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| 01:13.58 | Newsome | anyone here know how to get mplayer to do a -dumpstream as fast as possible? I think it's grabbing the file at normal speed, and I'm impatient. |
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| 05:14.10 | Newsome | anyone know a good way to convert a RealMedia file to mp3 or ogg? |
| 05:19.05 | Newsome | anyone even awake? :) |
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| 05:22.39 | brailsmt | for you gentoo folks, how do I specify that an init script provides a needed service? ie, I want net.wlan0 to provide the net service for scripts that have the "need net" line in 'depend()'... |
| 05:23.45 | Newsome | brailsmt, I'm not sure anyone is alive in the channel |
| 05:36.51 | brailsmt | hello? |
| 05:40.34 | Bradipo | I'm here. |
| 05:40.38 | Bradipo | Not alive though. :-) |
| 05:41.12 | Bradipo | How about run your audio output into another audio input, record as wave and then encode as OGG? |
| 05:41.42 | Bradipo | It sure would be nice if xmms could play realaudio. |
| 05:43.08 | Newsome | yeah, it would be nice. |
| 05:43.16 | Newsome | I may try that. |
| 05:43.43 | Newsome | I think mplayer can do it, I'm just having a problem getting it to read the realaudio |
| 05:44.03 | emcnabb | McBride better get jail time for fraud |
| 05:45.02 | emcnabb | true |
| 05:56.18 | Bradipo | I would be interested in why you think there is any fraud? |
| 05:56.27 | Bradipo | For my own interests mind you... |
| 05:56.39 | Bradipo | But if you don't feel like talking about it, I completely understand. |
| 05:56.58 | Bradipo | I certainly wouldn't feel bad about bashing Bill Gates if MS employees were in here. :-) |
| 06:05.28 | brailsmt | or that other files that implement the c standard also infringe... |
| 06:06.11 | Bradipo | I am a little confused myself over some of these issues, but I'm not an IP lawyer so I stay out of the speculation and wait for the courts to decide. |
| 06:06.35 | torriem | Unfortunately Mr. McBride doesn't seem to share your sentiment about waiting for the courts to decide. |
| 06:06.50 | torriem | Anyway |
| 06:07.31 | Bradipo | Well, maybe they feel they have the upper hand. |
| 06:07.37 | brailsmt | anyone bothered to run a diff between the enitre 2.2.0 source code and the entire 2.4 source code... |
| 06:07.41 | torriem | The fraud issue has more to do with pumping and dumping stock than the actual issues before the court (which really still are contract issues, not ip or copyright) |
| 06:08.12 | brailsmt | tat seems to be the limit that SCO itself has put on the issue... |
| 06:08.30 | brailsmt | i bet there aren't a million lines difference between 2.2.0 and 2.4.0 |
| 06:08.40 | torriem | Also, in a high-profile case, to allow the executives to make claims such as McBride and others have made is frowned upon, particularly by the lawyers. I'm surprised Boise lets any SCO employees make any public statements at all. |
| 06:08.44 | Bradipo | Hehe, you might be surprised. |
| 06:08.49 | Bradipo | The kernel has become very large. |
| 06:08.55 | Bradipo | Well, the kernel source. |
| 06:09.50 | torriem | I think that all I ask is for SCO to stop making claims (and then using these claims to threaten other companies) until the court has fully decided the issue. The fact that we keep getting a weekly SCO claim indicates to me that they never want to see this case actually get to court. |
| 06:09.51 | Bradipo | I can remember when the entire kernel source tarball was 6--7MB |
| 06:10.07 | brailsmt | and then there is the issu of back porting... are any alledgedly infringing features/code back ported to 2.2.0? thereby making 2.2.x infringe also? |
| 06:10.14 | Bradipo | torriem: Makes sense. |
| 06:10.17 | torriem | I am looking forward to the upcoming discovery deadline. |
| 06:10.29 | Bradipo | Me too. :-) |
| 06:10.48 | Bradipo | I know just as much about the case as any of you. |
| 06:11.03 | brailsmt | this whole thing is a huge can of worms... |
| 06:11.46 | Bradipo | I wonder what our legal system will make of it all. |
| 06:11.51 | torriem | But I'm glad that we're dealing with this can of worms now. Let's get the court to make a definitive precedence so that companies can't do this kind of stuff in the future. |
| 06:12.05 | torriem | (That's why I don't believe SCO is in a hurry to get this resolved in the court) |
| 06:12.16 | Newsome | like it'll matter. This was already decided back with USL v BSDi |
| 06:12.25 | torriem | Testing the validity of the GPL, for example, is the best thing that could happen, though. |
| 06:12.36 | Newsome | SCO doesn't have the Copyrights for the code in question. |
| 06:12.51 | Newsome | the stuff they claim as infringing is trivial or not copyrightable |
| 06:13.01 | torriem | Well, the stuff they have shown so far is. |
| 06:13.17 | Newsome | Even if it was infringing, it wouldn't be up to the users to pay for |
| 06:13.33 | Newsome | they've shown their best stuff |
| 06:13.34 | torriem | Even if SCO had a copyright on header files like the kernel files, it cannot translate to a demand of licensing. |
| 06:13.42 | torriem | So I've heard. |
| 06:13.52 | torriem | When is the deadline for the discovery motion? |
| 06:14.10 | Newsome | I've been in other discussions with PJ, Harlan, and Vince Negri. That's their best stuff. |
| 06:14.18 | Newsome | the 12th, I think. |
| 06:14.36 | Bradipo | Yeah, there were 30 days from the time of the hearing. |
| 06:14.49 | Newsome | 30 days from the signing of the order. |
| 06:15.07 | torriem | It shall be interesting. The court order SCO to comply in a manner that is acceptable to IBM, right? IE no reams of printed source code? |
| 06:15.24 | Newsome | it was signed the 12th, and 30 days takes it to the 11th, a Sunday. |
| 06:15.35 | torriem | Time is running out. |
| 06:15.35 | Newsome | right. with specificity. |
| 06:16.13 | Newsome | you don't go to court and be compelled, unless there's a reason you don't show anything. |
| 06:16.23 | torriem | I must admit, being best friends with a lawyer and following this case has really got me interested in some types of law. |
| 06:16.47 | torriem | (or rather having been best friends -- she's marrying in march) |
| 06:17.31 | Newsome | marrying you or some other guy? :) |
| 06:17.38 | torriem | Not me. |
| 06:17.42 | Newsome | girls... |
| 06:17.50 | torriem | Uh huh |
| 06:19.02 | torriem | So has the DoS stuff subsided (as in ceased) or are you just adapting to repell it easier, Bradipo |
| 06:21.49 | torriem | night all |
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| 06:27.46 | Bradipo | Hmmm. |
| 06:27.50 | Bradipo | Well, since he left... |
| 06:28.09 | Bradipo | DoS has subsided as far as we know (for any others curious in the answer). |
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| 06:28.41 | Bradipo | I will be seriously irked if they start it up again during my Christmas holiday. |
| 06:30.09 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 06:30.11 | Bradipo | Not really. |
| 06:30.18 | Bradipo | torriem asked if it was still ongoing. |
| 06:30.25 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 06:30.31 | Bradipo | No discussion really. |
| 06:30.50 | Bradipo | It's gone for now, but I'll be p**t if it comes back during my holiday. |
| 06:31.27 | emcnabb | Jayce^, did you see what I just posted to the PLUG? |
| 06:37.47 | zzzirk | holy COW |
| 06:38.41 | emcnabb | zzzirk, you read it? |
| 06:40.20 | zzzirk | yeah |
| 06:40.39 | zzzirk | I've run into people who think like that too |
| 06:40.59 | zzzirk | actually, it's more like they don't think and that's their problem... someone else is doing the thinking for them |
| 06:41.02 | zzzirk | sheep |
| 06:41.23 | Bradipo | Funny how the IT industry is full of those kinds of people. |
| 06:41.30 | Bradipo | Surprisingly enough they continue to keep their jobs. |
| 06:41.46 | Bradipo | Amazing how far an MCSE can take you... |
| 06:43.03 | Newsome | I got most of the way to MCSE, but it never really helped me much. 'Course I work for BYU, which isn't exactly the highest-paying in the industrly. |
| 06:43.48 | emcnabb | Bradipo, this was more than just a MSCE guy though, he has regular meetings with the top officials at MS |
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| 07:02.40 | wolfepak | I just read it....... MS has brainwashed the dude |
| 07:02.56 | zzzirk | personal disciple of billg |
| 07:05.00 | Bradipo | emcnabb: Reading your post... |
| 07:05.04 | Bradipo | Very interesting. |
| 07:05.32 | Bradipo | Newsome: be glad you have a job in these times. :-) |
| 07:09.47 | Bradipo | - If you do find a bug, you can fix it yourself without the source. All |
| 07:09.48 | Bradipo | you need is a hex editor, and it shouldn't take a good programmer much |
| 07:09.48 | Bradipo | more time than if he did have the source. (he seriously said this) |
| 07:09.59 | Bradipo | Man, these guys are brilliant. |
| 07:10.05 | Bradipo | It's no wonder they have such high paying jobs. |
| 07:10.14 | Newsome | I wish I were smarter, or I could do that. |
| 07:14.29 | emcnabb | he really was a smart guy, he was just so brain washed; there is no way another operating system, or database, or app X could be better that MS's |
| 07:14.32 | emcnabb | it was really sad |
| 07:15.01 | emcnabb | and I couldn't convince him otherwise |
| 07:15.08 | emcnabb | i've never had that happen :-) |
| 07:15.56 | Bradipo | So he's smart, just has tunnel vision. |
| 07:15.58 | emcnabb | we got done talking, and I thought: "This guy can't believe anything I say, even if it might have some truth" |
| 07:16.06 | emcnabb | Bradipo, exactly |
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| 07:49.05 | Mecworks | Can CA Save Linux from the Great Satan SCO? http://www.linuxworld.com/story/38235.htm |
| 07:49.17 | Mecworks | interesting. |
| 07:53.24 | brailsmt | CA as in California, or CA as in Computer Associates? |
| 07:53.47 | brailsmt | or CA as in Critically Annoying? :) |
| 07:54.55 | brailsmt | or CA as in Crappy Acronym :) |
| 08:06.49 | Mecworks | Computer Associates |
| 08:07.32 | Mecworks | The statement above is actualy the title of the article. I should have quoted it. |
| 08:09.15 | brailsmt | does linux need saving? SCO seems to be doing a great job of discrediting itself... |
| 08:27.25 | Mecworks | McBride: "And C++ programming languages, we own those, have licensed them out multiple times, obviously. We have a lot of royalties coming to us from C++. It was interesting to see the depth of Caldera's intellectual capital." |
| 08:27.36 | Mecworks | http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2877578,00.html |
| 08:27.45 | Mecworks | Now that's insane. |
| 08:30.22 | brailsmt | McBride is just that, insane... |
| 08:30.49 | brailsmt | so, exactly who is SCO not going to sue? |
| 08:31.05 | brailsmt | i mean they are claiming they own C++?!? |
| 08:31.14 | brailsmt | and how much is written with C++? |
| 08:33.24 | brailsmt | so he hints that he can sue, his alma mater, his church, MS, and anybody else he so chooses... |
| 08:33.46 | brailsmt | these are not decisions a sane man would make... |
| 08:34.05 | brailsmt | nor threats a reasonable person would make... |
| 08:34.28 | Mecworks | weird. definitely. That article was written in august. I'm supprized the C++ comment didn't make a bigger splash. |
| 08:35.39 | brailsmt | i was thinking the same thing... |
| 08:37.09 | Mecworks | well, nighty night. SCO owns the pattents on sleeping so I must deposit $0.25 before I can pull back the covers. l8r |
| 08:37.09 | brailsmt | and does inclusion of copyrighted material give SCO the ability to license the software? at what point (in terms of significance of inclusion of copyrighted works) does the infringed gain control over the code? |
| 08:37.55 | brailsmt | surely a single line of illegally contributed code out of the millions of lines that are linux, would not give SCO the right to license the entire product... |
| 08:38.08 | brailsmt | and what point does that change? |
| 08:38.27 | brailsmt | i mean there is a lot of iffy crap here... |
| 08:39.16 | Mecworks | I would beleive that a copyright holder cannot hold an unwilling infringer hostage, and extort a fee based on copyright code the user does not want to use and has the ability to remove if the offending code is shown. |
| 08:39.39 | brailsmt | Mecworks: you put that quite well... |
| 08:39.40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:39.45 | Mecworks | thx |
| 08:40.50 | brailsmt | i mean the whole backporting can of worms is a major problem SCO must face since they made the blanket claims that pre 2.4.0 kernels are not effected... |
| 08:42.00 | brailsmt | so if any feature in 2.4.x was backported to 2.2.x then by SCOs own admission it is not in violation, and therefore has been released under the GPL and SCO knows it and has claimed it is not in violation... |
| 08:42.16 | brailsmt | so it therefore cannot be in violation in 2.4.x |
| 08:42.31 | brailsmt | perhaps this is the reason he is going after the GPL |
| 08:43.33 | brailsmt | and does this pre 2.4.x kernels non-violation statement apply to 2.3.x? |
| 08:43.49 | brailsmt | te can of worms gets slimier and slimier |
| 08:44.23 | brailsmt | as does Sr. McBride |
| 08:44.41 | brailsmt | Darl "Big Mouth" McBride :) |
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| 08:46.52 | Mecworks | This just in...McBride in court...we join SCO's arguments, already in progress: ...Therefore I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. You bested my Spaniard, so you must be very strong... |
| 08:48.33 | brailsmt | Tune in next week for this stunningly assertion by Mr. McBride: "The US constitution is unconstitutional because it has allowed the GPL to exist" |
| 08:50.50 | Mecworks | McBride continues..."Never go up against a SCOcillian when death (, copyrights and logic) are on the line..." |
| 08:52.41 | brailsmt | SCO owns UNIX -> UNIX was written by Man and so Man is a derivative work -> God created Man -> SCO owns God... |
| 08:55.57 | Mecworks | I thought you were McBride there for a sec...Whew. You had completely fooled me. |
| 08:56.53 | brailsmt | :D |
| 09:01.16 | brailsmt | well, its been fun... cya l8r... |
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| 09:02.10 | brailsmt | just kidding :) |
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| 20:51.26 | jakea | TimRiker: I take it everything works now for ODP? |
| 20:51.29 | jakea | <--- knine |
| 21:02.22 | TimRiker | ODP? |
| 21:02.40 | TimRiker | ah.. |
| 21:04.03 | HarleyPig | I'm getting my wife a digital camera for christmas -- wal-mart has a fairly good cheap one for around $100. I can't find any info on how to transfer the images to my system. Anyone got any pointers? I'm using a strictly linux box. |
| 21:04.29 | jsmith | Uh... use gphoto2 to do the transfers, if you camera supports it. |
| 21:04.30 | TimRiker | jakea: yeah. though I'm not in Utah anymore, but I still keep up on LUG issues there |
| 21:04.42 | jsmith | Otherwise, get a good digital card reader that's supported |
| 21:04.48 | neybar | anyone have any experience with using vpn throught a cisco 515 pix router from a linux client? |
| 21:05.22 | jsmith | neybar: Nope... but I did try it once with the VPN card on my Cisco 1700... it worked OK at the time... |
| 21:05.40 | HarleyPig | jsmith: Hmmm ... I hadn't run into any of this? Where would I get a card reader? and how do I tell if I can use gphoto2 with it? |
| 21:05.51 | RyanE | what kind of cards does it use? |
| 21:05.57 | RyanE | CompactFlash? |
| 21:06.02 | RyanE | Secure Digital? |
| 21:06.02 | HarleyPig | Not sure. I'll look it up. |
| 21:06.26 | jsmith | HarleyPig: I think it's 'gphoto2 --list-cameras' or something like that... hold on... |
| 21:08.10 | HarleyPig | It's one of the Kodak EashShare series. |
| 21:08.33 | jsmith | Hmmmn, probably Compact Flash then... but you'd better check to make sure |
| 21:09.32 | HarleyPig | I just thought of something else. Am I going to need to buy a 'dock' as well? |
| 21:09.46 | RyanE | at least one of these EasyShare cameras use MMC/SD |
| 21:10.05 | RyanE | so you'd better check. If you just read the photos off the external memory card, you only need a card reader. |
| 21:10.10 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Depends... do you want to transfer the pictures via USB (i.e. the dock) or just pull out the compact flash card? |
| 21:10.45 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... they are all MMC/SD compatible. Oh ... MultiMediaCard/Secure Digital. Makes sense. |
| 21:11.14 | HarleyPig | jsmith: Whichever will be easiest for my wife, who is a technophobe. |
| 21:11.27 | RyanE | in Linux? |
| 21:12.15 | HarleyPig | Yeah. :/ |
| 21:12.29 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Hmmmnn... probably just get the dock (make sure the camera is supported by gphoto2!) and then make her a button that runs gphoto2 and copies the pictures to her desktop |
| 21:12.56 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Then all she has to do is put the camera on the doc, push a button, and it's done... |
| 21:13.03 | HarleyPig | It says it supports USB, but it doesn't say whether that means via the dock or not. |
| 21:13.09 | RyanE | I haven't used the gphoto before. The card reader method, you just plug in the card, double-click on your card icon on the desktop, and it opens konqueror showing all pictures. |
| 21:13.22 | RyanE | (or single-click if setup, obviously...) :) |
| 21:13.26 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 21:13.36 | HarleyPig | Where can I get a card reader? |
| 21:13.39 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Do you know the exact model? |
| 21:13.59 | jsmith | HarleyPig: CompUSA, Walmart... but again, make sure it's supported under Linux |
| 21:14.18 | HarleyPig | Kodak 2 MP EasyShare CX4200 |
| 21:14.33 | RyanE | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=SD%2FMMC+card+reader&btnG=Search+Froogle |
| 21:14.51 | RyanE | but like jsmith says, check if supported under Linux, or that merchant has good return policy. |
| 21:15.02 | HarleyPig | Oh! They're cheap. I was thinking "How am I going to budget another $100" |
| 21:15.07 | jsmith | [jsmith@banff jsmith]$ gphoto2 --list-cameras | grep 4200 |
| 21:15.07 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.17 | jsmith | Yup... looks like it's supported... |
| 21:15.17 | HarleyPig | Sounds like it. |
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| 21:23.38 | HarleyPig | Umm ... that brings an interesting mental image. |
| 21:28.03 | jakea | ugggg |
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| 21:33.59 | Jayce^ | wow.. TimRiker visiting for the holidays |
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| 21:37.17 | TimRiker | ~+chaninfo |
| 21:37.17 | | i am on 38 channels: #asterisk (181), #berlin (1), #botpark (5), #brits (2), #bzflag (38), #debian-bots (13), #debian-france (19), #debianplanet (1), #debianppc (53), #elinux (25), #familiar (13), #fightthepower (1), #gct (2), #gllug (21), #gpe (23), #handhelds.org (82), #intimate (9), #ipaq (11), #kde (78), #kiss (2), #linuxinfo (1), #magnia (6), #openembedded (51), #openzaurus (60), #opie (45), #palmchat (2), #pet (12), #picogui (9), #project24 (9), #slug (25), #storm (2), #tacobeam (21), #teleconf (1), #tomcat (29), #uclibc (14), #utah (31), #zaurus (68) |
| 21:37.17 | | i've cached 966 users, 1 unique user, distributed over 38 channels. |
| 21:37.35 | TimRiker | yikes. ;-) |
| 21:38.15 | Mecworks | So, TimRiker, are you visiting here over the holidays or just on IRC? |
| 21:40.07 | jakea | hmmm, kde irc channel.... |
| 21:41.01 | Mecworks | ~+chaninf |
| 21:41.08 | Mecworks | ~+chaninfo |
| 21:41.08 | | i am on 38 channels: #asterisk (180), #berlin (1), #botpark (5), #brits (2), #bzflag (38), #debian-bots (13), #debian-france (19), #debianplanet (1), #debianppc (54), #elinux (25), #familiar (13), #fightthepower (1), #gct (2), #gllug (21), #gpe (23), #handhelds.org (82), #intimate (9), #ipaq (11), #kde (79), #kiss (2), #linuxinfo (1), #magnia (6), #openembedded (51), #openzaurus (60), #opie (45), #palmchat (2), #pet (12), #picogui (9), #project24 (9), #slug (25), #storm (2), #tacobeam (21), #teleconf (1), #tomcat (28), #uclibc (14), #utah (31), #zaurus (68) |
| 21:41.08 | | i've cached 966 users, 1 unique user, distributed over 38 channels. |
| 21:42.00 | *** join/#utah RedHat (~redhatalp@c-24-10-194-77.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:42.34 | Mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.36 | TimRiker | ibot/jbot is now apt as well. those are channels apt hangs in. |
| 21:46.03 | Mecworks | ic |