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| 17:23.10 | *** topic/#utah is http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
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| 17:23.23 | jsmith | hans: Hmmmn... strange... OK, whatever works. |
| 17:24.10 | hans | alas, nothing works. ;-) |
| 17:25.05 | jsmith | Go buy yourself a Canon CanoScan USB scanner... you'll never look back! |
| 17:25.37 | jsmith | They're light-weight, get their power from the USB port, have *great* resolution, and are fairly fast |
| 17:25.44 | hans | and how much? |
| 17:25.53 | jsmith | Less than $100 |
| 17:26.02 | jsmith | (depending on which model you get) |
| 17:26.04 | hans | heh, this one is so old umax doesn't even provide drivers for w2k |
| 17:26.10 | hans | so scanning in windows is out too |
| 17:26.13 | jsmith | Exactly... |
| 17:26.38 | jsmith | I had an old Microtek... finally tossed it and bought this Canon... |
| 17:26.40 | hans | but it was free, and that's the right price. annoying thing is it worked before. :( |
| 17:27.06 | jsmith | Yup... I know. SCSI is tempermental... especially when you mix SCSI and TWAIN... :-) |
| 17:32.38 | hans | i'm going to try with my old video card and taking out my extra pci cards... |
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| 18:16.09 | hans | I think the scanner itself must have bitten the dust. I reverted to my old hardware and kernels and still it won't work. in either case it will scan a preview just fine, but when I go to scan the real thing it just stops and doesn't respond. |
| 18:16.33 | hans | maybe I jolted it once too often. :) |
| 18:27.47 | Hanuman | levi: you in here? |
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| 18:38.58 | byron | can anyone recommend a good public usenet server (I only need comp.lang.* groups)? |
| 18:40.08 | hans | byron: news.cs.byu.edu ? |
| 18:41.02 | byron | hans: that just points to byu's news server.... I didn't know they carried groups other than classes, please tell me I'm wrong |
| 18:43.42 | hans | byron: you're wrong. they don't even carry classes |
| 18:44.04 | byron | hans: thanks! |
| 18:44.06 | hans | but I've found you don't get all the articles. we're somehow disjoint from the rest of the internet. but you get most. |
| 18:46.00 | jakea | that's not a news flash |
| 18:46.13 | jakea | that's like saying: News Flash! Water is Wet! |
| 18:49.18 | jakea | so was jakea |
| 18:50.01 | jsmith | I just had to get in my daily jab at BYU :-) |
| 18:50.36 | jakea | course, BYU's internet allows my friend in Arizona to print directly a printer in the ESC, so it can't be all bad. ;) |
| 18:50.46 | jakea | +to |
| 18:50.57 | Hanuman | speaking of jabs, think they'll beat Utah State this week? |
| 18:51.21 | Hanuman | s/away/back way out of the way as the jabs begin/ |
| 18:53.45 | jsmith | Utah State by 5... |
| 18:55.15 | Hanuman | oh - come on byu fans - give him a jab back! |
| 18:57.37 | byron | araujo by 15 |
| 18:58.02 | byron | well, I guess we better let the rest of the team play, BYU by 20 |
| 18:58.09 | Hanuman | lol |
| 18:58.29 | jsmith | Oh come on... they only beat Weber St. by 20... |
| 18:58.40 | Hanuman | And USC by how much? |
| 18:58.45 | jsmith | You're saying Utah State isn't any better than Weber St.? |
| 18:59.47 | byron | Hanuman: did you ever find out what time the new polls come out? |
| 19:00.12 | jsmith | I'm still sticking by my prediction of Utah State by 5 |
| 19:00.32 | Hanuman | byron: I didn't - they're out by Tuesday, though |
| 19:02.01 | Hanuman | I think if they beat Utah state they're in the top 25 for sure, though |
| 19:02.06 | Hanuman | s/if/when/ |
| 19:07.27 | Hanuman | Anyone know if Jayce is off for the holidays? |
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| 19:26.29 | jsmith | Hanuman: Yes, if they beat Utah State, they probably ought to be in the top 25... I'll give you that! |
| 19:27.33 | Hanuman | at least we agree... |
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| 19:27.47 | Hanuman | Jayce^! |
| 19:27.58 | Hanuman | Hey - what WAP do you use? |
| 19:28.03 | jsmith | Hanuman: Then cheer for Mississippi state! |
| 19:28.13 | Jayce^ | got a netgear |
| 19:28.21 | Hanuman | jsmith: actually, I'd cheer for UofHouston if it were worth it |
| 19:28.22 | Jayce^ | just had an earthquake here in CA |
| 19:28.28 | Hanuman | Jayce^: how big? |
| 19:28.30 | jsmith | Oh really... |
| 19:28.44 | Hanuman | Those are getting addictive here in #utah |
| 19:28.51 | Hanuman | s/addictive/contagious/ |
| 19:28.52 | Jayce^ | no idea yet |
| 19:28.57 | Hanuman | did it feel big? |
| 19:28.59 | Jayce^ | the pool here was spilling out |
| 19:29.04 | Jayce^ | no, decent.. |
| 19:29.13 | Jayce^ | but I'd suspect it was pretty far away |
| 19:29.16 | Hanuman | structural damage? |
| 19:29.21 | Jayce^ | longer waves |
| 19:29.34 | jsmith | Between 5 and 6 according to usgs |
| 19:29.41 | jsmith | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US2/35.37.-122.-120.html |
| 19:29.44 | Hanuman | ah - not bad - beat us |
| 19:30.14 | Hanuman | Jayce^: do you like your netgear, or should I get the Linksys WRT54G? |
| 19:30.22 | Jayce^ | a bit north, like I said |
| 19:30.26 | Hanuman | (not to change the subject - keep talking...) |
| 19:30.52 | Hanuman | Jayce^: and where are you currently in CA? |
| 19:31.24 | jsmith | Oooh... pretty map! http://earthquake.usgs.gov/shakemap/nc/shake/40148755/intensity.html |
| 19:32.40 | Jayce^ | they are probably both pretty similar.. |
| 19:32.44 | Jayce^ | get the best deal :) |
| 19:34.26 | Hanuman | WRT54G is hackable and Linux-based, though |
| 19:34.35 | Hanuman | that's what's attracting me |
| 19:34.43 | Hanuman | Is it even worth looking into Apple's WAP? |
| 19:34.56 | jsmith-away | Hanuman: Just buy a Linksys... |
| 19:34.58 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, nah, too expensive.. |
| 19:34.58 | Hanuman | (/me just ordered his ibook last night) |
| 19:35.05 | Jayce^ | it's pretty, but that's all it's got.. |
| 19:35.16 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, what model |
| 19:35.23 | Hanuman | WRT54G |
| 19:35.32 | Jayce^ | ibook model, dangit |
| 19:35.42 | Hanuman | ah - G4 12" 800MHz |
| 19:36.02 | Jayce^ | g3 12" 500 mhz... cd only, no wireless card.. |
| 19:36.08 | Jayce^ | on loan :) |
| 19:36.28 | Hanuman | that's still not too bad - needs the wireless card, though |
| 19:36.50 | Hanuman | Mine's got the combo drive |
| 19:37.09 | Hanuman | I'm doing the 6 mos same as cash thing + educational discount |
| 19:37.14 | Jayce^ | combo, or super? (do ibooks get the super?) |
| 19:37.17 | Hanuman | combo |
| 19:37.20 | Jayce^ | kelly's has the combo |
| 19:37.24 | Hanuman | ibook 12" doesn't come in super |
| 19:37.30 | Hanuman | unfortunately |
| 19:37.52 | Hanuman | 14-15" comes in super I think |
| 19:38.00 | Hanuman | (is ther a 14"?) |
| 19:38.05 | Hanuman | s/ther/there/ |
| 19:38.29 | Hanuman | maybe not, though |
| 19:38.59 | Hanuman | Have you had any problems w/ the Macs on your network connecting to your Netgear? |
| 19:39.07 | Jayce^ | none |
| 19:39.58 | Jayce^ | I just have mine running as an ap + switch, router stuff turned off at home.. |
| 19:40.15 | Hanuman | I've had good experience w/ my current Netgear wired router |
| 19:41.09 | Hanuman | The only thing that makes me want the Linksys is the curiosity of whether I can configure it to run Dan's Guardian and SQUID for firewall/proxy |
| 19:41.09 | Jayce^ | hanuman, comes with panther right? |
| 19:41.15 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I believe |
| 19:41.28 | Hanuman | I would imagine so - need to check that, though |
| 19:41.29 | Jayce^ | good, just put panther on here... very nice |
| 19:41.37 | Jayce^ | gotta put it on kelly's now |
| 19:41.40 | Hanuman | Is it a free upgrade? |
| 19:41.45 | Jayce^ | no |
| 19:41.53 | Hanuman | ok - need to double-check that |
| 19:42.02 | Hanuman | I would think it would come with it if I bought it new yesterday |
| 19:43.28 | neybar | how do I look at the structure of a rpm? I just installed a package, but I can't figure out where it went to... |
| 19:44.06 | jsmith-away | rpm -ql <package> |
| 19:44.44 | neybar | jsmith-away, thanks |
| 19:45.01 | jsmith-away | neybar: No problem... |
| 19:45.28 | Hanuman | Good - comes w/ Panther - just verified |
| 19:46.20 | Jayce^ | cool, expose is quite nice |
| 19:48.12 | Hanuman | what is expose? (I definitely need to learn more about Macs) |
| 19:48.20 | Hanuman | That's why I bought this mainly |
| 19:53.26 | tensai | neybar: ah. I found it. Hen Plus. http://henplus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:53.48 | tensai | I also found a promising gui too: http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:55.24 | Hanuman | Jayce^: got any recommendations for cheap memory for the ibook? |
| 20:01.44 | neybar | MSSQL is a pain in the rear... |
| 20:03.10 | Hanuman | neybar: amen to that |
| 20:03.30 | Hanuman | are you just trying to connect through code, or use a client to do SQL queries? |
| 20:03.52 | neybar | through code... in particular DBD::Sybase |
| 20:04.24 | Hanuman | I hear DBD::Sybase is the way to go, but I hear it has its limitations |
| 20:04.38 | neybar | I finally got freetbs and DBD::Sybase installed, so hopefully this will work |
| 20:04.43 | Hanuman | I have a hard enough time just using DBD::ODBC on Win32 platforms to connect to it |
| 20:04.48 | neybar | err freetds |
| 20:04.59 | Hanuman | I couldn't get freetds to work when I tried |
| 20:05.13 | Hanuman | I was hoping for a Linux client to create tables, alter them, etc |
| 20:05.26 | Hanuman | I probably gave up too soon, though |
| 20:05.58 | neybar | arg. dbd::sybase doesn' support ? place holders |
| 20:06.15 | Hanuman | I don't know if all drivers are like this, but I have to open multiple connections in order to run multiple queries to the same db in DBD::ODBC |
| 20:07.05 | Hanuman | neybar: I hate that - DBD::ADO I think has the same problem |
| 20:07.11 | Hanuman | unless they've fixed it |
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| 20:33.28 | neybar | is limit a standard SQL keyword? ex select * from foo limit 5; |
| 20:35.03 | neybar | Hanuman: freetds+DBD::Sybase seems to work pretty good. There are a few gotchas, but then we are dealing with MSSQL |
| 20:37.37 | Jayce^ | mmm, gvim on a mac |
| 20:42.37 | Hanuman | neybar: I don't think limit is - I've only seen it work on MySQL - what other dbs does it work with? |
| 20:43.03 | Hanuman | neybar: cool - need to make sure I try it next time I need to |
| 20:43.25 | Hanuman | neybar: do you want to know the equivalent for MSSQL? |
| 20:44.07 | Hanuman | it's "SELECT TOP 5 FROM tablename" |
| 20:44.25 | Hanuman | top (whatever) is the number of rows you want to return |
| 20:51.18 | Hanuman | Jayce^: made national news... |
| 20:51.24 | Hanuman | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20031222/ts_nm/quake_california_dc |
| 20:57.48 | tensai | limit works in postgres too. I think for Oracle there's a goofy subselect you use. |
| 21:00.50 | Hanuman | yeah - Oracle and SQLServer are different, that's why I don't think it's a standard |
| 21:01.14 | Hanuman | maybe it is, though and Oracle and M$ don't follow it, though |
| 21:01.23 | Hanuman | s/, though$// |
| 21:02.02 | neybar | Hanuman: limit works with postgres too, obviously that doesn't make it a standard keyword though. |
| 21:07.17 | hans | hey just don't bring them earthquakes back to utah, see? |
| 21:07.20 | Jayce^ | hehe.. but postgres doesn't do *anything* non-standard though :p |
| 21:08.21 | Jayce^ | for them, it's all standards or nothing right :) |
| 21:13.36 | Hanuman | hans: oh - they never happen in Utah, they just happen to those people that leave Utah |
| 21:14.25 | Hanuman | Only tornadoes happen in Utah |
| 21:14.35 | Jayce^ | and locust attacks |
| 21:14.56 | Hanuman | byron: don't worry - they will... ;-) |
| 21:18.00 | Hanuman | http://www.gloeckner-nbg.de/spiel/weihnachtsmann.htm |
| 21:19.50 | jakea | any UUG-ers tried to add $$$ to their student card via the new RY system? |
| 21:20.27 | jakea | I'm tryin to decide if it's RY or they have once again designed something with only IE in mind |
| 21:20.48 | neybar | well those RY coders are mostly boneheads... :-) |
| 21:22.49 | jakea | in which case can I give you a bug report... |
| 21:23.32 | Jayce^ | neybar, dang, sjansen isnt' in the room |
| 21:26.13 | Hanuman | how do you get your ry password if you forgot it? I don't see any links from ry.byu.edu - my wife was looking for that the other day |
| 21:26.29 | jakea | oh I get it, I need to allow popups for byu.edu |
| 21:26.52 | jakea | umm... email the UUG presidency ;) |
| 21:27.20 | Hanuman | can emcnabb help on that? |
| 21:28.04 | Hanuman | I've got a few recommendations - I wonder if they'd hate me if I e-mailed all of them ;-) |
| 21:28.21 | jakea | Hanuman: That was a joke BTW |
| 21:28.38 | Hanuman | jakea: ok - I get it now ;-) |
| 21:28.40 | jakea | when I was in the presidency, we had issues with that and it drove us nuts |
| 21:28.51 | Hanuman | ahh... |
| 21:29.06 | Hanuman | Maybe I'll e-mail emcnabb my recommendations anyway |
| 21:29.17 | Hanuman | They need to fix their error pages |
| 21:29.29 | Hanuman | when I put an invalid login, all I get is a page that says "false" |
| 21:29.48 | Hanuman | what language has the extension ".fcc"? |
| 21:29.53 | jakea | when one searched the BYU site for forgotten passwards, the UUG help page for reseting passwords for the UUG site was the top listing, so obviously it must be us that handles ALL of RY |
| 21:30.12 | Hanuman | lol |
| 21:30.31 | jakea | if you email evan, be sure to tell him my suggestion |
| 21:30.38 | byron | Hanuman: you're lucky that you even get to the login page. It doesn't work very often for me |
| 21:30.52 | Hanuman | I do "find net login" and I get: |
| 21:30.53 | Hanuman | 0 0.9999 en_us 1 272008302207532160000000.0000 en 2 -0.0003 th |
| 21:30.57 | jakea | byron remembers all the SSN we got, don't you? |
| 21:31.00 | Hanuman | in a popup window |
| 21:31.11 | jakea | oh, that's a mozilla / Netscape thing |
| 21:31.20 | Hanuman | must be - that's dumb |
| 21:31.30 | jakea | that's been doing that for years and they have not bothered to fix it |
| 21:31.47 | jakea | I think it works in Konq if you have that |
| 21:31.49 | Hanuman | Maybe I should start sending an automated e-mail once a day asking them to fix it |
| 21:32.06 | Hanuman | jakea: I'll just forge my headers - should fix it I'm guessing |
| 21:32.08 | jakea | make sure you change the return address every day |
| 21:32.19 | byron | Hanuman: If you have multiple languages set up in mozilla you need to delete all but one to get it to work |
| 21:32.25 | Hanuman | jakea: that should be easy using sendmail |
| 21:32.52 | jakea | great, make mozilla less usefull to make it more usefull... |
| 21:33.05 | Hanuman | byron: ahhh...that's dumb - so us thai speakers are discriminated against then - I se how it is |
| 21:34.02 | jakea | yeesh |
| 21:34.04 | Hanuman | I'm really nicer than this - I'm just being weird right now |
| 21:34.15 | Jayce^ | whatever |
| 21:34.19 | jakea | thanks for that tip byron |
| 21:34.41 | Hanuman | #utah is where I go to act weird to maintain my sanity |
| 21:35.02 | jakea | I have serveral IRC channels for that |
| 21:35.34 | Hanuman | jakea: any recommendations on a good one? That way you guys don't have to take my weirdness |
| 21:35.41 | Hanuman | I can be normal again in here |
| 21:36.52 | jakea | when IRC chat is on, I am logged into the xmission IRC lounge, but I many talk in there once a month when I come by something I need xmission help on |
| 21:37.15 | jakea | the other one is for the Open Directory Project for which I am a contributor |
| 21:37.25 | Hanuman | maybe I could go to #perl - Larry Wall is a bit weird sometimes |
| 21:37.30 | jakea | http://dmoz.org/ |
| 21:37.57 | Hanuman | jakea: Charles Parkinson Fry is a contributor for that as well - maintains the LDS genealogy section |
| 21:38.06 | jakea | you have to be an editor to join or on of the mean ops will kick you out |
| 21:38.16 | Hanuman | or maybe the entire LDS section - can't remember |
| 21:38.16 | jakea | <--- an ops that will kick you out |
| 21:38.38 | jakea | I mostly edit in Games/Video_Games |
| 21:38.43 | Hanuman | cool |
| 21:38.54 | Hanuman | Does yahoo operate off of that now? |
| 21:39.06 | jakea | not sure, I'd have to look |
| 21:39.08 | jakea | google does |
| 21:39.19 | Hanuman | yeah - I knew google does |
| 21:39.35 | jakea | another utah LUG guy is also an editor: timriker |
| 21:40.03 | Hanuman | yeah - I know him too (sorta) |
| 21:40.25 | Hanuman | Mr. BzFlag man himself... |
| 21:40.33 | Hanuman | owner of ibot |
| 21:41.06 | Hanuman | he did the presentation at PLUG about the embedded linux systems awhile back |
| 21:41.18 | jakea | somewhere there is a list off all the sites that use it... looking.... |
| 21:42.00 | jakea | http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Directories/Open_Directory_Project/Sites_Using_ODP_Data/ |
| 21:42.30 | jakea | hmmm, don't see yahoo |
| 21:42.35 | jakea | I wonder who maintains that... |
| 21:43.29 | jakea | I don't think I've actually ever met another editor in person other than my brother-in-law who got me started on the project |
| 21:44.41 | jakea | there, that'd be me --> http://dmoz.org/profiles/knine.html |
| 21:47.57 | Hanuman | cool! |
| 21:48.45 | Hanuman | I love your web-user license agreement on your homepage |
| 21:49.07 | byron | my favorite part is the investigation of byu computers |
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| 22:05.18 | hans | jakea: I have "A Final Unity" |
| 22:05.22 | bonez39 | has the investigation turned up anything? |
| 22:05.48 | hans | I was just wondering to myself if it's even playable now. DOS doesn't recognize my IDE controller. ;( |
| 22:18.06 | jakea | hans: I have "A Final Unity" as well. Elite Force is cool too, I play that online with a friend of mine in Arizona |
| 22:19.27 | jakea | Hmmmm, I've been meaning up update my WULA, I need to add SCO-related things |
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| 23:36.46 | neybar | anyone know of a way to set quota limits per directory instead of by user? |
| 23:45.28 | hans | neybar: make a cron job to delete random files until they go under quota |
| 23:45.56 | HarleyPig | For extra points, make it delete newest files first. |
| 23:46.18 | hans | HarleyPig: it should cycle between newest, oldest, and biggest |
| 23:46.54 | HarleyPig | To bad there isn't a way to tell if it's been backed up or not. |