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| 05:02.14 | Hanuman | any mysql gurus in the house? |
| 05:28.43 | AgFish | I no no sql |
| 05:29.23 | Hanuman | I've got a complex sql query question |
| 05:30.35 | AgFish | The only way I will try sql is to put it in access and ask for a sql translation |
| 05:31.28 | Hanuman | ouch - you should really try it - it's not a very complex language to learn, and a valuable skill |
| 05:31.41 | Hanuman | (if you consider it a language) |
| 05:32.09 | AgFish | Agree. valuable, usefull, and beyond me |
| 05:33.20 | AgFish | Hey, I got the teeshirt. maybe there is something usefull there? |
| 05:34.06 | AgFish | how complex a query? |
| 05:34.38 | Hanuman | I need to join unlimited number of rows into a single row based on id from those rows |
| 05:35.18 | AgFish | beyond anythinbg I've run into |
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| 15:06.40 | hans | brailsmt: ping |
| 15:16.21 | bonez39 | I get 1.37 seconds, Hans |
| 15:22.55 | hans | i was hoping for the real thing. alas I think he's in bed. :) |
| 15:25.03 | bonez39 | likely so... |
| 15:25.08 | bonez39 | it's where I should be today |
| 15:34.59 | neybar_work | no doubt |
| 15:36.01 | hans | Today I get to freshen up on my Java |
| 15:36.55 | Hanuman | what's the deal with the XFree86 core team disbanding? |
| 15:37.33 | hans | maybe they're sick of being despots |
| 15:39.03 | hans | a developer/release engineer made the proposal and announcement, and he is "very pleased to say" it, so I imagine it's a good thing. |
| 15:39.49 | Hanuman | interesting - does that mean no more XFree86? |
| 15:41.15 | hans | probably just a political change. but if not, it will be impetus for one of these forks to actually succeed. |
| 15:43.54 | Hanuman | That may or may not be a good thing |
| 15:44.23 | hans | on a core technology like X, the code always survives |
| 15:44.32 | Hanuman | hans: you are correct there |
| 15:46.19 | bonez39 | hans: is firebird your browser of choice? I notice that it is much slower at times, than IE on my windows box...I understand it is written in xul...is that right? what browser do you use most on speed |
| 15:46.50 | Hanuman | speaking of firebird (keep talking btw)... |
| 15:46.53 | hans | bonez39: firebird. although when I had a slow box I would use IE in windows |
| 15:47.25 | hans | it's odd - on a slow box ie is faster but on a fast box firebird and even mozilla are faster than IE |
| 15:47.41 | Hanuman | I switched to Comcast last night and as usual had problems w/ their support - of course they wouldn't even touch Linux to self-install over the phone, so we tried on Windows since "that is what they support". |
| 15:47.53 | bonez39 | that's my problem..I need to upgrade my linux box...faster processor..then I'd fly along... |
| 15:48.25 | hans | bonez39: if you're looking for speed in linux, firebird or galeon will be your best (graphical) bet. of course lynx is faster still... |
| 15:48.34 | Hanuman | We tried for 2 hours and he came to the conlusion that even though we uninstalled it, Norton Internet Security wasn't fully uninstalled and I would have to call Norton to fix it - so much for them supporting Windows. |
| 15:49.05 | Hanuman | So I said "I've got a Linux box - that doesn't have Norton on it" and after some arguing and telling him he just needs to tell me what would be done in Windows and I will do the equivalent in Linux, he agreed to try. |
| 15:49.27 | neybar_work | I have been very pleased with firebird. It is very fast, but it also has a very well planned out UI and great keyboard shortcuts |
| 15:49.44 | neybar_work | http://www.texturizer.net/firebird/keyboard.html |
| 15:50.12 | Hanuman | After about 5 mins on Linux w/ Firebird and him being awed by all the different OS's I have at home for them to work w/, we were able to authenticate and register my cable modem no problem using Firebird. He was speechless - the first words out of his mouth were "what browser are you using?" |
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| 15:50.58 | neybar_work | lol |
| 15:51.08 | Hanuman | I happily said "Mozilla Firebird" and left it at that. I wonder how much money Comcast would save if they would just trust us Linux geeks rather than avoiding us. |
| 15:51.21 | Hanuman | 5 mins vs 2 hours is a big cost-difference |
| 15:51.43 | Hanuman | After we got it working in Linux it magically worked in Windows |
| 15:52.27 | neybar_work | I understand that these "tech support" centers have to assume that you are an idiot, but it shouldn't take an hour of bashing heads with them to get decent support. I hate having to run through stupid diagnostics to get to real support. |
| 15:53.23 | Hanuman | The thing is he kept trying to get me off the phone saying things like "this is going to take awhile - call us back". I told him if I was going to go through all this time fixing the problem they created, he was going to go through it with me. |
| 15:54.04 | neybar_work | I used to try and tell them that I had done what ever diagnostics they were looking for was already done, but I would inevitably spend just as much time arguing. Now I just watch TV, and feed them the answers they expect until I either get promoted, or they go off script |
| 15:54.47 | Hanuman | neybar_work: that's basically what I did last night, and have done previously when I had service with them - at least it's amuzing to let them learn by treating you like an idiot |
| 15:55.03 | neybar_work | no kidding |
| 15:55.18 | Hanuman | it's funny how in reality they end up being the idiots |
| 15:55.29 | Hanuman | I can say that because I started out in Tech Support |
| 15:55.39 | neybar_work | me too |
| 15:56.13 | neybar_work | I like to think though that I wasn't as retarded as most tech guys I talk to. I guess that is subjective though, cause I don't know how I sounded |
| 15:57.56 | levi | Hanuman: What sort of 'install' stuff did you have to do with a browser for a Comcast setup? |
| 15:58.04 | Hanuman | I started out not having a clue about computers, somehow worked my way through the interviews, and faked my way through the tech support calls. Luckily, that is what got me to where I am now. |
| 15:58.42 | levi | Oh, and I can report to you all that the treo 600 is way cool. :) |
| 15:59.23 | Hanuman | levi: if you go to sas.ce1.attbb.net, it gets the MAC address of your modem, sets up an account for you, and other stuff I'm not quite sure of w/i their system. |
| 15:59.45 | Hanuman | They have a self-install kit you can buy that has software that does the same thing, but that didn't work because Windows broke it. |
| 16:00.17 | Hanuman | I now know to just tell them I bought a self-install kit and have them walk me through it over the phone. |
| 16:00.53 | Hanuman | levi: you bought one eh? I'm jealous. |
| 16:01.01 | levi | I got one for Christmas. :) |
| 16:01.27 | Hanuman | have you installed ssh on it yet? |
| 16:01.34 | levi | Nope. |
| 16:01.56 | Hanuman | I think there are a few ssh programs out there for Palm that ought to work |
| 16:02.02 | levi | I have an email program, an instant messenger program, etc. |
| 16:02.11 | Hanuman | very cool |
| 16:02.39 | Hanuman | OSX Panther is *way* cool |
| 16:02.57 | Hanuman | I love watching the cube go around when I switch users |
| 16:03.36 | levi | I haven't even installed multiple users on my Panther box yet. |
| 16:03.49 | levi | I did hack it for multiple monitor support, though. :) |
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| 16:04.36 | Hanuman | levi: can you get panther to do multiple desktops? |
| 16:05.40 | levi | Hanuman: What video chipset does the iBook have? |
| 16:05.48 | levi | I used an openfirmware hack to get it to work. |
| 16:06.05 | levi | I think it only works on the Radeon chipsets. |
| 16:07.30 | Hanuman | levi: it's Radeon |
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| 16:08.30 | Hanuman | The other thing I don't like about it is they don't make it very easy to join a closed Wireless network |
| 16:08.47 | Hanuman | I can only get it to work by broadcasting the SSID through my router |
| 16:08.58 | Hanuman | s/router/WAP/ |
| 16:09.19 | Hanuman | I haven't tried very long, though |
| 16:12.10 | levi | Hanuman: Do a google search for it... I can't remember where the site is anymore, but there's an applescript you can download that'll do the hack for you, or you can enter it manually. |
| 16:12.58 | Hanuman | levi: tnx |
| 16:13.14 | levi | You probably have to get a VGA adaptor, too. |
| 16:13.28 | Hanuman | Now that I'm a Mac user, guess I'll need to learn applescript |
| 16:13.33 | levi | They have them at CompUSA or whatever Mac specialty stores in your area. |
| 16:13.38 | Hanuman | levi: I think one came w/ my laptop |
| 16:13.57 | levi | Well, I've managed to avoid learning Applescript, though I've looked at it enough to find that it would be nifty. |
| 16:14.48 | Hanuman | Darwin make applescript almost unnecessary |
| 16:15.00 | levi | Not really. |
| 16:15.10 | levi | Applescript lets you script GUI apps. |
| 16:15.52 | Hanuman | KDE is making progress on Qt for Mac - you could always use that |
| 16:16.02 | levi | Why would you want to? |
| 16:16.27 | Hanuman | I don't know - I'm just throwing out ideas. |
| 16:18.17 | levi | Applescript is really powerful, though. I don't think many GUI environments have anything like it. |
| 16:18.32 | Hanuman | levi: it sounds cool |
| 16:36.22 | Hanuman | woah - that was weird - I just connected to a terminal services client in Windows w/ a VNC session in it back to my own machine - talk about the mirror effect |
| 17:04.09 | Jayce^ | hanuman, look for codetek virtual desktop.. |
| 17:04.30 | Jayce^ | they have a link for a demo at versiontracker |
| 17:06.15 | neybar_work | Hanuman: I am still trying to figure out what jesse wants to do |
| 17:08.31 | neybar_work | lol |
| 17:09.09 | neybar_work | them nicks will get you every time |
| 17:09.11 | Hanuman | I either want to take multiple-returned rows and combine them into a single-row, or concat the returned rows into a single column |
| 17:09.25 | Hanuman | neybar_work: np - I do it all the time, too |
| 17:09.27 | Jayce^ | group_concat in 4.1 maybe |
| 17:10.00 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I'll have to look into that one - what does it do? |
| 17:10.09 | Jayce^ | virtual desktops, like e.. |
| 17:10.24 | Jayce^ | gotta reboot this machine back into win for the mother in law (love linux runtime cd's).. |
| 17:10.25 | Jayce^ | bbiab |
| 17:11.06 | neybar_work | are you trying to group just one column into one row? |
| 17:12.38 | Hanuman | neybar_work: yeah, but I want multiple columns to be grouped into a single row |
| 17:13.02 | Hanuman | so, for instance, I have a fieldName column and a content column |
| 17:13.11 | Hanuman | each of those has a contactID key |
| 17:13.36 | Hanuman | if I select all fieldNames and contents for a single contact ID, I want the row returned as follows: |
| 17:13.59 | Hanuman | fieldName1, content1, fieldName2, content2, fieldName3, content3 |
| 17:14.30 | Hanuman | where the numbers correspond to the normal row number that those values would be returned on |
| 17:14.39 | Hanuman | does that make sense? |
| 17:14.39 | neybar_work | the next question is why does it need to be returned in one row? |
| 17:14.45 | neybar_work | yes |
| 17:15.12 | Hanuman | because they are contact information that I want to return with statistics pertaining to each contact |
| 17:15.19 | Hanuman | a view would be ideal |
| 17:15.27 | neybar_work | in essense you want to turn the results visually speaking on its side |
| 17:16.04 | Hanuman | neybar_work: yes |
| 17:17.04 | neybar_work | I'm not sure how you would do that through SQL. Seems like it would be much easier to run a query and then concat the info through someother controlling language (Perl) |
| 17:18.10 | neybar_work | mysql> SELECT student_name, |
| 17:18.10 | neybar_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.10 | neybar_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.10 | neybar_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.19 | neybar_work | looks like a good direction to head though |
| 17:20.33 | neybar_work | I don't have a mysql db handy to test that on. Looks to me that you can get all the rows in one column, but I don't think it will do the result1,result2,result3 thing like you want |
| 17:23.21 | Hanuman | neybar_work: looks like group_concat may be what I want |
| 17:23.48 | neybar_work | cool |
| 17:23.56 | Hanuman | I know I could control it through another language - I'm just a stickler for trying to do it in SQL if it's possible (and I want to figure out how to do it) |
| 17:24.07 | Hanuman | I'd also like to know if there is an equivalent for a view in MySQL |
| 17:24.20 | neybar_work | I don't think so, at least not yet |
| 17:24.31 | Hanuman | that would completely solve my problem |
| 17:24.45 | Hanuman | concat does a good enough job, though |
| 17:26.12 | neybar_work | I'm no view guru, but I am not seeing how a view would help. Isn't a view just a virtual table? A SQL query whos results are then queriable? |
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| 17:27.41 | neybar_work | howdy HarleyPig |
| 17:27.53 | HarleyPig | 'lo |
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| 17:33.22 | Hanuman | neybar_work: thinking about it, I guess a view may be a bit innapropriate in this instance |
| 17:33.42 | Hanuman | I'd have to basically create a view for each virtual 'record' returned |
| 17:34.29 | neybar_work | that makes sense |
| 17:34.42 | brailsmt | anybody know why i am getting two copies of email? One copy is in my inbox, the other is in the folder as specified in my .procmailrc, it is like the mail gets delivered to my inbox regardless of filtering, and then it also gets delivered to the right mailbox... |
| 17:34.52 | brailsmt | i am using qmail and procmail |
| 17:37.23 | neybar_work | what is the recipe? |
| 17:37.49 | neybar_work | speaking of procmail... did you get that ripmime thing working HarleyPig |
| 17:37.50 | brailsmt | all of them |
| 17:38.00 | HarleyPig | brailsmt: I was having the same problem the other day ... I have no idea how I fixed it, other than retyping the recipe carefully. |
| 17:38.10 | HarleyPig | neybar_work: Yeah. But I don't know how. |
| 17:38.22 | neybar_work | lol |
| 17:39.09 | neybar_work | brailsmt: no idea |
| 17:39.30 | neybar_work | do the logs show two entries for each piece of mail? |
| 17:43.16 | Hanuman | brailsmt: what distro are you using? |
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| 18:26.05 | HarleyPig | Hey, how do I call a macro again? |
| 18:26.07 | HarleyPig | in vim |
| 18:26.46 | hans | define macro |
| 18:28.35 | hans | in vim a macro is a mapping, which always happens when you press the mapped key (sequence) |
| 18:29.11 | hans | or do you mean what you recorded into a register with q? @<register> |
| 18:29.29 | hans | e.g. qa<do stuff>q then @a when you want to 'replay' |
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| 18:40.13 | levi | Oh, after moving all my crap, I've realized that I REALLY need to get rid of a lot of it. |
| 18:40.32 | levi | So, I will likely be selling/giving a lot of old computer equipment in the next little while. |
| 18:41.22 | levi | Sun ELCs, old monitors, old PCs, misc parts. |
| 18:41.53 | levi | I'll put a list of stuff online in the next couple of weeks as I get all settled in, and I'll pass the URL around here. |
| 18:43.33 | hans | cool. I'll be watching for it |
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| 19:12.45 | Hanuman | Anyone know if the LDS church takes donated old computers? |
| 19:13.39 | Hanuman | I know the local wards don't (well, unless someone in the ward needs one), but does Church Headquarters take them? |
| 19:13.48 | sjansen | You know, it really bugs me when I download an app that claims it supports postgresql and it doesn't work. I dig into the code to try and fix any small errors and discover it full of MySQLisms. |
| 19:14.17 | sjansen | I think that's the biggest thing about MySQL that bugs me. So many pointless little quirks. |
| 19:22.05 | bonez39 | sjansen: it's like a ruler..a demogogue....they infiltrate every aspect of society so that they will be remembered..leaving traces everywhere.. |
| 19:26.56 | Hanuman | mysql started alot with the geek factor and has been trying to make up for that since - that has it's pluses and minuses |
| 19:28.11 | Hanuman | of course that's how Linux started too (in some ways) |
| 19:29.08 | hans | afro-celt wins the award for sounding better with my new speakers (2.1) |
| 19:31.32 | bonez39 | tell me about afro-celt, hans>...is this celt in africa, or africans in UK? |
| 19:32.12 | Hanuman | it's celt's w/ afros |
| 19:32.56 | hans | Afro-Celt Sound System |
| 19:33.43 | hans | http://music:music@falcon.fugal.net:8888/Afro%20Celt%20Sound%20System%20-%20Vol%201%20-%20Sound%20Magic/ |
| 19:34.04 | hans | actually, ignore that. go here instead http://music:music@falcon.fugal.net:8888/afro-celt/ |
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| 19:35.52 | Hanuman | wb Jayce^ |
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| 19:42.25 | bonez39 | hans: maybe it's just me, but I get an error when I try to access that link.... |
| 19:42.32 | bonez39 | tells me to contact the administrator |
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| 19:47.32 | Mecworks | K, here's something for thoes with kids (or baby nephews and nieces) http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/kids/5ace/zoom/ |
| 19:49.34 | Hanuman | That's cute |
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| 19:55.55 | hans | bonez39: what kind of error? |
| 19:59.02 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, I want their 'powered by perl" onesie for my kid |
| 20:02.32 | HarleyPig | Is there a test card # I can use, or should I just bypass it in the code? |
| 20:02.37 | HarleyPig | damn |
| 20:02.56 | HarleyPig | IRC client should have ai that tells when you're typing in the wrong window. |
| 20:03.14 | Jayce^ | hey harleypig.. |
| 20:03.17 | Jayce^ | password: |
| 20:03.23 | HarleyPig | si |
| 20:03.24 | HarleyPig | si? |
| 20:03.46 | HarleyPig | password:? |
| 20:04.29 | Jayce^ | well, you seem to type everything in this window... so thought I'd offer another chance :) |
| 20:09.53 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 20:09.59 | HarleyPig | Smart aleck. |
| 20:10.28 | HarleyPig | I once typed in the root password to a system I was trying to connect to, but no one seemed to notice. |
| 20:11.17 | sjansen | Man, I've gotta start logging when HarleyPig is on. |
| 20:16.20 | tewkxchat | Where is logbot when you need him :) |
| 20:17.32 | Jayce^ | I had a professor at Ricks type in his password in clear once... fat-finger missed the tab at a login box... |
| 20:17.46 | Jayce^ | coudl tell who was sleeping at the time ... |
| 20:19.31 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 20:21.10 | Jayce^ | this guy had worked for years at the inel (nuke site in idaho).. would always talk about the security there... needless to say, he got a rather hard time from us |
| 20:22.19 | sjansen | Is there a nice, generic, ready to use mod_perl login package out there? |
| 20:22.19 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, any word about that february activity that you mentioned to us? confirmation? |
| 20:22.47 | Jayce^ | sjansen, well, what are you doing? I *love* Apache::AuthCookie (there is a URI one too).. |
| 20:23.08 | Jayce^ | you have to do some code/html, but just your templating really, and any extensions you want.. |
| 20:23.20 | Jayce^ | the code example works just fine though, and is sufficient.. |
| 20:23.20 | sjansen | You know, display a pretty web page. Do some type of authentication. Set REMOTE_USER for other apps. Kinda a more powerful mod_auth_* |
| 20:23.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, use that one.. I love it.. |
| 20:23.53 | Jayce^ | overrides the default auth scheme... |
| 20:26.17 | Jayce^ | http://search.cpan.org/~mschout/Apache-AuthCookie-3.04/AuthCookie.pm |
| 20:30.37 | sjansen | Thanks. Looks perfect. |
| 20:32.59 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I need to try that one out sometime - I just use my own that passes a key through the URL that identifies the cookie in a database on the server |
| 20:41.50 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, this is much better.. |
| 20:42.12 | Jayce^ | plus it uses mod_perl correctly, so you dont' have to modify any code, just set what areas it is to protect |
| 20:45.30 | sjansen | I'm not big on seperating authorization--usually isn't flexible enough, has to be replicated in app anyway. But as far as I'm concerned seperate authentication is the only civilized thing to do if you have more than one app. |
| 20:45.58 | sjansen | One of the things that bugs me about PHP: every app is an island. |
| 21:02.27 | Jayce^ | with this, you can use your mod_perl auth to lock down a java app, or non programmatic content |
| 21:06.57 | Mecworks | Jayce^: I havn't heard back from them yet. I'll follwo up on monday when I go back to work. Basicaly Novell is closed down for the holidays until monday. |
| 21:08.59 | Hanuman | It's usually the apache process stuff that I've found impresses PHP people the most |
| 21:16.10 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, heh.. how nice.. |
| 21:16.22 | Jayce^ | oh well, it'd be nice to have some confirmatino so we can start working on it |
| 21:32.52 | sjansen | Hanuman: What do you mean the "apache process stuff"? |
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| 21:43.51 | Hanuman | sjansen: the various handlers that can take over any part of the apache process using Perl |
| 21:44.42 | Hanuman | you can interrupt it with perl before apache handles it and do what you want with the request |
| 21:45.17 | HarleyPig | I'm really really really glad php doesn't support that ... at least as much as perl ... apache would get such a black eye. |
| 21:45.58 | Hanuman | Well written object-oriented perl can also be impressive |
| 21:46.08 | Hanuman | (to writers of "other" languages) |
| 21:46.14 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 21:46.42 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: me too |
| 21:48.37 | Hanuman | eww! |
| 22:04.36 | sjansen | Not actually such a bad thing. Although definetly meant most for really complicated setups. |
| 22:10.18 | Jayce^ | http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4062267 |
| 22:10.20 | Jayce^ | ewwww |
| 22:14.52 | HarleyPig | You'd think they'd realize it would kill them. |
| 22:15.24 | Jayce^ | what's pressurization? :) |
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| 22:49.23 | Jayce^ | sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. |
| 22:54.17 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. groklaw down? or is my connection here just not letting me get to it? |
| 23:00.51 | bytheway | I can't get there either |