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| 01:11.42 | Maquis | goozbach: you actually around? |
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| 01:24.23 | Maquis | question: what does it mean if i own a file, and it won't let me delete it... i tried chmodding the file to 777 to see if that would help, but it still says "Permission Denied" |
| 01:25.54 | h3k | you have to chmod it to 777 as root first |
| 01:26.05 | Maquis | but it chmodded without a problem.. |
| 01:26.08 | h3k | if you don't have write ownership |
| 01:26.10 | h3k | then it wont go through |
| 01:26.10 | Maquis | but i can remove the file as root |
| 01:26.15 | h3k | ls -l <file> |
| 01:26.18 | Maquis | what do you mean by write ownership |
| 01:26.18 | h3k | see what the perms are |
| 01:26.24 | h3k | i mean |
| 01:26.28 | h3k | write permission |
| 01:26.39 | Maquis | -rwxrwxrwx |
| 01:26.46 | byronc | and the ownership? |
| 01:26.47 | h3k | ok |
| 01:26.52 | Maquis | ownership is me |
| 01:27.05 | Maquis | although if i am root, i can delete it fine |
| 01:27.11 | byronc | what kind of filesystem? |
| 01:27.20 | Maquis | ext3 |
| 01:27.23 | Maquis | wait... question |
| 01:27.29 | byronc | selinux or no? |
| 01:27.37 | Maquis | if i got this file from another computer over ssh would that be a problem? |
| 01:27.40 | Maquis | byronc, nope |
| 01:27.59 | byronc | the ssh shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:28.18 | Maquis | ok... just checking |
| 01:28.42 | h3k | you could just remove it as root |
| 01:28.44 | h3k | problem solved |
| 01:28.44 | h3k | :) |
| 01:28.54 | Maquis | yeah... i think that's what i'll do |
| 01:29.01 | Maquis | i was just curious what could cause taht |
| 01:29.06 | h3k | hmmm |
| 01:29.07 | Maquis | because it's an unusual problem |
| 01:29.08 | h3k | what kind of a file was this? |
| 01:29.21 | Maquis | pictures... jpg and bmp |
| 01:29.24 | h3k | and what folder did it end up in? |
| 01:29.27 | Maquis | and a dir with other pictures |
| 01:29.32 | Maquis | what folder? |
| 01:29.35 | h3k | yes |
| 01:29.36 | h3k | home folder |
| 01:29.38 | h3k | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.46 | Maquis | it's in ~/testing/Pics |
| 01:29.48 | byronc | what are the permissions on the directory that it's in? |
| 01:29.49 | h3k | did you chmod the folder? |
| 01:29.53 | Maquis | cd .. |
| 01:30.04 | h3k | chmod 777 -R <folder> |
| 01:30.19 | Maquis | ah.. |
| 01:30.21 | Maquis | that's the problem |
| 01:30.31 | Maquis | why didn't i have write permissions on the folder? |
| 01:30.39 | h3k | i donno |
| 01:30.43 | Maquis | ok.. |
| 01:30.48 | Maquis | well.. .thanks a ton! |
| 01:30.48 | h3k | you can't chmod a folder |
| 01:30.50 | h3k | without -R |
| 01:31.00 | Maquis | now i know what to look for when i have this problem! |
| 01:32.20 | byronc | h3k: umm, you can chmod a directory without the -R, it just won't chmod everything inside it |
| 01:32.33 | h3k | byronc, its just always nice to use the -R |
| 01:32.34 | h3k | :) |
| 01:32.44 | h3k | well not always |
| 01:32.46 | h3k | but in this case |
| 01:34.49 | Maquis | before i do something stupid like start an infinite loop, will i end up with a problem if i try to create a tar and store it inside the folder i'm tarring? |
| 01:35.09 | h3k | Maquis, i wouldn't try that |
| 01:35.09 | h3k | :) |
| 01:35.16 | Maquis | ok... |
| 01:35.23 | h3k | not sure on the results |
| 01:35.28 | Maquis | it would be really convenient, but it does seem potentially troublesome... |
| 01:35.30 | h3k | matters on the order of operations on tar |
| 01:35.40 | h3k | if it tars first to a temp location |
| 01:35.47 | h3k | then copies the archive into the location you specify |
| 01:35.48 | byronc | it would work as long as you did something like 'tar cvf dir/out.tar dir/*' |
| 01:35.48 | h3k | then ya |
| 01:35.51 | h3k | but if it tars on the roll |
| 01:35.57 | byronc | but that's not quite the semantics you want |
| 01:36.14 | Maquis | could be interesting to try at some point on a computer where i wouldn't have to worry about the consequences... |
| 01:36.27 | h3k | it probalby wouldnt do much |
| 01:36.38 | Maquis | byronc, that would be opposed to tar czvf dir/out.tar dir/ ? |
| 01:40.02 | byronc | Maquis: yes, the one you just posted might have troubles |
| 01:40.22 | Maquis | ok.. |
| 01:40.29 | Maquis | cuz that's what i was thinking about... |
| 01:40.45 | Maquis | but looking back at it, i don't think i actually want to add everything to the archive... |
| 01:40.56 | Maquis | so i'm going to do it more manually :) |
| 01:40.57 | byronc | hmm, looks like it works, but you'll get a message like this: tar: mail/backup.tar.gz: file changed as we read it |
| 01:41.13 | Maquis | cool! |
| 01:41.27 | byronc | and that file will be included, so it could really increase the size of your archive |
| 01:41.30 | byronc | bad news |
| 01:41.36 | Maquis | yeah |
| 01:47.32 | byronc | you could use unison or rsync |
| 01:47.44 | Maquis | i'll look into those... :) |
| 01:48.10 | Maquis | I'm going to try to be better about doing backups... :) |
| 01:53.35 | Maquis | byronc, i just looked over man rsync real quick... i didn't see an option in there to only update if the date of the source was newer... do you know off the top of your head whether there's an option for that, or if there are any programs that have that as an option? |
| 01:53.53 | byronc | that's what unison is for |
| 01:54.02 | Maquis | if not, i'm sure it would be scriptable somehow... |
| 01:54.39 | Maquis | oh... |
| 01:54.39 | Maquis | ok.. |
| 01:54.48 | Maquis | i should probably emerge that then :) |
| 01:54.51 | Maquis | thanks :) |
| 02:07.06 | h3k | back |
| 02:50.12 | Maquis | so, my roommate's computer (i think the hard drive) makes loud noises when it's being used |
| 02:50.20 | Maquis | and she doesn't think that that's a problem |
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| 02:51.52 | h3k | hehe |
| 02:52.06 | Maquis | i doubt she backs up her files |
| 02:52.13 | Maquis | and i know who she'll go to if the whole thing dies...... |
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| 05:09.29 | h3k | hmmm |
| 05:09.31 | h3k | looks like a lot of going in and out |
| 05:09.40 | h3k | and a lot of flood |
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| 05:35.43 | Maquis | newsome? |
| 05:35.45 | Maquis | you around? |
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| 05:53.06 | Maquis | newsome? |
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| 06:20.14 | vontrapp | anyone up? |
| 06:20.39 | Maquis | vontrapp, yeah.. what's up? |
| 06:21.47 | vontrapp | just wondering if anyone else can get to the cs computers. |
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| 06:25.11 | vontrapp | ~fish emcnabb |
| 06:25.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps emcnabb around with a large trout |
| 06:26.32 | vontrapp | so is it just me or are the cs computers borked |
| 06:27.25 | Newsome | not sure yet |
| 06:32.30 | Maquis | newsome, the cs dept won't let me login |
| 06:33.06 | vontrapp | Maquis: that's my problem too, and the webserver refuses connections as well |
| 06:33.19 | Maquis | oh... never thought to try that... |
| 06:33.38 | Newsome | so far, all I see is a ton of imap processes on mail/web |
| 06:34.14 | vontrapp | first i thought it was maybe my subnet having problems, but i tried from two other places |
| 06:35.08 | Maquis | i considered the possibility that maybe i had offended one of the sysadmins, but then i figured that they probably wouldn't risk their jobs over something like that (at least i hope they wouldn't....) :) |
| 06:35.57 | vontrapp | j/k, i'm too nice for that |
| 06:38.22 | Maquis | vontrapp, which of those are you serious with? |
| 06:38.31 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:42.45 | Newsome | definitely some sort of authentication problem |
| 06:44.30 | vontrapp | Maquis: not the nice part ;) |
| 06:44.47 | vontrapp | ~lart Maquis |
| 06:44.51 | Maquis | ~lart vontrapp |
| 06:45.21 | Maquis | honestly, i wonder... if the sysadmins weren't afraid of losing their jobs, i might not have a cs account anymore :) |
| 06:45.38 | Maquis | still, i keep it well backed up |
| 06:45.41 | Maquis | just in case :) |
| 06:50.47 | Maquis | ~lart emcnabb for fun |
| 06:51.38 | Newsome | it should be working...is it still not letting you in? |
| 06:52.56 | vontrapp | i'm in |
| 07:01.03 | h3k | ? |
| 07:01.13 | h3k | i'm in |
| 07:01.19 | h3k | why aren't you in? |
| 07:01.29 | h3k | what we talkin about again? |
| 07:01.39 | vontrapp | in a coma |
| 07:01.59 | h3k | :0~ |
| 07:02.09 | vontrapp | h3k: byu's computer sciencs lab computers |
| 07:02.14 | h3k | ahh |
| 07:02.20 | h3k | not working right huh? |
| 07:02.29 | vontrapp | are now, thx to Newsome |
| 07:02.40 | h3k | this late |
| 07:02.43 | h3k | what you guys up to? |
| 07:02.47 | vontrapp | no good |
| 07:02.56 | h3k | ok |
| 07:03.14 | vontrapp | of course, now we have to kill you |
| 07:03.22 | h3k | ok |
| 07:03.26 | vontrapp | ~kill h3k |
| 07:03.28 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse electron gun at h3k |
| 07:03.29 | h3k | brb, gotta take my pill |
| 07:05.55 | Maquis | newsome, i'm in :) |
| 07:05.57 | Maquis | thanks |
| 07:06.01 | Maquis | what was the problem? |
| 07:07.40 | h3k | back |
| 07:07.41 | Newsome | not really sure yet, actually. I think there may have been a kerberos problem that was preventing authentication from working. I restarted a number of related services, and everything seems normal again. |
| 07:07.44 | h3k | ~kill vontrapp |
| 07:07.46 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-proton gun at vontrapp |
| 07:08.00 | Maquis | newsome: cool! |
| 07:09.39 | h3k | kerberos runs usually on port 443 |
| 07:09.46 | h3k | used for authentication |
| 07:09.49 | h3k | its not too bad actually |
| 07:10.36 | Nafai | 443? Isn't that the port for https? |
| 07:10.53 | vontrapp | ok samba fans, i am having no luck at all with the local network here. nmblookups fail, appears to be no MSBROWSE or wins server, some names come up in xsmbrowser, but can't connect |
| 07:11.14 | h3k | 443, maybe i am mixing kerberos up with https |
| 07:11.17 | h3k | can't remember exactly |
| 07:11.23 | vontrapp | ~kerberos |
| 07:11.24 | ibot | i guess kerberos is a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/, or not so well supported in debian, or getting better slowly in debian woody/sid |
| 07:12.51 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:13.02 | Newsome | KDC runs UDP 88 and UDP 750 |
| 07:13.11 | Maquis | wikipedia has a good but slightly confusing explanation |
| 07:13.46 | Maquis | it's good until it tries to show something with security protocol notation... at which point i decided that i'll take the time to understand that section in the morning |
| 07:16.40 | Maquis | haha |
| 07:17.59 | Maquis | gnight all |
| 07:18.05 | vontrapp | night |
| 07:18.11 | vontrapp | ~whaleslap Maquis |
| 07:18.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps Maquis upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 14:55.20 | Maquis | wikipedia's down! how am i supposed to learn anything? |
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| 15:33.04 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
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| 16:05.15 | byronc | is www.lds.org really slow for anyone else? |
| 16:05.54 | spr | lets see... |
| 16:06.09 | spr | yep |
| 16:06.20 | byronc | it's really slow here, makes me glad that ksl streams conference |
| 16:06.24 | spr | slow for what I'm used to. |
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| 16:10.02 | Mecworks | spr, I'm using xmms with http://icecast.ksl.com:8000 |
| 16:11.02 | byronc | that's what I'm using |
| 16:11.16 | spr | Uchdorf and Bednar |
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| 16:11.45 | spr | New apostles. |
| 16:12.05 | vontrapp | i like uchdorf |
| 16:12.08 | byronc | that was quick |
| 16:12.15 | spr | One from the presidency of the 70, other president of Ricks..err..BYUI |
| 16:12.40 | byronc | That's who he is, I knew his name sounded familiar |
| 16:13.22 | spr | Bednar's son was in my freshman ward. |
| 16:13.31 | vontrapp | wow |
| 16:13.32 | AbsolutZero | new temple in Salt Lake Valley, site TBA |
| 16:13.45 | byronc | wow |
| 16:13.51 | AbsolutZero | new temple in ID, too |
| 16:14.04 | AbsolutZero | in Rexburg and Twin Falls |
| 16:14.12 | AbsolutZero | so I guess that's two new in ID |
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| 16:16.00 | spr | Crazy stuff |
| 16:16.02 | mhalcrow | Is there a conference backchannel here? :-) |
| 16:16.05 | spr | there is |
| 16:16.12 | byronc | yep |
| 16:16.16 | AbsolutZero | talking about construction around temple square: improvements and renovations to Tabernacle (seismic improvements specifically mentioned) |
| 16:16.17 | mhalcrow | Bednar's son is in my stake |
| 16:16.25 | mhalcrow | (Round Rock, Texas) |
| 16:16.35 | AbsolutZero | how old is he? doesn't look like more than 55 |
| 16:16.42 | mhalcrow | 24, I think |
| 16:16.42 | AbsolutZero | Bednar the apostle, that is |
| 16:16.46 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 16:17.00 | mhalcrow | He was the president of BYU-Idaho. |
| 16:17.06 | mhalcrow | (the apostle) |
| 16:18.33 | Nafai | mhalcrow: In the single's ward? Or a family ward? |
| 16:18.39 | mhalcrow | Family |
| 16:18.49 | bonez39 | is there a reliable way to tap into and listen to the audio/video streams...once they are made available? does mplayer play them? |
| 16:18.58 | mhalcrow | Well's Branch Ward |
| 16:19.02 | byronc | bonez39: head to www.ksl.org |
| 16:19.07 | mhalcrow | Yes, MPlayer plays them. |
| 16:19.11 | Nafai | mhalcrow: Just wondering if I might know him, since I know people from the Chisolm Trail ward |
| 16:19.11 | mhalcrow | -dumpstream is useful. |
| 16:19.27 | Nafai | Man, I had better just get ready and go to the stake center |
| 16:19.37 | AbsolutZero | mplayer can handle the Windows Media streams if you have the right codecs installed |
| 16:19.44 | Nafai | I'm not having much luck with this |
| 16:20.18 | spr | mm...Conference on mythtv |
| 16:20.41 | mhalcrow | I'm a big proponent of getting a streaming bittorrent-like thing going for conference... |
| 16:20.53 | Nafai | mhalcrow: That would be cool... |
| 16:21.08 | mhalcrow | Maybe a mythtv plugin... |
| 16:23.13 | mhalcrow | My wife wants to know why they made the MoTab men look so spiffy while dressing the women in ugly fuscia. |
| 16:24.08 | mhalcrow | Uchdorf was the area authority over my mission. |
| 16:24.24 | mhalcrow | He came to the mission office once and ringed us all out about how much teaching we were doing. |
| 16:24.30 | AbsolutZero | ask your wife how often the MoTab women get to wear something that doesn't look like it was designed by someone in 1982 |
| 16:24.44 | spr | That was a good year... |
| 16:25.17 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 16:26.17 | hans | I wish my ethernet cable reached to the living room |
| 16:27.24 | mhalcrow | Fry's is selling 802.11g cards for $15. |
| 16:27.36 | hans | that's the sad part. my dsl modem is an AP, but I have no wireless card. |
| 16:28.05 | hans | where's fry's? |
| 16:28.13 | mhalcrow | Austin, Texas. :-/ |
| 16:28.16 | mhalcrow | And in LA. |
| 16:28.28 | hans | right... |
| 16:28.33 | mhalcrow | pricewatch probably has decent mail order deals though. |
| 16:29.23 | mhalcrow | $19 |
| 16:29.31 | mhalcrow | For a pc card. |
| 16:29.36 | hans | well I got openswan working last night. incredibly simple config, incredibly circumlocutory. |
| 16:29.47 | hans | I meant, circumlocutory documentation. |
| 16:29.52 | byronc | spr: prescott... |
| 16:30.02 | mhalcrow | I met the head guy of openswan at OLS. |
| 16:30.13 | mhalcrow | He's a big guy who wears a kilt and refuses to fly. |
| 16:31.03 | spr | I know, so cool. |
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| 16:32.19 | spr | byronc, I'm going there for thanksgiving it looks like. |
| 16:33.39 | byronc | spr: lucky |
| 16:34.11 | spr | It looks like my parents are going to winter down there. |
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| 16:40.22 | mhalcrow | Hi Frank. |
| 16:40.43 | Newsome | hi |
| 16:41.21 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/newplates/ |
| 16:41.26 | emcnabb | here are the new plates on my car |
| 16:41.31 | emcnabb | just put them on today |
| 16:41.40 | vontrapp | where can you get a live stream of different languages? |
| 16:41.48 | byronc | vontrapp: www.lds.org |
| 16:42.07 | vontrapp | i went there, to the cambodian link, but it's not live, started at the beginning |
| 16:42.25 | byronc | oops |
| 16:42.36 | mhalcrow | emcnabb: You are an oracle of geekdom. |
| 16:42.40 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:42.45 | emcnabb | mhalcrow, how's it going? |
| 16:43.06 | mhalcrow | Cryptographic filesystem design and implementation is really, really, really hard. |
| 16:43.23 | mhalcrow | But I'm persisting, with my sanity somewhat intact. |
| 16:43.23 | emcnabb | yeah, I couldn't do it :-) |
| 16:43.43 | mhalcrow | It's morphing into something like "pgpfs". |
| 16:44.08 | emcnabb | if you need any testers, let me know |
| 16:44.26 | mhalcrow | Thanks for the offer. :-) |
| 16:46.08 | bonez39 | byronc: are you sure about that link? |
| 16:46.31 | bonez39 | byronc: you meant www.ksl.com |
| 16:46.47 | byronc | bonez39: yep, that's what I meant |
| 16:47.06 | byronc | byronc: definitely ksl.com |
| 16:47.58 | byronc | frightening, I'm talking to myself on irc |
| 16:49.03 | spr | You know its bad once it goes that far, spr |
| 16:49.09 | spr | uh-oh |
| 16:53.46 | AbsolutZero | okay, everybody stand up and sing along to "we thank the oh god for a prophet" |
| 16:54.47 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 16:55.21 | emcnabb | AbsolutZero, long time no see |
| 16:55.47 | Mecworks | emcnabb, long time no see... |
| 16:55.58 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:58.54 | vontrapp | byronc: bonez39: the only place i can find languages is lds.org |
| 16:58.57 | emcnabb | so I recommended the iRiver H120 (MP3 player) to a friend and he ended up getting one; his wife liked it so much she went out the next day and got one herself |
| 17:00.06 | emcnabb | I'm listening to conference on it right now (radio) |
| 17:02.09 | mhalcrow | Does anyone here use MLS? |
| 17:02.35 | spr | my roommate does. |
| 17:02.53 | spr | even amcnabb |
| 17:03.04 | mhalcrow | FYI, the LDSOSS page has an "MLS Tips, Tricks, and Hacks" wiki section. |
| 17:03.15 | mhalcrow | http://ldsoss.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MLS_Tips,_Tricks,_And_Hacks |
| 17:03.31 | mhalcrow | I got it running under Linux |
| 17:03.40 | mhalcrow | And anyone is welcome to contribute to the wiki |
| 17:05.23 | spr | serbian food is so good. |
| 17:05.37 | emcnabb | spr, what did Andy make today? |
| 17:05.56 | spr | s..umm, heck if can spell it. The sour cabbage stuff. |
| 17:06.16 | emcnabb | well, almost every serbian dish has that :-) |
| 17:06.35 | Mecworks | kimchi? |
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| 17:06.38 | spr | the one that he's been excited about for the past month |
| 17:06.46 | emcnabb | http://www.spymuseum.org/ |
| 17:06.52 | emcnabb | I went here last week |
| 17:06.57 | emcnabb | (Washington DC) |
| 17:06.57 | Mecworks | hm...kimchi is not serbian |
| 17:06.58 | spr | Mecworks, quite different. It's a meat mixture wrapped in a leaf of sour cabbage. |
| 17:07.00 | emcnabb | it's VERY cool |
| 17:07.01 | mhalcrow | I went there last year |
| 17:07.10 | Mecworks | interesting |
| 17:07.18 | mhalcrow | With other students at the Internet Security Research Lab |
| 17:07.26 | emcnabb | nice |
| 17:07.27 | mhalcrow | They have a bunch of enigma simulators. |
| 17:07.30 | Mecworks | I ate a lot of sourkrout in Germany last week |
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| 17:07.45 | emcnabb | Mecworks, how was Brainshare Europe |
| 17:07.45 | emcnabb | ? |
| 17:07.54 | Mecworks | awesome! |
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| 17:08.03 | emcnabb | what did you end up doing there? |
| 17:08.10 | Mecworks | Although I only took one picture on the floor. |
| 17:08.28 | Mecworks | I gave one session on iPrint and manned the booth for the week. |
| 17:08.35 | AbsolutZero | mhalcrow: not having ever been a clerk, when did the church switch from MIS to MLS? and what does the L stand for? |
| 17:08.47 | Mecworks | Lots of other stuff happend tough - too funny to do it justice here... |
| 17:08.48 | mhalcrow | Member and Leader Services (MLS) |
| 17:08.57 | mhalcrow | It's being phased in on a per-stake basis. |
| 17:09.01 | mhalcrow | North America first. |
| 17:09.30 | Mecworks | emcnabb, see http://virtual0.mecworks.com/gallery/Europe2004 |
| 17:09.35 | emcnabb | cool |
| 17:09.51 | AbsolutZero | I noticed it a few weeks ago when I was making copies in our clerk's office in the Clyde building |
| 17:09.52 | Mecworks | the brainshare pic is somewhere in the middle. |
| 17:10.02 | Mecworks | Also a few pics of the SuSE offices near the end. |
| 17:10.43 | Mecworks | I went to the Nurnberg branch for church two weeks ago. |
| 17:10.47 | Mecworks | There's a picture of that too. |
| 17:11.22 | mhalcrow | I love cobblestone streets. |
| 17:11.31 | Mecworks | yea. it was soooo cool. |
| 17:11.51 | mhalcrow | I'd like to make it back to europe next year. |
| 17:12.11 | emcnabb | nice picts |
| 17:12.42 | Mecworks | when did you go last? This was my first time. I've been to asia quite a bit but never had been to Europe before this trip |
| 17:12.46 | Mecworks | emcnabb, thx |
| 17:12.57 | mhalcrow | I was there in February (Italy) |
| 17:13.17 | mhalcrow | http://halcrow.us/gallery/Italy |
| 17:13.22 | Mecworks | cool! My Bro in law served his mission in Italy about 6 years ago |
| 17:13.33 | mhalcrow | I served in Rome from 97-99. |
| 17:15.14 | Mecworks | cool |
| 17:15.49 | Mecworks | Did you know an Elder Mike Nilson? |
| 17:15.59 | mhalcrow | It's more like the "All of Central Italy" mission. |
| 17:16.03 | Mecworks | I'm not sure what mission he was in though |
| 17:16.06 | mhalcrow | Nope; there were four missions at the time. |
| 17:16.30 | mhalcrow | Padova, Catania, Milano, and Roma. |
| 17:16.30 | mhalcrow | Padova was dissolved and merged into Milano and Roma. |
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| 17:17.41 | Mecworks | interesting |
| 17:18.12 | mhalcrow | Not enough missionaries available, and not enough baptisms. |
| 17:18.50 | mhalcrow | My wife just turned off the general conference talk because she's mad at me and doesn't want to forgiv me. |
| 17:18.55 | mhalcrow | +e |
| 17:20.06 | spr | ah, the single life :) |
| 17:21.19 | mhalcrow | She's mad because I make her use windowmaker. |
| 17:21.23 | mhalcrow | :-/ |
| 17:21.29 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:21.45 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 17:21.50 | mhalcrow | But Gnome in Knoppix keeps going back to German. |
| 17:22.04 | mhalcrow | I haven't taken the time to load Debian Sarge on her machine. |
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| 17:23.09 | emcnabb | so I got a ride last week in Washington from a man from Nigeria; at the end of the trip he tried to get me to get involved in a pyramid scheme; later that night I though, this is a true Nigerian Scam |
| 17:23.21 | emcnabb | he was taxi cab driver |
| 17:23.37 | mhalcrow | My wife's brothers are trying to get us involved in a MLM scheme. |
| 17:24.02 | emcnabb | they're so stupid |
| 17:24.24 | mhalcrow | It's one of those "if you don't do it you don't love us" things. Blah. |
| 17:25.12 | AbsolutZero | "we'll show you how much we love you when we still treat you kindly after you totally shoot your future and others' future in the head" |
| 17:25.12 | vontrapp | bah, using love for leverage is not love |
| 17:27.27 | AbsolutZero | The first lines of "Put Your Shoulder To The Wheel" always makes me think of a communist propaganda poster |
| 17:27.41 | mhalcrow | The world has need to willing hands? |
| 17:27.56 | AbsolutZero | ... "who wear the worker's seal" |
| 17:28.00 | mhalcrow | Ah |
| 17:28.10 | mhalcrow | Maybe not communist.... |
| 17:29.06 | AbsolutZero | I see a line of smiling, uniformed factory workers on an assembly line, or a line of happy farmers cutting hay with sickles |
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| 17:31.14 | mhalcrow | I *really* hate pinched nerves |
| 17:31.32 | mhalcrow | I had one in my leg (sciatica) until I stopped wearing a backback and riding a scooter. |
| 17:34.33 | AbsolutZero | has anyone tried xpde lately? |
| 17:37.45 | spr | ah, note taking in LaTeX |
| 17:49.32 | mhalcrow | The stable xpde looks nice, until you actually start clicking on things. |
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| 17:59.17 | mhalcrow | I used to take my notes in LaTeX, back when I cared about what they looked like. |
| 17:59.40 | mhalcrow | I had EMACS key bindings for list control codes and what not. |
| 18:00.10 | AbsolutZero | mhalcrow: what do you mean by that? |
| 18:00.20 | mhalcrow | \begin{list} and what not. |
| 18:00.21 | AbsolutZero | mhalcrow: the xpde comment, that is |
| 18:00.49 | mhalcrow | My wife tried using it, and she couldn't figure out how to make a link to ooffice |
| 18:01.27 | mhalcrow | Then I tried double-clicking on the icons on the desktop, and nothing happened. |
| 18:01.38 | AbsolutZero | okay |
| 18:01.46 | mhalcrow | Then I tried right-clicking on the background to set the screensaver, and it locked up. |
| 18:01.57 | mhalcrow | Basically, nothing other than the start menu works. |
| 18:01.58 | AbsolutZero | I guess I'll emerge kde then and have my roommate use that instead |
| 18:02.46 | mhalcrow | But that was the stable current version; maybe the devel version is more promising. |
| 18:03.46 | AbsolutZero | well, xpde isn't even stable in portage, so I think I'll go with KDE |
| 18:06.13 | mhalcrow | It's lunch time. Y'all be good now, ya hear? |
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| 18:19.42 | Maquis | vontrapp, you speak cambodian? |
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| 18:49.32 | vontrapp | Maquis: yep |
| 18:49.41 | vontrapp | be back in a while |
| 19:04.39 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 19:07.03 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 19:10.56 | byronc | wow, does that mean SpecialK found the marble in the oatmeal? |
| 19:12.41 | emcnabb | you've been watching too much UHF |
| 19:15.08 | SpecialK | mhalcrow: did you know Elder Matt Durazzani in Rome? |
| 19:17.27 | spr | I do believe he quit a while ago SpecialK. |
| 19:17.40 | SpecialK | I was reading through backlog |
| 19:17.49 | SpecialK | I caught his departure |
| 19:17.55 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 19:17.58 | spr | k |
| 19:23.54 | Maquis | ~lart ape |
| 19:23.59 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
| 19:24.10 | spr | ~lart Maquis |
| 19:24.26 | Maquis | spr, did you know that if your left hand is in the wrong spot, your name comes out as ape? |
| 19:24.44 | spr | hm. interesting. |
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| 19:41.01 | Maquis | so, i'm going to assume that my middle school decided to cancel the yearly week-long field trip to the Mt St Helens lava caves... |
| 19:42.28 | Maquis | it's pretty cool to walk through the caves though... you can go in one part of the mountain, and come out at a different part, just walking through the caves formed by the last eruption... |
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| 20:09.35 | spr | Ah, primary songs that I don't know. |
| 20:09.57 | mhalcrow | My wife is the primary chorister in our ward, and she doesn't know any of them either. |
| 20:10.07 | mhalcrow | Some of the kids know the songs better than she does. |
| 20:10.37 | spr | Interesting, my excuse is having never been to primary |
| 20:11.07 | byronc | I much prefer primary to sunday school classes |
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| 20:12.44 | mhalcrow | Note to cameraman: don't zoom in on the girl who isn't singing |
| 20:13.12 | spr | honestly, twice they've done that |
| 20:13.30 | mhalcrow | Is President Hinckley asleep? |
| 20:14.09 | mhalcrow | I think Elder Packer was asleep too at first |
| 20:19.23 | spr | If some opposed a sustaining in the Conference Center, do you think someone would be able to see it? |
| 20:19.57 | mhalcrow | Yeah. But at the level of GA, that person would only be announcing his apostacy. ;-) |
| 20:21.30 | spr | great, ksl is losing audio and video |
| 20:22.16 | spr | and its back |
| 20:23.27 | spr | 30 rods is 485 feet |
| 20:23.46 | mhalcrow | 495 |
| 20:24.16 | spr | sorry mis typed |
| 20:24.24 | spr | easy to do on this keyboard |
| 20:24.47 | vontrapp | you need a big keyboard like mine :) |
| 20:25.01 | mhalcrow | It's hard to find a good keyboard. |
| 20:25.21 | spr | If i had my desktop out here it wouldn't be so bad. |
| 20:25.21 | mhalcrow | I found a great split Logitech wireless keyboard at Fry's last year, but they don't carry it any more. |
| 20:25.39 | spr | I can never get used to those split keyboards |
| 20:25.43 | vontrapp | i found a good ps2 keyboard last year for US$10 |
| 20:25.53 | mhalcrow | As long as you touch-type, it really isn't that hard. |
| 20:26.21 | mhalcrow | A co-worker of mine still uses the old IBM keyboard that clacks loudly when he hits the keys. |
| 20:26.28 | spr | :) |
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| 20:39.16 | xbmodder | ~define file descriptors |
| 20:39.20 | xbmodder | ~file descriptors |
| 20:39.36 | xbmodder | STUPID IBOT! |
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| 20:40.42 | byronc | xbmodder: you might have to teach him that a file descriptor is just an integer that represents an open file (be it a file, socket, fifo, block device, or character device) |
| 20:41.31 | vontrapp | ~dict file descriptor |
| 20:41.50 | xbmodder | ibots down! |
| 20:42.36 | xbmodder | well gpg wants a file descriptor for the password now what? |
| 20:43.46 | spr | ~cookie |
| 20:43.49 | xbmodder | ?!? |
| 20:44.10 | byronc | xbmodder: how are you running gpg? |
| 20:44.16 | xbmodder | can a file descriptoy be /home/xbmodder/passprase |
| 20:44.26 | xbmodder | byronc, well im making a script |
| 20:44.49 | xbmodder | and i want it to sign without having to supply it with a phrase! |
| 20:45.01 | byronc | no, but if you open that file in a program you'll get a file descriptor for it. but it will only be valid while the program is running |
| 20:45.52 | xbmodder | ?!? |
| 20:45.59 | spr | Cool story from Elder Eyring right now. |
| 20:46.12 | xbmodder | where is that file desciptor? |
| 20:46.40 | xbmodder | now what is /home/xbmodder/passphrase |
| 20:46.49 | byronc | xbmodder: it's a file |
| 20:47.11 | xbmodder | so can i file:/home/xbmodder/passphrase as my password? |
| 20:47.20 | byronc | xbmodder: it only gets a file descriptor when a program uses open(2) on it. And it's never guaranteed to be the same value |
| 20:47.35 | byronc | xbmodder: what's the full command you are trying to run? |
| 20:48.24 | xbmodder | echo pass|gpg --clearsign --passphrase-fd 0 |
| 20:48.38 | xbmodder | but then i cant give it a message :/ |
| 20:50.55 | byronc | xbmodder: maybe 'echo pass >&2 | gpg --clearsign --passphrase-fd 2' |
| 20:51.14 | byronc | but if anyone runs ps as that runs they'll see your passphrase |
| 20:51.48 | vontrapp | what is this script for? |
| 20:52.06 | xbmodder | how do i put a message into it? |
| 20:52.07 | vontrapp | wow, good job ibot, thanx |
| 20:52.33 | xbmodder | or can i map a file as a file descriptor so ps wont work? |
| 20:53.02 | hans | ~jargon foo |
| 20:53.03 | ibot | it has been said that jargon foo is /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of metasyntactic variables used in syntax examples. See also bar, baz, qux, quux, corge, grault, garply, waldo, fred, plugh, xyzzy, thud. foo is the ... |
| 20:53.18 | byronc | xbmodder: 'cat passphrasefile >&2 | (gpg --clearsign --passphrase-fd 2 < messagefile)' |
| 20:53.33 | byronc | xbmodder: that might work, but it seems like a _really_ bad idea |
| 20:53.41 | xbmodder | y so |
| 20:53.51 | byronc | you'll have to keep either the script or your passphrase file safe |
| 20:53.58 | byronc | good luck |
| 20:54.08 | xbmodder | thanks |
| 20:54.25 | xbmodder | i think i scared hime away... |
| 20:57.41 | vontrapp | xbmodder: what byronc was saying, just know that with a script with the passphrase like that, it makes your passphrase more vulnerable, make sure nobody can read any file that contains the passphrase |
| 20:57.54 | xbmodder | ok |
| 21:11.46 | xbmodder | um |
| 21:12.56 | xbmodder | lol |
| 21:19.10 | xbmodder | um taht does not work... |
| 21:27.02 | xbmodder | how do i make a file descriptor |
| 21:28.28 | xbmodder | 'cat passphrasefile >&2 | (gpg --clearsign --passphrase-fd 2 < messagefile)' <<<<<DOES NOT WORK? |
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| 21:51.18 | xbmodder | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.25 | xbmodder | vontrapp_, hey! |
| 21:54.54 | vontrapp_ | what? |
| 22:04.50 | Maquis | vontrapp, was your mission cambodian-speaking? |
| 22:05.18 | Maquis | the reason i was asking about your knowing cambodian is that one of my best friends is in cambodia on his mission right now |
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| 23:14.17 | zyler | anyone have ut 2004 that i can download? |
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| 23:26.18 | sjk36 | ~lart Maquis |
| 23:30.44 | SpecialK_ | clear |
| 23:35.02 | SpecialK_ | I suppose 6 o'clock will be deader than other times. |
| 23:42.25 | xbmodder | NOE |
| 23:48.16 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 23:48.27 | Maquis | ibot, that was a stupid lart |
| 23:48.28 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 23:49.34 | SpecialK_ | ~lart Maquis |
| 23:49.48 | SpecialK_ | M$? |
| 23:50.09 | Maquis | ~lart Specialk |
| 23:50.23 | SpecialK_ | ~lart Maquis |
| 23:50.25 | Maquis | ~lart Specialk |
| 23:50.33 | SpecialK_ | ~lart Maquis |
| 23:50.36 | Maquis | ~lart Specialk |
| 23:50.47 | SpecialK_ | I'm allergic to dogs. I wouldn't have a little doggy |
| 23:51.11 | Maquis | ~lart Specialk |
| 23:51.18 | Maquis | ibot! that's not allowed |
| 23:51.22 | Maquis | this is a g-rated channel! |
| 23:51.44 | SpecialK_ | http://reallifecomics.com/daily.php?strip_id=1289 |
| 23:52.13 | SpecialK_ | later |