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| 02:44.22 | Mecworks | Orkuts down for the moment |
| 02:44.24 | Mecworks | suck |
| 02:46.36 | caffeineOverlord | not for me it isnt |
| 02:47.22 | Mecworks | hm |
| 02:47.39 | Mecworks | sure nuff. back up |
| 02:48.34 | caffeineOverlord | lol its going up and down for me now |
| 03:04.05 | Mecworks | maybe everyone's done with the weekend and setting down for an evening with Orkut before the week starts. |
| 03:04.16 | Mecworks | stressing the system. |
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| 05:00.05 | Mecworks | Source forge starts charging for subscriptions: http://sourceforge.net/subscribe/ |
| 05:00.24 | Jayce^ | interesting |
| 05:00.32 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, do you know Howard Tayler at novell? |
| 05:00.40 | Mecworks | noppe |
| 05:00.52 | Mecworks | what does he do? |
| 05:00.53 | Tenebram | Isn't that the author of Schlock? |
| 05:01.00 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 05:01.08 | Jayce^ | he does something with groupwise I know |
| 05:01.24 | Jayce^ | always has to travel and talk about it (brainshare, conferences, etc..) |
| 05:01.29 | Jayce^ | not sure of his exact position. |
| 05:01.41 | Jayce^ | but he is also the author of a webcomic that I read |
| 05:01.47 | Jayce^ | short bald guy :) |
| 05:01.55 | Jayce^ | want to get him on orkut now |
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| 13:17.53 | zzzirk | ~slashdot |
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| 14:24.08 | hans | ~lart phoenix |
| 14:24.10 | hans | ~lart firebird |
| 14:24.13 | hans | ~lart firefox |
| 14:24.28 | hans | i liked firebird. it went along with thunderbird. what morons |
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| 14:39.01 | synic | any of you guys live in SLC? |
| 15:02.29 | bonez39 | synic: I am in salt lake...well., sandy..suburb..of salt lake.. |
| 15:02.31 | bonez39 | back in 5 |
| 15:02.39 | bonez39 | have to shovel the snow off the stairs.. |
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| 15:03.24 | Tenebram | I'm in Taylorsville-suburb on the weekends sometimes. |
| 15:04.27 | synic | can you guys recommend a broadband isp up there? I'm moving right downtown today. |
| 15:04.45 | Tenebram | Comcast is decent. |
| 15:06.09 | synic | I guess that's the route I'll go |
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| 15:27.57 | bonez39 | zzzirk: I hear it screams with really fast speed...much higher than with DSL... |
| 15:28.38 | sjansen | http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=2456 - Geek Wives Support Group |
| 15:29.05 | hans | i also hear from comcast's commercials that dishes are no better than antennas and go out at the first sign of a cloud or something. But in vernal nothing short of a downright blizzard has ever stopped their dish from working |
| 15:30.18 | hans | so there's that dilemna, eh? do you go with a company that runs annoying and deceitful ads? of course most companies that run ads do just that, so it's sort of a spiral.......... |
| 15:32.03 | zzzirk | er, that has been my experience |
| 15:32.17 | zzzirk | using the CNet bandwidth meter I just got 2849Kbps down |
| 15:33.36 | hans | oh, I believe it is fast |
| 15:36.21 | synic | Doesn't cable eventually get slow though? I mean, when everyone in their dog in SL gets cable, won't it be really slow? |
| 15:36.56 | synic | (whereas this wouldn't be as true with DSL or something) |
| 15:38.12 | bonez39 | is Yahoo working again with gaim? |
| 15:38.58 | zzzirk | synic: I don't know I haven't had cable long enough to tell |
| 15:39.19 | hans | bonez39: check gaim.sf.net |
| 15:39.24 | zzzirk | but honestly comcast has been working on "upping" our bandwidth and that's the only thing I've seen is it getting faster and faster (as funny as that sounds) |
| 15:39.40 | zzzirk | I clocked in the other day at 4500Kbps during a test |
| 15:39.53 | synic | what's that in KB/s ? |
| 15:40.03 | hans | synic: unless they've made some fundamental changes that's the theoretical idea. neighborhood bandwidth is shared. good thing if more often than not it's underutilized. bad thing if it gets overloaded |
| 15:40.05 | synic | In Orem, I topped out at around 280KB/s |
| 15:40.37 | zzzirk | I regularly experience 200+KB/s downloads |
| 15:41.07 | zzzirk | yes, it is often underutilized |
| 15:43.42 | sjansen | http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/all.html#2/9/04+12:00:00+a |
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| 15:43.53 | sjansen | Miguel's in town. |
| 15:51.13 | bonez39 | hans: thanks.....I applied the patch..still won't connect, but at least gaim doesn't shut down if I try to connect with yahoo |
| 16:00.28 | sjansen | http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=2456 |
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| 18:11.05 | lukfugl | quick question: is there any way to recover a Vim swap file aside from the 'Recover' option while trying to open the file? |
| 18:12.19 | lukfugl | I had an unnamed buffer (from :new) that I was editing when X died on me. I found the swap file (~/.swp) but can't seem to trigger any way of recovering it |
| 18:13.05 | HarleyPig | lukfugl: Have you tried renaming it, then opening a file with the appropriate name? |
| 18:13.13 | lukfugl | yup |
| 18:13.16 | lukfugl | won't trigger |
| 18:13.46 | lukfugl | 'mv .swp .tmp.swp; vim tmp' and tmp opens just fine (0 lines) without asking about the swap file |
| 18:14.26 | findlay | what about 'less .tmp.swp' |
| 18:14.36 | lukfugl | binary data |
| 18:15.17 | lukfugl | tried it with an existing but unimportant file (tmp.pl) and it opened the existing copy fine without asking about the swap file |
| 18:17.47 | Tenebram | try opening a file and killing vim to get it to make a recovery swap file, and then swap that out for the .swp you want to recover? |
| 18:18.09 | lukfugl | I even try this: 1) open tmp.pl, modify it. 2) purposefully kill vim uncleanly. 3) attempt to edit tmp.pl -- it asks about the swap file. 4) cancel and mv .swp .tmp.pl.swp 5) attempt to edit tmp.pl, it opens fine without asking about the swap |
| 18:20.09 | Tenebram | 'mv .swp .tmp.pl.swp' before trying to edit it? |
| 18:20.44 | lukfugl | yeah, that's what I just said (sorry if it's not clear) |
| 18:20.54 | HarleyPig | lukfugl: #vim? |
| 18:21.01 | lukfugl | #vim? |
| 18:21.04 | HarleyPig | They've been helpful to me in the past. |
| 18:21.09 | lukfugl | oh, vim channel. Yeah |
| 18:21.11 | Tenebram | Oh, right, I didn't notice the 'cancel' bit. |
| 18:21.11 | HarleyPig | Channel on this network. |
| 18:21.20 | lukfugl | I'll try that now. Just thought I'd ask here quickly first |
| 18:22.21 | Tenebram | the next thing I would try would be to background vim when it asks you if you want to recover and do the mv then |
| 18:22.51 | lukfugl | hmm, interesting idea. lemme try that |
| 18:26.14 | lukfugl | yay, that worked |
| 18:26.49 | Tenebram | Kind of a hackish solution, but if it works... |
| 18:27.00 | lukfugl | I couldn't suspend (C-z) vim while it was asking, but I simply opened another terminal and did the move there while the prompt was up and it came through |
| 18:27.12 | Tenebram | Yeah, either way. |
| 18:28.05 | lukfugl | Just after I got it to work that way, some dude on #vim told me to use this: vim -r '', and it worked. So I'll remember that for the future -- definitely easier. |
| 18:30.45 | lukfugl | thx for the help |
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| 18:40.41 | neybar_work | anyone know how to close a browser window using javascript that isn't a child of the current window? I am opening up a window when a user first enters our shopping cart, then I want to close it when they are finished ordering. There are three of four pages that the user navigates through before they are finished. |
| 18:41.02 | Jayce^ | not sure it can |
| 18:41.31 | Jayce^ | http://research.microsoft.com/research/allegiance/ |
| 18:41.33 | Jayce^ | interesting |
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| 18:53.13 | brailsmt | re: Jayce^'s links |
| 18:53.49 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:53.53 | HarleyPig | neybar_work: If it's the same window, it should be the same parent. |
| 18:54.57 | HarleyPig | What is Allegiance? |
| 18:55.19 | Jayce^ | a game |
| 18:55.25 | brailsmt | me being the conspiricist that I am, this sounds a little fishy... |
| 18:55.27 | HarleyPig | I gathered that much ... :> |
| 18:56.33 | brailsmt | that web page sounds too giddy and unprofessional... |
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| 19:00.01 | orbit | Forgive me if this has been mentioned previously here, but I just came across this today: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/02/05/siesta.html |
| 19:00.27 | orbit | A mailing list manager that allows each user how they want their Reply-to set. |
| 19:00.48 | orbit | Er "allows each user to choose how", rather. |
| 19:02.16 | Jayce^ | "Of course, rational argument is never something that gets in the way of a good thread and the debate continued" |
| 19:03.28 | orbit | heh |
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| 19:17.10 | HarleyPig | ibot, reply-to is http://siesta.unixbeard.net/ |
| 19:17.18 | | okay, HarleyPig |
| 19:17.45 | HarleyPig | Very nice ... I like the attitude they present in the article too. :> |
| 19:19.22 | HarleyPig | Yak Shaving! I love it. |
| 19:20.17 | HarleyPig | Lurker looks pretty interesting. |
| 19:24.18 | hans | now I have a term (yak shaving) for what happens all too often |
| 19:27.31 | Tenebram | The only problem with using that term is that I'll run out of yaks much too quickly. |
| 19:28.10 | neybar_work | if it wasn't for the yaks, I would be bored at work |
| 19:28.15 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 19:28.28 | Jayce^ | there is work behind the yaks? |
| 19:29.48 | HarleyPig | Well, yeah. By definition. |
| 19:29.56 | hans | hey, if a people has to shave daily, imagine how often you'd have to shave a yak |
| 19:30.07 | HarleyPig | 'if a people' ? |
| 19:30.14 | HarleyPig | And I don't ... :> |
| 19:30.40 | hans | HarleyPig: you'd better make sure your coworkers have a steady supply of yaks |
| 19:30.49 | Jayce^ | you started it! |
| 19:31.06 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 19:31.21 | hans | that's right, a people. person will be sexist tomorrow |
| 19:31.39 | HarleyPig | But ... 'a people' would be racist wouldn't it? |
| 19:32.10 | HarleyPig | 'an entity' would probably be safe ...for awhile anyway. |
| 19:32.35 | HarleyPig | But then, that would be individual biased. Hmmm ... |
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| 19:32.47 | HarleyPig | 'an entity or entities'? |
| 19:33.13 | Jayce^ | but then you are showing a blatant preference towards the singular, by listing them first.... |
| 19:33.41 | HarleyPig | We scared him. |
| 19:33.43 | hans | a stuff |
| 19:33.49 | HarleyPig | 'a thing'? |
| 19:33.51 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig get's booted out of the new liberal order |
| 19:33.58 | hans | thing is singular. stuff is, well, stuff. |
| 19:34.16 | HarleyPig | Oh ... btw, I've got an addition to that mental image y'all love so well. |
| 19:34.28 | HarleyPig | Heard it on the radio this morning. |
| 19:34.29 | Tenebram | but using the article 'a' you are implying a singular. |
| 19:34.38 | brailsmt | ...then ends up rewritting the whole kahakai event handling code... |
| 19:34.39 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:34.48 | HarleyPig | hahahah |
| 19:34.57 | HarleyPig | Ok ... ready for this new mental image? |
| 19:34.59 | hans | the sad part is when you actually have to get stuff done and leave the yaks to grow beards. My yaks are growing beards this week (as soon as I disconnect my irc screen that is) |
| 19:35.06 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 19:35.11 | brailsmt | lol |
| 19:35.32 | brailsmt | disconnect the irc screen, can't bring yourself to close it altogether, huh? |
| 19:35.32 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:35.54 | HarleyPig | Picture me ... in a jock strap ... bouncing on a diving board. |
| 19:35.57 | hans | too much work. c-a d is a lot less typing than /quit |
| 19:36.30 | brailsmt | but cvs at sf.net is a pain... |
| 19:37.28 | brailsmt | is there a reason someone would want to put #includes in a .c(pp,xx,c) file? |
| 19:37.41 | HarleyPig | inexperience |
| 19:37.54 | brailsmt | thank you, that is what i thought... |
| 19:38.33 | brailsmt | I moved all the #includes from .cc files to all the .hh files, and i got somewhere in the neighborhood of 33K errors... |
| 19:38.44 | brailsmt | :( |
| 19:38.50 | HarleyPig | Ouch. |
| 19:38.59 | brailsmt | down to about 300 atm... |
| 19:39.22 | brailsmt | psst, kahakai is full of stuff that needs immediate refactoring... |
| 19:39.33 | HarleyPig | What is kahakai? |
| 19:39.37 | Tenebram | a window manager. |
| 19:39.42 | HarleyPig | Ah. |
| 19:39.42 | Tenebram | A rather nifty one, at that. |
| 19:39.49 | HarleyPig | sourceforge? |
| 19:39.53 | brailsmt | ie, 400 line switch statements that are replaced by a single line if polymorphism is used... |
| 19:40.20 | brailsmt | hence my rewriting of the event handling code... :) |
| 19:40.42 | HarleyPig | ewww ... python support before perl? |
| 19:41.17 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: yeah, i would hold off on adding perl support... I bet somethings change about how you do it, after I am done with my refactoring... |
| 19:41.57 | brailsmt | /home/michael/dev/kahakai/kahakai/src/Style.hh|60| field `font' has incomplete type |
| 19:42.06 | brailsmt | what does that incomplete type error mean? |
| 19:42.33 | HarleyPig | Dunno ... I'm still extrememly new and inexperienced with c/c++ |
| 19:43.00 | brailsmt | i have the Font.hh file #included (KaFont is defined in Font.hh) |
| 19:44.33 | hans | i don't know if I agree with #includes in .c* being taboo |
| 19:44.46 | brailsmt | i bet i ruffle some feathers with my refactoring... |
| 19:44.50 | hans | and I certainly don't agree that doxygen comments belong in .h! they belong in .c* |
| 19:45.07 | brailsmt | hans: in what circumstance would you not want an include in a .hh file? |
| 19:45.12 | hans | .h should be like a reference - concise |
| 19:45.17 | hans | which include? |
| 19:45.25 | brailsmt | #include... |
| 19:45.30 | hans | what about it? |
| 19:45.49 | brailsmt | is there a reason someone would want to put #includes in a .c(pp,xx,c) file? |
| 19:45.53 | hans | let's say I use some math library in the implementation but it has no bearing to the structure of the classes etc. |
| 19:46.05 | hans | you want me to switch files to the .h and #include it from there? I think not. |
| 19:46.46 | hans | then I go pruning later and see this strange library being included and it's not used anywhere in the .h file, so I take it out and now some object file somewhere isn't going to compile. |
| 19:46.48 | brailsmt | ok, but something lke <X11/Xlib.h> for a WM belongs in a .h file... |
| 19:47.04 | hans | well, if you're including the same thing in a lot of places obviously it does |
| 19:47.10 | hans | that's what .h files are for |
| 19:47.27 | hans | for that matter, .h files are no good without #includes in .c* files. :) |
| 19:47.52 | brailsmt | hans, you and i will just have to disagree on the documentation thing :) |
| 19:47.53 | brailsmt | hans: har, har... |
| 19:48.11 | hans | that's ok, since I've already refactored most of your documentation here :) |
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| 19:48.25 | brailsmt | grr... |
| 19:48.55 | brailsmt | doxygen wants the comments in the .h files by default... ie, it works out of the box like that... |
| 19:48.57 | hans | speaking of which, what's that tidbit for /// comments you added to your .vimrc? |
| 19:49.11 | brailsmt | hang on, i will paste it... |
| 19:49.16 | hans | it works out of the box with them in the .cc files too |
| 19:49.46 | brailsmt | set comments=sO:*\ -,mO:*\ \ ,exO:*/,s1:/*,mb:*,ex:*/,bO:///,O:// |
| 19:49.47 | hans | to document the class, you need to do it in the .h file, and I think that's fine (class stuff is a .h-level thing) |
| 19:50.09 | hans | that will help my reformatting the comments to 80 chars so I can read them :) |
| 19:50.44 | brailsmt | i don't understand why ppl insist on 80 chars... why not use more of the screen? :) |
| 19:50.53 | hans | because sometimes it's inconvenient |
| 19:51.02 | hans | it's never inconvenient to read 80 characters |
| 19:51.13 | hans | besides there's the whole width argument that latex is based on |
| 19:51.49 | brailsmt | yeah, but latex is happy with a source file on one line... it'll sitll create good looking docs... |
| 19:51.51 | hans | is that a newline? |
| 19:51.52 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:52.03 | hans | i thought comments were for reading. :) |
| 19:52.06 | brailsmt | where? |
| 19:52.23 | hans | your set comments line is spanning two lines here |
| 19:52.33 | brailsmt | not here... |
| 19:52.33 | hans | ok, it was irssi. |
| 19:52.55 | brailsmt | and I have in ~/.vim/after/ftplugin/c/c.vim |
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| 19:53.03 | brailsmt | i mean i have the set comments line |
| 19:53.04 | hans | yeah, that's where I'm putting it |
| 19:53.14 | brailsmt | ok |
| 19:53.26 | brailsmt | my comments are readable... |
| 19:53.38 | brailsmt | and they make sense... to me at least :) |
| 19:53.51 | brailsmt | probably confuse the heck out of anyone else... :) |
| 19:54.35 | hans | they're quite readable once reformatted to 80 chars :) oh, the other reason is for printing. I like to print things out to read through code and it makes things cleaner there. |
| 19:55.06 | hans | have you done that comments thing as a tip on vim.org yet? it would make a great one. |
| 19:55.13 | brailsmt | yeah, you have a point i hadn't considered with the printing thing... |
| 19:55.24 | brailsmt | hans: no, good idea... |
| 19:55.46 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:56.19 | brailsmt | i just think '///' looks cooler than '/** ... */' |
| 19:56.27 | brailsmt | purely aesthectic :) |
| 19:57.13 | brailsmt | btw, hans you know what the incomplete type error is about in C++? |
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| 19:57.25 | brailsmt | "/home/michael/dev/kahakai/kahakai/src/Style.hh|60| field `font' has incomplete type" |
| 19:58.56 | hans | usually that you predeclared the type but never defined it (from the point of view of the compilation, at least) |
| 19:58.58 | hans | e.g. |
| 19:59.10 | hans | class foo; |
| 19:59.41 | brailsmt | this is dependency hell... |
| 20:01.25 | levi | What're you doing C++ for? |
| 20:04.56 | brailsmt | the kahakai wm |
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| 20:07.34 | brailsmt | anyone have experience at creating a branch in CVS? |
| 20:08.13 | brailsmt | 'cvs tag -b <tag>' is that it? |
| 20:08.26 | orbit | Something like that ;-) |
| 20:09.37 | HarleyPig | brailsmt: yeah, that's it. |
| 20:11.09 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: after creating the branch, do I have to do anything to make sure I am working on the branc and not the main trunk? ie, a check with the tag name... |
| 20:11.22 | brailsmt | or how do i verify that I am working on the branch and not the trunk... |
| 20:11.26 | HarleyPig | Yes. ... Just a second ... it's been awhile. |
| 20:12.08 | HarleyPig | cvs tag -b just creates the branch, you need to check it out in order to do anything with it. |
| 20:12.32 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: ok, thx... |
| 20:12.33 | HarleyPig | cvs co -r <tag> module |
| 20:13.26 | synic | or cvs co -A to get rid of the sticky -r tag if you want to go back to the trunk |
| 20:13.48 | synic | (or cvs update -A |
| 20:13.49 | synic | ) |
| 20:14.21 | HarleyPig | I would do a cvs update -Ap |
| 20:14.31 | HarleyPig | err ... I think it's p ... might be P ... |
| 20:14.59 | synic | what's the -P|p do? |
| 20:15.35 | HarleyPig | prunes directories. |
| 20:16.07 | HarleyPig | That way different directory structure between branches aren't being mixed up. |
| 20:17.12 | HarleyPig | uppercase P. |
| 20:22.01 | synic | HarleyPig: do you know what the most common case of "missing code" in CVS is? For instance, there's been several times when I've coded along all day, commit, come back the next day, update, and my work is all gone. |
| 20:22.16 | synic | It's in the repository if I look around in the RCS files, but... I can't check it out |
| 20:22.43 | Jayce^ | Officemax has 160gb drives for $59 after rebate right now |
| 20:23.13 | synic | geez |
| 20:23.14 | HarleyPig | synic: I haven't heard of that. |
| 20:23.27 | HarleyPig | Oh ... try cvs up -AP |
| 20:23.46 | synic | Jayce^: I don't even know what it is |
| 20:24.08 | HarleyPig | If you're using -r changes will only be made to that tag. |
| 20:24.35 | synic | yeah, I figured it was lost somewhere in one of the branches somehow. |
| 20:24.55 | HarleyPig | You can look at the ,v file and see what branch it thinks its in. |
| 20:25.34 | brailsmt | cvs status <file> does it too |
| 20:26.24 | HarleyPig | Even if you don't have the file checked out? |
| 20:26.51 | synic | blah... I want itunes. All my co-workers are buying the itunes pepsi now. |
| 20:27.08 | HarleyPig | itunes should be boycotted. |
| 20:27.39 | synic | lol |
| 20:27.42 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: i don't know.. :) |
| 20:28.02 | synic | does it run in wine by chance? |
| 20:28.15 | HarleyPig | synic: *shrug* |
| 20:30.50 | synic | looks pretty bleak |
| 20:40.38 | Jayce^ | seems to run on this mac here *snicker* |
| 20:40.46 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 20:41.10 | synic | :) |
| 20:54.40 | levi | I love iTunes. |
| 20:55.03 | levi | Hmm, I should get iTunes Pepsi, too. |
| 20:55.21 | levi | I love my Mac, too. |
| 20:55.27 | Jayce^ | Don't like that style of interface yet.. |
| 20:55.43 | Jayce^ | and no native ogg support.. I have the add-in, but none of the visualizations work |
| 20:55.54 | levi | I never use visualizations. |
| 20:57.41 | levi | My iTunes library is a total mess, though. I imported a bunch of stuff with bad or no tags. |
| 20:58.10 | Jayce^ | I really disklike how by default it copied everything over into it's own dirs.. |
| 20:58.39 | Jayce^ | took a bit to turn that off in earlier versions |
| 20:59.04 | hans | Jayce^: how much are those drives before rebate? |
| 20:59.50 | HarleyPig | What port is ipp on? |
| 21:00.05 | hans | $ grep ipp /etc/services |
| 21:00.05 | hans | ipp 631/tcp # Internet Printing Protocol |
| 21:00.05 | hans | ipp 631/udp # Internet Printing Protocol |
| 21:00.41 | Jayce^ | $179.99 - $50 instant - $50 manufacturer rebate -$20 officemax |
| 21:01.17 | HarleyPig | thanks ... now how do I log in so I can cancel a job? |
| 21:01.39 | Jayce^ | kups has stuff to do that |
| 21:02.15 | hans | HarleyPig: probably root |
| 21:02.20 | HarleyPig | Don't seem to have kups |
| 21:02.21 | hans | unless you set something else up |
| 21:02.30 | HarleyPig | I don't see a login prompt. |
| 21:02.51 | tensai | HarleyPig: http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:03.03 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I'm there, but I don't see a login prompt. |
| 21:03.13 | tensai | manage jobs |
| 21:03.31 | HarleyPig | yep, and when I try to cancel I get client-forbidden. |
| 21:03.42 | HarleyPig | err ... client-error-forbidden. |
| 21:03.53 | hans | HarleyPig: close your browser and start over |
| 21:04.31 | HarleyPig | same thing |
| 21:04.45 | hans | HarleyPig: rm -rf / |
| 21:04.50 | HarleyPig | :P |
| 21:05.25 | tensai | HarleyPig: do you have the lpr emulation utilities installed? try lpq, lprm |
| 21:06.03 | HarleyPig | ah ... ok ... lprm removed the job. |
| 21:07.03 | HarleyPig | Wierd ... control panel printer utility showed no jobs in the q but lpq and another person in the network was seeing a print job with an error. |
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| 21:30.37 | Jayce^ | it's really cool when marsee answers a question on plug :) |
| 21:31.13 | orbit | Definitely. |
| 21:31.52 | synic | who's marsee? |
| 21:32.09 | Jayce^ | user group coordinator for oreilly |
| 21:32.20 | Jayce^ | she's the one who does the book hookups for us all |
| 21:32.28 | synic | nice |
| 21:32.32 | orbit | aka Santa Claus :-) |
| 21:34.18 | Jayce^ | yeah, one time I called her marsee claus... she found that funny |
| 21:42.43 | hans | gah, I'm not in the mood for race conditions :( |
| 21:43.22 | neybar_work | wanna yak to borrow? |
| 21:43.52 | hans | already have some with beards |
| 21:44.11 | hans | but i'm in the critical path :( |
| 21:44.25 | neybar_work | d'oh |
| 21:45.41 | HarleyPig | marsee's on the plug list? |
| 21:45.50 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:46.00 | Jayce^ | she monitors all the groups doing reviews :) |
| 21:46.01 | HarleyPig | very cool. |
| 21:46.23 | Jayce^ | she's mostly watching for us to actually post a ()*@#$#@ review, so we can get more books |
| 21:46.39 | HarleyPig | Umm ... |
| 21:46.51 | hans | i reviewed practical C on the uug website. want me to post it to plug too? |
| 21:46.56 | Jayce^ | of course.. |
| 21:47.12 | orbit | How can she keep up with all that mail? Holy cow. |
| 21:47.13 | Jayce^ | I think she watches uug too though, but it'd be best to post on both lists anyways |
| 21:47.27 | Jayce^ | lotsa filters :) and good threading.. |
| 21:47.31 | orbit | hehe |
| 21:47.56 | Jayce^ | dont' think she follows out threads not dealing with her directly |
| 21:49.22 | tensai | works fine for me in 0.7 |
| 21:49.45 | synic | tensai: just for an example, go to nintendo.com and see how long it takes before firebird locks up |
| 21:50.26 | tensai | just firebird locks up? if it killed my system I'd be quite put out. |
| 21:50.39 | synic | just firebird |
| 21:51.48 | hans | posted |
| 21:51.54 | tensai | start your watches... |
| 21:51.59 | hans | now to class, for a break from race conditions. phew |
| 21:52.05 | hans | that's one yak I can't ignore |
| 21:54.10 | synic | tensai: once you've been there for a while, attempt to surf in another tab, or switch desktops... |
| 21:54.25 | synic | the flash continues, but firebird should be unusable |
| 21:55.41 | brailsmt | i think it is crazy how many times mozilla/firebird/firefox/<whatever-is-next> has changed its name in the last year or so... |
| 21:56.20 | synic | especially since none of the names are any good IMO :) |
| 21:57.20 | tensai | synic: still going fine |
| 21:57.37 | brailsmt | firebird is ok, firefox reminds me of a cheesy clint eastwood movie... |
| 21:57.44 | brailsmt | though the book is much better :) |
| 21:58.22 | synic | tensai: well that's just plain not fair. |
| 21:58.30 | synic | tensai: are you using the gtk2 version? |
| 21:58.49 | tensai | I think. It's the debian version from unstable. |
| 21:59.01 | tensai | it's really eating up CPU but otherwise ok |
| 21:59.02 | synic | that makes it even more not fair. |
| 21:59.53 | synic | maybe it's because I'm on a 500mhz... |
| 22:00.17 | tensai | p3 501.145 Mhz |
| 22:00.59 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:18.47 | HarleyPig | What's happening 3/22? |
| 22:19.44 | Jayce^ | can't say yet.. :) |
| 22:20.00 | Jayce^ | but the LUGs have been trying to get it arranged for a while |
| 22:20.21 | zzzirk | LUGs? |
| 22:20.28 | zzzirk | as in SLLUG and FSLC too? |
| 22:20.32 | orbit | Monday night? |
| 22:21.00 | Jayce^ | zzzirk, yup.. |
| 22:21.22 | Jayce^ | fslc hasn't been participating, but will be invited and will definately want to attend when we get it all confirmed |
| 22:21.29 | zzzirk | heh |
| 22:21.50 | zzzirk | dang, I was gonna ask one of them if THEY knew |
| 22:21.50 | zzzirk | :) |
| 22:23.56 | Jayce^ | they will know when we have a full confirmation |
| 22:34.07 | tensai | since I won't be there :) |
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| 22:55.56 | HarleyPig | LBT? |
| 22:56.16 | HarleyPig | Long Bin Tran? |
| 22:56.32 | HarleyPig | Large Buffet Table? |
| 22:56.38 | HarleyPig | Hey! I could go for that! |
| 22:58.08 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:58.33 | synic | ibot: seen torriem |
| 22:58.44 | | torriem <~torriem@c-67-164-203-109.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 18h 30m 54s ago, saying: 'I'm so excited now that I have 6 friends! Orkut is amazing.'. |
| 22:58.44 | synic | ~seen torriem |
| 22:58.45 | | torriem <~torriem@c-67-164-203-109.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 18h 30m 55s ago, saying: 'I'm so excited now that I have 6 friends! Orkut is amazing.'. |
| 22:58.45 | synic | lame. |
| 22:58.48 | synic | whoa. |
| 22:59.00 | synic | s/lame/lagged/ |
| 22:59.40 | Jayce^ | very |
| 23:23.58 | tensai | HarleyPig: Lettuce Bacon Tomato |
| 23:24.10 | tensai | no wait. I mean Leather Butt Thong |
| 23:24.17 | tensai | but I'd prefer any of the others |
| 23:25.03 | Jayce^ | ok, this is a dumb question, but it's been a long time since I did wiring.. |
| 23:25.12 | Jayce^ | can you do 100mb on 4 wires? |
| 23:29.09 | Bradipo | Yes. |
| 23:29.23 | Bradipo | In fact, it only ever uses two pair. |
| 23:29.36 | Bradipo | The other two are unused. |
| 23:30.17 | Jayce^ | thought so, but wanted confirmation |
| 23:30.33 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 23:30.44 | Jayce^ | got a patch panel that only does the 4 wires, wanted to make sure it did what I wanted |
| 23:31.35 | Bradipo | That's odd. |
| 23:32.54 | Bradipo | But I guess they're saving money. |
| 23:34.16 | levi | Maybe it was for phone over cat5 |
| 23:34.18 | Jayce^ | nah, just really old |
| 23:39.41 | Bradipo | I want a patch panel for my home. |
| 23:39.44 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 23:40.20 | Jayce^ | just got one :) |
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