irclog2html for #utah on 20040102

00:00.12Jayce^sjansen, environment variable it needs probably...
00:01.26Jayce^if I remember right, the pg module needs some path or other for connecting..
00:02.48Jayce^http://search.cpan.org/~rudy/DBD-Pg-1.31/Pg.pm
00:02.54Jayce^lists stuff to look for
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01:20.54torriemibot, slashdot
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02:23.00Hanumananyone know of a good way to parse text of an e-mail to determine if it was a bounced e-mail or not?
02:27.51Hanumansweet! - Mail::DeliveryStatus::BounceParser in Perl
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07:47.58bonez39anyone up this late?
07:49.08jakeanope
07:50.59bonez39just you , eh?
07:51.38bonez39jakea: where would I find more business related people here? I am looking for others who run small businesses...to share ideas about business with...any ideas?
07:53.09jakeaI'm pretty sure that I could not help.  I have a few independent contracts of stuff I do on the side as favors for fiends (read I get paid about a third of what it's worth) but that's about it
07:53.30jakeaand I don't know anyone here that runs a small business
07:53.58jakeaalthough my one word of advice as a former TRAINED and EDUCATED manager is... have good management
07:54.15bonez39ok I'll keep on looking..I know there must be others in this arena who are in business...
07:54.23jakeaoh wait...
07:54.36bonez39oh, certainly, it's all about management...I have learned by sad experience....how important that is
07:54.40jakeaactually... I do have a friend that is not in this circle of people that does a few things
07:54.48jakeahe as a business licence
07:54.57bonez39oh, what does he do?
07:55.04jakeahe's up in Farmington
07:55.04bonez39could you pass my nick here, or email along to him?
07:55.42jakealemme see if he's willing to chat, and ask me later
07:55.55bonez39ok...email is drjones@vii.com if you want to pass that along...
07:55.58bonez39thanks.
07:56.02jakeanp
07:56.46jakeaI thought about getting a business licence and running a small business on the side, but.... I can barely get done what I do now
07:57.21jakeahttp://www.heau.org/
07:57.41jakeaNothing super extra eye candy-y, but it works
07:58.22jakeain fact, I should bug them for an update
08:03.08jakeabonez39:  There, just fired an email off to him
08:12.25bonez39thanks...;)
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08:37.11harleypigAnyone awake?
09:19.19bonez39hi Harley
09:24.57harleypig'lo
13:04.08harleypigCan anyone tell me how I might download an asf file?  I keep getting a config file pointing to an asf file.
15:04.50HanumanHappy New Years+1 everyone!
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15:48.32Hanumanahhh...got rid of the need of M$ Firewall to be installed on everyone's computer - it wasn't pretty, though
15:48.47HanumanI still need a nice, pretty iptables configuration here
15:49.09Hanumanat least I can connect my Mac to the network now
16:11.29sjansenWarning - Incoming Country Spam - Warning
16:11.44sjansenAnd we like to drink our beer from a mason jar
16:11.44sjansenHmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar
16:11.44sjansenO, Yes I do
16:11.44sjansenI like my truck (I like my truck)
16:11.44sjansenI like my girlfriend (I like my girlfriend)
16:11.45sjansenI like to take her out to dinner
16:11.47sjansenI like a movie now and then
16:11.49sjansenBut I love this bar
16:11.51sjansenIt's my kind of place
16:11.53sjansenNo cover charge, come as you are
16:11.58sjansenHmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm I love this bar
16:12.54sjansenGreat lyrics like that just gotta be shared.
16:34.18leviI don't "mind" so much as I fear for your taste. ;)
16:34.27hans:)
16:34.40leviHappy new year, everyone.
16:40.22sjansenI'm listening to a painfully redneck song right now. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Sweet-lyrics-Toby-Keith/6A05FF983ABF61A148256DE3000F1E17
16:41.45sjansenNot one of Toby's better CDs. You wanna see an artist losing touch? Check out "Baddest Boots". Or a painfully narcissistic song? "The Critic"
16:42.06leviThere is good country music, but that doesn't sound like it qualifies. ;)
16:42.57sjansen"I Love This Bar" is actually a pretty fun song. But most of the rest of the song is fun in a different way. (As in so painful it's funny.)
16:45.58sjansens/rest of the song/rest of the cd/
16:46.35emcnabbBYU is a horrible school
16:46.44emcnabbI should have stayed at the University of Illinois
16:46.52Hanumanwhy is that?
16:47.17emcnabbThey won't count many of the classes I took there
16:47.35sjansenemcnabb: Does that affect your graduation?
16:47.37emcnabbI'm going to have to take Bio 100 this semester because they won't accept the U of I's class
16:47.48sjansenWhy did they refuse?
16:47.52emcnabbI have to take more classes
16:47.58emcnabbI really don't know
16:48.09emcnabbI've talked with the lady there 3 times so far
16:48.16hansemcnabb: probably because it was a biology class and not a stupid excuse for a writing class
16:48.20emcnabbI'm going to have my dad call later on today :-)
16:48.25emcnabbhaha
16:48.25hansthe biology people here are full of themselves
16:48.38hansthink they're the best thing to happen to college students since sliced bread
16:48.52emcnabbI can't believe it
16:49.07emcnabbI've sent in petitions
16:49.12emcnabbnothing works
16:49.40hansdid you do well? do you know your stuff? Maybe you can challenge it
16:49.41emcnabbI took the equivalent of Math 112 & 113 at the U of I
16:49.46emcnabbthey wouldn't count it
16:50.01emcnabbI took math 112
16:50.20emcnabbhalf way through the semseter, after I couldn't drop the class, they accepted it
16:50.39emcnabbhans, I'll see what happens today
16:51.34emcnabbThe CS department is 5th in the country! It's not like it is some piece of crap college
16:51.40emcnabbarg
16:51.48emcnabbI'll stop complaining
16:52.04sjansenSay what?! The CS departent is 5th according to who?
16:52.12emcnabbat the U of I
16:52.13sjansenOh, U of I
16:52.19emcnabbnot here :-)
16:52.32hansoh, wow. I was about to have an aneurism
16:52.53sjansenI was about to lose my faith in humanity.
16:52.57emcnabbI should probably go talk to them first, but I have a goatee right now :-) that wouldn't go over well
16:53.01emcnabbhaha
16:53.10emcnabbtalk to them again that is
16:53.13emcnabbfor the 4th time
16:53.17emcnabbthe lady knows me
16:53.27emcnabband she's a #*$%*#$
16:54.04emcnabbso, how was break?
16:54.12emcnabbhans, sjansen, you ready for physics?
16:54.25sjansenBreak was relaxing.
16:54.33hansyeah, I think
16:54.50sjansenAs for physics... well, I'm getting outta here after this semester. By hook or by crook.
16:55.09hansMy goal is to rig my visor to do what the stupid remote control thingy does, and turn it in for full refund on the last day you can do that
16:55.17hansI just hope it has the range
16:55.27emcnabbthat would be cool
16:55.39hansemcnabb: I'll need your help; I'll need access to a computer with an IR port
16:55.58emcnabbI actually don't have an IR port on mine :-(
16:56.05hansi wonder if you couldn't program a universal remote to do it somehow, too.
16:56.15hanswhat? blast. well we'll have to find someone who does
16:56.15emcnabbyou probably could
16:56.22emcnabbsjansen does
16:56.30sjansenI've got something that looks like it might be IR on mine.
16:57.04sjansen"I'll never smoke weed with Willy again."
16:57.09hansif we could get the universal remote thingy working, we could sell the service of setting up your universal remote and undercut the bookstore. that would be so much fun
16:57.18emcnabbhaha
16:57.39emcnabbor if we could somehow DOS the thing
16:58.09hansemcnabb: we _could_ enter the professor's answer before he does every time
16:58.29emcnabbhaha
16:58.37hansor often enough that it seems random, and broken
16:58.58hansmaybe they'd stop using it. such a tactic would have been best back when they were trying to decide whether to use it though (when I took 123)
17:00.13sjansenPlease do. Then I'll turn you in in exchange for them waiving stats.
17:01.23hanslol
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17:03.21leviI can't figure out what in the world you guys are talking about with this IR thing.
17:04.03sjansenIn class quizzes using the equivalent of a TV remote.
17:04.14hansthese 100/200-level physics classes have decided to use an IR quiz system. huge classes (like 200) about 10 IR receivers, and all chaos
17:04.42hansnot to mention $30 a pop for the stupid transmitters. and they only sell back for half price
17:05.52leviWeird.
17:06.00sjansenSpeaking of which, emcnabb, I need to pay your brother for his book/transmitter.
17:06.54leviI would bet that a PDA certainly wouldn't be able to work, unless you were right next to a receiver.
17:07.28leviBut the whole setup sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
17:08.00hansyeah. someone had a laptop working when I took 123
17:08.29hansi fear the pda may be too short of range though. I bet a universal remote, if you could program it, would work. I don't know how those things work though
17:08.59sjansenHave you tried googling it yet?
17:10.41leviI know there are IR boosters for some PDAs.
17:10.55leviProbably for Visors.
17:15.12hansit looks like most universal remotes are actually preprogrammed with tons of different equipment. the learning remotes are more expensive
17:21.47Hanumanit would seem to me like there is some security risk there in using IR
17:22.00Hanumanare the signals encrypted before they are transmitted?
17:22.41hansnot likely
17:23.06Hanumanif not you could encourage them to get rid of the system by setting up a laptop w/ an IR receiver that detects and outputs all IR signals it detects
17:23.21Hanumanand show that to the Dean what is possible by them using that system
17:23.36Hanumanjust don't use it to cheat
17:23.57hanswhat's the worst that can happen? someone uses this laptop to impersonate another classmember and answer incorrectly for them?
17:24.02HanumanI'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to write a program to read the input of an IR receiver
17:24.14emcnabbhans, you should talk to Michael Torrie; he messed a lot with the IR receivers in the chem department
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17:39.38sjansenI'm having a hard time getting use to putting a $ in front of my variable again.
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17:41.40HarleyPigyoh
17:41.44Hanumansjansen: just wait till you program another language after perl - it will feel weird not putting a $ in front of variables
17:41.49Hanumanwassap!
17:41.55HarleyPigcieling tiles
17:42.04sjansenNah, I doubt I
17:42.06HarleyPigerr s/ie/ei/
17:42.15sjansenNah, I doubt I'll ever be programming just perl again.
17:42.38HarleyPigHanuman: Yeah ... I was dinking around with c the other day ... couldn't figure out why int $count wouldn't compile.
17:43.36Hanumanlol
17:45.56HarleyPigHanuman: I just read your message on the pluglist about how that query took too long.  Did you run it through explain to see what was making it take so long?
17:47.32sjansenWhat's Cobolt?
17:47.55HarleyPigCobol<b>T</b>?
17:48.28HarleyPigMaybe cobalt?
17:49.08sjansenYeah, Cobalt from Sun. What's special about it?
17:49.09HarleyPigGoogle is turning up a wide variety.  Anything in particular?
17:49.23sjansen~slashdot
17:49.29HarleyPigOh ... checking
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17:50.27HarleyPigOh.  I don't know.  You'd have to ask somoeone who's actually used the softwrae.
17:50.47HarleyPigFrom what I remember, cobalt was supposed to be really good at networking.
17:50.54HarleyPigwelcm incubi
17:51.21incubihowdy
17:51.23bartwCobalt made the Cobalt Cube.  A nifty little computer in a 10 inch cube case.
17:51.28incubiknow who I am?
17:51.32HarleyPigyeah
17:51.33HarleyPig:]
17:51.48bartwran RH linux on MIPS, I think.   perfect for a lightweight home server.
17:51.56HarleyPigYou're an imp who leads young men astray with sex. :>
17:52.48incubiha!
17:52.53incubiimp or pimp
17:53.06HarleyPig:D
17:53.56HarleyPigoops ... sorry ... that's sucubi ... incubi does it to women.  makes more sense. :>
17:53.56sjansenWouldn't incubi be plural?
17:54.18incubias aopposed to incubus?
17:54.26HarleyPigsjansen: Yeah.
17:54.41sjansenYeah. Although you have to be careful with such words because the origin isn't always what you thought.
17:55.08HarleyPigMiddle English, from Late Latin, alteration of Latin incub, from incubre, to lie down on.
17:55.23HarleyPigdictionary.reference.com is your friend
17:56.09sjansenSo, Maximus Gluteus, what brings you to our neck of the woods (or desert as the case may be)?
17:56.20incubimale and female too
17:57.19sjansenWell, just be careful. The cultural norm around here isn't like much the rest of the net.
17:57.28sjansenFor starters, we all love Country music.
17:57.39incubiIn a masculine form, they are called incubi (singular: incubus), and in a feminine form, succubi (singular: succubus).
17:57.57HanumanHarleyPig: I'll have to look into explain - it was a huge query w/ a couple joins and aggregate functions so it made sense that it was taking so long
17:57.57incubibut you can call me Legion if you like
17:58.10HarleyPigeeek!
17:58.30HanumanIt was fun to write at least
17:58.42HarleyPigHanuman: I've seen queries that take up pages take less than 30 seconds to query a multi-million record db.
18:01.01HarleyPigOf course, what you were doing probably 30s is a little too much to hope for, but still ... :>
18:02.55HanumanHarleyPig: are those on indexed or non-indexed db's?
18:03.01HarleyPigindexed.
18:03.01Hanumanand in MySQL?
18:03.21HanumanI was too lazy to index mine, which I am sure was affecting it
18:03.21HarleyPigYep ... it was on a radius log db I created for a company last year.
18:03.32HarleyPigUh ... year and half ago now.
18:03.55HanumanDoes MySQL support foreign key relationships yet?
18:04.06HarleyPigYeah, but explain can tell you where you want to index it.
18:04.16Hanumancool
18:04.22HarleyPigYeah, but not in MyISAM if remember right.
18:04.31HarleyPigJayce^ could tell you better.
18:04.36Hanumanis that a MySQL client util, or a command-line utility (explain)?
18:04.37HarleyPig`poke Jayce^
18:04.41HarleyPigoops
18:04.44HarleyPig~poke Jayce^
18:04.55ACTION pokes Jayce^ with a cattle prod
18:04.55bonez39what is Gnome's browser? or does gnome have one? I know Konqueror is KDE's
18:04.55HarleyPigWhere's ibot?
18:04.57Hanumanbonez39: galeon
18:05.24bonez39galeon..ah, ok, I tried to install galeon, and it would not install ..had some issues
18:05.29Hanumanbonez39: it's Mozilla-based
18:05.54bonez39ok...is it XUL, or is it natively compiled?
18:05.55HanumanI like mozilla better, but some people swear by it
18:05.57bonez39for linux?
18:06.04Hanumannot sure
18:06.13bonez39I want something that is responsive..fast.and works with most of the plugins..
18:06.30bartwkonqueror.    oh wait...
18:06.37HanumanFor fast, Mozilla Firebird - works with at least most of the plugins
18:06.56HanumanMozilla itself is pretty fast
18:07.11Hanumanyou could get a Mac and use safari - I really like my safari
18:07.37bonez39hmmm I'd love one of those new Macs..with the big big flat panel screen
18:09.14Jayce^Hanuman, if you use innodb (or dbm) table handlers, you can do foreign keys/transactions.. full atomic
18:10.02HanumanJayce^: okay - I'll have to start using innodb from now on
18:10.20sjansenbonez39: Epiphany is Gnome's browser.
18:10.34Hanumansjansen: it's not galeon?
18:10.48Hanumanmaybe galeon is just RH's default browser
18:10.48sjansenNope. And that was a controversial decision.
18:10.51Jayce^epiphany is their new one..  built in more, like konq
18:10.58Hanumancool
18:11.36sjansenBasically, the creator of Galeon got sick of all the features added to it and decided to create a more simple browser. Because it fit better with the new Gnome 2 philosophy, it won.
18:12.17sjansenGaleon is still kicking along, but I don't see much reason to use it anymore. Used to be the most rockin' browser out there, but quality seems lower and Firebird is sweet.
18:12.31HarleyPigOk ... what's the friggen content header to dump an excel file?  I remember the application/ms-excel, I just can't remember the .*: part.  As long as I'm baring my stoopidity ... what's the header for the suggested filename also?
18:13.19HarleyPiggoogle isn't being my friend this morning.
18:14.59sjansenLoving it!
18:15.29Jayce^sjansen, you're welcome..  it's quite a fun module..
18:15.29HarleyPigd'oh ... Content-Type: application/ms-excel, still need filename though.
18:15.35Hanumanonce you use mod_perl you can't turn back
18:15.49Jayce^HarleyPig, you need a content disposition too if it's to be downloaded
18:16.00HarleyPigThanks.
18:16.05HanumanJayce^: ordered my "MOD PERL" license plate yesterday
18:16.16emcnabbanyone know Art Moore's phone number?
18:16.18sjansenincubi: Why do you say that?
18:16.32sjansenemcnabb: Uhm.... lemme see.
18:16.33HarleyPigincubi: Everyone is ... in this channel we help each stay afloat.
18:16.52Jayce^sjansen, you play with stuff like the requires user type functionality?
18:16.59emcnabbhe's moved since he was at BYU so I don't know if RY is right, I guess I could call and check
18:17.13sjansenIt's not. But his wife's was correct.
18:17.21emcnabbok
18:17.23emcnabbthanks
18:17.36sjansenUnfortunately, looks like I forgot to write it down.
18:18.17emcnabbdo you remember what her name is?
18:18.18sjansenJayce^: What do you mean? I've got a directory that requires a specific userid if that's what you mean.
18:18.27Hanumanincubi: we all just pretend to know what we're talking about
18:18.33sjansenWorking on it.
18:19.29sjansenIncidentally, that a trick that I've also used with friends that decided to unlist themselves. They forgot to have their wives unlist them.
18:20.53sjansenHeh, looks like Art's wife (Jen) did though.
18:21.13Hanumaninteresting - ldsoss.org works in safari but not in Konq
18:21.47emcnabbsjansen, is it Jen?
18:21.57sjansenJennifer, actually.
18:22.07emcnabbthe only Jennifer I see is an EFY counselor
18:22.12Jayce^sjansen, I can show you more when I get back.. but it's fun, using a single module, you could define apache config stuff, like require admin, or require myuser, and have the code do the proper validation
18:22.13sjansenBut her number is unlisted. Although you might try ldap...
18:22.22emcnabbthat's what I'm looking at
18:22.23emcnabbhum...
18:22.36leviSafari changes do get merged back into Konq.
18:22.42leviEventually.
18:22.46emcnabbsjansen, I'll just e-mail him :-)
18:23.07sjansenemcnabb: wait
18:23.34Hanumanlevi: cool - maybe I'll start using Konq as soon as it works like safari
18:23.47sjansentry NetID jrr48
18:23.52emcnabbok
18:24.14leviMy Route Y account got axed a long time ago.
18:24.23emcnabbthat's it!
18:24.39leviI guess if you graduate, you get to keep it.  If you leave on less than stellar terms, you don't. ;)
18:32.24sjansenIt wasn't so hard when I was stuck with dial up. But it's getting hard now that I'm home.
18:32.37Jayce^later folks..
18:32.43sjansenHave a good trip.
18:48.41HarleyPig:>
18:49.26HarleyPig-w is too inconvenient.
18:49.34HarleyPigSo is use strict
18:49.39HarleyPigOh wait ...
19:01.11Hanuman~whaleslap HarleyPig
19:01.14ACTION slaps HarleyPig upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
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19:14.28bonez39hans around today?
19:20.33HarleyPigDoes ibot do seen?
19:20.37HarleyPigibot, seen hans?
19:20.44hans is currently on #utah (2d 1h 1m 19s).  Has said a total of 34 messages.  Is idling for 1h 56m 47s
19:22.20HarleyPigbonez39: answer your question? :>
19:24.01sjansenibot seen sjansen
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19:31.03HarleyPigseen anybody
19:31.15HarleyPigibot seen anyone?
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19:31.19Tenebramibot, seen me?
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19:31.47HarleyPigibot seen ghost?
19:31.47i haven't seen 'ghost', HarleyPig
19:31.59HarleyPigibot seen saving private ryan?
19:32.00i haven't seen 'saving private ryan', HarleyPig
19:32.19Hanumanibot seen LOTR?
19:32.20i haven't seen 'lotr', Hanuman
19:32.26Hanumanibot you're lame
19:32.28Hanuman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
19:32.33HarleyPigibot seen me doing somethign I shouldn't?
19:32.34HarleyPig: i haven't seen 'me doing somethign i shouldn't'
19:32.38Tenebramibot seen HarleyPig's left foot?
19:32.38i haven't seen 'harleypig's left foot', Tenebram
19:32.41HarleyPigerr.
19:32.56HarleyPigibot seen leather butt thong
19:32.56HarleyPig: i haven't seen 'leather butt thong'
19:33.04HarleyPigand you should be glad tooo
20:01.58HarleyPigHep me! Hep me!
20:02.08HarleyPigI've got the following:
20:02.17HarleyPigContent-Type: application/ms-excel
20:02.17HarleyPigContent-Disposition: file; filename=$name
20:02.17HarleyPigContent-Length: $length
20:03.02HarleyPigWhen run from the command prompt it's fine.  But from a browser I get random letters.
20:03.06HarleyPigfor the filename.
20:03.09HarleyPigany ideas?
20:05.02Hanumanyou mean when you print "Content-Disposition: file; filename=$name" to the browser you get random letters for $name?
20:05.47HarleyPigYes.
20:05.59HarleyPigerr ... the popup window gives me random characters.
20:06.30HarleyPigI'm not sure if it's  ... hmmm ... just a minute.
20:06.55Hanumanpopup window?
20:07.15Hanumanso the content is random characters, correct?
20:07.30Hanuman(meaning the content of the resulting file)
20:07.34HarleyPigNo.  The save window gives me random characters, the content is good.
20:07.49Hanumanahh...okay
20:10.29HarleyPigWell crap.  What header am I missing in the request:
20:10.55HarleyPigGET /admin/survey.i HTTP/1.1
20:10.56HarleyPigHost: www.cornfieldmaze.com
20:11.23Hanumannot sure - I'm not much of an HTTP guru
20:11.32HarleyPignm
20:11.35HarleyPigfat fingers.
20:11.36HarleyPig:]
20:11.40Hanumanwhat was it?
20:11.43HarleyPigOk ... the $name is coming through ok.
20:11.53HarleyPig(inverted letters)
20:12.02HarleyPigSo, do I have the wrong format?
20:13.12HanumanHere's a handy tool for you:
20:13.13Hanumanhttp://www.delorie.com/web/headers.html
20:14.00HarleyPigThanks.
20:15.02Hanumanthat request looks fine to me
20:15.28Hanumanmatches what I'm seeing at w3.org at least
20:15.42HarleyPigHmph.
20:15.57HarleyPigCould it be the spaces?
20:17.09Hanuman"The Host field value MUST represent the naming authority of the origin server or gateway given by the original URL"
20:17.21Hanumanis that your gateway name?
20:17.43HarleyPigYeah ... I got the request working ... I just fat fingered it whilst typing it in.
20:17.51HarleyPigIt's the return data that's giving me fits.
20:18.18Hanumanoh - okay - I thought you said the data was working
20:18.50HarleyPig:] The data is coming through just fine.  The filename isn't being presented correctly.
20:18.52HarleyPigWhat os are you using?
20:19.03Hanumanokay - I thought you said the $name field was coming through okay
20:19.21HanumanI'm using Windows XP, Linux, and Mac OSX Panther right now
20:19.24HarleyPigIt is if you look at the headers, but the save dialog is showing random characters.
20:19.56HarleyPigwould you go to http://www.cornfieldmaze.com/admin/survey.i and see what kind of save dialog name you get?
20:20.00HanumanI'm ssh'd into my linux machine chatting to you in irc on that box from my Windows XP machine w/ my Mac laptop next to me.
20:20.08HarleyPignice
20:20.33HanumanIs that geek or what?
20:20.44HarleyPigI like it.
20:20.46HarleyPigIt must be.
20:21.38HarleyPighmmm ... maybe it should be attachment; not file; ...
20:21.38Hanumanit downloaded fine - what are you trying to do?
20:21.47HarleyPigWhat name did it present?
20:22.03HanumanFri.i
20:22.41HarleyPigAh.  It should have been Fri Jan  2 13:19:08 2004.xls
20:22.56Hanumanah - okay
20:23.02HarleyPigSo.  I'll replace the \s with _ and see what I get.
20:23.17Hanumanor put \ in front of the \s's
20:23.35HarleyPigThat'd be better ... don't want to confuse the user too much. :/
20:24.00HanumanI'm guessing that would work
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20:25.03HarleyPigWell, crap.  Now it's presenting the name of the script.
20:25.15HarleyPighave I mentioned lately how much I hate IE?
20:26.09Tenebramnot that I've seen.
20:26.14TenebramMaybe you should mention it again
20:26.22TenebramSo, Harley, just how much DO you hate IE?
20:26.34sjansenIE is a piece of trash. The greatest bane to web developers as far as I'm concerned.
20:26.38TenebramAnswer using a creative metaphor for ten bonus points.
20:26.58Tenebramusing the word "enthusiastic" will get you another five.
20:27.45HarleyPigIE is an enthusiastic pain in the creative posterior.
20:27.53HarleyPigHows that?
20:28.54Tenebramthat's not a very creative metaphor.
20:29.12HarleyPigBut I used the word creative ...
20:29.22Tenebramtrue...
20:29.27HarleyPig:]
20:29.28Tenebrambut it's not even a metaphor
20:29.37HarleyPigOk ok ...
20:31.26HarleyPigIE wends its tendrils into you brain, turning them into mush and enthusiasticly suppressing every shred of creative (there's that word again) energy as you surf the web or try to do any kind of programming to handle it.
20:33.21TenebramI'd say fifteen points for that.  Ten for the description and five for the word "enthusiastic"
20:33.44HarleyPig:>
20:33.48HarleyPigyay
20:33.53TenebramIt's not a metaphor though, so you don't get the metaphor bonus
20:34.10HarleyPigpicky
20:34.23TenebramHey, rules are rules.
20:34.38HarleyPigOk ...
20:34.49TenebramI can't just go around throwing out metaphor bonuses to non-metaphorical descriptions!
20:36.03HarleyPigIE shuffles its way into your brain, zombie-like--pieces of rotting flesh dropping off as it goes--causing your brain to turn to mush which the zombie then enthusiasticly begins to devour.
20:36.46TenebramThat one's probablt at least twenty points
20:36.53Tenebramprobably, even
20:37.14HarleyPigThat's when a shotgun, doom style, will help.
20:37.26HarleyPigerr ... no, Quake style.
20:37.50HanumanHarleyPig: now write a Haiku with the same rules - 5 extra points for that
20:37.58HarleyPigI remember when I first realized they were flinging ringpieces at me... :D  I fell of my chair laughing.
20:37.59Hanumanhey - I'll give you 10
20:38.23HarleyPigA haiku with a metaphor?
20:38.30HarleyPigWhat is it, 7 10 7?
20:39.07HarleyPigerr 5 7 5
20:39.31HarleyPigdunno where I pulled 7 10 7 from.  Probably same place as those zombies were pulling the damaging flesh from.
20:41.23HarleyPigInternet Explorer shuffles into brain
20:41.23HarleyPigRotting flesh causing enthusiastic excruciating brain pain
20:41.23HarleyPigbrain shuffles into wintery pain
20:44.39HarleyPigThey're all awed by my haikuness.
20:44.49HarleyPigApparently not.
20:45.26Hanumanwow - it rhymes, too
20:45.31Hanuman30 points for that
20:45.51Hanumanwait - that's not a haiku
20:45.55HarleyPigwell, the last two are the same words, but still ...
20:46.10HarleyPig? I thought the last line had to do with the seasons.
20:46.33Hanumanit's 5 7 5 syllables, not words
20:46.44Hanumanhttp://www.toyomasu.com/haiku/#whatishaiku
20:46.44HarleyPig? Well crap.
20:47.01HarleyPigTeach me to quickly skim a document.
20:47.05Hanumanyour right - it must include a seasonal theme
20:47.17HanumanSkim down to "Modern Haiku"
20:54.04HarleyPigIE zombie like
20:54.04HarleyPigEnthusiastic pain hike
20:54.04HarleyPigBrain wintery like
20:54.15HarleyPigDangit.  I have work to do.
20:57.29Tenebramhehe
21:02.50HanumanHarleyPig: 40 points for that - good job!
21:05.02Hanumanyou should send that one to Joe - he'd like that
21:08.29emcnabbso does anyone here use a finance program (gnucash, quicken, etc) on a regular basis?
21:08.41emcnabbis it really worth it?
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21:11.37incubiwow..HarleyPig..you talk alot
21:14.13HarleyPigThis is a little more verbose than usual for me.
21:16.46leviAnyone here using DSL who can recommend a good ISP?
21:17.12HarleyPigemcnabb: I'd like to but those are a little too complicated for what I want to do.
21:17.46HarleyPiglevi: I like what I've seen of Networld, I haven't gotten it up yet.
21:19.21HarleyPigincubi: Not used to the idea of my talking alot? :>
21:19.28bartwlevi: you in Utah?
21:19.44emcnabbHarleyPig, I'm going to try it out
21:19.59bartwlevi: I like uofu.net.
21:21.18bartwlevi: $9.95/month unlimited use. Static IP, no ports blocked (you can run a server). Bridging mode (lots better than PPP mode). nearly zero down time.
21:21.37HarleyPigbandwidth?
21:23.11bartwthat's up to qwest.
21:23.29bartwuofu.net will support whatever bandwidth package you buy from qwest.
21:23.40HarleyPigPartially ... I had 640/640 with QWest but MSN throttled me to 340/340.
21:24.43HarleyPigWhen I asked them about it and offered to send them my logs from iftop they told me they weren't interested.
21:24.44emcnabbnow that I use a linode I don't care too much about my home connection any more :-)
21:24.52bartwhmm.  I pay qwest for 640/256, and get about 640/270.
21:24.58HarleyPiglinode?
21:25.35emcnabblinode.com
21:25.45emcnabbuser mode linux hosting
21:26.04emcnabbI never did find a connection that was very reliable
21:26.08emcnabbso this works well for me
21:26.22HarleyPig*gasp*
21:26.46HarleyPigThey provide Gentoo!!  Wonder when SMGL will be supported.
21:26.51HarleyPigOr can I do my own.
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21:26.58leviHrm.  I'll have to look into uofu.net, looks like.
21:27.06emcnabbHarleyPig, it's REALLY nice
21:27.26leviI don't want to host anything in particular at home, just have access to it while at work.
21:27.44leviAnd have high speed internet access for browsing, games, etc.
21:28.05HarleyPigOMG ... I like ... I like.  Too bad I just paid up a year at my current host ... but if they're still around I'm converted.
21:28.23leviHow long does it generally take to get a DSL line from Qwest?
21:28.27HarleyPigSo, you can install whatever perl modules, apache distros, etc you want?
21:28.28bartwlevi: xmission is good too, but costs twice as much and only does PPP mode.
21:28.41bartwlevi: 5-10 business days.
21:28.52emcnabbyeah, you have root access on your "virtual machine"
21:28.55leviOK, that's not too bad.
21:29.14HarleyPigstatic ip, all the ports and whatever you want to do with them?  how about daemons?
21:29.19emcnabbyeah
21:29.21emcnabbyup
21:29.26leviMy apartment complex office told me DSL was available, but you never know how up on things they are...
21:29.29emcnabbit's like having a machine in their rack
21:29.34HarleyPigW00T!
21:29.43emcnabbit is SWEET
21:29.51emcnabbthe web interface rocks the house
21:30.44emcnabbHanuman, I liked it too, but I never could find a reliable connection for my pricerange
21:31.00emcnabband people can download from my server at 500 MB sec
21:31.01bartw*cough* uofu.net *cough*
21:31.04HarleyPigOh, definitely, but when you're trying to set up a private contracting service, worrying about whether or not your two year old is gonna push the button when meeting with a potential client is a pian.
21:31.06emcnabbno
21:31.08emcnabbsorry
21:31.12emcnabbhaha
21:31.19emcnabbthat would be 500 KB
21:31.29bartwthought so.
21:31.37HarleyPig5 per 16MB ram???
21:31.44emcnabbbartw, but when I move, I have down time
21:31.55emcnabbHarleyPig, but you're not running X
21:32.03emcnabbI have 64 MB on my virtual machine
21:32.05HarleyPighuh?
21:32.08emcnabband I'm not using it all
21:32.09HarleyPigNot right now.
21:32.21emcnabbrunning X on the linode that is
21:32.25emcnabbunless you really want to
21:32.33HarleyPigOh ... no, i mean, that's a really good price.
21:32.37emcnabboh, ok
21:32.50HarleyPigAnd if I wanted to run an xserver I could.
21:32.52emcnabbit's really not bad at all
21:32.54emcnabbyeah
21:33.03emcnabbyou have complete control over your linode
21:34.11bartwwhy in the world would you run X on your linode?
21:34.19HarleyPigAck ... they don't have many available accounts left.  Do they expand when they get low on available accounts?
21:34.37emcnabbthey ran out last month
21:34.47HarleyPigbartw: Leave a graphical environment running for my wife she can access anywhere.
21:34.54emcnabbthey've been adding more boxes every month or so
21:35.04bartwHarleyPig: that's not X.  That's vncserver.
21:35.20HarleyPigI can put a thin client at home.  ummm ... vncserver sits on top of x.
21:35.42bartwHarleyPig: no it doesn't.  vncclient sits on top of X
21:35.54HarleyPigThey both do.
21:36.34HarleyPigHanuman: My kids are very intelligent.  This same 2 year old unlocked the sliding door with a screwdriver.  It was supposed to be kid safe.
21:36.46HanumanHarleyPig: wow - that is smart for a 2 year old
21:37.22HarleyPigheh ... he know's he's cute too ... I fear for his teen years.
21:37.47HarleyPigbartw: vnc just provides a pipe for X (or Windows if you bend that way).
21:38.00Hanumanor Mac
21:38.10Hanumansorry - just had to bend another way
21:38.27HarleyPigReally?  Cool.  I didn't know they'd gotten one out for the mac. :D
21:38.50HanumanI think so - actually, to tell the truth I haven't really looked - I was just assuming
21:39.02HarleyPigAh. :>
21:39.48bartwHarleyPig: but you can run vncserver without running X.
21:40.17Hanumanhttp://stevek.com/VNC/OSXVnc2.html
21:40.28HarleyPig? I don't see how.  Have you looked at the shell script? (or is it a perl script? I forget)
21:40.42HarleyPigHanuman: Cool.
21:41.51HarleyPigI like the logo for UML ( http://www.linode.com/products/ )
21:42.41HarleyPigbartw: I'm sorry ... I think I was ASSuming something.  You don't have to start vncserver from an X shell ... but it does start one up.
21:43.08HarleyPigSo, you can run vncserver from a command prompt without any problems, yes.
21:44.01bartwit starts Xvnc, not X.  
21:44.09bartwXvnc is an X server of sorts, yes.
21:44.22HarleyPigemcnabb: Did you know you could have multiple distros installed?
21:44.43leviHrm.  Either the apartment complex person was clueless, or Qwest's records are wrong.
21:45.13HarleyPigbartw: From what i remember Xvnc is X using vnc as the display, instead of Xvga or Xsi
21:45.32HarleyPig(or was that Xs13? It's been too long).
21:45.39emcnabbHarleyPig, yeah, pretty cool, eh?
21:45.54emcnabbyou can only have one running at a time though
21:45.58emcnabbwhich makes sense
21:46.14HarleyPigYeah, I saw that.  Yeah, it does, but it'd be nice to test apps on.
21:46.33HarleyPigoooo ... multiple kernels too.
21:47.16emcnabbyeah
21:47.33emcnabbone thing is that you have to use one of their kernels because it is UML
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21:47.38emcnabbwhich for me is fine
21:47.48emcnabbthey keep it up really well
21:47.49HarleyPigYou can watch you 'chine boot!  Now that's geeky.
21:47.59HarleyPigemcnabb: makes sense
21:49.37emcnabbyeah, it's useful
21:49.53emcnabbyou can see any errors, just if you were at the console :-)
21:49.59HarleyPig:] An understatement if I ever heard one.
21:50.05emcnabbhaha
21:51.18HarleyPigHmmm ... maybe we could get a Utah Unix Users Group server going ...
21:51.30HarleyPignaaah ... we're to sot in our ways.
21:51.59incubicall it UUUG
21:52.03incubi;)
21:52.07HarleyPig:D
21:52.16incubiUtah Unix Users Group
21:52.19Hanumanyou are my father...
21:52.25incubiLuke...
21:52.28emcnabbso, I'm doing the PLUG meeting this month on the 2.6 kernel; what are people interested in hearing about
21:52.36emcnabbI'm planning on talking about new features
21:52.42emcnabband little things you have to change
21:52.53HarleyPigThat's what I'm interested in, mainly.
21:52.57emcnabbmaybe giving a demo of menu changes
21:54.02emcnabbcool
21:54.52incubiis there a l337 h4x0r w4nnb3 n00bie PLUG?
21:55.25incubicause I know linux as well as I know...say...HarleyPig's mom
21:55.38HarleyPig:D
21:56.00HarleyPigMaybe not that well. :]
21:56.06emcnabbincubi, we let anyone join us :-)
21:56.35emcnabbthere is a BYU Unix Users Group mailing list though, for people who feel intimdated by asking questions on the normal lists
21:56.41emcnabbnewbies list that is
21:56.47emcnabbthe normal list and newbies list
21:57.13incubithat is on the PLUG web site right?
21:57.18incubithe link anyway
21:58.58HarleyPigyeah
21:59.15incubidon't look at that link HarleyPig
21:59.40HarleyPigWhat link?  You mean this on....aaagghhhhhh!
22:04.45emcnabbhttp://uug.byu.edu/mailing_list.php
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23:11.01incubibah
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23:29.37incubiis there an idle kick on this server?
23:31.30MecworksI think just bad connections.
23:31.56MecworksI'm usualy on for days at a time and notice everyone leaving and joining at the same time over and over again.
23:32.15incubihmmm..k
23:32.27HarleyPigit's you
23:32.48incubihere is a thinker:  Is there a way to take a range of IP addresses and find out what DNS is resolving to them?
23:32.52HarleyPigBesides, you'd get a notice, something like "You were kicked by ... "
23:33.00incubidamn you type fast
23:33.06HarleyPig:>
23:33.35HarleyPigTry dig.
23:33.40HarleyPigdig <ip>
23:34.30MecworksNo, I don't get the kicked messages.
23:34.36incubiI want is thre a script I could write so that all I have to do is throw an argument at it
23:34.37HarleyPigI have to type fast ... I hate condensed text.
23:34.49incubisay  dig 10.0.0.0/8 sho wme all DNS coming at me?
23:35.00incubiand it will do the whole range?
23:36.04Mecworksfor I in <IPADRESSES>; do dig -x $I
23:36.20Mecworksdone
23:39.04HarleyPig-f will look at a file, one ip per line.
23:39.42incubiso...how will that work..will it just do a reverse lookup on it?
23:40.08HarleyPig-x ? yes.
23:40.51incubiso say I wanted to do this for 10.0.0.100 (knowing 10.0.0.0 is private)  what would the syntax be?
23:41.12HarleyPigdig -x 10.0.0.100
23:41.25incubidig --help does not say anything about the -f option
23:41.30incubialthough I still believe you
23:41.40HarleyPigtry man dig
23:41.56incubiaha!

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