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| 00:33.15 | Tenebram | IBOT! |
| 00:37.39 | HarleyPig | http://www.reallifecomics.com/daily.php?strip_id=124 |
| 00:37.55 | HarleyPig | Dangit Jayce^, I've got work to do and there you go posting a link to reallife comics. |
| 00:38.05 | HarleyPig | Oh... wait ... that was me. |
| 00:38.30 | Tenebram | hehe |
| 00:42.01 | HarleyPig | Well ... I was looking at your links and ran across reallife comics and *somehow* my mouse clicked itself on the link. |
| 00:42.56 | Jayce^ | lol.. |
| 00:43.02 | Jayce^ | that's an *old* link |
| 00:43.18 | HarleyPig | It's been awhile since I just read through it. |
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| 02:53.12 | byron | Anyone at the plug meeting? |
| 02:54.55 | Ryan1 | not I |
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| 03:12.08 | torriem | #utah is pretty quiet now that emcnabb has a woman to spend time with now... |
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| 03:30.37 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 03:32.31 | Mecworks | ~quote SCOX |
| 03:32.42 | Mecworks | ~quote NOVL |
| 03:32.53 | torriem | :) |
| 03:33.14 | Mecworks | ~quote IBM |
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| 04:58.35 | Hanuman | OSX rules - just got multiple desktops working |
| 04:58.43 | torriem | with what software? |
| 04:58.53 | Hanuman | alt-(apple)-right, left changes desktops |
| 04:59.02 | torriem | Panther has that built-in? |
| 04:59.03 | torriem | wow |
| 04:59.05 | Hanuman | a program called space |
| 04:59.09 | torriem | oh |
| 04:59.10 | Hanuman | it's not builtin |
| 04:59.11 | torriem | cool |
| 04:59.54 | Hanuman | http://space.sf.net |
| 04:59.56 | torriem | thanks |
| 05:01.57 | BigDog | doesnt you linux desktop do that? |
| 05:02.33 | Hanuman | the stickies or the multiple desktops? |
| 05:02.40 | BigDog | both? |
| 05:03.26 | Hanuman | don't know of a stickie program for Linux but I imagine there is one. Yes, Linux does do multiple desktops, but Mac is just so much more superior in usability |
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| 05:03.46 | BigDog | true |
| 05:04.34 | Hanuman | Now w/ space installed my 12" powerbook is much easier to develop on |
| 05:04.45 | BigDog | does macX support window managers? |
| 05:05.11 | Hanuman | you can install X for OSX, but I'm not sure which window managers will work with it |
| 05:05.21 | Hanuman | I know KDE is coming close |
| 05:05.24 | Hanuman | if they aren't there already |
| 05:05.35 | BigDog | cool...when icewm is there...so am i |
| 05:05.44 | Hanuman | I don't see the reason though - Panther is way superior to anything Linux has IMO |
| 05:06.56 | Hanuman | *but* being based on FreeBSD gives alot of freedom |
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| 05:07.06 | Hanuman | and you could if you wanted |
| 05:07.10 | BigDog | that is what i find interesting |
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| 05:07.18 | torriem | Hanuman: what was that link again? |
| 05:07.21 | BigDog | built on freebsd |
| 05:07.37 | Hanuman | torriem: http://space.sf.net |
| 05:07.55 | Hanuman | BigDog: yup - and works even better IMO |
| 05:08.18 | torriem | Hanuman: thanks |
| 05:08.21 | torriem | downloading it now. |
| 05:08.28 | Hanuman | safari, being based on Konq kills konq any day |
| 05:08.53 | torriem | OS X is cool. I do like linux better, though. |
| 05:08.54 | BigDog | that is what some mac users have stated...however, not a big konq user...mozilla |
| 05:09.31 | Hanuman | torriem: linux is cool, but for a desktop linux can't compare |
| 05:09.45 | Hanuman | hopefully linux will be there someday on the desktop |
| 05:10.03 | Hanuman | I think ideally everyone should serve out of Linux, with OSX on the desktop |
| 05:10.06 | torriem | Oh I don't know. I'm just more comfortable with linux. I really hate the fonts in OS x too |
| 05:10.27 | torriem | And the mouse acceleration curve |
| 05:10.32 | Hanuman | you can always change the fonts, just as in Linux |
| 05:10.40 | Hanuman | that's configurable too |
| 05:10.59 | Hanuman | I do agree it takes some getting used to, though |
| 05:11.02 | torriem | No, not really. The rendering system cannot be altered to do any hinting. Thus the fonts are light and blurry |
| 05:11.06 | Hanuman | I'm just learning the fun stuff |
| 05:11.45 | Hanuman | hmmm..maybe I just like that about the fonts or haven't noticed one way or the other |
| 05:11.45 | torriem | Windows hints too much, perhaps. OS X doesn't hint the fonts at all. I like the linux method, which is an autohinter that finds a happy medium |
| 05:12.04 | Hanuman | what do you mean by hints? |
| 05:13.39 | torriem | Well, at small font sizes, the spine of a letter, for example, may end up being 1.5 pixels wide, and straddling a pixel boundary. If you us antilaiasing to show that, you end up with 2 pixels that are each about 60% black. (of course on non-aa, you'd get either 1 pixel or 2 pixels of solid black). With hiniting, you can push the lines closer to pixel boundaries. |
| 05:13.42 | torriem | does that make sense? |
| 05:14.46 | torriem | Hinting sacrifices the shape of the character for clarity and readability. |
| 05:15.07 | Hanuman | ahh..guess I haven't really noticed |
| 05:15.44 | torriem | Panther's fonts are a lot better than jaguars. But the problem (by design) still remains. |
| 05:16.01 | torriem | Also panther's fonts are weighted a lot darker. I prefer them a bit lighter and thinner |
| 05:16.14 | Hanuman | but then again I'm on a 12" iBook which doesn't exactly show all the details you'd want |
| 05:16.54 | torriem | I have a 12" too |
| 05:17.16 | torriem | My eyes are really sensitive to fonts. I always spend a lot of time setting things up. |
| 05:17.43 | Hanuman | not much of a font man myself - just as long as generally it looks pretty |
| 05:18.18 | Hanuman | anti-aliasing is certainly noticable for me, but anything beyond that I don't really notice |
| 05:18.53 | torriem | I also seem to me more sensitive to refresh rates then most too... |
| 05:18.57 | torriem | maybe I'm cursed. |
| 05:19.04 | Hanuman | Maybe that will change - just got glasses and I can see the computer screen much clearer now because of my stigmatism |
| 05:19.11 | torriem | Ahh |
| 05:19.35 | Hanuman | it's amazing - it's like putting a sharpen filter on an image |
| 05:19.56 | Hanuman | but only the computer and things I stare at for long periods seem to be affected |
| 05:19.59 | torriem | Some day when I have my dream screen (say paper-white, 600 dpi, reflective) then I won't care so much about font hinting or antialiasing (since it won't be needed anymore) |
| 05:20.15 | torriem | That's good. |
| 05:20.19 | Hanuman | some day... |
| 05:20.22 | torriem | Makes a real different to see the screen |
| 05:20.51 | Hanuman | thing is I thought I could before - I was just squinting, getting headaches, and putting my face up really close |
| 05:22.07 | torriem | Seems like computers in general are giving us more and more eye problems. |
| 05:25.18 | torriem | thanks for the scoop on the space program |
| 05:25.21 | torriem | have a great night |
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| 05:26.08 | Hanuman | darn - he left - the space program is great! We're going to the moon again ;-) |
| 05:26.19 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, hadn't seen space before.. |
| 05:26.29 | Jayce^ | I was playing with the codetek one.. |
| 05:26.35 | Jayce^ | but gpl is nicer |
| 05:26.38 | Hanuman | yeah - seems to work pretty nice |
| 05:26.54 | Hanuman | only complaint is that I'd like to see a preview of what is in the windows |
| 05:27.08 | Hanuman | and have a shortcut for each window number |
| 05:27.08 | neybar | anyone in here willing to admit they know ASP? |
| 05:27.17 | Hanuman | but it is gpl - guess I could contribute code for that |
| 05:27.25 | Jayce^ | codetek does that |
| 05:27.28 | Hanuman | neybar: unfortunately I don't know that one |
| 05:27.31 | Jayce^ | neybar, slacker |
| 05:27.36 | Jayce^ | you miseed a fun meeting.. |
| 05:27.45 | Jayce^ | hans won the samba 3 book |
| 05:27.59 | neybar | no... slacking would have meant I was at plug :-) |
| 05:27.59 | Hanuman | Jayce^: cool - I need to look into codetek. Is it free? |
| 05:28.12 | Hanuman | lucky hans |
| 05:29.03 | Jayce^ | no, commercial.. they have a free test version though |
| 05:29.12 | Jayce^ | only allows for 2 desktops in that version, and it nags |
| 05:30.07 | Hanuman | ahh - think I'll stick w/ space then |
| 05:30.16 | Hanuman | space allows unlimited windows |
| 05:30.20 | Hanuman | afaik |
| 05:30.56 | Tenebram | space? |
| 05:31.19 | Tenebram | ahh |
| 05:32.01 | Tenebram | spiffy |
| 05:33.59 | Jayce^ | hey Hanuman, see /. about the flaw in isa? |
| 05:35.49 | Hanuman | Jayce^: not yet |
| 05:37.03 | Jayce^ | re: voip networks |
| 05:37.27 | Hanuman | man - I was going to go to bed early tonight, too |
| 05:37.32 | Hanuman | isa server is a nightmare |
| 05:37.40 | Hanuman | never even go near that product |
| 05:40.25 | Hanuman | looks like I'll be patching tomorrow...<sigh> |
| 05:40.59 | Hanuman | well, time to do a little homework and go to bed - good night guys |
| 05:48.47 | neybar | isa? |
| 05:55.21 | Jayce^ | microsoft's firewall |
| 05:55.43 | Jayce^ | so neybar, rob said the next mandrake (10) will be coming out mid february |
| 05:55.49 | Jayce^ | will have 2.6 as default |
| 06:01.22 | neybar | sweet |
| 06:01.48 | neybar | I have a quick perl ? for you... |
| 06:02.35 | neybar | can you do &$subname ? I keep getting complaints about not using a barename when using strict |
| 06:03.12 | neybar | Can't use string ("reactivate") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use |
| 06:03.46 | neybar | $subname = "reactivate"; I have a sub reactivate in my program |
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| 06:58.10 | Tenebram | WOLFEPACK! |
| 06:58.26 | Tenebram | Gah, I didn't intend to put a 'c' in there |
| 06:59.36 | wolfepak | howdy |
| 06:59.51 | wolfepak | no prob. |
| 07:00.44 | wolfepak | what happinen in here tonight |
| 07:01.11 | Tenebram | not very much of anything |
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| 07:01.59 | wolfepak | ah. |
| 07:02.00 | Tenebram | NEWSOME! |
| 07:02.33 | Newsome | hi |
| 07:22.18 | wolfepak | so, anybody doing anything interesting? |
| 07:24.09 | Tenebram | I'm eating tortilla chips... |
| 07:24.52 | wolfepak | I am dling the howtos in pdf from tldp |
| 07:25.52 | wolfepak | cant read to much |
| 13:17.34 | hans | Jayce^: I forgot to pick up one of those shirts. Are there any XL left? |
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| 14:35.38 | Hanuman | Morning all |
| 14:49.50 | emcnabb | Hanuman, morning |
| 14:54.15 | Hanuman | How's the weather out there in Utah today? |
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| 16:17.03 | Jayce^ | hans, nope, all gone |
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| 16:18.38 | Hanuman | well, if Access won't do what you want it to do, hack it to force it to do what you want it to do :) (my new motto) |
| 16:18.55 | Hanuman | and then get rid of access the first opportunity you can |
| 16:19.22 | Hanuman | Looks like tomorrow is personal firewall day: |
| 16:19.24 | Hanuman | http://www.personalfirewallday.org/ |
| 16:26.03 | Hanuman | tensai: was it you that got me going on kixtart? |
| 16:29.16 | neybar_work | anyone know why vim won't show colors for one user on a system but will for another? |
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| 16:37.56 | tensai | Hanuman: yup |
| 16:38.27 | tensai | unless somethings broken, in which case no :) |
| 16:43.31 | Hanuman | tensai: do you ever have problems with shared connections randomly disconnecting on pre-Win2k boxes (non NT-based clients)? |
| 16:44.05 | Hanuman | that started happening the minute I started setting up shares with Kixtart |
| 16:44.16 | Hanuman | when I did them manually I didn't have the problem |
| 16:45.44 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, term settings? |
| 16:45.50 | Jayce^ | .vimrc? |
| 16:46.43 | orbit | I've seen vim not display colors depending on the TERM env var. |
| 16:46.58 | tensai | Hanuman: not that anyone tells me about |
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| 16:49.14 | Hanuman | interesting - I think I'm going to try to exec a normal use command and see if that makes a difference |
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| 16:51.39 | Jayce^ | http://schlockmercenary.com/ |
| 16:51.51 | Jayce^ | the artist from schlock is from here in the valley |
| 16:51.56 | Jayce^ | read his rant for today. |
| 16:52.10 | Jayce^ | it will show up even more, and touch something near and dear to all of us :) |
| 16:52.33 | Tenebram | schlock is great |
| 16:53.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'd like to get him to a plug meeting sometime |
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| 16:57.48 | Jayce^ | ~lart sjansen's forgetfulness |
| 16:58.10 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^'s laziness for not reminding Stuart |
| 16:58.26 | sjansen | Sure, you pester Evan but not me. |
| 16:59.04 | Jayce^ | well, for as little a thing as it was.. :) |
| 16:59.13 | Jayce^ | besides, it's fun to pester evan |
| 16:59.14 | sjansen | All the more reason. |
| 17:00.20 | Hanuman | I never got my Noni juice from Merinda when we were negotiating with them at IDI |
| 17:00.31 | Jayce^ | be happy about that :) |
| 17:00.36 | Hanuman | so I hear |
| 17:00.42 | Jayce^ | I had to try it once in a marketing class... ugh |
| 17:01.01 | Hanuman | now you know what marketing tastes like :) |
| 17:01.02 | spr5 | I had some Noni juice on my mission once... I don't know how that Elder liked it |
| 17:01.24 | HarleyPig | He probably grew up with shaklee |
| 17:01.24 | Jayce^ | I just liked that description of it .. |
| 17:02.34 | sjansen | What's "Personal Firewall Day"? |
| 17:03.02 | Hanuman | http://www.personalfirewallday.org/ |
| 17:03.17 | Hanuman | it was announced on bugtraq |
| 17:04.22 | sjansen | cool |
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| 17:51.13 | HarleyPig | Ok, wtf am I doing wrong here: my $fh = new IO::File ">> $file"; die "Unable to open $file: $!\n" unless $fh; |
| 17:51.38 | HarleyPig | $file is a valid path/filename ... if I do `>> $file` it's created without a problem. |
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| 17:52.07 | HarleyPig | I'm getting no such file or directory |
| 17:53.03 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: is it printing out $file when it dies? |
| 17:53.09 | HarleyPig | Yep. |
| 17:53.40 | hans | Jayce^: blast |
| 17:53.43 | Hanuman | what's the filename? |
| 17:53.45 | sjansen | put $file in single quotes in the error message, maybe something's being added to it |
| 17:54.07 | HarleyPig | ~/timesheets/timesheet.2004_01_15 |
| 17:54.15 | Hanuman | amen to sjansen - that's what I was getting to possible |
| 17:54.32 | Hanuman | if you try qq{} instead of "" does that do the trick? |
| 17:54.40 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I already put it in ()'s |
| 17:54.43 | sjansen | Isn't ~ translated by the shell, not the OS? |
| 17:54.57 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... I'll double check that. |
| 17:55.06 | Hanuman | yeah - I bet that's it |
| 17:55.08 | Tenebram | Yeah, that sounds right to me. Try an absolute path. |
| 17:55.10 | hans | shell |
| 17:55.39 | HarleyPig | crap |
| 17:55.41 | HarleyPig | Thanks. |
| 17:55.42 | Hanuman | or you can get the home from the environment and put that in there instead of ~ |
| 17:55.46 | HarleyPig | That was it. |
| 17:55.55 | Jayce^ | which, shell or path? |
| 17:56.04 | HarleyPig | path. |
| 17:56.10 | HarleyPig | It wasn't expanding ~ |
| 17:56.11 | Jayce^ | hans, don't complain, you got the book :) |
| 17:56.32 | HarleyPig | That's what I get for switching back and forth from bash to perl scripting |
| 17:58.02 | hans | :) |
| 17:58.06 | sjansen | HarleyPig: Nah, it's good for you. Keeps the mind flexible. |
| 17:58.22 | hans | some may think me a heretic, but I'm working out a trade with gabe for some other book he has. not too interested in samba |
| 17:58.40 | Jayce^ | sjansen, was just catching up on the mp list.. like your fix |
| 17:59.04 | Hanuman | hans: what books do you want? I'll trade w/ you |
| 17:59.11 | Jayce^ | funny thing is, you used the mod_perl cookbook for your fix (glad you got it).. and mentioned that in your reply.... to the author :) |
| 17:59.22 | HarleyPig | Obviously isn't working in this case! |
| 17:59.30 | sjansen | Jayce^: You don't think I was a little rude? |
| 17:59.43 | Jayce^ | I dont'... did you mean to be? |
| 17:59.53 | hans | sjansen: who were you rude to? did I miss it? |
| 18:01.13 | sjansen | "That's nice, but..." => "You're answer is useless because..." |
| 18:01.44 | Jayce^ | well, he was taking a stab at it, based off the little info he had been provided :) |
| 18:02.59 | sjansen | That reminds me, I was going to submit an official patch for my tiny change. |
| 18:03.57 | Hanuman | sjansen: what did you change? |
| 18:04.13 | sjansen | Just added BASIC auth header. |
| 18:04.24 | Hanuman | to what module? |
| 18:04.31 | sjansen | Apache::AuthCookie |
| 18:04.39 | Hanuman | ahh - very cool |
| 18:04.49 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:05.50 | Hanuman | On another note, I have a huge pet peeve of CPAN authors that don't perl -w their code |
| 18:06.12 | Jayce^ | well, officially they are supposed to, but dont' *have* to.. |
| 18:06.14 | Hanuman | I always go through and essentially rewrite it to get rid of all the warnings it produces in my own perl -w |
| 18:06.24 | Hanuman | yeah, but it's good practice to do so |
| 18:06.30 | Jayce^ | also, quite a few normally you write it with -w, then turn them off for production.. |
| 18:06.33 | Hanuman | you'll run into fewer security problems |
| 18:06.35 | Jayce^ | slight speed difference |
| 18:07.00 | Hanuman | I don't care if -w is turned off, it's if the code then produces warnings when I enable -w in my own code |
| 18:07.00 | sjansen | Downloading log file @ roughly 1 MB/s and there's still > 2:15 to go. |
| 18:08.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, log for what?! |
| 18:09.02 | Tenebram | and how long? |
| 18:09.04 | sjansen | Web server's log for a day. |
| 18:09.12 | Jayce^ | ewww.. everybody will love what we had yesterday.. |
| 18:09.25 | Jayce^ | our core box, was our main nfs mount, was having hardware trouble.. |
| 18:09.26 | sjansen | 140 MB total. Actually kinda small. |
| 18:09.34 | Jayce^ | so we switched everything off to a different box. |
| 18:09.49 | sjansen | and? |
| 18:09.50 | Jayce^ | ran several runs of fsck, had big problems... took literally a couple days. |
| 18:10.10 | Jayce^ | so yesterday, the lead programmer/sysadmin on a whim checks something out :) |
| 18:10.44 | Jayce^ | we had a 12TB FILE in lost+found |
| 18:10.47 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:11.03 | sjansen | Wow. |
| 18:11.17 | Jayce^ | and I quote the following |
| 18:11.19 | sjansen | Data loss? |
| 18:11.20 | Jayce^ | <Adam> Not realizing it was TB and not GB I rm'ed the file, which froze the process and any I/O operations on the partition. |
| 18:11.36 | Jayce^ | <Adam> Thus, a reboot. |
| 18:11.36 | Jayce^ | <Adam> It really was TB. |
| 18:11.47 | Hanuman | wow |
| 18:12.23 | Jayce^ | luckily we had already switched over to a new box |
| 18:17.04 | Bradipo | I didn't know ext2 supported 12TB files... |
| 18:17.59 | Jayce^ | wasnt' ext2 |
| 18:18.14 | Jayce^ | but it also had problems :) |
| 18:23.17 | Hanuman | How the heck did the file get there? |
| 18:23.42 | Tenebram | file pixies. |
| 18:24.04 | Jayce^ | fsck |
| 18:24.18 | Bradipo | What else uses lost+found ? |
| 18:24.20 | Tenebram | right, file pixies. That's how fsck works, right? |
| 18:24.24 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:24.36 | Jayce^ | luckily we didn't need to care about it |
| 18:24.36 | sjansen | Ever done a disk check in Mac OS and had files appear in the trash? |
| 18:24.48 | Bradipo | Hanuman: fsck will put detached files in the lost+found directory. |
| 18:24.50 | Bradipo | That's how it got there. |
| 18:25.03 | sjansen | Same idea. If fsck finds the remains of a file it doesn't know what to do with, it gets put in lost+found. |
| 18:25.30 | sjansen | Then the uber-admin can go in and hexedit it back to life. |
| 18:26.05 | Jayce^ | nah, the uber admin was able to point to another box to become the nfs server, and drop the old problematic one like a rock |
| 18:26.09 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:26.53 | sjansen | Hitting his toes on the way down. |
| 18:27.00 | Hanuman | ahh... |
| 18:28.52 | sjansen | Jayce^: Send me a blank check and I'll send you a 1TB drive that can fit in a 5 1/4 slot. |
| 18:29.26 | Jayce^ | already sent you one sjansen... I put it in your checkbook for safekeeping |
| 18:29.56 | Hanuman | sjansen: I'll send you one - just promise not to cash it until I get the drive ;-) |
| 18:30.24 | sjansen | Good. I put your drive in the manufacturers inventory. Just go tell them it's yours and you can pick it up. |
| 18:30.52 | Hanuman | I'll tell them sjansen sent me |
| 18:37.26 | sjansen | I'm seeing all kinds of 'GET -' in my logs. Any idea what that is? I was thinking a bad link until I started seeing some really heavy reuests from certain clients. Attack related? |
| 18:38.12 | sjansen | Also Just plain '-', no HTTP request at all. |
| 18:58.49 | neybar_work | can you negate In in an SQL statement? ex where something !IN (1,2,3,4,5)? sounds like a dumb question. I tried it and it doesn't work, but seems like it aught to. |
| 19:00.05 | Jayce^ | NOT IN() |
| 19:04.08 | mrpull | can anyone recommend a MRTG like program that can query any OID and has a decent front end for configs and reports? |
| 19:04.16 | mrpull | (i know that is a tall order) |
| 19:06.49 | hans | what kind of idiot forgets to compile the serial port into his kernel? |
| 19:07.06 | hans | when serial programming is one of the things he does... |
| 19:07.15 | Jayce^ | hans, you? :p |
| 19:07.34 | hans | Jayce^, you must be psychic. Can you read HarleyPig's palm? |
| 19:09.50 | hans | looks like that super-quick recompile doesn't apply to kernel-package |
| 19:10.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, I noticed that too |
| 19:10.35 | hans | i'll have to see if there's a setting for that |
| 19:10.44 | hans | maybe keep it from cleaning something... |
| 19:12.17 | sjansen | he he |
| 19:16.53 | Hanuman | wow - it's amazing the difference between a Pentium 100 and a Pentium 2 266 |
| 19:26.33 | hans | how do I untar to a directory name different from what's in the tar file? |
| 19:27.53 | neybar_work | mkdir tmp;cd tmp;tar zxvf file; mv bad_dir_name good_dir_name; :-D |
| 19:28.06 | hans | :-) i thought there was a tar option |
| 19:29.51 | tensai | tar -x --to-stdout -f foo.tar >good_dir/file |
| 19:33.30 | Hanuman | Is there a way in spamassassin to flat out reject e-mail as though the server didn't even exist if an e-mail is above a certain threshold for spam? |
| 19:34.15 | hans | if you're running it inside your mta there may be |
| 19:34.22 | sjansen | hans: I think there is. |
| 19:34.53 | Jayce^ | I haven't seen it, but would like to know |
| 19:34.53 | Hanuman | hans: I am |
| 19:35.21 | Hanuman | yeah - I have a feeling that would reduce spam quite a bit if the spammers got returned e-mails back from you thinking you didn't exist |
| 19:35.30 | Hanuman | they at least wouldn't try again |
| 19:35.39 | Jayce^ | most dont' even watch that |
| 19:35.49 | Hanuman | although half the reply-to's aren't even back to the spammer |
| 19:36.23 | Hanuman | so that may or may not be a good idea |
| 19:38.53 | Jayce^ | According to Copland's Microserfs, IT workers can be broken down into three categories: |
| 19:38.53 | Jayce^ | Dweebs are posers who have neither technical skills nor social lives. There are plenty of those on /., as I'm sure many of you have noticed. |
| 19:38.53 | Jayce^ | Nerds have the technical skills, but no social lives. There are a lot of those around here, too. |
| 19:38.53 | Jayce^ | Geeks are people who have the technical skills AND social lives. There aren't as many of us around here. :) |
| 19:38.53 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.37 | hans | and there wouldn't be any 'cept for IRC |
| 19:41.20 | Hanuman | I must be a nerd - I'm married and therefore have no social life :) |
| 19:41.57 | neybar_work | lol |
| 19:43.26 | Jayce^ | hehe |
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| 19:47.51 | sjansen | Does socializing only with other geeks count? |
| 19:54.10 | hans | Jayce^: put do_clean=no in your ~/.kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 20:12.50 | orbit | mrpull: Take a look at cricket, and perhaps drraw |
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| 20:15.32 | Jayce^ | welcome |
| 20:16.32 | M1 | It's amazing that I missed that in the tag line for so long :-) |
| 20:16.55 | mrpull | thanks orbit. cacti looks pretty close to what i'm looking for. |
| 20:17.12 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:17.47 | Hanuman | maybe I can become a geek afterall |
| 20:17.52 | sjansen | M1, perhaps your message will encourage others to join us |
| 20:17.58 | Jayce^ | hopefully |
| 20:18.11 | Jayce^ | then we can have even more off the wall discussions |
| 20:18.23 | LrnChndlr | kip: when's your baby due again? |
| 20:19.50 | M1 | Hey Loren. April 25. |
| 20:20.08 | LrnChndlr | thats coming up pretty quick, huh |
| 20:20.14 | LrnChndlr | but sometimes it seems like a long time |
| 20:22.46 | Hanuman | and thinking outloud |
| 20:23.23 | LrnChndlr | sweet, gaim |
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| 20:26.18 | LrnChndlr | Kip, have you thought of a name for your baby yet? if not, may I suggest 'Loren'? wouldn't matter if it was a boy or girl |
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| 20:28.47 | spencerg | hi |
| 20:28.57 | Hanuman | KipL: or 'Jesse' |
| 20:29.32 | Hanuman | so, anyone going to go see the home of the future up in Park City? |
| 20:30.23 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 20:30.56 | Hanuman | see Windows that Double as LCD Monitors to know what I'm talking about |
| 20:45.27 | Hanuman | quick question - shift(@array) removes the first element from an array, right (in Perl)? |
| 20:45.43 | Jayce^ | right |
| 20:45.56 | Jayce^ | perldoc -e shift |
| 20:46.00 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f shift |
| 20:46.02 | Jayce^ | I mean |
| 20:46.15 | Hanuman | one of those things you use every so often but not enough to remember off the top of your head fully |
| 20:46.26 | Hanuman | I know, I know...:) |
| 20:49.14 | KipL | I'm building an Apache module in Perl. I need to know if the connection is secure (https) or not (http) ... any ideas? Anyone done this before? |
| 20:51.14 | Hanuman | like through a browser? |
| 20:52.22 | KipL | I'm hitting the server using a browser. Yes. My Apache modules needs to know whether I hit it with say 'http:/localhost' or 'https:/localhost' |
| 20:52.31 | LrnChndlr | SERVER_PORT : 443 |
| 20:52.44 | LrnChndlr | it depends on your webserver sometimes |
| 20:52.51 | KipL | Let me try that. |
| 20:52.56 | LrnChndlr | i am sure there are other modules with functions that do that |
| 20:53.39 | LrnChndlr | Kip: some secure servers I have seen report a SERVER_PORT of 80 even though it's obviously really 443 |
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| 20:54.21 | LrnChndlr | so usually we would check through several different variables that indicate secure |
| 20:54.26 | LrnChndlr | like HTTPS : on |
| 20:55.22 | KipL | Thanks! The port did it. I should have thought of that. |
| 20:55.57 | LrnChndlr | kip: i'll send you a perl script you can use that will dump all environment variables and you can access it via http and https and see what the differences are that you can key off of for your server |
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| 20:57.22 | byron | anyone got any spare entropy? |
| 20:57.24 | LrnChndlr | sent to your hotmail account |
| 20:57.26 | LrnChndlr | :) |
| 20:57.42 | Tenebram | byron: entropy just isn't what it used to be these days... |
| 20:57.55 | byron | our web server just ran out and for the life of us we can't get any more :) |
| 20:58.27 | LrnChndlr | I think I saw some in the new walmart supercenter down in springville the other day |
| 20:58.45 | Hanuman | is that walmart still considered new? |
| 20:58.58 | LrnChndlr | maybe not after the one in lehi is done |
| 20:59.10 | Hanuman | ahh - that was built just before I left there |
| 21:00.31 | LrnChndlr | byron: I think I saw it down the Random Chaos aisle |
| 21:00.53 | KipL | So the solution was $r->server->port(); to get at the port if you're in an Apache Module. In case anyone cares :-) |
| 21:00.54 | KipL | Thanks again Loren. |
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| 21:01.41 | Jayce^ | dangit.. just looked at saw a mod_perl question.. was too late |
| 21:01.55 | Jayce^ | there are some other ways to detect it, but that works in your setup |
| 21:01.59 | Hanuman | Sweet! Episodes 7,8,9 rumors! |
| 21:02.07 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 21:03.33 | LrnChndlr | hanuman: do you have a slashdot ticker or do you just reload their main page all day? |
| 21:04.20 | Hanuman | no - I'm installing software on a computer right now and needed something to do in the meantime |
| 21:04.45 | Jayce^ | mmm.. now that sounds good... which one? |
| 21:05.21 | LrnChndlr | has anyone tried the new greek restaraunt on state street in orem yet? |
| 21:06.44 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 21:06.59 | LrnChndlr | it is really good, i highly recommend it |
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| 21:07.46 | sjansen | Jayce^: spicy chicken |
| 21:08.09 | LrnChndlr | jayce: if you chicken out they also serve burgers and pizza, but i bet you would find something you like |
| 21:10.29 | Jayce^ | my main problem is usually lamb though |
| 21:10.57 | Hanuman | mmm...lamb... |
| 21:11.05 | Hanuman | they've got a ton of greek restaurants out East |
| 21:11.34 | Jayce^ | gee, wonder why... |
| 21:11.51 | Jayce^ | same reason CA has so many mexican restraunts, and seattle has so many oriental ones |
| 21:13.05 | LrnChndlr | i had always wondered what a falafel was, they are always coming up in conversation on Friends or Sienfeld |
| 21:13.13 | LrnChndlr | i still havent had one yet, though |
| 21:15.57 | Hanuman | nothing like a good lamb gyro |
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| 21:21.29 | LrnChndlr | i like los hermanos |
| 21:21.32 | LrnChndlr | some dont |
| 21:21.39 | LrnChndlr | i like mi ranchito too |
| 21:22.00 | LrnChndlr | but i would really like a good mexican buffet like Pancho |
| 21:22.05 | LrnChndlr | pancho's |
| 21:23.08 | wolfepak | Chevy's is the best I have found, but it just isn't the same as On The Border or something like that. |
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| 21:25.44 | wolfepak | I moved back here from the DFW metroplex last march. There were great restraunts everywhere there. |
| 21:26.13 | LrnChndlr | wolfepak: i am pretty sure they have a panchos in DFW area, ever been there? |
| 21:26.17 | wolfepak | never tried it. they tried to start one here in SF |
| 21:26.27 | wolfepak | no, my wife had though. |
| 21:26.29 | Hanuman | los Hermanos just isn't good Texmex IMO |
| 21:26.46 | Bradipo | What is Texmex? |
| 21:26.47 | wolfepak | los her is no kind of tex mex....... |
| 21:26.56 | Jayce^ | everybody I've talked to around here says 'correnna's' in lehi is the best mexican you can et here |
| 21:26.57 | Jayce^ | get |
| 21:27.14 | wolfepak | it is a variation on mexican that is popular in texas and else where |
| 21:27.15 | Bradipo | I personally like Betos. |
| 21:27.36 | Hanuman | wolfepak: are you from TX? |
| 21:27.38 | wolfepak | On the Border is the best chain tex mex |
| 21:27.45 | Hanuman | never tried it |
| 21:27.50 | LrnChndlr | YES, BETOS |
| 21:28.02 | Hanuman | If the place makes good fajitas, it's good Tex Mex |
| 21:28.18 | wolfepak | originially from ut, just moved back to ut last march, after having lived in dallas area for eight years |
| 21:28.30 | Hanuman | cool - then you probably like Papasitos |
| 21:28.35 | wolfepak | Hanuman that is definatly. |
| 21:29.02 | LrnChndlr | jayce: I've been to correnna's and it's ok, about like los hermanos |
| 21:29.08 | LrnChndlr | but further to drive |
| 21:29.30 | wolfepak | papasitos was over priced and over atmosphered.... (plus it was run crappily.... my wife waited tables at the pappasitos in Arlington.....) |
| 21:29.34 | Jayce^ | or closer :) depending on where you live |
| 21:29.58 | orbit | We need a decent taqueria |
| 21:29.59 | Hanuman | There was a really good tex mex place down the road from where I lived in Houston - can't remember the name |
| 21:30.04 | LrnChndlr | yes, if you live in th boonies it might be closer ;) |
| 21:30.05 | Hanuman | it was a local restaurant, though |
| 21:30.16 | wolfepak | I would stick in #utah, cause I live here now not there :) |
| 21:30.37 | Hanuman | Utah is my second home - I was born there |
| 21:30.48 | Hanuman | met my wife there too and she grew up there |
| 21:31.24 | wolfepak | went there to go to school, and got married, and finally came back to the beautiful mtns. my wife was born in Hereford (near amarillo) and grew up in arlington |
| 21:31.42 | wolfepak | we went to school in Waxahachie |
| 21:31.47 | Hanuman | for me "there"="utah" |
| 21:32.01 | wolfepak | (35 miles south of dallas) |
| 21:32.25 | Hanuman | orbit: what years and what mission? (I seem to recall you telling me that) |
| 21:34.14 | wolfepak | I liked texas, but the mountains are where I love to be |
| 21:34.20 | orbit | Kenya sounds fun. |
| 21:34.34 | orbit | Yeah, highest elevation in SE Texas are the freeway overpasses. |
| 21:34.55 | Hanuman | lol - and the transco tower |
| 21:35.01 | orbit | yeah. |
| 21:35.03 | Jayce^ | need trees, open ocean, etc |
| 21:35.14 | orbit | I've been in Utah most my life. |
| 21:35.24 | wolfepak | North tex was about as bad, but west texas (amarillo) is about the flattest place I have ever been |
| 21:35.52 | Bradipo | I'm not comfortable in all flat country. |
| 21:36.24 | wolfepak | I was born in Wyo. moved to Spanish Fork two weeks before the 7th grade, then went to tex a year after I graduated HS |
| 21:37.02 | wolfepak | It took some getting used to.... I got lost a few times until I learned to use the sun for navigation instead of mtns |
| 21:37.20 | orbit | hehe |
| 21:37.34 | orbit | Denver would totally throw me. |
| 21:37.42 | orbit | I'm used to the big mountains on the East of me. |
| 21:37.57 | wolfepak | and smaller ones on the west??? |
| 21:38.01 | wolfepak | ;) |
| 21:38.07 | orbit | Well, they're farther away... |
| 21:38.11 | Jayce^ | it's easy to navigate in western WA... just follow the cuts in the trees.. only time you see the sky :) |
| 21:38.25 | wolfepak | he he |
| 21:38.45 | Jayce^ | when I went to ricks, I actually had reverse clausterphobia <sp?> I couldn't cope with everything being so open.. |
| 21:38.56 | wolfepak | I have been to seatle a couple of times, but it was before I was old enough to remember much |
| 21:39.09 | Jayce^ | the only 'open' area where I grew up were parking lots, and open water.. |
| 21:39.16 | Jayce^ | the rest was covered |
| 21:39.30 | wolfepak | the hardest thing for me to get used to in TX was the humidity. |
| 21:40.19 | wolfepak | and after being back for almost a year, it is the lack of that is getting to me.... my skin is so dry i could nearly bathe in lotion and still be dry skined |
| 21:40.31 | wolfepak | :) |
| 21:40.33 | Hanuman | you get used to it, though - Houston is even worse than Dallas as far as humidity goes |
| 21:41.30 | Jayce^ | cold heat? |
| 21:42.14 | wolfepak | opps er wet heat |
| 21:42.50 | orbit | I'll bet Kenya had some heat/humidity also. |
| 21:42.58 | Jayce^ | probably |
| 21:43.03 | wolfepak | south tex or louisiana is bout the same 105 degrees and about 115 % hum |
| 21:43.29 | wolfepak | kenya was humid, (we were on the coast) but the temp was consistantly in the 80s |
| 21:43.34 | wolfepak | not to bad |
| 21:43.47 | Jayce^ | that's nice.. coastal winds can really help |
| 21:44.00 | Hanuman | Houston was about the same as Thailand, which I bet is about similar to Brazil |
| 21:44.57 | wolfepak | technacly (sp) july is their winter, byt not much different as it is in thier summer since they are only a few degrees south of the equator |
| 21:48.22 | wolfepak | anyone else here live in SF? |
| 21:49.27 | sjansen | Spanish Fork? |
| 21:49.31 | wolfepak | yeah |
| 21:50.03 | wolfepak | or Spanish Fark if you live here :) |
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| 22:00.25 | wolfepak | well it is time to fix lunch I will talk later |
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| 22:05.20 | LrnChndlr | ok need som help |
| 22:05.28 | Jayce^ | yes you do |
| 22:05.30 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:05.59 | LrnChndlr | i have a directory that contains hundreds of thousands of files and i only want to delete certain ones, but the list that matches my wildcard is too long for rm to handle |
| 22:06.07 | Jayce^ | xargs |
| 22:06.21 | LrnChndlr | i don't want to sit here all day and delete subsets |
| 22:06.25 | LrnChndlr | ok, so ho |
| 22:06.40 | LrnChndlr | for example, I want to delete all files that begin with istats.* |
| 22:06.59 | sjansen | ls istats.* | xargs rm |
| 22:07.18 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr, it'll break it up into manageable chunks for rm |
| 22:07.29 | Jayce^ | but also not cycle through, calling rm for each file |
| 22:07.34 | LrnChndlr | ok, now should that be: |
| 22:07.45 | LrnChndlr | ls istats.* | xargs rm -rf |
| 22:07.53 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 22:07.56 | sjansen | An important point to remember when using xargs. Don't forget it _might_ run more than once. |
| 22:08.11 | LrnChndlr | will that still work? because i am getting prompted for every file delete |
| 22:08.15 | Jayce^ | depending on how much you pass it |
| 22:08.17 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr, yeah |
| 22:08.21 | orbit | unalias rm |
| 22:08.47 | LrnChndlr | now it says: |
| 22:08.55 | LrnChndlr | bin/ls: argument list too long |
| 22:10.12 | LrnChndlr | so i guess even ls cant handle it |
| 22:10.20 | LrnChndlr | any ideas |
| 22:10.22 | LrnChndlr | ? |
| 22:10.40 | orbit | ls istats.[0-9]* |
| 22:10.48 | orbit | ls istats.[A-Z]* and so on. |
| 22:10.53 | sjansen | find . -name 'istats.*' -maxdepth 0 | xargs rm -Rf |
| 22:11.02 | orbit | or that. |
| 22:11.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen 1 : orbit 0 |
| 22:11.44 | orbit | Er rather a perl -e '{for ...}' |
| 22:11.59 | LrnChndlr | find . -name 'istats.*' -maxdepth 0 |
| 22:12.02 | LrnChndlr | returns nothing |
| 22:12.36 | LrnChndlr | ah, it was the maxdepth thing |
| 22:12.47 | sjansen | Okay, so maxdepth 1 then. |
| 22:13.06 | Jayce^ | sjansen .5 : orbit 0 |
| 22:13.07 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:13.28 | orbit | heehee |
| 22:13.34 | LrnChndlr | i think this is working |
| 22:13.46 | LrnChndlr | of course there are thousands and thousands, so it may take a while |
| 22:13.56 | LrnChndlr | done |
| 22:13.59 | LrnChndlr | rock on |
| 22:14.07 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you left too early yesterday, right as you were leaving the building, bryan went off on an anti-gtk tirade for a bit :) |
| 22:14.40 | sjansen | And of course you let him, Qt boy. |
| 22:14.45 | Jayce^ | hehe... |
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| 22:16.10 | Jayce^ | emcnabb musta lost the rest of his entropy |
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| 23:21.02 | TheIB | Anyone know of a Cisco channel? |
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| 23:24.59 | wolfepak | anybody awake in here? |
| 23:25.07 | levi | Sorta. |
| 23:25.44 | wolfepak | ah, everyone has the after lunch blahs? :) |
| 23:26.09 | dmdavis | more like the about-to-go-home-from-work blahs |
| 23:27.08 | wolfepak | ah, am doing the stay at home dad thing (read: unemployed) right now. kids are watching arthur on pbs... just finished eating lunch |
| 23:27.50 | dmdavis | other than the whole lack of income thing, how's staying at home working out for you? nice to have some free time? |
| 23:28.57 | wolfepak | income is the only drawback. I get to play with my kids and on the puter. I am looking semi actively for work, but it isn't urgent. my wifes job pays the bills |
| 23:31.55 | wolfepak | I want to go to school to start into medicine.. prob at stevens hen for med assisting to be either a pct or cna |
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| 23:42.02 | justin | Hello, World. |
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| 23:49.51 | Tenebram | EMCNABB! |
| 23:50.41 | emcnabb | Tenebram!!!! |
| 23:51.11 | Tenebram | Wow, I got four exclamation marks from emcnabb! |
| 23:51.17 | Tenebram | This is the happiest day of my life! |
| 23:52.25 | wolfepak | yikes, kinda overjoyed for e pts.???? |
| 23:53.15 | emcnabb | here are a few more |
| 23:53.20 | emcnabb | Tenebram!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:53.28 | Tenebram | Yay! |
| 23:54.35 | Tenebram | not bored, so much as... |
| 23:59.01 | wolfepak | well? |
| 23:59.29 | Tenebram | Not bored, so much as overflowing with joy. |