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| 04:39.49 | Mecworks|Work | Hey, anyone know if I can increase the amount of data a variable can hold in perl? I am trying to read up to half a meg into a var but it stops reading after a while and hangs. |
| 04:50.00 | Jayce^ | shouldn't be a problem... |
| 04:50.27 | Jayce^ | it should be able to grow up to the size your os can handle |
| 04:50.30 | Jayce^ | os/hardware |
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| 08:02.19 | Mecworks | http://www.sllug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=78 |
| 08:02.41 | Mecworks | Local News: Novell completes SuSE aquisition |
| 08:23.25 | Newsome | not only that, but http://www.novell.com/licensing/indemnity/legal.html |
| 08:23.28 | Newsome | Go novell! |
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| 14:12.20 | Mecworks | yea, novell rocks IMO... |
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| 14:18.08 | hans | ~lart parking at byu |
| 14:19.37 | hans | drove down 800north at 7:06am and there wasn't a single spot available. I used to be able to park there if I showed up by 7:15 at the latest. 90% of these cars all had frosted windows, too |
| 14:32.36 | Hanuman | hmm...xul eh? |
| 14:39.39 | Hanuman | very interesting - does it only work w/i Mozilla? |
| 15:05.01 | synic | Hanuman, you either need mozilla installed, or you need to embed gecko into your app |
| 15:13.08 | Hanuman | cool - sounds very useful and practical |
| 15:13.45 | Hanuman | Has anyone written an activeX gecko engine that can be run w/i Internet Explorer? |
| 15:15.18 | Hanuman | anyone cringing at the thought yet? |
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| 15:44.54 | Hanuman | Anyone think a basic Fedora install could manage just a firewall and SMTP gateway on a Pentium 100? |
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| 16:13.53 | Hanuman | cool - I just won donuts for my office from our local radio station |
| 16:17.07 | sjansen | Sell the donuts and buy some MS support. |
| 16:17.58 | Hanuman | lol |
| 16:18.28 | Hanuman | hopefully if my request works out we won't need MS Support and I'll be using iptables instead of ISA Server |
| 16:19.45 | Hanuman | basically, we need to uninstall, and re-setup ISA server to fix a problem where one of our ports is inacessible, so I recommended it would take the same amount of time and save us more money in the future to just take the time now to setup a Linux machine to handle firewall and SMTP for the network |
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| 16:25.06 | tensai | Hanuman: did you mention me? not that your boss probably cares what I have to say but we have that setup and I'll take support calls for $100 a pop :) |
| 16:25.22 | tensai | bigdog: IRCing as root is not a recommended practice |
| 16:26.35 | Hanuman | tensai: lol - I'll be sure to mention you :) |
| 16:28.25 | Hanuman | bigdog: 8\/7 1 |)0|\|7 |\/|1|\||) |
| 16:30.14 | emcnabb | is there a way to have vim bindings in MozillaFirebird? (so I can move around with hjkl) |
| 16:31.14 | Hanuman | emcnabb: that would be cool |
| 16:31.18 | Hanuman | don't know |
| 16:31.39 | Hanuman | emcnabb: was the article on LDSOSS from the alumni newsletter, or was it a departmental newsletter? |
| 16:33.23 | emcnabb | alumni |
| 16:34.09 | Hanuman | cool - is it paper or electronic? |
| 16:34.33 | emcnabb | the one I read was in paper |
| 16:34.38 | emcnabb | it might be online somewhere |
| 16:35.28 | Hanuman | k - I'll have to ask Dallan - he organized it and I wrote it. I'd like to get it posted to the list and on the website for all to see. |
| 16:36.45 | synic | FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 12 23:40:16 MST 2004 root@liandrin.com:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/LIANDRIN |
| 16:37.55 | Hanuman | synic: congrats |
| 16:38.05 | synic | and yes... my box is named after someone in the WoT series ... ;-) |
| 16:40.06 | Hanuman | I wonder if Apple will be incorporating any of the latest changes into their core |
| 16:41.09 | synic | most of it is stuff they already have... ie: cardbus, USB, ACPI, 802.11 |
| 16:41.14 | synic | SMP |
| 16:41.41 | tensai | emcnabb: I had vi key bindings working once. It didn't work properly. Typing a "j" in a text box would scroll the page. |
| 16:42.08 | sjansen | So what was the project to use Windows wireless drivers in Linux? |
| 16:49.13 | emcnabb | tensai, was that a plugin? |
| 16:55.52 | tensai | emcnabb: It's been a while. I think it was just javascript in user.js |
| 16:57.00 | tensai | sjansen: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:57.51 | sjansen | tensai: thanks |
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| 17:20.39 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, those bindings are default in konq :) |
| 17:34.37 | emcnabb | Jayce^, arg |
| 17:36.08 | Jayce^ | you ready for wednesday? :) |
| 17:36.15 | Jayce^ | eg, tomorrow.. |
| 17:36.16 | emcnabb | Jayce^, yup :-) |
| 17:38.08 | tensai | emcnabb: have you seen this? http://legonet.org/~griffin/firebird_vi-bindings.html |
| 17:40.11 | emcnabb | tensai, I'll check that out |
| 17:40.51 | emcnabb | Jayce^, are you going to send a reminder out to the list? |
| 17:41.13 | sjansen | "Dancing in the dark, middle of the night..." |
| 17:50.06 | Jayce^ | darn straight |
| 17:51.56 | emcnabb | sjansen, you ready for Thursday? |
| 17:52.01 | sjansen | Nope. |
| 17:52.06 | emcnabb | great! |
| 17:52.22 | sjansen | Gabe got his part done, I've gotta scramble and find some time to prep. |
| 17:52.40 | emcnabb | you'll do it |
| 17:52.43 | emcnabb | I have confidence in you |
| 17:52.51 | sjansen | If I don't show up, you know why. |
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| 17:53.08 | emcnabb | we'll end the meeting earlier and have a hunting contest |
| 17:53.26 | emcnabb | we'll get you |
| 17:56.17 | Jayce^ | you have a meeting this thursday too? |
| 17:56.30 | sjansen | Yeap. |
| 18:01.24 | Jayce^ | Dear Mr. McBride: |
| 18:01.24 | Jayce^ | You have recently stated publicly that Novell's pending acquisition of SuSE violates |
| 18:01.24 | Jayce^ | non-competition provisions of the Asset Purchase Agreement and related agreements. |
| 18:01.25 | Jayce^ | You made these statements without first raising the issue with us, and based on our |
| 18:01.29 | Jayce^ | reading of the press, you have provided no specific citations or analysis to support this |
| 18:01.31 | Jayce^ | position. In our review of the agreements, we find nothing supporting your statements. |
| 18:01.37 | Jayce^ | In the absence of contractual support, these statements must be regarded as having |
| 18:01.39 | Jayce^ | been made in bad faith and for the sole purpose of disrupting Novell's planned |
| 18:01.41 | Jayce^ | acquisition and its prospective value to our company. Novell reserves all rights, |
| 18:01.43 | Jayce^ | including the right to hold you liable for any damages these statements may cause the |
| 18:01.45 | Jayce^ | company and for punitive damages based on your malicious and unfounded conduct. |
| 18:01.47 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:02.14 | sjansen | Things just keep getting worse for SCO. |
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| 18:03.14 | Hanuman | glasses are weird |
| 18:03.26 | Hanuman | My screen isn't square anymore, but I can see it finally |
| 18:03.28 | Jayce^ | bet I know what Newsome is reading too :) |
| 18:03.35 | sjansen | We oughta ask Newsome's opinion since he's really been keeping up on such things. |
| 18:05.10 | Newsome | what am I reading? |
| 18:05.41 | sjansen | Newsome: In your informed opinion, will SCO 1) reverse it's position and (re-)embrace Linux 2) slowly die a humiliating death 3) spontaneously disappear one morning leaving nothing but a stinking purple oil slick? |
| 18:06.06 | Newsome | is this about Novell slapping SCO with a monstrously huge whale named Hugh or something? |
| 18:06.12 | Newsome | something along the lines of 2 |
| 18:07.10 | Newsome | I think SCO better watch out, because Novell really hit them with a good one. |
| 18:10.48 | Hanuman | It would be interesting to see if SCO loses in all of this if an SEC filing is in order for purposely trying to drive up stock prices |
| 18:11.52 | Newsome | not just driving up stock prices, but seriously leaving important details out of SEC filings. They never mentioned Novell as a risk, and Novell has been really standing up to them. |
| 18:12.27 | Hanuman | no kidding |
| 18:12.40 | Hanuman | I really hope SCO knows what they're doing for their own sake |
| 18:13.13 | Newsome | I seriously doubt they know what they're doing at this point. They have _no_ evidence |
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| 18:14.41 | Hanuman | at least they've shown none and it appears they don't have any |
| 18:14.44 | Bradipo | I have to believe that there is some evidence... |
| 18:14.55 | Bradipo | Who would be stupid enough to go to battle without something? |
| 18:15.00 | Bradipo | Some kind of attack? |
| 18:15.02 | Hanuman | hey - what came of the evidence they were supposed to present yesterday? |
| 18:15.12 | sjansen | What I wouldn't give to be a fly in the office watching the conversations that must be taking place. |
| 18:15.30 | Bradipo | Going into a lawsuit without evidence would definitely mean that in the end the tables would be turned. |
| 18:15.54 | sjansen | Ah, but poorly researched evidence could be the heart of the problem. |
| 18:16.07 | Bradipo | Not only that, I believe shareholders would have grounds to file their own case against SCO. |
| 18:16.11 | Newsome | Even if they have "evidence", Novell has nullified any effect it might have. |
| 18:16.27 | sjansen | I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they were stupid enough to do a simple line-by-line comparison without considering the history of the code. |
| 18:16.32 | Newsome | I think that the shareholders probably will, but right now SCOX is just a day-trader's toy. |
| 18:16.46 | Jayce^ | he just took the license plates that I was saving up for! |
| 18:16.49 | Bradipo | SCOX actually is mostly held by insiders and institutions. |
| 18:17.08 | Newsome | 46% Canopy |
| 18:17.29 | Bradipo | I suppose its possible that the evidence they thought they had is no longer in their favor. |
| 18:17.40 | Jayce^ | neybar just took Perl, so I'll have to get modperl (one word is the only way to fit it here) |
| 18:18.04 | Newsome | especially when my article hits in a couple days and proves that SCO already GPLd the stuff that they've most recently claimed! |
| 18:18.15 | Hanuman | Jayce^: dangit - I was going for that one if I move up to Utah this year |
| 18:18.27 | Hanuman | at least I'll have something to hang up on my wall |
| 18:18.39 | Hanuman | I think I'll get perl -w if I move up to Utah |
| 18:18.52 | Jayce^ | not bad |
| 18:18.55 | Jayce^ | perl -t :) |
| 18:18.59 | Hanuman | per -e |
| 18:19.01 | Hanuman | perl -e |
| 18:19.51 | Newsome | and, why wait until the court forces your hand? Why not just fix the problem? If there was a problem, the court isn't going to give extra money for having infringement for longer. |
| 18:20.07 | Bradipo | I think this is definitely one of the biggest IP messes I've seen in a while. :-) |
| 18:20.28 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, I'd figure you'd know about it if you sent it :) |
| 18:20.30 | Newsome | Darl would like people to think that, at least. |
| 18:20.41 | Hanuman | I was also thinking about the license plate, ldsoss |
| 18:21.02 | Hanuman | or Jayce^: you could go for PLUG |
| 18:21.13 | Bradipo | I'll be glad once it finally gets to court and resolved one way or the other though. |
| 18:21.16 | Newsome | It's also premature to consider charging Linux users before you've proved your case |
| 18:21.26 | Bradipo | I was wondering about that... |
| 18:21.28 | Newsome | true, that will be nice when it's all resolved |
| 18:21.34 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, actually thought about that one.. |
| 18:21.45 | Jayce^ | but I got into linux from Perl :) |
| 18:21.49 | Hanuman | yup |
| 18:21.58 | Hanuman | I've got to choose perl over linux |
| 18:22.31 | Jayce^ | 'cause I'm still happy using perl in bsd, osx, etc... |
| 18:22.37 | Hanuman | me too |
| 18:22.38 | Jayce^ | (just not windows :) ) |
| 18:22.48 | Hanuman | I'd rather use perl than anything else in windows |
| 18:23.00 | Hanuman | doesn't mean I'm happy doing it |
| 18:23.40 | Hanuman | I'm starting to like Java, too, but it will never exceed Perl |
| 18:24.07 | Hanuman | the Deitel and Deitel book on Java is one of the best I've read thus far |
| 18:25.34 | sjansen | You sure about that? I sure didn't like D & D's C++ book. |
| 18:25.39 | Hanuman | I remember my beginning Java class at BYU just focusing on Java applets - I was so frustrated that I couldn't learn any other types of programming Java. This book goes over all aspects |
| 18:25.47 | Hanuman | sjansen: I like it better than the C++ book |
| 18:25.50 | sjansen | TIJ by Eckels, now that's a good book. |
| 18:25.53 | Hanuman | the C++ book is a bit dry |
| 18:26.00 | Hanuman | but VERY detailed |
| 18:26.20 | Hanuman | what does TIJ stand for? |
| 18:26.34 | sjansen | http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/ |
| 18:27.11 | sjansen | Eckels was one of the first to put books on the Net for free and develop it as a community. |
| 18:27.29 | Hanuman | that would be interesting for learning how to use it on the web |
| 18:27.38 | sjansen | Er, Eckel not Eckels. |
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| 18:27.44 | Hanuman | D&D also goes into creating client apps |
| 18:28.11 | Hanuman | if you dare to go there ;-) |
| 18:28.14 | sjansen | It covers everything about Java, including philopshy of good design. |
| 18:28.32 | Hanuman | cool - maybe I'll start reading that on my laptop before bed |
| 18:29.02 | Hanuman | lol - w/ my glasses my computer screen looks like the opening to Star Wars |
| 18:29.51 | Hanuman | I feel older and older by the day, but I'm really not that old |
| 18:32.41 | Hanuman | IIRC |
| 18:32.53 | Jayce^ | think so, but not by too much |
| 18:33.32 | sjansen | Wow, Jayce^ must be older than I thought. |
| 18:35.25 | Hanuman | I'll give you a hint - /me is 1 or 2 years younger |
| 18:37.08 | sjansen | Well, if Hanuman is wearing big ole' glasses he must be 40+, making Jayce^ at leaast 45 (if not 55). |
| 18:37.25 | Jayce^ | lol... riight |
| 18:37.31 | Hanuman | Actually, my glasses are pretty tiny |
| 18:37.42 | Hanuman | I don't look good in big 'ol glasses |
| 18:38.12 | Hanuman | ~whaleslap Jayce^ |
| 18:38.15 | | ACTION slaps Jayce^ upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:38.25 | Jayce^ | at least compared to me |
| 18:38.47 | Hanuman | yeah - I look much better :) |
| 18:41.12 | Hanuman | I swear that's the only way to find what you need for free w/ M$ |
| 18:43.11 | HarleyPig | 61" Plasma Dual display screen! w00t! |
| 18:43.29 | sjansen | resolution? |
| 18:43.57 | Newsome | 16x16 |
| 18:44.25 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: when are you gonna buy me one? |
| 18:44.55 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 18:45.07 | Hanuman | 1365x768 |
| 18:45.09 | HarleyPig | 1365x768 |
| 18:45.24 | Hanuman | now can I be at the fron to the line? |
| 18:45.45 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 18:47.38 | sjansen | Subscribed twice? |
| 18:50.17 | sjansen | Moust love tech talk. |
| 18:50.28 | Jayce^ | "Moust" ? |
| 18:50.29 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:50.38 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 18:53.32 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I have a cwdkids.com account and thestays.org account w/ PLUG - that should be all |
| 18:53.41 | Hanuman | one for work, one for home |
| 18:54.02 | Hanuman | sjansen: no - subscribed to 2 newsletters - both say the same things basically, though |
| 18:56.05 | Hanuman | yeah, but then I have to give public access to my IMAP server |
| 18:56.39 | sjansen | VPN or SSH forwarding. |
| 18:56.47 | orbit | Or imaps |
| 18:57.06 | orbit | And if you have stable IPs at work and home, you can lock it down with iptables. |
| 18:57.59 | Jayce^ | imaps :) |
| 18:58.13 | emcnabb | man, fwbuilder is cool |
| 18:59.10 | Hanuman | I know - I just don't like to allow anything stored internally on my network to access the outside unless absolutely necessary |
| 19:02.07 | Hanuman | I've basically only got ssh and web NAT'd through |
| 19:02.08 | Hanuman | well, VNC, which probably isn't the most secure, but someday I'm setting that up to go through ssh |
| 19:02.09 | Hanuman | I could probably set up MUTT to read my mbox dirs I guess, but I like having everything in one place at work |
| 19:02.09 | Hanuman | I might give in someday |
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| 19:02.41 | Hanuman | so, mhalcrow, what do you think of Novell's claims against SCO? :) |
| 19:03.09 | Newsome | probably wise! |
| 19:03.12 | Hanuman | :) |
| 19:03.57 | mhalcrow | I've gotta convince the LKML that Secure Levels should be back in the kernel. :-/ Ugh... |
| 19:04.05 | Hanuman | it's interesting that SCO has tons to talk about but little evidence, but IBM and Novell kind of keep quiet but have tons of evidence |
| 19:04.12 | Hanuman | make that evidence to show |
| 19:05.28 | Jayce^ | gahhhhh |
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| 19:05.53 | sjansen | mhalcrow: You can use me as a character reference if you need. ;-) |
| 19:06.08 | mhalcrow | sjansen: Um... thank! I think... |
| 19:06.10 | mhalcrow | +s |
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| 19:06.43 | Jayce^ | hehe :) just in case it becomes necessary :) |
| 19:07.26 | mhalcrow | So what's the flamefest-du-jour on BYU campus this week? |
| 19:07.43 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I can get you the mp3's tonight if you'd like (for New Order Republic) |
| 19:07.50 | Jayce^ | but I leave most of those, try and just use the ogg/mp3's.. |
| 19:08.02 | sjansen | I've given up my former ways. All is calm on BYU-UUG. |
| 19:08.03 | Jayce^ | I might go for that, unless I find a rip on one of my archive disks |
| 19:08.27 | Jayce^ | right now my 80gb partition is at 99%, and I have a lot of stuff archived.. |
| 19:08.33 | mhalcrow | HD space is quickly becoming irrelevant. |
| 19:08.37 | Jayce^ | and yes, a lot is my own, others downloaded |
| 19:09.41 | mhalcrow | I remember when a terrabyte was an imaginary scale. |
| 19:15.09 | Hanuman | remember my group_concat problem w/ mysql? |
| 19:15.16 | orbit | yup |
| 19:15.26 | Hanuman | imagine trying that in M$ Access |
| 19:15.51 | Hanuman | Man I want to convert this thing to a Intranet-based system |
| 19:15.59 | orbit | Uggh. I try to forget my Access experience. |
| 19:16.18 | Jayce^ | ~lart orbits access experience |
| 19:16.22 | Hanuman | I am promising myself I will never ever take a job again that requires any maintanence on any existing Access applications |
| 19:16.43 | Hanuman | ~lart Hanuman's current experiences w/ access |
| 19:16.50 | mhalcrow | Hmmmm... my e-mail just broke... |
| 19:17.01 | orbit | I remember an Access db I was managing getting corrupted... |
| 19:17.06 | mhalcrow | Is mail.sbcglobal.net existing for anyone else? |
| 19:17.07 | Jayce^ | oh no, email is broken.. the internet is dead! |
| 19:17.18 | orbit | Only starting Access with an undoc'd cli param saved it. |
| 19:17.22 | Hanuman | I have already automated a bunch of the things this does w/ Perl |
| 19:17.43 | Hanuman | luckily, this isn't an Access db - just a front-end for (unfortunately) MS SQL server |
| 19:17.55 | Jayce^ | mhalcrow, I can ping it |
| 19:18.09 | jsmith | Hanuman: That's when FreeTDS becomes very handy :-) |
| 19:18.15 | Hanuman | but that gives options for a web interface down the road |
| 19:18.39 | Hanuman | jsmith: yeah - I think I'm going to move us over to MySQL or PostGres before that happens, though |
| 19:18.47 | HarleyPig | Hanuman: Are you converting from or using Access? |
| 19:18.48 | mhalcrow | I can't ping it from work... |
| 19:18.50 | jsmith | Hanuman: Good for you... |
| 19:18.59 | mhalcrow | And the domain won't resolve from home.. |
| 19:19.04 | mhalcrow | :-/ |
| 19:19.30 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I'm rewriting an existing Access app (client) |
| 19:19.44 | Hanuman | into a better (yet still inefficient) Access app |
| 19:20.09 | Hanuman | w/ the time I've spent on this it probably would have taken just as long to rewrite it as a web/intranet app |
| 19:20.10 | HarleyPig | Ah. I just got handed an Access conversion. Wasn't there a dialog conversion to html tool? or am I smoking something? |
| 19:20.22 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, just let the access start corrupting itself... that'll help move away :) |
| 19:20.23 | mhalcrow | ...and if I call SBC to tell them it's broken, they'll hang up on me as soon as I mention ``Linux''... |
| 19:20.41 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, there have been a couple dump tools to go from access to mysql |
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| 19:20.58 | Hanuman | Jayce^: it already is - I'm building up more and more arguments to switch - they'll cave eventually |
| 19:21.13 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I know about those ... but I thought there was something that would convert the dialog (data entry) screens to html. |
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| 19:21.35 | HarleyPig | synic is bouncy |
| 19:21.56 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I've never messed w/ it, but Access has built-in tools to display them as ActiveX applications, but that's not necessarily html |
| 19:22.18 | mhalcrow | Bah; mere child's play in comparison to CDK_DB!! |
| 19:22.18 | Hanuman | I've never seen any conversion tools for the forms themselves |
| 19:22.36 | Hanuman | I'd just assume rewrite it myself anyway - Access is limited in how forms are generated |
| 19:23.25 | mhalcrow | http://aracyc.stanford.edu/~jshrager/jeff/idioms.html |
| 19:28.19 | mhalcrow | Anyone here an exim knowledgeable? |
| 19:29.03 | tensai | mhalcrow: a bit |
| 19:29.13 | tensai | enough that my boxes keep running :) |
| 19:29.28 | mhalcrow | tensai: If the primary smarthost is down, I'd like it to default to ``direct delivery''. How's that done? |
| 19:29.42 | HarleyPig | Hanuman: Yeah, I'd rather do that to, but it'd be quicker to modify existing files than create them all from scratch. |
| 19:30.12 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I hear you - I'd check google |
| 19:31.14 | tensai | mhalcrow: hmmm. give me a minute to think |
| 19:31.33 | mhalcrow | The answer may be in exim.conf: |
| 19:31.41 | mhalcrow | # A remote address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted. # |
| 19:31.49 | mhalcrow | Under ``ROUTERS CONFIGURATION'' |
| 19:32.05 | tensai | yeah, I'm thinking you could script the router and fail the smarthost if it is down |
| 19:32.10 | tensai | just gotta see if that's possible |
| 19:32.40 | tensai | what version of exim? |
| 19:33.05 | mhalcrow | 3.35-1woody2 |
| 19:33.08 | mhalcrow | From Debian :-) |
| 19:33.39 | tensai | good that makes it easy. I haven't played with exim 4 yet |
| 19:33.45 | tensai | s/easy/easier/ |
| 19:34.00 | mhalcrow | I am religious about Debian Stable on my servers. |
| 19:35.28 | mhalcrow | Perhaps a lookuphost: target underneath the smarthost: target? |
| 19:36.06 | mhalcrow | ... before, or after the ``end'' directive? :-/ |
| 19:37.17 | tensai | "end" refers to the router section, so definitely before |
| 19:38.44 | mhalcrow | Yes, that looks right. I prefer XML. :-) |
| 19:39.13 | tensai | the v4 config file is better organized |
| 19:40.02 | tensai | there's a section in the docs titled "skipping directors or routers". it refers to a condition option which will make a router fail and continue to the next one |
| 19:40.41 | tensai | or there's a "more" option which seems to make it continue rather than failing delivery |
| 19:41.00 | tensai | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.30/doc/html/spec_toc.html#TOC612 |
| 19:41.01 | mhalcrow | Of which doc do you speak? |
| 19:41.04 | mhalcrow | Oh. |
| 19:41.05 | mhalcrow | :-) |
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| 19:41.07 | mhalcrow | Spooky. |
| 19:41.29 | tensai | :) |
| 19:41.40 | mhalcrow | I think I can figure something out from here. Thanks for the pointers. |
| 19:42.11 | tensai | np. good luck. I've done some custom routing for our setup here and exim is quite capable. I expect you'll figure out something. |
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| 19:45.21 | sjansen | Question for the *box users, does \1 support matched windows? |
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| 19:50.48 | Hanuman | sjansen: I don't have \1 on my Xbox |
| 19:54.17 | sjansen | No, I'm wondering if fluxbox, blackbox, etc. support matched windows. |
| 19:55.42 | Hanuman | Windows looks alot different on my system - has a start button, the little flag, etc |
| 19:56.03 | Hanuman | :) |
| 19:56.24 | sjansen | Matched windows: match a certain property of the window and set charteristics. Workspace, size, position, etc. |
| 20:01.34 | byron | sjansen: waimea, king of the *box, will allow you to create an action to give certain windows the dimensions you want, screen positions, and decorations |
| 20:08.16 | sjansen | byron: link? |
| 20:09.56 | sjansen | I don't want eye candy. I want functionality. More like ion. |
| 20:15.32 | Bradipo | I would like a window manager that allows me to rotate windows. |
| 20:15.48 | Bradipo | For example, if I want to turn the window to a 45 degree angle. |
| 20:16.01 | Hanuman | sjansen: enlightenment will allow you to configure your window options through a config file |
| 20:16.23 | Hanuman | Bradipo: OSX does that kind of, but only when switching users |
| 20:16.42 | Hanuman | it rotates it in 3d to the next user's session |
| 20:16.58 | Hanuman | I think only Panther does it, though |
| 20:16.59 | Bradipo | Yeah, I want something that allows me to do it. |
| 20:20.41 | hans | sjansen: windowmaker does that the best in my experience |
| 20:21.10 | Bradipo | I'll agree with hans on this one. |
| 20:21.10 | hans | however I don't think it does size/position. it does do workspace, sticky, omnipresent, etc. |
| 20:22.26 | hans | windowmaker only gets better the bigger your screen |
| 20:33.36 | sjansen | Does windowmaker play nice with Gnome? |
| 20:34.23 | hans | sjansen: define play nice... gnome apps or do you want to use gnome itself? |
| 20:34.31 | hans | I think it's gnome-compliant. at least it used to be |
| 20:34.32 | sjansen | Gnome itself. |
| 20:34.58 | hans | you can turn off things that would be redundant in gnome, like the dock and clip and icons and all that |
| 20:35.16 | hans | (i think - I don't do this) |
| 20:39.06 | sjansen | So how do I configure it? wmsetup does nothing |
| 20:40.08 | hans | sjansen: wmakerconf or WPrefs. I don't know what this wmsetup thing you speak of is |
| 20:40.40 | hans | wmakerconf is probably the better bet, but if it's not installed WPrefs almost certainly is |
| 20:40.48 | sjansen | I don't have those. |
| 20:50.36 | sjansen | Contrary to what they advertise, WindowMaker and Gnome do not play nicely. |
| 20:55.07 | Bradipo | Who needs gnome? :-) |
| 21:05.10 | Hanuman | Who needs Windowmaker? :-) |
| 21:07.02 | jsmith | Who needs opinions? |
| 21:10.41 | Hanuman | who needs jsmith? ;-) |
| 21:11.54 | jsmith | That's probably closer to the truth... hopefully my new employer does :-) |
| 21:12.38 | emcnabb | Jayce^, have you e-mailed out yet? |
| 21:23.04 | HarleyPig | Caption Sisko uses Notepad! |
| 21:23.28 | hans | captain kirk uses ed! |
| 21:23.49 | HarleyPig | Nah ... Captain Kirk uses edlin |
| 21:23.50 | hans | janeway uses pico |
| 21:24.12 | HarleyPig | Spock uses VIm for Telepaths! |
| 21:24.17 | hans | han solo, now there's a vi guy |
| 21:24.28 | hans | ooh, I want a copy of that |
| 21:25.32 | synic | man, #debian is the worst channel by far on freenode I've noticed |
| 21:25.42 | HarleyPig | worse even than #perl? |
| 21:25.49 | synic | oh man, much worse |
| 21:26.00 | HarleyPig | wow |
| 21:26.02 | Jayce^ | synic why? |
| 21:26.07 | Hanuman | I had some probs in #debian too |
| 21:26.20 | Jayce^ | never been in that one, but #perl is bad |
| 21:26.21 | Hanuman | in #perl I'm among friends |
| 21:26.30 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, no, not this one.. |
| 21:26.31 | synic | rarely do people ever help anyone that's remotely new |
| 21:26.44 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I've only been in a couple times but got the help I needed at least |
| 21:26.46 | synic | if you just join for 10 seconds, you'll see what I mean |
| 21:27.04 | orbit | lol |
| 21:27.24 | synic | now, #ruby-lang and this channel have to be two of the best |
| 21:28.05 | perlFriek | Jayce^: there, did it |
| 21:28.07 | Tenebram | #kahakai is nice. |
| 21:28.10 | neybar_work | that was OT! |
| 21:28.11 | sjansen | I'm a witness. |
| 21:28.19 | Tenebram | unfortunately, kahakai isn't too stable on my system. |
| 21:28.33 | hans | yeah, #debian is worthless |
| 21:28.41 | perlFriek | Jayce^: to fill you in - this is what I asked: |
| 21:28.44 | perlFriek | < perlFriek> Anyone recommend a good templating system written in perl? |
| 21:28.54 | Jayce^ | I normally avoid that channel |
| 21:29.12 | Jayce^ | perlFriek, that's not the trigger question though... if you are asking for a pre-built, that's ok.. |
| 21:29.21 | Jayce^ | the bad stuff comes when you want to write your own.. |
| 21:29.24 | synic | hrmm... I might be able to make it to my very first UUG meeting this Thursday |
| 21:29.27 | synic | woohoo |
| 21:29.36 | hans | back in utah syniC? |
| 21:29.42 | orbit | Or I'm sure they'd love it if you ask for help on your CGI-param parsing module. |
| 21:29.48 | synic | I've always been in Utah... just not anywhere near Provo |
| 21:29.57 | hans | thought you were in las vegas... |
| 21:30.00 | synic | nah |
| 21:30.36 | Hanuman | I don't want to get a bad rep in there - that's enough unnecessary questions for today :) |
| 21:30.59 | sjansen | Hanuman: We could turn this into performance art. |
| 21:31.06 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I see where some wouldn't like you writing your own |
| 21:31.55 | Hanuman | orbit: I do all that myself - hate cgi.pm (well, I use the mod_perl functions at least) |
| 21:32.28 | synic | Tenebram: keep waiting... :) |
| 21:32.35 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, see, but you are still using a prebuilt tool.. best tool for the situation at that.. |
| 21:32.35 | Hanuman | I am a huge do-it-yourselfer in Perl. I like having complete control over what I've written |
| 21:32.47 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you're correct at that |
| 21:32.48 | Jayce^ | apache::request is da bomb :) |
| 21:32.56 | Hanuman | amen to that |
| 21:33.36 | neybar_work | I hate the way OE messes up message threading... |
| 21:38.53 | Jayce^ | s/message threading/\*/; |
| 21:42.37 | sjansen | I'm getting sick of integrating proprietary software. Always comes back to bite us. |
| 21:44.08 | tensai | I'm sick of supporting proprietary software in general |
| 21:44.32 | orbit | Don't get me started on our proprietary billing system... |
| 21:44.59 | Tenebram | orbit: have anything to say about your proprietary billing system? |
| 21:45.16 | tensai | ~lart Tenebram |
| 21:45.24 | Tenebram | Gah! |
| 21:50.21 | jsmith | ~lart proprietary software! |
| 21:51.48 | sjansen | Almost makes you think ibot is intelligent. |
| 21:52.26 | Tenebram | why is slicing appropriate for me? |
| 21:59.18 | Hanuman | well, gotta go home... |
| 21:59.44 | tensai | Tenebram: because you have so many cheese-like qualities |
| 22:00.20 | Tenebram | *blink* |
| 22:00.21 | Tenebram | such as? |
| 22:01.14 | levi | I want a laser cheese slicer. |
| 22:01.34 | neybar_work | me too |
| 22:02.12 | tensai | ~Tenebram |
| 22:02.14 | | tenebram is, like, a very cheese-like individual |
| 22:02.18 | tensai | see? |
| 22:02.20 | Tenebram | gah... |
| 22:05.18 | hans | hehe |
| 22:18.41 | levi | Don't worry... if I get a cheese-slicing laser, I won't slice you. |
| 22:19.23 | Tenebram | *facepalm* |
| 22:19.42 | Tenebram | I'm not ACTUALLY cheese, I'm just... err... cheese-like, or so it seems |
| 22:20.18 | Jayce^ | kinda like velveeta |
| 22:20.31 | levi | Well, perhaps you are sufficiently cheese-like to be sliced by a cheese-slicing laser. It's hard for a person in my position to know. |
| 22:22.52 | Tenebram | I bet it would slice cats. |
| 22:23.15 | levi | I'll bet velveeta is sufficiently cheese-like to be sliced. |
| 22:23.41 | tensai | makes me wish I had kids old enough for a science fair |
| 22:24.04 | levi | And that shredded imitation cheese product that you can get at the grocery store. Though why you'd want to further slice shredded cheese-like stuff, I don't know. |
| 22:24.15 | levi | Oh, I'll bet you could slice butter with it, too! |
| 22:24.23 | hans | tensai: you could enter a science fair |
| 22:24.25 | levi | You wouldn't have to soften it beforehand. |
| 22:24.28 | tensai | and sourdough bread! |
| 22:24.37 | levi | I hate slicing cold butter. |
| 22:27.33 | hans | i hate cold butter period |
| 22:27.45 | Tenebram | I just don't like butter. |
| 22:27.48 | hans | tensai: mmmm |
| 22:27.49 | Tenebram | bleaugh. |
| 22:28.04 | hans | i love butter cookies |
| 22:28.23 | sjansen | sugar cookies beat butter cookies any day. |
| 22:28.28 | hans | no way |
| 22:28.32 | hans | ~lart sugar |
| 22:28.43 | Jayce^ | honey-butter, on fresh scones (indian fry bread type) |
| 22:28.50 | hans | er, wait, I need some sugar on my butter cookies |
| 22:28.55 | hans | s/on/in/ |
| 22:29.16 | Tenebram | bleh, butter are icky |
| 22:29.16 | neybar_work | mm |
| 22:29.17 | levi | I love butter. It's good stuff. |
| 22:29.25 | levi | Has to be real butter, though. And the salted kind. |
| 22:29.28 | Tenebram | ~lart butter |
| 22:29.39 | Jayce^ | butter, not margarine, not 'oil spread'... real butter.. |
| 22:29.39 | hans | now who's gonna clean that bat, ibot |
| 22:29.52 | tensai | Tenebram: do you pour melted mayonaisse on your popcorn then? |
| 22:29.59 | Jayce^ | salted for certain things, sweet cream unsalted for baking |
| 22:30.00 | Tenebram | noo... |
| 22:30.10 | hans | ~lart flavocol |
| 22:30.19 | Tenebram | I rarely eat popcorn |
| 22:30.23 | hans | what a pity |
| 22:30.27 | Tenebram | and I think it's just fine without butter |
| 22:30.33 | hans | I have a stir crazy - best popcorn popper on earth |
| 22:30.46 | levi | I have an air popper thing. |
| 22:31.12 | hans | my favorite trick is putting 'too much' popcorn in and making a full batch 'on accident' |
| 22:31.34 | levi | Mmmm, scones. |
| 22:31.50 | Jayce^ | honey-butter, maybe some homemade berry jam.. |
| 22:32.00 | levi | Mmmmmm, homemade jam. |
| 22:32.04 | Jayce^ | of course, you have to have the first course be navajo tacos.. |
| 22:32.14 | hans | no way. They go great with chile |
| 22:32.18 | Jayce^ | hans, I've had them.. if you like sourdough, I'm sure you would.. |
| 22:32.20 | levi | I like homemade peach jam. Peach freezer jam. |
| 22:32.42 | hans | that's how we always had them growing up. I mean chili, not chile. |
| 22:32.48 | Jayce^ | peach is good, but I grew up on strawberry freezer jam.. |
| 22:32.48 | hans | the chili con carne with beans type |
| 22:33.01 | Jayce^ | blackberry and raspberry too, but strawberry are best.. |
| 22:33.18 | hans | i always get a kick out of that: "Chile con carne, with beans!" not "con frijoles" not "Chili with meat and beans" |
| 22:33.31 | hans | not to mention chili isn't really chili without beans |
| 22:33.43 | Jayce^ | hans, we had that on our tacos.. chili, corn, lettuce, sour cream, tomatoes, cheese, cheese :) |
| 22:33.51 | Jayce^ | get so full on that, you have trouble for the dessert |
| 22:34.26 | levi | Oh, my grandma made strawberry freezer jam that was to die for. |
| 22:34.42 | Jayce^ | levi, freezer jam is actually really easy, and better imho |
| 22:34.45 | hans | speaking of tacos, there really is no match for easy and delicious than a few flour tortillas, meat and/or beans, and whatever condiments you have hanging around |
| 22:34.56 | levi | Yeah, I've made some peach freezer jam before. |
| 22:35.09 | orbit | My wife makes strwberry freezer jam. Yummy |
| 22:35.12 | hans | i don't get this 'freezer jam' thing |
| 22:35.14 | Jayce^ | k orbit, we're doing that early summer.. for our bbq type meeting |
| 22:35.16 | levi | Kind of made up my own recipe from a bunch of them I saw on the internet. |
| 22:35.20 | orbit | You make it and keep it in the freezer. |
| 22:35.24 | Jayce^ | hans, it's a much easier way to make jam.. |
| 22:35.31 | levi | It's also got a lot more sugar. :) |
| 22:35.40 | orbit | don't ave to do all this bottling stuff. |
| 22:35.45 | Jayce^ | doesn't require nearly as much processing, but you can't just keep it out... |
| 22:35.56 | Jayce^ | strawberry freezer jam on fresh waffles!.... |
| 22:36.03 | orbit | Mmmm. |
| 22:36.04 | levi | Mmmmmm! |
| 22:36.08 | levi | I need to make some now. |
| 22:36.11 | Jayce^ | I never cared for maple syrup when that was around |
| 22:36.19 | levi | Me either. |
| 22:36.20 | hans | have you had the real thing, Jayce^ ? |
| 22:36.20 | levi | Hmm. |
| 22:36.21 | orbit | Yogurt's also good for waffles. |
| 22:36.31 | hans | real maple syrup, made from real maple trees |
| 22:36.36 | orbit | Too sweet. |
| 22:36.36 | Jayce^ | hans, yes, and it's good when it's real and fresh, but still... strawberry's.. |
| 22:36.44 | orbit | I can only down a couple of waffles with syrup. |
| 22:36.52 | hans | we had maple trees when I lived in michigan and would make real maple syrup |
| 22:36.54 | hans | MMMM |
| 22:36.58 | Jayce^ | bainbridge island strawberries.. best in the world |
| 22:37.10 | levi | I've had real maple syrup. It's incredibly tasty, but too rich for me to eat much of. |
| 22:37.17 | orbit | ditto. |
| 22:37.45 | Jayce^ | now, who has made scones in a dutch oven, when camping..... holy cow that's good stuff |
| 22:37.54 | orbit | Mmm, that sounds good. |
| 22:37.56 | levi | With freezer jam on the other hand, I can eat a ton of waffles/pancakes. |
| 22:38.02 | hans | ooh, I love cobbler in a dutch oven |
| 22:38.05 | Jayce^ | only problem is running out of butter and honey :) |
| 22:38.14 | Jayce^ | now honey. that's another topic... |
| 22:38.18 | Jayce^ | good, real honey.. |
| 22:38.20 | orbit | I read in an old scout handbook about cooking a whole pineapple tin-foil-dinner style. |
| 22:38.35 | hans | mmm, tim foil dinners |
| 22:38.50 | Jayce^ | should try my roasted pineapple |
| 22:38.57 | hans | Jayce^: i like people like you. too lazy to do it myself. :) |
| 22:39.07 | Jayce^ | fireweed honey... best there is.. |
| 22:39.15 | Jayce^ | apple blossom is tasty too.. |
| 22:39.24 | orbit | Jayce^: Like Tucanos style pineapple? |
| 22:39.38 | orbit | that's my favorite part about tucanos. |
| 22:39.40 | Jayce^ | orbit, yeah, I learned it in brasil.. just modified a bit for lazy americans :) |
| 22:39.54 | hans | what's the secret? |
| 22:40.06 | Jayce^ | hans, slow roasting, with the sweetner of your preference.. |
| 22:40.16 | orbit | Ahh... |
| 22:40.20 | Jayce^ | honey + brown sugar is the best here in the us (easy to get) |
| 22:40.22 | hans | not sweet enough on its own? |
| 22:40.43 | Jayce^ | hans, not american pineapple (fresh ones in hawaii, or out of the country could be) |
| 22:41.07 | orbit | yeah, nothing out of a can... |
| 22:41.10 | Jayce^ | but the best part is to coat it, and create the carmelization... get a slight crisp crust on the pineapple |
| 22:41.32 | Jayce^ | after you slice some off, take it back to the grill, re coat, and rotate to cook again.. |
| 22:41.39 | orbit | Mmmmmm. |
| 22:41.47 | orbit | Melt-in-your-mouth good. |
| 22:41.56 | Jayce^ | that's how all the brasilian stuff goes.. get a large chunk.. flavor the outside and let just the outside cook slowly.. |
| 22:42.18 | Jayce^ | shave off the cooked part to server, and put the newly exposed layer back on the grill, with applicable seasoning.. |
| 22:42.28 | Jayce^ | then you don't over/under cook the whole.. |
| 22:42.37 | Jayce^ | just nice bits of perfectly cooked food |
| 22:43.07 | Jayce^ | with meat, go for the maillard reaction to create a similar carmelization as you do with the sugars and the pineapple |
| 22:43.30 | sjansen | We're going to have a special cooking edition of plug. |
| 22:44.07 | Jayce^ | guess we'd better not invite those bachelor uug guys :) like they can contribute :p |
| 22:44.23 | Jayce^ | just remember all this when I advertise the next plug cookout |
| 22:44.35 | orbit | I wonder about the connection between hacking/cooking... |
| 22:44.53 | orbit | How many hackers like to cook, too. |
| 22:44.59 | levi | Hey, I'm a bachelor, and I cook. |
| 22:45.15 | Jayce^ | levi, but you aren't one of those uug guys :D |
| 22:45.20 | sjansen | I don't know. I didn't care much for cooking until I joined #utah and started hearing hans daydreaming regularily. |
| 22:45.21 | levi | I used to be! |
| 22:45.44 | sjansen | levi: Didn't you used to be one of the presidents? |
| 22:45.49 | levi | I am a former uug president, in fact, though I did an embarrasing job of it. |
| 22:45.59 | sjansen | Didn't we all. ;-) |
| 22:46.11 | hans | we need to start a uug officers anonymous program |
| 22:46.22 | levi | To my credit, I paid for the opening pizza social out of my pocket. |
| 22:46.56 | levi | Mostly because I never got around to reimbursing myself, but still. |
| 22:47.24 | levi | I'll probably come to at least one meeting, to get rid of my computer junk. |
| 22:47.53 | hans | do you have a list now? |
| 22:48.38 | levi | I'm still planning on making a catalog of all the stuff I want to get rid of, but between moving into my new place, dealing with my calling, and spending time with my girlfriend, there hasn't been much time for it. |
| 22:48.50 | Jayce^ | so hans, you'll need to try out those sourdough scones.. then we can compare who's is better :) |
| 22:48.50 | levi | Oh... that, and I started playing Gran Turismo 3 again. ;) |
| 22:48.58 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:49.21 | levi | And I checked out a couple of books from the library. |
| 22:50.49 | hans | We just got ahead of the curve on this Harry Potter stuff. We're now reading the book to the movie that hasn't come out yet. |
| 22:51.39 | levi | So far, the list includes at least 2 Sun ELC workstations, an old PC that's something like a Pentium 200, a beige G3 Mac and Apple 17" monitor, a 17" ColorSync monitor that's far nicer but needs repair, a G4 upgrade chip and a Mac PCI Radeon card, and then some miscellaneous old PC expansion cards. |
| 22:51.54 | Bradipo | I'm hoping to see LotR again this weekend... |
| 22:51.56 | neybar_work | hans: I jumped on the sourdough bandwagon too. Made a loaf last weekend... mmmm |
| 22:52.13 | hans | great. turn out good? where did you get the start? |
| 22:53.13 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, been thinking about that too.. gotta do my part to keep it #1 :) |
| 22:53.33 | hans | i'm waiting to keep it #1 at the $1 theater :) |
| 22:55.08 | levi | I may also get rid of my PIII/450 box, or at least its SCSI card. The SCSI CDRW appears to be in its death throes. |
| 22:55.13 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 22:55.19 | Bradipo | I've seen it 2 times already. |
| 22:58.00 | neybar_work | I made my own starter |
| 22:58.00 | neybar_work | it was good |
| 23:01.15 | levi | Is there any interest in that stuff? |
| 23:02.14 | Jayce^ | levi, oh yeah.. |
| 23:02.28 | Jayce^ | just need to actually have our next swap/trade/dump meeting.. |
| 23:04.09 | tensai | I've always wanted a Sun. I'm pretty sure my wife would kill me if I acquired one. |
| 23:05.22 | Jayce^ | course, I'm going to try and get rid of one of the suns |
| 23:05.27 | Jayce^ | SS 2 |
| 23:05.41 | levi | Jayce^: Are you familiar with ELCs at all? |
| 23:06.12 | Jayce^ | just what you've told me |
| 23:08.46 | levi | 17" b&w monitor with a SPARC cpu and motherboard in the back. No disk, though it's got a SCSI port on the back and ethernet you can use for diskless booting. |
| 23:09.24 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@byu076528wks.byu.edu) |
| 23:09.26 | hans | neybar_work: really? wow you went gung ho then |
| 23:09.40 | neybar_work | yeah, took three days to get it started |
| 23:10.30 | hans | after 3 days you made bread with it? that's pretty good |
| 23:10.52 | hans | a lot of people have trouble getting good performance until it's several weeks old. what kind of flour did you use? |
| 23:11.21 | neybar_work | regular unbleached white flour/whole wheat flour |
| 23:11.46 | hans | a mix then. I think the whole wheat is the key |
| 23:11.53 | neybar_work | probably |
| 23:12.18 | neybar_work | plus I had some old dough that I put in, that probably helped too |
| 23:12.19 | hans | i think the sourdough bacteria comes mainly from the wheat itself, not from the air as many have thought |
| 23:13.15 | hans | i tried to make start once with white flour and got nowhere after several days. tried it recently with whole wheat and it was going to town after a couple of days. haven't tried to make bread with it though - it has a different smell than my other start and I prefer the latter |
| 23:13.37 | hans | if you ever want to compare my established start (back to poland) with your homegrown I'd be curious to hear your experience |
| 23:14.50 | neybar_work | poland eh? where did you get the starter at? |
| 23:14.56 | neybar_work | err from who? |
| 23:15.28 | hans | from my dad, who got it from a baker in Albuquerque, who claimed it came from poland originally (long long ago) |
| 23:15.57 | neybar_work | cool |
| 23:16.27 | neybar_work | I actually have a packet of started that I got in SF, but I haven't tried it yet |
| 23:16.41 | hans | dried? |
| 23:16.45 | neybar_work | yes |
| 23:17.01 | hans | cool. i've always wondered if SF sourdough is all that different |
| 23:17.14 | hans | the SFans sure think it's the greatest |
| 23:17.19 | hans | but then, they're from SF |
| 23:17.33 | neybar_work | I think that it is more in the circumstances of how they baked and raise the dough then that their starter is so great |