| 00:00.14 | Maquis | haha... someone received an email that said "Help! I can't find your email address. What is it?" |
| 00:00.57 | leinaD | probably someone had them in their address book and didn't know how to get the actual address out |
| 00:01.15 | sjansen | my first thought was virus |
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| 00:02.16 | sjansen | Maquis: "As he approached the house, he noticed a dead, half eaten animal near the front of the house. Later, he learned, whenever the customer needed to feed his dogs, he would step outside and shoot a calf." |
| 00:02.31 | Maquis | haha |
| 00:02.35 | Maquis | i've read that one |
| 00:02.37 | Maquis | that one scared me! |
| 00:03.11 | sjansen | This one scared me: "I work for Microsoft as a certified Word Professional. " |
| 00:03.13 | Maquis | some tech support guy got an email from a user who said that they couldn't send email from their account |
| 00:03.15 | sjansen | What a way to make a living. |
| 00:03.56 | Maquis | sjansen: no kidding! |
| 00:04.11 | leinaD | oh, man |
| 00:04.24 | leinaD | what would it be like to have a bunch of half-eaten cow corpses laying around? |
| 00:04.32 | leinaD | I'd start having flashbacks to Jacob's Ladder |
| 00:08.21 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:08.31 | Maquis | these ones that have conversations with bosses really scare me |
| 00:09.34 | leinaD | A lot of these remind me of the people who would call in, adamant that they knew what was going on, because they had a PhD in some completely unrelated field. |
| 00:09.54 | leinaD | "I'm an engineer! I design buildings and bridges all day long! You can't lie to me!" |
| 00:11.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.14 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.15 | Maquis | "The company I work for recently sent out (completely voluntary) customer information cards, asking for the customer's name, home address, and email address. On more than one card, the email address field was filled in with the word "same" and an arrow pointing to the home address field." <-- that's sad!!! |
| 00:11.16 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.20 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.25 | sjansen | "I've bought a stolen CDD3610 which didn't come with any software or cables. Could you please send that to me? I presume I do have the full 12 months warranty?" |
| 00:13.48 | Maquis | > jim, when i send e-mail! do i use ink, like if i was writing? i |
| 00:13.48 | Maquis | > had to put in new ink in |
| 00:13.48 | Maquis | > my printer, so i was wondering if e-mail use'es ink. |
| 00:13.49 | Maquis | > thank you |
| 00:14.24 | Maquis | This morning someone came barging into my office, panic stricken, and frantic. "All my mail I saved in one of my folders is gone!!!" she said. I asked her which folder she had saved it to. "Deleted Items," she said. |
| 00:15.50 | sjansen | Well, time to go find food. |
| 00:16.02 | Maquis | sjansen: just be sure to check the "Programming" section at some point |
| 00:16.05 | Maquis | those are the best ones |
| 00:16.54 | Maquis | # Him: "I can download games like Quake and play them during lunch, you know." |
| 00:16.54 | Maquis | # Me: "We're only allowed 10 megs in our accounts, and the system administrators would notice you downloading a large file." |
| 00:16.58 | Maquis | # Him: "Nah, I could hack it so he couldn't." |
| 00:17.00 | Maquis | # Me: "Ah, so you are into hacking. By the way do you know any programming languages?" |
| 00:17.03 | Maquis | # Him: "Yeah, of course." |
| 00:17.05 | Maquis | # Me: "Which ones?" |
| 00:17.08 | Maquis | # Him: "I can't tell you or else you'll use them." |
| 00:17.10 | Maquis | # Me: "Just by mentioning C++ or Pascal or whatever will not instantly make me a genius with those languages." |
| 00:17.14 | Maquis | # Him: "Oh sorry, I didn't understand you. Yeah, I know C++ and Pascal." |
| 00:17.16 | Maquis | # Me: "What compiler do you use?" |
| 00:17.18 | Maquis | # Him: "Well, Qbasic is my favorite." |
| 00:17.21 | Maquis | # Me: "Nobody over the age of eight uses QBasic for serious purposes." |
| 00:17.23 | Maquis | # Him: "But they made windows with QBasic." |
| 00:18.01 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:18.29 | Maquis | yeah... i guess i probably should go work :( |
| 00:24.38 | goozbach | I don't know that I can make it till friday... |
| 00:24.54 | goozbach | ...Must...Play... HALO |
| 00:25.23 | goozbach | |lart big expenses |
| 00:25.29 | jakea | today, I had someone refer to a crossover cable as a crossdressing cable |
| 00:28.22 | leinaD | heh] |
| 00:28.28 | leinaD | I know some people who did that for Halloween. |
| 00:28.41 | leinaD | Question for you all. What exactly did the Turbo button do? |
| 00:29.54 | goozbach | doubled the system bus speed |
| 00:30.05 | goozbach | 33 to 66 I beleive |
| 00:30.19 | goozbach | (that was a shot in the dark BTW) |
| 00:31.01 | leinaD | k |
| 00:33.47 | jakea | make people think their machine was faster in the old days |
| 00:37.47 | spr | "Ford you're turning into a penguin, stop it" |
| 00:42.51 | leinaD | I can't believe I just joined #asp |
| 00:43.03 | leinaD | (There's one other person there) |
| 00:49.49 | jsmith | goozbach: Usually, the turbo button make a 8086-compatible chip go from 1MHz to 4.77MHz, or a 80286-compatible go from 6MHz to 12MHz. By default the turbo button was on, so you had to turn it off to play certain games, etc. |
| 00:52.42 | leinaD | How does it do that though? drat he left |
| 00:56.47 | leinaD | Anyone know of a good sed tutorial? |
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| 01:12.10 | levi | leinaD: It's very similar to vi commands, actually. |
| 01:12.33 | leinaD | yay |
| 01:13.11 | levi | ed, sed, and vi are all part of the same family. |
| 01:13.49 | leinaD | oh, that's fantastic :) |
| 01:15.38 | levi | I imagine the turbo switch worked via a clock divider circuit or something. |
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| 01:59.49 | harleypig | I've written a cron parse module and I'm looking for ways to test it ... any ideas? |
| 02:10.57 | leinaD | I obviously don't know what you mean by a cron parse module, because my suggestion would be to run it and see if it produces the expected results. |
| 02:11.31 | leinaD | which is such an obvious suggestion that it hardly even bears mention |
| 02:14.54 | harleypig | Umm ... I'm looking for the best way to test. Do you know what a cron is? |
| 02:17.07 | leinaD | yeah |
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| 02:17.42 | leinaD | *Kim Jong Ill* Of course I know what a cron is! I have many cron! In fact, I invented the design that modern day cron use! |
| 02:18.02 | leinaD | Does it need to be run *as* a cron job? |
| 02:19.59 | leinaD | Or does it do cron -l and then parse the output of that? (Like I said, I don't know what you mean by 'a cron parse module') |
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| 02:39.30 | harleypig | What the heck was that? Anyway, no, it just parses a cron string and compares it against a date array and returns 1 if it matches the date string or undef if not. |
| 02:40.19 | harleypig | So, input would be something like $cron->now( '* * * * *', ( localtime )[1-4,6] ) |
| 02:40.32 | harleypig | now would return 1 on that string ... |
| 02:41.55 | harleypig | but would return undef on $cron->now( '* */2 * * *', ( 41, 19, 9, 10, 2 ) ) |
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| 02:56.30 | leinaD | oh ok |
| 02:57.26 | leinaD | I'm still confused about why you can't just run it and see if it works the way it should. |
| 02:59.16 | harleypig | I want to test it against as many combinations as possible before I submit it to CPAN. |
| 02:59.36 | leinaD | ahh ok |
| 02:59.46 | leinaD | oh, cool, I didn't know it was for cpan |
| 03:00.14 | harleypig | I could just do every second between 1/1/current year and 12/31/current year, but that seems ... harsh. |
| 03:00.17 | harleypig | And painful. |
| 03:00.27 | harleypig | np, I didn't mention it before. :> |
| 03:03.55 | harleypig | Man ... I *LOVE* 'Dude Looks Like A Lady' ! |
| 03:04.06 | harleypig | I wish the volume knob had an 11 for these songs! |
| 03:05.29 | leinaD | Well... |
| 03:05.41 | leinaD | do you really need to test it for every second? |
| 03:07.10 | harleypig | That's what I'm hoping to avoid ... I'm not really going to ... it would take forever. What I really want to know is if there is a way to somehow generate a cron string and an series of dates that are known to fail or pass. |
| 03:07.34 | harleypig | But that's circular, I know. |
| 03:10.47 | leinaD | These tech support stories are reminding me about the surprisingly large number of conversations I used to have that went something like... |
| 03:11.32 | leinaD | "Verio, can I help you?" "Yeah, I can't connect to the internet." "I'm sorry, we don't provide your internet connection service. Do you kn..." (interrupted) |
| 03:11.49 | leinaD | "Yeah I know you don't, I'm with Southwestern Bell. Can you help me?" |
| 03:12.21 | leinaD | Had that conversation at least once a month. |
| 03:15.05 | harleypig | :D |
| 03:16.42 | harleypig | My current favorite is when I was doing support for wireless in hotels. had a guy call up cause he couldn't get his porn. Told me he couldn't pick anybody up in the bar so he was just gonna look at porn. Yeah. Anyway, got him working, so to speak. About 15 minutes later got a call from a woman at the same hotel, 2 floors down, same thing. No one would pick her up at the bar, so she was just gonna look at porn. |
| 03:17.10 | harleypig | I was *SO* tempted to tell her about the guy in the other room. :> |
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| 03:38.23 | leinaD | heh |
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| 03:52.55 | bonez39 | Here's my question for the night: I have dsl through xmission, to my cisco 678 modem...this works fine....behind this...I have a Linksys router...with three ports...it works fine too, providing ip addresses to three machines.... |
| 03:53.51 | bonez39 | my problem lies in the fact that despite the linksys being configured to forward port 22 to one particular machine...I am remote from that network now and can't connect to that machine..... |
| 03:54.59 | bonez39 | the cisco is set up for forward port 22....and it works fine if I plug the wan line from it, into my hub...I can connect remotely to the forwarded machine, but with the linksys there, acting as the router, I can't access the forwarded machine remotely. |
| 03:55.08 | bonez39 | any ideas? |
| 03:57.19 | byronc | bonez39: is the cisco acting as a bridge or a router? |
| 03:58.24 | hans_dvorak | and is the linksys just routing, or doing NAT? |
| 03:59.16 | byronc | hans_dvorak: is the new nick to remind you to type slowly? :) |
| 04:05.08 | bonez39 | byronc: I have called xmission...they tell me.....my cisco is a connection between their system and mine..and must be routed...that they do not support bridged mode..... |
| 04:06.05 | bonez39 | I believe the linksys is doing NAT....the IP addresses on my lan are 192.168.15.x numbers...NOT the 10.0.0.x numbers which the CISCO would assign.... |
| 04:06.21 | byronc | bonez39: so what are these three ip's: cisco, linksys, internal? |
| 04:07.45 | bonez39 | cisco's IP address...the one assigned to me by xmission: 166.70.243.110...the linksys ip is 192.168.15.1....the linux machine..(port forwarded) is 192.168.15.110 |
| 04:07.55 | bonez39 | huh? he asked and then disappeared..... |
| 04:08.04 | bonez39 | anyone else like to pick up the ball on this? |
| 04:09.12 | bonez39 | Maquis: any ideas/ someone else asked me before about the routed versus bridged question... |
| 04:10.33 | goozbach | it's only 9 o'clock |
| 04:10.38 | goozbach | !!? |
| 04:10.54 | bonez39 | goozbach: you expect it to be later? |
| 04:11.01 | goozbach | bonez39: yeah |
| 04:11.06 | bonez39 | goozbach: body still adjusting to daylight savings? |
| 04:11.10 | goozbach | feels like 11 |
| 04:11.26 | goozbach | course that could be from last week being on the east coast |
| 04:11.45 | goozbach | no caffiene this late |
| 04:11.49 | bonez39 | ah, Jetlag then.... |
| 04:12.07 | bonez39 | this is early for me...I'll be to bed in 3 or 4 hours |
| 04:12.23 | goozbach | I've finally been sleeping halfway decent since i swore off caffiene after 5pm |
| 04:12.47 | bonez39 | that's likely a very good practice.... |
| 04:13.11 | goozbach | stupid UPS |
| 04:13.15 | bonez39 | any ideas on my dilemma? |
| 04:13.18 | goozbach | and my stupid wiring |
| 04:13.41 | bonez39 | you need to find an electrician who needs your linux expertise....... |
| 04:14.08 | goozbach | you have the following setup? internet <=> cisco <=> linksys <=> linux machine |
| 04:14.23 | goozbach | am i right? |
| 04:14.53 | bonez39 | hmmm not sure what that means...yeah, internet...dsl...xmission cisco linksys linux machine |
| 04:15.28 | bonez39 | yeah, you are right |
| 04:15.29 | goozbach | internet = anything upstream you don't have direct control over |
| 04:15.45 | bonez39 | right |
| 04:16.22 | bonez39 | when I do NOT use the linksys...but just plug into my hub....then the port forwarding which is set up for the cisco works....allows me to connect remotely... |
| 04:16.38 | goozbach | ok |
| 04:17.08 | goozbach | is the linksys set up to port forward as well |
| 04:17.09 | bonez39 | with the linksys in.....which provides my vonage digital telephone signal.....I get net access....on all lan machines...but the port forwarding doesn't work at the moment... |
| 04:17.09 | goozbach | ? |
| 04:17.27 | bonez39 | does that make sense? |
| 04:17.31 | goozbach | yeah |
| 04:17.39 | goozbach | it does make sense. |
| 04:17.48 | bonez39 | yeah, I set up port forwarding on the linksys too... |
| 04:18.10 | bonez39 | both are set up for port fowarding on port 22...... |
| 04:18.18 | goozbach | well then for all intents an purposes you should be set up |
| 04:19.02 | goozbach | does the cisco dsl modem have a built in switch? multiple ports/ |
| 04:19.37 | bonez39 | the cisco 678 is a modem/router...is does nat and dhcp, etc....but has just one port..... |
| 04:20.00 | bonez39 | so....it's output..goes to either my hub...or the linksys |
| 04:20.11 | goozbach | you have an extra switch and/or hub? |
| 04:20.56 | bonez39 | before getting this linksys,..from Vonage for my VOIP phone...I used the hub...., I will retire it, until I need it for more than 3 LAN connected machines... |
| 04:21.05 | bonez39 | the hub is extra at present |
| 04:22.12 | goozbach | so the linksys has more than one port? |
| 04:22.13 | bonez39 | here at home, when my linux machine is plugged in..I can ssh to my office linux machine...and look around, or scp to it to backup files...to home, or send files to it from home... |
| 04:22.50 | bonez39 | but if run putty, or psftp here on this windows machine, at home....I can't connect either either........this is after I plugged in the linksys.... |
| 04:23.20 | bonez39 | but if I run ... should have written |
| 04:25.03 | goozbach | try plugging in the cables like so: cisco <=> hub <=> linksys <=> linux machine |
| 04:25.09 | bonez39 | it's frustrating....I have wondered whether to just plug everything in to the hub..and then also a cable from hub to wan port on the linksys... |
| 04:25.39 | goozbach | then plug another machine into the hub, and test weither you can get from that point back to the linux machine. |
| 04:25.50 | bonez39 | ok, what does that do, having the hub in there? |
| 04:26.13 | goozbach | allows you to plug in another machine at that segment to test as if you were the cisco modem |
| 04:26.37 | bonez39 | I see...so just experiment with the various configurations... |
| 04:26.56 | goozbach | you need to isolate where the connectiviy is failing |
| 04:28.05 | goozbach | having another machine from which you can telnet at the same level as the cisco switch, you can determine weither its the cisco, or the linksys that is acting up. |
| 04:28.27 | bonez39 | ok......I'll go and try that.....but if I am there....how will I know...until I come home...and then ssh or scp to it...whether it's working or not? oh, I see.... |
| 04:28.47 | bonez39 | I can understand this...you make it seem logical...and I am grateful |
| 04:29.06 | goozbach | not a problem |
| 04:29.18 | goozbach | (I do this sort of stuff for a living) |
| 04:29.36 | goozbach | I get lots and lots of practice. |
| 04:36.39 | amcnabb | I've got a Vim question about .vim directories. |
| 04:37.37 | amcnabb | I want to override the 'formatoptions' which is set by filetype plugins, but even if I put a 'set formatoptions-=o' in .vim/after/plugin/vim.vim it still seems to be overridden. |
| 04:50.26 | amcnabb | Dang. No Vim gurus around. |
| 05:06.03 | Maquis | hi amcnabb |
| 05:06.11 | amcnabb | Maquis, hi |
| 05:06.23 | Maquis | i don't want to take a chinese oral exam tomorrow |
| 05:06.34 | Maquis | and i _really_ don't want to go talk to my chinese teacher about my grades... |
| 05:06.56 | Maquis | she cornered me today and said in essence that she thinks i should be getting much better grades than i am... |
| 05:15.38 | goozbach | at least she's concerned |
| 05:15.45 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 05:15.59 | Maquis | thing is, i should be doing better than i am... |
| 05:16.05 | goozbach | I didn't show up for a month to a class, and the prof didn't blink an eye when I returned |
| 05:16.05 | Maquis | i just don't have the motivation to do the work |
| 05:16.46 | Maquis | how big of a class? |
| 05:17.21 | Maquis | thing with chinese is, tihs is going to be the first time i will have gotten anything lower than an A in a chinese class... |
| 05:17.35 | Maquis | and i've taken a total of 6 years of chinese (spread over a 10-year period of time) |
| 05:17.57 | Maquis | and it's only 201... i learned most of the grammar that we're covering back in 7th grade |
| 05:17.57 | hans_dvorak | |spell barad-dur |
| 05:17.58 | brigham | incorrect usage: spell <word> => check spelling of <word>, suggest alternatives |
| 05:18.34 | Maquis | |spell baraddur |
| 05:18.35 | brigham | baraddur: no suggestions |
| 05:18.40 | goozbach | slacker |
| 05:18.46 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:19.49 | goozbach | do I stay awake and wait for the GF to call, or do I go to sleep, and hope the phone call doesn't wake me up? |
| 05:20.04 | Maquis | goozbach: chances are, she won't call until you fall asleep |
| 05:20.30 | Maquis | and then she'll call right when you're right at that particular point where, if you get woken up, you'll be up for the rest of the night |
| 05:20.38 | goozbach | yeah, that's how it normally works |
| 05:20.49 | Maquis | but if you wait up all night, she'll forget to call |
| 05:20.58 | goozbach | it really sucked when I was on the east coast, |
| 05:21.11 | Maquis | if you wait til 3am, then give up, she'll call at 3:05... |
| 05:21.13 | Maquis | you just can't win |
| 05:21.27 | goozbach | she calls abt 11pm here, I'm all tucked in bed, it's 1am |
| 05:21.35 | Maquis | (we girls are pretty skilled at that type of thing) |
| 05:21.42 | goozbach | yeah, tell me about it. |
| 05:21.57 | goozbach | I think it's an inherant trait. |
| 05:22.23 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:22.38 | Maquis | it takes a lot more work than you'd think |
| 05:23.02 | Maquis | anyway, i'm closing this window again... |
| 05:23.11 | Maquis | because i _really_ need to work on stuff |
| 05:23.19 | Maquis | i'll be back later to say gnight :) |
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| 05:42.00 | tensai | ~lart actiontec |
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| 06:07.21 | vontrapp | is bandwidth a potential bottleneck with distcc? |
| 06:08.17 | vontrapp | hans: for you demo, we could distcc an emerge over the vpn in 4 locations :) |
| 06:08.44 | vontrapp | gnat dernhelm aragorn falcon and even arawn |
| 06:10.11 | vontrapp | and jacobs new puter, too |
| 06:10.34 | vontrapp | we could watch x emerge in no time at all |
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| 06:55.02 | resplin | Any LaTeX gurus still online? |
| 07:01.46 | spr | barely. I'm not much of a guru, but we've got the book here |
| 07:08.29 | Maquis | spr: has the firefox ebuild still not reached portage? |
| 07:17.58 | spr | I'm installing right now. |
| 07:18.03 | spr | It might be ~x86 |
| 07:21.42 | resplin | I want me nested split equations to align with the align environment, but they want to take up the whole line and not play nicely. Does anyone have any ideas how to deal with it? |
| 07:22.54 | Maquis | spr: apparently you were right |
| 07:25.05 | Maquis | gnight all... |
| 07:25.39 | resplin | It's pretty sad when the moment I ask a question everyone leaves or flees in terror. |
| 07:25.50 | resplin | ~latex |
| 07:25.51 | ibot | rumour has it, latex is nice on a woman, but LaTeX (pronounced la tech) is a set of macros for the TeX document formatting system. awesome, or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/LaTeX/, or read The Not-So-Short Guide to LaTeX : http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/, or http://www.tex.ac.uk/ |
| 07:26.08 | resplin | ~split mode |
| 07:26.19 | resplin | ~split |
| 07:26.20 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, split is when onemore freenode servers disconnect from the others: this shows up as a bunch of "Signoff: xxx (Connection reset by peer)" |
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| 08:41.59 | Tene | okay... |
| 08:42.03 | Tene | so I'm on gentoo |
| 08:42.14 | Tene | and glibc has been wanting to upgrade for a while |
| 08:42.22 | Tene | However, make check fails on it |
| 08:43.49 | Tene | it compiled without errors, though |
| 08:45.20 | Tene | so I've been trying to figure out if I should just install it anyway |
| 09:11.41 | resplin | Have you searched the Gentoo forms or checked bugs.gentoo.org to see if other people have noticed make check fail? |
| 09:13.33 | Tene | I haven't yet |
| 09:13.39 | Tene | thanks for the suggestion |
| 09:13.49 | resplin | I haven't rsynced and updated in a while, so that is the best suggestion I can offer. |
| 09:13.57 | resplin | p |
| 09:13.59 | resplin | np |