| 00:01.26 | Tenebram | Curses, euler won't compile! |
| 00:01.35 | Tenebram | stupid dead guy... |
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| 00:14.46 | Jayce^ | well, 2.6 rebuilt, installed, but no pcmcia.. |
| 00:16.52 | Hanuman | whew - Maple is $100 for the student edition |
| 00:16.58 | Tenebram | sure is |
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| 00:24.50 | tensai | Hanuman: check out GNU Octave. I'm not much of a math guy but I used it once and it calculated some numbers. |
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| 01:20.28 | Mecworks | My Rio Karma rocks. very cool indeed. |
| 01:23.01 | Mecworks | The cradle has an LED in it that can pulsate to the misic... 8^) |
| 01:35.59 | Hanuman | cool |
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| 01:43.46 | Mecworks | Yea, 20GB, Ogg Vorbis support. |
| 01:43.52 | Mecworks | etc etc etc |
| 01:44.47 | Tenebram | can I steal it? |
| 01:48.56 | Mecworks | You may steal one from someone else...but you didn't hear it from me. 8^) |
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| 01:49.14 | Tenebram | so... by someone else... you mean you? |
| 01:50.37 | Mecworks | oh, no, I mean someone else... |
| 01:50.54 | Tenebram | right, which is you |
| 01:50.59 | Mecworks | as in someone != Mecworks |
| 01:51.36 | Tenebram | like who? |
| 01:51.43 | Tenebram | Are there other people? |
| 01:51.53 | Mecworks | oh, anyone else will do. Yea, a few... 8^) |
| 01:52.10 | Tenebram | other people with fun toys to steal? |
| 01:53.06 | Mecworks | Yes. |
| 01:54.01 | Tenebram | oh, okay |
| 01:54.15 | Mecworks | 8^) |
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| 03:24.58 | emcnabb | ok, the new version of fluxbox SUCKS |
| 03:25.24 | Tenebram | I haven't liked fluxbox for a while |
| 03:25.32 | Tenebram | I like openbox much more |
| 03:26.14 | Tenebram | What's changed about flux in the new version? |
| 03:26.56 | emcnabb | well, alt-f1, alt-f2,etc doesn't work by default |
| 03:27.10 | emcnabb | the bottom bar looks like crap |
| 03:27.14 | emcnabb | the themes are messed up |
| 03:27.38 | Tenebram | ack, how icky |
| 03:27.50 | Tenebram | I stopped using flux a few months back |
| 03:28.02 | Tenebram | and went on a little WM changing trip |
| 03:28.30 | Tenebram | Tried a bunch of stuff, but ended up using kahakai |
| 03:28.42 | Tenebram | and openbox, every oncein a while |
| 03:29.14 | Tenebram | kahakai being a fork of waimea from a little while back |
| 03:29.21 | Tenebram | when development stopped on waimea. |
| 03:34.26 | emcnabb | ok, it works now |
| 03:34.35 | emcnabb | there is a problem with the config in the new version |
| 03:34.42 | emcnabb | #fluxbox to the rescue |
| 03:34.45 | emcnabb | brb |
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| 03:36.19 | Tenebram | yay, you're back |
| 03:38.55 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 03:39.00 | emcnabb | tabs aren't working either |
| 03:39.01 | emcnabb | ug |
| 03:39.13 | emcnabb | today was a long day |
| 03:39.31 | emcnabb | I need a break :-) (Newsome knows what I'm talking about :-) |
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| 04:46.09 | andrewjorgensen | Can I get another Mozilla Firebird user to verify a bug for me? |
| 04:50.19 | byron | andrewjorgensen: sure |
| 04:50.31 | andrewjorgensen | Go to http://uccu.com/ and bookmark it. |
| 04:50.45 | andrewjorgensen | Then go to the bookmarked page. |
| 04:50.55 | andrewjorgensen | On mine it crashes, every time. |
| 04:52.43 | andrewjorgensen | I'm on RH9 with the Fedora package of firebird |
| 04:52.45 | andrewjorgensen | 0.7 |
| 04:53.14 | andrewjorgensen | and it crashes if I go to that bookmark twice. |
| 04:53.14 | byron | andrewjorgensen: do I need to restart firebird before going back to the page? |
| 04:53.42 | andrewjorgensen | byron: no, twice in the same session is what crashes it for me. |
| 04:53.48 | byron | confirmed, the second time I go to that bookmark, firebird crashes |
| 04:53.55 | andrewjorgensen | really? |
| 04:53.57 | andrewjorgensen | great! |
| 04:54.00 | andrewjorgensen | Thanks |
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| 05:08.10 | jakea | uugDave! |
| 05:10.06 | byron | yay, it's uugDave! |
| 05:10.58 | uugDave | Haro. :) |
| 05:12.14 | uugDave | I just read on foxnews that the Spirit Rover is stuck because the airbags are blocking it. Can anyone confirm/deny that claim? |
| 05:13.34 | jakea | I didn't hear anything about that, all systems looked good at the news brief I saw this morning |
| 05:13.42 | byron | I've heard that one ramp has not made it all the way to the ground because of an airbag, but there are two other ramps |
| 05:14.44 | jakea | http://sify.com/news/scienceandmedicine/fullstory.php?id=13355721 |
| 05:17.06 | jakea | ya, that confirms pretty much what byron said |
| 05:17.41 | jsmith | Latest status is usually at http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/status.html |
| 05:19.12 | jakea | I tell ya, it's feast or famine when it comes to NASA |
| 05:19.38 | jakea | we either lose contact and never hear from them again, or the mission is extended 3 times |
| 05:19.45 | jsmith | It sure is... |
| 05:20.10 | jsmith | Well... the smallest glitch can ruin a mission... but if that glitch doesn't happen, the mission is a whopping success... |
| 05:20.13 | jakea | I sure hope Cassini goes well in June / July |
| 05:20.17 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 05:20.27 | jakea | the last of the billion dollar probes |
| 05:20.33 | jsmith | I got to help design the DVD on the Mars Rover that has all those names on it :-) |
| 05:20.42 | jakea | cool |
| 05:21.00 | jsmith | So I'm pretty happy to see the rover mission a success... let's hope Opportunity goes well too |
| 05:21.52 | jakea | I just hope you did all your conversions right between metric and standard |
| 05:21.55 | jsmith | Plus, my wife helped tweak the graphics that went on the DVD label... |
| 05:22.16 | jakea | where do you work jsmith, if you mind me askin |
| 05:22.47 | jsmith | jakea: This was a long time ago, when I was working for a company called Visionary Products... two of my bosses were ex-JPL guys... |
| 05:23.14 | jsmith | jakea: We were actually up in Logan when it all happened, doing contract work for JPL and the Space Dynamics Lab at USU... |
| 05:23.16 | jakea | this physics degree has to be worth something... |
| 05:23.45 | jsmith | jakea: It was fun while it lasted... but then they sold out to a dot-bomb and started building internet-enabled bar-code readers :-( |
| 05:23.45 | jakea | I've heard of that lab, I kept an eye on it for jobs for a while. Website sounded like they did some great stuff |
| 05:23.52 | jsmith | Yeah, they do... it rocks... |
| 05:24.01 | jakea | that's a lot more interesting I'm sure |
| 05:24.10 | jsmith | USU has send more projects on the Space Shuttle than any other university... |
| 05:24.21 | jsmith | Anyhoo... the rest, as they say, is history... |
| 05:24.31 | jakea | I thought about doing my Ph. D. up there once... |
| 05:24.50 | jakea | but I ended up back at the Y |
| 05:24.55 | jsmith | I liked it up in Logan... |
| 05:25.19 | jakea | I hear it gets mighty cold |
| 05:27.29 | jsmith | Naw... I grew up in the backwoods of Wyoming... now *that's* cold... |
| 05:28.55 | jakea | eeeekkkk |
| 05:29.01 | jakea | uphill both ways? |
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| 05:29.51 | uugDave | Sheesh, gaim crashed. Had to upgrade. |
| 05:30.02 | uugDave | All is well now. Anyway, about my question: I just reloaded Slashdot. :) Answered. :) |
| 05:34.03 | jsmith | jakea: Yeah, something like that... |
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| 07:32.19 | bonez39 | anyone alive right now? |
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| 14:39.31 | emcnabb | I love this breaking news on cnn.com |
| 14:39.33 | emcnabb | > |
| 14:39.33 | emcnabb | BREAKING NEWS |
| 14:39.33 | emcnabb | |
| 14:39.33 | emcnabb | U.S. terror alert to be dropped to yellow, or elevated, today, sources tell CNN. Details soon. |
| 14:39.41 | emcnabb | talk about vauge |
| 14:41.12 | Hanuman | I thought that was news from yesterday |
| 14:41.21 | Hanuman | Good morning btw |
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| 15:15.06 | BigDog | how can i log syslog messages to a users home directory with the users permissions? |
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| 15:52.38 | hans | breaking news: weather will be warmer or cooler today! |
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| 15:53.53 | Hanuman | it's snowing outside here |
| 15:53.58 | Hanuman | a whole inch on the ground |
| 15:54.05 | Hanuman | it was 70 on Monday |
| 15:57.26 | hans | ~mock hanuman |
| 15:57.41 | hans | ibot really needs to learn some new tricks |
| 15:57.43 | | bugger all, i dunno, hans |
| 15:57.45 | Hanuman | :-P |
| 15:58.38 | hans | i can feel my brain bulging. I just relearned vector basics (for the umpteenth time) for physics. |
| 15:58.59 | hans | i hope every homework assignment doesn't take 4.5 hours :( |
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| 16:00.56 | bonez39 | hans.... |
| 16:01.12 | bonez39 | sounds like a heavy class |
| 16:02.03 | hans | yeah. should be fun though |
| 16:03.33 | Hanuman | hans: what level physics? |
| 16:05.37 | hans | 220 |
| 16:05.40 | hans | electromagnetism |
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| 16:10.23 | Hanuman | that sounds like a really fun class - is it? |
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| 16:19.38 | hans | depends on your definition of fun |
| 16:20.16 | hans | the subject matter is really cool, but there's a boatload of hard math too |
| 16:20.51 | levi | Yeah, electromagnetism is one of the less intuitive parts of Physics, as far as I remember. |
| 16:20.51 | bonez39 | fun for me would be no more foomatic trouble... |
| 16:34.10 | Hanuman | electromagnetism is the essence of storage, though |
| 16:34.18 | bonez39 | can anyone see what I type here? |
| 16:34.24 | Hanuman | bonez39: what did you say? |
| 16:34.26 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 16:34.33 | bonez39 | hanuman? you can see me? |
| 16:34.55 | Hanuman | bonez39: I can't see you - where are you? ;-) |
| 16:35.05 | Hanuman | yes, I can see you |
| 16:35.07 | bonez39 | hans has been helping me with my system..yet memos and messages and just comments here...fly by him as if he can't see me |
| 16:35.12 | bonez39 | funny |
| 16:35.18 | bonez39 | I'll email him.... |
| 16:35.51 | neybar_work | his head is probably hurting from his physics class and just didn't notice |
| 16:36.15 | Hanuman | bonez39: what did you say? |
| 16:39.30 | Hanuman | I'm trying to get our local group here in Richmond to explain why there are 3 Richmond LUGs in the area, whereas they all seem to have the same focus |
| 16:40.40 | neybar_work | Yay! nigerian scam mail |
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| 16:46.29 | mattfred | Hey, I thought they busted that nigerian scam guy a long time ago .. |
| 16:49.13 | Hanuman | but that guy was Australian I thought ;-) |
| 16:50.03 | Jayce^ | one of those guys... like there is only one.. |
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| 16:58.59 | neybar_work | I'm gunna be rich, I get to split $10M 40/55 with this guy |
| 17:02.28 | Jayce^ | not bad man.. now you can get a paintball gun |
| 17:03.53 | neybar_work | woot |
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| 17:34.57 | Jayce^ | wow, another spam got through today... really low score.. |
| 17:35.02 | Jayce^ | interesting what they did to get by.. |
| 17:35.13 | Jayce^ | used the spelling errors (where you can still read it).. |
| 17:35.39 | Jayce^ | only correctly spelled words were mostly religious words (can see how that would fool many personal filters) |
| 17:36.01 | Jayce^ | that gave enough regular words to not overly trip up the html <-> words score |
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| 17:36.28 | Tenebram | they're very tricksy, you see |
| 17:37.28 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:38.04 | Tenebram | filled with lies. |
| 18:01.21 | synic | any cvs users here? |
| 18:02.42 | byron | synic: yep |
| 18:03.15 | synic | byron: how do I allow different CVS users to access different modules in the repository? |
| 18:04.41 | byron | synic: If you are using ssh you will need to make the users members of different groups and then change the group permissions on each module. |
| 18:05.05 | synic | I'm not using ssh, just a pserver |
| 18:05.38 | synic | same deal? Just permissions? |
| 18:06.53 | byron | synic: I don't know about a pserver, I don't use it. |
| 18:07.12 | synic | hrmm, I'll try the permissions thing |
| 18:07.48 | HarleyPig | synic: In CVSROOT there is a passwd file. You can set it up there ... just a minute and I'll find you a link. |
| 18:08.12 | synic | well, I have users in there... but there's no way to specify who has access to what module |
| 18:08.39 | HarleyPig | Oh. I see what you mean. |
| 18:09.03 | HarleyPig | Unfortunately, the only way to do that is to provide different cvsroots. |
| 18:09.37 | Hanuman | are there any decent dnsbl's that are functional any more? |
| 18:09.51 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:09.55 | HarleyPig | What's a dnsbl? |
| 18:10.08 | Hanuman | Bradipo: which ones? |
| 18:10.29 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: dns block list/dns black list/whatever you want to call it |
| 18:10.37 | HarleyPig | oh. Thanks. |
| 18:10.57 | Hanuman | it's a server that keeps a list of known spammers and open relays that you can query to determine if mail is spam or not |
| 18:11.06 | Bradipo | relays.ordb.org list.dsbl.org sbl.spamhaus.org bl.spamcop.net |
| 18:11.34 | Bradipo | I use those and haven't had any problems that I'm aware of. |
| 18:11.50 | Hanuman | cool - thanks |
| 18:16.04 | HarleyPig | synic: http://www.thornleyware.com/scm/cvsconfig/ This might help you. |
| 18:16.19 | HarleyPig | Check B. Individual Access |
| 18:19.06 | synic | k |
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| 18:26.26 | Tenebram | JAKEA! |
| 18:26.26 | jakea | Tenebram! |
| 18:26.32 | Tenebram | ME! |
| 18:26.49 | Tenebram | wait, me? |
| 18:48.05 | HarleyPig | Any PHP coders in the room? |
| 18:49.09 | hans | HarleyPig: define php coder |
| 18:50.15 | HarleyPig | Someone who can answer my perl -> php question. :> I got it answered in #php ... |
| 18:50.50 | HarleyPig | in perl I can do for ( A .. Z ) { } ... in php foreach ( range('A','Z') as $letter ) { } |
| 18:51.43 | Jayce^ | ok, I'll admit it, it's all my fault..... |
| 18:52.00 | Jayce^ | I waited until yesterday to finally download, and go through a couple attempts at installing 2.6.0.. |
| 18:52.04 | Jayce^ | so what happens today? |
| 18:52.10 | HarleyPig | *crash* |
| 18:52.20 | Jayce^ | 2.6.1, source, and 2.6.0 in debian unstable.. |
| 18:52.40 | HarleyPig | Oh yeah ... heh. |
| 18:52.43 | Jayce^ | come to plug next week Tenebram... you'll learn |
| 18:52.58 | Tenebram | Hey, there was a meeting yesterday, wasn't there? |
| 18:53.00 | Jayce^ | still running 2.4 on the laptop, couldn't get pcmcia to work for some reason.. |
| 18:53.08 | Jayce^ | uug meeting I think |
| 18:53.31 | Tenebram | Oh, right, plug. |
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| 18:53.49 | HarleyPig | Uh ... help out for what? |
| 18:54.15 | hans | Jayce^: lol |
| 18:54.17 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, to get evan to present to plug this month, he's making me give a regex presentation to the uug in two weeks |
| 18:54.42 | Jayce^ | hans, so you can thank me for getting 2.6.* out today :) |
| 18:56.01 | HarleyPig | Oh. Sure ... I'll help with that. |
| 19:10.12 | neybar_work | I thought that evan was already giving the presentation |
| 19:11.31 | Jayce^ | no, he's giving the plug one on wednesday, I'm giving the UUG one in two weeks.. |
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| 19:19.48 | Tenebram | JAYCE! |
| 19:20.17 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 19:32.24 | Hanuman | Woah - Redhat's at $20.72 a share now! |
| 19:32.42 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 19:35.17 | synic | hey, can someone help with a sendmail problem? For some reason on my server, sendmail is constantly doing something... I'm not sure what. It takes about 16% of the CPU most of the time. |
| 19:35.32 | synic | I have nothing in mailq |
| 19:35.45 | synic | I only use sendmail on the server to send mail out from scripts |
| 19:35.52 | synic | never do I need mail coming in |
| 19:36.08 | synic | if I kill sendmail and restart it, it's eventually doing whatever it's doing again |
| 19:37.03 | synic | what can I do about this? Do I need sendmail running to send mail out from scripts? |
| 19:37.59 | synic | oh, and while it's running, it's thrashing the hard drive |
| 19:39.12 | Hanuman | synic: depends how you send the mail - you technically shouldn't need sendmail to send mail from a script, no |
| 19:39.45 | Hanuman | you just need a script that can read SMTP protocol and listen/send on the SMTP port |
| 19:39.54 | synic | well, I'm sending it via ruby's net/smtp module |
| 19:39.55 | Hanuman | (port 25) |
| 19:40.38 | Hanuman | I imagine that doesn't need sendmail - you will want to look at the docs or the source to find out what it's doing, though |
| 19:40.44 | synic | yeah, connection refused when I try to send mail |
| 19:40.54 | synic | (when sendmail is shut off) |
| 19:40.58 | tensai | well, you have to talk to an SMTP server somewhere. If you have a mail server elsewhere, I'm sure you could use that. |
| 19:41.28 | tensai | otherwise you need sendmail or some other SMTP server (qmail, exim, etc) |
| 19:41.29 | Hanuman | the only way it would need sendmail is if it physically called `sendmail` to actually send an e-mail |
| 19:41.52 | Hanuman | you could setup your own SMTP server - at least you can w/ perl |
| 19:41.55 | tensai | no, no. sendmail listens on port 25. ruby connects to port 25. ruby sends mail |
| 19:42.29 | synic | hrmm.... |
| 19:43.43 | Hanuman | synic: are you just sending mail or receiving it? |
| 19:44.01 | synic | sending |
| 19:44.06 | synic | I just found a server that will work |
| 19:46.41 | Hanuman | if you write it accordingly, you can connect to any server that listens on port 25 - you just have to establish a connection to the recipient's mail server on port 25 and send the mail using proper SMTP protocol |
| 19:47.11 | Hanuman | That's how I understand it at least |
| 19:47.51 | tensai | you don't want your script to worry about delivering mail to the final destination. you want your local mail server to handle that. that's why ruby connects to the local sendmail server. |
| 19:48.07 | tensai | it doesn't have to be local but you need to send it to a mail server that will deliver it for you |
| 19:48.15 | Hanuman | yeah - I'm just saying the local sendmail server isn't completely necessary |
| 19:49.40 | tensai | agreed. but if he can't find another server, he's gotta run one himself. I'd be surprised if he can't find one. |
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| 19:56.40 | Hanuman | I'm just being a smart-alec |
| 20:15.30 | Bradipo | synic: get your sendmail mystery figured out? |
| 20:15.52 | synic | I found another server |
| 20:16.02 | synic | lol, now I have a new problem. |
| 20:16.04 | Bradipo | qmail? |
| 20:16.16 | synic | if I start my httpd server on boot, mod_ruby doesn't work |
| 20:16.23 | synic | if I restart the server, mod_ruby then works |
| 20:16.31 | synic | in the log after booting, I see this message: |
| 20:16.39 | synic | [Fri Jan 9 13:14:24 2004] [error] mod_ruby: failed to require apache/ruby-run |
| 20:16.39 | synic | [Fri Jan 9 13:14:24 2004] [error] mod_ruby: error in ruby |
| 20:16.39 | synic | ruby:0:in `require': No such file to load -- apache/ruby-run (LoadError) |
| 20:18.21 | synic | Bradipo: nah, I'm just using a remote server |
| 20:21.08 | Bradipo | Oh, that works. |
| 20:22.58 | Bradipo | Can mplayer play wmv files? |
| 20:23.09 | synic | I believe it can with the right codecs |
| 20:26.36 | Bradipo | Have you guys heard of the virtual laser keyboard? |
| 20:26.50 | Bradipo | http://www.ibizcorp.com/ |
| 20:27.06 | Bradipo | It has a WMV video (which is what I'm trying to view). |
| 20:27.18 | synic | hrmm.... there's sendmail running again. after I killed it. |
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| 20:30.36 | lukfugl | question: anyone know what package should I emerge to get lpc (*non-cups version*) |
| 20:31.42 | bartw | Bradipo: but you'd have to look at your fingers while you type... |
| 20:32.28 | Bradipo | bartw: I was wondering about that. |
| 20:32.37 | bartw | the video even says that. |
| 20:32.42 | Bradipo | You may not have to once you have your fingers oriented. |
| 20:32.49 | bartw | "hunt and peck" so it's slower. |
| 20:32.58 | Bradipo | I mean, once you have used it it wouldn't be much different in my opinion. |
| 20:33.08 | Bradipo | They even have an audible click. |
| 20:33.09 | bartw | but it would be nice to replace my Happy Hacker for my server which rarely requires a keyboard. |
| 20:33.20 | Bradipo | Haha, there's a use for it. |
| 20:33.39 | HarleyPig | That's an awsome little toy ... and it's penny stock. |
| 20:33.52 | bartw | not worth $100 though. |
| 20:34.19 | HarleyPig | Give it time ... it'll come dow. |
| 20:34.26 | bartw | "toy" is why it will remain a "penny stock" |
| 20:35.53 | Jayce^ | http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/01/09/bus2.feat.geek.camp/index.html |
| 20:36.20 | tensai | the guy in the video is definitely hunting and pecking |
| 20:36.27 | Jayce^ | we gotta have one of those! |
| 20:37.10 | Bradipo | Yeah, that would be sweet. |
| 20:37.23 | Bradipo | Recreational activities could include Geocaching. :-) |
| 20:37.30 | Jayce^ | of course |
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| 20:38.06 | tensai | they took apart a Toyota Prius rental. that's too funny |
| 20:38.16 | Jayce^ | too cool |
| 20:38.31 | Jayce^ | gotta check out simons 'twingle' |
| 20:38.36 | tensai | I'd love to go on the Lunacy Cruise too |
| 20:39.43 | Bradipo | Hmm, their answer to spam isn't new. |
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| 20:41.24 | Bradipo | The problem with their approach is that nobody really wants to pay to send email. |
| 20:41.37 | Bradipo | I personally like IM2000's approach. |
| 20:43.13 | Bradipo | I think greylisting will work better if it is developed beyond just the initial specifications. |
| 20:43.31 | Bradipo | For example, allowing your users to actually participate in how greylisting works would be a great benefit. |
| 20:43.56 | tensai | I'm impressed with SPF. That would cut down on forged email addresses. |
| 20:44.04 | Bradipo | Then they could login and see all the spam that they are missing and actually check or uncheck misfires. |
| 20:44.19 | Bradipo | The first time SPF was discussed I had a look. |
| 20:44.25 | Bradipo | It seemed alright. |
| 20:44.35 | Bradipo | But I doubt enough people will use it to make it beneficial. |
| 20:44.42 | Bradipo | It relies too much on outside forces. |
| 20:44.54 | Bradipo | Whereas greylisting is something I have complete control over. |
| 20:45.11 | Bradipo | SPF relies on the fact that ISPs will actually participate. |
| 20:45.22 | tensai | true. it can have a gradual adoption and still be useful. |
| 20:45.37 | Bradipo | Oh and, by the way, AOL doesn't actually have any SPF TXT records on their domain. |
| 20:45.57 | tensai | I didn't see them when I looked |
| 20:46.07 | Bradipo | Yeah, they still don't have them. |
| 20:46.13 | Bradipo | SO I don't know where that /.er got his info. |
| 20:46.42 | tensai | I'm sure the /. editors didn't check either |
| 20:47.22 | Hanuman | maybe certain servers do and some don't |
| 20:47.38 | Bradipo | It's not server specific. |
| 20:47.40 | Bradipo | It's domain specific. |
| 20:47.59 | Bradipo | Although you can list individual servers, it wouldn't make much sense unless your domain is @thatserver.domain.com |
| 20:48.17 | Bradipo | i.e. for bounce messages maybe. |
| 20:49.12 | Bradipo | I think if we're talking $.01 charging for emails, then there should be an option to whitelist certain IPs or domains. |
| 20:49.41 | Bradipo | For example, I'm quite certain that no spam will ever be relayed from DJB's mailing list server or possibly other technical mailing list servers. |
| 20:50.01 | Bradipo | Hence, I wouldn't want them to even need to worry about paying for me to receive the email. |
| 20:54.40 | Hanuman | And what about commercial, opted-in spam? That could get expensive for legit companies. |
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| 20:58.13 | Bradipo | Dashboard... |
| 20:58.22 | Bradipo | Sounds a lot like ``locate'' to me. :-) |
| 20:58.45 | Bradipo | Unless it actually pokes inside the file and scans content there. |
| 20:59.57 | Jayce^ | I think that's what they were hinting at.. |
| 21:00.01 | Jayce^ | as well as the tie in to the gui |
| 21:00.20 | Bradipo | Although, I can see the director of IT coming to me one day and asking me what he things about signing up with SMTP4all. :-) |
| 21:00.41 | Bradipo | Spam is getting bad. |
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| 21:01.35 | lukfugl | anyone here wanna walk me through setting up cups to print to a Win98 print server? |
| 21:02.08 | lukfugl | I've tried google, but I just can't seem to find the right search terms |
| 21:02.25 | Hanuman | I like the ideas mhalcrow presented yesterday here |
| 21:03.04 | Hanuman | (for a solution to spam) |
| 21:04.32 | Bradipo | Hanuman: care to refresh my memory on what that was? |
| 21:06.44 | Hanuman | basically using a new protocol to talk to "authorized" servers |
| 21:06.59 | Bradipo | Oh yeah. |
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| 21:07.16 | Oberon | SCOBot? |
| 21:07.16 | Hanuman | those e-mails signed by the authorized servers will be allowed by e-mail clients |
| 21:07.17 | Bradipo | Hanuman: Have a look at http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html |
| 21:07.18 | Hanuman | ^sue Oberon |
| 21:07.31 | Oberon | Linux |
| 21:07.38 | Bradipo | I kind of like IM2000, but implementation is something that may never happen. |
| 21:07.47 | *** part/#utah lukfugl (~kip@67.50.41.115) |
| 21:07.51 | Bradipo | Moving from SMTP to something new is worse than moving from IPv4 to IPv6. |
| 21:08.01 | Hanuman | ^sue Linux |
| 21:08.15 | Oberon | Anyone here up for teaching me about joins in MySQL real quick? |
| 21:08.19 | Oberon | ^sue Hanuman |
| 21:08.30 | Hanuman | SCOBot isn't very smart |
| 21:08.36 | Oberon | figured ;) |
| 21:08.57 | Oberon | come on, it's a simple join |
| 21:08.58 | Oberon | I think |
| 21:09.38 | Hanuman | Oberon: what do you want to do? |
| 21:09.59 | Hanuman | Bradipo: I'm thinking a decent business could be made out of doing e-mail like ssl certs |
| 21:10.25 | Hanuman | Where each person has to apply for a cert to send e-mail |
| 21:10.34 | Oberon | I've got two tables (duh) |
| 21:10.50 | Oberon | one is.. hold on lemme double check |
| 21:10.50 | Jayce^ | hey, you could always have more Oberon :) |
| 21:11.06 | Oberon | ok, I've got procedures, and fee schedules |
| 21:11.15 | Oberon | and doctors but they don't really factor in here. |
| 21:11.39 | Oberon | fee schedules is what matches up doctors with procedures and keeps track of how much each doctor charges for each procedure |
| 21:12.04 | Oberon | so fee_schedules is made up of doctor_id, procedure_id, and fee |
| 21:13.03 | Oberon | what I want to do is select all procedure.description where a fee schedule isn't already designated for the doctor_id we're working with |
| 21:14.07 | Oberon | so I want a list of all descriptions in the table procedure where there isn't a fee_schedule field with the doctor's id and this procedure's id |
| 21:14.20 | Oberon | make sense? |
| 21:15.25 | Jayce^ | no kidding |
| 21:16.09 | Oberon | lemme just tell you the problem |
| 21:16.28 | Oberon | I've got a page where you can create fee schedules - you pick a doctor, then you get a list of all procedures, and you put in a dollar amount |
| 21:16.42 | Oberon | and pick a procedure |
| 21:16.53 | Jayce^ | so you want everything in proc that doesn't have a fee_schedule record with two specific elements |
| 21:17.03 | Oberon | yeah |
| 21:17.09 | neybar_work | select p.desc from proceedure p, fee_schedule f where f.doctor_id=? and p.id=? and p.id = f.proceedure_id and fee_schedule != NULL; ? |
| 21:17.26 | Oberon | 'cause I don't want them to add a fee schedule saying that Bob charges $500 for such-and-such procedure when Bob already has a fee schedule for that |
| 21:18.51 | Hanuman | Oberon: when you say fee_schedule field, are you meaning fee_schedule table? |
| 21:19.01 | neybar_work | assuming I understand your table structure and what you are wanting |
| 21:19.27 | Hanuman | it's tough parsing a moving problem... |
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| 21:19.52 | Oberon | I see where I was confused before now |
| 21:19.52 | Jayce^ | so you dont' want a record with that doctor_id then, because if doctor_id is found, then there is a record. |
| 21:19.58 | Oberon | yeah |