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00:34.37harsh|lart Maquis
00:36.06Special_K|rps paper
00:36.06brighamrock. You win.
00:41.32sjansenSpecial_K: You're harsh? I never knew.
00:42.55Special_KActually I'm sitting next to Harsh in the digital Lab
00:43.34Special_KBut if Maquis is on, she'll lart me before I can get it out, so sometimes I come on in disguise.
00:44.07sjansenOkay. I was pretty sure you were someone different.
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00:45.02Special_KI know, I'm not Harsh, but I'm only a couple feet away.
00:45.40sjansenYou're Stephen, right?
00:45.48Special_Knope
00:45.58sjansenwell, shoot, my world doesn't make sense anymore
00:46.03Special_KScott K
00:46.07TeneNo, I am.
00:46.15sjansenTene: That's right.
00:46.22sjansenSpecial_K: Have we met then?
00:46.46Special_KI presented apps at the UUG newbies meeting
00:46.55Maquis|lart Special_K
00:47.08Maquis|lart Special_K
00:47.13Special_K|lart Maquis
00:47.38Maquis|lart Special_K
00:47.58sjansenSpecial_K: How long ago?
00:48.09Special_Klast month
00:48.19sjansenHow long have you been in the UUG?
00:48.36Special_Ksince last February.
00:48.43sjansenhmmmmmmmmm
00:48.56sjansenSo I might know you.
00:49.14sjansenI'm obviously getting old and forgetful.
00:49.30Special_KI'm a CSR for the school of education as well.
00:49.32goozbachlinks kicks ass
00:49.39Maquissjansen: you haven't met me, right??  cuz if that's correct, you should come tomorrow night... :)
00:49.59Special_K|praise vim
00:50.06sjansenEveryone: If you see I've forgotten something important, please tie it to me so I don't forget it again.
00:50.27Maquissjansen: i'm sure emcnabb_ would be happy to oblige...  :)
00:50.31sjansenMaquis: We've had this conversation before. It's not that I haven't met you, you haven't me me.
00:50.40Maquisoh...  how does that work?
00:50.42Special_KI just installed vim on my CAEDM account.
00:51.08Maquisor is it one of those things where you would have "met" me because it's one of those "hmm... there's a girl here" things...  
00:51.23Maquiswhereas, i didn't actually meet anyone... :)
00:51.50sjansenYou've asked before. The answer hasn't changed yet.
00:52.24sjansen(Although it did take awhile to figure out that you and Jamie were different people.)
00:52.28Special_KYeah, he's probably seen me, but I'm not terrificly distinctive.
00:52.50Maquissjansen: haha... :)
00:53.10MaquisSpecial_K: has your nick been stolen again
00:53.11Maquis?
00:53.19SpecialKnope..
00:53.22SpecialK.guess not... :)
00:53.34SpecialK|lart Special_K
00:54.13sjansenSpecial_K: do you have a picture online?
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00:59.41Maquisrandom discovery: the Titanic theme song sounds really funny in chinese
01:00.17sjansenlater tonight: a surprise discovery, fun to be had by most
01:00.42sjansenstay tuned for details
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01:06.14Phil_|lart Maquis
01:15.53SpecialKno other reason than being logged on twice is silly.
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01:23.10Maquis|lart SpecialK
01:23.36MaquisSpecialK: it's not that hard to see when you log in...  your ip address is the same...
01:26.03Maquisit's always ~sjk@ip address or ~ECS@ip address..
01:26.16Maquis(i guess i'm not thinking ip address... just your address that shows when you log in
01:32.54Maquistene, what kind of problems?
01:33.32Teneit complains about not being able to run the gtk+ test program
01:33.38Maquis??
01:33.42Teneand then elaborates and says that it wasn't able to build and link
01:33.53Teneand tells me to get the latest version of gtk+
01:34.07Maquisshouldn't emerge grab that for you if you need it?
01:34.08Tenechecking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
01:34.08Tene*** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
01:34.08Tene*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
01:34.08Tene*** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
01:34.08Teneconfigure: error:
01:34.10Tene*** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
01:34.13Tene*** development headers installed. The latest version of GTK+ is
01:34.15Tene*** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
01:34.18TeneI already have it
01:34.49TeneI just did that with 'ebuild gaim-1.0.0.ebuild setup fetch unpack compile'
01:35.08Teneso now I'm trying to find what dir it was compiled in to check config.log
01:37.11Maquishuh?
01:37.55Tene".. See the file config.log for the .."
01:38.07Maquis|lart stupid extension cords that have only take 2-prong plugs
01:46.49sprTene: just out of curiosity, why aren't you just doing 'emerge gaim'?
01:46.59Tenebecause it does the same thing
01:47.05TeneI did it that way to get the config.log
01:47.12Tenebut there's nothing interesting or useful in there.
01:47.34beandogwhat v of gtk is installed
01:48.22Tene2.4.9-r1
01:48.36beandogwhat does emerge -pv gaim say?
01:48.54Tene[ebuild     U ] net-im/gaim-1.0.2 [0.82.1] +cjk +crypt -debug -debug -debug -eds +gnutls +nas +nls +perl +silc +spell  0 kB
01:48.57Tene[ebuild     U ] x11-plugins/gaim-encryption-2.32 [2.30] -debug -debug  509 kB
01:49.05Teneit's the same with 1.0.0, 1.0.1, and 1.0.2
01:50.19beandogwhat is silc
01:50.20beandogand do you need cjk?
01:50.29beandog?
01:50.54beandogI'd do USE="-cjk -nas -perl -silc -spell" emerge gaim
01:51.02Tenesilc is an IM protocol
01:51.29Teneyeah, same problem on 0.82.1
01:53.05Tenesame problem
01:53.16beandogsays that gtk2 is required?
01:53.21beandogwhat does emerge gtk+ -pv say
01:53.31beandogor try emerge -pvD gaim
01:53.35beandogor emerge -puvD gaim
01:53.55Tene[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.4.9-r1  -debug +doc +jpeg +tiff  6 kB
01:55.49Teneand
01:55.52Tene[ebuild     U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r1 [2.3.3.20040420-r1] -build -debug -debug -erandom -hardened +makecheck -multilib +nls -nptl -pic -userlocales  15,381 kB
01:55.55Tene[ebuild     U ] sys-devel/gettext-0.12.1-r2 [0.12.1] -bootstrap +emacs +nls  5,592 kB
01:55.58Tene[ebuild     U ] dev-libs/glib-2.4.6 [2.4.5] +doc  2,098 kB
01:55.59SpecialKaway whistling the Willian Tell Overture. When you come to a cannon
01:56.01Tene[ebuild     U ] net-im/gaim-1.0.2 [0.82.1] +cjk +crypt -debug -debug -debug -eds +gnutls +nas +nls +perl +silc +spell  0 kB
01:56.04Tene[ebuild     U ] x11-plugins/gaim-encryption-2.32 [2.30] -debug -debug  509 kB
01:56.18SpecialKfun buffer errors
01:56.24beandogI would re-emerge gtk+
01:56.30beandogor emerge -C gaim
01:56.36beandogand emerge -uD gaim
01:57.47Maquis-uD?
01:57.55beandogupgrade deep
01:58.07beandogthat would install glibc gettext and glib tho
01:58.19Maquisah...
01:58.23Maquisman page is good
01:58.25Maquis:)
01:59.27SpecialKsjansen's dead drop suggestions are amusing but not particularly practical when anounced on uug and posted on the web.
01:59.30TeneI'm trying upgrading glibc, gettext, and glib anyway
01:59.36Tenejust to see if that fixes it
01:59.41beandogok
01:59.44beandogglibc is gonna take forever
01:59.59Teneno, it's already done
02:00.08Tenethat is to say, it failed
02:00.23beandogwhered it fail?
02:03.00Teneright after calculating deps
02:03.01Tene!!! ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r1 failed.
02:03.01Tene!!! Function pkg_setup, Line 284, Exitcode 0
02:03.02Tene!!! sandbox breaks make check. either take makecheck out of USE or set FEATURES=-sandbox
02:04.16Teneor I could do USE="-makecheck"
02:06.39beandogoh wow
02:06.41beandogOh
02:06.42beandogUm
02:06.44beandog....
02:06.47hanswow
02:06.50beandogcat /etc/make.conf | grep FEATURES
02:07.10Tenenothing
02:07.22beandogWhats /etc/make.conf say
02:07.26beandogthe full shebang
02:07.54TeneCFLAGS="-O1 -march=pentium3 -fomit-frame-pointer"
02:07.54TeneMAKEOPTS="-j2"
02:07.54TeneCHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
02:07.54TeneCXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
02:07.54TeneGENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp:///ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/gentoo/ http://gentoo.binarycompass.org http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/gentoo/ http://mirrors.tds.net/gentoo"
02:08.04TeneUSE="too much stuff"
02:08.09TeneVIDEO_CARDS="nvidia"
02:08.33beandogWhats USE say
02:09.07TeneI just went through ufed and checked everything that looked interesting
02:09.10TeneUSE="3ds aac acl aim apache2 artswrappersuid async avantgo beep bidi \
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02:10.16beandogWell thats the problem :)
02:10.18beandogTurn off all that junk
02:10.21Teneyeah
02:10.22beandogDont turn on whats interesting
02:10.27beandogJust turn on what you need
02:10.52beandogheres mind:
02:10.55beandogUSE="3dnow aac apache2 audiofile bcmath bmp bzlib cdparanoia curl \
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02:11.08beandogand thats pretty tweaky :)
02:11.17beandogJust use package.use to specify specific use flags for packages
02:11.27beandogif you need em
02:11.49Tenehow would that cause problems for compiling gaim, though?
02:11.59beandogmakecheck is throwing ito ff probably
02:12.08Tene?
02:12.11beandogor it was
02:12.24Tenegaim doesn't even have a makecheck
02:12.25beandogWell Im sure you dont need cjk for one thing, unless you speak chinese
02:12.42Tenebeandog: I tried it with all the useflags turned off
02:12.51beandogYou just dont need all that stuff -- when you tweak Gentoo too much, you just break things
02:12.58beandogI would fix your use flags
02:13.01beandogthen do an emerge -puvD world
02:13.04beandogAnd see what that says
02:13.09beandogPlus that's how I know which USE flags to set
02:13.25beandogby seeing what the packages need / can use
02:13.34beandogBut if you have too many use flags, you install lots of dependencies
02:13.37beandogwhich you'll never use
02:13.48beandogwhich just adds more things that can break on you :)
02:14.34beandogIf you really want to ifx it right, decide on your use flags, and emerge from scratch -- emerge -e world
02:14.38beandogThat will help
02:15.07beandogMy guess is that something pooped somewhere because of some random dependency
02:15.12beandogAnd gaim is just screwy as a result.
02:15.47beandogTrust me -- its easier to start with few use flags, and go back and RE-emerge stuff than it is to start with tons of dependecies and clean them up.
02:16.06Tenehaving bad ram doesn't help things either...
02:16.20Maquisbeandog: or have lots of -flags
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02:16.36beandog-flags?
02:16.41beandogyou mean in CFLAGS or USE
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02:17.06Tenealthough 'emerge -e world' won't get rid of things I don't need anymore...
02:17.11beandogTru
02:17.12beandogTrue
02:17.22beandogBut it will fix the dependencies
02:17.27beandogyou could do emerge --depclean
02:17.31beandogThough I wouldnt recommend it.
02:17.36beandogIt always nets stuff that you do need.
02:17.52beandogemerge --depclean -pv to see what its gonna do, then I'd pick through those and emerge -C manually
02:18.21beandogIf you want to be really gutsy, you can emerge portage 2.0.51.  It has this cool feature where it shows you on emerge -pv which flags were compiled with the program.
02:18.36beandogOr you can emerge gentoolkit and do etcat -u package-name to see the same thing.
02:18.56beandogwhen it works :)
02:19.11TeneI was just told today that 2.0.51 is going stable tonight
02:19.16beandogOh coolies
02:21.02Maquisbeandog: what's the command to see all emerged programs?  i've heard there's something that does that in gentoolkit
02:21.15beandogI just do ls /var/db/pkg/* | less
02:21.18beandogor do qpkg
02:21.21beandogor emerge -epv world
02:21.29Maquisqpkg is the one i've heard of
02:21.34beandogtoo slow
02:21.35Maquisthanks
02:21.40Maquisoh..
02:21.53beandogls is much faster. :)
02:22.34beandogheck, portage is slow.
02:23.33Maquisyeah... it is..
02:23.57beandogsomeday theyll wake up and use a db instead of textfiles ... I hope
02:24.33beandoguntil then, emerge esearch :D
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