| 00:05.58 | Jayce^ | interesting.. anybody see the new tools on search.cpan.org? |
| 00:06.14 | Jayce^ | they added a diff and grep to tools you can use on a package4 |
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| 00:14.06 | HarleyPig | Jayce^, yeah, they announced that, umm last week sometime? Not sure when. |
| 00:14.11 | orbit | Nice. |
| 00:20.25 | dmdavis | quit later, everyone |
| 00:20.28 | dmdavis | exit |
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| 00:36.49 | ryanoldham | ibot news |
| 00:39.36 | Jayce^ | lo ryanoldham.. |
| 02:13.47 | emcnabb | so, I'm trying out suse |
| 02:14.11 | emcnabb | where in the install menu is the HD partitioning stuff? |
| 02:14.38 | emcnabb | I need to activate my swap (not much ram) but it won't let me because my hd is not partitioned yet |
| 02:15.22 | emcnabb | it seems like things aren't in the right order |
| 02:19.55 | Tenebram | that does seem rather odd... |
| 02:31.23 | emcnabb | besides that it is great |
| 02:31.37 | emcnabb | I have to use another distro's installer to get it to work |
| 02:31.43 | emcnabb | (to partition that is) |
| 02:54.11 | findlay | Do your comments imply that the installer dosen't let you get to a virtual terminal at all, being indiscriminately limited to the GUI? That would be foolish if so, much less forgivable than just failing to provide fdisk. :) |
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| 03:13.06 | emcnabb | findlay, as far as I can tell you can't |
| 03:13.19 | emcnabb | and there's nothing in the installer as far as I can tell |
| 03:26.44 | hans | blast, did I just miss the state of the union address? |
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| 03:49.07 | adminsmurf | I missed it too, went grocery shopping. |
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| 04:19.10 | mhalcrow | Tomorrow's the big day! ;-) |
| 04:19.33 | emcnabb | second coming? |
| 04:19.40 | mhalcrow | Linux World Expo |
| 04:19.52 | emcnabb | ahhh |
| 04:19.53 | emcnabb | yes |
| 04:19.57 | emcnabb | you going? |
| 04:20.08 | mhalcrow | Nope, but some IBM'ers are, and they've got an announcement. |
| 04:20.35 | emcnabb | really?!?! |
| 04:21.16 | findlay | IBM is forking Linux? |
| 04:22.21 | mhalcrow | Hmmm... forking Linux... never thought about doing that... |
| 04:22.28 | emcnabb | they are buying Microsoft |
| 04:22.29 | mhalcrow | Thanks findlay, I'll get right on it! ;-) |
| 04:22.44 | emcnabb | halux |
| 04:22.47 | emcnabb | I like that name |
| 04:22.57 | mhalcrow | Naw, Microsoft will be more of a liability than an asset in the long term... |
| 04:23.03 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:24.28 | mhalcrow | halcrow.us/exercise |
| 04:24.35 | mhalcrow | Keep me honest, please. :-) |
| 04:24.53 | mhalcrow | I have 7 pounds to go. |
| 04:25.19 | emcnabb | I'm impressed! |
| 04:25.31 | emcnabb | using technology to lose weight! |
| 04:25.48 | mhalcrow | Yup. Involving the Internet community is a great motivator. |
| 04:26.03 | mhalcrow | Now I just need to post those ``Body for Life'' photo's. |
| 04:26.18 | mhalcrow | Except I don't own any speedo's. |
| 04:27.25 | emcnabb | please, don't involve us that much |
| 04:27.27 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 04:27.31 | mhalcrow | :-P |
| 04:28.07 | mhalcrow | It's bed time. I have to wake up tomorrow... and document OpenSSL! Yay!! |
| 04:28.52 | mhalcrow | G'night |
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| 04:39.59 | adminsmurf | Is it just me, everytime I enter a website where the hostname is invalid I get a hosting site instead of 'not found'. |
| 04:47.41 | Jayce^ | I hate that.. |
| 04:47.47 | Jayce^ | usually a domain reseller |
| 04:48.01 | Tenebram | Bah, domain resellers suck. |
| 05:01.16 | adminsmurf | yah, they suck :P |
| 05:02.56 | neybar | ~lart domain resellers |
| 05:07.44 | brailsmt | argh... what command gives me the size of my filesystems... |
| 05:07.59 | adminsmurf | df |
| 05:08.02 | brailsmt | thx |
| 05:20.28 | adminsmurf | My son thinks I'm strange because I'm reading the wc3 spec for css2 |
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| 05:25.17 | adminsmurf | OK I'v RTFM and can't find how to center a table using css, any ideas. |
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| 05:53.26 | Mecworks | anyone know of a long distance provider that does not charge a monthy connection charge? ATT ripps me off of 4.29 every month and I never use them. I use my cell for long distance. |
| 05:56.00 | adminsmurf | Try Qwest, I don't think they charge a service fee. |
| 05:56.14 | adminsmurf | I could be wrong |
| 05:57.12 | Mecworks | Qwest is my local carrier but I didn't think they did long distance. |
| 05:57.14 | Mecworks | hm |
| 05:57.46 | adminsmurf | It seems I remeber getting something in my bill about long distance from Qwest |
| 06:01.46 | Jayce^ | they do also.. |
| 06:02.14 | Jayce^ | all of them have plans, they usually dont' want to sell the cheaper ones though.. make too much off the access fees |
| 07:30.28 | tensai | Mecworks: Qwest does long distance too. You can also get long distance turned completely off. I've done both. |
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| 14:51.40 | hans | the morons at c-span put up last year's state of the union transcript |
| 15:07.05 | emcnabb | haha |
| 15:08.17 | voip | lol |
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| 16:48.51 | bonez39 | hans: I have a nasty virus on my windows box..I just grabbed Norton AntiVirus 2004..and am hoping it will clear this up..any suggestion though, in the mean time? |
| 16:49.06 | bonez39 | I think it came in attached to a web I had visited |
| 16:52.35 | hans | hmm, uninstall windows? ;-) |
| 16:52.47 | hans | AV software is the only solution I know of |
| 16:53.16 | hans | ounce of prevention... keep windows up-to-date |
| 17:00.30 | jakea | there are viruses that require both the AV update and the windows update.... uggg, I forget the name of the recent one |
| 17:00.43 | jakea | blaster |
| 17:03.58 | hans | jakea: so what's your general opinion of enterprise? (I don't get it at my house, i've only seen something like 2 or 3 episodes) |
| 17:04.21 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.37 | hans | i just saved a grad student loads of work by telling him to use cygwin to run some code in windows instead of porting it to VS |
| 17:07.21 | jakea | well, it's definately better than voyager |
| 17:07.41 | jakea | and I think the 3rd season has gone well |
| 17:07.52 | jakea | (remember, you asked, here goes my rant) |
| 17:08.13 | jakea | the problem I see is that "fans" have become splintered on what the think Star Trek is |
| 17:08.42 | jakea | they've also become extremely nitpicky |
| 17:09.01 | jakea | after 30 years of making a show / movies, there are bound to be a few mistakes |
| 17:09.49 | jakea | but these nitpickers go beyond that, they twist the truth and reality to the point where the can find something to *itch about |
| 17:10.01 | jakea | because their only purpose in watchin the show is to complain |
| 17:10.28 | jakea | so there is one problem |
| 17:10.36 | jakea | problem two: it's on UPN |
| 17:11.20 | jakea | UPN doesn't get near the coverage as NBC, ABC, CBS, or the softcore porn network FOX. I dare say that WB gets more coverage |
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| 17:12.17 | jakea | also, TNG and DS9 were not up against these... one time high ratings reality shows that seem to be the craze now |
| 17:12.25 | mrpull | hey all. i've got a fedora machine that insists on using IPV6 even tho i have Networking_ipv6=no set in /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 17:12.31 | mrpull | any hints? |
| 17:12.59 | jakea | so with the combination of that, I feel that the people who complain that the ratings are low are not seeing the whole picture |
| 17:13.16 | jakea | problem 3: Rick Bermen |
| 17:13.47 | jakea | his version of Trek is.... messed. He has done some good stuff, but he need to pass control to some new blood |
| 17:14.52 | jakea | I've discovered that three reason I liked DS9 so much (last half, but the first half was not *that* bad) was because Rick Berman had little control. He was over at voyager, and Ron Moore was overseeing DS9 |
| 17:15.23 | jakea | I like Ron Moore, he's a good writer, he wrote the new battlestar galactica miniseries, I like that |
| 17:16.28 | jakea | hans: it's a long read, but http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/444/444306p1.html?fromint=1 |
| 17:16.54 | jakea | an interview with Ron Moore, it opened my eyes to some things for me (being a die hard fan) |
| 17:18.31 | jakea | but overall, I have enjoyed enterprise. Some eps are good, some are bad. But that was the same with all the series. |
| 17:18.32 | Jayce^ | mrpull, can't think of a reason. |
| 17:18.56 | jakea | I've enjoyed seeing Scott Bakula in a starring role again |
| 17:19.15 | mrpull | dang. i've taken a look at the scripts and they just don't seem to behave like I expect. |
| 17:20.24 | jakea | and I feel the supporting cast has more personality than pretty much all the cast of Voyager. The only person that had any sort of character development on Voyager was the holo doctor, and he was not even "real" |
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| 17:21.44 | jakea | I will agree however, that I think we are "trek-ed out" Star Trek needs to take a 10 year break |
| 17:22.58 | hans | yeah, if nothing else than to give me a chance to buy all the episodes on dvd. :) |
| 17:23.34 | jakea | but Enterprise is a nice change from the garbage that most networks are shelling out these days, but that's just my opinion. Garbage in jake's eyes is any reality TV show, most of the FOX lineup, and all these crime/lawyer/investigates shows |
| 17:23.42 | hans | i didn't mind voyager so much. it had its dips and had a hard time getting started (can't stand kazon episodes nowdays) |
| 17:24.16 | hans | TNG, DS9, vger, tos is my usual order of preference |
| 17:24.41 | jakea | the thing about the kazon was... supposedly they were SOOO unadvanced, yet it took 3 years (seasons) for them to get out of their space. |
| 17:25.03 | Jayce^ | dont' get between me and the simpsons |
| 17:25.03 | jakea | Voyager I felt was just inconsistant with itself |
| 17:25.16 | jakea | I said most, the simpsons still rules |
| 17:25.34 | jakea | seasons 2 and 3 are on there way from amazon as we speak ;) |
| 17:26.01 | jakea | my order of preference is DS9, TNG, ENT, VOY |
| 17:26.05 | jakea | TOS is unique |
| 17:26.28 | jakea | it was made in a totally different era of TV making, so I have hard time placing it |
| 17:26.40 | hans | true. i think my favorite ds9 episode (depending on mood of course) was the tribbles tribute one |
| 17:27.03 | jakea | yes, that was a good one |
| 17:27.08 | hans | ds9 is great for the character development. i don't think any other trek compares |
| 17:27.16 | hans | except maybe data's development on tng |
| 17:27.19 | jakea | my feeling exactly |
| 17:27.40 | jakea | well, with ds9.... ALL the characters developed |
| 17:27.43 | hans | but all the chars on ds9 developed well. i liked the premise and classic feel of tng more than ds9 though, and those are great actors |
| 17:28.02 | hans | stewart, frakes, burton |
| 17:28.17 | hans | spiner and dorn |
| 17:28.26 | jakea | ya, they are all good actors |
| 17:28.39 | hans | ds9 actors got good by the last while, but the tng team was superb by the middle of the second season |
| 17:29.12 | hans | and i prefer exploring to standing your ground and getting beat up :) |
| 17:29.43 | jakea | ya, it's funny.... enterprise bashes will scream "rehash of an old episode" when they can, but half of TNG's first season was rehashes of old "TOS" episodes |
| 17:29.54 | jakea | -bashes +bashers |
| 17:30.22 | hans | long live bzflag |
| 17:30.24 | jakea | or remakes of old storylines of TOS that were never done |
| 17:31.19 | jakea | I think Enterprise has had much better humor than Voyager ever did |
| 17:31.41 | hans | i think I need to grab an antenna and see if I can pick it up off the air |
| 17:32.09 | jakea | anyway, that is the abridged version of my usual rants about Star Trek |
| 17:32.46 | jakea | I have not even got into Nemisis, and how it was suicide for the movie to release 5 DAYS before LotR TT |
| 17:33.13 | hans | indeed. dumbest thing I ever saw. it was pretty good though I think. (only seen it once so far though) |
| 17:33.42 | jakea | I have the DVD, they cut a few things I think they should have left in |
| 17:33.50 | Tenebram | such as? |
| 17:34.02 | jakea | you have the DVD Tenabram? |
| 17:34.47 | jakea | there was a part with data and picard talking after the wedding they should have left in |
| 17:35.19 | jakea | would have made some of the development of the movie make more sense |
| 17:36.07 | hans | maybe we'll rent it this weekend |
| 17:36.21 | Tenebram | Nope, I don't. |
| 17:36.45 | jakea | So, I think Enterprise will go 3 - 4 seasons, that will be about it. Then sci-fi will be dead unless they make something else |
| 17:37.08 | jakea | course, I'm getting excited for Ep III, I sinned last night and read some spoilers |
| 17:37.57 | hans | i'm excited too. hope that kid has taken some acting lessons though |
| 17:40.43 | jakea | lol |
| 17:41.38 | jakea | bad acting is a skywalker family trait |
| 17:41.46 | jakea | at least for the men |
| 17:45.11 | hans | well luke may not have been a great actor, but he was light years ahead of this anakin. and at least he was funny... "I was going to go ..." |
| 17:45.35 | hans | anakin is just dull and lifeless (except when he's angry, and it always sounds like he stubbed his toe) |
| 17:45.51 | hans | and don't forget darth vader was very well played in 4,5,6 |
| 17:46.04 | Tenebram | Maybe he's a better actor then! There are plenty of real people that are dull and lifeless... |
| 17:46.10 | hans | lol |
| 17:46.21 | orbit | Portman was pretty wooden too, I thought. |
| 17:46.37 | Jayce^ | orbit, yeah... but portman... :) |
| 17:46.39 | Jayce^ | mmmm |
| 17:46.47 | hans | yeah, no chemistry. but she's at least pretty :) |
| 17:47.27 | orbit | I think Lucas shoujld stick to action and effects, and leace the love stories to the books... |
| 17:47.36 | orbit | s/leace/leave/ |
| 17:49.06 | tensai | Lucas should have let Spielberg do ep 3 |
| 17:49.13 | orbit | heh |
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| 18:02.23 | Jayce^ | lo adminsmurf.. |
| 18:02.31 | adminsmurf | Does anybody know where I can get a cable for a 802.11b wireless antenna |
| 18:02.32 | Jayce^ | you hear anything about that hardware? |
| 18:02.35 | adminsmurf | Hey Jayce |
| 18:02.50 | Jayce^ | adminsmurf, eg a whole anteanna, or just an extension? |
| 18:02.52 | jakea | my wife likes to point out that it seemed to be difficult for anakin to even kiss Portman. yeesh, what warm blooded american male would not want to a - be in a star wars movie and b - kiss Portman |
| 18:02.59 | adminsmurf | I'll try and get the price set today. |
| 18:03.39 | orbit | I've got a couple of links I can give ya for suppliers: |
| 18:04.09 | orbit | unless you're looking for something in-town... |
| 18:04.24 | adminsmurf | Just the extension, but i'll get a new antenna if it has a longer cable. |
| 18:04.42 | Jayce^ | what's that electrical place 4th south? Codale? |
| 18:04.57 | adminsmurf | I would like it in town. Need to fix a problem at my ceo's house today. |
| 18:05.00 | Jayce^ | 4th in orem, pretty close to you.. right by the freeway |
| 18:05.22 | adminsmurf | Codale might, I'll run by |
| 18:05.23 | bonez39 | any of you use efax.com for sending and receiving faxes? |
| 18:05.39 | Jayce^ | I have an account, but haven't ever really used it |
| 18:06.09 | bonez39 | I have an efax account which works fine in windows...has it's own viewer, but here..if I get a multipage .tif fax file (image) I can only ever view the first page. How do I view a multipage .tif file? |
| 18:06.10 | adminsmurf | I had an efax account but wasn't able to get my faxes on my linux desktop, windows only |
| 18:06.30 | bonez39 | adminsmurf: yeah, that's the challenge.... |
| 18:06.40 | Jayce^ | ditto, I had trouble with that.. |
| 18:06.55 | Jayce^ | they don't acutally use tiff's.. |
| 18:07.03 | Jayce^ | their format is *based* on multipage tiffs |
| 18:07.41 | adminsmurf | efax wants you to use there software, banner ads and all |
| 18:15.29 | bonez39 | adminsmurf: ah, but of course....I'd gladly subject myself to their occasional ads if they had a product that worked under linux too... |
| 18:15.58 | Ryan1 | Does it not work under WINE? |
| 18:16.00 | bonez39 | Jayce^: so you are saying that there's really no such thing as a 'multipage .tif file'? |
| 18:16.12 | bonez39 | Ryan1: I haven't tried their software yet under WINE |
| 18:16.22 | bonez39 | ryan; How would I test it? |
| 18:16.37 | Ryan1 | 1) setup wine. Beyond scope of IRC |
| 18:16.44 | Jayce^ | bonez39, there is, it's a semi-supported extension of tiff.. |
| 18:16.48 | Ryan1 | 2) run setup program (if they have one) under wine |
| 18:16.55 | Ryan1 | that's about it. |
| 18:17.12 | Ryan1 | I run a custom windows Home Automation program under Wine, that does such goofy things as IPX, etc. |
| 18:17.16 | Jayce^ | bonez39, but the efax isn't exactly that.. it's based off it, but has some modifications so it works only through them |
| 18:17.19 | bonez39 | Ryan1: ok.... |
| 18:18.02 | Ryan1 | www.winehq.org |
| 18:18.27 | bonez39 | Jayce^: so it assures a proprietary format.a.dn thus commands loyalty to them....right? I have no complaints in general about my efaxplus account. I would much prefer spending it there..than having another box taking up space on my desk and paying on another telephone line |
| 18:18.34 | dmdavis | Ryan1: what kind of things do you automate in your home? |
| 18:18.44 | Ryan1 | pretty much everything that I can. |
| 18:18.54 | Ryan1 | Lighting, Multi-room Audio, etc. |
| 18:19.03 | Ryan1 | Garage doors, HVAC |
| 18:19.08 | dmdavis | wow |
| 18:19.17 | Ryan1 | other stuff I can't remember now |
| 18:19.21 | Ryan1 | callerID |
| 18:19.26 | bonez39 | Ryan1: I run apt-cache search wine and fine libwine as well as just wine..which do I choose.. |
| 18:19.36 | dmdavis | cool, thanks |
| 18:19.44 | Ryan1 | unknown. I installed in gentoo, but it's been a whiel |
| 18:20.39 | Ryan1 | My boss has run IE under WINE... I have tried a few things, and the one I want to run under wine won't work. MS Streets and Trips |
| 18:21.35 | adminsmurf | bonez39, do you just want to receive or send/receive faxes |
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| 18:27.27 | Ryan1 | bonez: It looks like you'd want wine, as winelib is used to recompile windows apps to work in Linux. |
| 18:33.31 | Jayce^ | pretty good |
| 18:35.09 | brailsmt_ | who is 'the kid'? |
| 18:35.27 | Tenebram | His name is Linux. |
| 18:37.00 | dmdavis | kid in an IBM commercial about linux |
| 18:37.01 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, those ibm commercials that use a kid to represent linux |
| 18:56.23 | bonez39 | admins: I like to both send and receive from my pc... |
| 19:01.03 | bonez39 | admins: If you have some suggestions, I welcome them..here or to drjones@vii.com I'll be back later this afternoon. |
| 19:05.18 | Jayce^ | bonez39, you could set up a fax modem to handle all of it |
| 19:06.27 | bonez39 | Jayce^: true, but the reason I like efax.com is that I can just send and receive it all in my email, instead of dedicating a line to faxing. i have dealt with that before, and don't need or want the extra line expense. |
| 19:06.36 | Jayce^ | right |
| 19:06.49 | bonez39 | no free lunch, I guess..always a drawback to some things like this. |
| 19:06.59 | hans | hmm. cs secretary says I have a package waiting there. I'm not expecting anything... |
| 19:07.03 | hans | maybe it's a free lunch ;-) |
| 19:07.29 | Ryan1 | Our free lunch will be arriving shortly. Pizza, I think. |
| 19:08.18 | bonez39 | hans: wear grubbie clothes to retrieve it..and a few extra coats..maybe it'll go boom when you pick it up.... |
| 19:08.33 | bonez39 | that's morbid to think but ....in this day and age..one has to consider all the options |
| 19:09.42 | hans | maybe I'll just have the cs secretary open it for me. ;) |
| 19:10.46 | hans | well I'm off to get blown up^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmy package |
| 19:13.03 | hans | then again, it's their lunch hour... |
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| 19:23.52 | brailsmt_ | http://www.bash.org/?3936 |
| 19:25.47 | hans | :) |
| 19:26.08 | HarleyPig | http://www.bash.org/?199561 |
| 19:26.58 | brailsmt_ | lol |
| 19:31.39 | Jayce^ | ndeed, Messman thinks open source will become "the dominant model for enterprise software." He emphasized that Novell will "not seek to change the open-source model, but ? will embrace the open-source model. Novell will marry its understanding of enterprise software and open source." |
| 19:32.05 | hans | http://bash.org/?210766 |
| 19:32.44 | neybar_work | lol |
| 19:33.27 | Jayce^ | reading an article on novell and linux, and there is a big mid-page add for 'microsoft server systems' stating that they save 11-25% over linux |
| 19:33.31 | orbit | I didn't get that one until the tune started in my head... |
| 19:33.43 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 19:35.13 | Jayce^ | http://bash.org/?371 |
| 19:39.58 | neybar_work | http://www.bash.org/?33 |
| 19:40.36 | HarleyPig | http://www.bash.org/?2605 |
| 19:40.39 | neybar_work | d'oh! |
| 19:40.50 | brailsmt_ | http://www.bash.org/?127039 |
| 19:40.58 | HarleyPig | ibot needs to be modified to handle bash links. |
| 19:41.00 | | wish i knew, HarleyPig |
| 19:42.29 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, that one rocks |
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| 19:44.29 | hans | that's funny |
| 19:50.40 | neybar_work | I haven't read bash in a while... quite refreshing. I needed a good laugh or 50 |
| 19:58.09 | Bradipo | Is the New York Burrito place any good? |
| 19:59.00 | orbit | I've heard bad things about it. |
| 19:59.15 | orbit | Never been there though. |
| 19:59.15 | Bradipo | I think I'll try that new Greek grill. |
| 19:59.50 | brailsmt_ | http://www.bash.org/?15791 <-- my side hurts now :D |
| 20:01.21 | Jayce^ | http://bash.org/?49843 |
| 20:02.48 | HarleyPig | http://www.bash.org/?52 |
| 20:03.08 | tensai | orbit: lots of vulgar humor |
| 20:03.30 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, I've had that one happen before |
| 20:03.42 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:04.27 | brailsmt_ | http://www.bash.org/?38491 |
| 20:05.00 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html |
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| 20:05.51 | hans | tensai: new york burrito has vulgar humor? |
| 20:05.58 | brailsmt_ | as we are driving into town after 6 years of being in Provo, one of the radio stations is playing a little christmas jingle that they put together... it goes "Joy to the World, except for France..." :) |
| 20:08.11 | brailsmt_ | http://www.bash.org/?74164 <-- best yet :) |
| 20:09.08 | tensai | hans: no, bash.org. Hmmm. Yeah. I need a threaded IRC client. :) |
| 20:11.07 | HarleyPig | That'd be an interesting project ... have to get decent ai going. |
| 20:11.59 | Jayce^ | http://bash.org/?106633 |
| 20:12.51 | dmdavis | http://www.bash.org/?85514 |
| 20:13.23 | Jayce^ | http://bash.org/?47132 <- to go along with emcnabb's posting :) |
| 20:15.16 | emcnabb | Jayce^, haha, that's good |
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| 20:27.01 | hans | :) |
| 20:27.09 | sjansen | :-P |
| 20:27.56 | hans | multiplayer notepad :) |
| 20:28.26 | brailsmt_ | yeah, i liked that one :) |
| 20:36.13 | neybar_work | how many of use just wasted the last hour reading bash.org? |
| 20:36.20 | neybar_work | s/use/us/ |
| 20:36.22 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 20:36.45 | HarleyPig | heh ... I read it every time it's updated so I only wasted about 15 minutes looking up random quotes. :P |
| 20:39.48 | hans | i would have if there were some kind of filter. I'll leave it up to you guys to be filters |
| 20:40.23 | HarleyPig | proxy it :> |
| 20:40.40 | hans | c-span: "thank you for being attentive" |
| 20:41.27 | HarleyPig | I mean ... run it through your own filter ... star out words you don't want to see. |
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| 21:21.51 | Ryan1 | probably because it redirects to a .nl domain. Someone probably just said "well, a lot of these types of sites are on .nl, we'll just ban 'em all" |
| 21:30.42 | HarleyPig | Now I feel old. I remember when japhy was a 16 yr old perl newb, trying to understand all the ins and outs of perl. Now he's well known in the community, in college and engaged. *sigh* |
| 21:31.03 | Jayce^ | lol.. where'd you see that? |
| 21:31.09 | HarleyPig | on #perl |
| 21:31.11 | Jayce^ | good old japhy |
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| 22:16.38 | dmdavis_ | ahh, apparently I'm still connected. :) |
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| 22:31.30 | neybar_work | respect mah authoritah! stupid psql isn't using less for my pager... I hate more. |
| 22:31.44 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 22:38.14 | Ryan1 | you hate more more? |
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| 22:56.41 | Hanuman_ | Good afternoon guys |
| 22:57.42 | Hanuman | hmmm...pageup doesn't get sent through the terminal in OSX |
| 23:28.07 | tensai | Hanuman: try typing it out: P-A-G-E-U-P |
| 23:32.26 | Hanuman | ~whaleslap tensai |
| 23:32.30 | | ACTION slaps tensai upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:32.44 | Hanuman | hmmm...can the bagle worm forge the from address? |
| 23:33.06 | Hanuman | I got a return e-mail from Charles Curley saying I sent him the bagle worm |
| 23:33.31 | Hanuman | thing is my antivirus program should have stopped it, and I don't just open attachments |
| 23:33.38 | tensai | Hanuman: I think it does |
| 23:33.56 | Hanuman | hmmm...wonder if it was someone from my network or someone else on plug |
| 23:35.40 | tensai | yes, it indeed does spoof the return address |
| 23:36.07 | Hanuman | is there a way to tell the original sender from the mail headers? |
| 23:36.55 | tensai | more or less. you can trace the mail servers back to the origin. sometimes that doesn't tell you the person, just the server they use |
| 23:37.32 | Hanuman | I'm trying to make sure noone on our network has it |
| 23:38.23 | tensai | you'd need charles to send you the full headers of the virus infected email |
| 23:42.45 | Hanuman | received from 62.194.87.76 |
| 23:43.07 | Hanuman | what's the best way to tell the location of that IP? |
| 23:43.59 | tensai | whois |
| 23:44.19 | Hanuman | what does this mean: |
| 23:44.38 | Hanuman | helo=usny-test-xp |
| 23:45.09 | tensai | helo is the greeting command in SMTP. It takes a paramter, the host name of the client |
| 23:45.24 | tensai | so the client computer thinks his name is usny-test-xp |
| 23:45.40 | Hanuman | hmm...that IP is in Amsterdam |
| 23:45.57 | tensai | is that where your interview was today? :) |
| 23:46.18 | Hanuman | why would someone in Amsterdam have both my email and Charles's e-mail? |
| 23:46.35 | Tenebram | it's your secret Amsterdam stalker? |
| 23:46.54 | Hanuman | guess so |
| 23:47.06 | Tenebram | or just being routed through there? |
| 23:47.27 | Hanuman | yeah - that's weird though |
| 23:47.27 | tensai | ah. the weird thing about Bagle is that it doesn't just use email addresses from your address book |
| 23:47.41 | tensai | it searches the hard drive for all HTML files and uses email addresses from those too |
| 23:48.10 | tensai | so it could just be somebody who looked at the plug mailing list archives |
| 23:48.59 | tensai | I got mail from a bunch of freaks when I posted that return of the king show. I think they thought it was the actual movie. |
| 23:49.07 | tensai | so it's probably my fault :) |
| 23:49.07 | Hanuman | hmm...so a cache from google could even do it |
| 23:49.40 | tensai | yeah, the possibilities are endless |
| 23:50.04 | Hanuman | dumb windows users... |
| 23:50.48 | tensai | Bagle only works if you run the attached executable, so you're right in a sense. Either dumb or uninformed. |
| 23:52.56 | Hanuman | guess one more reason not to have auto-replies for viruses or spam |
| 23:53.27 | tensai | auto replies for viruses or spam are evil |
| 23:56.03 | Hanuman | well, they're good, but because of the evil worms like this they don't work, and therefore they are evil |
| 23:56.13 | Hanuman | :) |