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| 13:36.20 | hans | ~lart habeas |
| 13:36.55 | hans | i'm not sure what this habeas.com thing is, but it sure assured spamassassin to rate this latest batch of spam around -4! |
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| 14:47.42 | Hanuman | Good morning |
| 14:47.57 | Hanuman | Got my "Mod Perl" license plate on Saturday |
| 14:50.05 | Hanuman | I'll post pictures as soon as I take them |
| 15:20.32 | Hanuman | "Many administrators don't give their users the time of day; that's what NTP is for..." :) |
| 15:32.42 | Hanuman | This guy's got problems: |
| 15:32.43 | Hanuman | http://www.sirpepsi.com/pepsi10.htm |
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| 16:34.17 | Jayce^ | so, anybody going to try playing the 'distro war' game on UF yesterday? |
| 16:34.23 | Jayce^ | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040111 |
| 16:35.35 | hans | no, is it fun? |
| 16:36.34 | Jayce^ | haven't tried it |
| 16:36.40 | Jayce^ | just read it.. |
| 16:37.00 | Hanuman | Can you play it in IRC? |
| 16:38.27 | Jayce^ | could code something up I guess.. some bots do a random function |
| 16:39.34 | Hanuman | 100 points to whoever writes the first IRC bot to manage the game :) |
| 16:40.04 | hans | the only thing would be card distribution. if you could get a bot to dish out cards the rest would be up to the players (including honesty in playing cards, although I guess the bot could check that you really have the card you play) |
| 16:40.22 | Hanuman | Person who writes it gets to pick which distro they want to be first |
| 16:43.12 | hans | i'd want to play it first to see if it's actually fun. ;-) |
| 16:43.32 | Jayce^ | after or before plug maybe? |
| 16:43.37 | Jayce^ | somebody bring cards? |
| 16:43.42 | hans | that'd be fun. |
| 16:43.52 | hans | we could play here, if one person is willing to be the 'bot' |
| 16:44.01 | hans | I volunteer. I've got a deck of cards handy |
| 16:45.25 | Hanuman | k hans - you can be the bot - I want to be Redhat |
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| 16:47.36 | Jayce^ | ooh. byron can play too :) |
| 16:47.46 | byron | hmm? |
| 16:48.10 | Jayce^ | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040111 |
| 16:49.07 | byron | ooh, I want to be a BSD! :) |
| 16:49.13 | hans | roll: 3 |
| 16:49.19 | hans | roll: 5 |
| 16:49.36 | hans | Jayce^: you playing? we need three (i can't play fairly since I'll know everyone's cards. ;-) |
| 16:50.04 | Jayce^ | lol... sure |
| 16:51.58 | hans | keep track of your own counters. simple majority is 16. jayce, hanuman, and byron are playing. I've dealt the cards |
| 16:52.12 | byron | this is going to be great, big lizard all the way |
| 16:52.31 | hans | pick your numbers, to see who goes first (1-6) |
| 16:54.29 | hans | Hanuman: your number? |
| 16:55.32 | Hanuman | 5 |
| 16:57.09 | hans | roll: 3 |
| 16:57.20 | hans | Jayce^ goes first |
| 16:57.35 | hans | then byron, then hanuman |
| 16:57.39 | Hanuman | crap - programming and playing games is confusing |
| 16:58.26 | Jayce^ | so at 4 |
| 16:59.18 | Jayce^ | anyone countering? |
| 16:59.50 | Hanuman | are we supposed to know how many counters the other people have, or is that secret? |
| 16:59.50 | byron | Jayce^: I don't think anyone can counter. |
| 17:00.03 | Jayce^ | we are supposed to know.. |
| 17:00.06 | Jayce^ | k.. |
| 17:00.08 | Hanuman | k |
| 17:00.29 | Jayce^ | then it's byrons turn |
| 17:00.33 | Jayce^ | k byron |
| 17:01.01 | Hanuman | Jayce^: weren't you supposed to roll the die first? |
| 17:01.21 | Hanuman | or did hans's roll count for you? |
| 17:01.51 | hans | byron's roll is 6 |
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| 17:02.58 | Hanuman | wait - how did you have 3 counters before? |
| 17:03.05 | hans | start with 3 |
| 17:03.08 | Hanuman | I thought everyone started out w/ 0 counters |
| 17:03.26 | Hanuman | k |
| 17:03.37 | Hanuman | I'm ready then |
| 17:03.53 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, everyone starts with 3 |
| 17:04.23 | Jayce^ | byron, why do you add 6 counters? |
| 17:04.48 | Jayce^ | when you played the 6 shouldn't you get 3? |
| 17:04.48 | Hanuman | should be 3 |
| 17:05.06 | byron | Jayce^: yep, sorry about that... I'll learn to read one of these days |
| 17:05.09 | Hanuman | we've gotta play by standards guys ;-) |
| 17:05.29 | Hanuman | unless one of us is M$ |
| 17:05.39 | hans | hanuman's roll is 3 |
| 17:06.50 | Jayce^ | you done? |
| 17:06.54 | Hanuman | no - thinking |
| 17:07.08 | Hanuman | question - once a card is played can it be used against another player again? |
| 17:07.16 | Jayce^ | no, it's out |
| 17:07.18 | hans | played cards are discarded |
| 17:08.10 | Jayce^ | ooh... |
| 17:08.31 | hans | roll: 3 |
| 17:08.43 | hans | (Jayce&) |
| 17:09.13 | Jayce^ | counter? |
| 17:09.31 | byron | ouch |
| 17:09.36 | Hanuman | Jayce^ loses half his install-base |
| 17:10.00 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 17:10.37 | Jayce^ | 2,3,9 ouch |
| 17:10.51 | Hanuman | Jayce^: are those your cards? |
| 17:11.20 | hans | roll: 5 |
| 17:11.26 | byron | that's the score |
| 17:11.33 | Hanuman | ahh... |
| 17:11.47 | Jayce^ | byron's turn |
| 17:12.46 | hans | roll 1 |
| 17:13.01 | Jayce^ | actually, I'm at 4, forgot to count the addition of 1 |
| 17:13.24 | Jayce^ | levi, http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040111 |
| 17:14.52 | Hanuman | darn |
| 17:15.00 | hans | roll 5 |
| 17:15.21 | Jayce^ | dangit hanuman just took that card from me :/ |
| 17:15.27 | Hanuman | :) |
| 17:15.58 | hans | roll 3 |
| 17:17.10 | Jayce^ | ooh.. |
| 17:17.14 | Hanuman | bwahahahaha! I'm the sue meister - /me counters with another ace smack in the face |
| 17:17.52 | hans | byron loses half his install base (rounded up) to the bank |
| 17:18.28 | hans | roll 6 |
| 17:19.00 | Hanuman | token? |
| 17:19.05 | Jayce^ | counter |
| 17:19.13 | hans | little small rock, whatever |
| 17:19.17 | Jayce^ | 6 |
| 17:19.36 | Hanuman | wait - it's my turn |
| 17:19.39 | Hanuman | isn't it? |
| 17:19.39 | hans | ah, but it's hanuman's turn |
| 17:19.41 | byron | Jayce^: I think Hanuman got skipped |
| 17:19.51 | Jayce^ | oh, thought he went |
| 17:19.51 | hans | M$ steals Jayce's ' |
| 17:19.56 | hans | token' back. :) |
| 17:20.20 | hans | roll 2 |
| 17:20.43 | byron | Wait, I think Hanuman only gets two counters.... 6 / 3? |
| 17:20.47 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 17:20.51 | Hanuman | oh - sorry |
| 17:21.07 | hans | actually, that works the other way around |
| 17:21.08 | Hanuman | pardon my math |
| 17:21.13 | hans | 6 doesn't go into 3, so you couldn't do that. |
| 17:21.38 | Hanuman | 3 can go into 6 |
| 17:21.41 | hans | or am I backwards? |
| 17:21.48 | Hanuman | hans: you're backwards |
| 17:21.52 | hans | yeah, ok. |
| 17:22.23 | Jayce^ | done |
| 17:22.33 | hans | roll 4 |
| 17:24.35 | hans | roll 2 |
| 17:25.16 | byron | Hanuman: ok, what distro were you? |
| 17:25.18 | hans | So SCO wins in the end. |
| 17:25.21 | Hanuman | Red Hat |
| 17:25.23 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 17:25.35 | Jayce^ | dang, I finally could have countered him |
| 17:25.42 | Hanuman | hans: that's SCOBot |
| 17:25.47 | Jayce^ | bsd must really be dead :) |
| 17:26.25 | byron | Is this a sign.... RedHat takes SCO lead and sues smgl and BSD |
| 17:26.34 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 17:26.40 | Hanuman | RedHat's just good at counter-suit's |
| 17:26.50 | hans | for the interested, there was one card left in the draw pile, and then I would have reshuffled in the discard pile |
| 17:27.09 | Hanuman | Did I mention their stock is at almost $21/share? |
| 17:27.45 | Hanuman | hans: what card was it? |
| 17:27.56 | byron | Hanuman: That's great news! |
| 17:28.00 | hans | don't recall |
| 17:29.30 | Jayce^ | man, this fog is getting thick.. |
| 17:29.59 | Hanuman | the screen looks clear to me |
| 17:30.48 | Hanuman | byron: yeah - just checked - they are at exactly $21/share right now |
| 17:31.33 | Hanuman | well, time for lunch |
| 17:33.10 | hans | well that was fun. might be worth writing a bot |
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| 18:15.04 | mhalcrow | Does file-level transparent filesystem encryption belong in the kernel? |
| 18:20.21 | Newsome | it might be nice |
| 18:21.33 | mhalcrow | I'm worried about kernel bloat. |
| 18:21.38 | Newsome | seems like it would have to be in the kernel to be transparent. |
| 18:21.49 | mhalcrow | Not really; see CFS. |
| 18:21.51 | Newsome | good concern |
| 18:24.25 | Newsome | CFS looks pretty nice. Requires NFS loopback, though. Want to give regular users the ability to create, export, & mount NFS shares? |
| 18:25.40 | mhalcrow | CFS manages those. It listens on its own port. |
| 18:25.48 | mhalcrow | (3049 by default) |
| 18:26.39 | Newsome | ah, in that case, it sounds like it could work. The problem I see is that not putting something into the kernel means that it remains fragmented, with no real standard. |
| 18:26.56 | Newsome | If things are too fragmented, none of them really take off |
| 18:27.40 | mhalcrow | On the other hand, for it to work in the kernel, the inode cahce and the buffer cache would probably have to be tweaked. |
| 18:28.15 | mhalcrow | Messing with VFS is hairy. |
| 18:28.20 | Jayce^ | so Newsome, any word on the sco stuff today? |
| 18:28.24 | Newsome | true. It's nice to have a pretty generic VFS in the kernel. |
| 18:29.04 | Newsome | no, not yet. Their stock is down about $1, but probably because OSDL announced they'd defend someone who got sued! |
| 18:30.33 | Newsome | I expect them to do something pretty dumb, though. I think they may file a new amended, amended complaint with additional parties |
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| 18:32.06 | mhalcrow | I think I've won a new Debian convert. |
| 18:32.21 | Newsome | congratulations. converted from what? |
| 18:32.30 | mhalcrow | Red Hat, SuSE. |
| 18:32.40 | mhalcrow | Probably more SuSE than anything. |
| 18:32.43 | mhalcrow | :-/ |
| 18:33.00 | Newsome | oh well, as long as it's spelled GNU/Linux |
| 18:33.02 | byron | emcnabb: are you there? |
| 18:33.21 | mhalcrow | I need to take a long, hard look at my distro loyalties. |
| 18:33.22 | Newsome | hey, Byron. where are you? |
| 18:34.04 | mhalcrow | emcnabb should be busy modifying BitTorrent to deliver streaming content. |
| 18:34.14 | mhalcrow | That's his assigned 460 project. |
| 18:35.01 | Hanuman | Red Hat won the Distro Wars card game so it must be the best distro |
| 18:35.06 | Newsome | it would be great to do a bittorrent/rsync combination. |
| 18:35.09 | Hanuman | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040111 |
| 18:35.42 | mhalcrow | Hmmm. |
| 18:35.43 | Hanuman | Jayce^, byron, and I played this morning - Hans was the bot that rolled the dice and played the cards |
| 18:42.51 | HarleyPig | "Captain Picard uses emacs!" |
| 18:43.00 | HarleyPig | I nearly fell off my chair. |
| 18:43.14 | Hanuman | where did you see that? |
| 18:43.43 | HarleyPig | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040110 |
| 18:44.28 | Hanuman | oh - missed that one - I just went through all of last weeks but must have skipped over it |
| 18:45.16 | Hanuman | lol - that's funny] |
| 18:45.21 | Hanuman | s/]// |
| 18:45.32 | Hanuman | sorry - that would be s/\]// |
| 18:46.44 | Hanuman | I like http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040108 |
| 18:50.02 | HarleyPig | :] |
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| 19:22.37 | Hanuman | Any OS X users around? |
| 19:24.47 | Jayce^ | uh, some experience |
| 19:24.57 | Tenebram | I've seen it before. |
| 19:28.59 | Hanuman | oh - has anyone tried to get the older versions of PAF to work on OSX? Does it work right off? Or do I have to do anyting special? |
| 19:29.08 | Jayce^ | haven't tried |
| 19:29.25 | Hanuman | older versions meaning the latest version available for Mac |
| 19:29.48 | Hanuman | maybe I'll ask LDSOSS |
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| 19:42.44 | sjansen | Yummy. |
| 19:43.15 | mhalcrow | Thinkpad? |
| 19:43.16 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 19:45.42 | sjansen | Nah, Dell. :-( |
| 19:45.50 | mhalcrow | :-( |
| 19:46.02 | mhalcrow | My new ward has a Dell camp and an IBM camp. |
| 19:46.09 | sjansen | Had (yet another) hardware problem, and rather than fix my old laptop they gave me a new one. |
| 19:46.37 | mhalcrow | There are several huge Dell campuses less than a mile from my house. |
| 19:46.50 | sjansen | I may not be in the IBM camp, but I'm sure not in the Dell camp. My work laptop has been nothing but a piece of trash. |
| 19:47.04 | mhalcrow | Join us, Stuart! |
| 19:47.10 | mhalcrow | Come be an IBM'er! |
| 19:47.20 | sjansen | Send me some hardware and we'll see how things go. ;-) |
| 19:47.34 | mhalcrow | :-) I'll send you a complementary copy of Debian, if you'd like. |
| 19:48.12 | sjansen | Nah, I was thinking something a little more, uh, physical. |
| 19:48.39 | sjansen | Besides, every experience I've had with Debian has been bad. We just don't get along. |
| 19:49.35 | mhalcrow | *You* can't have a bad experience with Debian. *Debian* can have a bad experience with you, but only if it decides it doesn't like you. |
| 19:49.35 | Hanuman | and the game proved Redhat is the best distro ;-) |
| 19:49.45 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 19:49.48 | Jayce^ | lucky |
| 19:50.31 | Hanuman | the game tells all... |
| 19:51.31 | mhalcrow | When Dell gets an LTC, then they will start to earn my respect. Until then... |
| 19:52.01 | sjansen | Dell is about cheap hardware. IBM is about technology consulting. Hardware is only part of their strategy. |
| 19:52.03 | Hanuman | I agree about Dell - even their desktops aren't very good |
| 19:52.28 | Hanuman | Dell was good once |
| 19:58.37 | Hanuman | Man - there isn't a single place I can go for on-demand, free help for Microsoft products |
| 19:58.44 | Hanuman | other than google |
| 19:58.52 | Hanuman | but I want to ask questions, not find answerse |
| 19:59.23 | Hanuman | cause the answers aren't there for what I want to do |
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| 20:01.24 | sjansen | *sigh* I hate rebuilding a system. |
| 20:01.26 | Hanuman | lol - #microsoft on dalnet has a ton of 1337 h4x0r nicks |
| 20:01.51 | Hanuman | noone answers your questions, though |
| 20:03.56 | sjansen | It's just a honeypot. Ask a question and they know you're a f00l whose box can be h4><0r3d. |
| 20:04.15 | Hanuman | lol - probably |
| 20:04.22 | mhalcrow | Nobody wants to provide tech support for Microsoft, anyway. |
| 20:04.32 | Hanuman | that's what I hate about it |
| 20:05.07 | mhalcrow | Ask Microsoft to support their own product. If they don't give you the support you want, then stop using their products. |
| 20:05.24 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 20:05.41 | Hanuman | wish I could - work forces me to, though |
| 20:05.42 | sjansen | Oh, they'll give you support. At something like $100 a question. |
| 20:06.08 | Hanuman | yeah - and the problem is my job requires me to use M$, but they aren't willing to pay for it |
| 20:06.08 | mhalcrow | Then let your boss know how much money it is costing to continue working with that software vendor. |
| 20:06.46 | Hanuman | they know - it's not worth their time trying out something new, though |
| 20:07.33 | Hanuman | they'd just assume pirate where necessary and only pay for what they have to (you didn't hear that from me) |
| 20:07.36 | mhalcrow | Then your company will get left in the dust by companies that *are* willing to try out something new. I'd buff up your resume if I were you. |
| 20:07.45 | sjansen | You have a problem. + You're not willing to fix the problem. = You live with the problem. |
| 20:08.44 | Hanuman | unfortunately we're not a technology company so technology isn't on the forefront of their minds whether it should be or not |
| 20:10.19 | mhalcrow | Computers solve problems, whether you're a ``technology'' company or not. You don't have to be an automotive company to use a particular brand of car over another. |
| 20:10.38 | mhalcrow | You still don't use a schoolbus to do a minivan's job. |
| 20:11.48 | hans | ~sing |
| 20:11.50 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 20:15.44 | Hanuman | The main problem is our President is a major micro-manager and likes to know every single thing that is going on rather than just trusting employees to do their jobs |
| 20:16.33 | Hanuman | Because of this he has more control over the company, but smaller things that could hurt the company down the road get overlooked |
| 20:17.18 | Hanuman | It's a good company to work for, stable, etc., but some day this will end up biting them in the rear I think. |
| 20:18.16 | Hanuman | Like right now I am re-writing an Access program as opposed to just rewriting it in Perl as an intranet application |
| 20:18.24 | Hanuman | I probably would have had it done by now in Perl |
| 20:18.49 | Hanuman | The problem is Access just wasn't written for complex db queries |
| 20:22.30 | Hanuman | What was that? I asked a simple question about VBA and they kicked me from the #access channel at undernet.org |
| 20:24.01 | mhalcrow | Heh.. :-) Gives me an idea. I think I'll start an #ms-support channel, then deride or kick anyone who asks a question. :-) |
| 20:24.35 | Hanuman | lol |
| 20:24.45 | Hanuman | that would make more sense on freenodes.net |
| 20:28.24 | hans | 100 points to whoever can help me understand what the heck a moment is (physics/math) |
| 20:28.47 | mhalcrow | Ah... a moment... I used to know that... |
| 20:29.02 | Jayce^ | hans, isnt' that 'at a given point in time' ? |
| 20:29.23 | mhalcrow | http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_(physics) |
| 20:29.25 | hans | Jayce^: no, we're out of the realm of webster here. We're talking overloaded terms for everyday words |
| 20:29.40 | hans | mhalcrow: saw that, and it helped, but I'm still fuzzy |
| 20:29.44 | Hanuman | it's those guys who don't drink coffee or tea and have those missionaries that go around on bikes, isn't it? |
| 20:29.59 | Jayce^ | ah yes.. (last time I dealt with physics, was around 5 years ago) |
| 20:31.05 | tensai | hans: just give up. you'll never use it anyway. |
| 20:34.25 | hans | made a real good loaf last week |
| 20:34.38 | mhalcrow | Only if there is an object exerting force on it. |
| 20:34.48 | hans | the yeast perhaps |
| 20:35.22 | Hanuman | interesting - undernet.org has a #lds channel |
| 20:35.37 | hans | way back in '96 I used to hang out on #mormon on undernet |
| 20:35.48 | Hanuman | yeah - there's only one person on #mormon |
| 20:36.36 | hans | who? |
| 20:37.00 | Hanuman | TheTiGuR |
| 20:37.35 | voip_ | rawr |
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| 21:31.17 | mhalcrow | A senior technical recruiter at Microsoft just contacted me. I thought it was spam at first. :-) |
| 21:32.06 | mhalcrow | I never thought I could draft a rejection letter to a potential employer with such speed and gratification. |
| 21:37.11 | Hanuman | lol |
| 21:37.19 | Hanuman | I'd rather work at IBM than M$ |
| 21:37.35 | Hanuman | but as long as I was still doing Linux stuff I wouldn't mind working at M$ for the benefits |
| 21:37.56 | Hanuman | I would never turn on Linux or my beliefs about it though |
| 21:38.07 | mhalcrow | MS would probably pay more, but there is one problem: I have a social conscience. |
| 21:38.30 | voip_ | albeit misguided conscience |
| 21:38.31 | mhalcrow | And it would ruin my career. :-) |
| 21:39.05 | Hanuman | COL is much cheaper in Austin than Washington I believe, although I hear Austin's getting expensive these days |
| 21:39.34 | mhalcrow | I'm in north Austin; the property rates are good, but the taxes are insane. |
| 21:40.11 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: I think taxes are high just about anywhere in TX (no state Taxes though!) |
| 21:40.30 | Hanuman | IBM would be awesome |
| 21:42.22 | Hanuman | question - when is SCO supposed to report the stolen kernel code? |
| 21:42.32 | Newsome | supposedly today |
| 21:44.15 | Hanuman | have they shown it yet? |
| 21:44.29 | Hanuman | I'm a bit confused by the /. post |
| 21:45.27 | Newsome | just hot air |
| 21:45.55 | Hanuman | so does that mean the lawsuit will be dropped? |
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| 21:51.07 | Newsome | probably not just yet. They're likely to turn in something around 5. It probably won't be anything real, but they'll claim it is |
| 21:51.28 | Hanuman | 'sup orbit? |
| 21:51.47 | Hanuman | Newsome: lol - it will be interesting to see what they can pull out of thin air |
| 21:53.07 | orbit | Not much, just wondering if anybody has a dead-tree copy of "Creating Applications with Mozilla" |
| 21:53.22 | orbit | Wondering how much of it is content, and how much is reference. |
| 21:56.49 | Hanuman | sorry - I don't have one unfortunately |
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| 23:18.03 | Jayce^ | loving what? |
| 23:20.36 | sjansen | New screen. This is the way life is meant to be. |
| 23:21.20 | sjansen | I just did a ps -ef and it fit on the whole screen. I've got x-chat, gaim, and gnome-terminal open and none of them is cramped. |
| 23:22.31 | sjansen | I'm going to cry like a baby when I have to give it back. |
| 23:25.46 | neybar | how big is your screen? |
| 23:29.17 | sjansen | 1600x1200 |
| 23:33.18 | synic_ | hrmm... |
| 23:35.23 | orbit | Anybody here played around with XUL much? |
| 23:35.33 | hans | sjansen: we've missed you today |
| 23:35.47 | sjansen | Yeah, I've been rebuilding my laptop. |
| 23:36.03 | Jayce^ | orbit, long time no see :) |
| 23:36.09 | Jayce^ | but no, I haven't.. |
| 23:36.20 | sjansen | ~whaleslap Jayce^ |
| 23:36.23 | | ACTION slaps Jayce^ upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:37.42 | synic | orbit: I really wanted to... but embedding gecko would be a pain, and none of the mozilla XUL chrome tutorials work (they are outdated) |
| 23:37.53 | orbit | I see. |
| 23:38.04 | synic | but XUL sounds like a fantastic idea IMO |
| 23:38.09 | orbit | I'm not so interested in embedding gecko, as I am with building XUL apps |
| 23:38.57 | synic | yeah, if you find one of the tutorials that actually works, let me know. |
| 23:39.37 | orbit | The tutorial on xulplanet.com seems to be ok. |
| 23:39.44 | synic | have you tried it? |
| 23:39.51 | orbit | I've gone through it a bit. |
| 23:39.56 | orbit | Not all the way. |
| 23:40.04 | synic | that's the one I tried... and by the end, mozilla wouldn't even launch any more |
| 23:40.12 | orbit | You can read the O'Reilly Moz book in its entirety online. |
| 23:40.17 | orbit | And it provides a decent tutoria. |
| 23:40.33 | orbit | hehe. I ran into the mozilla can't launch thing too. |
| 23:40.35 | synic | hrmm, I'll have to take a look at that |
| 23:40.44 | orbit | Had to wipe my .mozilla dir. |
| 23:41.29 | synic | lol, I love all the ghostbusters references |
| 23:41.55 | synic | venkman and gatekeeper and stuff |
| 23:42.22 | orbit | there.is.only.xul |
| 23:44.14 | orbit | It seems xul might offer more flexibilty where working with HTML form elements is a pain. |
| 23:45.02 | synic | I just like the idea of using C++ as the backend and using XML, Javascript, and CSS as the interface |
| 23:45.47 | orbit | YEah. |
| 23:46.52 | orbit | I'm building a web app (hobby project), and thinking of a XUL app as the admin interface. |
| 23:47.23 | synic | even better, sjansen wants to use Python and Tkinter :P |
| 23:47.41 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 23:49.20 | orbit | The whole idea of my GUI widgets being web-aware is intriguing. |
| 23:49.59 | synic | it's kind of interesting that the entire interface of mozilla itself is basically just a webpage |
| 23:51.53 | orbit | Yah. For some real fun do this enter this address: chrome://navigator/content |
| 23:52.07 | orbit | See how many times you can embed moz inside itself |
| 23:52.41 | synic | hrmm, lol, it didn't work for me |
| 23:52.43 | orbit | hehe |
| 23:52.54 | synic | I'm using firebird... maybe that's why |
| 23:54.28 | orbit | Basically displays the whole Moz interface inside its 'document' window |
| 23:55.12 | synic | haha |
| 23:55.21 | Bradipo | I'm using firebird and it worked for me. |
| 23:55.36 | synic | I got a XUL error |
| 23:55.39 | Bradipo | I could only embed it once though. |
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