| 00:00.39 | sjansen | In a bash script, I combined a one line if with a subshell and couldn't understand while varaibles changed didn't take hold. |
| 00:01.51 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 00:02.20 | Maquis | sjansen: btw, have you had a chance to take a look at my paper yet? |
| 00:02.29 | sjansen | soon |
| 00:02.36 | Maquis | tis ok |
| 00:02.48 | Maquis | hopefully there'll be an updated version up later this evening |
| 00:03.31 | Maquis | then i'll officially announce the 1.1 release :) |
| 00:03.59 | sjansen | Will you be at the meeting? |
| 00:09.20 | goozbach | she better |
| 00:09.33 | goozbach | she's the one who conned me into going |
| 00:09.38 | Maquis | yes... |
| 00:09.39 | Maquis | i will |
| 00:09.40 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:10.02 | Maquis | i'm heading back to campus as soon as i finish the stupid meeting i have to be at here at my apartment |
| 00:10.09 | Jayce^ | cool... should be fun tonight |
| 00:10.29 | Maquis | Jayce^: tonight? |
| 00:11.23 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 00:12.05 | sjansen | goozbach: you can just follow me |
| 00:12.11 | goozbach | i know how to get to the conference center and the stadium |
| 00:12.29 | sjansen | goozbach: And no, I don't think they'll be able to break $100. |
| 00:13.08 | goozbach | if they can I bet it'll be all one's |
| 00:14.50 | Jayce^ | nah, he'll take the difference as a tip |
| 00:15.45 | goozbach | I only do that for hot waitresses |
| 00:15.55 | goozbach | that I wanna hook up with |
| 00:17.22 | goozbach | who? |
| 00:17.47 | Jayce^ | maybe I'll post it to the alpine garrison boards.. |
| 00:18.09 | goozbach | trying to get me in trouble with ondiv won't work anymore |
| 00:19.01 | Jayce^ | mwahahahaha |
| 00:19.22 | Jayce^ | so did I miss something? |
| 00:19.40 | Jayce^ | I'm guessing so.. |
| 00:19.51 | goozbach | yeah, we're not going out anymore |
| 00:20.31 | Jayce^ | ahhh |
| 00:20.35 | Jayce^ | hadn't heard.. |
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| 00:20.49 | goozbach | I thought you knew a hot waitress who hooks up with big tippers. |
| 00:20.58 | goozbach | :( |
| 00:21.32 | sjansen | goozbach: perhaps Jayce^ could take you out for target practice with that doll we saw in the gas station |
| 00:21.43 | goozbach | ohhh |
| 00:21.53 | goozbach | I could borrow brian's ak |
| 00:22.09 | goozbach | or cam's 12-gauge |
| 00:22.23 | Jayce^ | double 12-guage with magnums.. |
| 00:22.31 | goozbach | ohhh |
| 00:22.32 | Jayce^ | my fun trick for first-time shooters |
| 00:22.38 | goozbach | heh |
| 00:22.43 | Jayce^ | got a double barrel 12 with dual triggers.. |
| 00:22.56 | Jayce^ | "see, it's a safety mechanism, you have to pull both..." |
| 00:23.12 | Jayce^ | a couple seconds later, said sucker is on their back whimpering.. |
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| 00:34.39 | Maquis | Jayce^: that's not nice! |
| 00:35.46 | goozbach | bye |
| 00:50.51 | goozbach | UUG here I come |
| 01:08.33 | levi | Hopefully that will help me sleep tonight. :) |
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| 01:13.54 | Maquis | Elimist: why did you have to reboot? :( |
| 01:14.42 | Elimist | Maquis: accidentally killed off cdrecord when it was burning a disk in my CD-RW drive... |
| 01:15.09 | Elimist | Left the drive in a state that made it completely unresponsive...I tried everything - only way to fix it was to reset it's power |
| 01:17.51 | Mecworks | 8^) |
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| 01:18.15 | Mecworks | Yea, this is to replace my dual 300MHz Celeron server. |
| 01:18.43 | Mecworks | with 374 MB RAM |
| 01:18.55 | Mecworks | It's served well for several years.... |
| 01:19.27 | Mecworks | I'll retire that, move my PIII 800 to the server role and this harware will become my new workstation. |
| 01:20.58 | Elimist | I need some new hardware. I'm broke though |
| 01:21.03 | Elimist | It sucks being a jobless highschool student :D |
| 01:21.33 | Mecworks | Elimist, I understand... |
| 01:22.03 | Elimist | I used to have a couple of PII machines, set up in a cluster.... |
| 01:22.12 | Mecworks | nice. |
| 01:22.31 | Elimist | But the IDE controllers (Intel ones..) have progressively gone bad on almost all the boxes |
| 01:22.37 | Mecworks | HA cluster or HighPerformance(beowolf)? |
| 01:23.01 | Elimist | I had it setup for DistCC mainly |
| 01:23.06 | Mecworks | cool. |
| 01:23.10 | Maquis | Elimist: ah... |
| 01:23.42 | Maquis | Jayce^: yes |
| 01:23.46 | Maquis | oops |
| 01:23.53 | Maquis | jakea: yes... he's coming |
| 01:23.57 | Maquis | not sure about the book though |
| 01:24.01 | Maquis | are you coming? |
| 01:24.02 | Elimist | Oh, thats nice. My printers out of toner... |
| 01:24.15 | Mecworks | thats not nice... |
| 01:24.27 | Maquis | Elimist: ouch... :( |
| 01:24.40 | jakea | I'll be there with the wife |
| 01:24.44 | Maquis | jakea: fun! |
| 01:25.12 | jakea | meet the woman that puts up with my crazyness tonight only at the UUG meeting |
| 01:26.15 | Maquis | haha |
| 01:26.18 | Maquis | ~beep |
| 01:27.40 | Elimist | UUG? |
| 01:28.03 | Elimist | Unix Users Group? |
| 01:30.11 | Maquis | yup |
| 01:30.42 | Elimist | What area of the valley are you in? |
| 01:31.04 | Maquis | Elimist: provo |
| 01:31.08 | Maquis | happy valley |
| 01:31.21 | Elimist | Heh |
| 01:31.28 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:32.07 | jakea | Maquis: Wanna take the UVSC astronomy quiz I just wrote |
| 01:32.08 | Elimist | Do you have any members actually running Unix, or is it posix variants like *BSD and Linux? |
| 01:34.02 | Maquis | jakea: where is it? |
| 01:34.03 | Maquis | online? |
| 01:34.44 | jakea | no, just come to the class on Saturday ; |
| 01:34.45 | jakea | ) |
| 01:34.49 | Maquis | i think most people run linux, although i think we've had others... |
| 01:34.56 | Maquis | we also have some OSX-ers |
| 01:35.00 | Maquis | jakea: nice try... :) |
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| 02:01.17 | SpecialK | Mecworks, you still there? I was curious about that system your building. |
| 02:01.58 | SpecialK | I've been looking at an AMD 64 3200 to replace the old charity box I've been running all year. |
| 02:14.03 | LeviHome | Elimist: You must have a pretty narrow definition of UNIX if you don't include BSD. |
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| 02:33.13 | Elimist | LeviHome: I'm refering to new "BSDs" (NetBSD, FreeBSD) |
| 02:33.26 | Elimist | Obviosuly the original BSD was just a modded version of AT&T Unix at first |
| 02:33.44 | Elimist | New BSDs aren't Unix :) |
| 02:34.32 | LeviHome | Well, they aren't trademarked as Unix. |
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| 02:35.15 | LeviHome | But, for people who aren't interested in the business aspect, they are just as much Unix as Solaris or AIX. |
| 02:35.29 | hans | |lart uugers |
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| 02:36.58 | Elimist | Yes. But people frequently say Linux isn't UNIX, yet FreeBSD is. How does your argument make Linux any less UNIX than FreeBSD/ |
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| 02:38.07 | hans | |roulett |
| 02:38.08 | hans | |roulette |
| 02:38.08 | brigham | hans: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 02:38.26 | LeviHome | FreeBSD is directly descended from BSD, while Linux was not. So there's some sort of lineage claim there. But I think excluding Linux from the unix family is silly, too. |
| 02:38.41 | LeviHome | As do most of the UUG members, I imagine, since they largely use Linux. |
| 02:39.17 | Elimist | Heh, I was just looking at a slideshow-ish presentation on the history of BSD, on a website... |
| 02:39.21 | Elimist | One of the comments it makes: |
| 02:39.24 | Maquis | mmmm.... tasty uug meeting |
| 02:39.33 | Elimist | "Linux is probably the most well know, however, about half of the utilities come from the BSD distribution." |
| 02:39.41 | hans | anyone active here use the combination of ldap and postfix |
| 02:40.17 | LeviHome | Yeah, Linux is a kernel plus a mix of BSD and GNU stuff. |
| 02:40.39 | Elimist | What BSD stuff is on a LInux system? |
| 02:41.07 | LeviHome | Couldn't say off the top of my head. |
| 02:41.11 | Patater | perhaps being a POSIX standard OS |
| 02:42.34 | Elimist | *everything* required to have a limited linux system can be done with GNU stuff |
| 02:43.13 | Elimist | And the only common higher level software I can think of thats directly linked to BSD is OpenSSH.... |
| 02:43.54 | LeviHome | Anyway, POSIX is a certification just like UNIX is. Is Linux actually POSIX-certified? |
| 02:44.09 | LeviHome | If not, it's not any more a POSIX system than it is UNIX. |
| 02:44.37 | Patater | If Linux can work like any POSIX system |
| 02:44.42 | Patater | I'd consider it UNIX |
| 02:44.50 | Patater | a least a flavour thereof |
| 02:45.29 | LeviHome | That's my argument. It's an 'unofficial' UNIX. |
| 02:45.31 | Elimist | No |
| 02:45.34 | Elimist | Linux is not POSIX certified |
| 02:45.41 | Elimist | Nor is it capable of getting registered at this point |
| 02:46.06 | Patater | what would it take to be registered? |
| 02:46.31 | Elimist | HOld on a sec |
| 02:46.36 | Elimist | I'm finding a link |
| 02:46.48 | Elimist | I read an article a while back discussing why Linux isn't POSIX compatible.. |
| 02:47.06 | Patater | interesting |
| 02:50.26 | Elimist | http://www.opengroup.org/personal/ajosey/tr21-10-2004.txt |
| 02:50.37 | LeviHome | Back when the UUG was first named, I'm sure most of the members used a certified UNIX some of the time, since that's what was on the lab computers. |
| 02:51.44 | Patater | hmmm |
| 02:52.07 | Patater | this salsa looks yummy |
| 02:52.14 | Maquis | no kidding! |
| 02:52.16 | Maquis | mmmmm... |
| 02:52.24 | Elimist | Hah, wish I was there. |
| 02:52.26 | Patater | acids |
| 02:54.14 | Elimist | I've just decided to throw GNU/Hurd on this box |
| 02:54.46 | Patater | I'm having trouble setting up X on my laptop |
| 02:55.25 | Elimist | Whats the problem? |
| 02:56.08 | Patater | video is vertically stretched and flickers |
| 02:56.29 | Elimist | Got the right depth and *sync rates? |
| 02:58.01 | Patater | you want me to send you my xorg.conf file? I've never configured X before. I'm a newbie kiddo. |
| 02:59.05 | Elimist | Use xorgconfig |
| 02:59.08 | Elimist | Its a CLI tool |
| 02:59.26 | Elimist | Interactively asks you questions about your hardware and settings, then builds a config file for you |
| 02:59.36 | Patater | I'll see if I have it |
| 02:59.45 | Elimist | It comes with Xorg |
| 02:59.50 | Elimist | you should have it |
| 02:59.51 | Patater | alright |
| 03:00.01 | Patater | I'll give it a shot now |
| 03:00.09 | Patater | be back in a few |
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| 03:09.56 | byronc | howdy |
| 03:10.12 | linuxalien | Yo! |
| 03:10.31 | byronc | I'm guessing that everyone else is eating at the UUG meeting. |
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| 03:11.35 | linuxalien | I'm at home...should be doing homework. :) |
| 03:11.54 | rapsure | Me to. |
| 03:12.04 | Elimist | Same :D |
| 03:12.19 | linuxalien | I have to have results tomorrow and I just have vague sources. |
| 03:16.59 | rapsure | I hate that feeling. Been there done that. |
| 03:19.08 | linuxalien | I'll talk from time to time. |
| 03:21.23 | byronc | wow, dialup seems much slower than I remember |
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| 03:23.03 | Patater | I'm back |
| 03:23.07 | Patater | still flickers |
| 03:23.33 | Patater | should I set a certain hsync or vrefresh for my LCD? or comment out those lines? |
| 03:23.50 | rapsure | I am just here. |
| 03:24.26 | Patater | I'm configuring X |
| 03:24.32 | Patater | but having some trouble |
| 03:24.35 | byronc | Patater: What version of X? |
| 03:24.39 | rapsure | Patater, That is up to you. Those are more or less referred to as the MAX. |
| 03:24.56 | Patater | xorg, let me check version |
| 03:24.57 | fozz | Patater: What Linux distro are you running? |
| 03:24.57 | byronc | Patater: If it's something newish, try using xrandr to set the refresh rate |
| 03:25.05 | rapsure | If the display just dies, then set max vertrefresh to 60hz. |
| 03:25.17 | Patater | I'm on gentoo |
| 03:25.23 | byronc | Patater: any version of xorg is new enough to have xrandr |
| 03:25.26 | fozz | And you're a newbie? |
| 03:25.29 | Patater | yeah |
| 03:25.44 | fozz | heh. I woudln't consider gentoo a Newbie distro unless you've got a geek friend holding your hand. :) |
| 03:25.45 | Patater | I installed it fine, but X, I have some toruble |
| 03:26.09 | rapsure | If you are that far, you don't need someone to hold your hands. |
| 03:26.12 | Patater | I've used Unix stuff for a while, but I'm new to linux |
| 03:26.16 | fozz | Oh okay. |
| 03:26.21 | Patater | the install wasn't too bad, really |
| 03:26.32 | fozz | Red Hat / Fedora's display config is nice. |
| 03:26.35 | rapsure | Have you tried setting the vertrefresh to 60? |
| 03:26.47 | fozz | But I agree with rapsure - 60Hz is pretty failsale. |
| 03:26.52 | Patater | I had it set to variable |
| 03:27.02 | Elimist | Patater: correct sync rates are ESSENTIAL for correct display |
| 03:27.05 | Patater | so, do LCDs have a refresh rate? |
| 03:27.10 | fozz | yes. |
| 03:27.18 | fozz | well, they accept diff refresh rates. |
| 03:27.21 | Patater | I thought it was just CRT stuff |
| 03:27.26 | rapsure | Everything will run at 60hz. |
| 03:27.40 | fozz | Even your toaster oven. |
| 03:27.43 | Patater | sweet |
| 03:28.11 | Elimist | <fozz> But I agree with rapsure - 60Hz is pretty failsale. <-- I was just going to comment that if you want the best display, it's often essential to have the exact sync rates for your monitor |
| 03:28.19 | Patater | the problem is, pretty much, that my screen is stretched vertically and the bottom of the screen is not visible |
| 03:28.22 | Patater | it flickers too |
| 03:28.32 | Patater | I'm just suspecting the sync and refresh rates |
| 03:28.36 | Elimist | A bad sync will make the display just not work |
| 03:28.53 | fozz | It could. |
| 03:28.57 | Elimist | A working - but not 100% correct - sync rate can often cause problems (like flickering :) ) |
| 03:29.07 | rapsure | One thing that I usually do to get X working correctly quickly is to run: X -configure. |
| 03:29.08 | Elimist | Patater: whats your monitors model number? |
| 03:29.18 | fozz | I wish I coudl remember one of the sites you can go to to get sync rates for monitors. |
| 03:29.25 | Elimist | rapsure: I've had problems with that before |
| 03:29.38 | linuxalien | http://www.monitorworld.com used to have refresh rates. |
| 03:29.39 | Patater | I'm on an apple powerbook titanium IV, so I'm not sure model number |
| 03:29.40 | Elimist | Doesn't detect resolution, depth, or sync rates correctly |
| 03:29.57 | Patater | i tried using xorgconfig |
| 03:30.14 | Patater | but I had the same problems as I did with my self written xorg.conf file |
| 03:30.47 | Patater | any of you guys watching the chicken? |
| 03:30.48 | rapsure | When you run: X -configure it will build the file mostly, but X.org seems to have trouble getting the correct sync rates though. I will detect the correct hardware. Then you need to set the allowed resolutions in the file to get it to fly. |
| 03:31.08 | fozz | I've been having some major problems installing Fedora Core 3 on a new rackmount server.... |
| 03:31.23 | Elimist | Patater: open up your xorg conf in a text editor |
| 03:31.30 | fozz | Finally, I booted off the FC3 install media and used the memtest86 boot target. |
| 03:31.34 | fozz | Bingo. Bad RAM. |
| 03:31.34 | Elimist | And go down to Section "Monitor" |
| 03:31.44 | Patater | what do you need to know about monitor? |
| 03:31.48 | Elimist | There, you need to put: |
| 03:31.52 | Patater | ok |
| 03:31.54 | Elimist | Section "Monitor" |
| 03:32.09 | Elimist | <Leave the IDentifier line as it is> |
| 03:32.14 | Patater | Monitor1 |
| 03:32.20 | Patater | or something... |
| 03:32.23 | Elimist | ModelName "TiBook IV" |
| 03:32.46 | Elimist | Mode "1280x854" |
| 03:33.07 | Elimist | DotClock 89.816 |
| 03:33.17 | Elimist | HTiming 1280 1296 1408 1536 |
| 03:33.21 | Elimist | er |
| 03:33.26 | Elimist | HTimings 1280 1296 1408 1536 |
| 03:33.37 | Elimist | VTimings 854 855 858 866 |
| 03:33.43 | Patater | where are you getting these numbers from, some website? |
| 03:33.50 | hans | what does a 1-second beep every five seconds mean (motherboard, bootup, nothing on monitor) |
| 03:33.54 | Elimist | Flags "-HSync" "-VSync" |
| 03:33.58 | Elimist | EndMode |
| 03:34.00 | Elimist | EndSection |
| 03:34.05 | Patater | I could just follow the link, perhaps |
| 03:34.17 | Elimist | Patater: yeah, I found some guys guide to setting up Debian on that model of laptop |
| 03:34.26 | Elimist | Xorg conf file info is good for all distros, though |
| 03:34.29 | Patater | oh |
| 03:34.32 | Patater | yeah |
| 03:34.42 | Elimist | http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2003/debian/tibook/#goto-xfree |
| 03:34.58 | synic|h | ~seen timriker |
| 03:35.00 | ibot | timriker is currently on # (46m 7s) #botpark (46m 7s) #elinux (46m 7s) #ol (46m 7s) #bzflag (46m 7s) #pegasos.org (46m 7s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 49s |
| 03:35.22 | Elimist | To get the best XOrg conf, you might want to copy other sections out of that |
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| 03:37.04 | Elimist | If you copy that line-for-line, though, Note that he also has it configured for an external monitor, too |
| 03:37.06 | Elimist | You don't want that |
| 03:37.13 | Patater | yeah |
| 03:37.39 | Patater | do you know if I could use my s-video out with mplayer or anything? |
| 03:37.55 | Patater | the card is ATI Radeon 9000, I think |
| 03:38.30 | Elimist | Hmmm |
| 03:38.33 | fozz | Possibly. |
| 03:38.34 | Elimist | One second, let me take a look |
| 03:39.57 | Patater | do I need to set the hsync and vrefresh still, both to 60? |
| 03:40.10 | hans | no ideas on what one beep means on an award bios? |
| 03:40.30 | linuxalien | hans: I think it means everything is normal. |
| 03:41.16 | linuxalien | But I could be wrong. |
| 03:41.38 | Elimist | Patater: I don't believe so |
| 03:41.54 | rapsure | hans, Total failure. Actually I think it means that it can't initialize the CPU. |
| 03:41.55 | Elimist | While I'm not familiar with some of the option that config file uses... |
| 03:42.14 | Elimist | I believe the VTiming and HTimings do a similar thing in a different way |
| 03:42.14 | hans | linuxalien: no, long beep repeatedly nothing happens |
| 03:42.44 | hans | I think it must be the cpu or the ram |
| 03:43.12 | rapsure | Patater, Your hsync is higher than 60hz. The frequency that it needs to be at depends on the size of the monitor. |
| 03:43.24 | Elimist | And Patater, your S-Video should work with your card, if it is indeed a Radeon |
| 03:43.45 | linuxalien | hans: Oh ok. Hmmm Sorry man. :) |
| 03:44.15 | Patater | with the regular "radeon" driver, no problem? |
| 03:44.45 | Patater | after I get X all set up, perhaps next step will be the s-video |
| 03:45.10 | Elimist | Eh, not with the normal Radeon driver... |
| 03:45.14 | Patater | I'm going to make some changes to my xorg.conf file now, be back in a few |
| 03:45.18 | Elimist | You'll use a special output driver with MPlayer |
| 03:45.27 | Patater | sweet |
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| 03:45.29 | Patater | special stuff |
| 03:45.30 | Elimist | I don't know if theres anyway to get the SVIdeo to work for just your normal desktop |
| 03:45.39 | Patater | mplayer is just fine |
| 03:45.40 | Elimist | But it *should* work with MPlayer |
| 03:45.53 | Patater | be back in a few |
| 03:45.56 | Patater | thanks for the help |
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| 04:04.34 | hans | do them |
| 04:05.23 | hans | did someone |
| 04:05.55 | hans | um, yeah |
| 04:05.56 | Maquis | mmmm |
| 04:06.21 | hans | that's weird. my tcp session didn't come back or so I thought. yet when I come back what I did type ended up here |
| 04:06.37 | hans | I was going to say, did someone say radeon? Is someone having radeon troubles? |
| 04:10.04 | hans | what's a dvi->vga adaptor run? |
| 04:10.10 | hans | $$ |
| 04:12.59 | rapsure | Has anyone here used Labview 7.1 for Linux? |
| 04:13.34 | linuxalien | Nopers |
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| 04:15.45 | rapsure | Ahh. I want to get some hardware support for the National Instruments PCI-6014 DAQ card. Then I would need to have VI's for labview. That way we can develop software for instrumentation. |
| 04:24.12 | LeviHome | hans: I got one with my Radeon. |
| 04:24.21 | LeviHome | hans: It was a Mac Radeon, though. |
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| 04:27.35 | hans | LeviHome: I got my radeon the cheap way and I don't think it came with an adapter. :) But there's one at work I can use that came with someone else's card. |
| 04:27.53 | LeviHome | Ah, nice. |
| 04:28.17 | hans | that is, assuming the card I have supports it. I think so (far as I can tell from the web) |
| 04:28.20 | LeviHome | I should probably take my cheap 17" monitor to work so I can use it as a head to my Debian box. |
| 04:28.59 | hans | radeon rv100 QY |
| 04:29.28 | LeviHome | It'd be interesting to try that program that allows you to control two computers with separate monitors through a single keyboard and mouse. |
| 04:29.35 | LeviHome | I can't remember what it's called, though. |
| 04:29.56 | hans | synergy |
| 04:30.02 | hans | pretty slick |
| 04:30.17 | hans | if you have that physical setup. |
| 04:31.31 | LeviHome | I've got a separate keyboard and mouse for it, but it would be nice to control it with my primary keyboard and mouse. |
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| 04:32.36 | Elimist | Anyone here tried GNU/Hurd? |
| 04:34.06 | LeviHome | Nope. |
| 04:34.15 | tensai | LeviHome: I use synergy too and I dig it |
| 04:35.45 | LeviHome | I've got a microkernel in my OSX box, and I never notice it. I'd only play with Hurd if I wanted to play with OS-level stuff, like device drivers. |
| 04:37.47 | Elimist | It'd be better to do that with Linux :D |
| 04:38.08 | hans | a friend is having a perl problem. trying to code a CRC check. "when the string is something like 'Az' (really an unsigned short) it does the right thing and calls it 16762, but when it's '31' it calls it 31 instead of 13105" |
| 04:39.20 | tensai | hans: you totally lost me there |
| 04:40.19 | hans | perl is guessing wrong. the string '31' is being interpreted as the integer 31 in the bitwise operation instead of 13105 |
| 04:41.55 | LeviHome | Elimist: Well, the whole point of Hurd is to let you do more kernel-type work in userspace. You wouldn't have to reboot to make device driver changes. |
| 04:42.50 | LeviHome | hans: So it's treating a number string as an int rather than a string? |
| 04:43.11 | LeviHome | Stoooopid perl. Trying to be too smart. |
| 04:44.21 | hans | well, yes. as the int 31 rather than 0x3331 |
| 04:44.41 | hans | so in the sense that a string is just a sequence of chars... |
| 04:46.12 | LeviHome | I can't help, I can only mock perl. So I'll just be quiet. :) |
| 04:46.23 | Pumpkin_Pie | #$%#$^%$TE |
| 04:46.27 | Pumpkin_Pie | |kill |
| 04:46.39 | Pumpkin_Pie | |eat Pumpkin_Pie |
| 04:46.40 | |rufius| | |lart Maquis |
| 04:47.02 | Pumpkin_Pie | add an eat function |
| 04:47.16 | Pumpkin_Pie | |help |
| 04:47.16 | brigham | help topics: core, auth, keywords [30 plugins: 8ball, autorejoin, cal, dice, excuse, figlet, fortune, freshmeat, host, insult|msginsult, karma, lart|praise|addlart|addpraise|rmlart|rmpraise, math, nickserv, nslookup|dns, quotes, remind|remind+, ri|msgri, roshambo, rot13, roulette, rps, search, seen, spell, translate, tvsearch|tvmore|tvinfo|tvchannels|tvchanlist|getchannels, urls, weather, wserver] (help <topic> for more |
| 04:47.16 | brigham | info) |
| 04:47.47 | Pumpkin_Pie | |addlart help |
| 04:47.48 | brigham | okay then :) |
| 04:47.55 | Pumpkin_Pie | :) |
| 04:48.18 | Pumpkin_Pie | you write that bot ? |
| 04:49.30 | hans | LeviHome: well this gives you some more cannon fodder |
| 04:51.03 | LeviHome | I don't know perl well enough to /really/ mock it. A perl guru would probably have an easy fix for the problem, after all. |
| 04:51.30 | LeviHome | Heh, ChatZilla italicizes things between slashes. |
| 04:53.50 | hans | i'm thinking maybe unpack is the answer |
| 04:55.06 | LeviHome | That, I suppose, is one of the pitfallls of automatic typecasting. |
| 04:55.26 | LeviHome | My 'l' key got a little carried away there. |
| 04:56.23 | LeviHome | Time for bed. Hopefully I can sleep tonight. :) |
| 04:57.10 | hans | yes it is. I prefer the ruby approach, where types do exist but duck-typing runs rampant |
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| 05:07.34 | tensai | you can sometimes force a string cast by concatting it to a string. &method('' . $var) |
| 05:09.21 | hans | actually what he really wanted was a number cast. In the end it turned out that it worked after all, but his output was borked. |
| 05:09.42 | hans | h instead of H in the unpack for the output. |
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| 05:31.29 | goozbach | |lart fog |
| 05:31.56 | goozbach | |lart people who don't defrost their back window |
| 05:32.34 | goozbach | |lart byu's parking nazis |
| 05:32.45 | goozbach | ooooh good one |
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| 05:42.55 | Maquis | goozbach: what about byu's parking nazis??? :( |
| 05:43.43 | goozbach | twenty minutes before the lot is 'open' i get a ticket |
| 05:43.49 | goozbach | no byu tag. |
| 05:43.56 | Maquis | goozbach: they are nazis about that |
| 05:44.04 | Maquis | that's why i never park in any of those areas... |
| 05:44.10 | goozbach | I'm being faceitous |
| 05:44.20 | Maquis | ??? |
| 05:44.22 | goozbach | it's where stuart parked |
| 05:44.29 | goozbach | so it's where I parked |
| 05:44.41 | goozbach | he suggested i move, but I was too lasy |
| 05:44.46 | Maquis | and you both got tickets? |
| 05:44.47 | goozbach | s/s/z |
| 05:44.48 | Maquis | oh wait... |
| 05:44.51 | Maquis | he has a sticker |
| 05:44.56 | goozbach | yeah |
| 05:44.59 | goozbach | I don't |
| 05:45.01 | Maquis | yeah |
| 05:45.03 | Maquis | that stinks |
| 05:45.13 | goozbach | I should have hanged the tag from a coulple months ago |
| 05:45.21 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:45.25 | goozbach | I already used my freebie |
| 05:45.42 | Maquis | freebie? |
| 05:45.54 | goozbach | maybe if I use my other SSN..... |
| 05:46.05 | goozbach | one free ticket forgiven for visitors |
| 05:46.10 | Maquis | oh... |
| 05:46.16 | Maquis | and you can't be a different person? |
| 05:46.42 | Maquis | so which lot was this? |
| 05:46.55 | Maquis | the one right outside of the crabtree building is faculty only... |
| 05:47.00 | goozbach | yeah |
| 05:47.03 | Maquis | at least last time i checked |
| 05:47.14 | goozbach | over by the coal dump |
| 05:47.29 | Maquis | ick |
| 05:47.30 | goozbach | Maquis: but I can be a different person... |
| 05:47.44 | goozbach | I can be any one of several different persons |
| 05:47.55 | goozbach | Oscar Robison |
| 05:48.00 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:48.06 | goozbach | David Beck |
| 05:48.17 | goozbach | John Barny |
| 05:48.41 | goozbach | and/or Cynthia Llevara |
| 05:48.44 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:49.01 | goozbach | the last one only if I'm really drunk. |
| 05:49.05 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:49.12 | goozbach | or if you pay me enough |
| 05:49.29 | Maquis | that scares me... |
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| 05:50.38 | Patater | man, I'm still having x troubles |
| 05:50.56 | Patater | i do not think its my xorg.conf file, though |
| 05:51.01 | Maquis | Patater: i saw you online at the uug meeting, but couldn't figure out who you were... |
| 05:51.49 | Patater | I do see an error message when I boot up linux, is there a certain log file I can check out? |
| 05:51.54 | Patater | I sat behind the chicken |
| 05:52.02 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 05:52.14 | Patater | with the powerbook |
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| 05:52.21 | Patater | pink shirt |
| 05:52.24 | Maquis | nope... don't remember who you are... :) should've asked while we were there... :) |
| 05:52.24 | goozbach | ahh yes |
| 05:52.45 | ilovebees | adblock users: do you ever get the adblock window when you right click on a picture to open it in another window? how do you keep it from doing that? |
| 05:53.07 | shadoi | ilovebees: use firefox. :) |
| 05:53.10 | Patater | any ideas about the log file? |
| 05:53.11 | tensai | ilovebees: no. I never get that. |
| 05:53.33 | ilovebees | tensai, umm, I am using firefox, that's why I'm using adblock :) |
| 05:53.40 | goozbach | I love living alone some times |
| 05:53.45 | Maquis | Patater: /var/log/messages? |
| 05:53.48 | shadoi | I've never seen a pop-up while using firefox... |
| 05:53.48 | Maquis | goozbach: why? |
| 05:54.11 | tensai | ilovebees: I know. I didn't make that suggestion. I also use adblock but it never gets in the way. |
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| 05:54.27 | goozbach | I wandered into the kitchen in my skivvies, drank milk out of the carton and poured myself the third strait bowl of cereal |
| 05:54.34 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:54.41 | shadoi | I love living alone too |
| 05:54.44 | Patater | I'll check it out |
| 05:54.51 | Patater | boottime messages, yeah? |
| 05:54.59 | Maquis | goozbach: we have 6 cartons of milk in our fridge |
| 05:55.21 | tensai | Patater: also try dmesg |
| 05:55.23 | shadoi | Patater: you probably want /var/log/dmesg, or just type "dmesg | less" |
| 05:55.52 | tensai | the log file depends on the distribution. redhat likes /var/log/messages. debian uses /var/log/debug. |
| 05:56.04 | goozbach | Maquis: I once had a roommate who was grossed out when you drank of of the carton reguardless if it was your own or not. |
| 05:56.13 | goozbach | that dude bugged big time |
| 05:56.20 | Maquis | see, i've never tried drinking out of the carton |
| 05:56.24 | Patater | I don't have a dmesg log file, I looked for it using locate dmesg, but nope |
| 05:56.25 | Maquis | i think i'd spill everywhere |
| 05:56.26 | tensai | dmesg works everywhere. it shows the current kernel log buffer. eventually new message will push out boot time messages. |
| 05:56.28 | Maquis | i'm not that coordinated |
| 05:56.40 | goozbach | Maquis: drinking problem? |
| 05:56.49 | tensai | Patater: dmesg is a program. try running it. |
| 05:56.51 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:57.08 | Patater | okay, I'll try it |
| 05:57.12 | shadoi | Patater: some distros put the log elsewhere |
| 05:57.25 | Maquis | some sysloggers put the log elsewhere |
| 05:57.35 | Maquis | ls /var/log/ |
| 05:57.47 | goozbach | some loggers put syslog elsewhere as well |
| 05:57.54 | goozbach | :) |
| 05:58.02 | tensai | also, the log might be in another place |
| 05:58.09 | Patater | hmmm |
| 05:58.18 | shadoi | *rimshot* |
| 05:58.40 | goozbach | Ithankyou |
| 05:58.52 | Maquis | shadoi: huh? |
| 05:58.55 | goozbach | I'll be here all week, try the chicken |
| 05:58.58 | Maquis | ??? |
| 05:59.03 | Patater | would it help if I told you I used metalog? |
| 05:59.12 | shadoi | Maquis: you know.. the little drum thingy |
| 05:59.18 | shadoi | ba-dum-ching |
| 05:59.37 | goozbach | BANG! that chicken took it up a notch! |
| 06:00.00 | Maquis | Patater: that means it's in /var/log/everything/ probably |
| 06:00.22 | Maquis | shadoi: ah |
| 06:00.27 | Maquis | goozbach: huh? |
| 06:01.31 | ilovebees | tensai, does http://www.lynucs.org load up for you? |
| 06:02.38 | tensai | ilovebees: yeah. works fine |
| 06:03.13 | ilovebees | on the left side there are 4 images I believe, when you right click on the bottom one it doesn't bring up adblock? |
| 06:04.02 | tensai | none of the images pop up adblock |
| 06:04.17 | ilovebees | hmm, for me the bottom one does. |
| 06:08.54 | Patater | time to give x another shot, I think I might need the radeonfb module loaded or builtin to my kernel. I'll check it out |
| 06:08.58 | Patater | thanks for the helps |
| 06:08.59 | Patater | later |
| 06:26.19 | tensai | Maquis: I remembered by server upgrade tonight. And my router is all set this time. |
| 06:26.39 | Maquis | yay! :) |
| 06:30.41 | tensai | sheesh. how long does it really take to import 450,000 rows? |
| 06:30.59 | shadoi | approximately longer than you want. |
| 06:33.46 | tensai | ain't that the truth |