| 00:01.45 | fozz | jjjjjjjjjjj |
| 00:01.50 | fozz | Dang. I thought I was in vi! |
| 00:01.59 | fozz | ;-) |
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| 00:02.51 | Maquis | fozz: i get random things like jjj in my cs312 projects too |
| 00:02.54 | Maquis | and in english papers... |
| 00:03.13 | fozz | :) |
| 00:03.16 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:03.35 | Nafai | LaTeX rocks |
| 00:03.40 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 00:03.50 | Maquis | what i've done with it was pretty cool |
| 00:03.59 | fozz | I've got a client who wanted web form data delivered to him in PDF format. |
| 00:04.16 | Maquis | but it's still at the point where it takes long enough that when i'm pressed for time for school-work, i need to use something that i can work faster with |
| 00:04.19 | fozz | You know, so they could just print out the form and then have the person who filled out the form just sign it. |
| 00:04.35 | fozz | Enter: LaTeX |
| 00:04.40 | fozz | And Template Toolkit. |
| 00:04.46 | Maquis | although it was great for solving problems with crystal reports at my old workplace |
| 00:04.57 | fozz | And voila. |
| 00:05.16 | Maquis | template toolkit? |
| 00:05.25 | fozz | I think he would have been super happy to go that route, but he wanted a solution that allowed any-old-chum to upload new forms to their website. |
| 00:06.10 | fozz | Template Toolkit is a Perl module. |
| 00:06.19 | fozz | www.template-toolkit.org |
| 00:06.28 | Maquis | see, i used it to solve a problem where crystal reports was messing up occasionally when it was called by a c#.net program to create prescriptions on the fly |
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| 00:06.53 | fozz | ewwwww |
| 00:07.01 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
| 00:07.06 | Maquis | wrote up a c# function that created the entire prescription form on the fly |
| 00:07.08 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 00:07.23 | Maquis | you had to sign on while i was in the middle of a sentence |
| 00:07.26 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 00:07.37 | Maquis | fozz: yes... it was messy |
| 00:07.40 | fozz | Hmmm. I should probably get going if I'm going to make it to the NUPM/PLUG mtg |
| 00:07.50 | Maquis | have fun then :) |
| 00:07.58 | fozz | :) |
| 00:08.00 | Maquis | ECS how's it going? |
| 00:08.09 | ECS | swell |
| 00:08.17 | Maquis | you at work right now? |
| 00:08.30 | ECS | just grabbing some food from my stash |
| 00:08.33 | Maquis | ah... |
| 00:08.35 | Maquis | then what? |
| 00:08.42 | ECS | digital lab |
| 00:08.43 | Maquis | food? |
| 00:08.48 | Maquis | digital lab... |
| 00:08.51 | Maquis | mmm food... |
| 00:09.02 | ECS | try granola bar. |
| 00:09.06 | ECS | Where are you? |
| 00:09.10 | Maquis | dungeons |
| 00:09.31 | Maquis | (the icky winblows part of the dungeons) |
| 00:11.38 | phinux | stupid newbie seeking fool proof method of burning an FC3 cd so that I don't have to go through this again. Using cdrecord v 2.0 and generic 52x24x52 CD-RW drive. Was using following command: cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 FC3-i386-disc4.iso. md5sumchecks out. |
| 00:12.03 | Maquis | phinux: what's the problem with it? |
| 00:12.06 | Maquis | does it not boot correctly? |
| 00:12.10 | Maquis | or does it not record at all? |
| 00:12.17 | jsmith | phinux: I use -pad and -dao |
| 00:12.22 | jsmith | phinux: Seems to help |
| 00:12.25 | phinux | on three out of four disks I've burned I get erros when running the standard FC test before install. |
| 00:12.39 | Maquis | ick |
| 00:12.59 | phinux | what do -pad and -dao do? |
| 00:12.59 | jsmith | phinux: For me, those two options made my success rate much higher. |
| 00:13.09 | Maquis | phinux: you don't seem like _that_ much of a "stupid newbie" |
| 00:13.16 | jsmith | phinux: -dao writes the disc in "disk at once" or "session at once" mode |
| 00:13.20 | phinux | I feel like it. |
| 00:13.36 | jsmith | phinux: -pad pads the image. I don't know the technical details, but someone told me to try it, and it seems to work. |
| 00:14.01 | phinux | OK, going to9 try those. I might be back to wine in half an hour. |
| 00:14.29 | jsmith | phinux: That's OK... I may be gone in half an hour :-) |
| 00:14.39 | levi | Well, so far Firefox 1.0 doesn't seem any more stable to me than previous versions. |
| 00:15.09 | jsmith | levi: Still fighting Firefox stability? |
| 00:15.55 | levi | I was, now I'm using Opera. |
| 00:17.45 | byronc | levi: crashes on some popups? i.e. gmail invite link? |
| 00:17.49 | Maquis | levi: i haven't had any problems with it yet, but i barely upgraded overnight |
| 00:17.58 | Maquis | byronc: i've never had problems with gmail invite links |
| 00:18.01 | Maquis | but other things, yes |
| 00:18.36 | byronc | I might get in trouble for saying this, but Firefox seems much more stable on Windows. |
| 00:18.50 | Maquis | byronc: i had a lot of problems over the summer with it on winblows |
| 00:18.57 | jsmith | byronc: That's the only place I've seen it crash! |
| 00:19.08 | Maquis | it was better than IE, but it did have serious problems with certain things... |
| 00:26.01 | levi | Mine crashes randomly on links from google. I haven't bothered to figure out what it is about them that causes the crashes. |
| 00:26.20 | decriptor | it this the latest version the 1.0 final |
| 00:26.31 | decriptor | or have you not tried it yet |
| 00:26.49 | levi | 1.0 final, yup. |
| 00:27.13 | decriptor | I had seen some problems with the earlier ones but very few |
| 00:27.37 | Bradipo | I'm afraid to upgrade... |
| 00:27.45 | Bradipo | I understand they screwed up ctrl-k and ctrl-u |
| 00:27.55 | Bradipo | And for that matter, ctrl-a and ctrl-e |
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| 00:53.15 | leinaD | I'm about to ask something that's likely to get me stoned. |
| 00:53.23 | leinaD | What's the difference between basic and visual basic? |
| 00:53.35 | Maquis | visual basic is more painful |
| 00:53.48 | leinaD | how is it more painful? |
| 00:54.00 | Maquis | actually, i haven't ever used basic... |
| 00:54.07 | leinaD | I've never used either. |
| 00:54.15 | Maquis | i'm just assuming it's less painful than vb |
| 00:54.28 | leinaD | mmkay |
| 00:54.37 | Maquis | vb is m$'s software creation language with ide... |
| 00:54.40 | Maquis | it's hideous... |
| 00:55.18 | Maquis | i know that in regular basic, you don't have a built in ide where you drag and drop buttons and text boxes and such to create your form... so that's one difference |
| 00:55.36 | Maquis | vb has hideous syntax... |
| 00:55.43 | leinaD | *nods* |
| 00:55.50 | leinaD | but is it really that different from basic? |
| 00:56.06 | leinaD | what I'm really wondering is how hard it would be for someone to move from basic to vb |
| 00:56.07 | Maquis | i think that vb probably has a lot more commands than basic does |
| 00:56.17 | Maquis | why would anyone want to do that? |
| 00:57.12 | leinaD | 'cause they have 20 years of experience programming in assembly and basic, and want to learn VB because it's more modern. |
| 00:58.05 | byronc | bonez39: all you basic system utilities and the kernel are written in c |
| 00:58.05 | leinaD | visual basic vs. basic, yes |
| 00:58.21 | Maquis | leinaD: 20 years of programming in assembly and basic... |
| 00:58.23 | byronc | bonez39: that includes X, gnome |
| 00:58.27 | Maquis | and they want to learn vb... |
| 00:58.29 | byronc | bonez39: kde is C++ |
| 00:58.39 | leinaD | I am uneducated and foolish, bonez39, but here's my take on things. |
| 00:58.56 | Maquis | sorry leinaD, i still don't get why, with 20 years of experience, they would want to learn vb |
| 00:58.57 | byronc | bonez39: php is usually used for web programming, and some will use it for administration scripts |
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| 00:59.22 | leinaD | Use C for large projects where performance is important. Use Perl for glue, throwaway programs, small projects where speed isn't important, and other duct tape-type tasks. |
| 00:59.31 | bonez39 | leinaD: hey, your opinion's as valid as the next..thanks.... |
| 00:59.33 | leinaD | Use PHP for your web site. Use Python for large projects where speed isn't important. |
| 00:59.53 | leinaD | bonez39, my opinion is not as valid as the next. I don't know Perl or Python, and I'm not that great at C. |
| 01:00.04 | Maquis | byronc: do you have any comprehension of why anyone with 20 years of experience would be trying to learn vb? |
| 01:00.28 | bonez39 | I just need to figure out mysql..so that I can run this new program openemr....can't get past setting up permissions......need to find someon well versed in setting up mysql and who is very very patient....;) |
| 01:00.43 | bonez39 | leinaD: well, your opinion still has merit |
| 01:01.01 | Maquis | leinaD: sorry if i'm being antagonistic... |
| 01:01.14 | leinaD | I know mysql and I am, unfortunately, as patient as the sea on this particular day. |
| 01:01.21 | leinaD | But, I have to leave like now for a meeting. |
| 01:01.26 | leinaD | Maquis, not at all. |
| 01:01.34 | Maquis | just avoid vb... |
| 01:01.37 | Maquis | trust me on that... |
| 01:01.39 | byronc | Maquis: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if someone thinks it would be useful, it would be useful for him to learn |
| 01:01.40 | leinaD | Maquis, I was sighing because I fit what bonez39 is looking for and it sounds like a lot of work ;) |
| 01:01.46 | Maquis | haha |
| 01:01.49 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:01.53 | leinaD | Maquis, the company I work for is writing software in VB right now. |
| 01:01.58 | Maquis | byronc: in what ways??? |
| 01:02.01 | Maquis | leinaD: i'm sorry |
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| 01:02.06 | leinaD | bonez39, can I pm you |
| 01:02.11 | decriptor | aaaaaah the horror (VB) |
| 01:02.15 | bonez39 | leinaD: here's my dilemma..I downloaded and followed the scripts through, to install OpenEMR...it's a database for patient records...billing, notes, etc.... |
| 01:02.17 | leinaD | Maquis, It's okay, they've got me on PHP and learning more about C. |
| 01:02.22 | Maquis | good |
| 01:02.24 | leinaD | bonez39, PM me with it :p |
| 01:02.28 | vontrapp | plug is at 7:30 no? |
| 01:02.32 | decriptor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.38 | decriptor | or that's what I've been told |
| 01:02.44 | byronc | Maquis: As someone who likes programming in many different languages, I like to see what other languages have to offer, and I don't usually like taking someone else's word for it. |
| 01:02.50 | bonez39 | leinaD: it said I had successfully installed....Whew...glad to get that done..but, it presented a login screen which was an endless loop..no matter what I entered there, I could not LOGIN... |
| 01:02.52 | decriptor | @ the viawest building? |
| 01:03.09 | Maquis | byronc: i understand that... |
| 01:03.23 | vontrapp | decriptor: right |
| 01:03.26 | Maquis | although... *shudder* |
| 01:03.34 | vontrapp | *shudder* |
| 01:03.45 | Maquis | howdy vontrapp |
| 01:03.54 | vontrapp | Maquis: your shudders are contagious |
| 01:04.27 | leinaD | Some people here, and I'm starting to move to their point of view, like to work on whatever project is interesting to them. If the language is clumsy, it's just an obstacle to get around. |
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| 01:06.58 | vontrapp | so i have distccd on my work computer, laptop and home computer (gnat, dernhelm, and aragorn, respectively) |
| 01:07.15 | vontrapp | the hosts for the client(aragorn) are dernhelm, gnat, localhost |
| 01:07.35 | vontrapp | when dernhelm is up and running, I only get compiles on dernhelm and aragorn |
| 01:07.41 | vontrapp | nothing happens on gnat |
| 01:07.56 | vontrapp | but the moment dernhelm goes down, gnat up and joins the effort |
| 01:08.09 | vontrapp | why is this so? |
| 01:11.20 | vontrapp | i have -j8 and still only two computers participate |
| 01:12.02 | vontrapp | ooh, distcc makes fun patterns on the network krell when on small bandwidth |
| 01:15.15 | vontrapp | *sigh* guess i'm off to perl mongers |
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