| 00:32.44 | Maquis | ping? |
| 00:32.45 | Maquis | (byu |
| 00:32.45 | Maquis | s network is having difficulties today) |
| 00:37.08 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.08 | Maquis | traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 216.239.57.147 |
| 00:37.08 | Maquis | traceroute to 216.239.57.147 (216.239.57.147), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 00:37.08 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.08 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.09 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.11 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.13 | Maquis | ... |
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| 01:49.32 | Maquis | ~lart OIT |
| 01:57.49 | byronc | trouble on the campus network? |
| 01:58.28 | Maquis | byronc, that would be an understatement |
| 01:58.54 | Maquis | traceroute has some jumps that are over 4 seconds, getting out of byu's network |
| 02:00.00 | byronc | inbound is flaky too |
| 02:00.06 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 02:00.32 | byronc | make that inbound to oit is flaky |
| 02:00.40 | byronc | www.cs.byu.edu loads instantly |
| 02:00.50 | byronc | it.byu.edu takes _much_ longer |
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| 02:02.08 | beandog | Isnt there some way to alter a postgresql column type? |
| 02:02.09 | Maquis | well... cs.byu.edu works fine |
| 02:02.09 | Maquis | have you tried www.byu.edu? |
| 02:02.09 | Maquis | even from on campus that's been giving me trouble |
| 02:02.09 | Maquis | btw, when down at the bottom of IRC it says "Lag: 83", is that bad? |
| 02:02.11 | beandog | I swear Ive done it before. |
| 02:03.03 | byronc | Maquis: that's bad |
| 02:03.17 | Maquis | byronc, i figured that... |
| 02:04.03 | byronc | beandog: check out "ALTER TABLE" |
| 02:04.11 | Maquis | what does it mean? |
| 02:04.19 | byronc | beandog: but I think you'll have to drop the column and add a new one |
| 02:04.39 | byronc | beandog: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/sql-altertable.html |
| 02:05.15 | beandog | poop. |
| 02:05.59 | beandog | I thought if it was type boolean it could take 0 or 1 |
| 02:06.42 | beandog | It does .. hmm. |
| 02:06.43 | beandog | bleh |
| 02:07.56 | Maquis | beandog, never import from an Access boolean to a SQL Server(or other type) boolean |
| 02:08.10 | Maquis | Access has true = 0 and false = -1 |
| 02:08.22 | beandog | Im converting from MySQL to postgres |
| 02:08.38 | Maquis | when you do an import to SQL Server (like they did at my workplace a long time ago), it just does absolute value |
| 02:08.55 | Maquis | which means that from that point on, you have true=0 and false=1 |
| 02:08.58 | Maquis | which is immensely confusing |
| 02:09.50 | byronc | I bet that makes for some highly maintainable code |
| 02:10.13 | beandog | hee hee |
| 02:10.19 | beandog | that would suck |
| 02:10.57 | Maquis | i eventually got used to the fact that "select * from physicians where active=0" was the way to get all active physicians |
| 02:11.04 | Maquis | but it took a while to remember that |
| 02:13.21 | Maquis | ~lart homework |
| 02:13.43 | Maquis | is ibot dead? |
| 02:14.20 | Maquis | ping? |
| 02:14.23 | Maquis | ibot??? |
| 02:14.49 | Maquis | hey! there you are! |
| 02:15.43 | byronc | ibot did lart your homework |
| 02:16.35 | Maquis | well, it took him over a minute by my clock... :) |
| 02:18.54 | byronc | instantaneous here |
| 02:19.55 | Maquis | wow... how long ago did you write that? |
| 02:20.40 | beandog | me too |
| 02:22.00 | Maquis | so, the logs are going to be really different from what i'm seeing as far as message order |
| 02:22.08 | Maquis | and times |
| 02:22.11 | Maquis | and things like that |
| 02:27.51 | Maquis | hmmm... scheduled byu outages: momentary outage at 7:00 am 9-25 |
| 02:28.07 | Maquis | and out from midnight to 5am sunday night/monday morning... |
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| 02:32.21 | Nexus | beandog, Everything working ok? |
| 02:32.57 | beandog | Converting from MySQL is like pulling teeth |
| 02:33.11 | beandog | But Im not sure if its because Postgres is so strict, or mysql is so lax. :) |
| 02:33.57 | beandog | Oh |
| 02:33.59 | beandog | With the server |
| 02:33.59 | beandog | duh |
| 02:34.00 | beandog | yah |
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| 02:48.55 | Maquis | ping? |
| 02:49.34 | Maquis | Join to #utah was synced in 26 secs |
| 02:51.34 | beandog | 3.3.5 |
| 02:51.36 | beandog | 3.35 |
| 02:51.57 | Maquis | :( |
| 02:52.00 | Nexus | What was that ping all about? |
| 02:52.15 | Maquis | that was me pinging to see if i was reconnected finally |
| 02:53.08 | Maquis | i got disconnected a little bit ago because of the network here |
| 02:53.08 | Nexus | I gotcha. |
| 03:02.17 | Maquis | haha... i just spent 5 minutes loading it.byu.edu |
| 03:02.38 | Maquis | and off on the very side, there's a little "alert" that says "slow access to off-campus sites" |
| 03:43.36 | Newsome | ~lart Embley |
| 03:44.19 | Newsome | hmm, not good enough |
| 03:44.20 | Newsome | ~lart Embley |
| 03:44.24 | Newsome | better |
| 03:45.14 | Maquis | Embley? |
| 03:46.07 | Newsome | yes, the CS prof. |
| 03:46.18 | Maquis | never heard of him |
| 03:46.31 | Maquis | what are you guys doing about the 324 buffer overflow lab? |
| 03:46.36 | Newsome | David Embley. Man without a spine. |
| 03:46.59 | Maquis | did he cause problems? |
| 03:47.18 | Newsome | I believe we have to set up some older machines so that things load in the same region of space |
| 03:47.47 | Maquis | a few machines that support buffer overflows :) |
| 03:47.56 | Newsome | Embley has a machine that got hacked or something, so BYU has taken down the connection. |
| 03:48.15 | Newsome | I've got to go in and disconnect the machine so that we can get our connection back again. |
| 03:48.30 | Maquis | ouch |
| 03:48.33 | Newsome | back in a bit |
| 03:48.36 | Maquis | that stinks |
| 03:48.43 | Newsome | <grumble grumble> |
| 03:51.02 | Maquis | newsome, so was this hacked computer responsible for the network outages? or is that just a coincidence? |
| 03:52.48 | beandog | Isnt there some kind of javascript you can put in html pages so IE has correct png/mng support or something? |
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| 04:03.02 | tensai | everybody's welcome to come over for BBQ ribs. http://joanna.zmonkey.org/~tensai/ribs.jpg |
| 04:03.24 | Maquis | is there going to be cs312 help provided as well? |
| 04:03.50 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:06.36 | Nexus | tensai, Those look really yummy... |
| 04:07.54 | beandog | Ive forgotten what its like to eat real food |
| 04:08.15 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:08.25 | Nexus | My wife makes sure I eat real food. :) |
| 04:08.29 | Nexus | Man she can cook. |
| 04:08.35 | Maquis | ribs.... mmm |
| 04:09.02 | Nexus | Well, I'm off to bed. Can't hardly keep my eyes open. |
| 04:09.07 | Nexus | Have a good night folks. |
| 04:09.16 | Maquis | gnight nexus |
| 04:09.24 | Nexus | Night! |
| 04:09.29 | Maquis | get some extra sleep for those of us who'll be up all night |
| 04:09.36 | Nexus | *laugh* Will do. |
| 04:09.53 | Nexus | I got my degree. I paid my dues. |
| 04:10.03 | Maquis | bah |
| 04:16.14 | tensai | Maquis: I never took 312 so I doubt you'd really want my help |
| 04:16.26 | Maquis | bah... |
| 04:16.37 | Maquis | you know diff eq?? :) |
| 04:17.02 | tensai | heck no. purged that from my brain the day the class was over. |
| 04:17.14 | Maquis | that's what we're doing in 312 |
| 04:17.31 | tensai | what is 312? |
| 04:17.43 | Maquis | "algorithm analysis" |
| 04:18.02 | Maquis | which for some odd reason requires that the few programming projects be completed under the .Net framework... |
| 04:19.30 | tensai | that does sound a little familiar. I'm sure they're just trying to wider your horizons. |
| 04:19.51 | Maquis | true... |
| 04:20.19 | tensai | that's what they said about requiring VC for a few classes. Still wasn't fun. |
| 04:20.37 | Maquis | my classes this term have been beating me down pretty bad... but somehow i'm gonna make it through |
| 04:21.12 | tensai | I almost gave up during my sophomore year. Glad I didn't. |
| 04:21.30 | Maquis | yeah... the thought's crossed my mind a few times this semester... |
| 04:21.44 | Maquis | but i really love programming, even though it comes hard to me |
| 04:21.52 | Maquis | and i don't think i could handle not being in the major... |
| 04:22.02 | tensai | just keep in mind that computers are a lot more fun than professors make them seem |
| 04:22.12 | Maquis | plus, i'm stubborn... :) |
| 04:22.17 | Maquis | yeah... they are |
| 04:22.36 | Maquis | sometimes, it's uug that reminds me of why i love this major... |
| 04:23.16 | tensai | I feel bad that I only discovered UUG right before I graduated |
| 04:23.31 | tensai | only got to go to one meeting |
| 04:23.47 | Maquis | i discovered uug a couple months before i went to my first meeting |
| 04:23.58 | Maquis | i hung around the mailing list for a while |
| 04:24.02 | Maquis | but i didn't really know anybody |
| 04:24.09 | Maquis | so i was kind of intimidated about going |
| 04:24.28 | Maquis | finally made it to one meeting, and it was "Perl Regular Expressions"... |
| 04:24.41 | Maquis | that meeting didn't help much with the intimidation problem |
| 04:24.44 | Maquis | but i came back... |
| 04:25.17 | tensai | yeah, I bet |
| 04:26.32 | Maquis | jayce didn't seem to mind too much that i asked some very basic questions (like "what is a regular expression?" and "what is perl?") |
| 04:30.53 | tensai | wahoo. "My Hero" is on. Best show to come out of England since Monty Python. |
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| 04:57.12 | tensai | Mecworks: Nexus was looking for you again. missed him by an hour. |
| 04:58.41 | Mecworks | hm. bummer. I just got back from a three week trip to Europe. |
| 04:58.59 | tensai | sounds exciting. where'd you go? |
| 04:59.31 | Mecworks | I've been up for over 24 hours now...I'm dizzy and tired. |
| 05:00.04 | Mecworks | Brainshare in Barcelona then to Denmark, Sweeden, Germany (to visit the SuSE offices). |
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| 05:00.28 | Mecworks | THe Denmark and Sweeden were for adventure on the weekend between. |
| 05:00.39 | Mecworks | My first time to Europe...it was cool |
| 05:00.40 | tensai | oh, I figured it was training for the Tour de France. |
| 05:00.45 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 05:00.48 | Mecworks | Yea, I wish... |
| 05:01.31 | tensai | does anybody race with nifty cycles like yours? or are they strictly traditional style? |
| 05:06.44 | Maquis | hi Mecworks! :) |
| 05:11.11 | Maquis | ~lart diff eq |
| 05:11.20 | Maquis | that wasn't a very good lart |
| 05:11.22 | Maquis | ~lart diff eq |
| 05:11.31 | Maquis | ibot, do something mean! |
| 05:11.33 | ibot | ACTION does something mean!. |
| 05:11.33 | Maquis | ~lart diff eq |
| 05:11.44 | Maquis | ~lart diff eq |
| 05:11.55 | Maquis | ibot, you're lame |
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| 05:15.33 | kpettit | good evening |
| 05:16.25 | Maquis | howdy |
| 05:17.38 | kpettit | gotta love the late nights |
| 05:17.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:18.03 | Maquis | last night went til 3 |
| 05:18.09 | Maquis | tonight should be about the same :) |
| 05:18.31 | Maquis | how have yours been? |
| 05:18.39 | kpettit | tonight will be nasty |
| 05:19.07 | kpettit | have to have a proposal done tonight, going to vegas tommorow, and I'm also selling my house so we're packing at the same time |
| 05:19.16 | Maquis | ack! |
| 05:19.21 | Maquis | proposal for? |
| 05:19.24 | Mecworks | Hi Maquis! |
| 05:19.29 | kpettit | php book |
| 05:19.41 | Maquis | wow! that's cool! |
| 05:19.49 | Maquis | mecworks, sounds like you had fun in europe! |
| 05:19.55 | Maquis | welcome back |
| 05:19.57 | kpettit | it'd be cool if they accepted it. |
| 05:19.58 | Mecworks | I'm so tired I'm not thinking strait. It was sooooo fun though! |
| 05:20.03 | Mecworks | thanks |
| 05:20.09 | kpettit | they always find something they want changed. |
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| 05:20.17 | Maquis | kpettit, :) |
| 05:20.47 | kpettit | I put in a proposal to do a Admin LInux desktops type book. I probally went though a dozen different version over the course of a year, and it never went though. |
| 05:20.51 | Maquis | kpettti, do you write books like this often? |
| 05:20.54 | kpettit | Gets really anoying this time. |
| 05:20.57 | Maquis | who do you work for? |
| 05:21.04 | kpettit | I've done a couple, and a ocuple magaize articles |
| 05:21.08 | kpettit | Sento |
| 05:21.19 | kpettit | it's kind of a side thing I do instead of going to school |
| 05:21.25 | Maquis | sento? never heard of them... are they around here? |
| 05:21.35 | kpettit | I could make more money doing a side job at McDonalds but it looks better on a resume |
| 05:21.43 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:21.45 | kpettit | there are in the old Novell park |
| 05:21.49 | kpettit | I'm not kidding either. |
| 05:22.28 | Maquis | yeah... well, you can guess how much i make being a college student... :) |
| 05:22.38 | kpettit | haha. |
| 05:22.52 | Mecworks | There's pics of the old gothic quarter in Barcelona, Sweeden, Denmark and Nurnberg there (again... http://virtual0.mecworks.com/gallery/Europe2004 ) |
| 05:22.54 | kpettit | I gave up on college. Wasnt' crap for IT stuff when I was going |
| 05:23.08 | kpettit | The reson I'm going to vegas tommorow is for a ORacle class though |
| 05:23.10 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 05:23.14 | kpettit | So I'm pretty excited about that |
| 05:23.21 | Maquis | cool!!!!!! |
| 05:23.41 | kpettit | I really like Oracle, it's just so freaking expensive |
| 05:24.05 | Maquis | life is expensive... :( |
| 05:24.15 | kpettit | your telling me |
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| 05:24.22 | kpettit | I think it's more like wife and kids are expensive |
| 05:24.36 | Maquis | ooh... i don't have to worry about any of that stuff yet... |
| 05:24.37 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:25.07 | Nafai | w00t! |
| 05:25.10 | Nafai | USU 31 UNLV 21 |
| 05:25.42 | Maquis | nafai, glad that your football team has something to brag about... :) |
| 05:25.52 | Maquis | ours actually almost won... |
| 05:26.04 | Nafai | Maquis: This week, at least. ;) |
| 05:26.11 | Nafai | yeah, I saw that it was close. |
| 05:26.21 | Nafai | Was it in Boise or Provo? |
| 05:26.22 | Maquis | i feel really bad for matt payne |
| 05:26.37 | Maquis | i haven't the slightest idea where it was |
| 05:26.41 | Maquis | i didn't actually watch |
| 05:36.44 | kpettit | anybody know of any good streaming raido stations? |
| 05:36.58 | kpettit | I'm listening to a local non-profit site but it's starting to suck |
| 05:37.37 | tensai | kpettit: radio paradise |
| 05:37.42 | kpettit | url? |
| 05:37.58 | tensai | don't recall exactly. google for it. |
| 05:38.18 | kpettit | http://www.radioparadise.com/ |
| 05:38.45 | tensai | suppose I should have guessed that |
| 05:39.48 | tensai | I don't listen to the radio much, internet or otherwise. But when I do, they're pretty good. |
| 05:41.14 | kpettit | I think there stream is full right nnow |
| 05:41.39 | kpettit | I'm always listening to music online. XMRaido is supposed to offer a streaming music service hear pretty soon. I'm excited for that. |
| 05:44.37 | Maquis | does anybody here remember basic diff eq??? |
| 05:44.38 | Maquis | please??? |
| 05:45.34 | Nafai | Maquis: Heh. Funny. I took that class 3 years ago. |
| 05:45.44 | Maquis | :'( |
| 05:45.58 | kpettit | that like ummm, math stuff right? hehe |
| 05:46.11 | Nafai | What's your question? |
| 05:46.39 | scott__ | I like kexp.org for radio, it's a station from Seattle |
| 05:46.54 | scott__ | nafai,it was in boise |
| 05:47.03 | kpettit | thanks, checking it out now... |
| 05:47.08 | Maquis | when i'm solving a non-homogeneous equation, for some reason i'm supposed to have (lambda - 2)(lambda - 2)(lambda - 2), instead of just lambda-2, and i don't know why |
| 05:47.16 | Maquis | scott__ what station is it? |
| 05:47.30 | Nafai | scott__: Thanks. |
| 05:47.59 | scott__ | Maquis, 90.3 fm |
| 05:48.04 | scott__ | it has a lot of variety |
| 05:48.21 | Maquis | 90.3... i don't know that one... |
| 05:48.24 | kpettit | www.krcl.org is the local non profit site |
| 05:48.25 | Maquis | i'm from seattle, so i was curious |
| 05:48.32 | kpettit | sometimes it's good and sometimes it's way out there |
| 05:49.09 | kpettit | cool thing is they have ogg and mp3 streams. |
| 05:49.20 | scott__ | Maquis, ever been to WOMAD? |
| 05:49.25 | scott__ | in mary something park |
| 05:49.26 | Nafai | Maquis: Wish I could help |
| 05:49.29 | Maquis | WOMAD??? |
| 05:49.35 | Maquis | nafai, thanks for looking... |
| 05:49.40 | scott__ | world of music art and dance |
| 05:49.54 | Maquis | i think i'll just do what it appears i'm supposed to do, and hope i'm using it correctly... |
| 05:50.10 | Maquis | scott, no... is that at the seattle center? |
| 05:50.10 | scott__ | it's a festival up there in seattle--pretty cool bands go each year |
| 05:50.20 | Maquis | sweet... :) |
| 05:50.23 | scott__ | Maquis, no, mary moore park or something I believe |
| 05:50.26 | Maquis | ok.. |
| 05:50.34 | Maquis | i played lacrosse at marymoore park |
| 05:50.34 | scott__ | I don't remember the name, the park is really well known |
| 05:50.42 | Maquis | (i remember because one of the girls on our team was named mary moore) |
| 05:50.53 | Nafai | I missed the Austin City Limits festival a few weekends ago. :( |
| 05:52.10 | scott__ | seeing http://virtual0.mecworks.com/gallery/Europe2004/p1010053 made me anxious to be out on the puget sound in a cat boat |
| 05:54.32 | Maquis | scott, you from seattle area? |
| 05:55.11 | scott__ | nah, but my family lives there (kirkland, bothel, redmond, poulsbo) |
| 05:57.57 | kpettit | Nafai, where you from? |
| 05:58.04 | scott__ | normally it's considered bad to not vote, but I wonder, if you are completely apathetic to both the candidates, is it wrong to not vote? |
| 05:58.42 | scott__ | is it shirking your civic duty? |
| 05:59.21 | kpettit | In a state where the outcome is guarenteed I don't think it matters all that much |
| 05:59.47 | kpettit | espically with the current system. If it was popular vote I think it would matter more |
| 06:00.06 | Nafai | kpettit: I live in Austin, TX; grew up in Idaho, and just recently moved from Logan, UT to TX |
| 06:00.55 | kpettit | I like Austin. I lived in Killeen texas for awhile (was in the army) and San Antinio. And I was married in Laredo, and I have lots of family from my wifes side in houston |
| 06:01.31 | kpettit | is that the mexico side of laredo? |
| 06:01.32 | Nafai | I've been to Fort Hood, I have a friend who is stationed up there |
| 06:01.37 | scott__ | yeah |
| 06:01.45 | kpettit | That's the biggest US army base in the world |
| 06:01.49 | kpettit | it's freaking huge |
| 06:02.23 | kpettit | I was there for 2 years doing the Army thing. |
| 06:03.36 | Nafai | Yeah, I am starting to really like Austin |
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| 06:04.06 | kpettit | I rememeber that was a good party spot. Went up there a couple times to go clubbing |
| 06:04.37 | kpettit | What's the techie job market like there? |
| 06:05.10 | Nafai | Real good. |
| 06:05.21 | kpettit | better than Utah? |
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| 06:05.40 | kpettit | Utah still seems pretty saturated to me, which makes the pay rate not as good as I've seen elsewhere |
| 06:06.32 | Nafai | I'm not sure how to compare it |
| 06:07.25 | Maquis | scott__ i think that there's an argument for not voting... although, i'm not sure i agree with it |
| 06:08.07 | Maquis | scott__, i'm from everett area... north of seattle... |
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| 07:03.31 | scott__ | Maquis , why don't you agree w/ it? |
| 07:05.35 | Maquis | scott, i'm not sure... in some ways, i think that there's a civic responsibility to be involved in politics... |
| 07:06.08 | Maquis | but at the same time, i think that that goes along with a responsibility to study the issues and make an informed decision and such |
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| 07:08.26 | Maquis | newsome, how'd it go? |
| 07:09.12 | Newsome | Took maybe 2 minutes to disconnect the offending computer and 10 minutes to get back in touch with OIT. Well, that and 15-20 minutes of driving each way. |
| 07:09.24 | Newsome | not too bad |
| 07:09.53 | kpettit | Sounds like you've been having a fun night |
| 07:10.03 | Maquis | is that computer responsible for the byu network dying for 2 hours? or was that just a coincidence? |
| 07:10.31 | Newsome | Yes, that's probably the computer responsible for BYU's network going down. |
| 07:11.12 | Maquis | that's kinda funny on some level... |
| 07:11.15 | Maquis | i'm not sure what level |
| 07:11.28 | Newsome | It's not the first time... |
| 07:11.34 | Maquis | so, how was it hacked? was it a DOS attack or something else? |
| 07:12.28 | Newsome | I'm not sure what happened yet. It was a research lab machine running Fedora Core 2, but it was sending very high-bandwidth traffic to some remote computer. |
| 07:12.41 | Newsome | A bit odd, though, in that it was sending to UDP port 80... |
| 07:12.55 | Maquis | i didn't understand that last comment |
| 07:13.01 | Maquis | UDP port 80??? |
| 07:13.32 | Newsome | Yeah, web traffic is over TCP and to port 80 |
| 07:13.34 | kpettit | game server? |
| 07:13.56 | Maquis | what is UDP??? |
| 07:14.00 | Newsome | UDP traffic has no guarantee of delivery in the same way that TCP does |
| 07:14.29 | Newsome | TCP will retry transmission of packets in order to ensure the packets arrive and in the right order |
| 07:14.38 | Newsome | UDP on the other hand is just 'send and forget' |
| 07:14.39 | Maquis | ok... and UDP doesnt... |
| 07:14.42 | Maquis | ok... |
| 07:14.53 | Maquis | so, what would UDP be used for? |
| 07:15.22 | Maquis | (sorry... if i ask too many questions, just tell me... i'm just curious...) |
| 07:15.40 | Newsome | DNS queries usually go over UDP |
| 07:15.58 | Newsome | just about anything where you don't have to have guaranteed delivery |
| 07:16.11 | Newsome | traffic for online games is often UDP |
| 07:16.18 | Maquis | why would somebody be sending high traffic over UDP though? where would it be going, and what type of info would it be sending? |
| 07:16.28 | kpettit | tons of game servers that run on Linux use UDP |
| 07:16.35 | kpettit | you can pick and choose the port |
| 07:17.00 | kpettit | that would be my first guess, espically on a college network. |
| 07:17.07 | Newsome | if you miss a packet and grab the next one, inside the game, you'll often see a slight skip, but that's it (if the game is designed correctly) |
| 07:17.38 | Maquis | oh... i think i might have read someplace about music and video streams being on a similar type of thing... is that right? |
| 07:18.00 | Newsome | I'd say it was likely, but this particular professor wouldn't normally have students who got into gaming. |
| 07:18.16 | kpettit | I've never done Music or video across UDP. That's not to say somebody isn't doing it |
| 07:18.39 | Newsome | Maquis, yes. realtime streams are sometimes over UDP |
| 07:18.52 | Maquis | ok... |
| 07:18.54 | Newsome | NFS is over UDP |
| 07:18.59 | Maquis | ok... |
| 07:19.02 | Maquis | cool! |
| 07:19.16 | Maquis | this is much more interesting than diff eq... |
| 07:20.06 | Newsome | makes sense |
| 07:20.21 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:22.45 | Maquis | newsome: how could one computer going crazy cause the entire network to have so many problems |
| 07:22.48 | Maquis | ? |
| 07:23.55 | Newsome | all of the traffic was going out through our firewall to BYU's network. The offending computer wasn't behaving nicely, and was using up enough bandwidth that it filled BYU's network pipe |
| 07:25.05 | Maquis | wow! that's rather impressive |
| 07:25.08 | Newsome | Because it was just transmitting as fast as it could, nobody else could get a packet in edgewise |
| 07:25.24 | Maquis | so, when it takes up that much of the pipe, does it then get priority over other requests??? |
| 07:25.43 | Maquis | oh... so it was shouting so loud that the others just couldn't be heard??? |
| 07:26.12 | Newsome | that, and the fact that everyone else was trying to play nicely still :) |
| 07:28.10 | Maquis | ah... |
| 07:28.49 | Newsome | unfortunately, networks are quite a bit more fragile than they should be |
| 07:28.55 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:29.07 | Maquis | thanks for explaining... i don't know much about networks yet |
| 07:29.19 | Maquis | so, i'm just gathering info whenever i see a good opportunity :) |
| 07:30.16 | Newsome | good way to learn |
| 07:30.47 | Maquis | plug/uug/sllug are very helpful for that... |
| 07:31.01 | Maquis | unfortunately, it's generally more interesting than what i should be doing.... :) |
| 07:31.36 | Maquis | btw, is there any way that VS.Net could suddenly just die on the CS dept lab machines so that cs312 doesn't have to be .net-based?// |
| 07:31.39 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:31.57 | Newsome | I wish. |
| 07:32.02 | Maquis | me too.. |
| 07:32.05 | Maquis | i'm in that class right now |
| 07:32.13 | Maquis | oh well... |
| 07:32.22 | Maquis | it's "character-building", right? |
| 07:33.25 | Maquis | anyway, i'm going to finish this one problem, and then go to bed... |
| 07:33.26 | Maquis | gnight all |
| 07:33.59 | Newsome | We spend way more time fixing the Windows machines than the Linux boxes. Wish we could get rid of them completely, but the professors don't seem to think so. |
| 07:34.06 | Maquis | haha |
| 07:34.10 | Maquis | what classes use them? |
| 07:34.23 | Maquis | i know my cs142 class was on windoze, but i know some of the profs do cs142 on linux |
| 07:34.26 | Newsome | 142, 100 |
| 07:34.38 | Maquis | 100 could use a different lab, couldn't they??? |
| 07:34.45 | Maquis | if you could talk 312 out of it.... |
| 07:34.54 | Newsome | well, one professor wanted to do 142 on Linux, but the rest of the professors told him he couldn't |
| 07:34.54 | Maquis | and have dr. barker teach 142... |
| 07:35.08 | Maquis | dr barker did it on linux in winter, didn't he? |
| 07:35.15 | Maquis | i had some friends taking 142 |
| 07:35.16 | Newsome | yes |
| 07:36.07 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 07:37.02 | Maquis | i grew up on macs... switched to a pc for my frosh year of college... and then installed linux 3 months later... |
| 07:37.18 | Maquis | besides that, only used windoze at work for the past 3 summers |
| 07:38.05 | Maquis | almost 2 for me :) |
| 07:38.15 | Maquis | 9 years! that's impressive! |
| 07:38.20 | Maquis | what distro do you run? |
| 07:38.33 | Newsome | Fedora Core usually |
| 07:38.37 | Newsome | I've tried them all, though. |
| 07:38.46 | Maquis | cool! |
| 07:40.59 | Maquis | gnight all |
| 08:23.54 | Nafai | Wow. 9 years. |
| 08:24.07 | Nafai | I first tried Linux about 9 years ago |
| 08:24.28 | Nafai | I have been using steadily for the last 5 1/2 |
| 08:26.37 | Newsome | it was pretty painful for a while. Probably took 2 months to get X running the first time. |
| 08:27.46 | Nafai | It was around 5 years ago that I dumped Windows off of my computer and moved to Debian at the same time. Haven't looked back... |
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