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| 03:01.12 | Tenebram | What was mentioned in here the other day relating to clock drift? |
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| 03:09.48 | brailsmt_ | ntp |
| 03:09.51 | Tenebram | Thanks |
| 03:09.58 | brailsmt_ | np |
| 03:10.37 | Tenebram | hehe |
| 03:15.18 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS is not in its pre-alpha stage. Feel free to play with it (or, better yet, extend it :-) |
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| 03:51.32 | Mecworks | ~ibot convert cubic feet to leters |
| 03:52.50 | Mecworks | ibot convert feet^3 to liters |
| 04:02.56 | emcnabb | mhalcrow, how goes it? |
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| 04:19.53 | jakea | emcnabb: You think I should refrain from making the "Guess who else lives in Texas" comment on the list and get flame war started? |
| 04:20.04 | jakea | +a |
| 04:20.53 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:24.49 | jakea | I take that as a no |
| 04:25.11 | jakea | <---- the only "right wing liberal" on BYU campus |
| 04:26.07 | jakea | excellent.... DS9 season one is on it's way |
| 04:26.17 | jakea | yes emcnabb, that's STAR TREK! |
| 04:26.31 | Jayce^ | ugh |
| 04:26.43 | Tenebram | Wait, I missed something... |
| 04:26.49 | Tenebram | about someone living in texas... |
| 04:27.02 | jakea | uug list |
| 04:27.06 | Tenebram | right |
| 04:27.11 | Tenebram | gah |
| 04:27.32 | jakea | http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html |
| 04:29.20 | Tenebram | and who else lives in Texas? |
| 04:31.34 | jakea | well, right now it should be "who else is from texas" |
| 04:32.21 | jakea | and hopefully come election day, it will go back to "who else lives in texas" |
| 04:32.58 | jakea | I now give you permission to buy and smash my CDs as well bocot my concerts |
| 04:33.06 | jakea | +y |
| 04:35.55 | Tenebram | wow, I suddenly understood that allusion. |
| 04:36.03 | jakea | he he |
| 04:36.09 | jakea | remember... you asked |
| 04:36.15 | Tenebram | I sure did. |
| 04:36.21 | Tenebram | And I find it quite funny. |
| 04:36.26 | jakea | I knew evan would know what I was talking about |
| 04:36.37 | mhalcrow | G'night y'all. I'm headin' on out tomorra to gander on up some Free Software. |
| 04:36.38 | Tenebram | I got it eventually. |
| 04:36.45 | jakea | lol |
| 04:36.51 | Tenebram | I only took me... 20 minutes or so |
| 04:36.54 | jakea | night fellow emacs user |
| 04:37.28 | jakea | and I am totally kidding, I don't judge people by what state they are from |
| 04:37.42 | jakea | if so, I'd hate all the state |
| 04:37.46 | jakea | +s |
| 04:38.01 | jp78 | mmmm, emacs |
| 04:38.11 | Tenebram | wouldn't that be "hate all people" not "hate all states"? |
| 04:38.42 | jp78 | so I'm working on a contract... programming job. every one is using "vim" (there are about 10 of us)... I'm the sole emacs user in the bunch |
| 04:38.51 | jakea | you know what I mean... |
| 04:39.08 | jakea | I'd hate all people/states/races/religions... |
| 04:39.41 | jakea | and I know deep down emcnabb doesn't hate people like me you still like Star Trek |
| 04:40.22 | jakea | jp78: I actually use both. I started on emacs and will always consider it my favorite |
| 04:40.38 | jakea | errr |
| 04:40.42 | jakea | I can't type tonight |
| 04:40.46 | jakea | -you +who |
| 04:41.13 | jp78 | I started with vi, and still use it a lot (it starts up quickly) |
| 04:41.42 | jp78 | I'm not an editor bigot, I use the right tool for the job, but I do like emacs and if I'm spending a lot of time in the editor, I like it the best |
| 04:41.43 | jakea | I've been using vi the last little while, trying to see what's so great about it |
| 04:41.57 | jakea | I'm like that as well |
| 04:42.07 | jp78 | I'll even use "ed" when it's the right tool |
| 04:42.14 | jp78 | (like, when I don't have a real terminal :-) |
| 04:42.43 | jakea | I have a friend that hates both emacs and vi. He uses pico |
| 04:42.50 | jp78 | but I learned emacs when I got my first job, and found that it just made things easier for me |
| 04:43.16 | Tenebram | Pico isn't too bad |
| 04:43.40 | jp78 | pico is okay, and I use it when I'm using pine... I've even suggested it for customers to use because it's so simple |
| 04:44.03 | jp78 | but I really like multiple windows and multiple files when I'm programming |
| 04:44.47 | Tenebram | same here |
| 04:45.02 | jp78 | and etags were pretty handy when I was grinding out C code |
| 04:45.09 | jp78 | (yes, I know vi supports tags) |
| 04:52.25 | jakea | uugggg.. stupid trolls |
| 04:53.01 | Tenebram | trolls? |
| 04:55.21 | jakea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll |
| 04:55.41 | Tenebram | right, but what situation are you dealing with them in? |
| 04:58.17 | jakea | well, it's not quite a troll, but people that make a living out of emailing you off list and correcting your grammar / spelling, etc |
| 04:58.45 | jp78 | heh |
| 04:58.55 | Tenebram | People do that? |
| 04:59.29 | jp78 | not really a troll... more of a pathetic jerk :-) |
| 04:59.44 | jp78 | at least they're not mailing their grammer comments to the list |
| 05:00.11 | jp78 | poor grammer/spelling bothers me, but not enough to complain to people about it |
| 05:00.43 | jakea | I put them just barely below trolls |
| 05:00.50 | jp78 | s/grammer/grammar/ |
| 05:00.56 | jakea | in this case I used "where" instead of "wear" |
| 05:01.22 | jp78 | the most common one is there/their/they're confusion |
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| 05:55.06 | Jayce^ | 'lo harleypig.. |
| 05:59.43 | harleypig | Hi! |
| 06:00.29 | Tenebram | Have any more haiku for us, harley? |
| 06:00.51 | harleypig | No. That took too much time, for too little result. |
| 06:01.06 | harleypig | Although, the satisfaction was there. :> |
| 06:02.05 | harleypig | Yeah ... I think it was after you left Cal. |
| 06:27.48 | emcnabb | anyone familiar with lm_sensors? |
| 06:28.02 | Jayce^ | a little |
| 06:28.30 | emcnabb | I know what my hardware SMB bus is, but I can't figure out which Sensor Chip I have |
| 06:28.37 | emcnabb | any idea on how to figure that out? |
| 06:29.16 | Jayce^ | have you tried just running sensors_detect? |
| 06:32.17 | emcnabb | sensors-detect |
| 06:32.17 | emcnabb | No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. |
| 06:32.31 | emcnabb | I'm just going to try to load all the modules |
| 06:32.34 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 06:33.24 | emcnabb | wait, sensors-detect starts once I load i2c_dev |
| 06:37.09 | emcnabb | haha: |
| 06:37.11 | emcnabb | Subject: [SPAM] Christmas coming up! |
| 06:37.18 | emcnabb | a little late buddy |
| 06:41.02 | emcnabb | night all |
| 08:46.46 | brailsmt_ | s/of/over |
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| 14:55.31 | hans | good morning. life begins anew today. no more vacation. :( |
| 14:55.53 | neybar_work | no doubt, I could get used to 4 day weekends... |
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| 15:08.56 | Hanuman | my life started last week - school just happen to start today |
| 15:09.02 | Hanuman | s/happen/happens/ |
| 15:12.05 | Hanuman | I have to take precalc this quarter - fun :-P |
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| 15:30.39 | Hanuman | Anyone know if Utah State has lost any more games this season? |
| 15:31.28 | Tenebram | I have no idea. |
| 15:31.45 | Tenebram | I haven't followed any game of any organized sport in quite a while. |
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| 15:35.26 | Hanuman | just curious |
| 15:35.40 | Hanuman | I am contemplating driving down and watching the NC State game on Wednesday |
| 15:35.50 | Hanuman | (BYU vs NC State) |
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| 15:59.11 | Hanuman | who is rollergrrl? |
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| 16:24.24 | Hanuman | Question - if you were sending a resume to the author of O'reilly's "Mastering Regular Expressions" (for Yahoo finance), how would you go about sending it - recommend anything unique to get his attention? |
| 16:25.24 | Hanuman | (Note...I've already sent it - I'm just wondering how I could have sent it to make it look any better for him) |
| 16:25.30 | jsmith | Hanuman: Priority mail envelope... with a nice cover letter... |
| 16:25.44 | Hanuman | jsmith: you wouldn't e-mail it? |
| 16:25.50 | jsmith | Follow up with a phone call |
| 16:26.13 | jsmith | Nope... I wouldn't email it personally. |
| 16:26.20 | jsmith | I might follow up with an email though. |
| 16:27.21 | Hanuman | that's interesting - I guess I've been too lazy to snail-mail it. I will have to do that in the future. |
| 16:27.48 | Hanuman | I guess they probably get alot fewer hard-copies these days, so it would catch their attention |
| 16:28.42 | Hanuman | Do you think it would hurt if I mailed it priority after having already e-mailed it to him? |
| 16:30.09 | jsmith | Nope... I'd still snail-mail it, and say something in the cover letter like "I realize that most emailed resumes are promptly ignored, so I wanted to send you a hard-copy" |
| 16:31.07 | Hanuman | jsmith: that's a great idea. I will definitely do that. |
| 16:32.19 | Hanuman | I think I'm a westerner - this East-coast stuff is a bit weird for me |
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| 17:24.42 | hans | ~lart the RB |
| 17:24.47 | hans | w00t |
| 17:25.54 | byron | hans: what class are you taking? |
| 17:27.42 | hans | in the RB? none. Just that you have to be a full-time student or dish out $45 to use the facilities |
| 17:28.02 | hans | I'm taking physics 220, ahtg 100H, and CS 478 |
| 17:28.08 | levi | Is that $45/yr or semester or what? |
| 17:28.12 | hans | semester. it's not so bad |
| 17:28.18 | hans | but all I plan to use is the pool |
| 17:28.26 | levi | Yeah, that's quite a bit cheaper than any gym membership. |
| 17:31.36 | hans | heh. all you sports fans: http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2004/01/03/ |
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| 17:33.14 | mhalcrow | Howdy y'all |
| 17:33.32 | Tenebram | Good Morning, halcrow! |
| 17:33.48 | brailsmt_ | hans: spouses can use it for free, even if they aren't in school |
| 17:34.04 | brailsmt_ | hans: just need a spouse card |
| 17:35.10 | mhalcrow | I got a cat. I named him Stallman: http://halcrow.us/stallman |
| 17:35.21 | mhalcrow | He gets along very well with my hamster, Linus. |
| 17:35.33 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:36.03 | mhalcrow | I'm still in the market for my future dog, Raymond. |
| 17:36.04 | emcnabb | he has a lot of hair like stallman |
| 17:36.23 | brailsmt_ | just don't bathe it |
| 17:36.28 | hans | brailsmt_: they can if I am full-time |
| 17:36.30 | hans | which I'm not |
| 17:36.33 | mhalcrow | I'm thinking about an American Eskimo. They're kinda pricey, and I might have to drive to Louisiana to get him. |
| 17:36.37 | hans | so we'd both have to pay $45. |
| 17:36.53 | mhalcrow | He bathes himself. |
| 17:36.55 | hans | mhalcrow: get a great pyrennese |
| 17:37.09 | brailsmt_ | i hate american eskimos |
| 17:37.16 | brailsmt_ | too yappy |
| 17:37.20 | Jayce^ | malamute |
| 17:37.26 | brailsmt_ | they never shut up the marking |
| 17:37.31 | brailsmt_ | s/mark/bark |
| 17:38.00 | Tenebram | Boxers are nice. |
| 17:38.16 | brailsmt_ | or a weima<somthing-or-other> |
| 17:38.20 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 17:38.25 | hans | our family had a g. pyrennese/lab mix and it was the best dog. big, calm, very good with kids... |
| 17:38.37 | brailsmt_ | boxers are great with kids |
| 17:38.58 | mhalcrow | Apparently, there's a club: http://clubs.akc.org/gpca/ |
| 17:39.27 | brailsmt_ | so when does school start... :) |
| 17:39.37 | mhalcrow | For me... never again :-) |
| 17:39.37 | Tenebram | My family has a boxer, and they love it. |
| 17:39.42 | hans | once walked along with my wandering toddler brother who decided to tour the neighborhood. the guy that found him said the dog wouldn't leave his side (until he got in the cops car, then she came trotting home) |
| 17:39.44 | Tenebram | Boxers are just great. |
| 17:39.53 | mhalcrow | Well, maybe in 9 months, if I get into UT. |
| 17:39.53 | brailsmt_ | me too |
| 17:39.53 | hans | brailsmt_: today |
| 17:41.15 | brailsmt_ | it wasa very good decision |
| 17:41.33 | mhalcrow | Make no mistake. Ruby will one day rule the world. |
| 17:41.38 | Tenebram | brailsmt_: is that a "continue" system or a "list of things I do well" system? |
| 17:42.00 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS is still gonna be in C, though. |
| 17:42.07 | Jayce^ | favorite's are Newfoundland's though... best dog for kids, no contest |
| 17:42.21 | Tenebram | I've never met a Newfoundland. |
| 17:42.22 | hans | a newf would be cool too. esp. if you live near water. :) |
| 17:42.31 | hans | " ยท The Great Pyrenees is descended from the Hungarian kuvasz and the Maremmano-Abruzzese, the Great Pyrenees is considered the aristocratic relative of the St. Bernard and the Newfoundland." |
| 17:42.33 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/Hall_Family/sophie.jpg |
| 17:43.04 | brailsmt_ | it is a system to take a resume in XML format and transform it to text, latex, and html format... |
| 17:43.16 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: the trip to Louisiana from TX is a fun one |
| 17:43.23 | brailsmt_ | so i don't have multiple files to sync up |
| 17:43.46 | brailsmt_ | i have text and latex working, html is next, but it is lower priority |
| 17:44.02 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: I just took the trip from Salt Lake to TX via Moab/Monticello/Cortez/Gallup/Amarillo/Fort Worth last week |
| 17:44.07 | Tenebram | Maybe I have met a newfoundland then... |
| 17:44.24 | mhalcrow | Driving on ice at 9:00pm in the CO mountains is more fun that I can handle. |
| 17:44.25 | brailsmt_ | fact: average time spent looking at a resume by a hiring manager = 15 seconds |
| 17:44.33 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: is that the route 66-69 way? |
| 17:44.34 | hans | Tenebram: http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/newfdld.cfm |
| 17:44.50 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: 666 (renamed to 491) |
| 17:44.52 | Jayce^ | Tenebram, imagine a dog the size of a st bernard, but black, with maybe some white on the chest.. |
| 17:45.14 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: oh - yeah - that's right - it was 666 not 69 - I knew it was some unlucky number, and I faintly heard about them renaming that |
| 17:45.16 | Jayce^ | loves water, and is very good with kids |
| 17:45.18 | Hanuman | That's a fun trip |
| 17:45.29 | Tenebram | Oh, I thought Jayce's picture was of a newf. |
| 17:45.31 | brailsmt_ | 69 is an unlucky number? |
| 17:45.32 | Hanuman | I drove that alone one time down to Houston |
| 17:45.41 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, the highway was 666, but just recently was changed.. |
| 17:45.46 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: I thought so - maybe not |
| 17:45.54 | mhalcrow | All the signs say "Old: 666, New: 491" |
| 17:46.04 | mhalcrow | Changed August, 2003 |
| 17:46.15 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: its not unlucky, but it has other connotations |
| 17:46.15 | Jayce^ | I took care of some newfs in high school, and had a half newf half golden retriever... best dog I've ever had |
| 17:46.24 | Hanuman | I liked the 666 - it was more fun to drive |
| 17:46.51 | levi | A friend of mine has a Newfie. HUGE dog, but very cool. Very drooly and hairy, though. |
| 17:47.03 | hans | brailsmt_: did you leave a partially-filled tupperware here? |
| 17:47.05 | Jayce^ | lots of hair, water repellent... |
| 17:47.09 | Jayce^ | our half newf was 150 lbs |
| 17:47.10 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: get your mind out of the gutter! ;-) |
| 17:47.30 | levi | Bits of doggie drool were plastered to the wall in the house up where it was hard to reach. |
| 17:48.07 | brailsmt_ | hans: i don't know, did I? if so I will be back next week... |
| 17:48.11 | Tenebram | I HAVE met a few newfoundlands, then. I still prefer boxers. |
| 17:48.23 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: gutter? no, no, I am married :D |
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| 17:48.42 | Jayce^ | had a boxer once, never again... |
| 17:48.48 | mhalcrow | All I know is that cats can easily stink up a house. And they threaten to kill your uptime when they get behind the desk. |
| 17:48.50 | Tenebram | Why not, Jayce? |
| 17:49.17 | brailsmt_ | i hate it when cats fart... it is nasty... |
| 17:49.18 | Jayce^ | too much energy, harder to train then some other breeds |
| 17:49.27 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, dogs are worse.. |
| 17:49.45 | mhalcrow | Do I smell the inklings of a cats vs. dogs flamewar? |
| 17:49.45 | brailsmt_ | Jayce^: you haven't seen my oldest daughter... a boxer cannot outdo the energy level of my 6 year old |
| 17:49.47 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: okay - on to other things... ;-) |
| 17:50.05 | Hanuman | my wife wants a cat - I'm a dog person myself |
| 17:50.11 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, my son is almost three, could give a decent run for the money.. |
| 17:50.23 | brailsmt_ | my 6 year old's energy level is on the order of mc^2 |
| 17:50.24 | mhalcrow | Cats are like EMACS. Dogs are like VI. |
| 17:50.26 | Hanuman | Jayce^: when did you get the dog? |
| 17:50.36 | Jayce^ | got this one last october |
| 17:50.42 | Tenebram | Gah, it's better to have something with energy than something with none. |
| 17:50.44 | Hanuman | cool |
| 17:50.46 | Tenebram | My family has a pekingese. |
| 17:50.48 | Hanuman | what type of dog? |
| 17:50.54 | Tenebram | All it does is sit around ll day, doing nothing. |
| 17:51.01 | brailsmt_ | my 6 year old is like a photon in a hall of mirrors... |
| 17:51.05 | Tenebram | s/ll/all |
| 17:51.07 | brailsmt_ | :D |
| 17:51.15 | Jayce^ | half the people on our street have little yappy dogs... it's horrible... |
| 17:51.24 | Jayce^ | makes our lab look like a giant.. |
| 17:51.31 | Hanuman | I like labs |
| 17:51.35 | brailsmt_ | i hate little yappy dogs... that is why i will never get an american eskimo dog |
| 17:51.40 | Hanuman | I owned one growing up - very good dogs |
| 17:51.53 | Tenebram | Little dogs like that I always refer to as "rat dogs" |
| 17:52.04 | Hanuman | They're still better than cats, though |
| 17:52.12 | Jayce^ | wow, somebody just wrote a parrot plugin for mozilla... client side rendering of all the parrot languages! |
| 17:52.22 | Tenebram | at least cats do something |
| 17:52.26 | Jayce^ | Tenebram, soccer balls... doggie snacks.. |
| 17:52.34 | brailsmt_ | cats don't have owners, they have servants |
| 17:52.36 | Jayce^ | cat's have attitudes.. that's part of why they are so cool |
| 17:52.42 | Tenebram | Precisely. |
| 17:52.49 | Hanuman | Tenebram: cats do something? They just lay around all day purring and rubbing up against people |
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| 17:52.49 | mhalcrow | We need a new UUG poll. |
| 17:53.02 | mhalcrow | Stallman head-butts. |
| 17:53.08 | Tenebram | Depends on the Cat, Hanuman. Although I guess the same could be said about small dogs. |
| 17:53.08 | brailsmt_ | cats are fun until they get about a year old, then they are lazy |
| 17:53.15 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, I usually have a cat sleeping on my lap, and the dog on my feet, kinda nice during the winter |
| 17:53.22 | Hanuman | At least dogs can show their stupidity ;-) |
| 17:53.24 | brailsmt_ | tape on a cats paw is fun |
| 17:53.36 | Tenebram | In my experience, cats have been much more interesting companions than small dogs. |
| 17:53.43 | brailsmt_ | or cats with wax paper 'booties' is really funny... |
| 17:53.59 | brailsmt_ | or cats with a tail wrapped in tinfoil is hilarious |
| 17:54.05 | Hanuman | bbl - lunch |
| 17:54.12 | Tenebram | tata |
| 17:54.37 | mhalcrow | See y'all later |
| 17:54.56 | Jayce^ | tube-rats :) |
| 17:55.02 | Jayce^ | *poing* |
| 17:55.05 | Tenebram | Ferrets are great! |
| 17:55.16 | Jayce^ | those who read sluggy.org will understand those last two |
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| 17:55.20 | Tenebram | hehe |
| 17:55.26 | Tenebram | sluggy's great |
| 17:57.14 | brailsmt_ | request for opinion: does a resume need an objective? |
| 17:57.31 | Tenebram | Well, you wouldn't write it if you had no objective in writing it... |
| 17:57.46 | Jayce^ | Tenebram, I was once, but I really gotta avoid that time usage :) |
| 17:57.56 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_, what format of resume? |
| 17:58.03 | brailsmt_ | Jayce^: my very own... |
| 17:58.30 | Tenebram | I SHOULD avoid that time usage... |
| 17:58.32 | Tenebram | but I don't... |
| 17:58.44 | Jayce^ | well, the style type would define if it has it or not, most have that left to the cover letter, some styles have it on the resume though |
| 18:01.18 | brailsmt_ | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~mtb6/resume.pdf |
| 18:05.29 | brailsmt_ | any opinions? |
| 18:06.10 | Tenebram | My opinion is that my lack of sleep last night has just caught up to me and I don't want to grab the mouse that's all the way over on my desk. |
| 18:06.35 | Tenebram | Wait, I don't need the mouse. |
| 18:08.09 | Tenebram | first thing I notice, you list several different linux distributions you're familiar with, but you list just "Windows" |
| 18:08.20 | Tenebram | you don't elaborate on which versions of windows you're familiar with |
| 18:08.41 | brailsmt_ | Tenebram: becuase it takes too much space... |
| 18:08.58 | Tenebram | so does listing different linux distributions. |
| 18:09.02 | brailsmt_ | 'Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP' looks awkward |
| 18:09.08 | Tenebram | I would think it's better to be consistant. |
| 18:09.21 | Tenebram | Or maybe "All versions of windows" or something of the wort. |
| 18:09.58 | brailsmt_ | Tenebram: i did it like that since, I don't want a position which requires windows... |
| 18:10.27 | Tenebram | Then why list windows competence? |
| 18:10.32 | brailsmt_ | but you make a good point |
| 18:11.48 | Tenebram | If you think your way is better, go right ahead. I'm just trying to come up with reasons you might want to change it that you might not have considered. |
| 18:12.30 | Tenebram | But yeah, that looks great. |
| 18:14.07 | hans | Tenebram: did you ever have an et.byu.edu address? |
| 18:14.14 | hans | tenebram@et.byu.edu ? |
| 18:14.16 | brailsmt_ | does 'Windows 2k/XP/NT' look bad? |
| 18:14.26 | brailsmt_ | the 2k part in particualr |
| 18:14.29 | Tenebram | I really don't know, actually, hans. |
| 18:14.30 | Tenebram | Why? |
| 18:14.42 | Tenebram | I'm not familiar with the BYU email system. |
| 18:15.06 | hans | keep getting these bounces (UUG site) |
| 18:15.06 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.10 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.13 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.22 | Tenebram | that's interesting... |
| 18:15.28 | hans | et.byu.edu is the engineering dept. Do you have a UUG web site acct? |
| 18:16.09 | Tenebram | Yeah, but it's with a comcast email account. |
| 18:16.09 | Tenebram | Maybe I tried to sign up in my sleep once... |
| 18:16.13 | hans | heh. well if you could double-check that you didn't use the above email, that'd be great. |
| 18:16.45 | Tenebram | I recieve uug list email at my comcast email address. |
| 18:17.31 | Tenebram | hrmm... |
| 18:17.53 | Tenebram | lemme go see if I can log in with that email and any of the passwords I use |
| 18:19.03 | hans | tenebram: not list email, website email. there's a difference |
| 18:19.10 | Tenebram | right, right, I get it now |
| 18:19.16 | Tenebram | I was a bit confused for a little while |
| 18:19.26 | bartw | If I see a resume that lists linux experience by distro, I assume less linux experience that the resume that just lists Linux. |
| 18:19.28 | Tenebram | and my email there IS set to et.byu.edu |
| 18:19.34 | hans | Tenebram: http://uug.byu.edu/my_profile.php |
| 18:19.37 | Tenebram | I agree, bartw. |
| 18:20.02 | bartw | much better to list what you've done with/on linux. |
| 18:20.12 | Tenebram | hans: all fixed now |
| 18:20.15 | hans | yay |
| 18:20.18 | Tenebram | and I have no idea why it would be set to ther. |
| 18:20.20 | Tenebram | that, even |
| 18:20.21 | hans | heh |
| 18:20.26 | Tenebram | "ther"? |
| 18:20.58 | Tenebram | Now that's just odd... |
| 18:21.01 | Tenebram | Thanks, hans. |
| 18:21.09 | Tenebram | Now I have to figure out what I was thinking then... |
| 18:21.52 | hans | maybe you'll also discover you didn't want to be notified whenever someone adds an account or other silly things. never could understand that option. ;-) |
| 18:23.04 | Tenebram | I didn't realize that I was signed up to recieve those, actually. |
| 18:23.12 | Tenebram | Wow, I DID set this acocunt up in my sleep. |
| 18:23.14 | hans | right, because they were bouncing. :) |
| 18:23.36 | Tenebram | and I didn't know that I wasn't recieving them, because I wasn't expecting them. |
| 18:24.02 | hans | i got a joystick for christmas, and now I can *really* enjoy FlightGear |
| 18:24.15 | Tenebram | or set it up to control your music. |
| 18:24.36 | Tenebram | I was going to do that, but I could get my joystick working. |
| 18:24.54 | Tenebram | I don't quite know how joysticks work in linux, or how usb devices work. |
| 18:25.04 | Tenebram | so I played with it for a day or so, and then moved on |
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| 18:31.13 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: if you're looking for a management job, even if it is Linux, having the Windows on there is nice because they know you can make unbiased decisions |
| 18:32.21 | Hanuman | I would put just "Linux" on there w/ what your experience is w/ Linux (rather than by distro), but list the Windows 2000/XP/98/Me/95/3.1/etc/etc - it makes alot more sense w/ Windows to list versions IMO |
| 18:32.27 | Tenebram | So you should probably include the windows, and just list "extensive linux" or some such instead of listing specific distributions. |
| 18:34.09 | Hanuman | Linux proficient: iptables, make, grep, rpm, apt, apache, MySQL, PostGres, etc. (that's what I do at least to some extent - I don't know if it's the best way, though) |
| 18:35.29 | Hanuman | s/looking for a job/looking to upgrade his current job position/ |
| 18:35.56 | Hanuman | position||salary |
| 18:37.01 | Hanuman | ||benefits |
| 19:06.24 | brailsmt_ | here is what I have done with linux... used it everyday for the last three years, doing normal stuff... |
| 19:07.06 | brailsmt_ | nothing really earth shatteringly important/relevant... |
| 19:10.32 | bartw | So you can't say something like "Ported SCO kernel code to Linux" ? |
| 19:13.32 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: was it for school, home, or what? |
| 19:14.09 | brailsmt_ | lots and lots of development, it was for school and home |
| 19:15.03 | Hanuman | what type of development? what types of programs did you write? Have you built a server out of it? If so, what did it involve? You can add all of that to your resume. |
| 19:15.33 | Hanuman | when I say server I mean mail/web/dns/etc. |
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| 19:20.33 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: yeah, you see it involves "emerge qmail apache sshd" pretty tough stuff... :) |
| 19:21.12 | brailsmt_ | yeah, yeah, /me gets going on making it better... |
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| 19:44.51 | incubi | howdy |
| 19:46.18 | Hanuman | hola |
| 19:46.50 | incubi | anyone done a Suse / eDir / LDAP / MySQL setup? |
| 19:48.52 | bartw | What's the LDAP <--> MySQL relationship? |
| 19:49.22 | incubi | I want to create a user in edir and have that data in LDAP and mysql |
| 19:49.26 | incubi | if thats possible |
| 19:50.21 | bartw | MySQL is pam enabled, right? |
| 19:50.48 | bartw | you could do a couple of things. Set up pam_ldap to poing to the eDir ldap gateway. |
| 19:51.16 | incubi | so make mysql point to ldap too? |
| 19:51.23 | bartw | or skip LDAP entirely, and use pam_nam to access the users in eDir. |
| 19:51.33 | incubi | hmmm...ok |
| 20:00.01 | bartw | should be as simple as installing NNLS, installing mysql, and editing mysql's pam.d file. |
| 20:25.38 | hans | 8 exams. insane |
| 20:26.39 | Hanuman | for one class? |
| 20:28.03 | hans | yeah. physics 220 |
| 20:28.17 | hans | that's including the final |
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| 20:30.32 | Hanuman | man - tough |
| 20:30.40 | mhalcrow | So have we decided on that whole cat/dog thing yet? |
| 20:31.20 | Hanuman | yeah - dogs are better than cats |
| 20:31.27 | mhalcrow | Good. It's settled. |
| 20:31.34 | mhalcrow | We're taking Stallman back. |
| 20:31.37 | Hanuman | w00t - RedHat is at almost $20/share now! |
| 20:32.09 | mhalcrow | And getting an Eskimo. |
| 20:32.19 | mhalcrow | Even though they yap. |
| 20:32.23 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: good - Eskimos are much better than any cat |
| 20:32.58 | hans | what will you call the eskimo? hint: I lived in Alaska for about 5 years |
| 20:33.20 | mhalcrow | I'm torn between Raymond and Stallman (since we won't have the cat anymore) |
| 20:33.49 | hans | I'd call it ESR instead of Raymond. more people will stare |
| 20:34.15 | mhalcrow | :-) Quote of the day: "To prohibit sharing software is to cut the bonds of society." - Richard Stallman |
| 20:38.07 | mhalcrow | What will 5 years in Alaska do to a man? |
| 20:39.26 | hans | i wouldn't know, i was a kid |
| 20:39.49 | mhalcrow | Isn't Alaska bigger than Texas? |
| 20:39.57 | hans | made me like the cold and mock people in warm places like TX maybe? :-) |
| 20:40.07 | hans | more than twice as big |
| 20:40.19 | brailsmt_ | AK is huge |
| 20:40.28 | brailsmt_ | you can have it baked too |
| 20:40.30 | brailsmt_ | ;) |
| 20:41.10 | brailsmt_ | any LaTeX gurus out there? |
| 20:41.24 | hans | woudln't call myself a guru but I hold my own |
| 20:41.30 | brailsmt_ | high today is 19 degrees |
| 20:41.35 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: how cold is it in Fort Worth? |
| 20:41.36 | mhalcrow | I sure know one thing: there's nothing like the Alamo in Alaskan history. |
| 20:41.48 | brailsmt_ | hans: ok, how do I get text to extend into the left margin? |
| 20:41.57 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: 39 degrees in Austin; not sure about Ft Worth |
| 20:42.07 | hans | brailsmt_: that is a non-zen question |
| 20:42.08 | Hanuman | yes! we've got Texas beat. |
| 20:42.20 | brailsmt_ | hans: non-zen? |
| 20:42.21 | mhalcrow | I'm in a short-sleeve shirt today. :-) |
| 20:42.33 | Hanuman | it's probably much warmer in Houston, though |
| 20:43.00 | mhalcrow | Of course, plenty of BYU-ians walk around in little or no clothes during the dead of winter, if my memory serves me correctly. |
| 20:43.06 | mhalcrow | Er |
| 20:43.09 | hans | brailsmt_: you want to do with latex what you should not want to do. non-zen. :) |
| 20:43.14 | mhalcrow | Not ``no'' in the literal sense of the word... |
| 20:43.34 | mhalcrow | Just use whizzy-tex. |
| 20:43.51 | hans | since I'm not a guru, I only know the answers to zen questions |
| 20:44.02 | brailsmt_ | hans: but i do want to do it... and i am generating this tex from a script so wysiwyg is a no go |
| 20:44.08 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: had a chance to make it out to Lake Travis yet? |
| 20:44.41 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Unfortunately not. That's on the list (I have 3 weeks of vacation this year :-) |
| 20:44.41 | Hanuman | probably a bit cold for that right now |
| 20:45.07 | hans | hmm. nobody flinched at that -6 |
| 20:45.11 | Hanuman | IIRC, there's that, Six Flags, and Rangers games that are all a must |
| 20:45.29 | hans | which is odd since you all seem to be using that antiquated fahrenheit system |
| 20:45.47 | Bradipo | I would much rather use metric system. |
| 20:45.54 | brailsmt_ | hans: we are not enlightened... ;) |
| 20:46.22 | mhalcrow | After a certain temperature, I stop paying attention |
| 20:46.30 | mhalcrow | As long as my car starts |
| 20:46.32 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: another one (that I have been to) that you will have to do is take a trip down to New Braunfels (sp?) |
| 20:46.49 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Okay. That's on the list too then. |
| 20:47.15 | Hanuman | We used to go tubing down the Guadelupe there, but there is an awesome water park there, supposedly one of the top in the nation |
| 20:47.25 | Hanuman | I believe it's called Schliterbahn |
| 20:47.31 | mhalcrow | So if you had a choice between a 350z and a mini, which would you choose? |
| 20:47.41 | brailsmt_ | 350z hands down |
| 20:47.42 | mhalcrow | Yes. Schliterbahn sounds familiar. |
| 20:47.47 | hans | are those kinds of dogs? |
| 20:47.58 | Hanuman | It's a big German-settled area |
| 20:48.12 | Hanuman | In the middle of this Tex-Mex state |
| 20:48.15 | mhalcrow | No, but the Mini is just about that size |
| 20:48.39 | Hanuman | Then you'll also have a hint of Cajun here and there, too |
| 20:48.39 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 20:48.58 | mhalcrow | There's a great Cajun restaurant down the street from the IBM campuses. |
| 20:49.19 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: what's it called? |
| 20:49.21 | brailsmt_ | ohh, that looks nice :) |
| 20:49.33 | mhalcrow | There are spice jars on teh walls with nothing but a skull and crossbones on them. |
| 20:49.48 | brailsmt_ | hans: you do it by putting "\hspace*{-12pt}" at the start of the line |
| 20:50.04 | brailsmt_ | Cozymel's is good |
| 20:50.08 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Sambet's, I think |
| 20:50.13 | brailsmt_ | at there in dallas once |
| 20:50.17 | brailsmt_ | s/at/ate |
| 20:50.32 | Hanuman | hmmm...haven't heard of it. Do they have Papadeux in Fort Worth/Dallas? |
| 20:50.37 | brailsmt_ | though that was before I had ever eaten at Beto's |
| 20:51.28 | mhalcrow | Is it time to change this channel's name to #texas yet? |
| 20:52.00 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 20:53.16 | mhalcrow | Is there a community wireless network in Provo yet? |
| 20:53.51 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: if you ever head down to Houston, you *have* to try out Taste of Texas |
| 20:53.57 | Hanuman | best steaks I've ever had |
| 20:54.07 | mhalcrow | Alright. |
| 20:54.19 | mhalcrow | The County Line's not bad 'round Austin. |
| 20:54.30 | neybar_work | Papa Doeux (sp?) in Dallas is good too |
| 20:54.38 | Hanuman | They guarantee the steaks are the best you have ever had or they'll write you a $15k check |
| 20:55.00 | Hanuman | neybar_work: so they do have it there - I love the Papa's chain |
| 20:55.40 | brailsmt_ | yummy |
| 20:57.18 | mhalcrow | Is Wade interviewing people now? :-) I'd like to hear about how that goes... |
| 20:58.12 | brailsmt_ | www.zarda.com <-- get the best BBQ sauce you ever had deliverd to your door :) |
| 20:59.13 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: for what job? |
| 20:59.20 | brailsmt_ | free shipping even |
| 20:59.36 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Dunno. Some PHP web position. I saw it in the Plug archives. |
| 20:59.42 | mhalcrow | But it's from *Kansas*. |
| 20:59.52 | brailsmt_ | what is? |
| 21:00.01 | mhalcrow | Zarda's. |
| 21:00.07 | brailsmt_ | no, zarda BBQ HQ is in Blue Springs MO |
| 21:00.14 | mhalcrow | ?? |
| 21:00.15 | zzzirk | :) |
| 21:00.27 | mhalcrow | ``Kansas City's Famous'' |
| 21:00.31 | Hanuman | zzzirk: you're not in Kansas any more |
| 21:00.34 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 21:00.34 | mhalcrow | Isn't Kansas City in Kansas? |
| 21:00.36 | zzzirk | no, I'm not |
| 21:00.36 | Hanuman | just had to say it... |
| 21:00.38 | brailsmt_ | mhalcrow: no |
| 21:00.42 | mhalcrow | Oh. |
| 21:00.44 | zzzirk | hehe, welcome to my personal hell |
| 21:00.46 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 21:00.48 | mhalcrow | I hate it when they do that. |
| 21:00.52 | brailsmt_ | there is Kansas City Missouri and Kansas City Kansas |
| 21:00.58 | mhalcrow | Name cities after states that they're not in. |
| 21:01.15 | mhalcrow | Like Rome, New York. |
| 21:01.21 | mhalcrow | What's up with *that*? |
| 21:01.22 | brailsmt_ | KCMO is where the Chiefs, Royals, etc are |
| 21:01.23 | zzzirk | Moscow, Idaho? |
| 21:01.31 | brailsmt_ | Paris, MO |
| 21:01.35 | brailsmt_ | Lebanon, MO |
| 21:01.38 | zzzirk | Paris, TX |
| 21:01.38 | zzzirk | ;) |
| 21:01.41 | brailsmt_ | Nevada, MO |
| 21:01.53 | zzzirk | nobody would name a city UTAH though |
| 21:01.56 | zzzirk | bwahahaha |
| 21:02.00 | mhalcrow | There should only be *one* Kansas City. |
| 21:02.03 | brailsmt_ | pronounced "Neh-vay-da" |
| 21:02.26 | brailsmt_ | mhalcrow: that causes problems with taxes... |
| 21:02.30 | brailsmt_ | ;) |
| 21:02.53 | mhalcrow | And luggage. |
| 21:03.54 | brailsmt_ | s/pretty/pretty much |
| 21:03.58 | brailsmt_ | now to use it... |
| 21:04.12 | brailsmt_ | i should say "system" not just system... ;) |
| 21:04.28 | Hanuman | cool - they have a website |
| 21:04.28 | Hanuman | http://www.tasteoftexas.com/ |
| 21:04.49 | mhalcrow | I've stopped eating red meat anyway. |
| 21:05.07 | HarleyPig | That's cool. More for me. :> |
| 21:05.09 | brailsmt_ | i very highly recommend Zarda BBQ sauce, if you have a few bucks, order some... it is the best BBQ sauce you will ever have, IMO |
| 21:05.14 | Hanuman | Taste of Texas will make you switch back |
| 21:06.08 | brailsmt_ | i mean Zarda caters to the Chiefs, what more can be said then 80 big hungry guys snarffing it down :) |
| 21:06.27 | mhalcrow | I'm trying to lose weight. I've gone from 150 to 160 in just one year since leaving school. |
| 21:06.51 | Bradipo | mhalcrow: And 160 is overweight? |
| 21:06.54 | mhalcrow | I'll be posting my results on my web site. My wife forbade me from posting hers. |
| 21:07.35 | mhalcrow | 160 is getting there. It needs to be stopped before it spirals out of control. :-) |
| 21:07.59 | Bradipo | Haha, I guess. |
| 21:08.00 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: you should try Atkins |
| 21:08.08 | mhalcrow | I'm getting a gut. |
| 21:09.01 | Hanuman | Can anyone here eat 64 oz of Ribeye? |
| 21:09.04 | mhalcrow | This man is my inspiration: http://www.bpfh.net/weight/ |
| 21:09.10 | Hanuman | it's free if you can do it at Taste of Texas |
| 21:09.15 | HarleyPig | Are you paying? |
| 21:09.20 | Bradipo | Most I can eat is about 20--24oz. |
| 21:09.59 | Hanuman | I can eat about 12oz at most |
| 21:10.58 | brailsmt_ | the plate had 4 lbs of meat on it... |
| 21:11.03 | brailsmt_ | that is nearly obscene... |
| 21:11.18 | brailsmt_ | it was dinner, a few lunches and another dinner... |
| 21:11.21 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 21:13.08 | Hanuman | mmm...pappasitos... |
| 21:13.09 | Hanuman | http://www.pappasitos.com/ |
| 21:13.27 | Hanuman | my wife won't let us move there, though |
| 21:14.36 | brailsmt_ | this is pretty cool... |
| 21:17.37 | mhalcrow | Strange. My wife won't let us move back to Utah. |
| 21:19.10 | brailsmt_ | mine won't either... but i don't want to, so it isn't an issue... |
| 21:20.27 | Hanuman | My wife is from Utah, so there's no separation for me |
| 21:20.42 | Hanuman | My parents moved out of Texas 4 years ago, so there may be no going back |
| 21:21.53 | synic | oh cool - I found a wireless g card that works in Linux. I was under the impression that none did yet |
| 21:22.11 | mhalcrow | Which one? |
| 21:22.26 | synic | SMC2835W |
| 21:22.47 | synic | it's the prism54 chipset |
| 21:23.49 | mhalcrow | Hmm |
| 21:24.20 | synic | prism54.org has patches for 2.6 |
| 21:24.25 | mhalcrow | Ah |
| 21:24.53 | mhalcrow | I almost got a wireless PCI card once. It was one of those Linksys cards that was *supposed* to have a prism chip in it. |
| 21:25.07 | mhalcrow | Ended up with a Broadcom instead, and I'll never forgive them. |
| 21:25.15 | synic | yeah... I got one of the broadcom ones for christmas. |
| 21:25.24 | synic | in fact, I think you were helping with it on the mailing list. |
| 21:25.42 | mhalcrow | Maybe someone else. I'm not subscribed any more. |
| 21:25.52 | synic | yeah, someone else then. |
| 21:25.56 | synic | I almost got it working... |
| 21:26.15 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: are you on the ldsoss committee list still? |
| 21:26.29 | Hanuman | I haven't checked lately |
| 21:26.37 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Dunno. I think so, because I get project approval e-mails. |
| 21:26.44 | mhalcrow | Maybe that's different... |
| 21:27.06 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: Have you gotten the latest discussion about changing the focus of projects.ldsoss.org? |
| 21:27.10 | mhalcrow | Nope. |
| 21:27.12 | Hanuman | ie not using gforge |
| 21:27.32 | mhalcrow | I'm usually too busy writing code to pay attention to those drawn out discussions anyway. :-) |
| 21:27.52 | Hanuman | k - I'll make sure you're on there - what e-mail address do you want them to go to (or do you want to be subscribed at all)? |
| 21:28.04 | mhalcrow | ldsoss-list@halcrow.us |
| 21:28.54 | Hanuman | k - I'll make sure you're under that address |
| 21:28.58 | mhalcrow | Thanks |
| 21:29.12 | Hanuman | I keep trying to get the switching from gforge issue to be addressed to the regular list anyway |
| 21:30.38 | mhalcrow | halcrow.us was in flux for a little while during my move, and I just got it back up last month. Haven't gotten around to resubscribing to all the lists again. |
| 21:32.12 | mhalcrow | LKML is a lot of fun to follow :-) |
| 21:32.35 | mhalcrow | Gotta go and finish polishing up my BSD Secure Levels patch.... |
| 21:32.42 | mhalcrow | AFK |
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| 21:35.51 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: when you get back, did you get my subscription notification? |
| 21:35.57 | synic_ | sweet. the patch worked, I am now running that said prism54 card. |
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| 21:53.56 | neybar_work | how do I get a list of tables or a table explaination using SQL commands in Postgres? |
| 21:54.34 | brailsmt_ | \help |
| 21:54.42 | brailsmt_ | i think it is \dT |
| 21:54.55 | brailsmt_ | oh... that isn't SQL though... |
| 21:55.54 | neybar_work | I need a good book on SQL, any recommendations? |
| 21:56.41 | Jayce^ | as orbit |
| 21:56.59 | jakea | I have the O'Reilly book on MySQL, and it suits me find, I assume there is one for Postgres too |
| 21:57.07 | jakea | -find +fine |
| 21:59.31 | Hanuman | neybar_work: probably depends on the database, although the basics will all be the same - it's the advanced stuff that varies depending on db |
| 21:59.48 | mhalcrow | Hanuman: Back. No messages yet. It should be the same address that is subscribed to ldsoss@ldsoss.org. |
| 22:00.34 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: hmmm...weird - I'll have to try again tonight - if you don't get one this evening, go ahead and just resubscribe and I'll approve it. |
| 22:00.51 | mhalcrow | ok |
| 22:01.03 | levi | What's ldsoss working on? |
| 22:01.13 | Hanuman | levi: what do you mean? |
| 22:01.34 | levi | Well, I assume the ldsoss group is working on some software. |
| 22:01.50 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS, for one thing: http://projects.ldsoss.org/projects/ldsdps/ |
| 22:01.55 | mhalcrow | But I'm biased ;-) |
| 22:02.07 | Hanuman | ahh...the entire group isn't focusing on one piece of software, but there are a couple projects being worked on, primarily LDSDPS |
| 22:02.28 | Hanuman | I keep meaning on prepping my code for public consumption, but haven't had the time yet |
| 22:03.10 | levi | What does/will ldsdps do? |
| 22:03.12 | mhalcrow | When it comes to Open Source, I find it's best to ``code for public consumption'' from the get-go. |
| 22:03.31 | Hanuman | we're debating right now in the committee (which I'm trying to get those who care most) whether we should stick w/ gforge and host projects ourselves, or move to more of a freshmeat-type system |
| 22:03.38 | mhalcrow | It's a plugin-based framework that manages a database and a GUI. |
| 22:03.52 | Hanuman | s/most/most to post to the normal LDSOSS list/ |
| 22:04.01 | levi | That's what it is; what does it do? |
| 22:04.17 | mhalcrow | Whatever the plugins tell it to do. |
| 22:04.46 | mhalcrow | For example: a home teacher can use a plugin to send home teaching assignments to members of the ward. |
| 22:04.57 | mhalcrow | See ya. |
| 22:05.35 | mhalcrow | The membership list and the home teaching assignments are in the database, and the plugin does something useful with that data. |
| 22:05.45 | levi | Ahh, I see. |
| 22:06.19 | mhalcrow | The idea is to make the data easily shared/updated/modified/etc. within the context of a Church unit. |
| 22:06.57 | mhalcrow | To get rid of all the spreadsheets that litter members' computers today. |
| 22:07.53 | levi | It would be nifty to integrate it with GIS data so you could map out locations and concentrations of members. |
| 22:08.35 | levi | Or you could use it to do a 'sort by geographic proximity' |
| 22:09.13 | mhalcrow | Anything's possible. It's Free Software, and the plugin interface is simple and well defined. |
| 22:09.39 | levi | But anyway, just having the membership info in a generic database would be extremely useful. |
| 22:09.46 | mhalcrow | Which reminds me; I still need to write developer (and user) documentation. Blah.... |
| 22:09.55 | mhalcrow | Yup. It's SQLite. |
| 22:10.10 | mhalcrow | But, as you see from my code, I try to make it database-agnostic. |
| 22:10.24 | levi | I think I'm going to enter my ward's info into a database to help me out in doing home teaching assignments. |
| 22:10.32 | levi | It's just that I hate data entry. |
| 22:10.54 | mhalcrow | Andrew McNabb mentioned something about writing an MIS conversion plugin. |
| 22:11.13 | bonez39 | levi: does your clerk mind sharing that database? I have tried getting such a db and some wards get suspicious about giving out information in that form |
| 22:11.44 | levi | Well, I have access to the MIS system. I suppose I could extract it myself. |
| 22:11.46 | mhalcrow | Most people just replicate the data by hand anyway, in a very insecure spreadsheet, which gets e-mailed around. |
| 22:12.13 | mhalcrow | One of my priorities is to implement strong data access controls into LDSDPS. |
| 22:12.35 | mhalcrow | With encryption, role-based access control, etc. :-) |
| 22:13.06 | mhalcrow | And certain data should never leave Church machines. I.e., tithing records or disciplinary records. |
| 22:13.31 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS should only handle things like names, addresses, and callings. |
| 22:13.38 | levi | Yeah. |
| 22:14.28 | levi | I wonder about the feasibility of a MIS export, so you could transfer updates back into MIS. |
| 22:15.03 | mhalcrow | Start reverse engineering. ;-) |
| 22:15.22 | mhalcrow | Some guy came around the ldsoss mailing list a few months ago ranting about some software he wrote that the Church never bought. |
| 22:15.33 | brailsmt_ | when you paste your text resume into the field it displays in monospace font, but when you preview the resume, it displays in non-monospace font... |
| 22:16.06 | mhalcrow | I think he may have written some import/export stuff. |
| 22:16.06 | brailsmt_ | so your resume looks like crap... |
| 22:16.16 | mhalcrow | Time to start getting creative with your lettering. |
| 22:16.26 | levi | I can't imagine writing something and expecting the Church to buy it without a contract beforehand. |
| 22:16.40 | mhalcrow | Same here. |
| 22:17.18 | levi | What do you expect the relationship of ldsdps and the Church to be? |
| 22:18.15 | mhalcrow | The same as the relationship between Gramps and the Church. |
| 22:19.26 | mhalcrow | The Church can use it if they want. It's really there for members to use in their homes, if they find it helpful. |
| 22:21.27 | levi | I'm just curious about the usefulness of the access control/encryption stuff if it's mainly going to be used at home. |
| 22:21.46 | mhalcrow | I'm a security engineer. It's in my blood. |
| 22:27.24 | mhalcrow | And I'm open to the Church deciding to use it internally. I won't push for it, but I'll certainly provide for it. |
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| 22:32.56 | mhalcrow | Hi Evan. |
| 22:40.38 | brailsmt_ | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~mtb6/resume.pdf <-- comments welcome (that was created from xml) :) |
| 22:41.45 | mhalcrow | Good, except for the Windows part. |
| 22:41.53 | emcnabb | mhalcrow, hey |
| 22:42.12 | mhalcrow | How was the first day of classes? |
| 22:42.20 | emcnabb | sucked :-) |
| 22:42.42 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 22:42.48 | mhalcrow | I'm trying to start again at UT. |
| 22:42.59 | mhalcrow | That should be fun. At least they will be grad classes though. |
| 22:43.08 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 22:43.12 | mhalcrow | What are you taking? |
| 22:43.19 | mhalcrow | (CS/EE side of things, that is) |
| 22:43.43 | emcnabb | cs460, cs452, phy 220 and bio 100 (they won't accept the University of Illinois' bio class) |
| 22:44.13 | mhalcrow | 460 was one of my favorites. Do me a favor and adapt BitTorrent to streaming broadcasts for your semester project, okay? |
| 22:44.25 | emcnabb | haha, that's a good idea |
| 22:44.37 | mhalcrow | It'll make you famous too ;-) |
| 22:44.46 | emcnabb | I guess if I open source my project, other people can help :-) |
| 22:44.58 | emcnabb | GPL of course ;-) |
| 22:45.22 | mhalcrow | Yup. Then pitch it to the Church of their General Conference broadcasts, so those of us without cable can actually see what's going on. |
| 22:45.27 | mhalcrow | s/of/for |
| 22:45.28 | emcnabb | oh, I now have a big IBM "Love Peace Linux" flag |
| 22:45.44 | mhalcrow | You have my approval. |
| 22:45.49 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:45.59 | mhalcrow | When do you graduate? |
| 22:46.23 | emcnabb | April |
| 22:46.27 | emcnabb | thank goodness |
| 22:46.31 | mhalcrow | Going to grad school? |
| 22:46.43 | bartw | emcnabb: not gpl. BSD style. |
| 22:46.43 | emcnabb | I don't think so, even though it would be a good thing to do |
| 22:46.55 | emcnabb | bartw, you really want a flame war, huh? |
| 22:46.57 | mhalcrow | It would be. In most cases (not mine though). |
| 22:47.05 | emcnabb | definately |
| 22:47.17 | emcnabb | you're in a great situation |
| 22:47.50 | mhalcrow | Just finished porting my BSD Secure Levels patch to the 2.6 branch. It's just about time to push it to LKML. |
| 22:48.10 | emcnabb | cool! |
| 22:48.22 | mhalcrow | And I shaved too. I really don't like beards. |
| 22:48.27 | emcnabb | I had my first patch accepted; but it's only a one liner :-) |
| 22:48.37 | emcnabb | I need to shave of my goatee tonight |
| 22:48.41 | mhalcrow | Ready for the spam/ |
| 22:48.43 | mhalcrow | ? |
| 22:49.17 | emcnabb | spamassasin is ready for it |
| 22:49.18 | mhalcrow | If you don't get it now, you sure as heck will once it's in the kernel. |
| 22:49.29 | emcnabb | my addressed have already been harvested |
| 22:49.32 | emcnabb | many times over |
| 22:49.57 | emcnabb | well, off to do laundry |
| 22:50.00 | emcnabb | later |
| 22:50.02 | mhalcrow | See ya |
| 22:50.19 | hans | mhalcrow: UT=U of U? |
| 22:51.08 | mhalcrow | University of Texas (at Austin) |
| 22:51.08 | emcnabb | Austin rocks |
| 22:51.08 | emcnabb | it's a nice place |
| 22:51.08 | mhalcrow | It's above freezing too. :-) |
| 22:51.18 | emcnabb | ok, my clothes are really smelling, I really need to do laundry :-) |
| 22:51.20 | hans | duh. |
| 22:51.22 | emcnabb | bye for real |
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| 22:51.55 | mhalcrow | That's okay; I called it the U of U the first 5 or 6 times too. |
| 22:52.09 | incubi | hey HarleyPig...wake up |
| 22:54.12 | incubi | anyone got a minute to help with a samba install question(s) |
| 22:54.15 | incubi | ? |
| 22:54.23 | hans | so I'm trying to figure out what problem to carve out solutions to in my machine learning class |
| 22:54.30 | mhalcrow | The Samba team is just down the hall from me. :-) |
| 22:54.37 | hans | lliilkjiiii |
| 22:54.38 | incubi | tell 'em to call me |
| 22:54.52 | mhalcrow | Got a support contract? :-) |
| 22:55.04 | incubi | no..but I have beer money :) |
| 22:55.12 | incubi | or sprite..7up |
| 22:55.15 | incubi | whatever |
| 22:55.15 | mhalcrow | That might just work around these parts... |
| 22:55.47 | hans | game (realtimebattle or maybe even bzflag), email classification, or computer music |
| 22:55.49 | incubi | I compiled samaba 3.0.1 and did the make commands...how do I sctually install it? |
| 22:56.03 | incubi | sctually = actually |
| 22:56.24 | mhalcrow | Hmmmm... machine learning... |
| 22:56.35 | mhalcrow | How about network packet classification? |
| 22:56.46 | mhalcrow | To combat the new IM viruses? |
| 22:57.54 | mhalcrow | make install doesn't work? |
| 22:59.17 | incubi | please forgive me as I am sadly new to linux...did a make install and a make installbin and installman |
| 22:59.20 | incubi | worked fine |
| 22:59.30 | incubi | waht is the next step? |
| 22:59.43 | mhalcrow | Now *that's* the hard part. :-) |
| 22:59.53 | mhalcrow | Have you followed a HowTo? |
| 23:00.20 | incubi | yes |
| 23:00.25 | incubi | docs on samba.org |
| 23:00.30 | mhalcrow | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/SMB-HOWTO.html |
| 23:01.05 | mhalcrow | tldp.org is your friend. In general, carefully following the instructions there will get you up and running fastest. |
| 23:01.15 | incubi | once you do a make install does that actually install it or does it just create something so I can install it? |
| 23:01.19 | mhalcrow | Not as good as apt-get, but it's the next best thing. |
| 23:01.42 | mhalcrow | make install copies executables, libraries, docs, and config files into place on your machine. |
| 23:02.25 | mhalcrow | You need to tweak the config files and then run the executable (or set up the inetd crap). |
| 23:02.35 | incubi | reading that now :) |
| 23:03.04 | mhalcrow | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
| 23:03.07 | mhalcrow | That's a good place to start. |
| 23:03.42 | incubi | thank you |
| 23:04.05 | mhalcrow | No problem, and good luck. |
| 23:04.09 | mhalcrow | I'm going home now. |
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| 23:30.38 | HarleyPig | Man ... listening to spammers over the cubie wall ... I need to take a shower. |
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| 23:35.20 | Bradipo | HarleyPig: I thought you were into spamming though. :-) |
| 23:36.38 | bartw | HarleyPig works with spammers, Bradipo works for SCO.... quite the bunch we have in here. |
| 23:36.44 | HarleyPig | I like <a href="http://www.spam.com">SPAM</a> ... I don't like <a href="mailto:slimy@suckerborn.com">SPAM</a> |
| 23:37.02 | HarleyPig | I have to feed my kids. |
| 23:37.13 | Bradipo | Same here. |
| 23:37.16 | HarleyPig | I bet Goerring thought the same thing though. |
| 23:37.37 | bartw | spam is good stuff. I hear saddam was living on it. |
| 23:37.52 | HarleyPig | Has all the protiens and stuff you need. |
| 23:37.58 | HarleyPig | A little too salty though. |
| 23:38.07 | Bradipo | I can only handle spam about once a year. |
| 23:38.30 | HarleyPig | My kids love it. |
| 23:40.49 | Bradipo | I'll be sure to send all of mine to your kids then. |
| 23:40.59 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 23:58.42 | HarleyPig | Holy Schnikies ... these are big time spammers. |
| 23:58.54 | Jayce^ | heh.. where are you at HarleyPig? |
| 23:59.02 | HarleyPig | work. |
| 23:59.07 | Jayce^ | info? |
| 23:59.57 | HarleyPig | Oxyzit. Claiming 1K/1M purchase rate, anywhere from 10M to 50M a *DAY* sent. |
