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| 00:19.49 | bonez39 | welcome Hans.. |
| 00:20.10 | hans | gratzi |
| 00:20.11 | Tenebram | HANS! |
| 00:20.21 | hans | tensai: mmmm, sounds delicious |
| 00:23.02 | brailsmt | anyone have a clue how xnest works? |
| 00:23.29 | brailsmt | because i don't... |
| 00:23.32 | brailsmt | i thought i did... |
| 00:23.33 | Tenebram | I used to be able to get it to work, brailsmt. |
| 00:23.52 | Tenebram | but now I get the same problem you do. |
| 00:33.24 | tensai | hans: it was. I have some pictures I'll upload tonight. The crust took longer to bake so it wasn't as crispy as normal dough. |
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| 02:59.56 | emcnabb | I finally figured out why I was having that weird wrapping problem in bash |
| 03:00.15 | emcnabb | it turns out my $PS1 var was not right |
| 03:04.17 | Tenebram | What was wrong with it? |
| 03:05.26 | emcnabb | I really don't know :-) |
| 03:05.40 | emcnabb | I finally hacked it until it worked |
| 03:05.43 | emcnabb | it's now: |
| 03:05.54 | emcnabb | PS1='\[\033[01; \[\033[31m\]\u@\h:\[\033[ \[\033[34m\]\w \[\033[00m\]] ' |
| 03:05.58 | emcnabb | and it works |
| 03:05.59 | emcnabb | so I'm happy |
| 03:29.05 | emcnabb | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ |
| 03:29.08 | emcnabb | THIS IS GREAT |
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| 04:02.15 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, pass that on to the LUG's :) |
| 04:04.00 | emcnabb | Stuart just posted it to the UUG |
| 04:04.05 | emcnabb | I just replied :-) |
| 04:04.26 | Jayce^ | hehe.. send it to plug too :) |
| 04:04.31 | Jayce^ | less single folk, but still some.. |
| 04:04.37 | Jayce^ | and even less girls who attend |
| 04:04.49 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 04:06.39 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 04:08.16 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you guys will have a projector right? you know what resolution it handles? |
| 04:08.26 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:08.29 | Jayce^ | think I might try using keynote for my presentation.. give it a try |
| 04:08.48 | emcnabb | I know it does 1024x768 |
| 04:09.03 | Jayce^ | k, that's perfect |
| 04:09.09 | emcnabb | not sure about higher |
| 04:09.45 | Jayce^ | that's ok, I can't do more than that.. |
| 04:09.49 | Jayce^ | little old mac |
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| 04:12.56 | emcnabb | well, that's what my laptop does, but it is a small one |
| 04:25.52 | emcnabb | Jayce^, you probably want to change the Topic on the channel |
| 04:34.51 | voip | i missed the meeting again :/ |
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| 14:34.05 | Hanuman | good morning |
| 15:03.39 | Hanuman | so, what's the political discussion of the morning? ;-) |
| 15:06.23 | brailsmt | the usual, SCO sucks... |
| 15:06.32 | brailsmt | Kerry won the Hawkeye Cauci |
| 15:06.46 | brailsmt | and nobody cares... |
| 15:06.47 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:07.04 | brailsmt | i still am not employed... |
| 15:08.21 | brailsmt | and my gel wrist rest has a big hole in it... |
| 15:12.08 | brailsmt | and Xnest is being retarded... |
| 15:13.37 | Hanuman | brailsmt: what are your skills (as far as employment)? |
| 15:15.00 | brailsmt | I am multi-talented :) |
| 15:15.21 | brailsmt | C/C++, Java, Linux, Unix, etc... |
| 15:18.06 | Hanuman | hmmm...most of the jobs I've been looking at have been Perl-centric so I may not be able to help - I'll let you know if I see anything |
| 15:18.20 | brailsmt | well, I can know perl too... :) |
| 15:18.29 | brailsmt | depending on who asks :) |
| 15:18.38 | Hanuman | Do you know perlex? |
| 15:18.49 | Hanuman | (an equivalent to mod_perl on Windows) |
| 15:18.52 | brailsmt | not yet... but i can :) |
| 15:18.56 | Hanuman | :) |
| 15:19.40 | Hanuman | I'm interviewing w/ a company up there that needs cross-platform perl support, but it is contract-to-hire, so I'm not quite sure I want to take the chance of moving all the way up there and not getting hired |
| 15:20.06 | Hanuman | so if I turn them down I'd love to have people to refer to them |
| 15:20.17 | brailsmt | is it in utah? |
| 15:20.26 | brailsmt | i am not interested in living in utah... |
| 15:20.33 | Hanuman | Yeah - Weston Cerny works for them - Navitaire |
| 15:20.43 | brailsmt | been there, done that, not impressed... |
| 15:20.47 | Hanuman | they are worldwide, but their reservations system is based in Utah |
| 15:20.56 | Hanuman | brailsmt: with Navitaire? |
| 15:21.07 | brailsmt | Utah |
| 15:21.17 | Hanuman | oh - that's right - you're in KY now |
| 15:21.23 | brailsmt | lol... |
| 15:21.27 | brailsmt | KC |
| 15:21.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:21.31 | Hanuman | sorry - MO |
| 15:21.33 | brailsmt | KC, MO |
| 15:21.40 | Hanuman | got one letter off |
| 15:21.56 | Hanuman | I drive through KY too to get here so I confuse the 2 sometimes |
| 15:22.23 | brailsmt | most ppl assume i live in Kansas, since I live in Kansas City... |
| 15:22.31 | Hanuman | yeah - I know that's not the case |
| 15:22.34 | brailsmt | that is a simply crazy assumption to make... |
| 15:22.36 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:22.40 | brailsmt | i mean come on... |
| 15:22.51 | Hanuman | although I did ask twice driving through for the first time |
| 15:23.06 | Hanuman | "wait - I thought this was in Kansas!" |
| 15:23.08 | brailsmt | there is a Kansas City, Kansas... |
| 15:23.31 | brailsmt | but the Chiefs, Royals, etc are in KCMO |
| 15:23.41 | Hanuman | hmm...there are probably several jobs in St Louis I'm guessing |
| 15:23.57 | brailsmt | yeah there are... i have applied to a bunch |
| 15:24.15 | Hanuman | I applied to a couple there awhile back |
| 15:24.35 | Hanuman | My wife has a favorite Aunt that lives 2 hours North of St Louis in Illinois |
| 15:24.38 | brailsmt | why are ppl so stupid? SCOX is up $.30... |
| 15:24.50 | Hanuman | wish I invested |
| 15:24.52 | brailsmt | Hanuman: then she lives close to nauvoo |
| 15:25.02 | Hanuman | I'd probably sell sometime soon, though |
| 15:25.11 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I think she's still about 4 hours from nauvoo |
| 15:25.51 | Hanuman | maybe 2 |
| 15:26.16 | Hanuman | But I do have ancestors that lived in Iowa, across the border from Nauvoo |
| 15:28.00 | Hanuman | Anyone feel like they were watching WWF when they saw Dean's speech last night? (speaking of Iowa) |
| 15:28.32 | brailsmt | i must admit, I don't really care about the iowa cuaci... |
| 15:28.40 | Hanuman | poor guy - everyone picks on him |
| 15:28.58 | Hanuman | I don't either, but for some reason I can't avoid it on the news |
| 15:29.06 | brailsmt | i can't really see any of the current democratic candidates beating Bush... |
| 15:29.18 | Hanuman | They are acting like it was the final election |
| 15:29.25 | Hanuman | I agree |
| 15:29.34 | brailsmt | for some of them, it might be... :) |
| 15:29.42 | Hanuman | lol |
| 15:30.31 | Hanuman | I think Clarke (sp?) could have a chance but not much of one. |
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| 15:32.21 | brailsmt | clarke had much better chances until he said that he has never supported the war in Iraq... |
| 15:32.49 | brailsmt | when he has so recently been very pro-war-in-Iraq in public... |
| 15:33.09 | brailsmt | including in a sworn testimony before the Armed Services Committee... |
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| 15:38.49 | Hanuman | brailsmt: oh yeah, but being a former Reagan and Bush supporter himself he comes closest to the middle out of all the candidates |
| 15:38.56 | Hanuman | I still don't think he could win though |
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| 16:33.19 | Hanuman | welcome everybody |
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| 17:39.32 | dmdavis | hello |
| 17:39.39 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 17:41.56 | brailsmt | i hate writing cover letters... |
| 17:42.26 | brailsmt | in general I am not a good salesman... |
| 17:52.24 | Hanuman | I'm getting worse and worse I think |
| 17:52.42 | Hanuman | I hate customizing resumes |
| 17:53.32 | Hanuman | I hate interviewing |
| 17:53.58 | Hanuman | I like programming |
| 17:54.12 | Hanuman | So I guess if I could program my resume and interview I would be set |
| 17:55.12 | Hanuman | They could write me a program to invite me to the interview, and my program would interact with their program to perform the interview |
| 17:56.22 | dmdavis | we should have someone who's good at cover letters, resumes and interviews give a PLUG meeting. or a few |
| 17:56.30 | Hanuman | if ($applicant->{'Jesse'} eq q{qualified}) { |
| 17:56.42 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.48 | Hanuman | } |
| 17:57.51 | Hanuman | dmdavis: better yet, have all the managers in the group who are on the hiring/interviewing end tell what they look for in an applicant and what looks good to them |
| 17:58.22 | Jayce^ | dmdavis, thayne gave a presentation (last year was it) on automated resume's |
| 17:58.24 | Hanuman | I don't like to trust resume "experts" unless they have hired recently in the field I am applying for |
| 18:00.49 | Hanuman | ~lart smgl |
| 18:00.56 | Hanuman | :-p |
| 18:01.13 | Jayce^ | source distro on a handheld... hrmm |
| 18:01.52 | dmdavis | Hanuman: how about been hired? |
| 18:02.19 | dmdavis | Jayce^: It may be good to have another meeting. There may be people now who now see the need. :) |
| 18:02.30 | Hanuman | been hired is a plus, but I want to know from the people actually doing the hiring - they would seem to give the most info IMO |
| 18:02.42 | dmdavis | true |
| 18:03.02 | Hanuman | Of course I wouldn't be able to attend the mtg anyway so my opinion doesn't count |
| 18:03.10 | Hanuman | I just like to express my opinions |
| 18:03.16 | Jayce^ | like we ever care about your opinion Hanuman |
| 18:03.30 | Hanuman | Jayce^: like I care if anyone cares :-p |
| 18:04.24 | Hanuman | :) |
| 18:05.18 | Hanuman | I hate searching for jobs when currently employed. I like my current job and knowing that I may have to give them 2 weeks notice shortly is driving me nuts. |
| 18:05.28 | Hanuman | I have so much to do |
| 18:06.14 | dmdavis | why are you looking for work? |
| 18:06.22 | Hanuman | need more pay, better benefits |
| 18:06.30 | Hanuman | moving to Utah is a plus |
| 18:07.02 | dmdavis | so you can come to plug meetings. :) |
| 18:07.04 | Hanuman | I'm sort of in a dead-end position here that won't get any higher in pay - I was making $10k more in my last job so I know I'm worth more than I'm being paid currently |
| 18:07.12 | Hanuman | dmdavis: yes, exactly |
| 18:08.16 | Hanuman | I have a feeling I'll end up staying in Richmond, though. We'll see... |
| 18:08.29 | dmdavis | You're in Virginia? |
| 18:08.38 | Hanuman | dmdavis: yup |
| 18:08.59 | dmdavis | You want to leave the East coast for Utah? I'm trying to get out of Utah to the East coast. :) |
| 18:09.02 | Hanuman | Got transferred here then laid off our entire Richmond office 6 mos later |
| 18:09.08 | dmdavis | ouch |
| 18:09.18 | dmdavis | but I'm an east coaster originally |
| 18:09.25 | Hanuman | I'm a westerner myself |
| 18:09.28 | Hanuman | grew up in TX |
| 18:10.22 | Hanuman | There are a lot more jobs over here, though from my experience |
| 18:10.42 | dmdavis | yeah, but you need to make a lot more money. At least where I want to live |
| 18:11.01 | Hanuman | dmdavis: where is that? The beltway? |
| 18:11.10 | dmdavis | CT |
| 18:11.25 | Hanuman | CT will do it. Not sure if there are many tech jobs up there or not |
| 18:11.31 | Hanuman | Boston has quite a few |
| 18:11.33 | dmdavis | that's where I was born, though I grew up in NY |
| 18:11.39 | Hanuman | NY has a lot too |
| 18:11.43 | dmdavis | Boston would be nice. Also incredibly expensive |
| 18:11.53 | Hanuman | My parents are currently moving up to Boston |
| 18:11.57 | dmdavis | living in CT, you can easily work in NY |
| 18:12.00 | dmdavis | cool |
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| 18:12.16 | Hanuman | NY would be cool - I wouldn't want to live further north than that, though |
| 18:12.28 | Hanuman | way too cold for my tastes |
| 18:12.31 | dmdavis | :) too cold? |
| 18:12.48 | Hanuman | Give me heat and humidity and I'm happy |
| 18:13.17 | dmdavis | I want 4 seasons and humidity |
| 18:13.26 | Hanuman | yeah - that's good too |
| 18:14.06 | Hanuman | Northern VA is said to be the second-highest tech hub in the nation next to silicon valley - you could move up there |
| 18:14.16 | dmdavis | I could definitely handle VA |
| 18:14.26 | dmdavis | VA and NC were my other top choices |
| 18:15.01 | Hanuman | VA isn't bad - I'm a bit closterphobic (sp?) from all the trees, though |
| 18:15.20 | dmdavis | ahhh... I miss the trees |
| 18:15.26 | Hanuman | I miss the mountains |
| 18:15.36 | Hanuman | perfect place in VA would be Charlotesville IMO |
| 18:15.45 | Hanuman | at least you've got somewhat large hills there |
| 18:15.56 | Hanuman | with pretty green trees |
| 18:15.59 | dmdavis | they call those mountains, I believe |
| 18:16.12 | Hanuman | key word - "they" |
| 18:16.14 | brailsmt | dang monster SNAFU... |
| 18:16.27 | dmdavis | at least in NY and NJ they call their hills mountains |
| 18:16.37 | brailsmt | i spend this time writing a cover letter and monster screws up and sends the application without the cover letter... |
| 18:17.20 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I hate using monster, dice, etc to send resumes |
| 18:17.35 | Hanuman | I usually try to find the job posted on the company's website and directly send there |
| 18:17.54 | Hanuman | should I just call in sick tomorrow? |
| 18:18.19 | dmdavis | stay up late, so you develop a little sniffle, than call in sick :) |
| 18:18.20 | Hanuman | but then if I have to give notice the week afterwards they'll know where I "really" was |
| 18:18.55 | Hanuman | I guess as long as they don't hate me I'm fine. |
| 18:19.40 | Hanuman | I would call it a "doctor's appointment" but I've still got to get dressed up and you know how everyone wonders when you dress up in the office |
| 18:26.15 | brailsmt | Hanuman: take a change of clothes in the car... |
| 18:26.29 | brailsmt | drive to the nearest gas station and change... |
| 18:27.35 | brailsmt | my dad just sent me an email asking if I knew "somebody at Linux" that could answer a few questions for the corporate guys... |
| 18:27.55 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:27.55 | brailsmt | i told him I don't know what he means by "somebody at Linux" :) |
| 18:28.02 | Jayce^ | give him linus' email :) |
| 18:29.17 | Hanuman | brailsmt: send him to Redhat - they've got great corporate support |
| 18:30.12 | brailsmt | oh btw, all the windows troubles my dad had... they were cuased by a missing normal.dot file the Ms Word needs... WHY ON EARTH the entire system should become unusable because of a word processing template file is BEYOND my capacity o understand... |
| 18:30.36 | brailsmt | s/BEYOND/WELL BEYOND |
| 18:31.39 | brailsmt | yet i never heard a disparaging word about MS... though he did try to blame his loss of the win98 install CD on my botched install of linux on my sister's comuter... |
| 18:31.42 | brailsmt | go figure... |
| 18:32.17 | brailsmt | and yes, the whole episode bugs me a lot... |
| 18:33.21 | neybar_work | lol |
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| 18:34.32 | brailsmt | when he did that I just ignored him, and pretended i didn't hear him... :D |
| 18:38.20 | Hanuman | My dad wants to setup a Linux server some time. |
| 18:38.45 | brailsmt | my father-in-law wants me to install linux on a few spare machines he has laying around... |
| 18:39.16 | brailsmt | but my dad continues to be anal about the whole MS can do no wrong... |
| 18:40.25 | brailsmt | what really bugs me is that my dad is currently studying the organizational structure of OSS and he thinks that it is the organizational model for the future... yet he can't bear the thought of giving up his money-leeching windows... |
| 18:41.10 | brailsmt | i swear, MS user's first thought is to pay for software off the shelf... my first thought is to find a free alternative... |
| 18:42.08 | Hanuman | I've got no problem with both. If the free alternative can do just as well as the paid then by all means use the free, but there are many proprietary pieces of software that don't have open equivalents yet. |
| 18:42.13 | neybar_work | either that or pirate the full version |
| 18:42.50 | Hanuman | I look forward to a day where all free software will work as good as proprietary, but we're not all the way there yet. |
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| 18:43.00 | brailsmt | anyone know how to get a digital camera working in linux? |
| 18:43.03 | Jayce^ | 'lo orbit |
| 18:43.12 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, depends on what you want it to do.. |
| 18:43.17 | Hanuman | 'hi orbit |
| 18:43.21 | Jayce^ | for all of mine, I've just used the usb mass storage driver.. |
| 18:43.27 | Jayce^ | so I just mount it as a drive.. |
| 18:43.27 | brailsmt | Jayce^: take pictures and let me download them... |
| 18:43.59 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, perfect : /dev/sdb1 /mnt/camera auto noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
| 18:44.08 | brailsmt | i think everyone gets annoyed by my suggesting a free alternative to everyting they want to go buy... |
| 18:44.18 | Jayce^ | that's all I have :) mount's it, and i can copy/do what I want.. |
| 18:44.24 | orbit | howdy |
| 18:44.26 | Jayce^ | save something else like a drive if I want. |
| 18:44.29 | brailsmt | why pay for internet radio when there is shoutcast for free? |
| 18:44.30 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I'm not annoyed |
| 18:44.41 | Jayce^ | you can use like gphoto to, but those systems tend to annoy me |
| 18:45.20 | Hanuman | brailsmt: the only internet radio I will pay for is Rhapsody, because you can stream any song you want on demand |
| 18:45.55 | brailsmt | my dad has been paying $30/mo for internet radio... he was at the "free level" 32 bit sample rate, but then payed to get the 128 bit stream... I showed him groove salad, and he prefers it now... and groove salad is free for all bit streams :) |
| 18:45.58 | Hanuman | but Rhapsody is proprietary to Windows AFAIK |
| 18:46.21 | Hanuman | yeah - for just plain radio there's no reason to pay |
| 18:47.08 | brailsmt | but windows media player won't play .pls files! |
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| 18:47.23 | brailsmt | so i had to convice him to install winamp (not an easy task) |
| 18:47.37 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 18:48.04 | brailsmt | we move out tommorrow... |
| 18:48.14 | brailsmt | YEAH!!!! |
| 18:48.49 | brailsmt | time to get away from the unencrypted-default-setting WAP... :D |
| 18:49.16 | brailsmt | i tried to explain wardriving to him, but he didn't think it wasa big deal... |
| 18:49.41 | dmdavis | will it be a problem for me to run a small, personal web and email server on a Pentium 133 with 16 MB of Ram? will it handle it? |
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| 18:49.55 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, course, I dont' think it's that big of a deal.. I leave mine open |
| 18:49.58 | brailsmt | it'll work |
| 18:49.59 | Hanuman | brailsmt: your dad might like Musicmatch jukebox - it supports .pls files |
| 18:50.16 | Jayce^ | course my boxes are locked themselves |
| 18:50.20 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I'm considering leaving mine open as a free service to others |
| 18:50.24 | dmdavis | brailsmt: cool. thanks |
| 18:50.32 | brailsmt | Hanuman: he just uninstalled musicmatch in favor of windows media player?!? |
| 18:50.58 | Hanuman | musicmatch is far superior |
| 18:51.07 | brailsmt | dmdavis: i run email/web/firewall on my 300MHz dinosaur without problems... |
| 18:51.23 | Hanuman | and if he was paying a monthly fee, he should just upgrade to plus - it will give him many more features |
| 18:51.39 | synic|home | http://linuxhelp.homeunix.com/utahstats/ |
| 18:51.40 | Hanuman | for a one-time payment |
| 18:51.40 | dmdavis | I'm not too worried about the speed, as much as the ram |
| 18:52.08 | brailsmt | he didn't like that he had to pay... windows usage turns people into an unintelligible mass of contradictions... |
| 18:52.11 | brailsmt | :) |
| 18:52.17 | Hanuman | dmdavis: don't do it w/ Fedora - the install won't work with that little ram |
| 18:52.34 | Hanuman | brailsmt: for the basic version you don't have to pay and it still supports .pls |
| 18:52.35 | dmdavis | I've already installed Debian |
| 18:52.48 | Hanuman | I paid like $20 for a lifetime of upgrades |
| 18:52.58 | synic|home | woops, wrong ones... |
| 18:53.00 | synic|home | here they are: |
| 18:53.05 | synic|home | http://linuxhelp.homeunix.com/utahstats/ |
| 18:53.27 | dmdavis | synic|home: isn't that the same? |
| 18:53.32 | synic|home | refresh :/ |
| 18:54.02 | dmdavis | :) got it |
| 18:54.39 | Jayce^ | Hanuman has been talking like crazy :) |
| 18:54.54 | *** join/#utah mhalcrow (~mhalcrow@adsl-209-30-128-237.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 18:55.10 | mhalcrow | I saw a license plate yesterday on my way back from church: |
| 18:55.11 | dmdavis | I'm just proud to be on the list for using the word "could" |
| 18:55.24 | mhalcrow | ``Utahn by birth. Alaskan by divine grace.'' |
| 18:55.41 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I am crazy :) |
| 18:55.59 | mhalcrow | I had mixed reactions to that. |
| 18:55.59 | Hanuman | lol |
| 18:56.00 | Jayce^ | try a little harder, and you'll double me :) |
| 18:56.18 | dmdavis | mhalcrow: you been to Alaska? |
| 18:56.30 | Hanuman | This channel keeps me sane - it's my own form of therapy |
| 18:56.41 | mhalcrow | dmdavis: Nope. |
| 18:56.52 | mhalcrow | Linux World Expo starts... tomorrow!! |
| 18:57.07 | Jayce^ | Poor Jayce^, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 4 times. |
| 18:57.07 | Jayce^ | For example, like this: |
| 18:57.07 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.07 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.38 | neybar_work | that stat page is funny |
| 18:58.43 | neybar_work | ibot is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 16 times. |
| 18:58.45 | | neybar_work: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:58.45 | neybar_work | For example, like this: |
| 18:58.45 | neybar_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.45 | neybar_work | Jayce^ can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 6 times. |
| 18:59.10 | dmdavis | what is ibot? |
| 18:59.21 | dmdavis | ibot: what are you? |
| 18:59.23 | | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:59.26 | Jayce^ | dmdavis, ask him :) |
| 18:59.29 | Jayce^ | you did.. |
| 18:59.31 | dmdavis | :) |
| 18:59.35 | Hanuman | wow - I do talk alot |
| 18:59.36 | Jayce^ | dmdavis, /msg ibot help |
| 18:59.45 | mhalcrow | ibot: What is the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything? |
| 18:59.46 | | mhalcrow: what are you talking about? |
| 18:59.47 | Hanuman | haha - I'm number 1 |
| 18:59.57 | dmdavis | Jayce^: thanks |
| 18:59.58 | mhalcrow | ibot: You're worthless. |
| 18:59.59 | | mhalcrow: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:00.14 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you need to talk more so I've got some competition |
| 19:00.21 | Jayce^ | ibot: the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything is 42 |
| 19:00.26 | | Jayce^: what are you talking about? |
| 19:01.05 | dmdavis | ibot: what is the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything? |
| 19:01.12 | | I think you lost me on that one, dmdavis |
| 19:01.21 | dmdavis | doesn't learn too well |
| 19:01.47 | orbit | ibot: what is the one true MTA? |
| 19:01.49 | | orbit: what are you talking about? |
| 19:02.24 | Jayce^ | not very.. |
| 19:03.07 | Jayce^ | synic|home, does that page refresh on demand, or is it generated at certain times |
| 19:03.19 | synic|home | 6:10 every morning |
| 19:03.24 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 19:03.27 | Hanuman | well, back to work - Jayce^: time to catch up to me now... |
| 19:03.55 | synic|home | 6:10 because the first crontab example I ever saw was 10 6 * * * /some/command |
| 19:03.59 | synic|home | been using 6:10 ever since. |
| 19:04.05 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 19:19.48 | *** join/#utah orbit (~hanksdc@nat.aboutws.com) |
| 19:20.42 | *** topic/#utah by Jayce^ -> Thursday - UUG presentation 'Regular Expressions', all invited : http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
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| 19:58.27 | hans | hmm, that's odd. I just got a spam that actually looks like a legitimate advertisement (it may not be, but it amuses me that most spam doesn't even look like an advertisement at least to someone using mutt) |
| 19:58.40 | hans | Subject: Sony VAIO GRT170 Laptop 2.8Ghz/1Gb ram/DVD-RW/16" only $900! |
| 20:20.55 | tensai | hans: I made pictures of my sourdough pizza |
| 20:20.56 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/pizza_dough.jpg |
| 20:21.01 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/pizza_cooked.jpg |
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| 20:27.37 | Hanuman | tensai: what is the voters' pamphlet for? |
| 20:27.50 | Hanuman | pizza looks delicious btw |
| 20:28.34 | tensai | special election in February. The Oregon legislature slaved away last year for many extended sessions to pass an $800 million tax increase. Now they've referred it to voters. |
| 20:31.02 | tensai | speaking of voting, I really like Oregon's vote by mail. It's cheaper than voting booths and I don't have to worry about retarded touch screen voting black boxes. |
| 20:31.37 | Jayce^ | got the voter stuff two weeks after the election |
| 20:31.50 | tensai | in Oregon every election is 100% vote by mail |
| 20:33.10 | tensai | Jayce^: Brazil, right? Was the mail that bad, or did they just send them out too late? |
| 20:33.43 | Jayce^ | yeah, mail took a long time.. |
| 20:33.53 | Jayce^ | and they sent it too close for international amil. |
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| 21:09.21 | hans | tensai: looks good |
| 21:09.38 | hans | how do you shape the pizza dough? you roll/press right on the stone? |
| 21:12.30 | tensai | no. roll it out on the counter and then very carefully lift it off and onto the stone. |
| 21:13.08 | tensai | then roll up the stuff hanging off the side and make the edges |
| 21:13.26 | hans | that's a good idea |
| 21:13.43 | tensai | the sourdough was a higher hydration than regular so it took me a few times to get the dough off the counter without tearing |
| 21:13.51 | hans | I like to toss it. drives my wife mad. :-) it actually does work quite well though if your dough is elastic like it should be |
| 21:13.54 | Jayce^ | hans, if you ever visit rexburg... stop by a place called craigo's.. you'd love it.. |
| 21:14.01 | Jayce^ | sourdough pizza/breadsticks |
| 21:14.54 | neybar_work | HarleyPig: do you know how to test for the size of a file in perl? I need to check that a file exists and that it is greater then 0 bytes. ex if ((-e $somefile) && (someotherswitch $somefile)) I can stat the file, but I am being lazy... |
| 21:15.05 | hans | i'm not talented enough to get it perfectly round though. but that turn under the edges thing might save me. :) |
| 21:16.00 | orbit | neybar_work: perdoc -f stat |
| 21:16.06 | orbit | oh, nevermind. |
| 21:16.12 | neybar_work | lol |
| 21:16.23 | HarleyPig | neybar_work, just a sec |
| 21:16.24 | orbit | My mind was working faster than my eyes. |
| 21:17.12 | HarleyPig | neybar_work, perldoc -f -X : -s file has non-zero size. |
| 21:17.23 | neybar_work | that's what I was looking for |
| 21:17.38 | HarleyPig | ibot, perl filesize check? |
| 21:17.40 | | HarleyPig: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:17.42 | Jayce^ | -X... man, missed that one |
| 21:17.47 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 21:19.04 | neybar_work | what perldoc did you find those conditions in, I couldn't find it |
| 21:19.20 | HarleyPig | 5.8 |
| 21:19.34 | HarleyPig | But I remember reading it under 5.005 something.\ |
| 21:19.44 | HarleyPig | make sure you include the -f |
| 21:19.51 | orbit | I have it here in 5.6.0 |
| 21:21.35 | Jayce^ | 5.8.2 |
| 21:21.57 | tensai | 5.001 forever! |
| 21:22.15 | HarleyPig | Well, at least it's not 4.00? forever. |
| 21:22.21 | emcnabb | SCO is sueing Novell |
| 21:22.22 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:22.29 | Jayce^ | ooh? groklaw? |
| 21:22.52 | emcnabb | sco's website |
| 21:23.47 | HarleyPig | Fifty Ways To Leave Your Windows. heh |
| 21:24.27 | emcnabb | http://finance.yahoo.com/mp#scox |
| 21:24.29 | Bradipo | ir.sco.com |
| 21:24.29 | Newsome | well, SCO _says_ they're sueing Novell, but I haven't been able to confirm it with the court yet. |
| 21:24.38 | tensai | I've got it. If we can trick SCO into suing enough companies, we can get them to sue themselves out of business! |
| 21:24.52 | Newsome | haha |
| 21:24.58 | Jayce^ | slander?! |
| 21:25.15 | Newsome | I expect more lawsuits _against_ sco soon. |
| 21:25.40 | emcnabb | Jayce^, yeah |
| 21:26.02 | Jayce^ | Newsome, how long 'till your article comes on groklaw? |
| 21:26.28 | Newsome | I wish I knew. Maybe now that SCO has sued someone else, PJ will put it up. |
| 21:26.57 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.40 | HarleyPig | I want whatever medication McBride is on. |
| 21:27.53 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, hallucinigenic, no doubt |
| 21:27.59 | HarleyPig | I'm hoping. |
| 21:28.16 | HarleyPig | It's certainly not anti-psychotic. |
| 21:29.27 | tensai | I heard a report on NPR that a higher than average number of CEOs are psychopaths (vs. normal population) |
| 21:29.53 | Jayce^ | so, we've got somebody who helps groklaw, somebody who works for sco, and at least one that works for Novell in here... |
| 21:30.01 | Jayce^ | and when halcrow visits, an IBM person.. |
| 21:30.04 | Jayce^ | man, this can get fun |
| 21:30.11 | hans | who works for novell? |
| 21:30.16 | Jayce^ | Mecworks.. |
| 21:30.19 | Newsome | you _want_ Darl's meds? I wouldn't want to be the laughingstock of the tech world. |
| 21:30.27 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but these are all trenchers ... none of UM. |
| 21:30.48 | Jayce^ | time to watch a show :) |
| 21:30.58 | Newsome | I expect that Novell will either ask the court to join them to IBM's countersuit, or IBM will buy Novell. Tomorrow. |
| 21:31.02 | dmdavis | I think we even have a Microsoft person. At least in the UUG |
| 21:31.05 | HarleyPig | Oh, I wouldn't do the same thing, since I'm not a ceo ... besides ... experimentation is fun! |
| 21:31.28 | HarleyPig | And I like making people laugh. |
| 21:31.39 | Jayce^ | Newsome, no, HarleyPig wants to see if it's one still resident in his system.. |
| 21:31.50 | Newsome | haha |
| 21:31.52 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:34.54 | Jayce^ | now, could we just get a redhat employee in here to represent them |
| 21:36.48 | Hanuman | so I guess I'm a partial owner of Redhat |
| 21:38.23 | tensai | Jayce^: don't forget the ex-SCO and ex-Novell employees. that could spice things up |
| 21:38.25 | Jayce^ | lawsuit just made /. |
| 21:38.34 | Jayce^ | tensai, good point on the ex's |
| 21:39.16 | tensai | Jayce^: it's hard to forget since I am one :) |
| 21:39.29 | Jayce^ | Q: What did Darl get on his IQ test? |
| 21:39.29 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.54 | hans | heh |
| 21:40.05 | Bradipo | Mecworks is an ex-SCO and current Novell. :-) |
| 21:40.14 | HarleyPig | And y'all thought my budhhist monk joke was bad. |
| 21:40.26 | dmdavis | yeah, well, it was :) |
| 21:40.51 | dmdavis | maybe not relatively, but I believe in absolute truth |
| 21:41.12 | Bradipo | All we need now is a Microsoft guy in here and we can work on all these conspiracy theories together. |
| 21:41.47 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, that'd be fun, but then SUN would require to be present.. |
| 21:41.57 | hans | i used a sun once |
| 21:42.20 | Bradipo | Oh, I forgot about SUN, yeah let's not leave them out. |
| 21:42.49 | Hanuman | I'm a SUNbeam teacher |
| 21:44.57 | HarleyPig | Ok, that's it. I'm pulling out the stops: |
| 21:45.08 | HarleyPig | Have you heard about the new coruroy pillows? |
| 21:45.11 | HarleyPig | They're making headlines! |
| 21:45.27 | HarleyPig | What do flies where on their feet? |
| 21:45.29 | Bradipo | You very funny Dr. Jones. |
| 21:45.30 | HarleyPig | Shoos. |
| 21:45.45 | HarleyPig | What's Mary short for? |
| 21:45.47 | HarleyPig | She's got no legs. |
| 21:46.05 | hans | this one only works in spoken language, but try it out: |
| 21:46.18 | hans | what do you call a fish with no eyes? |
| 21:46.20 | hans | fsh |
| 21:46.28 | hans | what do you call a deer with no eyes? |
| 21:46.38 | hans | no eye deer (no idea with a drawl) |
| 21:46.46 | hans | what do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs? |
| 21:46.51 | hans | still no eye deer |
| 21:46.58 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:47.01 | HarleyPig | Why does a chicken coop have only two doors? |
| 21:47.08 | HarleyPig | If it had four, it'd be a chicken sedan. |
| 21:47.26 | HarleyPig | *pant* *pant* |
| 21:47.36 | HarleyPig | I need to get back into shape. |
| 21:47.49 | Jayce^ | round is a shape |
| 21:48.08 | HarleyPig | Uh huh. So is *flat*. |
| 21:48.18 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:48.35 | Jayce^ | for some reason I feel like that picture of the chihuahua under the small chair with the fat lady on it |
| 21:48.56 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:49.07 | tensai | Jayce^: feel glad you're not the bikini on Cindy Salsa |
| 21:49.25 | dmdavis | hey, anyone know how to scroll up in irssi? |
| 21:49.34 | dmdavis | missed some of the jokes. :) |
| 21:49.37 | Hanuman | A bhuddist monks stops at a hot dog stand and tells the man "make me one, with everything" |
| 21:49.53 | Hanuman | dmdavis: pageup |
| 21:50.03 | Jayce^ | tensai, that was HarleyPig actually :) |
| 21:50.09 | dmdavis | ahhh... it's so simple. thanks |
| 21:50.39 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: you stole my chicken coup joke |
| 21:51.22 | HarleyPig | tensai, just imagine her with a leather butt thong ... :> |
| 21:51.35 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig in drag.... |
| 21:51.42 | tensai | Jayce^: I've never seen a picture. The descriptions are plenty. |
| 21:51.44 | HarleyPig | Hey now ... I'm not that floppy. |
| 21:51.52 | neybar_work | why didn't the man put deoderant under left arm? he only had right guard... ba dum dum |
| 21:52.00 | hans | ~/.ssh/environment <-- is that on the client or the server? |
| 21:52.02 | | okay, hans |
| 21:52.43 | neybar_work | never used the environment file |
| 21:52.44 | hans | ibot, what are you on? |
| 21:52.46 | | hans: what are you talking about? |
| 21:52.57 | hans | ibot, what is /.ssh/environment? |
| 21:52.59 | | hans: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:53.14 | HarleyPig | hans, it can be either. |
| 21:53.52 | hans | is that the only way to get environment variables set? |
| 21:56.43 | dmdavis | what's the command to count the number of words in a file? |
| 21:56.48 | hans | wc |
| 21:57.04 | dmdavis | ah yeah. somehow got nl in my head, and lost wc. thanks |
| 21:57.42 | HarleyPig | hans, unless you don't have access to whatever profile is being used. |
| 21:58.24 | hans | not interactive, so the profile isn't being sourced. (-t didn't work either - it just says connected to stdin so not allocating a terminal) |
| 21:59.52 | HarleyPig | hmmm ... as far as I'm aware that's the only way to set env vars ... and if I understand correctly the environement file has to be on the server and is only accessed upon terminal startup. |
| 22:00.09 | HarleyPig | I could be wrong. It's happened at least once before. |
| 22:00.11 | hans | i don't believe it |
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| 22:00.56 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 22:00.56 | hans | ~kiss emcnabb |
| 22:01.00 | | ACTION smooches emcnabb on the forehead |
| 22:01.09 | emcnabb | noo!!! |
| 22:01.13 | hans | lol |
| 22:01.44 | Jayce^ | so emcnabb's girfriend is really ibot |
| 22:02.01 | HarleyPig | ~emcnabb? |
| 22:02.03 | | well, emcnabb is Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. |
| 22:02.25 | HarleyPig | ibot, emcnabb is also ibot's boyfriend. |
| 22:02.27 | | okay, HarleyPig |
| 22:02.30 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 22:02.37 | Hanuman | ~ibot |
| 22:02.39 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 22:02.39 | HarleyPig | ~emcnabb? |
| 22:02.41 | | i guess emcnabb is Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. ibot's boyfriend. |
| 22:02.56 | emcnabb | I'm getting attacked!!! |
| 22:02.56 | Hanuman | ibot's cheating |
| 22:02.56 | emcnabb | run away!!! |
| 22:02.56 | emcnabb | run away! |
| 22:03.16 | HarleyPig | ~harleypig |
| 22:03.18 | | [harleypig] rumored to not be "all up there". Hagrid's stunt double |
| 22:03.21 | emcnabb | my wireless connection in this class is really flakey |
| 22:03.34 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 22:03.36 | | ACTION yawns. |
| 22:04.23 | HarleyPig | hans, just did a search on "ssh environment" and ran into a number of security pages which describe using ssh/environment to circumvent restricted shells ... so looks like I was wrong. |
| 22:04.36 | hans | ok, trying to help a friend |
| 22:04.48 | hans | she's trying to run a command over ssh |
| 22:05.00 | hans | ssh server db2 <<EOF |
| 22:05.02 | hans | db2 commands... |
| 22:05.03 | hans | EOF |
| 22:05.30 | hans | but db2 needs some environment set up |
| 22:06.40 | HarleyPig | Well, she could do ssh server <<EOF |
| 22:06.48 | HarleyPig | export VAR= |
| 22:06.52 | HarleyPig | db2 |
| 22:06.57 | HarleyPig | db2 commands |
| 22:06.58 | HarleyPig | EOF |
| 22:07.05 | hans | true. |
| 22:07.23 | HarleyPig | or even VAR=whatever db2 |
| 22:17.06 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@asterix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 22:34.29 | orbit | So, I got an email on a mailing list today about foreign keys in MySQL |
| 22:34.50 | orbit | I was curious to what extent MySQL supports foreign keys? |
| 22:37.56 | orbit | This guy's claim was that innodb tables didn't support foreign keys. |
| 22:38.35 | Jayce^ | http://www.innodb.com/ibman.php#InnoDB_foreign_keys |
| 22:38.41 | orbit | which sounds kind of funny to me - if such is the case, then it's like, ok, you can have transactions, but don't even think about asking for foreign keys... |
| 22:38.41 | Jayce^ | bull.. I use them |
| 22:38.47 | orbit | ok. |
| 22:38.50 | orbit | That's what I thought.. |
| 22:39.09 | Jayce^ | here's the basic support list :) |
| 22:39.12 | Jayce^ | ALTER TABLE yourtablename |
| 22:39.12 | Jayce^ | ADD [CONSTRAINT symbol] FOREIGN KEY [id] (...) |
| 22:39.12 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.12 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.12 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.13 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.15 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.48 | orbit | What language are they using for the SP support? |
| 22:39.59 | neybar_work | so does mysql does consistancy checking on the FK now? can you insert a FK id if that id doesn't exist? |
| 22:40.20 | neybar_work | grr s/does/do on that second does |
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| 22:44.48 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, with innodb, if you define a constraint... it's done that for a couple years now |
| 23:14.13 | HarleyPig | neybar_work, I've given up on psql, with mysql moving the way it is, psql will remain a niche db. |
| 23:14.27 | HarleyPig | err ... let me rephrase that ... I haven't given up on it. ... |
| 23:14.32 | HarleyPig | I've given up on pushing it. |
| 23:15.25 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you missed a discussion we had just before plug (on the way).. bryan and I talking about how much better middleware was for business logic :) |
| 23:15.34 | Jayce^ | you and orbit, and sjansen woulda hated us :) |
| 23:15.49 | orbit | heh |
| 23:16.19 | HarleyPig | heh ... but if mysql gets procedural languages then I can do it my way and still use mysql. :> |
| 23:16.49 | Jayce^ | dang.. |
| 23:16.52 | Jayce^ | so close.. |
| 23:17.39 | HarleyPig | Is there a way I can tail -f a file and grep for specific lines? |
| 23:17.57 | HarleyPig | I know I can write a script to do it, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel. |
| 23:20.19 | orbit | hehe |
| 23:20.35 | Jayce^ | orbit, you should write a dissertation on that.. we'll get you posted on /. :) |
| 23:20.59 | brailsmt | SCO is unbelievable... |
| 23:21.05 | orbit | heh |
| 23:21.31 | Jayce^ | woohoo.. brailsmt is back, and saw the news. |
| 23:21.50 | orbit | Actually chris Date has written 'the book' on what a 'faithful' implementation of the relational model would be. |
| 23:22.11 | orbit | But there is some debate in the community as to what the relational model encompasses. |
| 23:23.11 | Jayce^ | the relational model is dead.. it's all about the xml/object db's now |
| 23:24.05 | tensai | HarleyPig: I've used swatch for similar tasks |
| 23:26.18 | HarleyPig | I can't take the time to install swatch at the moment, but I'll keep it in mind. |
| 23:26.28 | HarleyPig | ~ignore Jayce^ |
| 23:26.32 | | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Jayce^!" |
| 23:27.00 | HarleyPig | Speaking of mysql, how do I get a list of indexes for a db or table? |
| 23:27.07 | HarleyPig | desc table doesn't show them. |
| 23:30.00 | HarleyPig | Ah. SHOW INDEX FROM mytable [FROM mydb] |
| 23:30.10 | HarleyPig | or SHOW INDEX FROM mydb.mytable |
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| 23:45.37 | orbit | :-D |
| 23:46.46 | orbit | heh |
| 23:47.09 | orbit | I'm getting a bit tired of Pascal's acrimony too, but they do have some good points from time to time. |
| 23:47.12 | Jayce^ | personally, I dont' like xml db's.. that was just trolling.. but I don't like that site |
| 23:47.39 | Jayce^ | I think a requirement for a postgres user is to get that site memorized :) |
| 23:48.13 | orbit | Actually Date and Pascal would take Pg to task as well. |
| 23:54.24 | orbit | I am very interested in seeing the new clustering stuff MySQL has in the pipe. |
| 23:54.37 | orbit | I'd love to see synchronous multi-master clustering. |
| 23:55.00 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 23:55.00 | orbit | Then we could load-balance mysql databases the way we load-balance web servers. |
| 23:58.09 | Jayce^ | we did that with just our reads.. need it for write too |
| 23:58.13 | orbit | Yup |
