| 00:00.04 | hans | 'fc |
| 00:00.04 | brigham | fc is better for developers and desktop users. RHEL is better for servers. |
| 00:00.09 | fozz | If you type 'for BLAH in BLAH' the shell will wait for you. |
| 00:00.16 | hans | 'FC |
| 00:00.17 | brigham | FC is better for developers and desktop users. RHEL is better for servers. |
| 00:00.17 | natester | g3nt00 for me |
| 00:00.31 | natester | ahem gentoo |
| 00:00.42 | Maquis | 'gentoo |
| 00:00.42 | brigham | Two-pane filemanager using GTK+, 100% GUI configurable. URL: http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/ or good for experimentation and learning more about how things fit together and work and such |
| 00:00.57 | Maquis | huh? |
| 00:01.01 | natester | hehe |
| 00:01.04 | fozz | Nobody said anything. |
| 00:01.14 | Maquis | two-pane filemanager using gtk+??? |
| 00:01.20 | hans | little did you know, gentoo was a filemanger before a distro |
| 00:01.20 | fozz | Yeah. YOu didn't know about that? |
| 00:01.20 | natester | that about says it all |
| 00:01.28 | hans | scares me to death every time I see it in apt-cache |
| 00:01.36 | natester | hehe |
| 00:01.52 | hans | apt-cache search file | less; fall off chair |
| 00:01.56 | Lone_Wanderer | oops I typed .x instead of the real filename. |
| 00:02.21 | Lone_Wanderer | how do I get out of this editor/ |
| 00:02.35 | fozz | Type 'done' :) |
| 00:02.37 | Lone_Wanderer | nm ctrl-d |
| 00:02.38 | Lone_Wanderer | did it |
| 00:02.57 | natester | have a nice weekend y'all |
| 00:03.04 | fozz | uh... bye |
| 00:03.20 | fozz | lousy non-idler. |
| 00:03.27 | fozz | :) |
| 00:03.55 | Lone_Wanderer | excellent now if I do mv *.x *.z, will it copy only the files ending in .x to .z and not .x.y? |
| 00:04.11 | fozz | yes. |
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| 00:04.30 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:04.34 | hans | uh, wait |
| 00:04.56 | hans | mv *.x *.z will move everthing that matches those to the last thing on the line which might be zaphod.z |
| 00:04.59 | hans | e.g. |
| 00:05.11 | hans | a.x b.x c.x a.z b.z c.z |
| 00:05.12 | fozz | Uh yeah... I assumed he was going to use the for loop like before... |
| 00:05.33 | hans | mv *.x *.z will move {a,b,c}.x and {a,b}.z to c.z (and probably complain because it's not a directory) |
| 00:05.39 | fozz | Just saying mv *.x *.zwill just expand the wildcards out to a list of file names and the last one will be interpretted as the destination of the mv. |
| 00:05.59 | fozz | Yeah- what hans said. |
| 00:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah that's what it did |
| 00:06.14 | hans | actually you did a better explanation fozzy |
| 00:06.21 | Lone_Wanderer | so ermm... |
| 00:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | is there a ... well I could do the loop again. |
| 00:06.40 | hans | or is it spelled fozzie. you know, the cuddly brown thing that hangs with kermit |
| 00:07.07 | Lone_Wanderer | worked |
| 00:07.24 | fozz | for FILE in *x; do; NAME=`basename $FILE .x`; mv $FILE NAME.z; done |
| 00:07.28 | Lone_Wanderer | yay now it should all work :) |
| 00:07.36 | Lone_Wanderer | assuming I got the asp-php translation right. toodles. |
| 00:07.45 | fozz | WHA?! |
| 00:07.55 | fozz | We helped him commit a grevious sin?! |
| 00:08.26 | fozz | hans: fozz{ie,y}? |
| 00:08.35 | fozz | Most people just stick to "fozz" |
| 00:08.39 | byronc | for FILE in *x; do mv $FILE ${FILE%x}z; done |
| 00:08.54 | fozz | which is short for Fozziliny George Moo |
| 00:08.58 | byronc | I usually find that easier to remember |
| 00:08.59 | fozz | byronc: Is that a bashism? |
| 00:09.05 | byronc | fozz: yep, pure bashism |
| 00:09.18 | fozz | Not familiar with that one. |
| 00:09.21 | fozz | Looks cool, tho. |
| 00:09.26 | vontrapp | byronc: may want to include the . in ther, so you don't move box to boz |
| 00:09.50 | byronc | fozz: Check out the 'Paramerter Expansion' section in the bash manpage. |
| 00:09.58 | byronc | vontrapp: yeah, that's probably a good idea :) |
| 00:10.01 | vontrapp | mv $FILE ${FILE%.x}.z |
| 00:10.17 | byronc | vontrapp: or just for FILE in *.x |
| 00:10.26 | vontrapp | that too |
| 00:10.33 | vontrapp | actually, that's better |
| 00:10.49 | byronc | vontrapp: saves one character of typing |
| 00:11.04 | fozz | Hmmm. I have a hard time following this description. |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.15 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.17 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.19 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.21 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.23 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.25 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.27 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.06 | fozz | That's pure gibberish to me. |
| 00:12.38 | hans | I find `basename $i .so` easier to remember |
| 00:12.42 | hans | and read |
| 00:12.44 | hans | if harder to type |
| 00:12.54 | fozz | Okay- I think I get it now. |
| 00:13.01 | hans | ah, but it's not the same |
| 00:13.06 | hans | if full paths are involvex |
| 00:13.08 | byronc | basically ${parameter%glob} means strip off the shortest expansion of glob from the end of the value of $parameter |
| 00:13.15 | fozz | It will lop off anything you put after the % - which could be a wildcard expression in itself. |
| 00:13.23 | byronc | fozz: Exactly |
| 00:13.47 | fozz | Cool. |
| 00:14.06 | fozz | Who woulda thunk bash could be harder to read than Perl? :) |
| 00:14.16 | hans | oh, I woulda |
| 00:14.56 | fozz | What? According to some people, reading Perl is second to noen except Navajo. :) |
| 00:15.26 | hans | and cryptic bash |
| 00:15.30 | fozz | :) |
| 00:15.46 | hans | don't get me wrong. bash can be much more readable than perl for some stuff (see CA.pl vs CA.sh) |
| 00:16.07 | fozz | So, to conclude, byronc's suggestion would be fewer keystrokes, but would require more comments. :) |
| 00:16.12 | hans | but bash can be just as bad as good perl. If you start trying to be bad in perl, though... nothing can catch up |
| 00:16.35 | hans | yes, unless it's obvious what he's doing. in which case it's a learning tool |
| 00:16.49 | byronc | Yeah the comments would probably be good. After you start using it that notation gets _really_ addicting |
| 00:19.08 | hans | levi: help me decide. which is more fun? |
| 00:19.24 | levi | Hrm. |
| 00:20.05 | levi | I have no idea, but I'll say a* because it's easier to type the name. ;) |
| 00:22.39 | levi | hans: What are you coding these for? |
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| 01:55.08 | Maquis_ | so, i'm trying to help a friend with a computer that has some interesting issues |
| 01:55.35 | Maquis_ | it's running FC2, and has had problems since the uug installfest in september (i just haven't had much time to look at it yet) |
| 02:00.11 | hans | levi: for the ruby quiz of the week. |
| 02:00.24 | hans | fascinating little problem |
| 02:00.24 | Maquis_ | where is it that you change what the default desktop is? This computer is defaulting to Gnome, but gloria wants it to default to kde |
| 02:00.41 | hans | the easiest way is to use kdm instead of gdm |
| 02:01.02 | Maquis_ | hans, where do i change that? |
| 02:02.09 | goozbach | Maquis_: /etc/sysconfig/desktop |
| 02:02.24 | goozbach | or /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager |
| 02:02.29 | goozbach | I forget wich |
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| 02:02.37 | goozbach | s/wich/which |
| 02:02.52 | TimRiker | which witch is which? |
| 02:02.57 | Maquis_ | goozbach, you're going to be very helpful tonight i think |
| 02:03.07 | goozbach | Maquis_: no, I'm not... |
| 02:03.12 | Maquis_ | why? |
| 02:03.31 | goozbach | ten minutes or so... then I devote the rest of the weekend to Halo@ |
| 02:03.36 | goozbach | s/@/2 |
| 02:04.11 | TimRiker | anyone use xbconnect? |
| 02:04.42 | TimRiker | I've tried it out, not too many games support it, but it is free if you already have the internet connectio. |
| 02:05.32 | Maquis_ | goozbach, cool |
| 02:06.04 | Maquis_ | goozbach, you stil lthere? |
| 02:06.10 | Maquis_ | one more little thing so far that has me puzzlied |
| 02:07.08 | Maquis_ | when she goes into "devices" in the file manager, she has an item called "Hard Disc [0]" |
| 02:07.27 | Maquis_ | when i try to open it, it gives the following error: |
| 02:07.34 | goozbach | it should just be the / filesystem |
| 02:07.48 | Maquis_ | mount: can't find /0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 02:08.00 | Maquis_ | An error occurred while loading devices:/noauto,owner,user0: |
| 02:08.01 | goozbach | TimRiker: I've used it for the orignal halo |
| 02:08.14 | Maquis_ | goozbach, she has the / filesystem elsewhere |
| 02:08.21 | goozbach | Maquis_: I really don't know... |
| 02:08.27 | goozbach | I always use CLI |
| 02:08.27 | Maquis_ | and fc3 has /etc/fstab, right? |
| 02:08.33 | Maquis_ | goozbach, that's my problem :) |
| 02:12.55 | TimRiker | Maquis_: check the /etc/fstab out? I'm betting there's a space someplace where there shouldn't be. |
| 02:14.04 | Maquis_ | TimRiker, i didn't see anything with the 0 that made sense |
| 02:14.44 | TimRiker | Maquis_: hmm. my next step would be: grep -Irs "Hard Disc " /etc |
| 02:15.02 | Maquis_ | ok... |
| 02:15.03 | Maquis_ | thanks :) |
| 02:15.08 | Maquis_ | how's it going TimRiker |
| 02:15.10 | Maquis_ | ? |
| 02:15.13 | TimRiker | thank me if it works. ;-) |
| 02:15.26 | TimRiker | working on a BZFlag release. soon we hope. |
| 02:15.37 | Maquis_ | sweet!!! |
| 02:15.53 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah randomFactoid |
| 02:15.53 | ibot | randomFactoid for #utah is '1' |
| 02:15.58 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah -randomFactoid |
| 02:15.58 | ibot | Unsetting randomFactoid for #utah; was '1'. |
| 02:16.03 | Maquis_ | btw, i can google, but do you know off the top of your head what the additional library is that we need for dvds? |
| 02:16.20 | Maquis_ | i remember installing it on my laptop, but i can't remember it... |
| 02:16.58 | goozbach | libdvdcss? |
| 02:17.05 | TimRiker | something with ccs |
| 02:17.06 | Maquis_ | goozbach, yes! thanks |
| 02:17.19 | TimRiker | er css, yeah. ;-) |
| 02:18.00 | Maquis_ | thanks |
| 02:18.06 | TimRiker | new BZF has rain/snow/puddles, reflections, mesh objects, treads that move, and if I finish it central nick registration. |
| 02:18.19 | Maquis_ | TimRiker, no go on the grep -Irs for Hard Disc... but that's ok |
| 02:18.25 | Maquis_ | wow!!! |
| 02:18.25 | TimRiker | oh, and jumpjets. ;-) |
| 02:18.27 | Maquis_ | that's cool! |
| 02:18.57 | TimRiker | Maquis_: my next step would be to strace the program 2>&1 | grep open |
| 02:20.15 | Maquis_ | the program? |
| 02:20.27 | Maquis_ | we're just trying to open it i kde... |
| 02:20.44 | Maquis_ | if it doesn't work though, i cant just say not to worry about ti ebcause i don't think it actually points to anything |
| 02:20.51 | TimRiker | either filemanager, or devices if you can find the piece, or just strace -f on control panel. |
| 02:21.07 | Maquis_ | ok |
| 02:21.35 | TimRiker | Maquis_: all those "click to start" things you do, just run programs that you could start on the cmdline. |
| 02:21.49 | TimRiker | ~backwards |
| 02:21.50 | ibot | Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in most IRC clients? |
| 02:23.22 | TimRiker | aw. nobody tried it. |
| 02:25.18 | hans | TimRiker: that bzflag release sounds awesome |
| 02:25.27 | hans | Maquis_: you can use .xsession if she does startx |
| 02:25.48 | hans | echo exec fvwm > .xsession; chmod +x .xsession |
| 02:26.01 | TimRiker | hans: it's looking great. cvs tree is public if anyone wants to try it out. |
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| 02:33.55 | Maquis_ | so, ummm... just got kscd working |
| 02:33.55 | Maquis_ | nad then i closed it... |
| 02:33.55 | Maquis_ | and killed it |
| 02:33.55 | Maquis_ | and the cd is still playing |
| 02:33.58 | Maquis_ | has anyone ever had that problem????? |
| 02:34.04 | vontrapp | Maquis_: it starts the hardware cd player |
| 02:34.07 | vontrapp | and that just keeps going |
| 02:34.12 | Maquis_ | oh... |
| 02:34.17 | Maquis_ | vontrapp, how do i stop it then? |
| 02:34.28 | vontrapp | with the same or a different program that can tell it to stop |
| 02:34.30 | Maquis_ | s/in the/not in the/ |
| 02:34.32 | vontrapp | dcd stop |
| 02:34.40 | vontrapp | dcd 5 (for track 5) |
| 02:34.46 | vontrapp | dcd play |
| 02:34.48 | vontrapp | etc |
| 02:35.03 | Maquis_ | ok |
| 02:35.05 | Maquis_ | :) |
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| 02:39.10 | vontrapp | |lart hans for arbitrary agreement |
| 02:39.31 | vontrapp | on yes/no questions even |
| 02:39.42 | hans | llart vontrap |
| 02:39.57 | hans | |lart vontrapp |
| 02:40.06 | hans | that was stupid |
| 02:41.04 | vontrapp | is that when you have lots of shoes in a closet with a density such that the shoes pull you in, accelerating you to the speed of light and causing time anomolies? |
| 02:41.16 | vontrapp | ~steal goozbach's halo2 |
| 02:41.31 | vontrapp | ibot doesn't even know how to steal? |
| 02:42.04 | hans | or is it amonoolies |