| 00:00.00 | dataw0lf | byronc: try growisofs, but mheath is probably right. |
| 00:00.57 | mheath | Argh! ATAPI or SCSI |
| 00:01.07 | byronc | well, it's a usb burner so I'm trying to burn over sg (dev=0,0,0) |
| 00:01.35 | mheath | Ew. Strace on cdrecord... |
| 00:01.56 | sjansen | Maquis: cdrecord used to use the SCSI abstration layer so you'd have to probe to find the correct device name, but now it can use device paths like /dev/hdc ; it also does a pretty good job of auto-detecting burner speed |
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| 00:02.31 | byronc | sjansen: does that work for "scsi" drives also or just ide/atapi? |
| 00:02.39 | Maquis | sjansen: oh... ok :) |
| 00:02.43 | Maquis | thanks :) |
| 00:02.47 | sjansen | byronc: Don't know. Give it a try. |
| 00:03.03 | mheath | byronc, are you sure your drive is 1,0,0? (Yeah, I know, stupid question...doesn't hurt to double check, though) |
| 00:03.08 | mheath | er |
| 00:03.10 | mheath | 0,0,0 |
| 00:03.57 | byronc | mheath: it's always x,0,0 depending on if I've plugged in other usb devices. |
| 00:04.08 | mheath | Er, perhaps theres a better question: |
| 00:04.14 | mheath | does cdrecord -scanbus pick up your drive? |
| 00:04.27 | byronc | after a 'modprobe sg', yes |
| 00:04.53 | mheath | And what exactly is happening when you try to burn with dev=0,0,0? |
| 00:08.55 | byronc | Here's the output |
| 00:08.56 | byronc | http://paste.lisp.org/display/4777 |
| 00:09.08 | byronc | cdrecord never gets past this point |
| 00:10.03 | byronc | using dev=/dev/scd0 gives the same behavior |
| 00:10.57 | byronc | ahh, except I can't even kill -9 the cdrecord process when I use dev=/dev/scd0 |
| 00:11.33 | mheath | Um |
| 00:11.36 | sjansen | Lisppaste pastes can be made by anyone at any time. Imagine a fearsomely comprehensive disclaimer of liability. Now fear, comprehensively. |
| 00:11.40 | mheath | NEVER kill -9 cdrecord |
| 00:12.07 | Maquis | mheath: why? |
| 00:12.11 | mheath | cdrecord has to put your drives into some special states to burn CDs |
| 00:12.23 | mheath | If you kill -9, you heavily risk permanent damage to your drive. |
| 00:12.29 | Maquis | really? |
| 00:12.34 | Maquis | that's good to know... |
| 00:12.56 | mheath | Yeah. Usually it's not a problem, but it really can happen and it's therefore NOT a good idea. |
| 00:14.04 | sjansen | First time for me too, although it makes sense.... You'd think hardware vendors would be more robust though. |
| 00:14.09 | ECS | any other hardware with such weaknesses? Video cards? |
| 00:14.13 | sjansen | A good power cycle should cure it. |
| 00:14.20 | mheath | If you can do a normal TERM sig or even a KILL sig, do it. Just don't do kill -9 on cdrecord unless you can't help it. |
| 00:14.40 | mheath | sjansen, yeah. You can EASILY have problems with cdrecord that put the drive into an unuseable state.. |
| 00:14.43 | sjansen | That's just good common sense. |
| 00:15.08 | mheath | Usually reinitializing the drive (which basically means rebooting in modern computers *gags*) fixes the problems. |
| 00:15.18 | sjansen | Although I've seen alot of people that go straight to kill -9 |
| 00:15.28 | mheath | ECS, not usually. |
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| 00:17.28 | byronc | so, after hitting Ctrl-C enough times cdrecord decided to close. I pulled the USB cable and the computer oopsed |
| 00:18.00 | mheath | Agh, this is a pain! |
| 00:18.57 | mheath | ESD (At least, I'm almost certain it's ESD) keeps having problems... |
| 00:19.17 | mheath | Every so often, it will glitch up and repeat the same little segment of sound into infinity. |
| 00:20.34 | mheath | Dropline's definitely gone down hill since the maintainer left (Now it's community driven..) |
| 00:20.34 | sjansen | esd is a piece of trash |
| 00:20.39 | byronc | and of course, the burner works properly from my wife's computer, with the ubuntu 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:21.11 | mheath | I've had weird, idiotically stupid problems that equate to nothing more than the package maintainers stupidity. |
| 00:21.53 | mheath | Like, several of the packages include /usr/info/dir, which overrides my texinfo dir file with a nearly empty one! |
| 00:23.01 | ECS | My CD setup wouldn't recognize both drives when I put in the new board and AMD64 on Christmas. |
| 00:23.24 | ECS | I messed with a bunch of things before switching the IDE cable, and it worked fine |
| 00:23.41 | ECS | cheap ASUS IDE cables. . . |
| 00:27.34 | mheath | Be right back. |
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| 00:34.29 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen for being graduated... |
| 00:34.51 | Maquis | ~flog sjansen |
| 00:34.53 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties sjansen and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 00:35.39 | mheath | sjansen, I doubt you have. |
| 00:35.59 | mheath | If I remember correctly, someone told me most people here lived down in the Provo-ish area. |
| 00:36.03 | mheath | I'm up here in Ogden. |
| 00:36.36 | sjansen | Nope, I haven't then. Although now that I work in Bountiful I've been thinking about hitting an OAUG meeting. |
| 00:37.24 | jakea | Maquis, I graduated twice and I'm still here |
| 00:37.26 | mheath | I never get to those |
| 00:37.36 | mheath | I went to one, didn't like it too much. |
| 00:37.36 | Maquis | jakea: that's your own problem... |
| 00:37.40 | sjansen | http://map.search.ch/ |
| 00:37.59 | sjansen | Now there's a good use of Web standards. |
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| 00:39.44 | Maquis | spr: did you make it into history of creativity? |
| 00:40.00 | mheath | Anyway, even if you did live in my area, I'm not particularly a social person |
| 00:40.50 | mheath | You wouldn't be too likely to meet me anyway |
| 00:41.20 | spr | Maquis, monday night :) |
| 00:41.25 | Maquis | spr: good... |
| 00:41.27 | Maquis | just checking |
| 00:41.50 | Maquis | they had a lottery in the daytime section for who would be able to take the 40 spots that they were allowing add cards to take... |
| 00:41.52 | sjansen | Too bad, seem a rather experienced person. Always helpful to know such. |
| 00:42.11 | Maquis | (we moved from 219 to 260... and there were about 40 or 50 people who went away very disappointed... |
| 00:42.15 | Maquis | ) |
| 00:44.48 | mheath | Hmm. Anyone have any suggestions on where I should go to college? Right now, I go to BHS, and I'm in early college at Weber State..... |
| 00:45.36 | mheath | I'm looking at going to Weber State next fall full time, then (after I get my bachelors) going to Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. |
| 00:45.37 | sjansen | Well... CMU looks cool. Some pretty good stuff has come out of Berkley. Can hardly go wrong with MIT. |
| 00:45.59 | mheath | sjansen, hahah. My grades aren't nearly good enough for either of those. |
| 00:46.05 | sjansen | Perhaps you'd like to be more specific about what you're looking for. |
| 00:46.06 | mheath | er, any of those |
| 00:46.35 | Newsome | Doesn't really matter. Most colleges suck. |
| 00:47.08 | mheath | sjansen, I'm looking into two different things right now.... |
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| 00:47.28 | mheath | Electronic Engineering, mainly. I'm also eyeing the Distributed and Parallel Computer Systems degree @ vrije universiteit |
| 00:47.56 | sjansen | And what do you want out of a university? |
| 00:48.05 | sjansen | Prestige, price, culture, etc? |
| 00:48.52 | mheath | culture, good classes |
| 00:49.05 | mheath | I want interesting classes, taught well, that I can learn from. |
| 00:49.41 | mheath | Price isn't necessarily an issue. I can always take out loans, and I'll probably qualify for at least several scholarships. |
| 00:50.08 | sjansen | graduate or undergraduate? |
| 00:50.43 | mheath | undergraduate to begin with (I'm currently a senior in highschool), but I plan on going on to a graduate program |
| 00:51.22 | sjansen | doesn't much matter where you go for undergrad, although slightly smaller is usually better because it will give you a good chance to intereact with professors |
| 00:51.52 | mheath | Northface Univ. has been bugging me. |
| 00:52.00 | sjansen | locally, BYU has a pretty good EE program and a nice professor/student ratio |
| 00:52.31 | dataw0lf | Northface University wouldn't be worth it. |
| 00:52.39 | sjansen | good opportunity to work with professors on projects, and if you really dive in there's even a chance of getting published while you're and undergrad |
| 00:52.52 | sjansen | anyone can get access to the BYU super computers if they have a good enough reason |
| 00:53.12 | sjansen | getting published as an undergrad looks good and will do alot to help you get into a good graduate school |
| 00:53.18 | mheath | I'm not Morman. |
| 00:53.22 | sjansen | so? |
| 00:53.33 | dataw0lf | Do you want to go to school locally? |
| 00:53.37 | sjansen | You've hopefully already learned to put up with 'em. |
| 00:53.48 | mheath | I thought BYU required you to be Mormon? |
| 00:54.03 | Maquis | mheath: nope |
| 00:54.08 | sjansen | Nope, but you have to pay slightly more. Price is still very reasonable. |
| 00:54.33 | mheath | Plus, my GPA isn't good enough to get into BYU. |
| 00:54.39 | sjansen | no matter where you go, though, you'll have to jump through a bunch of annoying and pointless hoops |
| 00:54.53 | dataw0lf | I suggest going to school. |
| 00:55.02 | dataw0lf | I dropped out after my first semester at Purdue and went into the Army. |
| 00:55.04 | dataw0lf | Big mistake. |
| 00:55.06 | Maquis | byu might have more annoying hoops... but... that's what we expect... |
| 00:55.25 | mheath | Right now, my GPA is 3.2, but a high ACT score compensates for that (for the most part..) |
| 00:55.37 | dataw0lf | Try Purdue, if you don't mind going out of state. |
| 00:55.39 | sjansen | What matters most is what do you outside of classes while an undergrad. Get good enough grades to show that you can survive, then do something to set yourself apart for the graduate stage. |
| 00:56.16 | sjansen | mheath: Do you know your ACT score yet? |
| 00:56.24 | sjansen | Purdue is a good school. |