| 01:24.21 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you there? |
| 01:26.32 | Hanuman | anyone ever tried group_concat in mysql? |
| 01:26.50 | Hanuman | I'm following the docs and it's saying my syntax is wrong |
| 02:16.29 | Hanuman | stupid habit of putting spaces before () |
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| 02:56.38 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, what mysql version do you have? |
| 02:56.45 | Jayce^ | group_concat requires 4.1 |
| 02:57.14 | Jayce^ | oh, and for those who haven't seen, 5.0 alpha binaries are now available on their site.. stored procs :) |
| 04:13.45 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I figured it out - I had a space before the group_concat and the () |
| 04:14.05 | Hanuman | I saw those 5.0 binaries - very cool |
| 04:18.48 | Hanuman | Man - this is so cool being able to lie down in bed and program |
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| 05:00.22 | Hanuman | Happy new year guys! |
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| 06:58.55 | Mecworks | happy new year everyone! |
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| 18:28.53 | Hanuman | Good morning everyone (oh wait - it's afternoon!) |
| 18:29.39 | tensai | happy new year Hanuman |
| 18:29.53 | Hanuman | Happy New Year tensai |
| 18:30.46 | tensai | isn't that too many letters? |
| 18:30.52 | Hanuman | not for VA |
| 18:31.02 | Hanuman | There's one license plate design that allows 8 letters |
| 18:31.19 | tensai | cool. how long till you get it? |
| 18:31.36 | Hanuman | it says w/i 4 weeks |
| 18:31.51 | tensai | make sure you post some pictures |
| 18:32.02 | Hanuman | certainly |
| 18:32.31 | Hanuman | I almost got the Air and Space Museum license plate (has an SR-71 Blackbird on it), but it only allows 6 letters |
| 18:32.40 | Hanuman | PERL was taken, unfortunately |
| 18:33.52 | Hanuman | There's a guy up in my parents' stake that has PERL -W |
| 18:34.09 | tensai | hee, hee |
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| 18:36.01 | Hanuman | Happy New Year sjansen |
| 18:36.20 | sjansen | And the same to you, my fine sir. |
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| 19:30.19 | sjansen | I seem to remember perl had a cool command line tool for installing cpan modules... |
| 19:31.07 | Hanuman | perl -MCPAN -e "install Module::Name" |
| 19:33.04 | sjansen | thanks |
| 19:33.52 | Hanuman | perl -MCPAN -e shell takes you into the MCPAN shell where you can get help, add options, etc |
| 19:44.16 | sjansen | What's the preferred perl symmetric encryption module? |
| 19:57.01 | sjansen | I'm leaning towards Crypt::Blowfish + Crypt::CBC. Any opinions? |
| 21:03.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, no opinions, but the cpan shell has a lot of tools for browsing cpan.. |
| 21:03.39 | Jayce^ | also, check out the newer cpanplus (installable via cpan :) ) |
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| 21:24.59 | uugDave | Does anyone here have a strong opinion on the ethics of downloading TV shows? |
| 21:27.16 | Jayce^ | it's fair game.. |
| 21:27.24 | Jayce^ | it's a copy of a broadcast.. |
| 21:27.30 | Jayce^ | same as radio |
| 21:27.41 | Jayce^ | as long as it's not sold, it's actually allowed |
| 21:27.59 | Jayce^ | of course old ted turner would hate that |
| 21:28.08 | uugDave | Jayce^: have you got any hard facts to back that up? (not questioning your statement, just curious) |
| 21:38.05 | sjansen | hi! uugDave |
| 21:38.27 | sjansen | I'm not sure if downloading is the same thing as recording. |
| 21:38.43 | sjansen | The person you're downloading from probably doesn't have permission to distribute. |
| 21:42.16 | uugDave | Indeed.. |
| 21:42.43 | uugDave | Though I've never seen a copyright notice on a TV episode. Does that perhaps show up in the credits? |
| 21:42.58 | sjansen | Not needed. Copyright is automatic after 1978. |
| 21:43.22 | sjansen | Although registering does strengthen you case if you decide to enforce your copyright. |
| 21:47.19 | uugDave | So what's your take Stuart? The uploader is at fault, and the downloader is not? Ethically, seems like both are questionable... |
| 21:47.42 | uugDave | But the downloader can always fall back on "How should I know that he wasn't licensed for redistribution..." |
| 21:49.04 | sjansen | I wouldn't do it... And unlike the RIAA you can't really use the excuse that you're fighting some kinda rebellion. |
| 21:49.48 | sjansen | 'Course, it's a tricky ethical question. |
| 21:49.59 | uugDave | Indeed. Hence my inquiry here. |
| 21:50.04 | Jayce^ | but according to the copyright law, you have permission to caputure, and do most any non broadcast activity with it (in original format) just can't do anything with it for money |
| 21:50.37 | uugDave | What is considered "broadcast"? |
| 21:50.38 | Jayce^ | that's why they put the extra license stipulations on dvd's and stuff.. different format, so not affected by the broadcast laws |
| 21:50.50 | Jayce^ | sent for free, over the air.. |
| 21:51.56 | uugDave | Now Cable isn't totally free. What about those channels which can only be gotten via a paid subscription? |
| 21:52.50 | sjansen | Jayce^: Your argument seems suspect. |
| 21:53.37 | sjansen | The courts protected taping of TV broadcasts, but I don't think they ever said trading was okay. |
| 21:55.11 | Jayce^ | I'm trying to remember, and I know it is still a bit of a grey area, but I know there is stipulation for trading.. |
| 21:55.22 | Jayce^ | although the law was written well before modern methods.. |
| 21:55.47 | Jayce^ | but the riaa tried getting it struck down with tapes, and it was upheld by the courts |
| 21:56.42 | Jayce^ | the biggest factors were that the media was a broadcast capture, that there was no sale or gain involved, and that you weren't doing public display |
| 21:56.49 | Jayce^ | eg, theater type setup |
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| 21:57.51 | uugDave | Where can one search to find legal precendent for such cases? |
| 21:58.18 | Jayce^ | uhh, pj coudl help with that :) |
| 21:58.40 | Jayce^ | I just remember discussing it some in a business law class back in college |
| 21:59.09 | uugDave | Ah, college, those were the days, eh Stuart? Oh wait... |
| 21:59.32 | sjansen | ~whaleslap uugDave |
| 21:59.36 | | ACTION slaps uugDave upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:59.36 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:59.42 | sjansen | Ah, much better. |
| 21:59.52 | uugDave | Got a graduation date? |
| 21:59.57 | sjansen | This is my last semester. |
| 22:00.00 | uugDave | s/graduation/agitation/ |
| 22:00.04 | uugDave | Gr00vy! |
| 22:00.07 | Jayce^ | sjansen hasn't had a 'date' in ages :p |
| 22:00.18 | sjansen | ~whaleslap Jayce^ |
| 22:00.26 | | ACTION slaps Jayce^ upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:00.29 | uugDave | Unless you count waiting 48 hours in line for LoTR... |
| 22:00.36 | Jayce^ | but that was worth it.. |
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| 22:37.44 | Hanuman | darn - I was going to give uugDave my $.02 |
| 22:38.11 | Hanuman | I don't like the mass distribution of copyrighted media, as in Kazaa, but I think trading between friends is okay |
| 22:38.48 | Hanuman | the mass distribution introduces something that wasn't available back in the days of recording radio/tv onto tapes |
| 22:39.21 | Hanuman | ReplayTV allows you to share your TV shows w/ family/friends and hasn't lost a case yet in regards to that |
| 22:39.51 | Hanuman | I even heard TechTV, a media station themselves, quote me on my above statement |
| 22:40.38 | Hanuman | Jayce^: what is cpanplus? |
| 22:48.38 | Hanuman | Jayce^: heres what I want to do: I want to be able to read through each message in an IMAP folder and detect whether the mail inside is returned mail, out of office replies, or normal mail - is there a CPAN module or two that will do the majority of this for me? |
| 22:51.52 | Jayce^ | there are some, yes.. |
| 22:52.05 | Jayce^ | what form of imap? Maildir, or mbox? |
| 22:52.05 | Hanuman | any favorite that you've used? |
| 22:52.10 | Hanuman | mbox I believe |
| 22:52.21 | Jayce^ | k, there are some mbox parsers, been a while since I've used one.. |
| 22:52.31 | Jayce^ | allowing you to iterate over messages. |
| 22:52.39 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 22:53.30 | Hanuman | I imagine I'd want to modules - one to read through the messages, another to read the headers and tell if it's returned mail or not |
| 22:54.57 | Hanuman | Mail::Mbox::MessageParser seems like a good one |
| 22:56.06 | sjansen | Okay, I've got a perl module that loads fine as root, but doesn't as other users. Ergo: permissions problem. |
| 22:56.13 | sjansen | Q: What do I probably need to fix? |
| 22:56.55 | Hanuman | sjansen: which module is it? For some module AFAIK it's hard to not install as root |
| 22:57.15 | sjansen | I had umask 077 (copied a user profile). |
| 22:57.23 | Hanuman | s/module(.*)$/modules$1/ |
| 22:57.33 | sjansen | It's DBD:Pg, but I've check permissions on the file themselve and they're okay. |
| 22:57.55 | sjansen | It must be a perl config file that got modified. |
| 22:57.58 | Hanuman | sjansen: it may be referencing a C library or two that has root permissions |
| 22:58.05 | Hanuman | it probably is in fact |
| 23:05.18 | sjansen | Nope, it was directories automatically created during installation. |
| 23:05.28 | Hanuman | ahh - okay |
| 23:05.58 | sjansen | Just learned that find lets you search on permissions. Let's see another OS that lets you do that! |
| 23:06.41 | Hanuman | sjansen: OSX does ;-) |
| 23:07.16 | sjansen | Ah, but do they have all the lovely GNU utils, precious? |
| 23:07.26 | Hanuman | sjansen: like which ones? |
| 23:07.43 | sjansen | grep, find, etc. |
| 23:08.07 | sjansen | In many cases they prefer BSD licensed utils, using GNU when others aren't available. |
| 23:08.19 | sjansen | Whereas Linux has been less shy about grabbing BSD utils. |
| 23:08.27 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah - all those are there |
| 23:08.36 | sjansen | The same ones, though? |
| 23:08.47 | sjansen | There's many verions of find, grep, etc. |
| 23:09.23 | Hanuman | grep -V: grep (GNU grep) 2.4.2 |
| 23:10.37 | Hanuman | I've installed OSX on there, too |
| 23:10.49 | Hanuman | s/OSX/X/ |
| 23:11.08 | Hanuman | all these "X"'s |
| 23:11.44 | Hanuman | so now I can run XWindows apps, too (supposedly - haven't tried it yet) |
| 23:13.03 | sjansen | Então tá bom. |
| 23:13.30 | Hanuman | is that "read the BOM" in Portuguese? |
| 23:14.54 | sjansen | "Well good then." |
| 23:15.55 | sjansen | "Then is good." |
| 23:17.52 | Hanuman | ahh... |