| 00:02.13 | levi | Tene: You should look at Seaside. |
| 00:04.20 | levi | Smalltalk is an incredibly easy language to learn, as it's got a very consistent metaphor and ridiculously simple syntax. |
| 00:04.33 | levi | And a set of very powerful programming tools. |
| 00:05.07 | levi | Someone's even implemented vi keybindings for the code editor in the Browser. :) |
| 00:05.19 | levi | In Squeak, that is. |
| 00:05.27 | Jayce^ | mod_perl is easy to install |
| 00:05.32 | Jayce^ | apt-get :) |
| 00:06.16 | sjansen | and configure? |
| 00:06.32 | sjansen | Install is easy. Configure is the harder part. |
| 00:06.36 | Tene | so... got an iptables question... |
| 00:07.21 | Tene | I want to block access to the internet to particular machines on my network. I just want to confirm that I should put the rule in the FORWARD chain of the filter table. |
| 00:08.51 | tensai | Tene: FORWARD chain is for packets passing through the box but not stopping |
| 00:09.01 | tensai | packets bound for the box go in INPUT. they are strictly separate |
| 00:09.51 | tensai | that's a feature I find highly valuable. cisco's only have in and out. a packet passing through will hit both. |
| 00:10.06 | Tene | tensai: I want to block them from getting through the router if they're trying to access the internet, but still allow them to talk to other boxes on the LAN |
| 00:16.13 | tensai | yes, FORWARD is the right chain. the router shouldn't even see any LAN traffic other than what is destined for it. |
| 00:16.38 | hans | is there a biff-liek prog for the gnome panel? |
| 00:17.16 | Tene | thanks, tensai |
| 00:17.17 | Tene | ack |
| 00:18.50 | sjansen | ~hug sed |
| 00:18.54 | ibot | ACTION hugs sed |
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| 00:19.27 | sjansen | hans: there was |
| 00:19.34 | sjansen | might still be |
| 00:19.47 | sjansen | but since you're on Debian, it's probably so old that there is for sure |
| 00:19.49 | Patater | barlow |
| 00:20.22 | sjansen | hans: Inbox Monitor in Gnome 2.8 |
| 00:20.38 | hans | dang. that one doesn't even do ssl |
| 00:21.22 | Tene | hmm... doesn't seem to be working... |
| 00:23.04 | sjansen | ~hug vim |
| 00:23.06 | ibot | ACTION hugs vim |
| 00:25.51 | Jayce^ | see y'all in a week, or off an on over the next week. |
| 00:25.58 | Jayce^ | happy thanksgiving |
| 00:26.43 | Tene | anyone here mind helping me get some iptables stuff working? |
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| 00:40.23 | sjk36 | |lart Maquis |
| 00:40.38 | sjk36 | wow, the spork |
| 00:40.40 | Tene | ~lart Maquis |
| 00:41.06 | sjk36 | Mecworks, I wanted to ask you about your new box last night. |
| 00:51.44 | Maquis | |kart SpecialK_ |
| 00:52.29 | Maquis | mmm... paper... that's right... |
| 00:56.54 | levi | What are you writing a paper on? |
| 01:05.40 | Maquis | levi: it's a linux newbies manual |
| 01:06.07 | Maquis | i'm revising version 1.0, then posting a link to download here so that if anyone wants to look over it and provide feedback, they can :) |
| 01:10.29 | levi | Maquis: Is this for a class, or just for fun? |
| 01:10.35 | Maquis | levi: for technical writing |
| 01:10.36 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:10.52 | Maquis | |lart capitalization |
| 01:11.04 | Maquis | honestly... it's FluxBox, Openbox and evilwm |
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| 01:11.29 | Maquis | who wants to bet that my english teacher is going to comment on the inconsistent capitalization in that? |
| 01:13.29 | levi | Heh. Well, at least you have a defense. Perhaps you could make them boldface to set them off as program names. |
| 01:13.43 | levi | It's time for me to head home now, though. |
| 01:16.05 | goozbach | Maquis: let me know when you get that ver 1.0 done... |
| 01:16.33 | goozbach | I'm going to a concert in a bit but I'll give it a once-over before I leave for the weekend. |
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| 01:29.51 | Maquis | goozbach: 1.1? |
| 01:29.59 | Maquis | 1.0 is what you got earlier |
| 01:30.05 | Maquis | but 1.1 is coming up soon |
| 01:30.08 | Maquis | how soon do you need it? |
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| 02:02.15 | Maquis | i just can't win |
| 02:02.24 | Maquis | try to make red curry... |
| 02:02.46 | Maquis | it's definitely too spicy, and practically flavorless |
| 02:03.34 | Maquis | maybe the leftovers tomorrow will be better |
| 02:33.57 | goozbach | Maquis: whichever is the newest, and by like 10am tomorrow |
| 02:34.03 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:34.23 | Maquis | question: is there a key command to always set selected material (in ooffice) to a pre-chosen font? |
| 02:34.36 | goozbach | don't hurry to finish on my account. |
| 02:34.40 | Maquis | no prob |
| 02:34.48 | Maquis | i'm planning on getting it done tonight |
| 02:34.58 | goozbach | I don't do a lot of writing in oofice |
| 02:35.09 | Maquis | i hopefully won't starting next semester |
| 02:35.32 | goozbach | whenever I'm writing stuff like that I'm using latex/html/xml or framemaker |
| 02:35.46 | Maquis | i'm determined to switch to latex... was going to do this in latex, but kinda-sorta procrastinated to the last second, and don't know latex well enough :) |
| 02:36.48 | tensai | Maquis: explain what you mean. are you using styles? |
| 02:37.04 | goozbach | 19:36:35 up 6 days, 19:29, 7 users, load average: 0.55, 0.88, 1.04 |
| 02:37.07 | Maquis | tensai: not using styles, but willing to... |
| 02:37.11 | Maquis | goozbach: huh? |
| 02:37.14 | goozbach | not bad for a laptop |
| 02:37.30 | goozbach | 6days 19:36 uptime for my laptop |
| 02:37.30 | tensai | I sometimes get 3-4 days |
| 02:37.48 | tensai | suspend doesn't work reliably |
| 02:37.49 | goozbach | too bad I'm gonna have to reboot here in a bit |
| 02:37.53 | Maquis | tensai: i'm having to change a lot of lines and such to the courier font, and i'm getting tired of having to always be reaching up and grabbing the font out of the list |
| 02:38.29 | tensai | Maquis: I love styles. They make it so easy to change fonts, sizes, etc. It's kinda like CSS for HTML, if you're familiar |
| 02:38.43 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 02:38.53 | tensai | bring up the stylist |
| 02:38.54 | Maquis | is it easy to switch styles with just a keystroke?> |
| 02:38.59 | sjansen | tensai: but they still have to be applied |
| 02:39.12 | sjansen | tensai: she's looking for a fast way to apply a style to text |
| 02:39.15 | Maquis | see, the only difference i have is fonts... |
| 02:39.16 | tensai | it can be done with a double click |
| 02:39.24 | Maquis | a double-click? |
| 02:39.39 | Maquis | ok... where's the style-list? |
| 02:39.40 | sjansen | define a style, keep the stylist window open to the side |
| 02:39.44 | tensai | select the text you want to apply the style to. double click the style you want in the stylist |
| 02:39.47 | sjansen | select, click in sylist to apply |
| 02:39.51 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 02:39.59 | Maquis | currently i'm doing select, click font box |
| 02:40.02 | tensai | in the menu bar. looks like a compass |
| 02:40.28 | tensai | I don't have OO installed on this machine so I can't follow along. :( |
| 02:40.43 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:40.46 | Maquis | i've got it up |
| 02:40.54 | tensai | right click and choose "New..." |
| 02:41.14 | tensai | give it a name. go over to the font tab and choose the font you like |
| 02:41.17 | Maquis | no wait... |
| 02:41.21 | Maquis | i don't think this is what we want |
| 02:41.28 | Maquis | it was a compass, but it's the document navigator |
| 02:41.37 | Maquis | and there's no "new" |
| 02:41.38 | tensai | oops my bad. it's the icon right next to that then. |
| 02:41.51 | Maquis | that looks more like it |
| 02:41.56 | tensai | although the navigator is cool too |
| 02:42.15 | Maquis | ok... |
| 02:42.22 | Maquis | so i've got it open, and i've got a name for it |
| 02:42.41 | tensai | click on the font tab and choose your font |
| 02:43.00 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:43.07 | Maquis | i think i got it |
| 02:43.08 | Maquis | thanks |
| 02:43.08 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:43.30 | tensai | you can also define spacing, borders and that sort of thing. really handy |
| 02:43.38 | Maquis | cool :) |
| 02:44.11 | goozbach | it wants to replace module-init-tools. |
| 02:44.20 | sjansen | fun |
| 02:44.23 | tensai | if you use the Heading and List styles, the navigator will use them to generate an outline |
| 02:44.40 | Maquis | cool stuff |
| 02:44.51 | sjansen | although you have to manually regenerate it after adding or removing headings |
| 02:45.04 | goozbach | 220 upgraded, 25 newly installed, 5 replaced, 1 removed and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:45.27 | tensai | the navigator? it updates itself. and you can move sections up and down in the navigator. it magically rearranges your document |
| 02:45.53 | tensai | or did you mean the automatic table of contents. yeah, that has to be updated manually |
| 02:47.05 | Maquis | goozbach: ???? |
| 02:47.09 | Maquis | date? |
| 02:47.25 | goozbach | dist-upgrade |
| 02:47.29 | Maquis | oh... |
| 02:47.29 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:47.39 | goozbach | but if that'd work.... |
| 02:47.46 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:48.17 | goozbach | I thought about hooking up with a groupie from the concert tonight... |
| 02:48.31 | Maquis | what concert? |
| 02:48.34 | goozbach | but then I realized it was a pink floyd concert, |
| 02:48.37 | sjansen | until he realized they'd probably all be over 45. |
| 02:48.46 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:49.54 | goozbach | that'd go over well with the fam. "like you to meet my new GF Carol... she's 43 has three kids and a grandkid on the way." |
| 02:56.50 | goozbach | "<mmurphy> Millions of young Americans will head home next week to give thanks, eat turkey and fix their parents computers" |
| 02:57.07 | Maquis | goozbach: yup :) |
| 02:57.20 | Maquis | my mom's palm pilot batteries should be dead by now |
| 02:57.54 | Maquis | she for some reason can never manage to change them herself, so every time i go home for a break, i'm in charge of changing them for her |
| 02:58.05 | Maquis | she's probably forgotten how to use her ipod too |
| 02:58.10 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:58.33 | Maquis | So, technically, '/home/erins/' could be referred to as '/home/./erins/././' if we really felt like referring to it that way. |
| 02:58.37 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:00.05 | goozbach | yep or /home/erins/../././erins |
| 03:00.16 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:00.35 | Maquis | that line was before i introduced ../ though :) |
| 03:02.58 | Maquis | vote: should command-names be listed in the glossary at the end of the manual? |
| 03:03.30 | goozbach | sure |
| 03:03.45 | Maquis | k... :) |
| 03:04.19 | Maquis | guessing that glossary will not make it into the 1.1 version of the manual, but it'll get in there eventually :) |
| 03:05.38 | Maquis | more number keys??? |
| 03:05.45 | goozbach | I've got 11 windows open under irssi |
| 03:05.58 | Maquis | use alt-q |
| 03:06.05 | goozbach | alt-1 through alt-0 isn't cutting it anymore |
| 03:06.16 | Maquis | i heard from someone that you can go on to the next line of keys and it still works |
| 03:06.34 | Maquis | does that work? |
| 03:07.28 | goozbach | WAHOO |
| 03:07.33 | Maquis | did it work? |
| 03:07.49 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:07.51 | goozbach | iow yes |
| 03:08.27 | Maquis | yay! |
| 03:10.51 | LeviHome | |urls |
| 03:10.51 | brigham | [2004/11/19 16:46:56] <levi> http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/paulgraham/bbnexcerpts.txt |
| 03:10.51 | brigham | [2004/11/19 16:09:59] <ibot> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 03:10.51 | brigham | [2004/11/19 15:21:56] <levi> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Archive/Papers/Duca04eSeaside.pdf |
| 03:10.51 | brigham | [2004/11/19 15:07:15] <tensai> http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=intuitive |
| 03:11.12 | LeviHome | Darn, doesn't go back far enough. |
| 03:11.25 | Maquis | LeviHome: how far back do you want? |
| 03:11.33 | sjansen | LeviHome: it can go farther |
| 03:11.37 | Maquis | http://ibot.rikers.org/utah/ ?? |
| 03:11.46 | sjansen | |urls 10 |
| 03:11.46 | brigham | [2004/11/19 20:11:38] <Maquis> http://ibot.rikers.org/utah/ |
| 03:11.46 | brigham | [2004/11/19 16:46:56] <levi> http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/paulgraham/bbnexcerpts.txt |
| 03:11.46 | brigham | [2004/11/19 16:09:59] <ibot> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 03:11.46 | brigham | [2004/11/19 15:21:56] <levi> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Archive/Papers/Duca04eSeaside.pdf |
| 03:11.48 | brigham | [2004/11/19 15:07:15] <tensai> http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=intuitive |
| 03:11.48 | brigham | [2004/11/19 14:21:29] <sjansen> http://www-sop.inria.fr/mimosa/fp/Skribe/index.html |
| 03:11.50 | goozbach | thank you Maquis ! |
| 03:12.01 | Maquis | not a problem :) |
| 03:12.05 | LeviHome | I was going to suggest Maquis use Skribe for her paper. ;) |
| 03:12.11 | Maquis | you've taught me a number of things as well |
| 03:12.13 | sjansen | not at this point |
| 03:12.16 | LeviHome | Mostly in jest, of course. |
| 03:12.17 | Maquis | LeviHome: skribe? |
| 03:12.21 | Maquis | what's that? |
| 03:12.35 | LeviHome | It's that last link in the url list brigham just spit out. |
| 03:12.41 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:12.51 | LeviHome | It's a document formatting language. |
| 03:13.04 | sjansen | based on scheme |
| 03:13.14 | sjansen | but because you haven't learned it yet, that probably doesn't mean much |
| 03:13.16 | goozbach | based on scheme |
| 03:13.25 | Maquis | yeah.. |
| 03:13.29 | LeviHome | Maybe you could put your paper into it afterwards, when you have some free time. |
| 03:13.32 | Maquis | next year i'll learn scheme |
| 03:13.46 | Maquis | LeviHome: i'm interested in sticking it into latex at some point |
| 03:13.50 | LeviHome | You don't really need to know scheme to use the basics of skribe, though. |
| 03:13.59 | LeviHome | Skribe will turn it into latex for you. |
| 03:14.02 | LeviHome | And HTML. |
| 03:14.10 | LeviHome | And PDF. |
| 03:14.35 | Maquis | yes, but i'd like to actually pick up latex at some point |
| 03:14.38 | LeviHome | goozbach: Scheme is cool. |
| 03:14.51 | Maquis | so far the only things i've done with it were a couple moderately complicated prescription forms |
| 03:15.43 | LeviHome | Once you learn scheme, putting it in Skribe will seem much more useful. I was mostly just joking, though. |
| 03:16.29 | LeviHome | sjansen: You look at seaside yet? |
| 03:16.44 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:16.55 | sjansen | LeviHome: reading it right now |
| 03:17.29 | goozbach | LeviHome: I'm just being facetious |
| 03:17.54 | sjansen | goozbach: maybe, but your taste is already suspect having admitted to liking asp |
| 03:18.11 | LeviHome | goozbach: Good. :) |
| 03:18.22 | LeviHome | goozbach: You should look at seaside too, if you do ASP. |
| 03:18.37 | Maquis | goozbach: no kidding... asp is painful |
| 03:19.35 | shadoi | someone has a latex fetish it sounds like. |
| 03:19.59 | Maquis | does debian install from rpms? |
| 03:20.09 | Maquis | s/does/can |
| 03:20.11 | sjansen | from .deb s |
| 03:20.15 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:20.54 | sjansen | they have there own package system |
| 03:21.02 | LeviHome | .deb is a package format like .rpm, but different. |
| 03:21.09 | Maquis | yeah... I wasn't certain because I know that they use apt-get... |
| 03:21.22 | shadoi | Maquis: yes, it can install rpms, but I'd recommend using alien to convert them to debs. |
| 03:21.46 | Maquis | I'm primarily focusing the manual toward fedora/mandrake... |
| 03:22.26 | Maquis | that's really all we'll ever give them at an installfest anyways... |
| 03:22.52 | shadoi | why force-feed them the worst? |
| 03:23.05 | Maquis | shadoi: ??? |
| 03:23.17 | shadoi | ah.. nothing, nevermind. |
| 03:23.17 | sjansen | because debian users are too lazy and/or proud to help with installfests :-P |
| 03:23.34 | shadoi | I'll bring a load of ubuntu discs and throw them at people if that'll help... :) |
| 03:23.52 | sjansen | shadoi: only if you're will to provide support |
| 03:24.04 | shadoi | what, like struts? |
| 03:24.27 | Maquis | also, fedora and mandrake are moderately easy to install |
| 03:24.54 | shadoi | the sarge installer is brain-dead easy. |
| 03:24.59 | LeviHome | Maquis: Debian is the origin of apt-get |
| 03:25.12 | Maquis | at the beginning of the last installfest, each of the 4 or 5 of us there was covering multiple computers at once |
| 03:25.12 | LeviHome | And apt-get originally just used .debs |
| 03:25.22 | shadoi | APT has nothing to do with debs actually. |
| 03:25.30 | shadoi | It's just a manager |
| 03:25.40 | Maquis | and emcnabb and amcnabb kept getting moved from computer to computer to resolve the intall issues |
| 03:25.53 | goozbach | apt4rpm is kinda dangerous sometimes |
| 03:26.00 | LeviHome | Yeah, but originally it wasn't set up to work outside of Debian. |
| 03:26.05 | goozbach | because it wasn't built around rpms |
| 03:26.07 | shadoi | LeviHome: true, true.. |
| 03:26.12 | sjansen | yum is finally a better choice |
| 03:26.23 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:26.32 | shadoi | yum has lots of inadequacies, but it's a good start. |
| 03:26.44 | sjansen | with the exception of not having a replacement for synaptic |
| 03:26.47 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:26.53 | sjansen | shadoi: you haven't used fc3 yet |
| 03:27.02 | Maquis | it's interesting... i think we're supposed to be citing sources in this paper... |
| 03:27.18 | sjansen | Maquis: you can cite goozbach and I |
| 03:27.23 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:27.28 | Maquis | and #utah in general |
| 03:27.50 | Maquis | i think i'll ask my professor about that when i meet with her on tuesday |
| 03:27.56 | LeviHome | What's the proper citation for an IRC channel? |
| 03:28.06 | Maquis | LeviHome: good question |
| 03:30.07 | shadoi | sjansen: true, I'll remedy that tomorrow. :) |
| 03:30.26 | Maquis | |lart firefox for seg-faulting *yet* *again*!!!! |
| 03:30.42 | sjansen | still discovering how much has changed, but fc3 yum is a noticeable improvement |
| 03:31.01 | sjansen | Maquis: try disabling java |
| 03:31.03 | shadoi | Maquis: never crashes on me in debian. :P |
| 03:31.28 | sjansen | shadoi: of for me on fc2/3 |
| 03:31.34 | LeviHome | I guess the key is not to run Firefox in Gentoo. |
| 03:31.48 | LeviHome | My Firefox at work crashes way too much. |
| 03:31.51 | Maquis | or maybe i just killed something a while back... |
| 03:31.57 | LeviHome | Works fine on my Mac, though. |
| 03:32.35 | shadoi | Maquis: you could look at the way Fedora or Debian compile firefox and modify your ebuild. |
| 03:33.06 | Maquis | shadoi: i'm not necessarily thinking that it's a problem with the ebuild |
| 03:33.21 | Maquis | more likely a problem with something i did elsewhere |
| 03:33.46 | shadoi | Maquis: you're not the only person I've heard having problems with it. |
| 03:33.47 | Maquis | it crashed when i had the bin version installed too... |
| 03:34.18 | Maquis | i had hoped that the update to "stable" would fix it... |
| 03:34.22 | LeviHome | shadoi: It crashes when I download the binary installer. It just doesn't like Gentoo. |
| 03:34.25 | Maquis | but nope... :) |
| 03:34.52 | shadoi | color me surprised. |
| 03:34.54 | LeviHome | Maquis: Opera works nicely. |
| 03:35.06 | LeviHome | Even on Gentoo. |
| 03:35.35 | Maquis | is there a really light-weight version? |
| 03:35.46 | Maquis | or is it more like mozilla than firefox? |
| 03:36.46 | LeviHome | Opera is really lightweight. It's a pretty small download. |
| 03:36.52 | LeviHome | What seems 'heavy' about it? |
| 03:36.55 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:36.56 | Maquis | i don't know |
| 03:37.09 | Maquis | i just wasn't very fond of it that one time i tried it... |
| 03:37.11 | sjansen | the annoying adds |
| 03:37.16 | sjansen | the giant bar at the top |
| 03:37.24 | Maquis | yeah... that's probably what it was |
| 03:37.36 | LeviHome | You can re-theme it and change options to make it look different, to some extent. |
| 03:37.41 | LeviHome | Well, the ads go away if you buy it. |
| 03:37.42 | Maquis | i remember that there was something that really bugged me about it, and that's probably what it was |
| 03:37.51 | LeviHome | They're all google text ads now, though. |
| 03:37.58 | sjansen | LeviHome: pay for software?! |
| 03:37.58 | Maquis | goozbach: congrats!!! |
| 03:38.21 | goozbach | hello this is me on wireless |
| 03:38.26 | LeviHome | sjansen: Yeah, like the OS on my Mac. :) |
| 03:38.29 | Maquis | LeviHome: no chance i'm paying money for software right now... check again in a couple years |
| 03:38.34 | sjansen | goozbach is very excited |
| 03:38.55 | Maquis | goozbach: only 26 hours late : |
| 03:38.56 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:39.07 | LeviHome | Maquis: Well, I didn't pay for Opera either, I just deal with the ads. It's worth it for a browser that doesn't crash at inopportune times, and completely saves its state when it does. |
| 03:39.18 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 03:39.23 | Maquis | might as well give it another try |
| 03:39.43 | LeviHome | I do all my long-term browsing in Opera, and leave firefox open with stuff I don't care if I lose track of when it crashes. |
| 03:39.50 | goozbach | my laptop is super sexy |
| 03:40.40 | Maquis | goozbach: i'm just not as big of a fan of the look... |
| 03:40.58 | sjansen | nah, mine all the way |
| 03:41.06 | Maquis | sjansen: what kind do you have? |
| 03:41.18 | Maquis | btw: for a *really* cool laptop, see spr's |
| 03:41.32 | goozbach | Maquis: wait till my bro-in-law gets done with the coverart |
| 03:41.50 | sjansen | amd64 with a 1920x1200 screen |
| 03:41.50 | Maquis | it'd be hard to use because it's so small, but it's still pretty sweet! |
| 03:41.57 | Maquis | sjansen: ooooooohh |
| 03:42.20 | Maquis | sjansen: how big is the screen? |
| 03:42.38 | sjansen | Laptops are like umbrellas--meant to be used, not carried. |
| 03:42.40 | goozbach | Maquis: http://slcff.com/images/dath_background.jpg this is what it's gonna look like |
| 03:42.56 | LeviHome | Laptops are supposed to fit on your lap. |
| 03:43.18 | LeviHome | I prefer desktop computers for computing, and laptops as a mobile alternative when necessary. |
| 03:43.19 | Maquis | goozbach: now *that* is sexy! |
| 03:43.27 | Maquis | LeviHome: i'm the opposite... |
| 03:43.34 | goozbach | and not break your back when you are running from one end of an airport to another |
| 03:43.44 | sjansen | I've tried running multiple computers. Too much work. |
| 03:43.49 | Maquis | my desktop takes up so much room on my desk (big ugly monitor that i got for 25$) |
| 03:44.00 | Maquis | so, i sit at my bed, and do everything from here |
| 03:44.11 | Maquis | when i use my desktop, it's always remote |
| 03:44.14 | LeviHome | sjansen: It's not hard if they're Macs. I don't really do anything to this one but use it. |
| 03:44.16 | Maquis | goozbach: ok... i'll email you :) |
| 03:44.26 | goozbach | Maquis: just /msg me |
| 03:44.30 | Maquis | k :) |
| 03:44.35 | goozbach | i might not check the email |
| 03:44.39 | sjansen | LeviHome: sure it is files in the wrong place, keeping security updated, etc. |
| 03:44.45 | goozbach | but I will check the messages |
| 03:44.55 | Maquis | l |
| 03:44.56 | Maquis | k |
| 03:45.03 | Maquis | i check both regularly :) |
| 03:45.20 | goozbach | I need to remember to install airsnort to find an open AP at my parents' house this next week |
| 03:45.31 | Maquis | airsnort? not airfart? |
| 03:45.32 | LeviHome | Laptops are just so unergonomic, unless you attach an external keyboard and mouse. |
| 03:46.02 | goozbach | LeviHome: I aggree, but for travel, nothing beats a nice light 14" |
| 03:46.07 | Maquis | goozbach: if you use wlan-ng, you can use evan's software... :) |
| 03:46.18 | goozbach | or 15" in my case |
| 03:46.26 | LeviHome | sjansen: The files work fine where they are, and it automatically downloads security updates. |
| 03:46.26 | goozbach | bye for real now |
| 03:46.29 | Maquis | bye |
| 03:46.38 | LeviHome | goozbach: Sure, laptops are great for travel. |
| 03:46.42 | LeviHome | Bye! |
| 03:49.23 | LeviHome | I like my Mac because I have no desire to fiddle with the OS. I don't have to do anything to make it look pretty. I don't have to fight with it to get it to do media stuff. But I can still do cool unixy stuff on it if I want. |
| 03:51.16 | goozbach | testing from the car |
| 03:51.20 | goozbach | freaking cool |
| 03:51.37 | Maquis | haha |
| 03:51.43 | goozbach | sjansen: I guess it does reach |
| 03:52.42 | tensai | goozbach: don't forget kismet. great war driving tool. |
| 03:52.53 | sjansen | goozbach: wow |
| 03:53.04 | LeviHome | Sweet, Squeak will look up a method for you based on example inputs and the output you want. |
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| 03:54.20 | Maquis | howdy emcnabb :) |
| 03:55.08 | LeviHome | In the Selector Finder, you can write: 'abc' . 2 . $b and it will find the at: message for you. |
| 03:55.38 | LeviHome | 'abc' at: 2 returns $b, where $b is the character b. |
| 04:03.03 | *** topic/#utah by Maquis -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, etc. If you are interested in providing feedback for Maquis' Linux Newbies Manual (technical writing paper), see http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/TermProject.sxw or http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/TermProject.pdf |
| 04:05.04 | *** topic/#utah by Maquis -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, etc. If you are interested in providing feedback for version 1.1 of Maquis' Linux Newbies Manual (technical writing paper), see http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/TermProject.sxw or http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/TermProject.pdf |
| 04:05.39 | sjansen | Maquis: you don't seem to have a strong preference for id |
| 04:05.46 | Maquis | id? |
| 04:05.52 | sjansen | Maquis, erins, sharmahd |
| 04:05.59 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:06.07 | Maquis | i've set things up on a couple of different occasions |
| 04:06.11 | Maquis | it also depends on the situation |
| 04:06.20 | Maquis | i wish i could change my cs dept account to erins |
| 04:06.31 | Maquis | because i ssh into it a lot, and my computer is erins |
| 04:06.36 | sjansen | I sometimes think I identify with sjansen more than Stuart. |
| 04:07.10 | sjansen | You can create a file in .ssh that says the default user for cs machines in sharmahd |
| 04:07.11 | Maquis | for things like irc, i prefer Maquis... and it's really hard to get TuxGirl for anything |
| 04:07.20 | Maquis | sjansen: i simplified it further |
| 04:07.43 | Maquis | 'schizo' on my laptop is an alias for 'ssh sharmahd@schizo.cs.byu.edu' |
| 04:07.45 | LeviHome | I just always go by Levi, because it's short, close enough to unique, and doesn't require me to think of a different name for myself. |
| 04:08.12 | Maquis | i had Maquis starting back in 9th or 10th grade for my email account |
| 04:08.23 | Maquis | (well, maquis_00 because maquis was taken) |
| 04:08.55 | sjansen | sjansen goes back to my first bbs experience in roughly 10th or 11th |
| 04:08.56 | Maquis | Maquis is nice and anonymous :) |
| 04:09.07 | LeviHome | I don't mind being onymous. |
| 04:09.15 | Maquis | true |
| 04:09.28 | Maquis | although i've found some interesting things through my time with computers |
| 04:09.29 | LeviHome | If I was female and hanging out on IRC, I might feel differently. |
| 04:09.44 | Maquis | if someone comes in with a nick like "jessica", they get treated differently |
| 04:10.07 | Maquis | which is humorous given emcnabb's leave message |
| 04:10.25 | LeviHome | What is it? |
| 04:10.48 | Maquis | "IRC: where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents" or something like that |
| 04:10.57 | LeviHome | Heh. :) |
| 04:11.43 | LeviHome | Maquis: You have too many commas in the first sentence of your 'What Is Linux?' section. |
| 04:11.54 | Maquis | bah! stupid comma rules |
| 04:12.09 | LeviHome | Kill the one before operating system. |
| 04:12.29 | tensai | ~lart slow hard drives |
| 04:12.55 | Maquis | |lart punctuation |
| 04:13.03 | sjansen | So who's tried OOo's diff capability? 's cool |
| 04:13.05 | Maquis | honestly, i think that we should all switch to chinese grammar |
| 04:13.34 | Maquis | i could handle the double-negatives if we could eliminate all capitalization and most punctuation |
| 04:14.10 | sjansen | punctuation can be fun |
| 04:14.20 | Maquis | occasionally |
| 04:14.32 | Maquis | at our "grammar fair" we were discussing the purposes of the semicolon |
| 04:14.40 | sjansen | The problem is that English teacher treat it like a choir and imply there's only one correct way. |
| 04:14.42 | Maquis | my response was "to end lines of code |
| 04:14.45 | Maquis | " |
| 04:15.19 | sjansen | :-) |
| 04:15.42 | Maquis | my teacher didn't get it, but 2 or 3 of the guys in the class started cracking up |
| 04:28.39 | Maquis | who was it that was recommending opera? |
| 04:28.43 | Maquis | it required qt |
| 04:28.44 | Maquis | :( |
| 04:29.09 | sjansen | you can get a statically linked version |
| 04:29.14 | sjansen | of course that's make it bigger |
| 04:30.12 | Maquis | :( |
| 04:31.42 | LeviHome | I always use the statically linked one. |
| 04:31.52 | LeviHome | Did you try to emerge it? |
| 04:32.02 | Maquis | i did emerge -a, but then i told it "no" |
| 04:32.16 | LeviHome | Just download it from the website. |
| 04:32.30 | Maquis | i don't want qt on my machine |
| 04:32.35 | LeviHome | The statically linked one is not terribly big. |
| 04:32.54 | Maquis | what's the difference? don't i still have to get all the libraries and such? |
| 04:33.11 | Maquis | sjansen: thanks :) |
| 04:33.37 | sjansen | no, you don't have to get any extra libraries, that's the point of statically linking |
| 04:34.06 | sjansen | basically embeds the library in the executable |
| 04:34.22 | sjansen | way to avoid version dependencies |
| 04:34.27 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:35.05 | LeviHome | Man, I'm running and looking at the Seaside demo app, and it's so incredibly cool. |
| 04:35.29 | LeviHome | That is definitely the way to do web app programing. |
| 04:35.43 | sjansen | LeviHome: I'm only on page 8, but I already respect the writers. |
| 04:36.38 | LeviHome | Apparently the seaside authors and a few others use it in their freelance web app development jobs. |
| 04:37.12 | LeviHome | And no surprise in that, as it'd be a HUGE productivity win over PHP. |
| 04:51.32 | shadoi | LeviHome: what's the link? |
| 04:51.52 | shadoi | LeviHome: Have you compared it to binarycloud.com? |
| 04:52.10 | LeviHome | http://beta4.com/seaside2/ |
| 04:55.03 | LeviHome | Binarycloud looks cool. |
| 04:55.05 | sjansen | there's also a java framework that sounds similar |
| 04:55.19 | sjansen | can't remember the name now |
| 05:01.47 | LeviHome | I can't find a simple Binarycloud example that I can use to compare. |
| 05:03.00 | shadoi | yeah you have to get the whole framework |
| 05:03.22 | shadoi | sjansen: struts? |
| 05:03.28 | sjansen | definetly not |
| 05:03.33 | shadoi | RIFE? |
| 05:04.03 | shadoi | cocoon... |
| 05:04.08 | sjansen | no |
| 05:04.11 | LeviHome | I don't want to get the framework, I just want to see how the logic works in a basic app. |
| 05:04.48 | shadoi | LeviHome: unfortunately they haven't done a formal release yet, so you'd have to ask one of the developers |
| 05:04.55 | LeviHome | sjansen: Lakeshore? |
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| 05:06.45 | sjansen | no |
| 05:07.20 | sjansen | tapestry |
| 05:07.25 | LeviHome | Lakeshore is in Java and is similar to Seaside due to being based on it. |
| 05:07.33 | sjansen | although I haven't looked close enough to know for sure |
| 05:09.21 | LeviHome | You can't get the full effect in Java due to lack of continuations. |
| 05:10.12 | LeviHome | I have to wonder why binarycloud was written in PHP. |
| 05:11.17 | sjansen | ubiquity of php |
| 05:11.45 | LeviHome | I suppose so. |
| 05:11.51 | sjansen | marketing potential -- easier to sell php than squek (what?!) |
| 05:12.09 | sjansen | being stuff with php and trying to make the best of it |
| 05:12.11 | sjansen | lots of reasons |
| 05:13.30 | LeviHome | Well, Seaside has been ported to IBM's VisualWorks Smalltalk. |
| 05:13.59 | LeviHome | But I wasn't wondering why it wasn't written in Smalltalk. I was wondering why it wasn't Perl. |
| 05:19.05 | sjansen | oh, well that's easy: predjudice |
| 05:27.57 | shadoi | Most PHP developers consider perl messy. hah |
| 05:28.18 | LeviHome | Check this out: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/ADayAtTheBeach/ |
| 05:28.40 | LeviHome | It does a pretty good job of showing off the virtues of Squeak and Seaside. |
| 05:29.11 | shadoi | for all this talk of building awesome web applications, their pages sure are plain and unimpressive. |
| 05:29.39 | sjansen | web application development and web design are two different things |
| 05:29.58 | shadoi | painfully true. |
| 05:31.28 | LeviHome | You can css-ify a nice but plain application into a beautiful one. |
| 05:32.33 | sjansen | if it's done right |
| 05:35.03 | LeviHome | Putting the right anchors for CSS in isn't hard, and it can be done in Seaside. The trick is getting someone with design sense to make CSS for you. |
| 05:36.25 | sjansen | and using good semantic markup |
| 05:37.23 | LeviHome | Yeah. Programmers are good at that stuff. |
| 05:37.46 | shadoi | man... I don't wanna learn another language |
| 05:37.50 | shadoi | but this sounds cool |
| 05:38.37 | shadoi | I do hate ugly URLs |
| 05:38.45 | shadoi | I wish they'd abstract that unique key |
| 05:40.04 | LeviHome | Unfortunately, the unique key is the only way you can meet the goals of the project. |
| 05:40.35 | LeviHome | There's a discussion on that on the Seaside author's blog. |
| 05:41.17 | shadoi | yeah, I just wish they'd do a namespace map for it to keep the URLs human-friendly. |
| 05:42.59 | LeviHome | You can do that to some degree, but the random key always has to stay at the end. |
| 05:43.11 | LeviHome | It's the key to the continuation lookup table. |
| 05:44.02 | LeviHome | One of the nice things about Seaside is that it can't be broken by opening multiple browser windows, using back and forward buttons, and other such things. |
| 05:45.04 | shadoi | yeah... other frameworks accomplish that, but in a clumsy way. |
| 05:45.39 | LeviHome | By default, the URL doesn't change inside the app except for the key, but you can override some methods and such and get more meaningful URLs, though the key remains appended. |
| 05:47.47 | LeviHome | The real shining point of Seaside is not the fact that it's a component-based framework, but that you can model the flow of the application so cleanly. |
| 05:48.08 | LeviHome | You get to use regular program logic constructs. |
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| 05:56.48 | tensai | Maquis: ping |
| 06:02.46 | LeviHome | Time for bed! |
| 06:12.15 | sjansen | Maquis: don't answer that ping, sleep! |
| 06:13.13 | shadoi | damnit, my mail server is pooched, I can't flame that postgres retard. |
| 06:13.55 | shadoi | I mean.... to say.... that I can't respond to his email to inform him of the... ahh whatever. |
| 06:14.18 | sjansen | postgres rule, mysql drools |
| 06:14.57 | shadoi | He says himself that the "RPM package...<does this>" and then goes on to rag on postgres... wtf? |
| 06:15.25 | sjansen | you're almost tempting me to fire up my mua |
| 06:15.27 | tensai | dan doesn't make a whole lot of sense some times |
| 06:15.38 | sjansen | engli? |
| 06:16.32 | tensai | yup |
| 06:16.46 | tensai | don't worry. roberto just slammed him |
| 06:17.00 | shadoi | yeah... saw that |
| 06:17.16 | sjansen | dan's probably doomed long term |
| 06:17.20 | sjansen | seen it before |
| 06:17.42 | sjansen | but who knows |
| 06:36.19 | spr | ~lart patches that don't apply on my source, but work for everyone else |
| 06:36.31 | spr | ~lart patches that don't apply on my source, but work on everyone else's |
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| 07:48.43 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the easiest way to get emacs (as well as a few other emacs-related programs) up and running at approximately 1 am on a Saturday? |
| 07:49.14 | Lone_Wanderer | (I don't have a Linux box at the moment, but I do have a machine upstairs that's slated to become one, should installing Linux prove easier than making these things work on Cygwin.) |
| 07:52.58 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: ??? |
| 07:53.16 | Maquis | tensai: pong |
| 07:53.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, would it be less work to go through an entire install of Linux on a new machine, or to try to get them working on cygwin? |
| 07:53.57 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 07:54.09 | tensai | Maquis: got time for my comments on your paper? |
| 07:54.23 | Maquis | tensai: sure |
| 07:54.30 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: ummm... good question |
| 08:24.51 | goozbach | ping? |
| 08:25.06 | goozbach | ya all missed a real good show |
| 08:25.15 | goozbach | I even had a song played just for me. |
| 08:25.17 | Maquis | goozbach: :) |
| 08:25.23 | Maquis | cool! |
| 08:26.02 | goozbach | the band knew I was comming and played my favorite song even though it wasn't on the ticket |
| 08:26.09 | Maquis | nice |
| 08:26.17 | Maquis | mens chorus did that at their last concert for me... |
| 08:26.23 | goozbach | heh |
| 08:26.25 | Maquis | although they were really startled it wasn't on the program |
| 08:26.43 | goozbach | how goes it? |
| 08:27.09 | goozbach | one heck of a night |
| 08:27.11 | goozbach | :) |
| 08:28.31 | Maquis | goozbach: ????? |
| 08:29.07 | tensai | Maquis: well, he wasn't exactly in the de Jong now was he |
| 08:29.20 | Maquis | haha |
| 08:29.56 | Maquis | hmmm.. |
| 08:30.08 | Maquis | i keep almost using / instead of ctrl-f to find things |
| 08:31.45 | Maquis | and i keep hitting escape :w and having to then delete the :w |
| 08:32.25 | tensai | I hit escape in all sorts of programs. the worst is when escape means to close the window. :( |
| 08:32.33 | Maquis | haha |
| 08:32.34 | Maquis | yeah |
| 08:33.25 | Maquis | i was using xmms-curses, and was very annoyed to find that j was a command in it... (i don't remember which) because i kept trying to use j and k to scroll up and down the list |
| 08:44.56 | Maquis | goozbach: gnight |
| 08:44.59 | Maquis | :) |
| 08:47.02 | goozbach | what a quote: "Running daemons as root is dumb. If you don't understand why that is that |
| 08:47.13 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.58 | goozbach | gnight |
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| 08:49.04 | Maquis | haha |
| 08:49.24 | goozbach | I'm back caught up on pluglist |
| 08:49.24 | sjansen | ha |
| 08:49.31 | Maquis | i was just reading that post actually |
| 08:49.42 | goozbach | sjansen: you still at the office? |
| 08:49.51 | sjansen | uh, no, 'course not |
| 08:49.52 | alexxl | hallo, world ?!? 8-) |
| 08:50.01 | Maquis | yes he is |
| 08:50.04 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.15 | goozbach | that's why I'm asking. |
| 08:50.18 | Maquis | hello alexxl... this is world speaking |
| 08:50.24 | goozbach | i just did |
| 08:50.44 | sjansen | tonight is something of a milestone, I'm commorating by drowning my sorrows in Enterprise episodes |
| 08:50.48 | goozbach | earth to alexxl :) |
| 08:50.55 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 08:50.56 | goozbach | milestone... do explain |
| 08:50.58 | sjansen | haven't been able to drag myself away long enough to drive home |
| 08:51.00 | alexxl | Maquis hallo. is any frauders here? |
| 08:51.05 | Maquis | frauders? |
| 08:51.39 | alexxl | just little fraud for little money.... |
| 08:52.03 | Maquis | ummm... |
| 08:52.44 | Maquis | doubtful |
| 08:52.49 | Maquis | this is utah |
| 08:55.00 | goozbach | |praise apt4rpm |
| 08:55.07 | goozbach | d'oh |
| 08:55.13 | goozbach | that'll work. |
| 08:55.14 | Maquis | haha |
| 08:55.15 | sjansen | heh |
| 09:01.57 | goozbach | we talkin' credit card fraud, identity theft fraud, bank fraud, lying to your girlfriend fraud...? |
| 09:02.13 | goozbach | tax fraud? |
| 09:03.51 | goozbach | i know of some people who have done it. |
| 09:04.02 | goozbach | none of which are online at the moment |
| 09:04.07 | alexxl | brain fraud ;'( |
| 09:04.13 | alexxl | :'( |
| 09:04.21 | goozbach | brain fraud? |
| 09:04.37 | alexxl | were u from? |
| 09:05.02 | alexxl | can u speak english very good? |
| 09:05.13 | goozbach | mexico |
| 09:05.21 | goozbach | a little english |
| 09:05.27 | alexxl | russia |
| 09:07.04 | goozbach | u mean tricking the brain? |
| 09:08.41 | alexxl | i mean social ingeenery |
| 09:08.55 | goozbach | yes |
| 09:09.16 | goozbach | I use this to get free food from resturant |
| 09:09.49 | alexxl | nice how? |
| 09:10.05 | goozbach | trick people to do things that they don't want to |
| 09:10.31 | goozbach | "your boss said give me free food" |
| 09:11.11 | alexxl | really? it's fun |
| 09:11.40 | goozbach | yes, I also fix caller idendify to show others numbers |
| 09:12.57 | alexxl | im try pub deaf-and-dumb 8-) |
| 09:13.17 | alexxl | sometimes |
| 09:13.24 | goozbach | yes |
| 09:13.26 | alexxl | how old are u? |
| 09:13.29 | goozbach | that is a good one |
| 09:13.36 | goozbach | 37 |
| 09:13.46 | alexxl | 26 |
| 09:14.12 | alexxl | i learn spanish |
| 09:14.18 | goozbach | si? |
| 09:14.26 | goozbach | ya hablas espanol? |
| 09:15.14 | alexxl | si |
| 09:15.30 | goozbach | porque puedo hablar mejor en el espanol |
| 09:15.53 | goozbach | de que parte de rusia estas? |
| 09:16.43 | alexxl | siberia speak in english plz |
| 09:16.54 | goozbach | ok |
| 09:17.29 | alexxl | u town is..? |
| 09:17.44 | goozbach | los mochis |
| 09:17.58 | goozbach | it is in sinaloa |
| 09:18.06 | alexxl | my best day dream-travel in mexico |
| 09:18.13 | goozbach | cancun |
| 09:18.17 | goozbach | it is cool |
| 09:18.33 | alexxl | there is hot whether? |
| 09:18.38 | goozbach | very |
| 09:18.50 | goozbach | it rains lots in sinaloa |
| 09:18.55 | goozbach | very wet |
| 09:19.18 | goozbach | but hot at the same time |
| 09:19.18 | alexxl | here is veryyyyyyyy cold |
| 09:19.18 | goozbach | yes |
| 09:19.18 | goozbach | I think so |
| 09:20.23 | goozbach | you work? |
| 09:20.37 | alexxl | have u wife? kids? |
| 09:20.44 | alexxl | im ingeener |
| 09:20.51 | goozbach | I did |
| 09:20.53 | goozbach | no more |
| 09:20.58 | goozbach | 1 son |
| 09:21.13 | goozbach | 12 year old |
| 09:21.28 | alexxl | 2 son |
| 09:21.37 | goozbach | how old? |
| 09:21.52 | alexxl | 5 month $ 5 year |
| 09:21.59 | goozbach | young |
| 09:22.11 | alexxl | so |
| 09:22.12 | goozbach | my son is big now |
| 09:22.33 | alexxl | work? |
| 09:22.38 | alexxl | u? |
| 09:22.52 | goozbach | I consult |
| 09:23.15 | goozbach | work at many places |
| 09:23.16 | alexxl | for what? |
| 09:23.46 | goozbach | linux |
| 09:24.25 | alexxl | nice i tryed setup UWIN |
| 09:24.34 | alexxl | see that? |
| 09:24.52 | goozbach | UWIN? |
| 09:25.09 | goozbach | UNIX? |
| 09:25.34 | sjansen | |urls |
| 09:25.35 | brigham | [2004/11/19 22:28:20] <LeviHome> http://homepage.mac.com/svc/ADayAtTheBeach/ |
| 09:25.35 | brigham | [2004/11/19 21:52:11] <LeviHome> http://beta4.com/seaside2/ |
| 09:25.35 | brigham | [2004/11/19 20:42:41] <goozbach> http://slcff.com/images/dath_background.jpg |
| 09:25.35 | brigham | [2004/11/19 20:11:38] <Maquis> http://ibot.rikers.org/utah/ |
| 09:25.41 | alexxl | ya for mustdie |
| 09:25.55 | sjansen | ~urls |
| 09:26.21 | alexxl | sjanz a u humanoid? |
| 09:26.39 | sjansen | no |
| 09:26.43 | goozbach | brigham is a bot |
| 09:27.58 | alexxl | goozbach write me hombre@asheville.com |
| 09:28.03 | alexxl | bay |
| 09:28.12 | alexxl | nice to meet u |
| 09:28.12 | goozbach | ok |
| 09:28.18 | goozbach | u also |
| 09:29.45 | goozbach | how did you find #utah? |
| 09:30.48 | alexxl | nuke |
| 09:31.11 | goozbach | I don't know nuke |
| 09:32.49 | goozbach | I am going to sleep |
| 09:33.12 | goozbach | what time is it in siberia? |
| 09:49.42 | alexxl | 7:00 am |
| 09:55.26 | ilovebees | goozbach, one of my comps was from el fuerte, supposedly close to los mochis |
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