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| 03:06.59 | mhalcrow | Who wants to track my weight and exercise schedule? |
| 03:07.49 | Tenebram1 | choose a random number from 1 - 25? |
| 03:07.57 | mhalcrow | 42 |
| 03:07.58 | mhalcrow | Oops |
| 03:08.01 | mhalcrow | ... |
| 03:08.07 | mhalcrow | 19 |
| 03:08.32 | Tenebram1 | Okay... apparently SCOBot wants to track your weight and exercise schedule... |
| 03:08.32 | SCOBot | Tenebram1: yo |
| 03:08.43 | mhalcrow | http://halcrow.us/exercise |
| 03:20.37 | mhalcrow | I've just open sourced it. :-) |
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| 04:57.11 | brailsmt | what is the best way to install linux on a CD-less machine? |
| 04:57.49 | brailsmt | it has a floppy and a nic (i think) |
| 05:06.31 | RedHat | brailsmt: check this outhttp://www.madisonlinux.org/pipermail/madlug/2003-February/005222.html |
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| 05:14.23 | brailsmt | basically all i need is a mini distro on a floppy that can et me on the network... |
| 05:14.32 | brailsmt | s/et/get |
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| 05:22.11 | tensai | brailsmt: debian boot floppies takes 2, sometimes 3 depending on network card, to do a network install |
| 05:22.19 | tensai | I've done that numerous times |
| 05:22.43 | brailsmt | i am thinking of installing debian on this machine... where can I get those floppies? debian.org? |
| 05:23.05 | tensai | yeah. hold on. I'll find you a deep link |
| 05:23.29 | tensai | http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 06:39.09 | torriem | ~slashdot |
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| 13:49.36 | hans | happy mlkj day |
| 13:50.20 | bonez39 | ah, same to you, hans... |
| 13:50.45 | bonez39 | do you know any good trial/free/shareware virus scanners? I think my windows box may have a bug... |
| 14:05.14 | hans | not sure - i had one back when I used windows but for all I know they could be out of business now. I don't remember who they are |
| 14:06.51 | bonez39 | ok....I downloaded an update for a program I use all the time and it broke my medical program scheduler and a few other parts..not sure if it's a virus or just poorly written code from the downloaded update |
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| 14:20.35 | bonez39 | good morning |
| 14:21.07 | Hanuman | Good Morning |
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| 14:31.15 | Hanuman | okay - I'm not liking Fedora |
| 14:31.30 | Hanuman | yum has problems, up2date has problems - it seems a bit buggy |
| 14:34.13 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/01/19/offbeat.mike.rowe.soft.ap/index.html |
| 14:34.17 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/01/19/offbeat.mike.rowe.soft.ap/index.html |
| 14:34.23 | emcnabb | that's funny |
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| 14:53.15 | Hanuman | sasyeah, saw that - funny |
| 14:53.35 | Hanuman | Is it just me or is the web a bit shaky today? I see a lot of netsplits and people disconnecting and reconnecting |
| 15:04.41 | hans | that would be freenode, not the web |
| 15:08.56 | Hanuman | hmm...my connection must be having problems too then |
| 15:09.17 | Hanuman | at least just a second ago when I was disconnected from my home machine |
| 15:32.40 | Hanuman | emcnabb: Mike Rowe should change is last name to Soft and his keep his middle name as Rowe - then he'd be legal (as if he isn't already) |
| 15:33.04 | emcnabb | haha |
| 15:38.31 | Hanuman | You know if he wasn't 17 and much older he could be suing Microsoft themselves for his name being around before they were |
| 15:39.18 | hans | how can he be 17 and much older? |
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| 15:40.33 | Hanuman | you know what I mean... :) |
| 15:40.38 | Hanuman | s/and/but/ |
| 15:40.46 | Hanuman | http://www.doesyourcodethinkinink.com/ |
| 15:40.58 | Hanuman | like I would trust my code going to Microsoft |
| 15:41.20 | Hanuman | IBM should launch a counter campaign for Linux tablet-PC projects |
| 15:41.38 | Hanuman | oh wait - they don't have to bribe their coders |
| 15:41.52 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.42 | bonez39 | does mozilla-firebird do well with editing a web page? |
| 15:55.48 | bonez39 | does it include an editor? |
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| 15:59.32 | hans | bonez39: no, but mozilla itself has one |
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| 16:16.03 | bonez39 | just mozilla...not firebird, right? |
| 16:19.07 | hans | right. you're looking for mozilla composer specifically (should be in the mozilla package) |
| 16:19.26 | Hanuman | Any of y'all know any Coldfusion? |
| 16:21.34 | Hanuman | looks like I'm going to have to learn some Coldfusion if I take this job I'm looking at |
| 16:21.45 | Hanuman | Does anyone even use Coldfusion any more? |
| 16:22.24 | jets | any good linux jobs in salt lake city ? :) |
| 16:24.13 | Hanuman | jets: let me know if you find any. ;-) I'm not finding anything out in Utah. All the good jobs with big companies seem to be out here where I am. |
| 16:24.26 | Hanuman | Although I'd love to move back out to Utah. |
| 16:24.40 | jets | Hanuman: where are you |
| 16:24.45 | bonez39 | hans< are you up for any hacking today? |
| 16:24.46 | Hanuman | Richmond, VA |
| 16:25.16 | bonez39 | hans: I tried that change from DHCP to STATIC last week, and all it did was hose my network and internet connectivity... |
| 16:25.41 | hans | you need to change your windows to static too |
| 16:26.02 | hans | all computers on the network - or your dhcp server will give out your cool addresses to other computers |
| 16:26.56 | hans | and/or tell your dhcp server (the dsl modem) which MAC addresses get which IP addresses |
| 16:36.41 | bonez39 | hans: so, it's serious business..what I am attempting, right? |
| 16:36.41 | hans | your network was hosed because both the linux and the windows boxes had the same ip |
| 16:36.52 | bonez39 | ok, that makes sense |
| 16:37.00 | hans | not so bad - you just need to make sure they have different IPs in the correct range |
| 16:37.10 | bonez39 | I called my ISP and they told me all the stuff I need to add to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:37.14 | hans | you can do that either in the dhcp setup or manually |
| 16:40.37 | bonez39 | so what you are saying..that DHCP...is an all or none proposition.....all on the LAN have to play the same game...one or the other |
| 16:41.14 | hans | yeah, although you can do things to allow both. e.g. tell dhcp to only use a subset of the available addresses and assign static addresses outside that subset, etc. |
| 16:41.17 | bonez39 | am I undestanding this correctly |
| 16:42.06 | bonez39 | hans: that's what the tech at my ISP has done...he gave me an address to use outside the range..so that my linux box statically uses that..and the rest get assigned in a different range |
| 16:44.11 | Hanuman | bonez39: what's your ISP? They sound awesome. |
| 16:44.48 | bonez39 | I am using Integratelecom |
| 16:44.55 | bonez39 | they are a local CLEC.... |
| 16:44.56 | Hanuman | is it for home or business? |
| 16:45.05 | bonez39 | they do a good job....it's for my office... |
| 16:45.27 | Hanuman | ahh...that would explain the actual knowledge of their support reps |
| 16:45.30 | bonez39 | setting this up so that I can remotely connect, transfer files to home, etc..or so that my wife can access her work when she is one the road.. |
| 16:45.44 | Hanuman | cool |
| 16:45.45 | bonez39 | oh, actual knowledge? do you mean, compared with those at Qwest? |
| 16:46.02 | Hanuman | compared to home DSL/cable support |
| 16:46.41 | hans | so if they gave you an ip outside the range, does that mess up your network still? |
| 16:48.41 | bonez39 | oh, I haven't tried that one yet...but I will..they won't have the port 22 mapped over for several hours.... |
| 16:48.45 | bonez39 | I'll try it tomorrow |
| 16:49.27 | hans | oic |
| 16:49.27 | hans | that should work |
| 16:52.41 | bonez39 | just going to set up the /etc/network/interfaces file....and then when I know they have it set up..I'll write that file..and reboot and pray.. |
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| 17:06.00 | HarleyPig | . |
| 17:07.17 | Jayce^ | .. |
| 17:20.44 | neybar_work | ... |
| 17:20.53 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: so, sending out Haikus now to get more spam through eh? |
| 17:21.07 | Hanuman | .-..-. .. .- -- -.-. --- --- .-.. .-..-. |
| 17:21.29 | hans | I think he was trying to say HarleyPig.speedo |
| 17:24.37 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 17:25.10 | HarleyPig | I switched windows by mistake just before pressing .<enter> |
| 17:26.31 | Hanuman | ahh...I thought you were sending us morse code ;-) |
| 17:26.54 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: have you read the /. article on haiku in SPAM yet? |
| 17:27.34 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I've noticed those in my inbox ... SpamAssassin picks them up just fine. |
| 17:28.08 | Hanuman | does it detect good haiku, though? |
| 17:29.55 | Hanuman | Spamassassin for some reason doesn't seem to want to detect the spam w/ a picture and a bunch of random words below it |
| 17:30.15 | Hanuman | There's one that keeps coming through that no matter how much I put it in my sa-learn folder it still doesn't detect |
| 17:31.24 | Jayce^ | what scores does it get? |
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| 17:32.56 | Hanuman | Jayce^: can't remember - I'll have to relook later (got a lunch mtg here in 5 mins) |
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| 18:25.01 | Jayce^ | http://www.comics.com/wash/genepool/archive/genepool-20040118.html |
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| 18:55.23 | Jayce^ | guessing that not too many people are working today |
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| 19:06.17 | hans | yo davis |
| 19:06.25 | dmdavis | sup |
| 19:06.30 | dmdavis | how's it going? |
| 19:06.33 | hans | good |
| 19:07.52 | brailsmt | I can't tell you how many times my dad has told me that he isn't interested in Linux because he wants his computer to "just work"... |
| 19:08.25 | brailsmt | For the last 4 days, my dad has not been able to figure out why his win98 machine won't allow him to run any applications... |
| 19:08.28 | hans | that's when I stop supporting windows, seeing as it just works. |
| 19:08.38 | dmdavis | I can't tell you how many times I've gotten sick of Linux (read: Gentoo) because I wanted something that "just works" :) |
| 19:08.43 | brailsmt | so today he decides he is going to reinstall win98... |
| 19:08.46 | dmdavis | but I got over that |
| 19:08.51 | brailsmt | thing is he lost his 98 installation disk... |
| 19:09.26 | brailsmt | he has a copy of XP and he was going to install it, but then I read to him the EULA where it says that he can only have on copy of XP running per purchase of XP... |
| 19:09.51 | Jayce^ | "when did they add that" :) |
| 19:10.18 | brailsmt | so here my dad is stuck, he has to do some work from home, but because windows 98 is being retarded and won't let him open any application, and he can't reinstall win98 or install xp he can't get work done... |
| 19:10.40 | brailsmt | but hey, "it just works" |
| 19:10.44 | brailsmt | :D |
| 19:11.13 | brailsmt | his options are 1) pay $300+ for XP, 2) pay $400 for a new computer... :D |
| 19:11.47 | brailsmt | Jayce^: i keep telling him that I could install linux on it for him in a matter of an hour or two... |
| 19:11.52 | brailsmt | he continues to refuse... |
| 19:12.08 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, heck, knoppix_hdinst takes a few minutes :) |
| 19:12.14 | brailsmt | so I let him keep wallowing in MS induced despair... |
| 19:12.45 | hans | don't forget to give him knoppix or some other live cd that 'just works' to use in the meantime. |
| 19:12.46 | brailsmt | I have yet to hear him utter nary a negative word about ms... |
| 19:13.03 | brailsmt | it is screwy... |
| 19:13.23 | brailsmt | i just gave up... |
| 19:13.44 | brailsmt | i don't have a cd burner...that works... |
| 19:13.53 | dmdavis | hey, my coworker and I just got mobos with gigabit ethernet. We want to connect our computers for the heck of having gigabit speeds... |
| 19:13.54 | brailsmt | so i can't give him a knoppix cd... |
| 19:14.00 | dmdavis | What kind of wires do we need? |
| 19:14.07 | hans | you need a crossover cable, or a hub |
| 19:14.12 | brailsmt | cat5 can do gigbit, can't it? |
| 19:14.18 | hans | oh, I don't know |
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| 19:14.26 | hans | i guess you need fast cables. :) |
| 19:14.39 | mrpull | actually, IIRC, gigiabit autosenses host to host and doesn't need a crossover. |
| 19:14.48 | dmdavis | googling, it looks like we can connect with cat5, but we'll only get 100Mb |
| 19:14.58 | dmdavis | yeah, you don't need a crossover |
| 19:14.59 | hans | mrpull: really? that's cool |
| 19:15.24 | mrpull | that was the source of huge confusion one day. |
| 19:15.34 | dmdavis | mrpull: will cat5 give us full speed? |
| 19:15.35 | mrpull | I moved a pc to where a mac once was.... |
| 19:15.47 | mrpull | the mac worked and the pc didn't. |
| 19:16.17 | Jayce^ | you need cat-7 for gigabit IIRC |
| 19:16.20 | mrpull | it turned out there was a crossover cable in the patch panel that the Mac's gig interface was smart enough to "un-cross" |
| 19:16.42 | dmdavis | hmmm... is cat-7 expensive? |
| 19:16.46 | mrpull | try a good cat5e and check the link speed. I think that should be ok over short distances. |
| 19:17.06 | dmdavis | maybe we'll do some speed tests during lunch |
| 19:22.44 | dmdavis | brailsmt: I can burn you a CD if you can get to my office in Orem |
| 19:23.47 | Hanuman | brailsmt: OS X "just works" :) |
| 19:24.24 | Hanuman | Tell him to buy a Mac :) |
| 19:25.06 | Hanuman | Anyone here ever worked in IT for a media company? |
| 19:27.07 | Mecworks | I have a friend who used to work in IT for KSL. |
| 19:27.20 | Mecworks | lopng time ago though. |
| 19:29.49 | Hanuman | I'm interviewing with Media General here on the Southeast coast to work in their IT department |
| 19:29.58 | Hanuman | I was wondering what I should look out for |
| 19:30.28 | Hanuman | I'd be working with their content-delivery systems |
| 19:30.29 | HarleyPig | Did you hear about the budhhist monk who refused novocaine at the dentist office? |
| 19:30.39 | HarleyPig | He wanted to transcend dental medication! |
| 19:30.52 | Hanuman | ~groan |
| 19:31.14 | Hanuman | ibot needs to learn to groan |
| 19:31.17 | | Hanuman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:31.39 | Mecworks | Hanuman: Hm. good question. I believe that KSL would be different than almost any other media company. |
| 19:32.11 | Mecworks | He did stuff like managing their backup system, perl scripting, etc. |
| 19:32.31 | Hanuman | yeah, being owned by the LDS church they would be slightly different I'd imagine |
| 19:33.07 | Hanuman | This one owns newspapers, tv stations, internet information sites all throughout the Southeast US |
| 19:33.19 | Hanuman | it would be nice to work for a big company for once, though |
| 19:33.50 | Hanuman | (my interview on Wed will be interesting - they're taking me to a pub and I don't drink) |
| 19:34.10 | Hanuman | at least I can get the truth out of them about the company ;-) |
| 19:34.21 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 19:41.55 | brailsmt | dmdavis: being that I am Kansas City Missouri i don't think I can make it to your office today... |
| 19:41.59 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 19:53.52 | dmdavis | brailsmt: oh, don't worry. I won't have it till tomorrow. :) |
| 19:54.13 | HarleyPig | http://media.harleypig.com/video/fatdance.mpg |
| 19:54.33 | HarleyPig | http://media.harleypig.com/video/hotchick.mpg |
| 19:54.36 | HarleyPig | Both work safe. |
| 19:56.40 | tensai | dmdavis: for gige you need a wire supporting TIA-568A. Just about all cat5 is certified such |
| 19:56.57 | tensai | it only runs at full speed. there's no full duplex or half duplex. |
| 19:57.47 | tensai | hans: I made some sourdough pizza yesterday. mmmm |
| 19:58.14 | dmdavis | tensai: thanks |
| 20:04.40 | tensai | HarleyPig: only for small values of "safe". I got a couple "what the...?" from hotchick |
| 20:05.05 | dmdavis | I gave a "what the...?" myself |
| 20:05.15 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, that you dancing? |
| 20:07.15 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I don't get the hotchick one |
| 20:08.33 | Hanuman | oh - that second one is just sick |
| 20:11.02 | Hanuman | I don't think that one is appropriate for anywhere |
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| 20:18.46 | tensai | Jayce^: don't tell me this is the first time you've been disgusted at /. comments |
| 20:20.52 | Jayce^ | no, not at all |
| 20:21.09 | Jayce^ | and *really* is feeling conservative. |
| 20:26.45 | tensai | I'm not a big GW Bush fan but I skipped all the comments on that poll after the first couple sentences of the first post I saw. |
| 20:27.47 | Hanuman | I think us programmers are the least shy about our personal beliefs and opinions |
| 20:28.13 | Hanuman | Every other profession I know tends to keep to themselves for some reason - wonder why |
| 20:30.33 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:31.21 | Jayce^ | Dean? |
| 20:31.28 | jakea | I said ANY |
| 20:31.44 | jakea | Barney the Dinosaur could do a better job |
| 20:31.59 | jakea | Hulk Hogan... |
| 20:32.09 | jakea | ANYBODY |
| 20:32.29 | Jayce^ | so... why? |
| 20:32.39 | Hanuman | Jayce^: are you a Michael Savage fan? |
| 20:32.48 | Hanuman | sorry - that was supposed to go to jakea |
| 20:32.55 | Hanuman | tab-complete didn't work right |
| 20:32.57 | jakea | but, ya, unfortunately, not a lot of options on the Democratic side either.... so I don't see the dictatorship ending too soon |
| 20:34.19 | jakea | so... a liberal jakea and conservative Jayce^ doesn't make for a good discussion and keep friends, so... |
| 20:34.22 | Hanuman | yeah, why would you prefer a democrat over Bush? |
| 20:34.48 | jakea | I'd prefer the lint in my bellybutton over bush |
| 20:34.49 | tensai | we had a discussion here this morning and I conceded that I'd rather have Clinton over GW |
| 20:34.59 | Hanuman | jakea: why? |
| 20:35.16 | Jayce^ | tensai, ewwwww |
| 20:35.19 | Jayce^ | :_) |
| 20:35.22 | tensai | Hanuman: are you kidding? have you *seen* jakea's bellybutton? |
| 20:35.32 | Hanuman | hey - at least Clinton gave us some good laughs |
| 20:35.37 | tensai | Jayce^: it really surprised me |
| 20:35.52 | Hanuman | is it that good looking? :-) |
| 20:36.25 | Jayce^ | tensai, I definately wouldnt'... I much prefer bush to clinton, or the current top democratic candidates.. |
| 20:36.37 | tensai | Hanuman: oh yeah, I'd vote for it for Pope. |
| 20:36.40 | Jayce^ | this is not saying I like everything he does.. just better than... |
| 20:37.05 | jakea | what is worse? Screwing the intern? Or screwing the country? |
| 20:37.44 | Hanuman | jakea: how is he screwing the country? You still haven't answered that. |
| 20:37.53 | Jayce^ | jakea, I see clinton as screwing the country.. |
| 20:38.22 | neybar_work | and everything else that moves |
| 20:38.27 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you want a funny book - get "Clinton and Me", by Michael Graham |
| 20:38.50 | jakea | he lied about WOMD in Iraq |
| 20:39.10 | Jayce^ | jakea, no, he went on what he was told |
| 20:39.15 | jakea | he lied about Osama being connected to Saddam |
| 20:40.07 | Hanuman | jakea: How can you say he lied? Do you know specifically that he told something that he didn't believe to be true? |
| 20:40.18 | Hanuman | and how do you know that? |
| 20:40.35 | Jayce^ | jakea, and clinton lied about lots of things.. and most of those are proven.. |
| 20:40.37 | neybar_work | the WOMD haven't been found, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist |
| 20:40.42 | levi | Hanuman: How do you know he didn't lie? Can you support your view to the same standard you're asking? |
| 20:40.42 | Jayce^ | bush is going on the information that he is given |
| 20:40.47 | jakea | no he lied lied lied, and he knew it. Look at the timeline of when the research was done on the whole South Africa thing and his speach. His people had plenty of time to confirm the data |
| 20:40.52 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:41.04 | Hanuman | So far all reports and studies I've seen have shown that the information put in front of him left him with the choices he made as the best ones to make |
| 20:41.23 | jakea | the investigation was done MONTHS before, the the administation was told the results MONTHS before |
| 20:41.26 | Hanuman | jakea: so far all you have is an opinion |
| 20:41.37 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, that's what the president does.. he has no choice but to rely on the information given to him |
| 20:41.45 | Hanuman | Jayce^: exactly |
| 20:42.45 | Hanuman | levi: If you really want I'll show you plenty of research showing that the president did not knowingly make the wrong decisions |
| 20:42.49 | jakea | a week ago in the paper, Powell claimed that there was no convincing evidence or smoking gun that Osama and Saddam were linked |
| 20:43.07 | Jayce^ | jakea, yeah, he knows that *now*.. |
| 20:43.31 | jakea | yet before we went to war, they claimed there was |
| 20:43.32 | Jayce^ | besides the fact, that saddam needed to go as for 10 years ago |
| 20:43.43 | jakea | ya, and guess who put him in power |
| 20:43.45 | jakea | the USA |
| 20:43.55 | jakea | +helped |
| 20:44.03 | Jayce^ | jakea, that's what the CIA was telling the administration.. |
| 20:44.26 | Hanuman | Even if he made the wrong decision with misknowledge, can't you agree that Iraq is better off now? I can guarantee that having an Uncle that is over there rebuilding Baghdad |
| 20:44.54 | Jayce^ | so jakea, your opinion on iraq right now.. do you agree with what the papers/new show.. that they must all hate us, and want us out? |
| 20:45.18 | tensai | Hanuman: do the ends justify the means? |
| 20:45.19 | Jayce^ | as the average /. reader will point out, and say that's a fact.. |
| 20:45.19 | Hanuman | The letters he sends back are extremely touching - he is building a new government and the people under him have never even seen freedom before. |
| 20:45.39 | jakea | I have no doubt that Saddam and his sons where bad |
| 20:45.49 | jakea | I have no doubt that they did horrible things |
| 20:45.55 | Hanuman | tensai: no, but I'm saying don't blame it on Bush. Iraq is still in a better state now than it was before no matter what the reason was for going in there. |
| 20:46.02 | Jayce^ | the actuallity is the opposite.. friends/relatives say it's quite the opposite.. people regularly want their autographs.. come out to thank them, etc.. |
| 20:46.19 | jakea | but the justification we got was wrong to go there |
| 20:47.00 | Hanuman | Jayce^: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0964855321/qid=1074544728//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/104-9424868-1293555?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 20:47.38 | Hanuman | jakea: the justification we got was misinformation partially due to Saddam playing dangerous games with the US government |
| 20:48.03 | Jayce^ | jakea, there was enough justification in his breaking of the armistice.. |
| 20:48.13 | Hanuman | the justification was right, the information was wrong |
| 20:48.23 | Jayce^ | technically, we were already at war with them, but had drawn it out over the whole clinton administration.. |
| 20:48.47 | Hanuman | and I agree, Bush's father made a big mistake pulling out |
| 20:48.47 | levi | I don't blame Bush himself, but I feel like we were manipulated into supporting the war by the government in general, who I feel was at least irresponsible in their intelligence and decisions, if not outright lying. That's just the feeling I get from what I've seen. |
| 20:48.49 | Jayce^ | we had plenty of justification.. |
| 20:49.45 | Hanuman | levi: I think it had a lot to do with the games Saddam was playing with us - he was playing Russian roulet (sp?) with a government that could wipe him out |
| 20:50.05 | Jayce^ | what's interesting is how recently, the papers talk about bush discussion an invsion before 9/11.. |
| 20:50.17 | Hanuman | Our CIA was going with the information they had and the games Saddam was playing with them |
| 20:50.29 | Jayce^ | thing is, they were clintons contingency plans.. which they have prepared for every country, just in case.. |
| 20:50.42 | Jayce^ | but now the media is pointing to bush, saying it's all him, and he's just a warmonger.. |
| 20:50.45 | levi | Hanuman: Yes, but I think the government picked the 'evidence' that supported the actions they wanted, rather than trying to ascertain the real truth. |
| 20:50.54 | Hanuman | yeah - Bush was talking in his campaign that Saddam needed out back in 2000 |
| 20:51.01 | levi | Inasmuch as the 'real truth' could ever be found. |
| 20:51.24 | Jayce^ | if he is such a warmonger, why have we made such *huge* advances with libya... and his attempting to keep discussion open withNK.. |
| 20:51.35 | Jayce^ | of course, I think NK should be something that get's more attention |
| 20:52.00 | levi | I'm not saying Bush is a warmonger in general, just that he manipulated the public to attain his goal of invading Iraq. |
| 20:52.05 | Hanuman | levi: you are right on that - we may never know if it was conspiracy or not, as is the case with most decisions most presidents make |
| 20:53.02 | Hanuman | I think we just have to trust the president, take the knowledge we are given and the situations we are in, and vote based on the current state of where the country is |
| 20:54.17 | Hanuman | If the decisions the president (democrat, republican, green, or what) makes lead to a better country, a more peaceful world, etc. you have to trust them and let them make the decisions they make |
| 20:54.29 | Hanuman | As long as the truth you are hearing conforms to your own beliefs |
| 20:54.39 | jakea | better country? |
| 20:54.46 | jakea | how many jobs have we lost now? |
| 20:54.54 | jakea | how much debt are we in now? |
| 20:54.55 | Hanuman | jakea: let's not even go there... |
| 20:54.57 | Jayce^ | jakea, so question, what makes bush's actions with Iraq, and other countries worse that what clinton did with somalia, yugoslavia, etc.. |
| 20:55.03 | jakea | and you say.... it's a better country? |
| 20:55.22 | jakea | I never said clinton was perfect |
| 20:55.34 | jakea | I thought we were talking about Bush et al |
| 20:55.35 | neybar_work | you can't fairly pin the economy on bush... any incoming president would have had the .com bust in his lap |
| 20:55.36 | Jayce^ | jakea, jobs? economy... one of the first things you learn in economics classes is that economic policy takes at least 4 years to be seen |
| 20:55.42 | Hanuman | jakea: the country is almost in a better economic situation now than it was when Clinton left |
| 20:56.08 | Jayce^ | jakea, we are living in the decisions clinton made from the mid to end of his term |
| 20:56.16 | Hanuman | and I guarantee by the time elections come, jobs will be near that as well |
| 20:56.26 | jakea | funny, I wasn't unemployed for a year when Clinton was president, and since Bush was elected, I finished my BS and got an MS |
| 20:56.45 | Hanuman | jakea: what year were you unemployed? |
| 20:56.51 | jakea | 2003 |
| 20:57.11 | jakea | but ya, lets blame it on Clinton |
| 20:57.11 | Hanuman | and what led to that unemployment? (what happened to your company?) |
| 20:57.17 | levi | You really can't blame the current economy on a single president. There are too many variables and too much chaos in the system. |
| 20:57.21 | jakea | graduatation |
| 20:57.22 | Jayce^ | jakea, yeah, clintons economic policies didn't show up till the end of hist term, and bush's.. |
| 20:57.23 | Hanuman | levi: exactly |
| 20:57.53 | Hanuman | and the economy was already beginning to slump before Clinton left office |
| 20:58.00 | jakea | yes, you can't blame it all on on man, but he certainly has not been helping the situation |
| 20:58.10 | Hanuman | but it's levi's point I'm trying to make |
| 20:58.38 | Jayce^ | if anything, you would have an easier time blaming the loss of corporate ethics on clinton, than any other (although, it is a far bigger problem than just him... far bigger) |
| 20:59.15 | jakea | ya, it was Clinton that was buds with the Enron guy... |
| 20:59.30 | jakea | and had him visiting the white house soon after his election... |
| 20:59.34 | jakea | no wait, that was Bush |
| 20:59.44 | Hanuman | jakea: no, but it was Clinton who wasn't paying attention as the Enron guy was stealing from his company |
| 21:00.07 | Hanuman | Clinton had "other" things he was paying attention to |
| 21:00.14 | Jayce^ | jakea, exactly.. when was he caught.. the previous administration fostered that type of economy.. |
| 21:00.51 | jakea | so, can Bush do no wrong? |
| 21:01.02 | jakea | is there anything you cannot justfy in some way in your mind |
| 21:01.31 | Hanuman | I don't like the CAN-SPAM act |
| 21:01.37 | Bradipo | I don't either. |
| 21:01.48 | Bradipo | I don't like spam either though. |
| 21:01.54 | Jayce^ | jakea, no, I dont' say that at all |
| 21:01.56 | Hanuman | I think there are many areas in technology that could be attacked better |
| 21:02.03 | Bradipo | The reason why I don't like it is because it won't actually solve the problem. |
| 21:02.11 | Mecworks | I certainly doesn't seem to be working. I receive 250+ spam every day. |
| 21:02.15 | Hanuman | Bradipo: I agree |
| 21:02.18 | Jayce^ | I'm just pointing out that many areas I think he is doing good... he is not the evil that so many people are saying he is now.. quite the opposite |
| 21:02.19 | Bradipo | And it is more likely to hurt legitimate mailers than spammers. |
| 21:02.48 | Hanuman | jakea: I also don't like Bush's larger government that he has created |
| 21:02.49 | Bradipo | Mecworks: I actually don't receive more than one or two spam per month. |
| 21:02.56 | Bradipo | But I have some pretty hefty measures put in place. |
| 21:02.58 | Jayce^ | heck, even the lds prophet has very good things to say about bush, and his policy decisions about our security and the family.. |
| 21:03.13 | Bradipo | I think Bush is doing alright. |
| 21:03.18 | Hanuman | he said some of the same things about Clinton too, though |
| 21:03.22 | Jayce^ | but I disagree with a lot of his decisions... he's just the better of the choices that I see as most prominent |
| 21:03.37 | Bradipo | If there were a better choice, I would probably go with the better choice, but this year it isn't coming from the Democrats. |
| 21:03.59 | jakea | Bradipo: Ya, I'd have to agree with that |
| 21:04.43 | Hanuman | My choice right now is to look at the current state of the nation and if there is a candidate who has proven to have made it better than another of the candidates I will vote for that person. |
| 21:04.49 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, exactly my opinion |
| 21:04.52 | Hanuman | (in the last 4 years) |
| 21:05.05 | jakea | Micheal Moore wants Oprah to run |
| 21:05.35 | Bradipo | While we're talking politics... http://www.buckfush.com/ |
| 21:06.00 | Mecworks | Bradipo: Well, receiving spam in my mail box is one thing (my filters catch 99.9% of all spam). I also only get one of two in my mailbox/mo. I do, however, have a box where all my caught spam goes. That's how I know how much I'm getting. bogofilter rocks. |
| 21:06.29 | Bradipo | I don't actually know how much spam I'm missing because a lot of it is rejected during SMTP. |
| 21:06.38 | Bradipo | But I do have one account that only gets spam. |
| 21:06.41 | Bradipo | No legitimate email. |
| 21:07.00 | Mecworks | nice. use it to train a bayesian filter... 8^) |
| 21:07.41 | Bradipo | Well unfortunately it wouldn't train it well. |
| 21:07.53 | Bradipo | Because the spam that goes there may not be the same kind of spam I actually get on my real address. |
| 21:08.11 | Bradipo | In fact, I get so little spam that I have had a hard time training my bayesian filter. |
| 21:09.32 | Bradipo | Isn't he one of the candidates? |
| 21:09.36 | Jayce^ | made the movie 'bowling for columbine'... |
| 21:09.55 | Jayce^ | made up a lot of crap, to support his opinons, and made a mock documentary... |
| 21:10.10 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, you mean mandy moore :) and yes.. very |
| 21:10.18 | Mecworks | s/many/mandy/g |
| 21:10.22 | Mecworks | yes... 8^) |
| 21:11.25 | Bradipo | I don't understand that either. |
| 21:11.37 | Bradipo | What the freak are we going to do on the moon? |
| 21:12.16 | Bradipo | Care to list a few? |
| 21:12.17 | Hanuman | Jayce^: why? I can only think of the geek factor |
| 21:12.28 | Hanuman | Political stature |
| 21:12.29 | Jayce^ | a) medical science... there are a lot of new drug research that is proving possible in low/no gravity locations |
| 21:12.46 | Jayce^ | that's a really big one for the drug/disease research area |
| 21:12.47 | Hanuman | so why can't we do that on the Space station? |
| 21:12.55 | emcnabb | http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/ |
| 21:13.02 | Bradipo | If you could find a cure for cancer on the moon I suppose I could live with that. |
| 21:13.04 | emcnabb | finally, no more flash banner ads |
| 21:13.10 | Mecworks | A communications station and other such technology aspects would be good. However, I think if we focussed on feading the starving first, that would be better. |
| 21:13.12 | Jayce^ | space, facilities, material |
| 21:13.23 | Jayce^ | there is a lot of materiel, laying around for use.. |
| 21:13.40 | emcnabb | I think we should reduce the deficit |
| 21:14.00 | Mecworks | yep, thats a good use of money. |
| 21:14.00 | emcnabb | atleast Clinton did that |
| 21:14.07 | Jayce^ | the technology development.. |
| 21:14.15 | HarleyPig | crap for crap. |
| 21:14.26 | jakea | setting a goal to do something like go to the moon pushes the limits of technology, forcing us to develop it more.... |
| 21:14.37 | Bradipo | Mecworks: How about eliminating our country's deficits? |
| 21:14.49 | jakea | if it was not for the Space Race in the 60's, computers whould not be as advanced as they are today |
| 21:15.04 | Jayce^ | think of the growth in battery technology will help reduce our reliance on fossil fuels.. |
| 21:15.09 | Bradipo | That's another good point. |
| 21:15.14 | Hanuman | jakea: yeah, but that's only space technology - what else can be developed that can't be outpaced by a business? |
| 21:15.21 | Bradipo | I want better solar power. |
| 21:15.28 | Hanuman | That's true |
| 21:15.34 | jakea | the idea to make things smaller and lighter... |
| 21:16.02 | Hanuman | I think it would be a better idea to be funding individual companies to do this, but then again, would it even work to do so? |
| 21:16.03 | Mecworks | Bradipo: yep, another good use. |
| 21:16.04 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: have time for a regex question? |
| 21:16.11 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, alternative rocket fuels... growth in computer tech.. |
| 21:16.11 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, sure.. |
| 21:16.22 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you're starting to convince me |
| 21:16.53 | jakea | the thing is though.... making things and testing things here is one thing, making them go to the Moon is another |
| 21:16.54 | Hanuman | At least having the government sponsor such activity the information remains out in the open |
| 21:17.12 | jakea | the harder the problem, the more you learn on the way to solving it |
| 21:17.15 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, just look at the apollo missions, and such.. look how much technology we have from that.. |
| 21:17.30 | jakea | We got Tang from going into space! |
| 21:17.31 | HarleyPig | k. $html =~ s/(<select.*?name=(['"])(.*?)\2.*?>)/&check_option( $3, $1 )/sgie |
| 21:17.32 | jakea | ;) |
| 21:17.33 | Hanuman | yeah - that makes sense |
| 21:17.35 | Hanuman | jakea: lol |
| 21:17.36 | Jayce^ | the radiation study, for protecting astronauts from solar flares/ etc.. will be very good for us |
| 21:18.05 | HarleyPig | check option looks for $3 as an option and if it's there then mark it as checked in $1. |
| 21:18.09 | jakea | you guys want to know a little something that I heard Bush left out of his speech (key word heard, I have not read it yet) |
| 21:18.29 | jakea | we, the USA, currently do not possess the technology to go the moon |
| 21:18.39 | jakea | we know how to make it |
| 21:18.39 | HarleyPig | It works but the return value isn't being put in $html. |
| 21:18.49 | jakea | but we currently don't have it |
| 21:18.53 | Hanuman | well, we don't |
| 21:18.55 | Jayce^ | jakea, we do not have any 'working' technology... that was the key they were trying to hit in the speech.. |
| 21:19.00 | Jayce^ | exactly.. |
| 21:19.10 | jakea | got to the moon, meaning putting people there, probes, ya we have that |
| 21:19.15 | jakea | okay |
| 21:19.16 | Hanuman | The old technology is all corroded and demolished |
| 21:19.24 | jakea | like I said, I have not read it yet |
| 21:19.29 | Jayce^ | I heard about that same thing.. but it was retracted because too many people would claim it was a 'bushism'.. |
| 21:19.44 | Jayce^ | instead of seeing the point they were trying to make |
| 21:20.08 | jakea | my astronomy professor said there was a whole big thing about destroying it all way back when |
| 21:20.15 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, 'use re "debugcolor";' should help you.. |
| 21:20.43 | Jayce^ | I liked the comment one person made about that... nasa being turned into glorified 'truckers' over the last 30 years |
| 21:20.44 | jakea | so not only are we going to have to build a replacement for the Saturn 5 rocket again, but the facilities to do it |
| 21:20.50 | jakea | lol |
| 21:20.59 | Hanuman | jakea: what do you mean - we never 'really' went to the moon. ;-) |
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| 21:21.11 | Jayce^ | well, better than the saturn 5... hopefully more reusable parts.. |
| 21:21.16 | HarleyPig | Not really ... the match is being found in both the regex and the regex in the subroutine ... the return value isn't being used as far as I can tell. use re 'debug' only shows matches, not what's done with them. |
| 21:21.19 | jakea | -s |
| 21:21.45 | jakea | oh... you're giving me a hard time |
| 21:21.54 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 21:22.00 | jakea | badastronomy.com |
| 21:22.15 | Jayce^ | jakea, musta figured you for a tin foil hat person.. be a leftie and all :p |
| 21:22.21 | jakea | lol |
| 21:22.42 | jakea | I'm a big fan of the X-file, but extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence |
| 21:22.46 | Hanuman | I think Bush is really an alien |
| 21:22.55 | Hanuman | from Mars that wants to get back to his planet |
| 21:22.56 | HarleyPig | Y'know ... cat5 is much better at deflecting rf ... so the tin foil types should be better off with cat5 hats. |
| 21:23.09 | jakea | Clinton and Dole were in that Simpsons episode |
| 21:23.11 | Jayce^ | I am definately for the idea of going back to the moon and beyond.. it could do wonders for our country (purpose, tech jobs, scientific research in so many areas).. |
| 21:23.24 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, no, cat-7, with shielding.. |
| 21:23.25 | jakea | the way I see it is this |
| 21:23.31 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 21:23.35 | jakea | we set a goal to go to the Moon, and beyond |
| 21:23.40 | jakea | people have to be smart |
| 21:23.54 | Jayce^ | cat5 doesn't deflect (it's unshielded).. just the twists help it ignore interference, and keep it's own strength |
| 21:23.57 | jakea | so we will have to put $$$ in many more places besides NASA |
| 21:24.01 | jakea | education.... etc |
| 21:24.32 | jakea | it makes jobs, it makes new technology, I think it's a good thing |
| 21:24.41 | Jayce^ | jakea, but that does that.. first, it will use interns (jobs, and training for school).. it's also a very 'glorified' project.. people will want to go to school, so they can go there.. |
| 21:24.42 | jakea | 1 billion over 5 years won't do it, but it's a starty |
| 21:24.45 | jakea | -y |
| 21:24.54 | jakea | ya |
| 21:24.58 | Jayce^ | it also gives a place to actually work and pay off the @#$@ student loans |
| 21:25.07 | jakea | well said |
| 21:25.18 | Jayce^ | besides, nasa has to send that money out to all their contractors |
| 21:25.25 | Jayce^ | those that build the parts, places like JPL, etc.. |
| 21:25.40 | jakea | ya, I just hope they get all their conversions right |
| 21:25.45 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:25.46 | jakea | or stick to the metric system |
| 21:25.48 | Hanuman | well you guys have convinced me. I just needed good arguments to support an idea I liked but didn't make sense |
| 21:25.51 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, can I help? |
| 21:25.52 | jakea | as they should be doing anyway |
| 21:26.10 | jakea | do a search on the net for like.... technology from space |
| 21:26.15 | jakea | you'll find some good stuff |
| 21:26.16 | HarleyPig | 'View Source' on the html and the return data *is* being used. I'm just using the wrong attribute. |
| 21:26.18 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: it's not *actually* a 2x4 |
| 21:26.19 | Jayce^ | I used to be absolutely for the metric, now I know their is some purpose to imperial mesurement |
| 21:26.27 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:26.36 | jakea | I'm totally metric 100% |
| 21:26.39 | HarleyPig | For a select it shouldbe selected="selected" not checked="checked" |
| 21:26.51 | jakea | our numbers are in base 10, our units should be too |
| 21:27.04 | HarleyPig | Our numbers should be in base 16 though. |
| 21:27.06 | Jayce^ | imperial mesurement is actually better for fractional math... before calculators it was easier to use for complex mathematics |
| 21:27.08 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: according to w3 standards, yes - I hate that one, though. It's a stupid standard. |
| 21:27.32 | Hanuman | I think it should be selected="true" if anything |
| 21:27.59 | jakea | I'm waiting for football to be played on a 100 meter field |
| 21:28.00 | jakea | ;) |
| 21:28.08 | Jayce^ | just look at the nephite coinage as an example.. seems complex to us, but actually, you almost always have less change.. |
| 21:28.17 | Jayce^ | of course, I suck at math, and fractions.. so I hate it all.. |
| 21:28.20 | HarleyPig | Hanuman: Yeah, but it should be the same for selects and radio/check buttons. |
| 21:28.59 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: yeah, although I think there is a difference between "checked" and "selected" |
| 21:29.17 | Hanuman | but I think they should all be ="true", rather than their own names |
| 21:29.37 | Hanuman | or = "false" should you *really* want to be specific |
| 21:30.04 | Hanuman | but I see what you mean |
| 21:30.04 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... if wishes were fishes and all that. |
| 21:31.04 | jakea | Hanuman: http://www.allsands.com/Science/spaceexploratio_vfv_gn.htm |
| 21:34.00 | emcnabb | ChangeSet 2004/01/10 16:25:41-05:00, emcnabb @ cs.byu.edu [diffview] |
| 21:34.00 | emcnabb | [wireless orinoco_pci] add Vaio PCI id |
| 21:34.05 | emcnabb | 2.6.2 |
| 21:34.07 | emcnabb | oh yeah! |
| 21:34.18 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:34.21 | HarleyPig | Is there anyplace that details the source of everyday items? |
| 21:34.21 | Hanuman | My main question still is would there be anything we could benefit from being on the moon and Mars vs doing it in earth's orbit? |
| 21:34.33 | Hanuman | But that was an interesting article. |
| 21:34.38 | HarleyPig | Hanuman: Always push your envelope. |
| 21:34.52 | HarleyPig | If you're not pushing your envelope you're missing out on something. |
| 21:35.08 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I'm good at that |
| 21:35.41 | Hanuman | I agree with you guys and I see that it's a possibility, and most likely will bring better technology |
| 21:36.11 | Hanuman | I just have to think about it some more to finally "gain my testimony" of man on the Moon/Mars travel |
| 21:36.27 | Hanuman | I'll be there some day - just give me some time ;-) |
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| 21:38.09 | Jayce^ | don't forget the amount of minerals available in a single asteroid for mining.. instead of mining native earth resources |
| 21:40.14 | Hanuman | Has anyone else heard of this "Bagle Worm"? |
| 21:40.39 | Hanuman | It was just posted on Bugtraq as possibly being a "*BIG*" threat |
| 21:41.02 | emcnabb | Hanuman, I've received several of them |
| 21:41.11 | emcnabb | luckily I use mutt :-) |
| 21:41.38 | Hanuman | emcnabb: got any URL's for info on it? |
| 21:41.48 | byron | I picked up two of the emails today |
| 21:41.49 | Hanuman | guess I could check google |
| 21:42.50 | emcnabb | symantic's website |
| 21:43.01 | byron | http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.beagle.a@mm.html |
| 21:43.34 | emcnabb | Hanuman, if you want I'll forward you one |
| 21:43.37 | emcnabb | or two |
| 21:44.01 | Hanuman | emcnabb: that's okay |
| 21:44.17 | Hanuman | I think our AV programs have stopped any of them because I haven't seen any |
| 21:44.26 | Hanuman | Haven't gotten any at home either |
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| 21:52.52 | Jayce^ | 'le findlay |
| 21:52.54 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 21:53.16 | findlay | Does anyone have a working gentoo /etc/X11/XF86Config that I could use? |
| 21:53.40 | dmdavis | yeah |
| 21:53.42 | Tenebram1 | what would be different for gentoo? |
| 21:54.10 | findlay | nothing, except that I have to write it. :) |
| 21:54.29 | dmdavis | can't you use xf86config? |
| 21:54.38 | Tenebram1 | you'll have to customize anyone else's just as much as you would the default |
| 21:54.48 | findlay | perhaps nothing different from my fedora XF86Config, but I can't seem to get the gentoo one working yet |
| 21:55.02 | dmdavis | you can have mine if you want |
| 21:55.24 | findlay | I've tried xf86config, and using the fedora one. No success yet |
| 21:55.38 | dmdavis | what's the error? |
| 21:55.40 | findlay | how do I go about getting it? |
| 21:56.07 | findlay | the display comes up with the X cursor in the middle, yet no WM and no mouse |
| 21:56.09 | Bradipo | I have yet to see one copy of the beagle virus. |
| 21:56.49 | emcnabb | Bradipo, what is your e-mail address :-) |
| 21:57.05 | Bradipo | Wouldn't make it anyway. |
| 21:57.22 | Bradipo | Our qmail-smtpd is patched to reject executable content. :-) |
| 21:58.10 | Hanuman | Bradipo: I think f-prot must be stopping all of mine |
| 21:58.58 | dmdavis | findlay: you going to get it? |
| 21:59.01 | Hanuman | I've gotten a couple of weird return mail with no content, though. That's been a bit suspicious... |
| 21:59.35 | findlay | I'm still educating myself on how, note this post to the world :) |
| 21:59.47 | dmdavis | type /dcc get dmdavis |
| 22:00.06 | dmdavis | I had to educate myself a second ago on how to send it. :) |
| 22:00.51 | findlay | xchat tells me the DCC request from dmdavis was malformed :/ |
| 22:01.00 | dmdavis | I'll try again |
| 22:01.21 | dmdavis | same? |
| 22:01.27 | findlay | yes. |
| 22:01.57 | dmdavis | hmmm... I can email it to you, but if you type your email address so that emcnabb can see it, he'll send you the bagel worm. :) |
| 22:02.19 | findlay | findlay @ cosmic . utah . edu |
| 22:02.42 | findlay | :) |
| 22:02.58 | byron | findlay: If you get the cursor, your XF86Config file is probably fine... how are you starting X? |
| 22:03.11 | findlay | # startx |
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| 22:04.27 | byron | findlay: hmmm... try dropping a line like 'exec /usr/X11R6/bin/twm' in your .xinitrc |
| 22:04.57 | Hanuman | hehe - spambayes has a really hard time getting bugtraq e-mail correctly identified as Ham |
| 22:05.01 | byron | findlay: on the mouse problem, do you have a USB mouse? |
| 22:05.10 | Hanuman | probably rightfully so |
| 22:05.45 | findlay | no, I feel as if I am talking on the phone, i.e. the other party is not audible |
| 22:06.14 | findlay | how do I direct a message to a single user? |
| 22:08.10 | dmdavis | type /msg byron |
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| 22:44.27 | HarleyPig | w00t! I finally got Knoppix working on this computer. |
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| 22:52.32 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 22:56.38 | brailsmt | dangit, how do I open another X server and open apps in it? I tried "Xnest :1" but then when I run "kahakai --display :1" I get 'AUDIT: Mon Jan 19 16:53:17 2004: 17924 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host' errors |
| 23:37.36 | Tenebram1 | hrmm |