| 00:00.57 | tensai | I think you could start a second daemon on the box and achieve the same effect Bradipo described |
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| 01:00.23 | Hanuman | my last comment on PLUG ought to start a few flames... hehehe |
| 01:00.34 | Tenebram | what was it? |
| 01:00.48 | Hanuman | I said I liked Oracle |
| 01:01.00 | Hanuman | over Postgres and Mysql |
| 01:01.08 | Hanuman | if one can afford it |
| 01:01.23 | sjansen | Nothing wrong with that. |
| 01:01.23 | Hanuman | (which one can for personal and educational use) |
| 01:01.35 | sjansen | I hate proprietary software, but I can't bring myself to hate Oracle yet. |
| 01:02.04 | Hanuman | sjansen: I agree - I don't get this "don't use it because it's not open-source" when it is extremely friendly with open-source environments |
| 01:02.24 | Hanuman | some closed software that works on Linux is crap, but Oracle simply isn't that |
| 01:02.37 | Hanuman | besides that I've been brainwashed in my OCP training |
| 01:03.01 | sjansen | Yeah, it was my short stint administering Oracle that did me it. |
| 01:03.12 | sjansen | Impressive what it can do. A giant beast of a system. |
| 01:03.30 | sjansen | But for most people, over kill. If PG is good enough, might as well switch. |
| 01:04.52 | Hanuman | sjansen: definitely - I agree. But if the PHB's are making the budget decisions and want to push for it, I say go for it |
| 01:05.24 | Hanuman | If you're making the budget then you can look at your pros/cons of paying for the db |
| 01:05.50 | Hanuman | sjansen: I'm a Mysql fan myself, but that's just because I haven't used PG much |
| 01:06.59 | sjansen | I don't understand how an Oracle user can use MySQL. Especially MySQL of a few years ago. |
| 01:07.29 | Hanuman | Good transactional support - Oracle, Fast transactions - Mysql |
| 01:07.38 | Hanuman | I would use a combination of the 2 if I could |
| 01:07.54 | Hanuman | About, inc does that |
| 01:08.21 | Hanuman | MySQL makes an excellent front-end db |
| 01:08.52 | sjansen | Well, I'm off to take a final. |
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| 02:32.10 | fozzmoo | MySQL does transactions now? |
| 02:32.13 | fozzmoo | Out of the box? |
| 02:32.32 | fozzmoo | Or do you still have to apply hack after kludgy hacky to get it to support transactions? |
| 02:32.42 | fozzmoo | And is it only on certain table types? |
| 02:32.59 | fozzmoo | If so, I'll stick with PostgreSQL. It's fast, reliable, and solid. |
| 02:33.16 | sjansen | Only certain table types. |
| 02:35.42 | jakea | <---- fast, reliable, and solid |
| 02:54.30 | byron | anyone running fedora core 1? |
| 02:56.25 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, yeah, has had 2 different table handlers that do it for about 2 years now |
| 02:56.37 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, kludgy hack?? in what way? |
| 02:57.41 | Hanuman | fozzmoo: Mysql is much faster than Postgres - I wouldn't trust it to be a firm storage for data, but for quick transaction, or just queries, it makes a great front-end db |
| 02:59.18 | Hanuman | Jayce^: if I'm using Mail::Sendmail and want the From to include both a name and e-mail address, shouldn't I just have to include "My Name <mail@email.com>" in the 'from' part of the hash passed into sendmail()? |
| 03:02.29 | Bradipo | Hanuman: It depends on what you are doing with postgresql vs mysql. |
| 03:02.48 | Bradipo | In some cases PG is faster. |
| 03:02.48 | Hanuman | what in postgres would be faster? |
| 03:03.09 | Bradipo | We imported a 78 million record table into both RDBMS. |
| 03:03.21 | Bradipo | mysql was faster at reading in the data. |
| 03:03.41 | Bradipo | But postgresql was faster at creating an index on the data. |
| 03:04.45 | Bradipo | Once the index was created, postgres performed just as fast on queries as the queries in mysql. |
| 03:05.43 | Hanuman | that's probably true - with an index, postgres could probably perform just as well (The only experience w/ postgres I've had is mainly reading about it) |
| 03:05.57 | Bradipo | I have been building a spam database at work. |
| 03:06.31 | Hanuman | I ought to have you send me some of those e-mails (the spammers) so I can test out my mailing program on them |
| 03:06.53 | Bradipo | Well, it's not that kind of a database actually. |
| 03:06.57 | Bradipo | Ever hear of whitelisting? |
| 03:07.06 | Hanuman | ah - okay |
| 03:07.13 | Bradipo | The database has 3389368 records now. |
| 03:07.23 | Hanuman | so it's not a blacklist db |
| 03:07.46 | Bradipo | No. |
| 03:07.49 | Bradipo | It's a whitelist database. |
| 03:08.16 | Bradipo | It uses a unique tuple of <relay_ip,mail_from,rcpt_to> |
| 03:08.44 | Bradipo | The first time a tuple is seen it records the information in the database and puts an expiration timestamp on the data. |
| 03:09.17 | Bradipo | The message is then rejected with a 4xx error message indicating to the remote server to defer delivery and try again later. |
| 03:09.39 | Bradipo | Each successive attempt to deliver the message will result un a deferral until the expiration timestamp has passed. |
| 03:10.21 | Bradipo | Once a message successfully passes it receives a longer expiration and each message matching that tuple thereafter continues to update the timestamp. |
| 03:10.44 | Bradipo | This prevents one time mailings from spammers using lame software and not real mail servers. |
| 03:10.49 | Bradipo | Because they usually don't retry delivery. |
| 03:11.28 | Bradipo | Did I lose you? |
| 03:11.39 | Hanuman | no - makes sense |
| 03:12.03 | Bradipo | The only drawback is the initial delay in the first time a message is sent. |
| 03:12.09 | Hanuman | a little more complex than just the e-mail whitelisting |
| 03:12.22 | Hanuman | and smarter |
| 03:12.25 | Bradipo | Well, email whitelisting is good, but it isn't as user friendly as greylisting. |
| 03:12.44 | Bradipo | greylisting happens transparently and unknown to the sender. |
| 03:12.52 | Bradipo | Taking advantage of the SMTP protocol. |
| 03:12.57 | Bradipo | It isn't foolproof obviously. |
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| 03:13.10 | Bradipo | Time to eat, be back in a bit. |
| 03:14.10 | Hanuman | very interesting |
| 03:14.24 | Hanuman | I wonder why spamassassin hasn't implemented any of that yet |
| 03:15.18 | Mecworks | It works great but if it became mainstream, it would be _easy_ to bypass. |
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| 03:41.09 | Bradipo | It wouldn't be that easy. |
| 03:41.37 | Bradipo | If you use it in conjunction with black lists and allow users to flag stuff they they don't want it could be very effective. |
| 03:41.46 | RedHat | Anyone installed kernel-2.6.0 yet? |
| 03:42.01 | Bradipo | The delay would provide enough time for blacklisters to put them on lists. |
| 03:42.17 | Bradipo | And by the time the retry happens they might actually fail due to being blacklisted. |
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| 03:42.59 | Bradipo | Another cool method would be to have a bayesian SMTP server. |
| 03:43.19 | Bradipo | i.e. it uses bayesian classification to reject mail. |
| 03:45.19 | Bradipo | That would require a bit of development, but would be very accurate in my opinion. |
| 03:46.09 | Hanuman | Weird - Mail::Sendmail is removing bits of html from the html I send in the 'body' header |
| 03:48.25 | Bradipo | Good. :-) |
| 03:48.52 | Hanuman | it's a multipart e-mail so if you don't accept html text will show up |
| 03:49.09 | Bradipo | Ahh, very good. |
| 03:49.28 | Bradipo | Maybe instead of doubling the size of the message you should include a multipart message with a URL as it's only content. :-) |
| 03:49.53 | Hanuman | I'd love to do that, but it's for a client |
| 03:50.12 | Bradipo | I know, I'm just joking. |
| 03:50.24 | Hanuman | and do you know how many spam filters would block that? |
| 03:50.43 | Bradipo | As many as would block a multipart HTML message I imagine. |
| 03:51.01 | Bradipo | But maybe less. |
| 03:51.13 | Bradipo | Since you wouldn't have any HTML tags in there that would be classified as spam indicators. |
| 03:52.06 | Hanuman | My bayesian classifier would block the single link more than the html |
| 03:52.22 | Bradipo | How so? |
| 03:52.38 | Bradipo | If the URL is the first time it has been encountered then it isn't likely going to have any weight. |
| 03:53.10 | Bradipo | Certainly the second time the message is sent, if the URL is the same, it will be more quickly classified. |
| 03:53.27 | Hanuman | I guess you're right |
| 03:53.42 | Bradipo | Spammers are crafty fellers. |
| 03:54.01 | Bradipo | I love how they try to thwart classification by injecting a bunch of random english words. |
| 03:54.18 | Bradipo | Normally they have no effect because the words they pick are not normally used in your daily conversation. |
| 03:56.04 | Hanuman | Man - I said I'd have this finished tonight- I don't think I'm going to get much sleep if that's the case |
| 03:56.21 | Hanuman | I keep running into more probs |
| 03:58.29 | Bradipo | What are you working on? |
| 03:58.46 | Hanuman | an opt-in e-mail (mainly newsletters) engine |
| 03:58.54 | Hanuman | (speaking of spam) |
| 03:59.11 | Hanuman | everything's legit, though |
| 03:59.24 | Hanuman | being sent out to members of an organization |
| 03:59.34 | Hanuman | need to track click-throughs, views, etc |
| 03:59.55 | Hanuman | Mail::Sendmail keeps re-encoding my html |
| 04:02.38 | Bradipo | So it's in perl I imagine? |
| 04:02.42 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 04:06.39 | Hanuman | for some reason it's converting the first quote in every html tag, replacing it with "e;, and then removing the &q |
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| 04:47.41 | jakea | hmm |
| 04:47.43 | jakea | if I were to burn mp3's to a CD as data, does the mp3 player know what to do with that? |
| 04:48.02 | jakea | meaning... burning mp3's doesn't have to be an audio project |
| 04:54.38 | jakea | nm, figured it out |
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| 05:05.27 | Hanuman | anyone know how to send a sender's name with their e-mail address using MIME::Lite? |
| 05:08.33 | neybar | what do you mean? like "james <james@somewhere.com>" |
| 05:08.42 | Hanuman | neybar: yes |
| 05:08.47 | neybar | just feed it that line |
| 05:08.50 | Hanuman | I send it like that and it doesn't work |
| 05:19.04 | Hanuman | nm - it worked - I was looking in the wrong place |
| 05:21.12 | neybar | good, I guess I can stop reading MIME::Lite source now... |
| 05:21.28 | Hanuman | lol - I was doing the same thing... |
| 05:21.51 | Hanuman | anyone ever found a good perl module to parse out the filename from image tags in html? |
| 05:22.08 | Hanuman | I want to find the filenames in image tags and replace them w/ new filenames |
| 05:23.50 | neybar | everything including the http://somepath/somefile.ext or just the somefile.ext part? |
| 05:24.08 | Hanuman | found one - HTML::TokeParser |
| 05:24.26 | Hanuman | Mainly the somefile.ext part, but I can parse it out of the entire string |
| 05:24.30 | fozzmoo | I guess HTML::Parser would help you do that. |
| 05:24.54 | fozzmoo | But it's a pain to learn how to use. |
| 05:25.10 | fozzmoo | Great module to cut your teeth on, though. |
| 05:25.13 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 05:25.13 | Hanuman | TokeParser makes it a little easier it looks like |
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| 05:39.04 | Hanuman | what's the best way to look for anything but a / in a regex |
| 05:39.20 | Hanuman | it's 12:30 am my time - I'm too tired to look it up myself |
| 05:42.28 | Jayce^ | [^\/] |
| 05:42.44 | Hanuman | the [] negates it, correct? |
| 05:43.01 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 05:43.05 | Jayce^ | [] is a character class |
| 05:43.12 | Jayce^ | ^ == not (in a class) |
| 05:43.37 | Hanuman | ah - okay - never had to use that for punctuation before |
| 06:02.58 | tensai | Hanuman: so what does Oracle do that Postgres doesn't? |
| 06:03.38 | Jayce^ | cluster |
| 06:03.41 | Hanuman | Oracle extends way beyond the database - for instance, you could use it as its own application server |
| 06:04.26 | tensai | ok. there's application servers for postgres though |
| 06:04.29 | Jayce^ | well, oracle corp has written an app server that integrates with their db :) |
| 06:04.56 | Hanuman | yeah, but it's still oracle |
| 06:05.16 | tensai | you use Oracle, right? how much does it cost? |
| 06:05.45 | Hanuman | My company can't afford it - I'm just studying for my OCP - it's free for personal and educational use I believe |
| 06:06.02 | tensai | ah. I thought you mentioned you use it at some point |
| 06:06.28 | Hanuman | I used it at OGF, but briefly |
| 06:07.02 | Hanuman | My school does all it's db classes in Oracle |
| 06:07.11 | Hanuman | using Oracle University |
| 06:07.16 | tensai | I tried to price it once. It's impossibly difficult. IIRC it's 10k+ to start |
| 06:07.42 | Hanuman | I think it depends on your user-base - how many users will be connecting |
| 06:08.08 | tensai | plus there's some mumbo jumbo about required service contracts |
| 06:08.42 | tensai | for my needs there's just one user: JBoss. ~10 people will use it. |
| 06:08.58 | tensai | via Jboss |
| 06:09.41 | Hanuman | I'm not an Oracle fanatic, but I just know from what I've used with it there are some pretty cool things that can be done with it - if you can afford it I say go for it. If it makes more sense to save the money, don't |
| 06:09.46 | tensai | Jayce^: can Oracle do master-master clustering? |
| 06:10.23 | Jayce^ | I believe so.. |
| 06:10.23 | Hanuman | tensai: besides that I'm in that too-tired to think mode to give you a decent answer that makes any sense |
| 06:10.32 | Jayce^ | mysql is about there too.. |
| 06:10.35 | Hanuman | if you know what I mean |
| 06:10.47 | Jayce^ | hoping that next months update will be more supportive of it.. been working on it a long time |
| 06:10.48 | tensai | yeah. perfect time for a flame war (for me) :) |
| 06:11.13 | Hanuman | tensai: you will win at this time of day |
| 06:12.02 | Hanuman | I do more of the coding, though than I have done with the maintenance side of things, so that is where I can give you the most info |
| 06:12.51 | tensai | for us, Postgres does everything we need. I've used Oracle but nothing too serious. |
| 06:13.05 | tensai | we still use Mysql for our web servers too |
| 06:13.40 | Hanuman | if it does what you need, no need to change IMO |
| 06:14.01 | tensai | just making sure I didn't miss anything |
| 06:14.25 | Hanuman | I'll think about it again tomorrow and let you know (if I'm actually awake tomorrow, too) |
| 06:15.03 | tensai | tomorrow's our company Christmas lunch. I can't believe my wife refused to come. |
| 06:15.35 | Hanuman | wow - your company invite's the spouses. Mine doesn't and my wife hates it. |
| 06:15.46 | Jayce^ | tensai, why? |
| 06:16.10 | tensai | didn't want the hassle of chasing our toddler around. or so she says. |
| 06:16.16 | tensai | plus some of the people are creepy |
| 06:18.53 | tensai | Hanuman: tell her I'll save her a sandwich |
| 06:19.16 | RyanE | mine invited families |
| 06:28.31 | Hanuman | tensai: tnx |
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| 07:19.47 | Hanuman | good night... |
| 07:21.10 | RyanE | gn |
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| 13:52.54 | brailsmt | waking up early sucks |
| 13:53.08 | brailsmt | with a capital 'S' |
| 13:59.52 | brailsmt | how do I return to my main inbox in mutt? ie, after I have looked at my uug mailbox, and I want to return to my default mailbox... |
| 14:39.57 | Hanuman | brailsmt: no, going to bed late and waking up early sucks |
| 14:40.22 | Hanuman | With 2 capital 'S''s |
| 14:51.56 | Hanuman | Man - I love all the competition out there in the music download industry |
| 14:53.04 | hans | Hanuman: cristy says we utahns standing in line for lotr made the news out there |
| 14:53.16 | hans | brailsmt: i |
| 15:00.58 | brailsmt | j |
| 15:01.04 | brailsmt | k |
| 15:01.07 | brailsmt | l |
| 15:01.08 | brailsmt | m |
| 15:01.11 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:05.45 | Hanuman | hans: really? I missed that one. |
| 15:05.52 | Hanuman | wonder what channel |
| 15:08.46 | Hanuman | I don't think it was as big out here as it was out there. I didn't hear much about lines or anything |
| 15:18.41 | hans | does an s-video input do video and audio or just video? |
| 15:18.59 | Mecworks | video only |
| 15:19.40 | Hanuman | video, but it's usually a major difference in video quality (from my experience) |
| 15:22.28 | brailsmt | s-video is a step up in video quality over rca video |
| 15:22.49 | brailsmt | for a real jump in quality you need component video :) |
| 15:23.15 | brailsmt | iirc, svideo can't do hdtv |
| 15:23.18 | Mecworks | Or the ultimate - digital all he way to your projector... 8^) |
| 15:23.44 | brailsmt | well, svido is digital |
| 15:23.50 | Mecworks | no it's analog |
| 15:24.11 | Mecworks | it's split over two coaxial cables |
| 15:24.18 | brailsmt | i must be wrong, but i always thought it was digital |
| 15:25.09 | Mecworks | Yea, it just splits the color and luminance over two seperate coaxial cables. |
| 15:25.38 | Mecworks | makes for cleaner signal probagation |
| 15:25.39 | brailsmt | ok, yeah you are right, and component splits the color too |
| 15:25.51 | Mecworks | yes. that's why it's even better. |
| 15:26.41 | brailsmt | ok, my realm tends to end at the video part of audio/video :) |
| 15:26.43 | Mecworks | http://www.mecworks.com/~marc/S-VIDEO-PIN.pdf |
| 15:27.20 | Mecworks | Just made a 30' s-video cable a few months ago. |
| 15:27.56 | Mecworks | You can actualy do longer runs if you use two seperate coaxial cables then combine them at the connectors. |
| 15:28.00 | brailsmt | 30' why on earth would you need one so long? |
| 15:28.14 | Mecworks | tivo in roommate' |
| 15:28.14 | brailsmt | doesn't the signal degrade? |
| 15:28.33 | Mecworks | tivo in roommates room needed to run to the "system". |
| 15:28.59 | hans | ~lart tivo owners |
| 15:29.02 | Mecworks | The signal is still very good - used high quality s-video cable. |
| 15:29.49 | Mecworks | If you need to run further, it's recommended that you run two coaxial cables instead of a combined s-video cable. |
| 15:30.17 | brailsmt | i played on an xbox last night, and I really liked it... |
| 15:30.25 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:30.49 | brailsmt | Project Gotham was pretty fun... |
| 15:31.17 | brailsmt | my favorite game of all time has to be WipeOut for PS1 though |
| 15:31.29 | Mecworks | 8^). I watched LOTR TT in preperation for today's Novell-movie-thing |
| 15:32.34 | Hanuman | component is supposed to work on my replaytv, but my TV I think uses a different type of component video - I can't wait until they fix their software to work w/ my TV (if they do so) |
| 15:32.47 | Hanuman | noticed he larted Tivo owners and not ReplayTV owners |
| 15:33.13 | Hanuman | Mecworks: With my ReplayTV I don't need long S-video - I can just stream it over a network to wherever I want it to go |
| 15:34.43 | Hanuman | In fact, when I have my TCP settings set just right, the video streamed to my computer (because it remains digital) is better quality than that on my TV |
| 15:36.19 | Mecworks | that's cool. I think my roommate has a similar setup for his tivo. But the "system" is a a pioneer receiver and a projector on a 10' diaganal screen in the living room with a couch and a lovesac. 8^) |
| 15:37.04 | hans | I've always loved beanbags |
| 15:37.15 | Mecworks | it's sweet |
| 15:37.22 | Mecworks | so is the projector |
| 15:40.15 | Hanuman | Mecworks: I want to write a plugin for MythTV that will take input streamed from the replaytv, show my stored shows, etc. When I have that, Maybe I'll setup my own similar-type system (when I get money, of course) |
| 15:41.04 | Hanuman | I can also share shows from my computer back to my replaytv |
| 15:41.17 | Hanuman | It pretends as though it were another replaytv |
| 15:42.06 | Mecworks | Yea. I wa pretty lucky getting the projector. It's not a new LCD or LDP - just an older panasonic RGB one. The UofU was remodeling their class rooms a while back and putting in new projectors. The were selling the old ones for $350.00. There's no way I could replace it right now if I had to |
| 15:42.47 | Hanuman | wow - that's an excellent price! I think I would have tried to find the money to get that. |
| 15:42.55 | Mecworks | It already broke once and cost me 250.00 to have it fixed at TV-specialists up in SLC. |
| 15:42.58 | Hanuman | Is the picture pretty good on the projector? |
| 15:43.07 | Hanuman | I hear the way to go is rear-projection tvs |
| 15:43.07 | Mecworks | Yea, it looks great. |
| 15:43.12 | Hanuman | for video quality |
| 15:43.36 | Mecworks | Yea, it's really good. But for TV/movies. It does no do computer resolutions. |
| 15:43.44 | Hanuman | My dad's looking into a big-screen rear-projection TV for his Home Theatre |
| 15:44.06 | Hanuman | Mecworks: makes sense - usually those only handle 640x480 |
| 15:44.19 | Mecworks | I'd personlay go projector. IMO. Smaller, lighter, bigger brighter screen for the same amt of $$ nowadays. |
| 15:44.46 | Hanuman | but which one do you think actually has the better picture (money aside)? |
| 15:45.28 | Mecworks | LDP projectors that have pixels off-set (not in a square grid) have _very_ good pic quality. |
| 15:46.03 | Mecworks | I think LDP is the way to go personaly. The improvement in pic q in RGB isn't worth the money IMP. |
| 15:46.04 | Hanuman | as good as a rear-projection TV? |
| 15:46.10 | Mecworks | IMO |
| 15:46.25 | Mecworks | Yea, much better that rear projection. |
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| 15:47.09 | Mecworks | I think any forward-projection system is _much_ better than rear. The screen takes some luminance out and it's hard to see off-center |
| 15:47.13 | Hanuman | interesting - I think I've always agreed with you on that, but in all my dad's magazines (he says) rear-projection still has the best quality. I couldn't give an explanation as to why, htough |
| 15:48.07 | Hanuman | s/htough/though/ |
| 15:48.12 | Mecworks | Well, the rear projection systesm all use normal projectors with settings to reverse the pic. They display on a fuzzy glass or plastic screen. |
| 15:48.46 | Mecworks | if you open up a rear-projection unit, you can take the progector out and reconfigure it to hang from your celing. |
| 15:48.49 | Hanuman | I think I'd go for the front-projection as well - bigger screen anyway |
| 15:49.03 | Mecworks | That's my thinking anyway. |
| 15:49.05 | Hanuman | interesting |
| 15:49.35 | Mecworks | well, off to work....ahem...LoTR RoTK....8^) |
| 15:50.26 | brailsmt | :( |
| 15:50.39 | bonez39 | where would I go to find some handholding to get me through compiling a new kernel? |
| 15:50.59 | bonez39 | I don't want to be a pest here...but would like to find someone to help me understand each step of the process... |
| 15:51.03 | hans | bonez39: I'll help ya |
| 15:51.19 | hans | step one: get the source |
| 15:52.10 | hans | bonez39: I'll email you a sourdough bread recipe when I get home |
| 15:53.00 | brailsmt | bonez39: it isn't terribly difficult, you just need to know your hardware for the configuration |
| 15:54.34 | bonez39 | ok....I download the source files...with --reinstall... |
| 15:54.56 | bonez39 | I already have them but I want to make sure I have them uncorrupted |
| 15:55.04 | bonez39 | ok..... |
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| 15:55.20 | bonez39 | brailsmt: ok, hardware, I believe, is not the hangup. here's what I am trying to do.. |
| 15:55.46 | bonez39 | I want to run netraverse's Win4Lin..I have run it before and it works fine if I can just compile the kernel correctly and get it patched right. |
| 15:55.53 | hans | bonez39: which sources? you might as well grab the 2.6.0 tarball from www.kernel.org |
| 15:56.11 | hans | (unless the 2.6.0 is in debian already, I guess) |
| 15:56.20 | bonez39 | I have to run two patches on the source...then check to make sure there are no hunk errors..and then with make menuconfig...make sure win4lin is enabled |
| 15:57.05 | bonez39 | ok......to get the new tarball? apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.0? do I search on that? |
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| 15:58.01 | bonez39 | is -test9 the latest? is that the one I want? |
| 15:58.53 | bonez39 | I already have that downloaded....question is whether netraverse has a patch and support for the 2.6.0 kernel..I think they have it |
| 16:01.18 | bonez39 | mmm.did I overload, too many comments? |
| 16:04.29 | hans | bonez39: 2.6.0 was released just a couple of days ago. I don't think debian has a package for its source yet. It won't hurt to get it from kernel.org |
| 16:07.31 | bonez39 | ok, I would have to update my win4lin license anyway, so I am going to get it compiled and working for now, with 2.4.22.... |
| 16:09.25 | bonez39 | here's where I get hung up...I download the source files, as a tar.bz2..and untar it into /usr/src/kernel-source.2.4.22...I untar it today, but the date for the newly created directory shows dec 5.... why would it not show today's date? I did this a couple times yesterday...ran rm -rf /usr/src/kernel-source.2.4.22 and cleaned it out..checked to make sure it was gone, but after opening the archive..it showed that earlier date |
| 16:09.43 | hans | maybe your clock is set wrong |
| 16:09.44 | hans | type date |
| 16:10.44 | bonez39 | Fri Dec 19 09:10:24 MST 2003 |
| 16:10.58 | bonez39 | looks right to me |
| 16:11.34 | bonez39 | ah, I misspeak..now it shows the correct date..yesterday it did not..but maybe I finally unarchived it correctly.. |
| 16:11.52 | bonez39 | ok, next step |
| 16:13.11 | bonez39 | the next they show is to patch the source...with two patches, a la patch -p1 < xxx.patch > patch.log 2>&1 |
| 16:13.14 | hans | ok, run your patches |
| 16:13.23 | bonez39 | so that I can look over the log and make sure it worked right... |
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| 16:15.41 | bonez39 | hans: ok, the first kernel patch went ok..now there is an mki-adapter patch..which is needed to let win4lin run... |
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| 16:16.17 | bonez39 | hans: but first it asks me to run a perl script to set EXTRAVERSION correctly..here's wher ei get confused...about what the perl script does |
| 16:16.29 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.29 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.44 | bonez39 | that's what it tells me to do.... |
| 16:17.13 | hans | bonez39: who asks you to do that? |
| 16:17.34 | bonez39 | hans: the instructions for patching the kernel ...from Netraverse...so that their product will run on this kernel.. |
| 16:17.56 | brailsmt | it just looks for EXTRAVERSION line and changes it to EXTRAVERSION = -mywin4lin |
| 16:17.58 | bonez39 | I have compiled 2.4.22 and am running 2.4.22 now...so, it's not a matter of 'try to just compile it without that first...' sort of thing.. |
| 16:17.58 | hans | let's just try ignoring that for now. I have no idea what they are talking about. do you have a /lib/modules/2.4.22 directory? |
| 16:18.32 | bonez39 | brailsmt: ok, I understand but then what program cares whether that line gets changed? that's what I wonder about |
| 16:19.05 | bonez39 | hans: yea, I have /lib/modules/2.4.22 |
| 16:19.24 | bonez39 | hans: that directory was created back on Nov 12 |
| 16:19.26 | brailsmt | beats me, but i bet it has something to do with your distro's kernel... ;) |
| 16:20.05 | hans | brailsmt: it has nothing to do with the distro and everything to do with the looney patch providers |
| 16:20.16 | bonez39 | my distro's kernel? I am runing debian 3.0 |
| 16:20.17 | brailsmt | well at least it makes it so the netraverse ppl think it won't affect your distro's kernel... |
| 16:20.37 | bonez39 | hans: yeah, looney or not..their patches are needed to run their product which I need to run |
| 16:20.54 | hans | bonez39: we'll introduce the extraversion change later with make-kpkg |
| 16:21.04 | hans | so ignore that step for now. its patch won't care in the least |
| 16:21.16 | brailsmt | why would the make you run a perl script to change something in a file... isn't that what a patch is? |
| 16:22.00 | hans | brailsmt: because they're looney. we've established that. ;-) |
| 16:23.24 | bonez39 | hans: clearly... |
| 16:23.58 | sjansen | Any body know Andrew McNabbs AIM id? |
| 16:24.25 | brailsmt | hon3ybunz, i think... |
| 16:24.26 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 16:27.54 | hans | so bonez39 let me know when you've applied the patches |
| 16:33.41 | Hanuman | hopefully everyone in LDSOSS doesn't think I'm communist now |
| 16:35.53 | Bradipo | I'm not on LDSOSS, what would make people think you're communist? |
| 16:36.03 | Bradipo | Are you an FSF sympathizer? |
| 16:37.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.31 | Hanuman | no - definitely not - they believe the government should force people to share their talents |
| 16:37.39 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:37.45 | Hanuman | I believe the people should do that out of their own free will |
| 16:38.06 | Hanuman | which, to me is what Carl Marx was saying in the Communist Manifesto |
| 16:38.12 | brailsmt | FSF has good ideas, but they go about it the wrong way... |
| 16:38.47 | Hanuman | My wife mentioned (she has a bachelors in history) that Carl Marx actually said at the end of his life that the way Stalin was doing it wasn't what he had envisioned |
| 16:38.49 | sjansen | Hanuman: Parse error. Do you believe Marx was in favor or opposed to compulsion? |
| 16:39.07 | Hanuman | sjansen: depends how you read the Communist Manifesto |
| 16:39.26 | sjansen | Sure sounded to me like a favored compulsion. |
| 16:40.13 | Hanuman | In some ways it does, but it also encourages that the people need to be willing to do it themselves before a government could be established to enforce and regulate it |
| 16:40.47 | Hanuman | and eventually, as the people got better at doing it, the government would be phased out due to the pure society |
| 16:40.48 | brailsmt | Marx thought a communist revolution was inevitable, but he also thought the russian revolution was forced... |
| 16:41.06 | sjansen | So he was willing to wait for a tyranny of the majority. People still would have been bullied into it. |
| 16:41.14 | Hanuman | yeah - it needs to be brought on by the people - not forced by some outside entity |
| 16:41.51 | Hanuman | sjansen: not necessarily - I don't think that's what he was going for. He himself believed that people were too corrupt for his ideals to work |
| 16:42.17 | Hanuman | I think Marx is highly misunderstood |
| 16:43.00 | Hanuman | Although I haven't studied his whole life, and made it my destiny to understand him. My wife could give you a handful of knowledge about him, though |
| 16:43.13 | brailsmt | he thought that the a revolution was a natural progression of the oppression of the people by the upper classes... |
| 16:44.32 | brailsmt | but he envisioned that it would take a long time to arrive a the point that the people would revolt, not a decade or two in the case of the russian revolution... |
| 16:44.44 | brailsmt | and to be fair, lenin didn't like stalin either... |
| 16:44.51 | brailsmt | does anyone like stalin? |
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| 16:45.43 | Hanuman | I think his ideas were misconstrued by alot of people |
| 16:45.50 | Hanuman | and taken advantage of |
| 16:46.07 | hans | does refreshing the fedex tracking page make things get here faster? |
| 16:46.17 | brailsmt | hans: yes :) |
| 16:46.21 | sjansen | hans: Hard to say. Keep trying. |
| 16:46.23 | Hanuman | hans: only sometimes |
| 16:47.23 | Hanuman | Those are just my opinions of Marx's writings - I didn't know the man myself, nor did I live back then, so I couldn't tell you myself if that is what he really wanted |
| 16:47.37 | brailsmt | anyone care to enlighten me how to get scsi working? |
| 16:47.37 | sjansen | Unless of course they have little elves grab the package and respond with its current location. But I think that fedex upgraded from elves to psychics because they could handle more packages remotely. |
| 16:47.48 | Hanuman | If I'm wrong, those are my thoughts on how a society should run |
| 16:48.47 | Hanuman | I just no longer have anything but gospel teachings to support them - oh well - those will do |
| 16:48.59 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 16:51.09 | Hanuman | brailsmt: don't forget to get my wife a sandwich |
| 16:51.36 | brailsmt | forget? how could I forget, i was never told :) |
| 16:52.32 | Hanuman | was it you I was talking to last night about my work not inviting the spouses to Christmas parties? |
| 16:52.57 | brailsmt | nope |
| 16:53.08 | hans | Hanuman: I wouldn't go. |
| 16:53.10 | Hanuman | brailsmt: well, get my wife a sandwich anyway |
| 16:53.32 | Hanuman | hans: you wouldn't go where? |
| 16:54.10 | hans | to a work party where my wife wasn't invited |
| 16:54.31 | hans | make that work christmas party. if it was a work lan party... |
| 16:54.31 | Hanuman | hans: really? Even if it was during work hours and there was free food? |
| 16:54.42 | hans | oh, during work hours. that's different. :) |
| 16:54.54 | hans | paid to go? |
| 16:55.01 | Hanuman | yeah - not too big a deal - my wife just wants to go to a work christmas party |
| 16:55.03 | Hanuman | yes, paid |
| 16:55.34 | Hanuman | catered meal by professional cooks |
| 16:55.40 | Hanuman | secret santa gifts |
| 16:56.21 | Hanuman | plus we get the day off early |
| 16:56.40 | Hanuman | I'd take better insurance over that anyday, though |
| 17:05.23 | bonez39 | hans: ok, back now..had to treat a patient.. |
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| 17:06.41 | tensai | Hanuman: it was me. you must have really been tired. :) |
| 17:08.25 | bonez39 | hans: here's my question....when I tell it with that perl script to change EXTRAVERSION... with = -mywin4lin ... can that -mywin4lin part be anything I want to call it, or is that linked to other things in the kernel and in the make process? |
| 17:09.47 | hans | anything you want |
| 17:09.57 | hans | but don't do it. what we do later will overwrite it anyway |
| 17:10.18 | bonez39 | ok..I'll just run that and the other patch and then let you know if it works or not |
| 17:12.11 | bonez39 | hans: it appears it was patched correctly |
| 17:13.26 | hans | great. now, 'make xconfig' |
| 17:13.29 | hans | or menuconfig if you prefer |
| 17:14.45 | hans | He's nothing if not opinionated. And obviously a windows programmer who felt threatened and retaliates in his treatise although he preteneds to be open about it. in any case, he liked the book. :) |
| 17:15.08 | Hanuman | tensai: yeah - I was wondering. I was extremely tired - been up late all week this week trying to get this contract job finished |
| 17:16.11 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 17:16.35 | bonez39 | hans; what about make clean first? do I need that? |
| 17:17.10 | hans | bonez39: don't need to |
| 17:17.18 | bonez39 | ok |
| 17:18.27 | Hanuman | "if dealing with programmers overseas is more appealing to the bottom line, why not let your programmers work from home for 50-80% of their current in-office pay?" |
| 17:18.32 | bonez39 | hans: here's where I want to cut the fat....should I just go through and clean up what I don't need? |
| 17:18.43 | Hanuman | I want to know that, too |
| 17:19.24 | bonez39 | hans: also, normally there's a step where one copys the .config file over from what is currently working, with sound, networking, etc.. so that the new configuration will have those things that work, and not leave the new kernel disabled..should I have copied that over to the source directory first? |
| 17:21.22 | hans | bonez39: you have two options: copy the .config in and prune it, or start with the defaults (which are pretty spartan) and add/prune |
| 17:21.41 | hans | the first is generally easier. the last works well if you know your hardware |
| 17:23.00 | bonez39 | hans: at this point, running make menuconfig..and after having run the patches...successfullly..do I finish now and then copy the config, or does running make menuconfig alter the config file? dumb question, I know |
| 17:23.19 | hans | bonez39: if you're gonna copy the config file, do it before you run menuconfig |
| 17:23.23 | hans | or you lose everything you did |
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| 17:35.44 | neybar_work | ~lart sjansens bad mood |
| 17:36.47 | tensai | ~lart flash |
| 17:38.15 | tensai | just had a user forward everybody an executable Christmas flash animation. aarg. could have been a virus. and now I'm the bad guy for bagging on cutsie animations |
| 17:43.29 | hans | tensai: given the choice between dancing pigs and security, users will choose dancing pigs every time. |
| 17:45.28 | Hanuman | I'm a flying elephants guy myself |
| 17:47.26 | hans | http://pigdance.freeservers.com/ |
| 17:48.20 | hans | that quote is from schneier |
| 17:48.24 | hans | "And given the choice between security and downloading a program that will show dancing pigs on the screen, users will choose dancing pigs just about every time. (p. 356)" |
| 17:49.21 | hans | http://www.cincinnatidancingpigs.com/ |
| 17:49.37 | hans | a much more reputable dancing pig site |
| 17:50.24 | tensai | maybe if we had official dancing pigs on the company intranet, they would feel the need to view unauthorized pig portrayals |
| 17:51.37 | neybar_work | does anyone know, or have a source, that shows speed differences between using postgres triggers (or stored proceedures in general) and doing flow control and logic externally? For example I have a table that when updated calls a trigger which then uses data from the original table and fills in four other tables. |
| 17:52.14 | Hanuman | tensai: yeah - that's an idea - just start downloading all the most common flash e-mails and post them on the intranet - tell them if they want to view flash files to go there, not to their e-mail |
| 17:53.01 | Hanuman | Then record the time each user spends on the intranet at that site and keep your own log for blackmail later on should they be mad at you for something ;-) |
| 17:56.47 | sjansen | neybar_work: It shouldn't be a question of speed. |
| 17:56.59 | neybar_work | but it is... |
| 17:57.09 | neybar_work | I need/want a fast system |
| 17:57.14 | sjansen | Putting the logic in a trigger ensures business logic. Otherwise, you depend on the appropriate routine always being called. |
| 17:57.50 | sjansen | For smaller systems, triggers are superior. Depending on how they are handled, they can reduce or increase portablity. |
| 17:58.18 | sjansen | For larger systems, they can become limiting and brittle. |
| 17:58.40 | sjansen | (Unless you have the horse power to be keeping business logic and database on the same machine.) |
| 17:59.49 | neybar_work | I haven't decided if I like triggers. I can see how they would be extremely useful, esspecially if you have a full time DBA. |
| 18:00.59 | sjansen | If speed is really your only concern, they only way to know for sure is to benchmark. |
| 18:01.22 | neybar_work | at the same time, wearing both hats gets (DBA and Programmer) adds a level of complexity, in that I have to jump back and forth from the postgres trigger language to perl. While I'm not generally opposed to that if there is a real advantage, I would like to know more performance stats. |
| 18:01.38 | sjansen | Don't forget to project for growth and use the real system. Your going to be affecting the planner whichever you choose. |
| 18:03.54 | tensai | neybar_work: you can use pl/perl and write your triggers in perl |
| 18:04.10 | neybar_work | cool |
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| 18:04.25 | neybar_work | ah, just the man I was looking for... |
| 18:04.38 | tensai | I've never done it personally, though |
| 18:04.55 | neybar_work | you are a postgres/store procedures advocate aren't you HarleyPig? |
| 18:05.15 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... but it's been more than a year since I've done anything in it. |
| 18:06.05 | Jayce^ | ah, an advocate without a clue :) |
| 18:06.57 | HarleyPig | BTW, Jayce^, sometimes I think staying inactive would have been easier. |
| 18:07.45 | HarleyPig | I must admit, mysql is coming closer to being able to do either my way or Jayce^'s way though. |
| 18:07.46 | neybar_work | ok, well I asked a question earlier concerning speed and triggers in postgres. Moving on to a more theoretical plane... what are the pros/cons of using code or stored procedures to store business logic? |
| 18:08.13 | HarleyPig | pros -- it's tied to the data |
| 18:08.24 | HarleyPig | cons -- it's another language/procedure you have to learn |
| 18:08.41 | HarleyPig | which is really a pro, but when you're in a hurry or really busy... |
| 18:08.41 | neybar_work | The biggest con that I have run into is inflexibility (on stored procedures). Mainly in that I am tied to that database engine. |
| 18:08.53 | HarleyPig | Definitely ... |
| 18:09.16 | HarleyPig | however ... you're pretty much tied to that db anyway, good programming practices aside. |
| 18:09.36 | neybar_work | I am starting to like postgres, but I'm not sure that it is the best engine for our app. |
| 18:09.40 | Jayce^ | cons -- portability |
| 18:09.42 | HarleyPig | Once you've convinced your boss, or your boss is convinced otherwise, to use a particular db, it's very difficult to get it changed. |
| 18:09.49 | bonez39 | hans: still here? |
| 18:09.57 | Jayce^ | cons -- load balancing, if your db doesn't cluster |
| 18:10.17 | HarleyPig | err ... PG load balances, just not as easily as mysql. |
| 18:11.45 | HarleyPig | portability isn't as big a problem as people think ... as long as you're going from a sql server to an sql server, the biggest problem would be converting the proceudres ... since pl is based on oracle, that's not a big problem. |
| 18:11.52 | Jayce^ | heh.. replication in pg is new, and immature.. we tried it |
| 18:11.58 | HarleyPig | If you're porting to mssql, then you have other things to worry aboutanywya. |
| 18:12.31 | neybar_work | heh |
| 18:12.55 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but a decent work around is to write a view that calls a procedure which writes to the local table and a remote table after return a value. |
| 18:13.24 | HarleyPig | I don't remember which site is doing that, but they aren't having many problems with it. |
| 18:13.51 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, not decent enough.. especially for having multiple write servers.. |
| 18:14.14 | HarleyPig | True. |
| 18:14.30 | HarleyPig | I don't this site I'm t hinking of had more thaqn the one write server. |
| 18:15.05 | hans | bonez39: yeah |
| 18:15.34 | bonez39 | I run make menuconfig and want to ensure that my tulip driver gets compiled in....but I don't know where to add the selection...so that tupil gets compiled in |
| 18:15.38 | HarleyPig | Hey! I just got some spam! Apparently Paris Hilton was caught on tape! Only $50 and I can have the whole uncensored thing! |
| 18:15.55 | bonez39 | HarleyPig: what a bargin Harley.....go for it.... |
| 18:16.06 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 18:16.17 | bonez39 | of course they are making money...if they send that to a million people and only .001 respond..they are making money... |
| 18:16.24 | HarleyPig | Especially since I can get from multiple web site, nntp servers and mailing lists for free! |
| 18:16.26 | bonez39 | that's 0.001 percent |
| 18:16.31 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 18:17.19 | hans | bonez39: lemme look |
| 18:18.06 | HarleyPig | neybar_work: does that answer your questions? |
| 18:19.06 | bonez39 | hans: I find DECchip tulip PCI support... not sure if my NIC is PCI or not..but believe that it is.. |
| 18:20.13 | bonez39 | hans: would that DECchip option work? It's the only one I find that has 'tulip' with it |
| 18:22.22 | hans | your nic is almost certainly pci |
| 18:23.09 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.28 | sjansen | Stored procedures can actually improve portability. |
| 18:26.45 | sjansen | Say you've got a system with Perl, C, and Cobol all interacting with the database. |
| 18:27.39 | sjansen | You have to either 1) Funnel all operations through a single library to enforce business rules. or 2) Replicate business logic in multiple languages. |
| 18:27.43 | hans | bonez39: DECchip Tulip PCI support is what you want |
| 18:28.08 | Jayce^ | sjansen, or have a neutral middleware (rpc, soap, etc...) |
| 18:28.19 | Jayce^ | n-tier |
| 18:28.29 | sjansen | See 1. |
| 18:28.47 | neybar_work | HarleyPig: yes |
| 18:29.04 | sjansen | Stored procedures and views is a third way. |
| 18:29.49 | sjansen | It has advantages and disadvantages. I consider avoiding RPC where possible an advantage. |
| 18:31.25 | bonez39 | hans: ok, make menuconfig is set...I think..it finished ok.now to run make for the modules, kernel, etc..right? |
| 18:32.00 | bonez39 | hans: netraverse' suggestion for make is : make dep clean bzImage modules 2>&1 | tee make.log |
| 18:32.13 | bonez39 | hans: does that look OK? aside from being 'looney'? |
| 18:33.53 | hans | bonez39: not so looney, but we're going to do it an easier way |
| 18:33.58 | hans | type: |
| 18:34.31 | hans | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version foo kernel-image |
| 18:34.52 | hans | replace foo with whatever you want (this is where EXTRAVERSION will be set) |
| 18:38.26 | bonez39 | hans: ok... |
| 18:39.10 | bonez39 | so I can replace foo with whatever name I want the kernel to have? such as win4lin1912? is that ok? |
| 18:41.38 | bonez39 | fakeroot command not found |
| 18:42.04 | bonez39 | fakeroot does nothing.it's not on my system apparently |
| 18:42.22 | hans | bonez39: yup. use sudo instead of fakeroot then, or install fakeroot (I would do the latter) |
| 18:42.59 | bonez39 | ok...will apt-get in in a minute |
| 18:45.30 | bonez39 | hans: ok, it started and is running now...when it first started though, it said version win4lin1912 did not match with mywin4lin01 or whatever it stored already....does that matter, that it found a mismatch? it seems to be compiling now ok |
| 18:45.39 | bonez39 | or making..it's running all these make commands |
| 18:45.44 | bonez39 | gcc this and that |
| 18:46.24 | bonez39 | hans: I reckon this make will take a few hours....I need a newer CPU.. |
| 18:52.33 | hans | bonez39: oops forgot a step |
| 18:52.35 | hans | make-kpkg clean |
| 18:52.47 | hans | then do the line above. sorry. it won't mess with your configuration |
| 18:52.59 | hans | (ctrl-c to break) |
| 18:53.47 | brailsmt | apt-get install gentoo |
| 18:53.49 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 19:01.45 | byron | what's the best way to determine which authorization schemes a pop3 server supports? |
| 19:02.20 | Jayce^ | kmail has a feature that can sniff that.. |
| 19:03.15 | byron | better put, what pop3 command does it use to get the info? |
| 19:03.36 | Bradipo | Anyone know of a good tool for analyzing a tcpdump (pcap) file? |
| 19:03.46 | sjansen | ethereal |
| 19:03.48 | Bradipo | Besides tcpdump and ethereal. |
| 19:03.53 | Bradipo | I need something a little more advanced. |
| 19:03.54 | sjansen | :-P |
| 19:04.04 | Bradipo | Something that will organize the data into a meaningful way. :-0 |
| 19:04.24 | Bradipo | Graphical in nature. |
| 19:04.27 | sjansen | If it understands the protocol, ethereal can reconstruct streams. |
| 19:04.34 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 19:04.38 | sjansen | ethereal-gnome, of course |
| 19:07.31 | tensai | Bradipo: try tcptrace (www.tcptrace.org) |
| 19:07.59 | byron | Jayce^: found it, CAPA will tell you |
| 19:08.00 | Bradipo | Hmm, cool. |
| 19:09.53 | fozzmoo | http://engrish.com/image/engrish/santa-please-stop.jpg |
| 19:13.18 | Bradipo | Hmm, tcptrace doesn't support tcpdump format... |
| 19:13.37 | Bradipo | Or it isn't recognizing my tcpdump file... |
| 19:13.53 | tensai | works for me on tcpdump files |
| 19:14.06 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 19:16.00 | tensai | is it a big endian, little endian problem? what sort of machine did you record them one? |
| 19:16.03 | tensai | s/one/on/ |
| 19:17.17 | Bradipo | Hmm, that could be it. |
| 19:17.26 | Bradipo | The hardware is all intel hardware. |
| 19:17.37 | Bradipo | pflog.dump: tcpdump capture file (little-endian) - version 2.4, capture length 116) |
| 19:18.32 | Bradipo | As far as I am aware, OpenBSD on Intel hardware is little-endian. |
| 19:19.44 | tensai | yeah, it has to be |
| 19:19.59 | tensai | foo.dump: tcpdump capture file (little-endian) - version 2.4 (Ethernet, capture length 96) |
| 19:20.10 | Bradipo | Yeah, I noticed that. |
| 19:20.21 | Bradipo | No Ethernet on the first... |
| 19:20.38 | tensai | is it fiber? |
| 19:20.50 | Bradipo | No, it's logged from pf. |
| 19:21.35 | Bradipo | tcpdump has no problem viewing the dump though. |
| 19:22.16 | tensai | can you do a tcpdump -r <dump> -w <dump> and rewrite the capture? |
| 19:22.38 | Bradipo | I tried that. |
| 19:22.42 | Bradipo | Same results. |
| 19:24.07 | Bradipo | I'll see if the #openbsd folks know anything. :-) |
| 19:25.20 | tensai | Bradipo: I can send you my dump to play with too, if you want |
| 19:27.09 | Bradipo | Well, I can get dumps from elsewhere. |
| 19:27.15 | Bradipo | I'm now wondering why it doesn't already work. |
| 19:27.23 | Bradipo | Maybe the pflog format is slightly different in some way. |
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| 20:07.01 | Hanuman | heehee - HarleyPig writes Perl Bugs! |
| 20:07.23 | Hanuman | His Perl is buggy ;-) |
| 20:49.42 | HarleyPig | Huh? |
| 20:49.59 | HarleyPig | Oh ... my "perl bug won't be denied". |
| 20:50.02 | HarleyPig | yeah yeah |
| 21:04.27 | bonez39 | hans? is he back ? |
| 21:12.07 | hans | yo |
| 21:12.25 | hans | bonez39: is it done? |
| 21:12.31 | hans | when it is, install the package: |
| 21:12.41 | hans | cd ..; dpkg -i kernel-image-whatever.deb |
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| 21:48.35 | hans | ~lart stupid quiz transmitters for physics classes |
| 21:49.48 | jakea | need some help in physics hans? |
| 21:50.08 | hans | jakea: only if you have a stupid quiz transmitter to lend me |
| 21:52.04 | jakea | here, I'll help you study: Describe the large-scale structure of the universe as revealed by the distribution of clusters and superstuctures of galaxies. |
| 21:52.16 | hans | jakea: it's big. |
| 21:52.27 | hans | and mainly empty |
| 21:53.13 | jakea | no, I'm sorry, the correct answer is: "It's really big" |
| 21:53.16 | jakea | -5 |
| 22:06.09 | sjansen | The bosses away.... so we just had a soft-rocket war. |
| 22:06.30 | sjansen | One guy has a wall of chair stacked to protect his desk. |
| 22:12.28 | hans | emcnabb: you in the 12:00 section of physics, right? |
| 22:14.38 | emcnabb | hans, yeah |
| 22:15.55 | sjansen | You sure you guys would prefer the 11am? |
| 22:16.07 | sjansen | s/would/wouldn't/ |
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| 22:45.42 | sjansen | Having a _real_ hard time staying at work. |
| 22:51.20 | hans | sjansen: I already left |
| 22:54.54 | bonez39 | hans: |
| 22:56.56 | bonez39 | hmmm everyone in class? |
| 22:58.22 | sjansen | No class. Semester done! |
| 22:59.09 | bonez39 | oh, break time.. |
| 22:59.16 | bonez39 | I guess hans left already then.. |
| 23:03.26 | sjansen | Have a merry Christmas, all. |
| 23:08.03 | hans | bonez39: I'm in 'n out |
| 23:08.55 | bonez39 | hans: cool...the make-kpkg seems to have worked alright..and finished, do I run dpkg -i kernel-image*.deb now? |
| 23:13.28 | hans | yes |
| 23:21.57 | bonez39 | hans: I forgot one thing with your make-kpkg command...forgot the --initrd parameter..I know I will get a kernel-panic and frozen system if I try to boot it now, but I am going to try it. |
| 23:23.03 | bonez39 | back soon |
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