| 00:01.09 | lukfugl | Jayce^: I installed the X11 from apple.com (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/) but when I try and launch the gaim that came from fink's apt-get with that X, there are no fonts |
| 00:01.19 | Jayce^ | strange |
| 00:01.24 | Jayce^ | haven't had that problem |
| 00:01.38 | lukfugl | Jayce^: what approach did you use? |
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| 00:02.16 | specialk | |lart Maquis |
| 00:02.21 | lukfugl | sjansen: my guess, having delved quite a bit into X11 and Xft lately, is that it's trying to use some Xft stuff but not finding any fonts |
| 00:03.12 | Maquis | |lart specialk |
| 00:04.00 | specialk | try rubbing some in your eyes |
| 00:04.06 | Maquis | ouch! |
| 00:04.06 | Jayce^ | you'd get dirty.. |
| 00:04.46 | sjansen | Jayce^: That particular end would still end up cleaner, even with a bit of lemon-pepper on the paper. |
| 00:05.25 | sjansen | specialk: I think you've misunderstood the purpose of toilet paper if you've been rubbing it in your eye. |
| 00:06.23 | hans | I think the point is it would sting on that end too |
| 00:06.25 | sjansen | Now if you're aiming for the nose, wouldn't it be more effective to sprinkle lemon-pepper on Maquis tissue paper? |
| 00:06.40 | sjansen | hans: You think so? I'm just not buying it. |
| 00:06.41 | Jayce^ | so for those who want to know, Joe is cooking different items at this meeting, than at the plug meeting |
| 00:07.04 | sjansen | Jayce^: In current context, that message has a second meaning. |
| 00:07.17 | lukfugl | Jayce^: when's this meeting? |
| 00:07.19 | lukfugl | :) |
| 00:07.45 | Jayce^ | the uug meeting on the 18th is it? |
| 00:08.00 | spr | yeah, what's it to you? |
| 00:08.30 | sjansen | (UUG VP picks fight with PLUG P: news at 11!) |
| 00:08.45 | specialk | point being it can be almost as sensitive when properly applied. |
| 00:09.09 | Jayce^ | don't forget, not just PLUG P, but right-wing nut-job, gun lover :) |
| 00:09.49 | Maquis | *fight* *fight* *fight* |
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| 00:12.19 | lukfugl | ah, more information |
| 00:12.31 | jakea | <--- Liberal Wiener |
| 00:12.31 | lukfugl | if [ ${#DISPLAY} -eq 0 ]; then |
| 00:12.31 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.34 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.36 | lukfugl | dog |
| 00:12.38 | lukfugl | doh |
| 00:13.01 | lukfugl | can't type, and OSX's terminal doesn't automatically copy to buffer on highlight :) |
| 00:13.08 | lukfugl | galadriel:~ lukfugl$ gaim |
| 00:13.08 | lukfugl | Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file |
| 00:13.16 | lukfugl | that's the error when starting gaim |
| 00:14.31 | Maquis | lukfugl: galadriel? |
| 00:14.58 | Maquis | oh... wait... |
| 00:15.00 | Maquis | never mind |
| 00:15.07 | lukfugl | Maquis: yup, because of the overwhelming beauty and power ;) |
| 00:15.31 | Maquis | lukfugl: i thought you were trying to get someone's attention by doing that... |
| 00:15.43 | Maquis | and didn't see anyone by that name in the channel... |
| 00:15.48 | hans | I'm independent conservative with libertarian tendencies, esp. in economics |
| 00:16.11 | spr | non-partisan moderate conservative |
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| 00:17.09 | hans | |hug man -t |
| 00:17.15 | hans | ~hug new |
| 00:17.17 | ibot | ACTION hugs new |
| 00:17.29 | hans | er, man -t |
| 00:19.06 | lukfugl | anyone know what to do with b0rked fontconfigs? |
| 00:19.26 | hans | unbork them |
| 00:19.29 | Maquis | hans: what exactly is groff? |
| 00:19.37 | Maquis | i'm reading the man page, but not completely understanding what it is |
| 00:19.49 | hans | the typesetter for the language manpages is written in. roughly similar to tex |
| 00:20.01 | hans | ignore the groff part. it outputs postscript |
| 00:20.08 | Maquis | oh... |
| 00:20.15 | hans | man -t darcs | lp |
| 00:20.17 | Maquis | couldn't the man man page have mentioned that? |
| 00:20.34 | Maquis | ("that" being the fact that it comes out as postscript) |
| 00:20.44 | hans | in debian it does: "The default output for groff is usually PostScript" |
| 00:21.00 | jakea | <--- flaming chicken wing with liberal hot sauce tendencies |
| 00:21.13 | hans | don't forget the star * tendencies |
| 00:21.15 | Maquis | hmmm... maybe i missed it... but i didn't see that |
| 00:21.16 | Maquis | oh well |
| 00:21.26 | Maquis | jakea: :) |
| 00:22.38 | jakea | <--- Librarian with a tendency to Beep on sjansen |
| 00:22.58 | hans | ~jump sjansen |
| 00:23.00 | Maquis | *cough* sjansen *cough* |
| 00:23.35 | Maquis | jakea: you should drive up and steal the book... |
| 00:24.00 | jakea | can we have an ibot command called "beep" that when used can remind sjansen to turn in his library books? |
| 00:24.05 | Maquis | (and maybe a credit card to buy future books with) |
| 00:24.15 | jakea | ~beep sjansen |
| 00:24.37 | hans | ibot, beep is <action>hits sjansen up the side of the head with the book he hasn't returned |
| 00:24.39 | ibot | ...but beep is already something else... |
| 00:24.45 | hans | ~beep |
| 00:24.46 | ibot | (beep) |
| 00:24.48 | Maquis | ibot: beep $who is <action> bonks $who over the head and reminds him to return his library book |
| 00:24.49 | ibot | okay, Maquis |
| 00:24.54 | Maquis | ~beep sjansen |
| 00:24.56 | ibot | ACTION bonks sjansen over the head and reminds him to return his library book |
| 00:25.06 | jakea | w00t |
| 00:25.06 | Maquis | jakea: like that? |
| 00:25.12 | sjansen | Maquis: Driving "up" to steal the book could take some time, seeing as I'm in California right now. |
| 00:25.25 | Maquis | yes, but is the book with you? |
| 00:26.31 | jakea | lemme try |
| 00:26.37 | jakea | ~beep sjansen |
| 00:26.40 | ibot | ACTION bonks sjansen over the head and reminds him to return his library book |
| 00:26.46 | sjansen | Uhm... I have a rabid pit bull? |
| 00:26.53 | sjansen | No! An attack bunny! |
| 00:26.59 | Maquis | sjansen: nice try |
| 00:27.04 | sjansen | With sharp teeth! Just look at those teeth! |
| 00:28.16 | jakea | I have sharks with freaking laser beams attatched to their heads |
| 00:28.17 | vontrapp | (looking around, desperately trying to convince the knights of the danger) "Look at the BONES!!" |
| 00:28.33 | lukfugl | I almost soiled my armor! |
| 00:28.53 | Maquis | jakea: do you have the holy hand-grenade? |
| 00:29.34 | jakea | BEHOLD! The holy hand-grenade! |
| 00:32.28 | spr | Are you going to be at the meeting tonight? |
| 00:32.34 | Maquis | spr: he's trying to get the book back |
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| 00:37.37 | lukfugl | spr: meeting tonight is Firewalls by andrew? |
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| 00:37.59 | Maquis | lukfugl: i know it's firewalls |
| 00:38.01 | vontrapp | lukfugl: almost? can't be almost, five minutes later - "I did it again!" |
| 00:38.12 | lukfugl | vontrapp: good point |
| 00:38.31 | lukfugl | well, off to hang with Stacey. Bye all |
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| 00:38.47 | vontrapp | so is frodo still around..... darn, he left |
| 00:38.49 | hans | |lart stacey |
| 00:38.53 | hans | he got it this morning |
| 00:38.55 | vontrapp | |lart stacey |
| 00:39.02 | hans | umm |
| 00:39.06 | vontrapp | heh |
| 00:39.15 | vontrapp | yeah, stacey, better get rid of that beard |
| 00:39.17 | hans | "It'd be nice if you could pull me into town" |
| 00:39.25 | vontrapp | ? |
| 00:39.35 | hans | |lart vontrapp for forgetting |
| 00:39.36 | vontrapp | you didn't want to come to vernal with us |
| 00:39.52 | vontrapp | ah, i see |
| 00:40.07 | vontrapp | the sharks with lazer beams was from the same, right? |
| 00:40.13 | hans | think so |
| 00:42.47 | spr | stupid 224. "Write out the logic" no cool code.. |
| 00:43.11 | Maquis | spr: you're in 224? |
| 00:43.17 | spr | All i want to do is: assign q = (cei + q) % 6 |
| 00:43.21 | spr | Maquis: yep |
| 00:43.26 | Maquis | haha |
| 00:44.10 | vontrapp | hrmmm, /me has no sound on that trailer |
| 00:45.09 | vontrapp | hans, pretty impressive this connection they have here |
| 00:45.21 | vontrapp | gets close to 200K/s at times |
| 00:45.21 | hans | oh? |
| 00:45.24 | hans | good |
| 00:45.31 | vontrapp | average around 100 |
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| 01:09.13 | vontrapp | |lart stupid forms that have an email and confirm email field |
| 01:11.49 | hans | who's the only one here who knows illegal moves from the government? |
| 01:14.08 | macnewbold | vontrapp: don't you just cut and paste for the confirm email field? ;) |
| 01:14.22 | vontrapp | there's no point for it! |
| 01:14.30 | vontrapp | it's not like you can't see what you typed |
| 01:14.41 | macnewbold | yeah there is... do you know how many people typo their own email address? |
| 01:14.44 | vontrapp | i just think its silly |
| 01:15.00 | macnewbold | yeah, it's dumb that we have to bother with it |
| 01:15.06 | vontrapp | it originated with password confirmations |
| 01:15.18 | vontrapp | you confirm those because if you mistyped, you don't see it |
| 01:15.23 | macnewbold | I ended up writing something for the sites I make that checks that there's an MX for the domain in their email address |
| 01:15.24 | vontrapp | but for email |
| 01:15.33 | macnewbold | yeah, people should read better |
| 01:15.57 | macnewbold | I haven't taken it so far as to actually try to talk to their mail server, since that may be a bit much for a php script... ;) |
| 01:18.37 | hans | I think the practice of confirming by a link in the email is sufficient proof that they got it right. |
| 01:23.45 | macnewbold | yeah, that type of confirmation is good for most things. |
| 01:24.26 | macnewbold | sometimes though, you don't really need to require any action on their part, you just don't want to get address in your list that are just going to bounce due to the user's carelessness in typing their own address. |
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| 01:37.19 | tensai | hans: http://www.zmonkey.org/gallery/2004-Nov-Focaccia |
| 01:39.00 | levi | Yum! |
| 01:40.31 | levi | Cool, I use drupal for my blog, too. |
| 01:42.17 | levi | lifeoflevi.com, if you care to look |
| 01:42.19 | levi | Time to go home... |
| 01:48.00 | brailsmt | goozbach: what language? |
| 01:48.11 | goozbach | now he's encoding everything |
| 01:48.13 | goozbach | perl |
| 01:48.26 | brailsmt | goozbach: can i see it? (just for fun) |
| 01:49.42 | goozbach | #!/usr/bin/perl -p |
| 01:49.42 | goozbach | y/A-Za-z/N-ZA-Mn-za-m/; |
| 01:49.42 | goozbach | ~ |
| 01:51.07 | goozbach | yeah |
| 01:53.05 | brailsmt | echo rot13 | rot13 | tr [A-Za-z] [N-ZA-Mn-za-m] |
| 01:53.09 | brailsmt | it works too :) |
| 01:54.05 | xbmodder_ | rot13 |
| 01:55.28 | brailsmt | rot in, rot out |
| 01:55.29 | brailsmt | :D |
| 01:58.36 | hans | tensai: heh, that's sweet. big |
| 01:58.56 | tensai | I didn't realize it was so big either. not a problem, of course :) |
| 02:00.31 | tensai | ] |
| 02:01.20 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.28 | tensai | it appears my son has been typing for me |
| 02:02.55 | hans | he's welcome any time |
| 02:11.03 | hans | cool. darcs keeps everything in the tree root (./_darcs/) so your stuff isn't polluted with CVS or .svn directories |
| 02:22.42 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:24.04 | Maquis | ~quote scox |
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| 02:38.11 | spr | live on thursday night, it's the uug-meeting |
| 02:39.39 | hans | |lart uugers |
| 02:40.06 | spr | ~lart hans |
| 02:43.19 | Maquis | |lart hans |
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| 02:55.57 | Maquis | goozbach: you around? |
| 02:56.05 | hans | |lart goozbach |
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| 03:26.32 | bonez39 | why won't mutt send out my email? I send and get this error message: drjones@vii.com SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<scott@zugraum> SIZE=1521: host barracuda.viawest.net [216.87.85.209]: 504 <scott@zugraum> Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address |
| 03:27.53 | hans | scott@zugraum isn't a fully-qualified address |
| 03:28.06 | hans | it's your MTA that's misconfigured |
| 03:28.46 | bonez39 | that is exim...right, or postfix....or sendmail? |
| 03:28.52 | hans | yup |
| 03:29.26 | bonez39 | what's your favorite, hans, for an MTA? |
| 03:29.46 | hans | I use postfix now |
| 03:31.36 | bonez39 | ok, apt-getting it now...another quick question..I apt-got kernel-image-2.6.6...and when I went to boot it, it refused to load, the gui....I guess i have to configure xf86config for each kernel .... right/ do I just copy the parameters from the conf file that works now...and run xf86config with the new kernel running? |
| 03:31.55 | byronc | bonez39: if you isp provides an smtp server you can use nbsmtp for your outgoing and then if you are using fetchmail to get you email you can have fetchmail send it right on to procmail. No big mta needed. |
| 03:32.23 | bonez39 | byronc: ok, that sounds easy.....I have comcast....for my ISP.... |
| 03:32.26 | hans | you shouldn't have to reconfigure x for new kernels |
| 03:33.19 | bonez39 | well,I boot up and it does not run...no X.....refuses to start....yet, I go back here to 2.4.18...and it runs fine...gdm and gnome... |
| 03:33.43 | byronc | bonez39: If you don't mind looking at gentoo docs, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-to-mutt.xml will show you how to set it all up. |
| 03:33.59 | byronc | bonez39: And with the new kernel you may want to put psmouse in your /etc/modules |
| 03:34.35 | byronc | bonez39: That just might be why X is failing. |
| 03:35.49 | bonez39 | byronc: thanks..I'll check those... |
| 03:54.24 | goozbach | goozbach goes to white castle |
| 03:54.31 | goozbach | and comes back |
| 03:59.05 | goozbach | Maquis: ping? |
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| 04:09.50 | rufius | goozbach: pong |