| 00:16.42 | Mecworks | Hey, does anyone know of a band that has good sub-woofer bass that's not gangsta rap? I need to demo my sub (so I knwo that I have one 8^) and don't really own a long of bass-heavy music and not much into rap - although I do like reggae. |
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| 02:19.34 | Hanuman | any redhat gurus here? |
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| 03:31.53 | brailsmt | any procmail semi-competent people here? :) |
| 03:33.08 | brailsmt | when i get mail procmail filters everything, but i also get the mail delivered to my main account, so I get two copies of a post to UUG ML, one copy in my inbox, and one in the UUG mailbox... |
| 03:33.20 | brailsmt | i have never had this problem before... |
| 04:11.23 | Hanuman_ | cool - ssh over Darwin is awesome |
| 04:13.43 | Hanuman_ | what's the best font for terminal? |
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| 05:14.48 | brailsmt | xml -> text |
| 05:14.55 | brailsmt | now for xml -> latex |
| 05:14.59 | brailsmt | then xml -> html |
| 05:15.08 | brailsmt | then xml -> rtf (maybe) |
| 05:15.09 | Tenebram | Yay! |
| 05:17.21 | brailsmt | xslt is pretty cool, and now I can xslt on my resume :) |
| 05:17.33 | brailsmt | i can put xslt on my resume i mean |
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| 06:03.33 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 15:40.39 | synic | anyone here have any experience setting up a wireless pcmcia card? |
| 15:41.54 | hans | yup |
| 15:44.02 | brailsmt_ | i do |
| 15:44.05 | synic | well, wonder if you can help me out. I have a linksys wpc11 pcmcia card |
| 15:44.06 | hans | hmm I got a spam addressed to Gollum |
| 15:44.10 | brailsmt_ | me too |
| 15:44.12 | synic | I compiled the wlan-ng drivers for it |
| 15:44.19 | brailsmt_ | re: wifi card |
| 15:44.31 | synic | put the thing in, load prism2_cs |
| 15:44.41 | brailsmt_ | what distro? |
| 15:44.45 | synic | debian |
| 15:45.02 | synic | at this point I should have a wlan0, right? |
| 15:45.15 | brailsmt_ | it should load the prism2 driver when you insert the card... |
| 15:45.22 | synic | it doesn't... |
| 15:45.30 | brailsmt_ | are the lights on on the card? |
| 15:45.37 | synic | just the power light |
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| 15:45.57 | brailsmt_ | ifconfig -a |
| 15:46.02 | brailsmt_ | does it show wlan0? |
| 15:46.08 | synic | well, it didn't, no. |
| 15:46.14 | brailsmt_ | does it now? |
| 15:46.15 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 15:46.17 | synic | I'd have to unplug my xircom to try it |
| 15:46.35 | synic | but I should have a wlan0 then? |
| 15:47.21 | hans | brailsmt_: when you're done I want a copy of your system |
| 15:47.31 | brailsmt_ | synic: yes, i think so... |
| 15:47.32 | hans | synic: do you have the proper tools installed? |
| 15:47.46 | synic | that all depends |
| 15:48.01 | synic | I have the wlan-ng and pcmcia_cs installed |
| 15:48.06 | hans | My memory is fuzzy on how that all works. Did it once about a year ago. Debian, same chipset |
| 15:48.07 | brailsmt_ | hans: ok, you can have it iff you write the xml -> rtf stylesheet :) |
| 15:48.21 | hans | rtf? Are you smoking something? :) |
| 15:48.41 | brailsmt_ | hans: no, why not cater to the unenlightened that want .doc format... |
| 15:48.45 | hans | must be that Kansas City air |
| 15:49.09 | brailsmt_ | polution free KC air, mind you :) |
| 15:49.20 | brailsmt_ | no mountains to trap the pollution :) |
| 15:50.01 | brailsmt_ | there have been 2 daylong rain storms already, and it isn't even spring yet! :)) |
| 15:51.12 | brailsmt_ | synic: the pcmcia-cs stuff should be configured to load the prism2 driver when you insert the card... since it doesn't i suspect you have some pcmcia config issues... |
| 15:51.37 | synic | hrmm |
| 15:51.59 | synic | ok, I'll look into that. The docs didn't mention anything about it |
| 15:52.54 | brailsmt_ | look for an /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf file (that is the path on gentoo) |
| 15:53.13 | brailsmt_ | then look for your card, and make sure it is loading the right driver... |
| 15:53.24 | synic | ok |
| 15:53.42 | brailsmt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.42 | brailsmt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.43 | brailsmt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.58 | brailsmt_ | that is from my /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf |
| 15:53.58 | synic | yup, it's in there |
| 15:54.59 | brailsmt_ | you guys are missing out |
| 15:55.21 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 15:55.59 | synic | alright, brb, gonna try something |
| 15:56.10 | brailsmt_ | i ordered a plate that was 4 lbs of meat! it only cost $10, i was shocked it was so huge... |
| 15:57.38 | hans | brailsmt_: give me brazilian bbq any day |
| 15:58.11 | brailsmt_ | why settle for 2nd fiddle? |
| 15:58.14 | brailsmt_ | :) |
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| 15:59.12 | brailsmt_ | once i get a job, if any of you ever come out east on I-70 stop by and I will treat you to the best BBQ you have ever had... |
| 16:00.58 | synic | hrmm... the ./Configure script never asked me where my pcmcia_cs sources were |
| 16:05.50 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: Texas bbq outdoes both KC bbq and Brazilian BBQ |
| 16:06.01 | Hanuman | give me some Beef Brisket and I'm happy |
| 16:07.33 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: yeah, i heard that one before, pretty good joke... :D |
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| 16:10.59 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: ever had Texas Beef Brisket? |
| 16:11.28 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: ever had real KC bbq? |
| 16:11.47 | brailsmt_ | KC Masterpiece doesn't count... |
| 16:12.52 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: It's probably very similar to VA BBQ - BBQ is mainly pork over there, isn't it? |
| 16:13.04 | brailsmt_ | no |
| 16:13.30 | Hanuman | Hehe - that was an interesting spam - a "born-again Christian" trying to get my account information to pass along his inheritance (from Nigeria) |
| 16:14.07 | Hanuman | brailsmt_: nope - I ought to try it, though. I love BBQ - Texas Beef Brisket has been my favorite tried so far, though |
| 16:15.04 | brailsmt_ | all that said, i have not had real texas bbq, but i don't see how it is possible to beat KC bbq... (note: I grew up in KC, eating KC bbq, so I am alittle biased) :) |
| 16:15.41 | brailsmt_ | if you want a real treat, drive my Arrowhead stadium on a sunday before the game, the smell alone is worth the trip :) |
| 16:15.55 | Hanuman | mmmm...smell of BBQ |
| 16:16.11 | Hanuman | Actually, Texas has even better steak |
| 16:16.57 | Hanuman | if you ever travel to Houston, go to a restaurant called "Taste of Texas" - they guarantee their sirloins to be the best you've ever had or they'll give you $15,000 - they've never had to give it away so they say |
| 16:17.23 | Hanuman | all black angus steak |
| 16:17.26 | brailsmt_ | Hanuman: kind of a hard claim to prove that it isn't the best you have ever had... |
| 16:17.44 | brailsmt_ | especially when $15000 is on the line... :) |
| 16:18.03 | Hanuman | I imagine so - but it is truly the best steak I've ever had |
| 16:18.17 | Hanuman | the type that doesn't need a knife to cut |
| 16:18.32 | brailsmt_ | if ever in KC, stop by Zarda BBQ, Gates BBQ or Smokehouse BBQ... all have locations withing 5 minutes of exiting I-70... |
| 16:19.04 | Hanuman | I'll have to do that - we drive through KC when we drive out to Utah |
| 16:19.07 | brailsmt_ | and they are the #1, #2, and #3 rated BBQ places in the KC area |
| 16:19.37 | brailsmt_ | they constantly swap places amongst the top 3... |
| 16:19.56 | Hanuman | In fact I think we stopped in Independance just off I70 last time to eat at a McDonalds |
| 16:21.07 | brailsmt_ | well, I can give you directions to Zarda or Smokehouse (i prefer Zarda) if you want |
| 16:21.35 | Hanuman | I'll get that from you next time we go out that way (trust me - I like bbq so I won't forget) |
| 16:22.57 | Hanuman | OSX is so cool - I just installed X11 on it yesterday so I can run X apps |
| 16:24.29 | Hanuman | I do have to admit though that w/o Darwin or any Linux knowledge it is really hard to seriously do any detailed configurations using just the gui |
| 16:25.15 | neybar_work | I am liking OSX. I haven't used it in depth yet, but I really like it so far |
| 16:25.54 | neybar_work | man, I am getting flooded with spam lately |
| 16:26.27 | brailsmt_ | neybar_work: who isn't? |
| 16:26.45 | Hanuman | neybar_work: I really am too - I wonder if some spammer is taking advantage to some vulnerability exposed in Windows |
| 16:26.59 | Hanuman | it started just around Christmas |
| 16:27.29 | neybar_work | yeah, I would say the week or maybe two before christmas really picked up |
| 16:27.44 | Hanuman | neybar_work: I was just frustrated that I couldn't specify which IMAP folders in the Mail app I wanted to display and which ones I didn't |
| 16:27.52 | Hanuman | (in osx) |
| 16:28.10 | Hanuman | I guess I could switch to Mozilla Mail |
| 16:29.05 | Hanuman | neybar_work: that's interesting you're seeing the spam thing as well - I haven't seen any alerts on bugtraq or anything. I wonder if it's retailiation for the new spam bill or something. |
| 16:29.51 | neybar_work | probably just desperate to get sales, I would be surprised if it didn't settle down soon. |
| 16:30.13 | Hanuman | I imagine - my spam filters are catching all them anyway |
| 16:30.45 | neybar_work | it just irks me that it wastes my bandwidth with all this crap |
| 16:30.55 | Hanuman | yeah - I agree |
| 16:36.19 | Hanuman | anyone know of any Mac IRC channels? |
| 16:39.05 | Hanuman | I need to figure out how to login to a Windows PDC with a Mac client |
| 16:40.48 | Hanuman | I can find info on setting up a Mac as a Windows PDC (through Samba), but not as a PDC client |
| 16:59.06 | neybar_work | anyone here like battletech? check out megamek.sf.net |
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| 17:44.47 | bonez39 | greetings... |
| 17:47.01 | bonez39 | Hanuman: are you using mozilla mail now? |
| 17:47.31 | bonez39 | I have one server to which I can not connect..not sure where to turn off 'saving the password'....so that I can be prompted for it each time ... |
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| 17:57.13 | hans | anyone know what's up with .ko vs. .o in 2.6.0? |
| 17:58.23 | bytheway | ko == kernel object |
| 17:58.50 | tensai | In the 2.5 kernel development series, Rusty Russell rewrote the way Linux kernel modules work. In previous kernels, the majority of the module loading logic was stored in user space. With Rusty's changes, all of that logic moved into the kernel, reducing the amount of architecture-independent logic and simplifying the user interface greatly. |
| 17:59.58 | hans | mostly I'm trying to figure out how to get nvidia's modules to work in 2.6.0. it apparently builds as a .o even with the supposed 2.6.0 patch |
| 18:00.24 | hans | maybe I don't have the most recent nvidia installer |
| 18:02.34 | hans | although I've noticed discover doesn't grok the new .ko stuff either. |
| 18:02.39 | tensai | does the module load? |
| 18:02.55 | tensai | yeah, discover is completely broken in 2.6 |
| 18:05.04 | hans | doesn't load |
| 18:05.18 | hans | there is an nvidia.o |
| 18:05.20 | hans | no nvidia.ko |
| 18:08.36 | tensai | I think Jayce^ got it working |
| 18:08.48 | tensai | the readme for the patch says it should make a .ko |
| 18:08.54 | tensai | what version are you using? |
| 18:11.19 | hans | 1.0-4496 |
| 18:22.44 | tensai | that readme refereneces a .ko as well. I never got the patched module to compile cleanly so I'm not really much help. |
| 18:29.14 | jsmith | There's a newer version of the driver than 4496... if that helps |
| 18:30.51 | sjansen | How would I go about finding a debian php5 package? |
| 18:38.13 | tensai | try apt-get.org |
| 18:41.25 | sjansen | Nope. I wonder if gentoo has such a beast. |
| 18:42.01 | bonez39 | hans: greetings.. |
| 18:47.06 | sjansen | I'm not sure I'm enjoying Debian as a server either. |
| 18:48.59 | bonez39 | what makes one distro ... different from another? when the kernel is the same....is it simply how the kernel is configured? how it's tuned? |
| 18:51.05 | bonez39 | ? |
| 18:51.08 | bonez39 | am I lagged? |
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| 18:51.41 | synic | bleh, this wireless card is driving me crazy |
| 18:53.47 | sjansen | bonez39: Package format, availabilty of packages, system layout, community philosophy, etc. |
| 18:54.18 | bonez39 | thanks.... |
| 18:54.20 | bonez39 | back later |
| 18:55.33 | tensai | isn't php5 still in alpha? |
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| 19:14.55 | sjansen | beta 3 |
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| 19:35.50 | Hanuman | tensai: you administer a Windows network, don't you? |
| 19:40.27 | sjansen | Hanuman: Are you accusing him of that just because he didn't know PHP5 was beta 3? Isn't that kinda harsh? ;-) |
| 19:41.08 | neybar_work | sjansen is now known as ibot |
| 19:47.54 | Jayce^ | why is it, that no manner how many warnings you give them, salespeople you are programming for always give you new features just after the point where you can't easily add them |
| 19:48.38 | Hanuman | Jayce^: more money for you (if you're working by the hour) |
| 19:48.46 | Jayce^ | no, salary |
| 19:49.01 | Hanuman | Jayce^: sucks to be you! ;-) |
| 19:49.08 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, did I tell you? IDI dumped Comer.. :) |
| 19:49.22 | Hanuman | Jayce^: yay! Maybe I should look for a job there again. |
| 19:49.29 | Hanuman | who's there now? |
| 19:50.06 | Jayce^ | kevin is the main board member now (since they have a group of owners) |
| 19:50.15 | Hanuman | that's cool - I liked Kevin |
| 19:50.46 | Hanuman | sjansen: be careful - I'll accuse you, too ;-) |
| 19:51.00 | Hanuman | Jayce^: is Dave still there? |
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| 19:52.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, he's doing his masters.. only reason he's stayed.. |
| 19:52.23 | Hanuman | cool - well maybe he's got another reason now |
| 19:53.11 | Hanuman | Man - I don't know if it's even possible to setup a natted firewall in ISA Server (Win2k) w/o having clients installed on each of the network machines |
| 19:54.30 | Hanuman | This is driving me nuts - I'm sick of having to install this firewall on each of the clients in order for them to get internet access. And now I can't connect my iBook to the internet because the M$ Firewall client is only Windows-based |
| 19:55.41 | synic | ouch. |
| 19:56.38 | Jayce^ | put iptables in front :) |
| 19:56.49 | Hanuman | If my wife weren't morning sick I'd stay late this evening and finally setup a Linux box to take over our firewall |
| 20:10.13 | tensai | Hanuman: regrettably it is true |
| 20:16.58 | hans | *diabolical laugh* |
| 20:18.14 | hans | i wish i could enumerate them on one hand |
| 20:20.28 | Hanuman | tensai: have you used ISA server before? |
| 20:21.42 | tensai | Hanuman: thankfully no |
| 20:27.45 | Hanuman | I'm trying to figure out how to not require the M$ firewall client be installed on all the client computers, and instead just forward all requests from clients using the PDC server as the gateway forwarded directly to the internet |
| 20:28.05 | Hanuman | it theoretically is possible, but M$ doesn't make it easy |
| 20:29.49 | sjansen | Have you called them and handed over a wad of cash? |
| 20:30.44 | tensai | so your PDC is your gateway? |
| 20:32.31 | tensai | I can give you an estimate of how much time I spend wrestling with my firewall. It's a number slightly less than 1. :) |
| 20:33.19 | tensai | actually, the last round of fighting was because the power supply gave out and caused the machine to reboot every day. |
| 20:36.01 | Hanuman | tensai: yes - PDC is gateway, mail server, firewall, all-of-the-above\ |
| 20:36.23 | Hanuman | sjansen: amen |
| 20:36.46 | sjansen | Can I get a "hallelujah," brother? |
| 20:37.07 | Hanuman | "hallelujah," brother! |
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| 21:24.48 | Mecworks | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/29/199240&mode=nested&tid=187 |
| 21:25.13 | Mecworks | Stigma? what stigma? 8^0 |
| 21:40.51 | Jayce^ | yeah, Bradipo, what you doing about it :) |
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