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| 07:52.18 | HarleyJPig | Anyone got their ears on? |
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| 14:12.03 | Hanuman | Welcome back everyone! It's Monday! |
| 14:32.06 | Hanuman | cool - an e-mail ranting on both bottom-posting AND forking w/o changing the subject line - if it were PLUG or UUG this could be a fun flame (it's my Richmond LUG) |
| 14:40.06 | hans | Hanuman: maybe you can cross-post it. |
| 14:49.16 | Hanuman | hans: there we go - I'll have to be sure and do that in my reply ;-) |
| 14:49.42 | Hanuman | I have to admit - it was one of the most polite responses on the subject I have seen in a long time, though |
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| 15:51.40 | jsmith | Morning all... |
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| 16:09.17 | jsmith | brailsmt: Write a good DocBook stylesheet, would you please? |
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| 16:29.36 | Hanuman_work | Stupid home internet connection... |
| 16:30.11 | Hanuman_work | plus I want the Best Buy $100 gift certificate for doing so |
| 16:31.03 | Hanuman_work | This ibook is so cool - all the little details - little glowing things, the interface, the layout - everything is...perfect! |
| 16:31.42 | Hanuman_work | The front of it has a little glowing light when the power is on that fades in and out (kinda like Knight Rider) |
| 16:32.07 | Hanuman_work | Now I just need to turn it on so it talks to me ;-) |
| 16:32.18 | Hanuman_work | Greetings Michael... |
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| 16:34.47 | jakea | Hanuman_work: who provides your DSL? |
| 16:35.15 | jakea | (and I loved Knight Rider) |
| 16:41.51 | Hanuman_work | jakea: Verizon |
| 16:42.18 | jsmith | Hanuman_work: Sounds like a problem with Verizon... I've had the same IP for over 2 years on my DSL connection |
| 16:42.29 | Hanuman_work | For some reason whenever they change the IP it takes my router awhile to figure it out, and sometimes I just have to completely reboot it to get it working again |
| 16:43.09 | jsmith | That sucks... |
| 16:43.27 | Hanuman_work | jsmith: yeah - Verizon has some weird issues, for instance on one of their networks (I think the one I'm on) they use the same subnet as that on their local network, and therefore they cannot allow port 80 to be available to those customers |
| 16:43.37 | Hanuman_work | ~lart Utah State |
| 16:43.39 | jsmith | Hanuman_work: Oooh... now that sucks! |
| 16:43.56 | Hanuman_work | That was a good comeback, though I have to admit - BYU almost did it |
| 16:44.15 | Hanuman_work | Utah State does have a good team this year - I hadn't been paying attention until now |
| 16:44.38 | jsmith | Yeah, between Mississippi State and Utah State, I ought to have at least one team go to the big dance |
| 16:44.59 | jakea | Hanuman_work: I would consider Qwest if you can get it. It's a pain to go through the muck of setting it up (as is expected with Qwest) but once I got mine going it was great |
| 16:45.10 | Hanuman_work | jsmith: yeah - other Verizon networks get port 80, some don't. My explanation above according to DSL reports seemed to be the conclusion as to why some networks got port 80 and others didn't |
| 16:45.20 | jakea | we run web an mail servers on it and never had issues with the IP changing |
| 16:45.31 | jakea | course having Xmission as the ISP might have something to do with that |
| 16:45.59 | jsmith | Hanuman_work: You ought to be able to find some other provider besides Verizon... |
| 16:46.23 | jakea | I know people that move out of state and just keep their xmission account cause xmission rocks |
| 16:46.27 | Hanuman_work | I don't think the phone companies around here allow you to have a different ISP using their DSL service - might be state law |
| 16:46.56 | Hanuman_work | it seemed to be much more common in Utah |
| 16:47.04 | jakea | how many DSL providers are their in VA? |
| 16:47.37 | Hanuman_work | jakea: in my area, maybe 3 or 4 (Verizon, one local competitor, then Earthlink and the other nationwide ones) |
| 16:48.13 | Hanuman_work | of course, AOL is based up in Northern VA |
| 16:48.31 | Hanuman_work | Most of my parents' neighbors work there |
| 16:48.55 | jakea | see in Utah, you basically have one, so that may be why you can pick the ISP |
| 16:49.04 | jakea | others try here and fail |
| 16:49.44 | Hanuman_work | makes sense |
| 16:50.35 | Hanuman_work | I think I'm going back to Comcast - they were much better and never complained about my server (although I know it's technically not okay with them) |
| 16:50.50 | Hanuman_work | I hear they opened up port 80 again, too |
| 16:51.32 | Hanuman_work | plus I get a free Linksys modem and $100 gift certificate to Best Buy |
| 16:51.50 | jakea | it's the worst of two evils IMO |
| 16:52.19 | jsmith | Right... as long as it works, it works, right?!? |
| 16:52.41 | Hanuman_work | I've now got a new way of dealing with their support - immediately ask for second-tier |
| 16:53.00 | Hanuman_work | Even mentioning Linux with them scares their 1st tier off |
| 16:53.09 | jsmith | And they actually bump you to the 2nd-tier support? Wow... you must sound scary on the phone... |
| 16:53.15 | jsmith | Yeah, Linux might scare them... |
| 16:53.29 | Hanuman_work | "Look, I just want to know *how* to do it - you don't have to walk me through it..." |
| 16:53.58 | Hanuman_work | If they don't give, I just pretend to do what they're wanting me to do until they finally bump me up |
| 16:54.26 | Hanuman_work | It's pretty bad when you know exactly what the computer will do when they ask you to do the things they're reading off the screen |
| 16:54.57 | Hanuman_work | Just give me the settings - I'll do the rest |
| 16:55.21 | Hanuman_work | Although I think Comcast is a bit better than AT&T was - or maybe that was just my experience |
| 16:55.52 | jakea | it's because most people that call think the CD ROM is a cup holder, so they assume the worst |
| 16:56.30 | jakea | I had one brother-in-law who worked for DELL tech support, oh the stories he'd tell |
| 16:57.00 | jakea | "My screen is broken. It looks fuzzy when I take off my glasses" |
| 16:57.19 | jakea | "The CD won't stay in my CD ROM drive" |
| 16:57.27 | jakea | "Ma'am, turn your computer over" |
| 16:59.53 | Hanuman_work | I started out in Tech Support too - they used to tell us never to actually trust the person calling was telling the truth |
| 17:00.25 | Hanuman_work | So now I just don't tell them the truth just to get them to answer the questions - play their game and maybe you'll get some results |
| 17:01.22 | jakea | why would you not trust them? (Assuming you've done what you need to do to varify they are who they say they are) |
| 17:01.53 | brailsmt | jakea: how many times do you hear someone explain something that is impossible? |
| 17:02.07 | jakea | I'm in physics, all the time ;) |
| 17:02.19 | brailsmt | I just heard my dad throw fits that his computer runs slower becuase I installed putty on his windows machine... |
| 17:02.23 | jakea | try grading Physics 121 |
| 17:02.33 | jakea | lol |
| 17:03.00 | jakea | ya, that reminds me of a story my other brother-in-law told me about doing computer support for Davis School District |
| 17:03.19 | brailsmt | i then had to show him how to uninstall it, since there was no "uninstall" button in that stupid control panel install software screen... |
| 17:03.21 | Hanuman_work | brailsmt: I get that all the time from my mom - it's hilarious how they think the minute a tech guy touches their machine it will break - I get a kick out of it |
| 17:03.28 | brailsmt | all i had to do was delete one file... |
| 17:03.35 | Hanuman_work | There ought to be psychological studies on this |
| 17:03.54 | Hanuman_work | My mom still insists her computer ran faster on Windows ME than it does on Win2k |
| 17:04.13 | brailsmt | of course my dads system tray takes up the entire button bar... |
| 17:04.15 | jakea | a teacher claimed her mouse did not work. He'd come in, check it, look at everything it was fine. This happened over and over and over again |
| 17:05.03 | brailsmt | *I* am the one with the degree in CS, not him, but I obviously don't know what I am talking about when it comes to _his_ computer |
| 17:05.24 | jakea | finally, he came in one day after complaining, took the mouse, walked around with it for 10 minutes and did other things, came back, plugged it in, and said "Here, try this one" She never complained after that |
| 17:05.37 | brailsmt | his computer is "special" i guess... :) |
| 17:05.49 | brailsmt | and, yes, it really bugs me :) |
| 17:05.59 | jakea | I love parents who do that |
| 17:06.38 | jakea | if they catch you in something it's "Oh, so why can't you use the Physics Degree of yours to figure it out" |
| 17:06.50 | brailsmt | i tried explaining the whole resident memory thing, but it fell on deaf ears... |
| 17:07.35 | brailsmt | and unfortunately, a lot of people are this way... and it is a big reason MS does so good... |
| 17:08.18 | jakea | ya, education would be nice, but so many lack it |
| 17:08.24 | brailsmt | and that bugs me more than anything else... |
| 17:08.38 | brailsmt | any xslt ppl here? |
| 17:08.53 | jakea | I had to laugh when I saw the signs that said "Obey Traffic Light" at a BYU intersection |
| 17:09.17 | jakea | made me think of doing another piece for my website |
| 17:11.51 | jsmith | brailsmt: Well, not really... but I have been using DocBook to create text/html/PDF versions from the same source... and it uses xslt |
| 17:15.02 | brailsmt | jsmith: how difficult is docbook to learn? |
| 17:15.17 | jsmith | brailsmt: Simple... |
| 17:15.17 | brailsmt | i have been writing my own xslt translations to do that same thing... |
| 17:15.23 | brailsmt | and it is not simple... |
| 17:15.52 | jsmith | brailsmt: Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there's a stylesheet for a resume... The only ones I've used have been for articles and books. |
| 17:16.12 | brailsmt | i need to have my resume in several different formats... |
| 17:16.16 | brailsmt | shucks... |
| 17:16.22 | jsmith | brailsmt: I understand... |
| 17:16.30 | jsmith | You still might want to check it out... |
| 17:17.23 | jsmith | brailsmt: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-docbk.html should give you an old but simple tutorial |
| 17:21.17 | brailsmt | it had a docbook tut |
| 17:21.29 | jsmith | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/xml-matters3.html is another good one... |
| 17:24.32 | hans | i'm so very tempted to tell the select few who think they know better than I that unbreakable silence is the condition for my help |
| 17:26.49 | neybar_work | lol |
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| 17:49.10 | brailsmt | what is the url for student web pages at byu? |
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| 17:53.16 | brailsmt | anybody have a web server that I can borrow? I need to put resume up somewhere i can access it from kinko's/copymax... |
| 17:53.31 | jsmith | brailsmt: Sure... /msg me |
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| 18:38.59 | HarleyPig | Anybody got their ears on that can help me with a procmail question? |
| 18:39.14 | Tenebram | I've got ears on, but can't help with procmail. |
| 18:39.25 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 18:39.36 | Tenebram | err.... um.... |
| 18:39.42 | Hanuman_work | I've got ears on, but can be on and off - working |
| 18:39.44 | Tenebram | http://theanswertoallprocmailquestions.org/ |
| 18:40.02 | Hanuman_work | and I'm no expert on procmail, but I use it |
| 18:40.09 | Hanuman_work | hans is the expert, so I hear |
| 18:41.07 | Tenebram | Maybe you should eat his brain and thereby gain all his skill and knowledge. |
| 18:41.13 | HarleyPig | Tenebram: That url can't be found. |
| 18:41.17 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 18:41.22 | Tenebram | Oh, it's hiding. |
| 18:41.34 | Tenebram | You need to use a browser with at least +3 to see invisible. |
| 18:41.41 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 18:43.36 | HarleyPig | Now here's one that really works: http://twas.brillig.and.the.slithy.toves.did.gyre.and.gimble.in.the.wabe.all.mimsy.were.the.borogoves.and.the.mome.raths.outgrabe.jabberwocky.com/ |
| 18:45.05 | Hanuman_work | wow - that's a real site |
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| 18:45.12 | HarleyPig | Yep. |
| 18:45.56 | HarleyPig | Then there's this one: http://www.Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch.com |
| 18:57.08 | Hanuman_work | ooh - that one is cool |
| 18:57.19 | Hanuman_work | how the heck do you remember that one? |
| 18:57.54 | HarleyPig | I don't ... I had to look it up. |
| 18:58.02 | Hanuman_work | it would be fun to try to see if it would work |
| 18:59.21 | Tenebram | tip-raj wireless? |
| 19:00.04 | neybar_work | HarleyPig: did you figure out your procmail question? |
| 19:00.25 | HarleyPig | Nope. |
| 19:00.58 | neybar_work | what is the question, I'll take a stab at it. free of charge even |
| 19:01.07 | Hanuman_work | Tenebram: I can imagine maybe to make up for the loss working out a contract with the owner/manager of whatever place you do it at which says if you don't make up a designated amount per month he pays you the difference, but if you make over that amount, you split the profit |
| 19:01.43 | Tenebram | oh... 'kay |
| 19:01.48 | Hanuman_work | I would do that with one store as an experiment and if it ends up being all profit, do just the tip jar approach for all future places that volunteer |
| 19:02.26 | HarleyPig | :] Thanks. My family has a mailing list where they mostly send images. I've got a program that rips the mime attachments off and saves them to a directory (I'm tired of showing my wife how to save an attachment). |
| 19:02.43 | HarleyPig | This works fine, but it's not treating the mail as if it were delivered. |
| 19:03.29 | Hanuman_work | HarleyPig: what's your recipe? |
| 19:04.32 | HarleyPig | :0 |
| 19:04.32 | HarleyPig | * ^From_Daemon YoungFamily@yahoogroups.com |
| 19:04.32 | HarleyPig | { |
| 19:04.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.35 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.37 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.39 | HarleyPig | } |
| 19:05.13 | HarleyPig | I've tried adding a lockfile to the last one but it doesn't make a difference (I didn't think it would but tried anyway). |
| 19:06.05 | HarleyPig | The log states that ripmime had an error but I can't figure out what it is and the attachments are being saved just fine anyway. |
| 19:06.21 | HarleyPig | So, I'm getting a copy of the email in my inbox and youngfamily mboxes. |
| 19:07.45 | neybar_work | do you want the copy of the email that has the mime ripped out delivered? |
| 19:07.57 | HarleyPig | No. |
| 19:08.25 | neybar_work | try sending it to /dev/null or something after processing |
| 19:09.39 | HarleyPig | Well, there's nothing returned ... the text portion of the mail is saved in textfile_?? in the target directory, which I delete every hour anyway. I'll try it ... but I'm not sure how that'd change things. |
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| 19:12.43 | jp78 | HarleyPig, it appears ripmime is exiting with a non-zero exit status, causing procmail to think it failed |
| 19:12.53 | neybar_work | something has to be returned if it is ending up in your inbox. Maybe since it is returning the error a copy is still there |
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| 19:13.43 | jp78 | maybe you can capture stderr somehow? (I don't use procmail so I can't help you there) or wrap ripmime in some other script so you can capture it's stdin, stdout, stderr, args, and exit status |
| 19:14.45 | HarleyPig | Well, I tried the | command with 2>&1 and got the same messages I get when running it from the command line. |
| 19:14.56 | HarleyPig | Namely: Creating <filename> |
| 19:16.32 | Hanuman_work | HarleyPig: you could always pipe it to perl from your aliases file and use Mime::Lite to do it (like I said, I'm not a procmail expert) |
| 19:17.38 | jp78 | HarleyPig, create a script that captures input/output/errout and call it from your recipe instead |
| 19:17.48 | jp78 | something like this: |
| 19:17.58 | jp78 | #! /bin/sh |
| 19:18.11 | jp78 | echo args "$@" > /tmp/args.$$ |
| 19:18.15 | HarleyPig | jp78: 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout, and the results of that are sent to the logfile. |
| 19:18.55 | jp78 | tee /tmp/input.$$ | /path/to/ripmime "$@" >/tmp/output.$$ 2>/tmp/errout.$$ |
| 19:19.03 | jp78 | eval=$? |
| 19:19.08 | jp78 | cat /tmp/output.$$ |
| 19:19.12 | jp78 | exit $eval |
| 19:19.44 | jp78 | (maybe add echo eval $eval > /tmp/eval.$$, too) |
| 19:20.06 | hans | woohoo, adobe has released an svg plugin for mozilla finally |
| 19:20.30 | HarleyPig | I can do that ... but the problem is, it's running fine. It's procmail that's seeing an error where none exists. |
| 19:20.52 | jp78 | procmail is probably seeing an error because ripmime is exiting with non-zero status |
| 19:21.15 | jp78 | you want to know what that exit value is so you can look for it in the ripmime source (or docs... gasp!) |
| 19:21.49 | neybar_work | the simple fix would be to put in :0 /dev/null after your mimerip call |
| 19:21.55 | HarleyPig | Oh! ripmime exits with 1 on success. That makes sense. So, just wrap it in a shell script and exit(0) if $? == 1; |
| 19:22.11 | jp78 | neybar_work: yes, that would work, except when ripmime really does have an error |
| 19:22.20 | neybar_work | true |
| 19:22.25 | jp78 | why would ripmime exit with 1 on success? |
| 19:22.46 | HarleyPig | I dunno ... it's an obscure c program I found which does what I want. |
| 19:22.48 | neybar_work | yeah... can you change the exit status? |
| 19:22.56 | HarleyPig | Probably. I have the source. |
| 19:23.21 | hans | HarleyPig: that would be the RightThing to do |
| 19:24.38 | HarleyPig | Ouch ... it's got 16 exit(1)'s. |
| 19:24.47 | jp78 | is it P Daniel's ripmime package? |
| 19:25.02 | HarleyPig | Yeah. |
| 19:27.02 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... ok ... maybe I was wrong ... all of the exit's are error conditions. Does c implicitly exit(0) on success? |
| 19:27.44 | jp78 | it "should" :-) |
| 19:28.29 | jp78 | looks like it returns 0 from main |
| 19:28.43 | jp78 | change that to exit(0) and you might be okay |
| 19:28.43 | hans | then perhaps you're getting an error |
| 19:28.58 | jp78 | or, yes, you could be getting an error |
| 19:28.59 | hans | jp78: return 0 should do the same thing, when returning from main |
| 19:29.06 | hans | obviously it's exiting the program somewhere else |
| 19:29.10 | jp78 | hans, yes, it should |
| 19:30.08 | jp78 | but it appears to print something to stderr whenever it exits with a non-zero status |
| 19:32.51 | HarleyPig | Well, it's just printing the files its creating. |
| 19:34.02 | HarleyPig | And besides, I'm not using the f option, so anything that's being returned is being ignored. |
| 19:34.11 | jp78 | I do see some places where it exits after calling LOGGER_log (as opposed to printing directly to stderr) |
| 19:34.26 | jp78 | what's your logger method set to? |
| 19:34.56 | HarleyPig | LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log |
| 19:34.57 | HarleyPig | VERBOSE=yes |
| 19:37.40 | jp78 | maybe try adding the --stdout or --stderr options to your call |
| 19:38.11 | jp78 | hmmm, looks like stdout should be teh default |
| 19:38.48 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I saw that and just double checked my logs ... I was getting the output before I added the 2>&1, so that's not really helping any anyway. |
| 19:38.51 | jp78 | s/teh/the/ |
| 19:39.43 | jp78 | you could edit the code to make each exit come back with a different number (rather than all of them being exit 1), then capture the exit value |
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| 19:41.38 | Hanuman_work | My internet connection's back up! |
| 19:41.45 | Hanuman_work | stupid Verizon... |
| 19:41.58 | Hanuman_work | I went out and signed up for Comcast at my lunch break |
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| 19:42.46 | Hanuman_work | !a good internet connection for home |
| 19:43.00 | Hanuman_work | \usr\bin\perl: good to see you again |
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| 19:43.21 | Hanuman_work | Now just to wait for my ip address to update w/ zoneedit |
| 19:46.19 | HarleyPig | Ok ... did the following: |
| 19:46.21 | HarleyPig | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:46.21 | HarleyPig | ripmime -i -d /home/suzanne/youngfamily_pics -v --prefix |
| 19:46.21 | HarleyPig | echo $? >> /home/harleypig/ripmime_exitcode |
| 19:46.44 | HarleyPig | so far the ripmime_exitcode file has 3 0's in it and no 1's. |
| 19:47.25 | jp78 | and are you still getting the mails in both the subfolder and your inbox? |
| 19:47.35 | HarleyPig | Yep. |
| 19:47.43 | jp78 | weird |
| 19:48.01 | HarleyPig | And the pictures and text are being saved to the destination folder. |
| 19:48.30 | HarleyPig | (Which is good because I already told Suzanne about it and she really hates when things don't work right everytime.) |
| 19:48.31 | HarleyPig | :) |
| 19:50.23 | Hanuman_work | Man - I have gotten more spam since Christmas than I have the entire month before it |
| 19:50.51 | Hanuman_work | My spam filter is catching it all, but these guys are really getting desperate |
| 19:50.54 | jp78 | do you need to say ripmime -i - ...? (run ripmime -h for the usage message) |
| 19:51.15 | HarleyPig | I am ... but it didn't paste for some reason. |
| 19:51.34 | jp78 | try adding -q, maybe? |
| 19:52.23 | HarleyPig | As opposed to a -v? I'll try that. |
| 19:52.55 | jp78 | maybe procmail is getting upset at all the output (like I said, I don't use procmail... I use mailagent) |
| 19:55.37 | Hanuman_work | Wow - Redhat's almost at $20/share |
| 20:02.15 | neybar_work | does anyone know of a good auto body shop? slc or utah county |
| 20:09.49 | Hanuman_work | There's a guy in my old ward (he's hispanic) that owns a shop I used to go to down in South Provo |
| 20:09.54 | Hanuman_work | can't remember the name |
| 20:10.19 | Hanuman_work | It's at the corner of State Street and whatever the street name is that has Novell on it is |
| 20:10.43 | Hanuman_work | It looks like a shack, but I wouldn't get scared - they did a decent job on my Ford Escort |
| 20:11.08 | Hanuman_work | If it's Japanese, go to Japanese Auto in Orem |
| 20:11.17 | Hanuman_work | they do the best work on Japanese cars |
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| 20:34.35 | jp78 | HarleyPig, any luck? |
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| 20:54.20 | HarleyPig | Well, sort of. |
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| 20:57.32 | HarleyPig | It started working as expected ... but I didn't change anything. |
| 20:58.21 | HarleyPig | Well, that's not true. I retyped the line ... but I swear, there are no differences. |
| 21:05.13 | jp78 | weird |
| 21:05.39 | jp78 | space vs. tab somewhere, maybe |
| 21:18.49 | Hanuman | any Forced-to-use-windows users in here right now? |
| 21:18.55 | Tenebram | me |
| 21:19.10 | Tenebram | although all I use it for is logging into my dorm linux box |
| 21:20.05 | Hanuman | ever used Windows 2000 SBS? |
| 21:20.14 | Hanuman | (SBS stands for Small Business Server) |
| 21:22.11 | Tenebram | I haven't, although I think I have a copy of it |
| 21:23.30 | Hanuman | I'm trying to get DHCP setup on our network using our Win2k SBS machine and man is it giving me trouble! |
| 21:23.48 | Hanuman | you'd think with a nice gui DHCP would be easier to setup |
| 21:23.53 | Tenebram | Gah, that's trouble... |
| 21:24.39 | Hanuman | It seems there are 2 places that can do dhcp - Routing and Remote Access (for NAT), and the DHCP service itself |
| 21:24.47 | Hanuman | neither of them seem to work |
| 21:25.06 | Hanuman | and what do you know, Microsoft's own instructions from their website don't work |
| 21:25.23 | Hanuman | I am so tempted at the moment to just give the company one of my routers from home and be done with it |
| 21:30.39 | Hanuman | hmmm...wonder if I need to logout and back in to get it to assign my IP |
| 21:30.57 | Tenebram | that's a possibility |
| 21:31.00 | Tenebram | or reboot? |
| 21:31.08 | Tenebram | I've heard that solves all sorts of problems in windows |
| 21:31.55 | tensai | Hanuman: I use SBS's DHCP server. What are you trying to do and what's it not doing right? |
| 21:54.44 | hans | any snail mail knowitalls here? I need something to arrive on or before jan 5, when is the latest I can send it? |
| 21:56.25 | tensai | letter or package? |
| 21:56.51 | hans | letter |
| 21:57.09 | jsmith | hans: Priority mail will get there in three days, so you can probably send it Friday and still be OK... |
| 21:57.39 | jsmith | If you need it *absolutely* for sure by the 5th, I'd send it Express Mail and you wouldn't have to send it 'til Saturday |
| 21:57.48 | jsmith | But it'll cost you more |
| 21:57.51 | tensai | first class is 3-7 days. I got a Christmas card from my parents in North Carolina in 4 days |
| 21:58.59 | hans | it needs to abosolutely be there, but I don't need to wait until saturday to send it. I can probably get it in the mail wed or thurs (but that's a holiday so it's the same as friday) |
| 21:59.24 | hans | but I'd hate to get it in the mail tomorrow or wed and it not show up in time. :( From provo to Pittsburgh |
| 22:00.13 | hans | usps.com says est. delivery time for priority is 3 days, and so is est. delivery time with first-class |
| 22:00.30 | hans | but one is $3 more. :) is that the best they can do? |
| 22:00.54 | tensai | if you could off the same service for $3 more, wouldn't you? |
| 22:03.21 | hans | from what I see express is the only option with any sort of guarantee, but it's $15 |
| 22:05.41 | jp78 | priority is pretty good, and for an extra 40 cents or so you can add delivery notification (so you can verify that it did in fact get delivered) |
| 22:05.55 | jp78 | I use it all the time for my mortgage payments |
| 22:13.39 | jsmith | I'd go with Priority personally... |
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| 22:43.12 | jakea | http://www.xmission.com/~mp/tmp/birdinblueroom.jpg |
| 22:43.25 | jakea | <mp> nobody panic. we got the bird out of the server room! |
| 22:43.25 | jakea | <schwa> tell me you're serious |
| 22:43.25 | jakea | <schwa> so I can laugh |
| 22:43.25 | jakea | <grant> heh |
| 22:43.25 | jakea | <grant> it was a sparrow, I think |
| 22:43.26 | jakea | <grant> we managed to chase it out and it is fine |
| 22:43.36 | jakea | never a dull moment at xmission |
| 22:44.35 | jsmith | Holy cow... |
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| 22:45.07 | Tenebram | no, server bird, not holy cow. |
| 22:46.04 | jsmith | I'm saying "holy cow" because someone actually got a picture of the thing... :-) |
| 22:46.17 | Tenebram | Oh, .jpg |
| 22:46.36 | Tenebram | Hehe, Yay! |
| 22:49.44 | hans | anyone know when byu grades are posted? |
| 22:50.23 | Tenebram | I have no idea |
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| 23:04.16 | tensai | Hanuman_: did you get your DHCP problem fixed? |
| 23:04.54 | neybar | hans: late enough to make you sweat during the holidays... |
| 23:05.38 | jsmith | Hanuman_: Have you asked Verizon how much a static IP address would cost? |
| 23:05.55 | hans | well I know I'm getting an A, but my other class is pulling my gpa down by .01 until it comes through |
| 23:06.31 | hans | when I send the transcript I'd like it to say 3.80, not 3.79 |
| 23:07.34 | neybar | well $4.00 is a whole lot more then $3.99 |
| 23:11.05 | tensai | hans: just drop a significant digit and call it 3.8. Only a scientist would notice a difference between 3.8 and 3.80. |
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| 23:23.53 | neybar | anyone here good with constructing SQL queries? I have four stat tables that are very similar in structure. I am currently using four queries to pull out the info I want, and I am trying to figure out a way to get the data I want in one query. I have constructed a query that works, but in order to deal with possible null values I have to use full outer joins. The new query is slower the my four separate ones. |
| 23:27.18 | tensai | neybar: can you use a union rather than a join? |
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