Maquis | thanks findlay |
| 05:07.04 | Maquis | ~lart Special_K for larting maquis |
| 05:07.45 | LeviHome | sjansen-treo: What program are you using for irc on the treo? |
| 05:13.40 | Special_K | ~lart Findlay for butting in. |
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| 05:20.18 | findlay | anybody know how to display fit parameters in a gnuplot plot? |
| 05:36.18 | mheath | tensai: What were you trying to say earlier? Not only can I not yet read Japanese, I'm on an ASCII console at the moment. |
| 05:38.03 | mheath | Oh! "ore mo Mecworks mo nihongo wakaru kara betsu ni tsukatte ii yo" |
| 05:40.27 | mheath | Mecworks...Something about Japan and Mecworks |
| 05:44.05 | mheath | If you're fluent in Japanese, though, I could use a bit of help. |
| 05:44.48 | Maquis | mheath: i think tensai went on his mission to japan, iirc |
| 05:45.20 | Maquis | so, he probably still speaks quite well... |
| 05:45.38 | Maquis | ~lart RMs for making byu language classes so insanely hard |
| 05:45.42 | usynic | Maquis, ended up getting a dlink dwl-g630 for $19.99 |
| 05:45.50 | usynic | ndiswrapper works well with it so far |
| 05:45.58 | usynic | this has been the easiest wireless card I've used yet |
| 05:46.00 | Maquis | nice! better deal than i got |
| 05:46.28 | mheath | ~lart PC Club for ripping mheath off |
| 05:47.18 | mheath | Maquis: *this* language class sucks |
| 05:47.48 | mheath | It's online. I have no idea what it will be later, but the assignments currently consist of watching videos (download) and filling out worksheets on them |
| 05:47.58 | Maquis | mheath: i'm one of 2 people in my chinese class who haven't lived in taiwan or hong kong or someplace like that for 2 years |
| 05:48.17 | mheath | The video is all extremely compressed |
| 05:48.24 | mheath | I have to strain to understand anything |
| 05:48.33 | Maquis | i actually understood some of what was going on today in class... the first time i've gotten anything from class so far |
| 05:48.38 | mheath | And even then, when I double check stuff, I've failed miserably at hearing them |
| 05:50.11 | mheath | How to say time |
| 05:50.28 | findlay | time has no more than trivial relavance in relativity |
| 05:50.48 | mheath | I'm okay with hours, thats just like.... ichi ji ... hachi ji, etc. |
| 05:50.59 | mheath | I don't understand the format for adding minutes, though |
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| 05:56.01 | mheath | Well, it's time I should head to sleep. |
| 05:56.20 | mheath | findlay, Maquis: dewa. |
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| 06:00.13 | Maquis | mheath: zaijian |
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| 06:00.47 | Slackware_man | does anyone live in provo |
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| 06:04.26 | Special_K | Yes |
| 06:04.48 | Special_K | Nearly 90000 people live in Provo. |
| 06:05.01 | Slackware_man | what part Special_K |
| 06:05.16 | Special_K | 9th East behind Gold's Gym. |
| 06:05.32 | Slackware_man | do you know where provost elementary is |
| 06:06.18 | Special_K | hmm. . . Public? |
| 06:06.42 | Slackware_man | you mean the school, oh ya |
| 06:08.35 | Slackware_man | i go there |
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| 06:09.31 | Slackware_man | is anyone here mormon |
| 06:09.38 | mheath | Slackware_man: to an elementary? Aren't you a little young to be on IRC? :D (I'm joking...) |
| 06:09.56 | Slackware_man | i'm 11 |
| 06:10.28 | mheath | That's still really young. But relax, I'm joking.. |
| 06:10.34 | Maquis | Slackware_man: a large percentage of this channel is mormon |
| 06:10.39 | Slackware_man | ok |
| 06:10.41 | Slackware_man | me too |
| 06:10.43 | Slackware_man | i guess |
| 06:10.49 | Slackware_man | i am very active |
| 06:11.13 | Slackware_man | does anyone here like physics |
| 06:11.46 | Slackware_man | my dad is a physics teacher at BYU |
| 06:11.54 | Maquis | what's your dad's name? |
| 06:11.58 | Maquis | (last name?) |
| 06:12.03 | Slackware_man | Peterson |
| 06:12.07 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 06:12.10 | Maquis | haven't had him myself |
| 06:12.10 | Slackware_man | Bryan is his first name |
| 06:12.26 | Maquis | jakea would be the person to talk to, but he's not around |
| 06:12.33 | Slackware_man | where are the PLUG meetings help |
| 06:12.38 | Slackware_man | *held |
| 06:12.47 | mheath | Bryan Peterson? Is he known for anything, or is he published? Name sounds really familiar. |
| 06:12.58 | mheath | Then again, it's probably a very common name. |
| 06:14.06 | usynic | mheath, aren't you young too, or were you just pulling xbmodder's leg? |
| 06:14.29 | mheath | usynic: I'm not nearly as young as Slackware_man |
| 06:15.07 | mheath | I didn't even know about IRC when I was his age |
| 06:15.19 | usynic | me neither. |
| 06:15.32 | Special_K | Don't think it existed back then. |
| 06:15.41 | Slackware_man | i didn't know until i got on PLUG website |
| 06:15.49 | mheath | Discovered it a year later, but for a long time I knew nothing more than "That's where the chatroom for the MMORPG I play is" |
| 06:16.01 | tensai | mheath: yeah, Mecworks and I served missions in Japan albeit at different times and places |
| 06:16.23 | Slackware_man | everybody guess when i got into linux |
| 06:16.25 | tensai | I'm up for some Japanese now and again, but it's been 6 years so I won't promise anything |
| 06:16.43 | mheath | tensai: ah! You might be a great help to me sometimes :) Hajimemashite. |
| 06:17.02 | usynic | Slackware_man, when? |
| 06:17.11 | Maquis | Slackware_man: probably at an earlier age than i did... :) |
| 06:17.14 | Slackware_man | 3rd grade |
| 06:17.33 | tensai | ~lart Maquis for being a late bloomer |
| 06:17.39 | mheath | Heh, 3rd grade. Computers were the last thing on my mind, then. |
| 06:17.40 | Slackware_man | i have used slackware and slackware |
| 06:17.45 | Slackware_man | only |
| 06:17.54 | Maquis | what's that about? |
| 06:18.06 | Maquis | i get larted for not even hearing about linux until the end of hs? |
| 06:18.08 | Maquis | man! |
| 06:18.10 | mheath | I remember...around 5th grade I got mildly interested in computers. Then I got a reputation for being a very fast typer... |
| 06:18.10 | tensai | we used to play Oregon Trail on Mac IIes in 3rd grade. I liked riding my bike. |
| 06:18.11 | Slackware_man | how old is everyone |
| 06:18.16 | Maquis | after all the work i've done, trying to catch up... |
| 06:18.42 | mheath | Then, I was reading a message board and read about something called a "UNIX Shell account" |
| 06:18.53 | mheath | Went in search of a free one, logged on, and was confused as hell |
| 06:18.54 | tensai | ~lart Maquis for complaining about being larted |
| 06:19.12 | mheath | But I persisted, and eventually learned about a mysterious thing called "Linux" :D |
| 06:19.44 | tensai | my first experience with Unix was when the sysadmin at the local college gave me root on their box. I didn't realize until years later what a fool he had been. |
| 06:20.03 | Maquis | he gave you root? |
| 06:20.06 | mheath | tensai: dozo yorishiku :) |
| 06:20.21 | Maquis | i can't even get the cs dept sysadmins to give me root... |
| 06:20.23 | tensai | Maquis: yup. NT admin, what can you say? |
| 06:20.29 | mheath | I give random people root access to my box |
| 06:20.34 | mheath | It's fun to watch |
| 06:20.36 | Slackware_man | i won't give my brother root on my computer for a reason(he will screw it over) |
| 06:20.39 | tensai | well, I /was/ nice to him |
| 06:20.39 | mheath | (People who don't know what they're doing) |
| 06:21.27 | Maquis | while learning the basics, i killed my computer so many times... |
| 06:21.47 | usynic | I killed other people's computers at first. |
| 06:21.47 | Slackware_man | When is the next PLUG meeting |
| 06:21.51 | Slackware_man | i want to go |
| 06:21.52 | tensai | Maquis: yeah, so did I. now I make a living at it. (computers or killing them, you decide) |
| 06:21.52 | usynic | when I didn't have my own. |
| 06:22.08 | Maquis | Slackware_man: i'm not sure, but i think people were saying its tomorrow |
| 06:22.11 | mheath | tensai: may I ask you a question? |
| 06:22.13 | tensai | Slackware_man: wednesday night, 7:30 |
| 06:22.15 | Maquis | i could be wrong though |
| 06:22.18 | Slackware_man | ok, where |
| 06:22.24 | tensai | mheath: sure |
| 06:22.34 | Maquis | i'll leave that one to tensai, since i don't know |
| 06:22.37 | tensai | viawest? |
| 06:22.46 | tensai | I'm sure it's not the cedo building anymore. |
| 06:22.47 | Slackware_man | where's that |
| 06:22.49 | Maquis | all i know is, it's close to sco |
| 06:22.58 | Slackware_man | i hate SCO |
| 06:23.06 | Maquis | we all do |
| 06:23.23 | mheath | tensai: could you explain the format of time? I understand how to give choodo hours, exact hours..choodo ichi ji, choodo hatchi ji, etc |
| 06:23.24 | tensai | Slackware_man: well, you'll love this. viawest is across the street from sco in lindon |
| 06:23.30 | Slackware_man | SCO is the bas*ard* of the earth |
| 06:23.41 | mheath | How would I give a time like, say....1:37? |
| 06:23.57 | tensai | ichi ji san ju nana fun |
| 06:24.12 | Special_K | That's why we have PLUG meetings right next door so We can thumb our noses at them. |
| 06:24.22 | tensai | just string them together |
| 06:24.25 | Slackware_man | what gender is everyone i'm boy |
| 06:24.33 | Maquis | or have street interviews with darl mcbride... |
| 06:24.40 | mheath | tensai: "fun"? Is that part of it? |
| 06:24.56 | Special_K | Maquis: what happened? |
| 06:25.21 | tensai | mheath: yes. means "minute". basically translates to "1 hour 37 minutes". |
| 06:25.32 | Maquis | Special_K: you didn't hear about the protest a year and a half ago or something, where darl came out and talked to them, and they got an interview on video? |
| 06:25.46 | Special_K | I saw the pictures of the protest |
| 06:25.50 | Slackware_man | how do i make it so my webserver can recognize index.php |
| 06:25.57 | Slackware_man | i use apache |
| 06:25.57 | tensai | claimed he had the "proof" right there in his hands but couldn't show anybody |
| 06:26.19 | dataw0lf | Slackware_man: do you have php installed? |
| 06:26.33 | Maquis | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68177&cid=6244813 |
| 06:26.36 | tensai | Slackware_man: in the httpd.conf find the DirectoryIndex directive and add index.php |
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| 06:26.38 | mheath | Ah! Doomo Arigatoo gozai masu, tensai |
| 06:27.05 | tensai | mheath: ton demo nai |
| 06:27.15 | dataw0lf | Slackware_man: and you might have to add a AddType as well. |
| 06:27.27 | Slackware_man | i did, well, my dad did |
| 06:27.31 | Slackware_man | doesn't work |
| 06:27.38 | tensai | did you reload? |
| 06:27.50 | dataw0lf | /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 06:27.52 | mheath | tensai: nani desu ka? "ton demo nai" wa eigo de nan desu ka? |
| 06:28.05 | Slackware_man | many times |
| 06:28.11 | tensai | mheath: "ain't no thing" |
| 06:28.48 | Slackware_man | anyone still in elementary or middle school |
| 06:29.05 | mheath | Slackware_man: xbmodder might be in middle school still. |
| 06:29.06 | tensai | ~seen xbmodder |
| 06:29.08 | ibot | xbmodder is currently on # (2m 31s) #utah (2m 31s) |
| 06:29.34 | mheath | tensai: ah, but thanks anyway |
| 06:30.11 | tensai | mheath: sure. it's kinda fun. I tried to teach my wife but she's not so interested. |
| 06:30.21 | mheath | My experience with Japanese right now is limited to bits and pieces I've picked up from a teacher/friend who is very fluent in Japanese, and a few short videos I've watched as part of an online course I'm taking |
| 06:30.37 | mheath | So, I appologize for my ignorance :) I am trying to improve. |
| 06:30.51 | tensai | everybody starts somewhere. even Maquis. |
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| 06:31.18 | Slackware_man | go to marvin.byu.edu and you can see my dad's website |
| 06:31.57 | tensai | mheath: if you want, I've got a bunch of japanese music I can hook you up with. |
| 06:32.06 | mheath | tensai: yeah, I've made huge improvements in just the last week or so |
| 06:32.12 | tensai | as for now, I gotta go to sleep |
| 06:32.25 | tensai | ganbatte ne |
| 06:32.37 | mheath | tensai: I'd be interested in that |
| 06:32.50 | mheath | "ganbatte"? "goodnight"? |
| 06:32.51 | tensai | mheath: ping me tomorrow |
| 06:32.57 | tensai | "hang in there" |
| 06:33.13 | tensai | goodnight would be "oyasumi" |
| 06:33.17 | mheath | Ah. Dewa |
| 06:33.59 | Maquis | hey! |
| 06:34.00 | Slackware_man | does anyone live by the elementary school Provost |
| 06:34.08 | Maquis | i wander off, and get picked on... |
| 06:34.43 | mheath | hmm |
| 06:35.07 | mheath | One thing VERY confusing about Japanese... |
| 06:35.16 | Slackware_man | how old is the youngest person at the PLUG meeting |
| 06:35.56 | mheath | I learn a new word like "oyasumi" from tensai, and I have no idea if it's polite, casual, appropriate for a superior to use when talking to an inferior, appropriate for anyone, etc |
| 06:36.16 | dataw0lf | I took japanese for 3 years in high school and I can't remember hardly anything. |
| 06:36.17 | mheath | Might be mildly rude for me to say it in some circumstances. I dunno. |
| 06:36.24 | Maquis | mheath: gotta love eastern languages... |
| 06:36.31 | dataw0lf | But I can speak Italian almost fluently, and can understand German pretty well. |
| 06:37.02 | mheath | dataw0lf: I'm going to Japan this summer...I'm hoping a month of practical usage will help keep my knowledge of it in place |
| 06:37.08 | mheath | and improve what little knowledge of it I have |
| 06:37.35 | dataw0lf | yeah, I lived in Germany for a while, it's easy to pick it up when you're actually living in a place. |
| 06:37.45 | mheath | I'm taking Japanese 1 and 2 online, for highschool credit...... |
| 06:38.18 | dataw0lf | My japanese teacher totally turned me off of japanese culture because she was incredibly biased. |
| 06:38.20 | mheath | The way the courses are structured and the curriculum is arranged, I should even be able to write somewhat. |
| 06:38.30 | dataw0lf | You couldn't even mention Pearl Harbor or should expound on how we deserved it. |
| 06:38.33 | dataw0lf | I'd get really pissed. |
| 06:38.50 | mheath | "We deserved it"? What the hell? |
| 06:38.54 | Slackware_man | i like japan |
| 06:38.55 | Slackware_man | where is the PLUG meeting tommorrow again |
| 06:38.58 | dataw0lf | Yeah, she was insane. |
| 06:39.13 | dataw0lf | So now _I'm_ biased against the Japanese. |
| 06:39.25 | dataw0lf | it just started as a counter balance to her and it stuck. |
| 06:39.42 | mheath | I mean, it was a fucked up government.. |
| 06:40.02 | dataw0lf | well that 'government' was basically Japanese culture. |
| 06:40.03 | dataw0lf | still is. |
| 06:40.07 | mheath | That's like someone who's interested in Russia's culture saying "Oh, all those people DESERVED what Stalin did." |
| 06:40.18 | Slackware_man | yah, i agree |
| 06:41.09 | mheath | dataw0lf: eh, I personally really ignore the WWII era when looking at Japan's history. Every country screws up. Every country does something bad some time in it's history. |
| 06:41.32 | Slackware_man | my dad went on a mission to germany |
| 06:41.33 | dataw0lf | mheath: That's true, but you can't ignore how imperialistic and basically racist the japanese culture is. |
| 06:41.43 | dataw0lf | Plus, I don't like uber politeness. |
| 06:41.46 | Slackware_man | am i being ignored |
| 06:41.57 | dataw0lf | Slackware_man: No. |
| 06:42.01 | dataw0lf | Slackware_man: where in Germany did he go? |
| 06:42.06 | Slackware_man | berlin |
| 06:42.06 | dataw0lf | Slackware_man: I was stationed in Hanau. |
| 06:42.11 | dataw0lf | Ah, up north. |
| 06:42.20 | dataw0lf | I was in the southwest, near Frankfurt. |
| 06:42.35 | Slackware_man | my dad was born in idaho |
| 06:42.48 | dataw0lf | My Dad was born in Italy. |
| 06:42.56 | Slackware_man | italy is cool |
| 06:43.04 | dataw0lf | Heh, I guess. |
| 06:43.08 | dataw0lf | anyways, I'm out. |
| 06:43.15 | Slackware_man | where is the meeting tommorrow |
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| 06:44.07 | Maquis | Slackware_man: i'd tell you, but i don't know |
| 06:44.14 | Maquis | does it say on the plug site? |
| 06:44.14 | Slackware_man | does anyone know |
| 06:44.20 | Slackware_man | no |
| 06:44.49 | Maquis | you could try /msg-ing jayce... he should reply in the morning |
| 06:45.13 | Slackware_man | ok |
| 06:45.18 | Maquis | good luck :) |
| 06:45.31 | mheath | I was just going to make a response to a discussion going on a short while ago, that I didn't get a chance to respond to at the time :) |
| 06:45.52 | mheath | Don't hate SCO. Hate SCO's legal department and officials. |
| 06:46.16 | Maquis | mheath: good point |
| 06:46.42 | xbmodder_ | anyone write perl? |
| 06:47.06 | mheath | xbmodder_: please tell me your using it for text processing. :D |
| 06:47.33 | mheath | That's my pet peive, people who use a text processing and report generating language for general programming |
| 06:47.38 | Slackware_man | on google, u used to be able to type "bastards" and hit the i'm "feeling lucky" and it would take you to SCO's website |
| 06:48.12 | xbmodder_ | haha |
| 06:48.45 | mheath | Slackware_man: That's mildly funny, but reflects people abusing google and in general making the search stuff worse |
| 06:49.04 | Slackware_man | yah, but i think google put it on there |
| 06:49.42 | mheath | Most of thost funny results reflect people adjusting their sites to make it so those particular keywords most frequently point to whatever they want |
| 06:50.04 | mheath | It's the same thing with the "Failure" -> George Bush + Michael Moore thing |
| 06:50.11 | mheath | And several others |
| 06:50.24 | mheath | Funny, but its a bad thing for searching overall |
| 06:50.48 | Slackware_man | and this "french war victories" thing they used to have, it would have a "don't you mean french war losses" |
| 06:51.17 | Slackware_man | who did everyone want for president |
| 06:51.22 | mheath | Slackware_man: That one I don't find funny |
| 06:51.26 | Slackware_man | i wanted bush, if i could vote |
| 06:51.33 | Slackware_man | niether do i |
| 06:51.47 | Slackware_man | i like old france, but not new france |
| 06:52.19 | Slackware_man | i'm logging off |
| 06:52.52 | mheath | Dewa, #utah |
| 08:21.18 | goozbach | ~superlart bad ide controllers for destroying the drives attached |
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| 14:33.31 | Maquis | apple has nice stuff |
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| 15:49.16 | *** topic/#utah by Jayce^ -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, etc. || PLUG meeting tonight |
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| 16:04.06 | hans | minam|work: we're all working, what aren't studenting. |
| 16:04.28 | hans | mysterious silence is so much more fun, imho, when you can't respond for awhile |
| 16:05.22 | bbeattie | Alright. I'm no gpg guru so if I'm being asked for "name:ssl key:gpg" to get cvs commit access, could someone explain what this would be? :) |
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| 16:08.54 | minam|work | hans: indeed :) |
| 16:09.30 | hans | you need ssl and gpg? |
| 16:09.49 | hans | or is that ssh? that would make more sense |
| 16:10.25 | hans | [ -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ] || ssh-keygen |
| 16:10.29 | hans | cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 16:10.36 | hans | #there's your ssh key |
| 16:11.14 | hans | for gpg they want your public key. if you don't have gpg set up already, grab gpa |
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| 16:23.35 | hans | ~lart sjansen for fun |
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| 16:31.59 | bbeattie | how's gpa differ from gpg? And how long should someone make a key valid for? |
| 16:34.14 | sjansen | gpa is a wrapper program around gpg |
| 16:36.01 | hans | bbeattie: forever |
| 16:36.21 | hans | you can revoke whenever you feel like it, but it's a real pain to have your key expire just when you've got the hang of things |
| 16:36.24 | sjansen | well.... depends on how paranoid someone is |
| 16:37.50 | hans | true, and its use. If I were to make a key for work here, where I know I won't be around in a year, I'd set an expiration date for that |
| 16:37.50 | bbeattie | What's a good "comment" phrase? |
| 16:37.58 | sjansen | I usually leave it blank |
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| 17:01.41 | macnewbold | bbeattie: my comment is usually just enough for me to differentiate it from my other keys... a default I've seen is user@hostname.domain.com |
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| 17:48.58 | hans | so you should only have one wins server. Is that per-network or |
| 17:48.58 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.52 | tensai | per domain |
| 17:50.05 | tensai | but you can have backup wins servers |
| 17:50.58 | tensai | think of it like a bastardized version of dns, which it is. you can have a wins server per network but they all need to reflect the same hosts. |
| 17:51.12 | tensai | since wins is a read/write service it's easier to do with a single wins server |
| 17:55.22 | hans | ok, so if I have two domains on my network, I can configure both samba servers to do wins |
| 17:55.34 | tensai | yeah |
| 17:55.50 | hans | (samba doesn't do wins replication yet, so you only ever want one samba wins server per domain0 |
| 17:56.53 | goozbach | in a heterogenious enviroment it's best to have a windows box act as your wins server. |
| 17:57.09 | goozbach | (some windows machines freak out at a samba wins server) |
| 17:57.20 | hans | does 2k or 9x or xp pro do wins? |
| 17:57.27 | hans | define freak out. :) |
| 17:57.48 | tensai | active directory replaces wins, but only 2k and xp clients can use it |
| 17:58.03 | goozbach | they don't see all the smb hosts |
| 17:58.06 | hans | by do wins I meant act as wins server |
| 17:58.22 | goozbach | something to do with netbios foo of some sort |
| 17:58.27 | hans | i got the impression from the samba docs that only 2003server and xp server and NT boxes could be wins servers |
| 17:58.45 | goozbach | let me see if I can find that doc that I used to solve my problem. |
| 17:59.29 | hans | so can you cross-subnet browse between different workgroups/domains |
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| 18:00.04 | tensai | hans: that's correct. 9x clients can't be a wins server. it's a separate service on the others. |
| 18:00.12 | hans | but say w2k can? |
| 18:00.40 | tensai | yes. I've used w2k as a wins server before. you just have to install the service. |
| 18:01.49 | hans | ok, great. you guys are more helpful than #samba. ;-) |
| 18:02.57 | hans | wel it's better than trying to do it without knowing it. :) |
| 18:03.44 | tensai | it's the not wanting to ever do that thing |
| 18:05.48 | hans | so if subnet A workgroup A and subnet B workgroup B, can machines on B browse the A workgroup? |
| 18:07.15 | tensai | if they're on the same wins server, maybe. I've never tried. otherwise no. |
| 18:08.07 | hans | hmm. how could they share wins servers though, if wins only serves one workgroup/domain |
| 18:08.48 | tensai | that's just it. I don't know. but *if* it could be done, then they might be able to browse. |
| 18:10.55 | goozbach | SMB is such a fun protocol |
| 18:10.56 | hans | hmm. dhcp can serve up multiple netbios-name-servers (wins servers) and I seem to recall windows lets you specify more than one. Maybe that's a way |
| 18:11.24 | hans | actually samba lets you specify more than one wins server tool |
| 18:11.26 | hans | er, too. |
| 18:11.43 | hans | yeah, fun like playing axis and allies |
| 18:12.05 | Bradipo | Axis and Allies... |
| 18:12.09 | Bradipo | That's a fun game. |
| 18:12.16 | hans | for masochists. ;-) |
| 18:12.22 | Bradipo | No, its great. |
| 18:12.33 | Bradipo | But then I was also a RPG gamer too. |
| 18:12.54 | Bradipo | Fortress America is another fun one. |
| 18:13.00 | Bradipo | But out of print (I still have a copy). |
| 18:13.27 | hans | my bros love it. I've tried to play it but no luck yet |
| 18:13.42 | Bradipo | Well, if you aren't into long patient requiring games, it won't be fun. |
| 18:13.51 | Bradipo | patience rather. |
| 18:14.42 | hans | operation was a patient-requiring game |
| 18:14.55 | hans | ~lart lukfugl |
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| 18:20.25 | hans | lukfugl: have you met minam|work? |
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| 18:32.36 | lukfugl | hans: define met? I know who minam is, and have met him personally, but haven't been to his work :) |
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| 19:27.47 | synic | any of you know anything about minipci cards? |
| 19:29.52 | fozz | They're... small. |
| 19:29.55 | fozz | ;-) |
| 19:30.27 | synic | :P |
| 19:30.43 | goozbach | and there's one in my laptop at the moment |
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| 19:39.54 | dataw0lf | synic: how's arch working out for you? |
| 19:39.58 | dataw0lf | synic: you wuss. |
| 19:40.03 | synic | dataw0lf, well |
| 19:41.32 | dataw0lf | synic: and tell xilch that I fully support him in his opinion of Apple now. |
| 19:41.55 | synic | he's not in today |
| 19:42.00 | synic | the pansy called in sick |
| 19:42.14 | dataw0lf | so is he really sick or what? |
| 19:42.37 | synic | yeah |
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| 19:43.43 | dataw0lf | synic: man, working from home is so relaxing. |
| 19:43.45 | JoshH | hello uE|bdogg |
| 19:43.53 | uE|bdogg | hi friend |
| 19:47.16 | sjansen | Is lunch over already? Should we get, like, siesta breaks too? |
| 19:47.51 | bdogg | not for the grunts of course |
| 19:48.32 | fozz | dataw0lf: working from home is nice. |
| 19:48.51 | fozz | it gets better if you get paid for it. |
| 19:49.00 | dataw0lf | fozz: Yeah, that's the best part. |
| 19:49.10 | fozz | I've been in both situations. :) |
| 19:49.16 | fozz | Right now it's somewhere in between. |
| 19:49.31 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 19:49.38 | dataw0lf | I didn't know there was an inbetween. |
| 19:49.42 | dataw0lf | Are you hoping to make money? |
| 19:49.46 | fozz | Yeah- where you're working at home... |
| 19:49.53 | fozz | and you might get paid from time to time. :) |
| 19:50.42 | bdogg | k dumbest class ever. "1st assignment for 20 points. Tell me (the instructor) in 4 complete sentences what you want." |
| 19:50.58 | dataw0lf | I could do it in three words. |
| 19:51.03 | fozz | Is it work safe? |
| 19:51.05 | bdogg | next week we make a collage of what we are and what we want to be |
| 19:51.16 | bdogg | keep in mind this is a COLLEGE course... |
| 19:51.37 | dataw0lf | Well, I assumed so. |
| 19:51.39 | fozz | bdogg: You need to learn to express yourself in versatile ways. :-) |
| 19:51.53 | hans | bdogg: sounds like a collage course to me |
| 19:51.55 | hans | what course? |
| 19:52.11 | JoshH | heh, 3 words |
| 19:52.15 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 19:52.17 | levi | hans: Yuk, yuk, yuk. |
| 19:52.24 | dataw0lf | 'I want sex' |
| 19:52.29 | fozz | I knew it! |
| 19:52.32 | dataw0lf | or, to get extra credit, make it five words. |
| 19:52.38 | dataw0lf | 'I want sex... from you' |
| 19:52.46 | hans | "I want" is redundant. that was part of the question |
| 19:52.54 | fozz | Then it's just one word. :) |
| 19:52.57 | JoshH | sex, food, sleep, computers |
| 19:52.59 | fozz | Pretty snappy. |
| 19:53.02 | JoshH | the 4 necessities for life |
| 19:53.31 | fozz | sex, food, computers, network |
| 19:53.47 | fozz | Oh... for me, bathtub with hot water. |
| 19:54.02 | Jayce^ | very hot water |
| 19:54.10 | JoshH | "computers" being an all encompassing term that includes the internet, linux, half life 2, etc |
| 19:54.18 | fozz | Or one of those recirculating heater things... |
| 19:54.19 | sjansen | Was is life without high pressue hot showers? |
| 19:54.27 | fozz | So you don't have to let the water out and put more hotwater in. |
| 19:54.42 | fozz | sjansen: Was is! |
| 19:54.50 | sjansen | s/Was/What/ |
| 19:55.11 | bdogg | it's LE 1020, Learning Enhancement, Essentials of College Study |
| 19:55.33 | bdogg | it's great because it's my last semester at slcc so it's like...wow...good thing I am learning these now |
| 19:55.38 | fozz | Ahhh. Should be "learning how to jump through hoops- your guide to making it through college." |
| 19:55.41 | sjansen | Also know as TYTAM 101 (taking your time and money) |
| 19:55.56 | bdogg | hahah |
| 19:56.07 | JoshH | i only did one semester at slcc... the "cs1010" course covered word, excel, access, powerpoint, and thats it. :( |
| 19:56.22 | bdogg | that's now cis1020 |
| 19:56.27 | bdogg | and they almost made me take that :( |
| 19:56.31 | JoshH | heh |
| 19:56.57 | bdogg | and I was like "uhmm I took CS 1810 and got an A..anyway we can make a substitution?" "no" came the response |
| 19:57.01 | hans | bdogg: lol, how did you survive college without those collage-making skillz |
| 19:57.04 | hans | ? |
| 19:57.19 | bdogg | I don't know...perhaps one day after much meditation I will get it |
| 19:57.21 | hans | one of the bishopric quoted napoleon dynamite in priesthood opening excercises this week. :) |
| 19:57.28 | bdogg | hah |
| 19:57.32 | fozz | bdogg: What kind of programming do they teach at SLCC? |
| 19:57.36 | bdogg | BOTH of my teachers quoted him yesterday |
| 19:57.40 | fozz | Is it all VB? |
| 19:57.50 | fozz | hans: Cool! :) |
| 19:58.02 | bdogg | I took CS 1810 ONCE and it was C++ at the time, then I went back to retake and get a better grade and it was java programming |
| 19:58.02 | JoshH | i still havent seen nd |
| 19:58.17 | fozz | What was it? "Just bring me some chapstick! IDIOT!" |
| 19:58.17 | bdogg | JoshH: you haven't lived |
| 19:58.28 | bdogg | my bishop's wife cried because she felt bad for napoleon |
| 19:58.34 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 19:58.37 | bdogg | she's a very caring woman |
| 19:58.55 | hans | lol |
| 19:58.57 | fozz | napoleon doesn't want anyone's pity. |
| 19:59.04 | JoshH | ive heard some people say its the most hilarious movie ever, and ive heard others say its the worst movie ever. |
| 19:59.05 | bdogg | he does better without it |
| 19:59.10 | bdogg | he's a rebel |
| 19:59.13 | fozz | It's definitely a polarizer. |
| 19:59.21 | hans | what's the catchline, out to prove he's got nothing to prove |
| 19:59.32 | fozz | I enjoyed the cinematics of the film... |
| 19:59.45 | bdogg | I think it's a one of a kind movie. The first tim I saw it I laughed probably at half the jokes. The second time I laughed harder, third time laughed harder, etc etc. |
| 19:59.47 | fozz | and having lived in Cache Valley for 12 years, I enjoyed the scenery. |
| 20:00.03 | bdogg | not like most movies that you watch em once and you are like "okay that was great but ill never see it again" |
| 20:00.07 | hans | fozz: they (the stake) were looking for "mentors" to sign up to help kids with this super big crazy youth do creative stuff for joseph smith bicentennial or something |
| 20:00.12 | fozz | I want to track down this Hess guy (he lives in Draper) and throw myself at his feet. |
| 20:00.20 | fozz | I want to work with/for him. |
| 20:00.23 | bdogg | my sister-in-law is from newton and all she talks about is how napoleon relates to cache valley |
| 20:00.40 | hans | so he said after, be sure to sign up your skills. I know a lot of you have great skills. like bowhunting skills, numchuck skills, computer hacking skills... |
| 20:00.45 | fozz | Yep. They drank the Gossner's shelf-safe milk in the lunchroom. |
| 20:00.54 | fozz | They ate at the Big J's drive in - that's in Richmond. |
| 20:01.07 | bdogg | that;s what she tells me |
| 20:01.09 | fozz | hans: Hah! |
| 20:01.10 | bdogg | and I believe her |
| 20:01.18 | bdogg | because I have been to cache valley a total of 5 times |
| 20:01.34 | JoshH | cache valley... thats logan right? |
| 20:01.37 | fozz | I called my sister this morning (she lives in Hyrum) |
| 20:01.41 | bdogg | yeah |
| 20:01.41 | fozz | JoshH: Yeah. |
| 20:01.42 | bdogg | usu |
| 20:01.44 | JoshH | i know cache valley cheese is good |
| 20:01.48 | fozz | Wished her a happy birthday. |
| 20:01.52 | bdogg | amen JoshH! |
| 20:01.55 | fozz | She says the snow is piled so high in Hyrum... |
| 20:02.05 | fozz | You can't see the grocery store from the road. |
| 20:02.11 | bdogg | werd |
| 20:02.24 | hans | sounds like when I lived in michigan |
| 20:02.27 | fozz | My partner Mike (he lives in Mendon) says he was talking to a guy who was shoveling 40-inches of snow off his roof. |
| 20:02.39 | hans | you couldn't see jack from the road |
| 20:02.42 | bdogg | my friend lives in a riverbed in saint george...but he says it's a river that flows south to north so it's not flooded because it's only raining in the north |
| 20:03.06 | hans | but you could make killer snow tunnels in the snow banks |
| 20:03.09 | hans | and jump off the roof into the snow |
| 20:03.16 | hans | and cross-country ski to work. |
| 20:03.19 | fozz | My daughter wants us to move back to Hyrum. |
| 20:03.37 | fozz | She said to my wife, "You and dad should get jobs at the gas station (in Hyrum) so we can move back to Hyrum." |
| 20:03.49 | fozz | She |
| 20:03.54 | fozz | She's jealous of all the snow they've got. |
| 20:04.27 | fozz | JoshH: I stop by Gossner's to buy cheese every time I'm in Logan. |
| 20:05.05 | fozz | Every time I go to Logan, some family member wants me to stop and get some. |
| 20:05.43 | fozz | Can't get a 2 lb block of cheddar for under $4 at local stores. |
| 20:05.43 | JoshH | ive only driven past logan, ive never actually been there |
| 20:05.51 | bdogg | hey fozz, next time you're up there hook me up kthx |
| 20:06.01 | fozz | bdogg: Sure. you like squeaky cheese?! :) |
| 20:06.05 | JoshH | but if the cheese at gossners is good, ill stop there next time i have a chance. |
| 20:06.19 | fozz | Oh yeah. |
| 20:06.31 | bdogg | im a fan of the squeaky cheese |
| 20:06.34 | bdogg | nothing better |
| 20:06.39 | JoshH | 2 pounds for 4 bucks eh? |
| 20:06.43 | fozz | Everything from pepperjack, swiss, cheddar, monterey jack, etc. |
| 20:06.50 | hans | fozz: would you ear one of those cool blue jump suits with a red circle logo patch thing on it? |
| 20:06.53 | fozz | yeah- 2 pounds around here is like, what? $6? $7? |
| 20:07.05 | fozz | hans: Uhm... why? |
| 20:07.12 | hans | when you go to work at the gas station |
| 20:07.16 | fozz | hee hee. |
| 20:07.33 | hans | don't tell me you're turning down an opportunity like that |
| 20:08.42 | fozz | I'm considering all opportunities. :) |
| 20:10.32 | Jayce^ | mm, tillamook cheese |
| 20:10.52 | levi | Mmm, cheese. |
| 20:12.43 | JoshH | tillamook is good too, but overrated imo |
| 20:12.59 | levi | I like fresh mozzarella. |
| 20:13.04 | JoshH | i couldnt tell a difference between tillamook and cache valley in a blind taste test |
| 20:13.36 | levi | I also like white stilton w/cranberries. |
| 20:13.44 | levi | And parrano. |
| 20:13.58 | levi | And port salut is pretty good, and very spreadable. |
| 20:14.06 | JoshH | i had some good havarti a couple nights ago |
| 20:15.44 | Bradipo | levi: nowhere to get really good fresh mozzarella around here though. |
| 20:16.00 | Bradipo | The best is mozzarella di bufala, but that is even more rare here. |
| 20:16.40 | Jayce^ | JoshH, you need to go to tillamook to get it right though |
| 20:17.32 | Bradipo | And I agree that tillamook is overrated. |
| 20:18.02 | Jayce^ | heathens :) |
| 20:18.06 | JoshH | heh |
| 20:18.15 | JoshH | i might be taking a trip to oregon sometime this year actually |
| 20:18.22 | JoshH | how far is tillamook from portland |
| 20:18.31 | Jayce^ | hour or so |
| 20:18.45 | Jayce^ | if you are taking a trip to the coast, maybe astoria, I'd plan on it |
| 20:18.47 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I might actually be better ``local'' than what you get in the stores. |
| 20:19.24 | Bradipo | s/I/It/ |
| 20:19.47 | Jayce^ | yes, but that goes for all of them |
| 20:22.56 | levi | Bradipo: I got some at Juhl Haus or something like that. |
| 20:23.09 | levi | Bradipo: Cool place; they let you sample all their cheeses. |
| 20:23.26 | JoshH | the juhl haus on foothill? |
| 20:23.30 | levi | Yeah. |
| 20:23.49 | JoshH | cool, i live down the street from there... if i knew they had samples i would have gone there all the time |
| 20:25.17 | levi | JoshH: All the cheese is in an open cooler thing, and you talk to the girl behind the counter about the cheeses you're interested in, and she'll offer samples of the ones you want to try. |
| 20:25.32 | JoshH | im so there. |
| 20:25.43 | levi | Then when you want to buy some, she'll slice it off the wheel or portion thereof right in front of you and wrap it up. |
| 20:25.55 | fozz | levi: Is she cute? |
| 20:25.57 | levi | So you can get the exact amount you want. |
| 20:25.59 | JoshH | do they have meat and crackers too? |
| 20:26.22 | levi | fozz: It's been a long time, so I don't remember for sure, but I don't think she was too bad to look at. |
| 20:26.30 | fozz | I love it when a good lookin girl cuts the cheese. :) |
| 20:26.32 | levi | Yeah, they've got lots of cured meats. |
| 20:26.47 | levi | I didn't check their cracker selection too closely, but it's probably good. |
| 20:26.55 | levi | They also have imported chocolates and other foodstuffs. |
| 20:27.09 | JoshH | maybe ill get some stuff at juhl haus for my superbowl munchies. |
| 20:27.25 | levi | They do (or did, at least, when I checked) fondue nights. |
| 20:29.18 | levi | I don't get there often, since there's a place much closer to me (Pirate O's) that has plenty of good stuff. The cheese setup isn't nearly as nice there, though. |
| 20:38.08 | Bradipo | levi: never heard of Juhl Haus, I'll have to give it a try. |
| 20:38.20 | Bradipo | Unfortunately, there aren't many places like that down here in Happy Valley. |
| 20:38.58 | Bradipo | http://www.juhlhaus.com/dept/cheese/index.html |
| 20:39.03 | Bradipo | Their website needs a little work... |
| 20:39.35 | JoshH | heh, trade them some web dev for a few wheels of cheese. |
| 20:39.45 | Bradipo | If only I were a web developer... |
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| 20:40.01 | Bradipo | I would totally go for my own wheel of fresh parmigiano reggiano. |
| 20:40.16 | JoshH | mmmm |
| 20:40.40 | JoshH | well, i cant take it anymore. im going to lunch. |
| 20:41.28 | levi | That is one of the many reasons I'm glad I'm not in Happy Valley. :) |
| 20:44.08 | Bradipo | I don't mind the drive, but I never have time to drive. |
| 20:45.16 | levi | Well, whenever you're in the area, Juhl Haus is definitely worth a visit. |
| 20:45.51 | hans | anyone know any good help desk/inventory/issue-tracking software. free is good, but it doesn't have to be. just needs to work in linux. something along the lines of Intuit Track-It! |
| 20:47.56 | fozz | *sighs* |
| 20:48.14 | fozz | Just got my first thanks-but-we're-gonna-hire-someone-else letter. |
| 20:48.18 | Bradipo | I'll have to remember that. |
| 20:48.22 | fozz | (for this round) |
| 20:48.45 | fozz | I would feel worse if it wasn't mailed to me as a Word doc attachment. |
| 20:48.52 | hans | yikes |
| 20:48.55 | fozz | That made me feel a LOT better about not getting the job. |
| 20:48.59 | hans | be glad you didn't work there |
| 20:49.19 | fozz | Well, they were looking for someone to re-architect stuff. |
| 20:50.23 | fozz | If anyone knows of any local places in need of a fozz, please let me know. |
| 20:50.50 | fozz | If I don't get something in the next week or two, the bishop's gonna be getting a call. |
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| 20:51.01 | Bradipo | What are you looking for? |
| 20:51.05 | fozz | Anything. |
| 20:51.33 | fozz | My company is probably going to be able to support me this year... but not Q1 |
| 20:51.50 | Jayce^ | fozz, need to call up dhandy again.. |
| 20:51.56 | Jayce^ | slacker just needs to hire you |
| 20:52.22 | fozz | I think this company that vetoed me today was worried about me leaving them high and dry. |
| 20:53.07 | fozz | Bradipo: Anything. software, admin... design... |
| 20:53.14 | fozz | butt-wiping... if it pays well. :) |
| 20:53.38 | sjansen | fozz: you have to be trained to wipe butts |
| 20:54.11 | fozz | Damnit. |
| 20:54.44 | Bradipo | fozz: Well, I wish I could say we were hiring; but you may not want to work for the enemy anyway. ;-) |
| 20:54.44 | Jayce^ | do you have a degree in that? |
| 20:54.47 | sjansen | The good news is you can get the training evenings over the course of about two months. |
| 20:55.18 | sjansen | Jayce^: Actually, my brother is a nurse-something or other. He's trained and licensed to wipe butts (among other things). |
| 20:55.53 | fozz | Bradipo: You work for John Kerry? |
| 20:55.57 | goozbach | nurses aid |
| 20:56.00 | sjansen | The totem pole being Doctor doesn't want to do it, so he tells a real nurse to, real nurse doesn't want to, so nurse tells nurses aid to. |
| 20:56.04 | macnewbold | sjansen: nurse practitioner? or CNA Certified Nurse's Asst. ? |
| 20:56.13 | goozbach | cna |
| 20:56.26 | sjansen | fozz: worse, SCO |
| 20:56.51 | fozz | Hmmm. I've been laid off from enough companies without expecting it. |
| 20:57.06 | fozz | At SCO I'd know it was coming. :) |
| 20:57.09 | sjansen | "How do we know you won't try to destroy us from within?" "You don't." |
| 20:57.24 | fozz | Day 2: We're experiencing a cash crunch. Gonna have to let you go. |
| 20:58.33 | sjansen | http://www.mlive.com/news/fljournal/index.ssf?/base/news-25/1105114924233130.xml |
| 21:02.17 | sjansen | Man, talk about crazy. |
| 21:02.45 | bdogg | so did you all here how big the spending defecit that the kerry campaign convinced us the bush administration was into? |
| 21:04.06 | bdogg | I heard it was around a 1 billion dollar, surplus |
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| 21:04.46 | fozz | sjansen: That is crazy. |
| 21:04.57 | fozz | Even a Mustang aint worth it. |
| 21:05.17 | fozz | bdogg: It's not unusual to run a deficit when the country's at war. |
| 21:06.01 | Bradipo | I'm not a Kerry fan, but neither am I a Bush fan. |
| 21:06.11 | Bradipo | I think way too much spending goes on in the government these days. |
| 21:06.24 | bdogg | I was making the point that the propaganda that bush is some incredible spender that just runs us into debt was a lie :( |
| 21:06.33 | sjansen | apologies to everyone being asked for info to go with the article, it didn't prompt me |
| 21:06.40 | bdogg | anywho, I wonder what they will do to this criminal who stole that doods car |
| 21:06.52 | fozz | Maybe they'll drag him behind a car. |
| 21:06.55 | fozz | ;-) |
| 21:06.56 | bdogg | if I was DA I would go for something like attempted murder for the dood who was hanging on |
| 21:07.01 | fozz | Oh yeah. |
| 21:07.09 | bdogg | only if we had orrin hatch on the supreme court would they do that fozz |
| 21:07.28 | sjansen | It might not be unusual to run a deficit during war, but right after tax breaks with the value of the dollar slipping it ain't exactly a sign of health. |
| 21:07.39 | fozz | Hatch would say, "Have him sit at a computer and try to download an MP3 of one of my songs. Then the computer will explode." |
| 21:07.50 | Bradipo | sjansen: It apparently doesn't know that 1100 is a zip code. |
| 21:07.54 | Bradipo | It won't let me in with it. |
| 21:07.55 | bdogg | our car got stolen when the keys were in it and it was idling, we saw the guy liks 4 days later and chased him down with the police, they arrested him, he said 'I borrowed the car." end of story, he wasn't prosecuted |
| 21:08.12 | fozz | oh wow. |
| 21:08.23 | bdogg | yeah, it's gay |
| 21:08.36 | bdogg | liberal judges need to find another profession |
| 21:08.37 | fozz | So, if you see an unattended car idling, it's up for grabs? |
| 21:08.40 | bdogg | yes |
| 21:08.41 | bdogg | it is |
| 21:08.44 | fozz | COOL! |
| 21:08.47 | bdogg | you borrowed it |
| 21:08.51 | bdogg | this also includes bicycles |
| 21:09.07 | fozz | Now, if this were a communist country, that would make sense. :) |
| 21:09.20 | bdogg | maybe it is and we don't know it? |
| 21:09.33 | Bradipo | fozz: How about socialist? |
| 21:09.34 | fozz | NOoooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 21:09.39 | bdogg | anyway the dood had a 5,000 fine over his head and a warrant out for his arrest when the cops caught him |
| 21:09.45 | Bradipo | That's where we're heading in this train. |
| 21:09.59 | bdogg | he aso hid cocaine in the car and smoked in it and he's a general jerk |
| 21:10.15 | bdogg | whoever thought of prisoner's rights for a guy like that seriously has a bleeding heart... |
| 21:10.25 | sjansen | good book |
| 21:10.33 | synic | yes it was :) |
| 21:10.35 | synic | er... is |
| 21:10.44 | fozz | Good... long... book. |
| 21:10.47 | sjansen | Although I'm not sure why you're hitting Bradipo with it. |
| 21:11.03 | bdogg | for fun? |
| 21:11.12 | sjansen | He seemed to be merely stating fact, not defending socialism. |
| 21:11.33 | Jayce^ | ooh, sjansen's turn to get hit :-p |
| 21:11.53 | Jayce^ | "windows unleashed" |
| 21:11.55 | fozz | Lot of people are promoting socialism these days without realizting it. |
| 21:12.06 | fozz | SENDMAIL 4rd ed! |
| 21:12.10 | fozz | 4rd? |
| 21:12.10 | Bradipo | And I am clearly not promoting socialism. |
| 21:12.15 | Jayce^ | ford edition? |
| 21:12.19 | Jayce^ | 4th |
| 21:12.36 | Jayce^ | anybody else?? |
| 21:13.11 | synic | hrmm, well my reason was this. The only thing I know about our country eventually becoming Socialist comes from Atlas Shrugged |
| 21:13.14 | synic | which was a fiction book |
| 21:13.15 | Jayce^ | later folks, see y'all tonight |
| 21:13.22 | fozz | BYE! |
| 21:13.26 | fozz | WE LOVE YOU JAYCE^! |
| 21:13.39 | synic | and Ayn seemed a bit paranoid and over opinionated |
| 21:13.42 | Bradipo | synic: I see, from the reviews I couldn't see how it was at all related. :-) |
| 21:14.18 | sjansen | So you haven't noticed the drug subsidy Bush recently supported? |
| 21:14.35 | synic | sjansen, no. I'm very unpolitical |
| 21:14.46 | synic | I don't watch the news. |
| 21:14.47 | sjansen | Or the madness Democrats are trying to pursue with social security? |
| 21:15.41 | fozz | social security. Now there's a mad idea. |
| 21:15.58 | fozz | ;-) |
| 21:16.05 | sjansen | The original idea was good, left to grow unchecked it is ticking bomb. |
| 21:16.07 | levi | Ayn Rand seemed to be pretty popular around BYU. I only read one of her short stories, but it was far too preachy for me. |
| 21:16.33 | synic | Atlas Shrugged is very preachy - in fact, a speech given by one of the main characters at the end is like 24 pages long |
| 21:16.39 | Bradipo | synic: I don't blame you for not watching the news. |
| 21:16.44 | fozz | If I were president (heaven forbid), I would try to get something passed like, "If you put off claiming social security until you're 70 or 75, you'll get 20% more a month." |
| 21:16.53 | Bradipo | Too politically swayed in the wrong direction. |
| 21:16.56 | synic | and even though I'm not interested in politics, I really really liked the book. |
| 21:17.06 | fozz | Very good book. |
| 21:17.09 | fozz | Not very realistic. |
| 21:17.18 | fozz | But fascinating, nonetheless. |
| 21:17.24 | Bradipo | And yes, social security is morally wrong and should be illegal. |
| 21:17.26 | sjansen | But it makes it's point effectively. |
| 21:17.33 | fozz | uh huh. |
| 21:18.05 | Bradipo | I should be given the chance to opt out. |
| 21:18.05 | fozz | Hmm. Maybe I should read it again with all the free time I've got. |
| 21:18.05 | sjansen | Bradipo: So you'd like to work until you old and wasted? |
| 21:18.08 | Bradipo | I could be a whole lot wealthier had I not been dumping all that money into a bottomless pit all these years. |
| 21:18.28 | Bradipo | sjansen: I would like the freedom to choose to save money how I want. |
| 21:18.33 | Bradipo | It is after all, my money. |
| 21:18.35 | Bradipo | I earned it. |
| 21:18.49 | sjansen | Social security wasn't meant for you, it was meant for all the low payed workers your higher standard of living depends on. |
| 21:18.55 | fozz | :) |
| 21:19.10 | Bradipo | sjansen: That is entirely skewed. |
| 21:19.16 | sjansen | No, it isn't. |
| 21:19.19 | Bradipo | low paid workes don't depend on my higher standard of living. |
| 21:19.26 | fozz | middle-class, upper-class retirees can't survive on social security. |
| 21:19.30 | sjansen | Your higher standard of living depends on them. |
| 21:19.37 | fozz | That's why they're expected to invest in IRAs and 401ks. |
| 21:19.50 | Bradipo | No it doesn't. |
| 21:20.05 | fozz | oh boy. |
| 21:20.07 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:20.19 | sjansen | Really? Bought any oranges recently? |
| 21:20.23 | fozz | "You need air to breathe!" "No I don't!" |
| 21:20.24 | Bradipo | No. |
| 21:20.24 | levi | This should be a fun discussion. I'm staying out of it, though. |
| 21:20.26 | sjansen | How about sugar? |
| 21:20.29 | Bradipo | Oranges in America suck. |
| 21:20.49 | Bradipo | At least oranges in Utah. |
| 21:20.56 | sjansen | Fine, sugar than. |
| 21:20.57 | fozz | *sings* "Oranges in America! Woo!" |
| 21:21.05 | Bradipo | Don't tell me that I am supporting exploited workers who barely make a dime a day. |
| 21:21.11 | sjansen | You are. |
| 21:21.14 | Bradipo | BS. |
| 21:21.22 | fozz | And they love you for it. :) |
| 21:21.36 | sjansen | Eat fast food? |
| 21:21.42 | sjansen | Shop at Walmart? |
| 21:21.46 | fozz | hee hee. |
| 21:21.48 | Bradipo | So you are saying that prices should be arbitrarily pushed higher so they will have a higher standard of living because they are so poor? |
| 21:21.54 | Bradipo | Yeah, walmart is great. |
| 21:22.00 | Bradipo | Best thing to happen to the economy in a long time. |
| 21:22.04 | fozz | Yeah- wal*mart employees only have social security to look forward to. :) |
| 21:22.07 | sjansen | Now imagine how much all that stuff would cost if the people producing it, or providing the service were payed as much as you are. |
| 21:22.15 | Bradipo | So is Taco Bell because they buy cheap tomatoes. |
| 21:22.19 | Bradipo | So they can have cheap tacos. |
| 21:22.40 | sjansen | I'm saying everyone should have the right to retire someday. |
| 21:22.49 | Bradipo | Right, and they have the right. |
| 21:22.51 | sjansen | But some don't make enough to invest in retirement. |
| 21:22.54 | Bradipo | They don't need to goverment to force it. |
| 21:22.57 | Bradipo | That is morally wrong. |
| 21:23.01 | fozz | I agree with that. |
| 21:23.02 | sjansen | No, it isn't. |
| 21:23.05 | sjansen | It's socially responsible. |
| 21:23.06 | Bradipo | The government has no business doing that. |
| 21:23.11 | Bradipo | It is not socially responsible. |
| 21:23.16 | sjansen | Do you realize how little social security actually pays? |
| 21:23.19 | Bradipo | It is economically insanne and a social bane. |
| 21:23.19 | fozz | I think the government should give people theo ption... |
| 21:23.24 | Bradipo | Yes, I do. |
| 21:23.33 | Bradipo | But do you realize how much social security takes out of my paycheck? |
| 21:23.36 | fozz | and should provide incentives for people to put off retirement if they are able (and want to keep working) |
| 21:23.37 | sjansen | It's not like retirees are blessed with an amazing standard of living. |
| 21:23.43 | Bradipo | its a waste of money. |
| 21:23.51 | fozz | money they spend at the store. :) |
| 21:23.58 | Bradipo | Money that could otherwise be paying a bunch of cheap labor who pick tomatoes for taco bell. |
| 21:24.17 | Bradipo | How about responsibility to me and my family? |
| 21:24.34 | Bradipo | sjansen: And why do you think they don't have any money? |
| 21:24.37 | sjansen | I call bull. |
| 21:24.38 | Bradipo | Because SS doesn't cut it. |
| 21:24.47 | Bradipo | SS is a dump, a waste of money. |
| 21:24.55 | Bradipo | It doesn't even gain interested. It is a lost cause. |
| 21:25.13 | sjansen | It could be better administered, but it serves a valid purpose. |
| 21:25.14 | Bradipo | I don't care of some people want SS. |
| 21:25.16 | levi | Man, I wish I could find a place where people had strong opinions. Everyone here is so wishy-washy. :P |
| 21:25.24 | Bradipo | They should have the choice of participating, but me and my family would rather not participate. |
| 21:25.51 | Bradipo | I grew up in a household where my father was self-employed as a car mechanic. |
| 21:25.53 | hans | levi: lisp! perl! ruby! php! Java! C++! |
| 21:25.55 | sjansen | Or decrepit 80 year olds forced to work when they can barely walk. |
| 21:25.55 | Bradipo | That's pretty close to poverty. |
| 21:26.04 | sjansen | No, it isn't. |
| 21:26.18 | sjansen | Cutting sugar cane in Brazil is poverty. |
| 21:26.32 | Bradipo | Well, poverty comes about due to the ineffecient tampering of the government with the market. |
| 21:26.34 | hans | brazilians cutting sugar cane don't get social security either |
| 21:26.44 | Bradipo | If the government would leave well enough alone, prices would actually stabilize. |
| 21:26.45 | sjansen | Sharing an one bedroom apartment with 10 other people in Florida is poverty. |
| 21:26.59 | goozbach | living in a cardboard shack with 5 people sleeping on the same mat is poverty |
| 21:27.09 | Bradipo | sjansen: And how does SS help them? |
| 21:27.09 | sjansen | No, it doesn't. It comes from the fact that some work is low skill. |
| 21:27.13 | synic | lol |
| 21:27.17 | goozbach | having to work for your supper is poverty |
| 21:27.44 | Bradipo | Again, I would argue that much of the poverty in our country is due to market tampering by the government. |
| 21:27.52 | Bradipo | For example, a force minimum wage. |
| 21:27.57 | sjansen | It gives someone who spends their entire life on the three job treadmill the chance to get off when they're finally too old to enjoy much of life. |
| 21:27.59 | Bradipo | That doesn't help low paid employees at all. |
| 21:28.08 | Bradipo | In fact, it makes competition at the bottom even more fierce. |
| 21:28.30 | Bradipo | Because now a company has to make the choice of firing people since a higher minimum wage means they have less money. |
| 21:28.43 | sjansen | Minimum wage pushes prices up, but it also prevents sweat shops. |
| 21:28.47 | Bradipo | sjansen: You don't enjoy life when you are 68 years old. |
| 21:28.55 | Bradipo | You are on the doorstep to death. |
| 21:29.01 | sjansen | Some of the jobs get shipped outside the country, but one thing at a time. |
| 21:29.25 | Bradipo | sjansen: I puts low wage employees who would be willing to work in a ``sweat shop'' out on the streets. |
| 21:29.27 | Bradipo | That's what it does. |
| 21:29.43 | Bradipo | Because they have no skill to compete for anything already. |
| 21:30.24 | Bradipo | I for one would rather have the freedom to opt out of SS, and invest that money into something that I believe will be better for me in the long run. |
| 21:30.30 | Bradipo | Give me liberty or give me death. |
| 21:31.51 | levi | Bradipo: That's a rather empty statement unless you're in an armed conflict for your liberty. |
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| 21:33.17 | levi | Especially when you've got your liberty, and you're just whining about the fringes of it. Liberty is never absolute freedom of action, anyway. |
| 21:35.01 | Bradipo | No it isn't. |
| 21:35.06 | Bradipo | But it is freedom nonetheless. |
| 21:35.18 | Bradipo | As long as you don't infringe upon someone else's freedom. |
| 21:35.40 | Bradipo | And it may be an empty statement, but so is Social Security an empty promise. |
| 21:36.05 | Bradipo | sjansen: By the way, have you ever had to receive SS. I hear it is a battle, tooth and nail, to get it when you finally arrive. |
| 21:36.22 | Bradipo | synic: What is AS? |
| 21:36.32 | synic | that book I mentioned from before. |
| 21:36.35 | levi | Bradipo: So, who is likely to give you death if you don't receive the freedom you want? |
| 21:36.46 | synic | Bradipo, Ayn Rand has a lot of your same views |
| 21:37.24 | Bradipo | levi: Probably no one, but it was a call to remind us that America is based on freedoms. |
| 21:37.40 | Bradipo | What ever happened to that spirit of liberty and freedom that Americans once had? |
| 21:37.43 | sjansen | And cooperation. |
| 21:37.53 | Bradipo | It has been consumed by the Leviathan state (no offense levi). |
| 21:38.00 | sjansen | Remember that failure called the articles of confederation? |
| 21:38.11 | sjansen | The US has been successful by avoiding extremes. |
| 21:38.26 | Bradipo | cooperation only happens when it is beneficial to both sides. |
| 21:38.35 | sjansen | Or enforced. |
| 21:38.35 | Bradipo | Remember, we are talking markets and economies here, not religion. |
| 21:38.46 | Bradipo | Or forced... |
| 21:39.02 | sjansen | We're also talking about government, an entity created to address the failures of markets. |
| 21:39.33 | Bradipo | There are such things as charitable contributions and donations, but that is entirely separate from taxation. |
| 21:39.34 | sjansen | Socialism won't solve all of our problems, but neither will pure capitalism. |
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| 21:39.39 | Bradipo | Government doesn't address failures of markets. |
| 21:39.43 | Bradipo | Government bungles markets. |
| 21:39.45 | levi | Bradipo: You're basing your ideals on a market philosophy, and putting your faith in it to right the world's wrongs. Sounds like religion to me. |
| 21:40.12 | Bradipo | levi: no, I'm saying people have a choice. |
| 21:40.14 | sjansen | Bradipo, you're hardly one to talk about charitable contributions and donations, working for a company that leeches off the free labor of others. |
| 21:40.28 | sjansen | Left to itself, a pure market economy doesn't make contributions or donations. |
| 21:40.48 | Bradipo | sjansen: lol, that's weak. |
| 21:40.55 | levi | sjansen: But somehow, the Great Hand fixes everything. |
| 21:42.52 | sjansen | Look at broadband Internet access, our market economy has done such a good job that 100% or American's now have fiber to their house... oh, wait. My bad, we've got phone companies fighting tooth and nail to maintain their monopoly and charge premium for high speed. (I acknowledge that govt. is partially complicit in this.) |
| 21:42.56 | levi | Somehow, if everyone's free to make all the selfish acts they want that don't directly harm other people, everyone will be happy. |
| 21:43.00 | Bradipo | I know I sure could use that extra money that is going out of my paycheck right now. |
| 21:43.39 | Bradipo | levi: agreed. |
| 21:43.43 | Bradipo | I don't care if you are selfish at all. |
| 21:44.04 | levi | I have no sympathy for anyone who's online whining about their money. |
| 21:44.24 | Bradipo | levi: oh geez, I'm not looking for handouts. |
| 21:44.58 | Bradipo | But whatever, if you guys want to continue paying into SS, that is great, you should have that choice, but I for one do not want to participate. |
| 21:45.04 | sjansen | No, you're just wishing you didn't have to pull your weight. |
| 21:45.16 | Bradipo | sjansen: Oh yeah, how much did I say I make? |
| 21:45.17 | sjansen | Fine, leave the country. |
| 21:45.25 | Bradipo | No, it has nothing to do with pulling weight. |
| 21:45.32 | sjansen | Upwards of $50,000 I think $60,000 |
| 21:45.38 | Bradipo | It has to do with the wrong that is SS. |
| 21:45.40 | mheath | Bradipo: imagine this |
| 21:45.46 | mheath | Say you have financial problems later on in life |
| 21:45.57 | Bradipo | SS is a poor financial design. |
| 21:46.12 | Bradipo | sjansen: Oh and when did I tell you this? |
| 21:46.32 | Bradipo | sjansen: Do you have facts to backup your slander? |
| 21:46.38 | JoshH | if i get any money from social security when i turn 65 in about 40 years, i will be very surprised. |
| 21:46.47 | sjansen | I can go back into IRC logs if needed. |
| 21:46.47 | mheath | Your an old man, living in a tiny apartment in some crummy neighborhood. You have almost no income - Social Security is one of your main incomes |
| 21:46.59 | mheath | What would your opinion of SS be then? |
| 21:47.14 | Bradipo | mheath: Imagine this, you get to retirement age and suddenly you discover the great illusion that your government has led you through called Social Security. |
| 21:47.20 | Bradipo | And find that there is little to no money to be had. |
| 21:47.45 | Bradipo | Social Security is not an income. You could make more money by begging. |
| 21:47.59 | mheath | Bradipo: "Little" money? Spoken like a true middle class, greater-than-them type of person. |
| 21:48.09 | bdogg | didn't kerry collect on his ss? |
| 21:48.11 | Bradipo | JoshH: And you are cool with paying into something that you will never get a return on? |
| 21:48.25 | JoshH | Bradipo: nope, im not. i would opt out in a heartbeat. |
| 21:48.41 | mheath | It's not designed to give you a lot of money. It's designed to make sure that when your old and everyones forgotten about you, when you're too old to work, you're not screwed. |
| 21:48.42 | Bradipo | mheath: Oh, and I'm supposed to want less? I'm supposed to be incented to live in slums? |
| 21:48.54 | Bradipo | mheath: But you are screwed already. |
| 21:49.05 | mheath | No! You're supposed to want to live rather than die |
| 21:49.09 | Bradipo | mheath: I don't want lots of money, I want freedom to choose. |
| 21:49.14 | mheath | There are THOUSANDS of old people who *DEPEND* On their income from SS |
| 21:49.27 | bdogg | why didn't they save for themselves? |
| 21:49.46 | Bradipo | SS was a fallacious policy introduced to a naive public during hard times that were only exacerbated by the government's bungling. |
| 21:49.48 | mheath | Because they didn't think to? Or had a finanly crisis and lost most of it? |
| 21:49.53 | mheath | Or had to spend most of it on health care? |
| 21:50.03 | Bradipo | What did people do before SS? |
| 21:50.07 | macnewbold | (This place is getting almost as off-topic as the pluglist... :) ) |
| 21:50.09 | mheath | They died when they got old. |
| 21:50.18 | sjansen | bdogg: Because they didn't want to, of course. They were too busy flying off to Tahiti for the winter. |
| 21:50.25 | bdogg | :( |
| 21:50.29 | bdogg | so now we have to pay for them :( |
| 21:50.29 | JoshH | macnewbold: only here, nobody complains about top posting and people forgetting to trim. |
| 21:50.30 | Bradipo | macnewbold: Agreed. |
| 21:50.40 | Bradipo | Apparently it's Bradio vs #utah on this one. |
| 21:50.46 | macnewbold | JoshH: Amen... one more flame war we don't need |
| 21:50.48 | sjansen | Bradipo: Before social security, they worked until they died and were buried in paupers graves. |
| 21:50.49 | JoshH | im with Bradipo on this. |
| 21:51.00 | Bradipo | sjansen: Oh really? |
| 21:51.11 | JoshH | if i took the money that i put into ss every paycheck, and put it into my own savings account, i would be a lot better off when i retire. |
| 21:51.13 | sjansen | bdogg: It's called sarcasm. The didn't save because they had nothing to save. |
| 21:51.14 | JoshH | much, much better off. |
| 21:51.17 | Bradipo | And you think that living on SS is graceful living now? |
| 21:51.22 | sjansen | Has anyone contemplated living on minimum wage? |
| 21:51.24 | mheath | No |
| 21:51.28 | mheath | But it's living. |
| 21:51.34 | bdogg | haha |
| 21:51.39 | mheath | Would you rather these people die? |
| 21:51.46 | JoshH | mheath: why would they die? |
| 21:51.51 | Bradipo | mheath: How about all those who would be willing to work for less than minimum wage, but can't due to government regulations. |
| 21:51.55 | Bradipo | Aren't they allowed to live too? |
| 21:51.55 | JoshH | nobody clings to life on their ss money. |
| 21:52.17 | mheath | JoshH: Lots of elderly people depend on their SS money for basic necessities. |
| 21:52.21 | JoshH | the only reason illegal aliens come here is because we have a minimum wage. |
| 21:52.27 | sjansen | It's night graceful living, but it's better than slaving along until your dried and useless gasping on deaths door because hospitals can't make a profit on you. |
| 21:52.35 | Bradipo | Unfortunately, since they can't find a job that pays minimum wage, and the law says you have to pay minimum wage, they are out of a job and on the streets. |
| 21:52.37 | levi | Hey, let's talk about Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance again. |
| 21:52.40 | Bradipo | Or begging the state for money. |
| 21:52.59 | JoshH | mheath: and if they saved on their own instead of using the ss program, they would have a lot more money. nobody gets nearly as much from ss as they put into it. |
| 21:53.06 | Bradipo | JoshH: But illegal aliens rarely get minimum wage. |
| 21:53.22 | mheath | JoshH: let me guess...you're very middle class, right? |
| 21:53.25 | Bradipo | But nevertheless, even half of minimum wage is better than what they get. |
| 21:53.30 | bdogg | yeah, they get more than it |
| 21:53.37 | JoshH | Bradipo: exactly... if citizens could work for less than minimum wage, employers wouldnt hire illegals instead. |
| 21:53.48 | Bradipo | Man, what is all this class slinging that you guys like to pull. |
| 21:53.55 | Bradipo | You act as if middle class is evil. |
| 21:53.58 | bdogg | I haven't met a single illegal here (and in canada on my mission) that made less than minimum wage |
| 21:54.04 | sjansen | No, we act as if it's all you've ever seen. |
| 21:54.23 | sjansen | Middle class is what many people aspire to. |
| 21:54.49 | sjansen | You sound like you're upset that your neighbor will some day cash into SS. |
| 21:54.49 | bdogg | they usually make at least TWICE minimum wage... |
| 21:54.55 | Bradipo | JoshH: I'm with you on that point. |
| 21:54.57 | sjansen | But we're not talking about your neighbor. |
| 21:54.59 | JoshH | mheath: i have to struggle to make it by, to be honest. but i dont want the government to give me money that other people went to work for. |
| 21:55.03 | Bradipo | sjansen: I'm not. |
| 21:55.13 | Bradipo | I'm upset that I have no choice to opt out. |
| 21:55.28 | Bradipo | I don't care of folks want the government to hand hold and look out for them. |
| 21:55.32 | Bradipo | But I want less government. |
| 21:55.50 | mheath | JoshH: what's "struggle to make it buy"? Struggle to pay your cable bills and buy your favorite foods? Or struggle to buy any food and to afford any kind of house/apartment? |
| 21:56.10 | JoshH | mheath: my cable bill is probably my main luxury. |
| 21:56.19 | Bradipo | sjansen: And by the way, but current definitions, I believe middle class is >$90k/yr |
| 21:56.25 | mheath | Then you're not struggling to make it by. |
| 21:56.29 | sjansen | No image someone that considers a box of Ritz crackers a luxury. |
| 21:56.56 | JoshH | mheath: do you live on your own yet? |
| 21:57.12 | Bradipo | My Internet is mine. I don't have cable, I forgo it so I can benefit from the Internet. |
| 21:57.18 | sjansen | Bradipo: Well then that explains it, you're just stupid. >$90k isn't middle class. >$25k is. |
| 21:57.28 | JoshH | well when i said cable, i was talking about my internet. |
| 21:57.31 | JoshH | i dont even have a phone. |
| 21:57.47 | JoshH | i pay an additional dollar on top of my cable internet bill so i can have up to channel 23 or something. |
| 21:57.47 | hans | I don't think Bradipo is stupid. |
| 21:57.53 | bdogg | nor do I |
| 21:58.05 | hans | Nor do I think sjansen is stupid. |
| 21:58.18 | sjansen | Perhaps I'm going overboard, but I'm getting pretty upset. |
| 21:58.21 | Bradipo | Haha, I doubt anyone in here is. |
| 21:58.26 | hans | yeah, I noticed :) |
| 21:58.53 | hans | In fact, because I know nobody in here is stupid, I know we all realize there's differing viewpoints and nobody's going to convince anyone of anything |
| 21:58.58 | JoshH | some people believe it is right to force people to pay for the welfare of others, and other people do not believe that. it has nothing to do with intelligence. |
| 21:59.00 | sjansen | I question how many people in Utah (that haven't served missions in third world countries) really understand what poverty is. |
| 21:59.03 | hans | So let's go back to bashing Microsoft |
| 21:59.15 | Bradipo | sjansen: wikipedia says that middle class in US is $25k to $250k |
| 21:59.27 | bdogg | I had a ightmare last night |
| 21:59.32 | Bradipo | That's pretty broad in my opinion, but I'll give that one to you for calling lower end of the spectrum. |
| 21:59.59 | bdogg | I clicked an ok box with IE and the next thing I knew my desktop was full of searchbars and free dating services and casino shortcuts |
| 22:00.07 | Bradipo | sjansen: By allowing the government to take money from us, they are stealing from those third class countries. |
| 22:00.07 | hans | sjansen: considering th enumber of people who have served in 3rd world countries in utah, I'd imaging the number of people who "understand poverty" is higher per-capita than many other places. |
| 22:00.12 | bdogg | I woke up and was like "im installing firefox" to my brother |
| 22:00.13 | mheath | Theres a lot of people in the USA and even more in the world that live on much less than $25k. |
| 22:00.27 | Bradipo | Consider how much more cheap gifts I could have bought at Christmas. |
| 22:00.30 | hans | bdogg: lol |
| 22:00.36 | Bradipo | And how many cheap labor families that would have supported. |
| 22:00.40 | Bradipo | Instead, the money is thrown away. |
| 22:01.41 | mheath | Bradipo: But the thing is, the people who benefit from SS aren't the people who benefit from your purchases. |
| 22:01.50 | Bradipo | I would rather my money be spent on cheap items at walmart that could possibly cause the wages in cheap labor markets to rise from .10 to .20 which is a 100% increase in their wages. |
| 22:02.20 | mheath | Yeah. It's *really* effective :D |
| 22:02.26 | sjansen | And what exactly is going to move that price from .10 to .20? |
| 22:02.35 | sjansen | Surely not a sudden influx of cheaper labor. |
| 22:02.38 | Bradipo | mheath: Lets see, supply demand is false I suppose too? |
| 22:02.49 | bdogg | so that utahn won the billionaire show |
| 22:03.09 | Bradipo | Yeah, that Utahn was also my brothers companion in his mission to Spain. |
| 22:03.10 | bdogg | and was seen reading a quad on national television while he was waiting for a decision |
| 22:03.41 | lukfugl | "the billionaire show"? |
| 22:03.45 | levi | I watched the end of the Rebel Billionaire. It was pretty decent, as far as reality shows go. |
| 22:04.02 | bdogg | owner of virgin records made that dude a partner or something |
| 22:04.03 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 22:04.05 | lukfugl | ah. And I was thinking we were talking about Ken Jennings and Jeopardy! |
| 22:04.11 | bdogg | yeah I liked the show |
| 22:04.17 | bdogg | it was the first one I watched |
| 22:04.20 | mheath | The IDE controller card I bought from PC Club died...It's still under warranty.. |
| 22:04.20 | Bradipo | lukfugl: Me too, guess I misunderstood. |
| 22:04.26 | levi | The final episode was heavily padded to reach the 2 hour mark, but most of the episodes weren't nearly as padded as other shows I've seen. |
| 22:04.26 | lukfugl | (note the ! is for the name, not because I was really enthusiastic about that statement) |
| 22:04.27 | bdogg | but it had a different aura about it |
| 22:04.29 | mheath | But I threw away the packaging for it a couple weeks ago |
| 22:04.38 | mheath | Think they'll still take it back? |
| 22:04.45 | mheath | It's bad, so it's not like they have a use for the packaging |
| 22:04.48 | mheath | And I've got the receipt |
| 22:04.56 | levi | mheath: Can't hurt to try. |
| 22:05.21 | Bradipo | But you might hurt those low paid workers in third class countries. |
| 22:05.31 | mheath | My system screams bloody murder when I try to do anything with the drives on it |
| 22:05.37 | Bradipo | You should keep it to support them, since we are all good socially minded people here. |
| 22:05.46 | mheath | I've tested the drives on other controllers; it's not their problem |
| 22:06.20 | mheath | Stuff in the kernel message log about trying to reset the drive...failing...trying to reset it...failing |
| 22:06.35 | mheath | I was in a chroot on a hard drive on that controller when it died |
| 22:07.08 | mheath | The reiserfs kernel module seg faulted, then BASH on that drive seg faulted, then the chroot segfaulted. Then that VT locked up |
| 22:09.57 | Bradipo | sjansen: Can we at least agree to disagree? :-) |
| 22:10.41 | sjansen | Another trite and meaningless phrase? |
| 22:10.41 | mheath | Be back later |
| 22:10.54 | hans | hardly |
| 22:10.57 | sjansen | If you mean can we at least not hate each other, sure no problem. |
| 22:10.59 | Bradipo | I believe others have said the same in this channel. |
| 22:11.10 | hans | if nobody agreed to disagree then the world would be even more rife with war than it is |
| 22:11.46 | *** join/#utah Slackware_man (~chatzilla@205.208.248.135) |
| 22:11.57 | sjansen | hans: So you were expecting me to go firebomb him or something? |
| 22:12.01 | Slackware_man | when is the PLUG meetion tonight |
| 22:12.09 | sjansen | 7:30 PM at the usual place. |
| 22:12.09 | hans | 7:30 |
| 22:12.19 | Slackware_man | where is the usual place |
| 22:12.25 | sjansen | see plug.org for a map |
| 22:12.27 | hans | http://plug.org has a map |
| 22:12.33 | Slackware_man | i just got interested in joining last night |
| 22:12.50 | hans | welcome |
| 22:13.06 | levi | Well, since the options seem to be either "agree to disagree" or "argue forever", and we'll hate you both if the argument is still going tomorrow... ;) |
| 22:13.19 | hans | sjansen: sometimes I look behind me to see if an sjansen firebomb special is coming my way, just for using debian. ;-) |
| 22:13.38 | Slackware_man | who else uses slackware |
| 22:13.41 | JoshH | i do |
| 22:13.49 | JoshH | although i use debian more |
| 22:13.55 | hans | Bradipo does I think. |
| 22:14.13 | Slackware_man | guess how old i am |
| 22:14.13 | hans | slackware is one of the few I've never seen. |
| 22:14.23 | JoshH | 37? |
| 22:14.45 | Slackware_man | 11 |
| 22:14.56 | hans | 23 |
| 22:15.16 | Slackware_man | i am a 6th grader, w00t |
| 22:15.16 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure you haven't seen alot more than just slackware. |
| 22:15.19 | JoshH | you should /nick Slackware_kid then. |
| 22:15.25 | JoshH | :) |
| 22:15.26 | hans | well, you're right. but of the major ones |
| 22:15.43 | lukfugl | ok, I've got in house perl modules for use in apache (ala PerlModule directive). I don't want to just mix them in with all the other CPAN modules in /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/..., what's the standard location for them? |
| 22:15.45 | Slackware_kid | changed |
| 22:15.54 | levi | Man, this channel makes me feel old. |
| 22:16.11 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.21 | hans | 26 |
| 22:16.21 | goozbach | my wanna live here: http://mike.howsden.com/cr/112.html |
| 22:16.21 | hans | 9 |
| 22:16.22 | hans | 32 |
| 22:16.33 | Slackware_kid | who all hates SCO besides me |
| 22:16.37 | Slackware_kid | i am 11 |
| 22:16.50 | hans | gl |
| 22:17.02 | tensai | lukfugl: I would guess /usr/local/lib/perl/<ver> /usr/local/lib/site_perl or /usr/local/share/perl/<ver> |
| 22:17.02 | hans | er, goozbach it looks wet. watch the laptop |
| 22:17.13 | tensai | lukfugl: those are all in my @INC |
| 22:17.18 | goozbach | the next image is pretty nice as well |
| 22:17.22 | sjansen | Slackware_kid: most of us do, but we (meaning everyone but me) try to be nice because a couple of SCO employees show up here from time to time |
| 22:17.45 | Slackware_kid | ok |
| 22:17.49 | Slackware_kid | me be nice |
| 22:17.58 | Slackware_kid | (excuse my bad grammar |
| 22:18.04 | tensai | yes, and nobody here says anything the least bit inflammatory |
| 22:18.07 | JoshH | lol |
| 22:18.25 | Bradipo | Slackware_kid: I use Slackware. |
| 22:18.31 | Bradipo | But a very old version (never needed to upgrade). |
| 22:18.55 | Slackware_kid | i have 10.0, cause my brother and dad try to kee it up to date |
| 22:18.58 | JoshH | heh, i always track current |
| 22:19.07 | JoshH | not cause i need to, but because im like that. |
| 22:19.13 | JoshH | it never breaks though. |
| 22:19.13 | hans | Slackware_kid: are they involved with plug? |
| 22:19.19 | Slackware_kid | no |
| 22:19.21 | tensai | my first distro was slackware 3 something. then tried redhat. then fell in love with debian. |
| 22:19.36 | Slackware_kid | my brother is part of the BYU UUG though |
| 22:19.53 | hans | name or nicK? |
| 22:19.53 | Slackware_kid | i want to try debian sometime |
| 22:20.05 | Slackware_kid | huh |
| 22:20.11 | Slackware_kid | hans who you talking to |
| 22:20.32 | hans | you. so we can see if we know your bro |
| 22:20.33 | lukfugl | Slackware_kid: what's your brother's name/nick |
| 22:20.39 | Slackware_kid | i don't know |
| 22:20.39 | neybar_work | hans, thanks for your help yesterday. I finally got openvpn working. |
| 22:20.47 | Slackware_kid | his real name is Chris Peterson |
| 22:20.49 | hans | wunderbar! |
| 22:20.52 | Slackware_kid | my dad works at BYU |
| 22:20.56 | tensai | sjansen: I thought you despised SUSE |
| 22:21.03 | hans | and debian, for that matter |
| 22:21.08 | neybar_work | my firewall was playing havok with it for a while |
| 22:21.22 | sjansen | despise it a bit harsh, but I don't like alot of their design decisions |
| 22:21.40 | sjansen | maybe some time spent in even closer contact will help me find more redeeming qualities |
| 22:21.49 | Slackware_kid | my dad's name is Bryan Peterson in the department of Physics and Astronomy |
| 22:22.03 | Slackware_kid | he is part of the physics part |
| 22:22.04 | tensai | or you might catch a disease and die an early death |
| 22:22.13 | tensai | win, win I guess |
| 22:22.19 | sjansen | hans: As for Ubuntu, I keep hearing so many good things I have to give it a try. |
| 22:22.37 | hans | i hear good things too |
| 22:22.39 | JoshH | sjansen: be careful... you will never like fedora or suse again if you do that. |
| 22:22.51 | sjansen | I seriously doubt that. |
| 22:22.55 | hans | JoshH: shhh, don't tell him |
| 22:23.27 | lukfugl | I've seen the thread on Ubuntu but not read it -- what is it? |
| 22:23.31 | sjansen | For starters, I have a hard time considering anything other than Debian stable appropriate for a production environment. |
| 22:23.36 | lukfugl | distro? |
| 22:23.49 | hans | lukfugl: polished debian installer(/distro?) |
| 22:23.51 | JoshH | its a noob friendly debian based distro that makes everything work out of the box like suse and fedora |
| 22:23.52 | lukfugl | ah |
| 22:23.55 | sjansen | As seeing as the next ice age is still a bit off, I'm not expecting an up-to-date Debian stable any time soon. |
| 22:24.08 | Slackware_kid | how old is everyone |
| 22:24.16 | JoshH | im 10 |
| 22:24.24 | Slackware_kid | i got one year on you\ |
| 22:24.30 | JoshH | yep. |
| 22:24.33 | Slackware_kid | i started using linux in 3rd grade |
| 22:24.35 | hans | sjansen: because of the name stable? do names mean that much to you? |
| 22:24.38 | Slackware_kid | but only x |
| 22:25.14 | sjansen | hans: because of bad experiences with unstable and testing |
| 22:25.15 | Slackware_kid | my dad's 50 |
| 22:25.15 | Slackware_kid | he is OLD |
| 22:25.43 | Slackware_kid | where does everyone live |
| 22:25.45 | hans | i've had bad experiences with rhel3 |
| 22:25.57 | tensai | unison rocks |
| 22:26.04 | hans | the file system thing? |
| 22:26.16 | hans | er, syncher |
| 22:26.21 | tensai | yes |
| 22:26.46 | Slackware_kid | i live by the school Provost |
| 22:26.47 | hans | you're the second mentor to say that |
| 22:27.18 | Slackware_kid | does anyone live by provost |
| 22:27.22 | sjansen | So what makes unison so great? |
| 22:27.44 | hans | from the website I gathered it was like rsync on steroids. |
| 22:28.00 | Slackware_kid | steroids are bad(hehehe) :D |
| 22:28.22 | hans | software is morally exempt from drug taboo |
| 22:28.27 | tensai | it shows you the differences on both sides and you can choose which way to push them. or just ignore it for later. |
| 22:29.15 | Slackware_kid | i am an evil noob>:-D |
| 22:29.29 | tensai | hans: is that why Drug Wars is so much fun? |
| 22:29.35 | tensai | s/Drug/Dope/ |
| 22:29.43 | sjansen | what do you mean "shows the differences"? |
| 22:29.55 | hans | as in diff -u, or file-level, or ... |
| 22:30.24 | Slackware_kid | :~( my hamster died 2 months ago |
| 22:30.42 | hans | could be worse. he could have taken you with him. |
| 22:30.50 | Slackware_kid | i am still an evil noob >:-D |
| 22:30.55 | Slackware_kid | yah, i agree |
| 22:31.16 | emcnabb | oh no, an evil noob! |
| 22:31.20 | Slackware_kid | has anyone read Ender's game |
| 22:31.36 | Slackware_kid | yep, i terrorize computers by messing them up without knowing what i am doing |
| 22:31.42 | hans | yup, loved it. |
| 22:31.46 | hans | reading xenocide now |
| 22:31.46 | goozbach | Slackware_kid: good series |
| 22:31.55 | emcnabb | it sucked |
| 22:31.57 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:31.59 | goozbach | I'm waiting with baited breath for march |
| 22:32.09 | sjansen | ignore emcnabb, he has no taste in books |
| 22:32.09 | Slackware_kid | i am on chapter 14, i got that far in 3 days |
| 22:32.16 | Slackware_kid | i agree |
| 22:32.18 | emcnabb | we had a long conversation at work about that series the other day |
| 22:32.22 | goozbach | _Shadow of the Giant_ is comming out |
| 22:32.37 | lukfugl | goozbach: I'm psyched for that one |
| 22:32.42 | Slackware_kid | heard about Shadow of the Giant on www.hatrack.com |
| 22:32.48 | sjansen | and the fact that emcnabb is fictionally illiterate |
| 22:32.51 | bbeattie | Anyone know how to get rid of the + on the left side of a line of a wrapped line text in mutt? |
| 22:32.56 | tensai | hans: initially it just shows file size and date. you can interactively request a diff. |
| 22:32.56 | lukfugl | haven't read the ender side of the "trilogy" yet, but I soaked up the bean books |
| 22:33.09 | Bradipo | sjansen: I would recommend Debian, but then it all depends on what you are doing with it. |
| 22:33.10 | Slackware_kid | i am not very B-) |
| 22:33.16 | Slackware_kid | or cool in other words |
| 22:33.42 | Slackware_kid | does anyone use MSN |
| 22:33.53 | sjansen | ~lart MSN |
| 22:33.56 | lukfugl | I'm illiterate. In fact, I'm a bilingual illiterate. I can't read in two languages (german and russian) |
| 22:34.13 | goozbach | MSN is of the devil, ban him! |
| 22:34.23 | Slackware_kid | well, i use kopete instead of messenger just cause i got a friend from texas |
| 22:34.33 | goozbach | I'm an unbelviblingul illiterate in that case |
| 22:35.00 | sjansen | eu sou chato em duas linguas |
| 22:35.01 | hans | goozbach: is that the one after shadow puppets? |
| 22:35.11 | goozbach | $5 dollars to anyone who reconizes that reference |
| 22:35.15 | goozbach | hans: yep |
| 22:35.23 | hans | goozbach: then I can't wait until March either. ;-) |
| 22:35.25 | Slackware_kid | i think computers work like air conditioners, open windows, and they don't work properly(got that from www.linuxquestions.com forum) |
| 22:35.32 | hans | I just finished shadow puppets |
| 22:35.43 | goozbach | hans: whadda think? |
| 22:36.06 | goozbach | I'm of the regard that 'tis the best of the bean stuff so far. |
| 22:36.08 | Slackware_kid | who all lives in provo |
| 22:36.15 | hans | liked. didn't like 2 or 3 as much as ender's shadow though |
| 22:36.51 | hans | but that could just be that the whole war strategy stuff is pretty boring to me. That it was interesting is a kudo to Card |
| 22:37.16 | goozbach | I had dinner with card one night |
| 22:37.18 | hans | as far as character development, I liked it much |
| 22:37.18 | Slackware_kid | i can't believe i used to like windows |
| 22:37.29 | goozbach | (before I even knew he was an author) |
| 22:37.32 | hans | I can't believe I used to like rattles |
| 22:38.17 | levi | One of Card's sons was a neighbor of mine when I was at BYU. |
| 22:38.33 | Slackware_kid | my dad knew Card when he was in college |
| 22:38.46 | Slackware_kid | well, after college atleast |
| 22:39.01 | synic | one time I saw a picture of Card. |
| 22:39.06 | synic | :P |
| 22:39.07 | emcnabb | I met someone on #utah who met Card |
| 22:39.12 | Slackware_kid | hey, me too |
| 22:39.13 | hans | I have a deck of cards |
| 22:39.44 | neybar_work | hey, me too |
| 22:39.51 | goozbach | I have a SS card |
| 22:39.53 | lukfugl | I know someone who has a deck of cards |
| 22:40.08 | lukfugl | watch it, don't get them started again ;) |
| 22:40.10 | sjansen | I once met a deck of cards. |
| 22:40.20 | goozbach | I have a couple actually |
| 22:40.28 | goozbach | one for each alias |
| 22:41.03 | Slackware_kid | i can bet that i am the only one here that likes Pokemon |
| 22:42.29 | tensai | my 2 year-old loves it :) |
| 22:42.51 | goozbach | I like the cartoon |
| 22:42.58 | Slackware_kid | i like the games |
| 22:43.01 | goozbach | I'm not much for playing the games |
| 22:43.07 | Slackware_kid | i am a boy |
| 22:43.17 | Slackware_kid | in case you didn't know that |
| 22:44.46 | goozbach | "I'm gonna move this big heavy rock from this platform to another" |
| 22:44.47 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 22:44.53 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:45.31 | sjansen | watch it emcnabb or I'll drag a firetruck over to your desk and try to drop it on you |
| 22:45.36 | neybar_work | no, no, no, ibot you're not very scary |
| 22:45.48 | emcnabb | oh, I want to see this |
| 22:45.56 | emcnabb | bring it on sjansen |
| 22:46.11 | *** join/#utah Ober (ober@h-67-102-167-244.hstqtx02.covad.net) |
| 22:46.18 | Slackware_kid | who has their own computer |
| 22:46.22 | emcnabb | is that a REAL Matchbox firetruck sjansen? |
| 22:46.34 | synic | Slackware_kid, heh, I have a few. |
| 22:46.35 | emcnabb | Slackware_kid, I have 7 |
| 22:46.39 | goozbach | Slackware_kid: think about it for a minute |
| 22:46.50 | Slackware_kid | i have my own |
| 22:46.53 | goozbach | 23 at last count |
| 22:47.02 | emcnabb | I have a NeXT cube, sparc box, ultra sparc, PPC |
| 22:47.09 | goozbach | oh oh oh 24 come friday |
| 22:47.12 | emcnabb | NeXT pizzabox that is |
| 22:48.47 | Slackware_kid | i have a book that the cover it says "Introduction to the Vax" but it is really about ham radio's(it's the practice test |
| 22:49.33 | emcnabb | riding the VAX was fun |
| 22:49.55 | goozbach | lifting it wasn't |
| 22:50.07 | Slackware_kid | i wasn't old enough to see the VAX that was at my dad's old work |
| 22:51.37 | Slackware_kid | but we used to have an old computer |
| 22:51.53 | Slackware_kid | i used to play on it, but had no idea what i was doing |
| 22:52.44 | Slackware_kid | i still have an abacus |
| 22:52.59 | findlay | I bet mine's older |
| 22:53.01 | goozbach | I can count to 1024 on my fingers |
| 22:53.11 | Slackware_kid | i can lick my toe |
| 22:53.19 | Slackware_kid | and then stick it behind my head |
| 22:53.20 | emcnabb | goozbach, here's the number 4 |
| 22:53.21 | findlay | I can count any arbitrary rational mumber on my fingers |
| 22:53.48 | findlay | hey emcnabb, now, now |
| 22:53.55 | emcnabb | it's just the number 4 |
| 22:54.08 | Slackware_kid | now we are not flipping people off, unless i get to flip |
| 22:54.10 | findlay | ~lart the number 4 |
| 22:54.11 | Slackware_kid | it |
| 22:54.50 | emcnabb | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/6a20/ |
| 22:55.19 | *** part/#utah Ober (ober@h-67-102-167-244.hstqtx02.covad.net) |
| 22:55.24 | Slackware_kid | there are 10 people in this world, thbose who can read binary, and those who cant |
| 22:55.49 | sjansen | me discovers his linode mod_perl install is broken and howls in pain |
| 22:55.53 | goozbach | Slackware_kid: no, there are 010 people in the world. |
| 22:56.00 | Slackware_kid | so what |
| 22:56.10 | Slackware_kid | there are as many people as i say |
| 22:56.16 | Slackware_kid | no offence |
| 22:56.27 | emcnabb | ??? |
| 22:56.34 | Slackware_kid | i said "so what" so crossly |
| 22:56.45 | findlay | goozbach: sure, have only 3 place values |
| 22:56.46 | emcnabb | goozbach, stop crying |
| 22:56.48 | emcnabb | it's ok |
| 22:57.34 | Slackware_kid | does anyone play Runescape |
| 22:57.39 | sjansen | goozbach! goozbach! step back from that window right now! |
| 22:57.48 | emcnabb | he jumped |
| 22:57.53 | sjansen | goozbach! he didn't mean it! |
| 22:57.54 | emcnabb | crap |
| 22:57.55 | sjansen | too late |
| 22:58.02 | emcnabb | I get his laptop |
| 22:58.03 | findlay | I thought there were var(p) + cov(q) poeple |
| 22:58.28 | emcnabb | what's a poeple? |
| 22:58.34 | goozbach | those who can read base 3 those who cant and those who think it's binary |
| 22:58.53 | goozbach | I'm not dead yet |
| 22:59.00 | sjansen | shut up you! |
| 22:59.04 | Slackware_kid | a people are what i say they are |
| 22:59.05 | goozbach | it's just a flesh wound |
| 22:59.17 | Slackware_kid | *whacks goozbach with a hammer* |
| 22:59.30 | goozbach | come back here so I can bite your ankles off |
| 22:59.59 | Slackware_kid | i don't have ankles |
| 23:00.09 | Slackware_kid | the got cut off when i fell on my computer |
| 23:00.11 | sjansen | stupid mod_perl, third time it's broken |
| 23:01.01 | sjansen | stupid bricolage too |
| 23:01.11 | findlay | did you know there's some Windows 2000 machines on the netcraft top 50? |
| 23:01.28 | Slackware_kid | i like cats |
| 23:02.28 | *** join/#utah erj (~erikrj@207.108.175.219) |
| 23:03.27 | goozbach | erj: you made it |
| 23:03.38 | erj | ah |
| 23:03.40 | erj | yep |
| 23:03.57 | emcnabb | I want some of it |
| 23:04.00 | emcnabb | whatever you made |
| 23:04.09 | goozbach | ~slap sjansen |
| 23:04.11 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:04.19 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap goozbach |
| 23:04.21 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:04.28 | sjansen | ~puttyslap emcnabb |
| 23:05.14 | erj | I could tell you what I made, but then you would have to eat it. |
| 23:05.28 | sjansen | ibot, puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large puttybat and whacks $who with it |
| 23:05.29 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 23:05.31 | sjansen | ~puttyslap emcnabb |
| 23:05.34 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large puttybat and whacks emcnabb with it |
| 23:05.41 | findlay | I saw what looked like some vomit in a drawer today |
| 23:05.48 | findlay | it didn't smell bad though |
| 23:06.26 | sjansen | ibot, no puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks $who with it |
| 23:06.27 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 23:06.32 | sjansen | ~puttyslap emcnabb |
| 23:06.34 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks emcnabb with it |
| 23:07.26 | findlay | bye bucky |
| 23:09.11 | Maquis | ~puttyslap sjansen |
| 23:09.13 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks sjansen with it |
| 23:09.43 | erj | puttyslap ... interesting |
| 23:10.22 | Maquis | ibot, no puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks $who with it until he is completely black and blue |
| 23:10.23 | ibot | Maquis: okay |
| 23:10.31 | Maquis | ~puttyslap sjansen |
| 23:10.33 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks sjansen with it until he is completely black and blue |
| 23:10.38 | sjansen | No putty for you! |
| 23:10.43 | Maquis | :( |
| 23:10.45 | Maquis | :'( |
| 23:11.03 | findlay | what's putty |
| 23:11.15 | sjansen | ibot, no puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks Maquis with it |
| 23:11.16 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 23:11.21 | sjansen | ~puttyslap findlay |
| 23:11.23 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks Maquis with it |
| 23:11.24 | Maquis | hey! |
| 23:11.34 | Maquis | ibot, no puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat and whacks $who with it until he is completely black and blue |
| 23:11.35 | ibot | okay, Maquis |
| 23:11.39 | Maquis | ibot lock puttyslap |
| 23:11.45 | findlay | Hey, I'm not part of this revert war |
| 23:11.47 | sjansen | ibot ignore Maquis |
| 23:11.49 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Maquis!" |
| 23:11.49 | Maquis | ibot lock puttyslap $who |
| 23:12.06 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:12.26 | fozz | (16:10:43) Adam (Jabber): I am right now reading a yahoo group email from a guy who has a "pier to pier" network. |
| 23:12.28 | fozz | (16:10:47) Adam (Jabber): Must be on a houseboat. |
| 23:12.35 | Maquis | haha |
| 23:12.36 | fozz | (Just thought I'd share) |
| 23:12.46 | emcnabb | haha |
| 23:17.54 | sjansen | Maquis: look over there! |
| 23:18.07 | sjansen | ibot, no puttyslap $who is <action> rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat then whacks $who and Maquis with it |
| 23:18.08 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 23:18.22 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:18.25 | sjansen | ~puttyslap hans |
| 23:18.27 | ibot | ACTION rolls a large, Guru blue puttybat then whacks hans and Maquis with it |
| 23:18.52 | Maquis | why do i always get picked on? |
| 23:19.41 | *** join/#utah jalance__ (~jalance@208.187.115.4) |
| 23:19.45 | goozbach | you're an easy target |
| 23:20.31 | sjansen | I think it's because everyone loves us so much. |
| 23:20.33 | goozbach | sjansen: you however deserve it |
| 23:20.45 | goozbach | Maquis doesn't |
| 23:20.48 | sjansen | hhmmmmmm, you may be right |
| 23:20.51 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 23:20.59 | Maquis | so, i just get picked on for the sake of it? |
| 23:21.10 | goozbach | sake! |
| 23:21.16 | goozbach | I want some sake! |
| 23:21.20 | Maquis | mmmmm |
| 23:21.24 | goozbach | SAKE!!! |
| 23:23.37 | Maquis | haha |
| 23:23.45 | Maquis | windoze starter edition :) |
| 23:24.24 | *** join/#utah Slackware_kid (~chatzilla@205.208.248.135) |
| 23:24.54 | Slackware_kid | helloi |
| 23:25.17 | goozbach | where'd ja go? |
| 23:25.19 | *** join/#utah wiggity (wiggity@dhcp5-198.ut.sco.com) |
| 23:26.23 | Slackware_kid | i got timedout |
| 23:26.33 | Slackware_kid | i was reading this thing on pokemon glitches |
| 23:26.59 | Maquis | "Windows XP Starter Edition is designed--and, incidentally, licensed--to run only on the inexpensive, low-end PCs that will be sold in the target markets." |
| 23:28.23 | Slackware_kid | "only" is funny |
| 23:28.23 | sjansen | because if you're poor, of course you'll never want to run more than two programs at once |
| 23:28.42 | goozbach | nor play dvd's while irc'ing |
| 23:28.43 | Maquis | it's interesting... |
| 23:28.46 | goozbach | on a 486 |
| 23:28.52 | Maquis | they have videos explaining basic mouse usage |
| 23:29.03 | Slackware_kid | made for idiots |
| 23:29.06 | Maquis | i'm wondering if the video comes on automatically the first time you start it up |
| 23:29.18 | Maquis | cuz if not, i'm kind of curious how you'd get it on |
| 23:29.32 | Slackware_kid | i agree |
| 23:29.39 | Maquis | it's actually, never going to be sold in the US |
| 23:29.55 | Maquis | only in a bunch of 3rd world countries, particularly in SE Asia |
| 23:30.11 | Slackware_kid | they could give the people the "stupid user" monitor mouse and keyboard |
| 23:31.24 | Slackware_kid | hey, can i have it |
| 23:31.40 | findlay | usre |
| 23:31.47 | Slackware_kid | i will pay you 1/300000000000000000 of what it costs |
| 23:32.01 | findlay | OK |
| 23:32.17 | Slackware_kid | here is .0000000000000001 cents |
| 23:32.18 | findlay | you can find it on the net |
| 23:32.24 | Maquis | One of the big criticisms about XP Starter Edition is that it can run just three applications simultaneously, so I was curious to see what it would do if you attempted to launch more than three. In this case, the system displays a notification window telling you that you can only run three applications. The notification roughly reads as, "With Windows XP Starter Edition, you can run three programs at a time. To open a new program, please save your work, close |
| 23:32.33 | Maquis | findlay: where? |
| 23:32.37 | findlay | thanks, I'll use that to by this week's groceries |
| 23:32.52 | Slackware_kid | where do i get it |
| 23:32.56 | Slackware_kid | findlay |
| 23:34.22 | Slackware_kid | how far is it from Provo to Lindon |
| 23:34.46 | wiggity | south provo to north lindon via bicycle? |
| 23:34.54 | findlay | Maquis: http://www.findlay's_site.com/dev/null |
| 23:35.05 | findlay | Maquis: http://www.findlay's_site.com/dev/random |
| 23:35.24 | Maquis | :( |
| 23:36.02 | findlay | sorry I couldn't come up with something more clever |
| 23:36.09 | Slackware_kid | car |
| 23:36.34 | goozbach | s/advail/avail/ |
| 23:36.44 | *** join/#utah mheath (~Michael@c-67-161-213-34.client.comcast.net) |
| 23:36.44 | Maquis | advil? |
| 23:36.46 | findlay | "His strength, your steel, and my brains against 60 men" |
| 23:37.02 | mheath | This is...odd. |
| 23:37.06 | Slackware_kid | i don't like advil |
| 23:37.06 | wiggity | Distance: 10.0 miles Approximate Travel Time: 17 mins |
| 23:37.13 | mheath | I have a Maxtor hard drive sitting here |
| 23:37.15 | findlay | "why didn't you list that among our assets in the first place" |
| 23:37.25 | Slackware_kid | ok, thanks |
| 23:37.31 | mheath | I've had it for ages...a maxtor 5T060H6, ~60 GB HDD. |
| 23:37.32 | findlay | mheath: it needs to be standing |
| 23:37.45 | mheath | I was looking at the label on it |
| 23:38.00 | goozbach | and ... |
| 23:38.02 | Slackware_kid | i am dang ugly, in case you don't know |
| 23:38.04 | mheath | The official from-the-factory Maxtor label |
| 23:38.20 | mheath | looking closely, though, you can see that there's *another* label under it |
| 23:38.30 | mheath | And the label underneath it has an Apple logo on it |
| 23:38.47 | findlay | hmm, a logo with an Apple, is it? |
| 23:39.01 | Maquis | mheath: i think that just means it's a better-quality product than you originally thought... |
| 23:39.06 | findlay | What does that mean?! |
| 23:39.19 | wiggity | it means it only works with one-button mice |
| 23:39.28 | mheath | findlay, it means Maxtor bought hard drives from Apple and resold them, or something |
| 23:39.48 | Maquis | wiggity: my parents' g4 cube has a 3 button mouse, and two of them work correctly |
| 23:40.03 | mheath | Or, Maxtor made a hard drive that was originally meant for an Apple, but instead got relabeled and ended up in a retail box |
| 23:40.06 | Maquis | it doesn't do middle-button paste |
| 23:40.10 | findlay | I have an $n$-button mouse |
| 23:40.24 | findlay | with n = 3; |
| 23:40.39 | Maquis | i have a 3-button trackpad... |
| 23:41.08 | lukfugl | Maquis, wiggity: I have a three button mouse on my iMac and all three work properly |
| 23:41.14 | wiggity | i don't like that apple has 3-button mouse support. There are getting to be fewer and fewer things to complain about |
| 23:41.20 | Maquis | lukfugl: you got the middle-button paste working? |
| 23:41.34 | Maquis | wiggity: i found plenty... |
| 23:41.57 | lukfugl | Maquis: no, but that's a problem with the WM (Aqua, or whatever) not supporting it, rather than the button click not being recognized |
| 23:42.14 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (~xbmodder@adsl-67-119-13-192.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 23:42.16 | Maquis | lukfugl: true |
| 23:42.30 | dataw0lf | anyone listen to the Scissor Sisters in here? |
| 23:42.32 | xbmodder_lappy | #utah is like home :) |
| 23:43.04 | Maquis | ~menace sjansen |
| 23:43.06 | ibot | ACTION threatens to beat sjansen into a bloody pulp. |
| 23:43.06 | lukfugl | it is silly that it ships with a one-button mouse though. Even if it is stylish |
| 23:43.10 | findlay | welcome home xbmodder_lappy |
| 23:43.31 | xbmodder_lappy | hey findlay |
| 23:43.32 | lukfugl | the feel of the new one-button mice (in my hand) is much better than the hockey puck. But right-click is just so essential for so many things |
| 23:43.32 | xbmodder_lappy | hello |
| 23:43.53 | mheath | Oh, that was disappointing |
| 23:44.01 | mheath | I peeled off the top label |
| 23:44.07 | Maquis | and? |
| 23:44.23 | mheath | The lower one is identical except for the Apple logo and some Apple-Specific info |
| 23:44.50 | mheath | If this had ended up in an Apple, it's warranty would have ended last March :D |
| 23:45.34 | erj | haha |
| 23:46.08 | *** join/#utah franktank (jlevitre@unreal.ut.sco.com) |
| 23:46.24 | Slackware_kid | i like computers |
| 23:46.36 | sjansen | I like putty. |
| 23:46.53 | Maquis | ~praise my shell |
| 23:46.55 | ibot | All hail my shell! |
| 23:46.55 | vot4pedro | putty? |
| 23:47.08 | vot4pedro | putty sucks |
| 23:47.23 | Maquis | not guru blue putty! |
| 23:47.26 | Slackware_kid | i would only use it if i was using my windows box, which i don't! |
| 23:47.27 | sjansen | vot4pedro: You just have putty envy because we have an office full of it. |
| 23:47.28 | emcnabb | I like computers too |
| 23:47.41 | Slackware_kid | can i hit someone |
| 23:47.42 | lukfugl | PuTTy is awesome |
| 23:47.57 | Maquis | Slackware_kid: feel free to hit someone |
| 23:47.59 | sjansen | Slackware_kid: your siblings, then say the easter bunny made you do it |
| 23:48.03 | Maquis | may i recommend sjansen |
| 23:48.15 | wiggity | dataw0lf: no and after looking at this (http://www.scissorsisters.com/upload_files/image/1100001311_DSC_0051.jpg) I probably won't ever listen to them - scary |
| 23:48.31 | Slackware_kid | *hits sjansen for bieng stupid*(no offence) |
| 23:48.34 | synic | I believe that PuTTy is adequate, but not awesome. |
| 23:48.38 | synic | it could be better. |
| 23:48.48 | goozbach | d00d just smack |
| 23:48.58 | goozbach | don't apoligize |
| 23:49.04 | goozbach | ~smack sjansen |
| 23:49.06 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 23:49.06 | Slackware_kid | it's better than built in telnet for windows |
| 23:49.12 | sjansen | ~stab goozbach |
| 23:49.14 | ibot | ACTION runs at goozbach with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:49.15 | sjansen | ~beat goozbach |
| 23:49.18 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach with a large stick. |
| 23:49.18 | sjansen | ~chase goozbach |
| 23:49.20 | ibot | ACTION chases goozbach |
| 23:49.20 | Slackware_kid | hey, no upside the head smacks |
| 23:49.27 | goozbach | ~punt sjansen |
| 23:49.29 | Slackware_kid | ~falls out of window |
| 23:49.32 | dataw0lf | wiggity: www.dataw0lf.org/ss-takeyourmama.mp3 |
| 23:49.34 | dataw0lf | trust me. |
| 23:49.38 | Maquis | ~beat sjansen |
| 23:49.40 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen with a large stick. |
| 23:49.40 | sjansen | Slackware_kid: ~verb target |
| 23:49.47 | Slackware_kid | huh |
| 23:49.56 | Slackware_kid | what does ~verb target mean |
| 23:49.57 | sjansen | ~greet Slackware_kid |
| 23:49.59 | ibot | Hi Slackware_kid! |
| 23:49.59 | goozbach | that's this syntax for ibot |
| 23:50.20 | goozbach | the tilde so he listens then a verb then the target |
| 23:50.23 | wiggity | dataw0lf: is this hosted on your 28.8k :) |
| 23:50.24 | sjansen | See, English was useful for something after all. Learning to interact with ibot. |
| 23:50.32 | goozbach | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:50.32 | sjansen | goozbach: she |
| 23:50.41 | dataw0lf | wiggity: Is it slow? |
| 23:50.43 | wiggity | yeah |
| 23:50.44 | goozbach | she |
| 23:50.46 | Slackware_kid | me the greatest n00b ever |
| 23:50.51 | dataw0lf | wiggity: hm. |
| 23:50.56 | Slackware_kid | ok , i get the whole ~ thing now |
| 23:50.57 | wiggity | 17% complete... |
| 23:51.02 | Maquis | ~gender |
| 23:51.03 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 23:51.05 | sjansen | ~educate Slackware_kid |
| 23:51.08 | ibot | ACTION teaches Slackware_kid the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 23:51.10 | goozbach | ~gender |
| 23:51.12 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 23:51.16 | goozbach | ~sex |
| 23:51.17 | ibot | i heard sex is updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 23:51.18 | sjansen | ~ibot |
| 23:51.19 | ibot | [ibot] a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man |
| 23:51.35 | Maquis | goozbach: that one came out a bit scary |
| 23:52.01 | goozbach | I swear I didn't know |
| 23:52.14 | Maquis | i didn't either |
| 23:52.19 | sjansen | ibot, no sex is <reply> see gender |
| 23:52.20 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 23:52.34 | Slackware_kid | i am stupid |
| 23:52.43 | Maquis | this is what happens when timriker lets ibot wander around on a variety of channels |
| 23:52.47 | Maquis | Slackware_kid: why? |
| 23:53.09 | Slackware_kid | cause i thought there was a ghost in my house, now i am scared to go up there do get fod |
| 23:53.12 | Slackware_kid | *food |
| 23:53.12 | sjansen | ~i |
| 23:53.13 | ibot | well, i is foolish |
| 23:53.32 | goozbach | ~sjansen |
| 23:53.33 | ibot | somebody said sjansen was one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is, or my lover boy |
| 23:53.42 | wiggity | dataw0lf: no offense but scissor sisters aren't going to make it onto my iPod anytime soon |
| 23:53.42 | lukfugl | no, ibot, proper grammer is "I am foolish" |
| 23:53.46 | goozbach | lock sjansen |
| 23:53.46 | sjansen | hmmm, that topic was supposed to be locked |
| 23:53.54 | Slackware_kid | i like food |
| 23:53.56 | goozbach | ibot lock sjansen |
| 23:54.16 | dataw0lf | wiggity: what do you listen to? |
| 23:54.24 | wiggity | the link you sent - take your mama |
| 23:54.33 | dataw0lf | wiggity: no, music wise. |
| 23:54.37 | synic | dataw0lf, I liked it. |
| 23:54.48 | *** join/#utah wps (~wps@byu074602wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 23:55.04 | dataw0lf | synic: surprise, surprise. From a Pixies hater, even. |
| 23:55.16 | synic | well, these people don't sound like the pixies :P |
| 23:55.18 | wiggity | dataw0lf: oh - sorry. I have a lot of 80's stuff, lots of Toad, smooth jazz, classic rock, fingerstyle guitar etc |
| 23:55.37 | dataw0lf | wiggity: I see. |
| 23:55.51 | wiggity | dataw0lf: is SS related to the pixies somehow? |
| 23:56.15 | dataw0lf | wiggity: no, synic just hates the Pixies, which means he has no musical taste. |
| 23:56.20 | wiggity | roger |
| 23:56.38 | synic | lol |
| 23:56.39 | synic | :P |
| 23:56.43 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:56.59 | dataw0lf | dude, Michael Jackson could rock the mike when he was 9 |
| 23:57.53 | synic | well, while we're at it |
| 23:57.59 | wiggity | those guys opened for Toad in SLC - they were cool |
| 23:58.17 | dataw0lf | oh no. |
| 23:58.22 | dataw0lf | put it away synic. |
| 23:58.54 | dataw0lf | here's the biggest switch from Jackson 5 to.. |
| 23:59.13 | wiggity | hehe.. |
| 23:59.17 | Slackware_kid | has anyone seen "Zoolander" besides me |
| 23:59.24 | dataw0lf | Zoolander rocks. |
| 23:59.25 | lukfugl | one of those days... |
| 23:59.28 | dataw0lf | but not as much as Rage. |
| 23:59.55 | Slackware_kid | zoolander is funny |
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