| 00:04.41 | hans | tensai: sweet! How did it turn out tasting? I like how the one loaf looks like a conehead |
| 00:05.47 | hans | next time take a picture or scan of a slice too. :) |
| 00:11.14 | Moeser | you would think (\w)([\1])\2 would force it to match three identical characters, but it doesn't match for me at all |
| 00:11.48 | jsmith | That's the problem with regular expressions... they never are... well... regular! |
| 00:12.20 | Moeser | my regular expressions need a glass of metamucil |
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| 00:14.29 | emcnabb | ROTK rocks! |
| 00:15.47 | lukfugl | Moeser: I don't think you can put backreferences into a character class definition... |
| 00:16.03 | Moeser | ahh, that could be the problem |
| 00:16.07 | jsmith | emcnabb: Not when you get called out half-way through the movie to fix a bad phone switch |
| 00:16.48 | jsmith | Only got to see half of it :-( |
| 00:18.09 | tensai | hans: I've still got some. I'll take a picture of a slice later tonight |
| 00:19.04 | lukfugl | /(\w)(\1)\2/ does what you're describing (although, /(\w)\1{2}/ makes a little more sense (admittedly not much)) |
| 00:19.35 | Moeser | yah, it'll match three only |
| 00:19.50 | tensai | it tasted pretty good but I got a little sick after eating too many plain slices |
| 00:19.55 | Moeser | but i was setting it up mainly as a test to see how backreferences work in a character class definition |
| 00:20.02 | lukfugl | Moeser: what's the end result of what your trying to match? |
| 00:20.12 | lukfugl | Moeser: well, you found the answer :) |
| 00:20.18 | Moeser | since now i know they don't work, im trying to figure out the original problem :) |
| 00:20.26 | tensai | I think the conehead look is because the dough is thicker in the center than the ends. I can never get it even. |
| 00:21.20 | Moeser | lukfugl: the original question: <synic> three characters in a row. The second character cannot be the same as first character, and the third has to be the same as the second. |
| 00:21.20 | Moeser | <synic> so like bee would match |
| 00:21.28 | lukfugl | emcnabb: sure does! despite the minor departures, it followed the theme of the book very well, and I can see why Pete had to do what he did |
| 00:23.02 | lukfugl | Moeser: hmmm, that is tough without being able to put the backreference in the character class |
| 00:23.04 | Moeser | yah :/ |
| 00:23.26 | Moeser | i don't know of any other ways to say "not" in regex than in a character class |
| 00:24.03 | fozzmoo | print if /(.)(.)(.)/ and $1 ne $2 and $2 eq $3 |
| 00:24.04 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 00:24.15 | Moeser | hehehe |
| 00:24.19 | lukfugl | fozzmoo: cheater :) |
| 00:24.42 | lukfugl | isn't there a way to negate an atom? |
| 00:24.52 | fozzmoo | fission? |
| 00:24.58 | lukfugl | lol |
| 00:25.34 | hans | tensai: heh, I know that syndrome |
| 00:25.36 | fozzmoo | I thought this would work: (.)([^\1])\2 |
| 00:25.48 | hans | tensai: so it was a success then. congrats |
| 00:27.21 | tensai | my mother in law wants a bit of start too |
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| 00:31.25 | lukfugl | /(\w)(?!\1)(\w)\2/ |
| 00:31.27 | lukfugl | there :) |
| 00:32.01 | hans | tensai: just take a tad, add flour until it's the consistency of "wet cardboard", and mail it |
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| 00:32.26 | tensai | hans: she's in town so I'll probably just stick it in some tupperware |
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| 00:32.38 | hans | that works too :) |
| 00:33.02 | synic | lukfugl: wow, you win the prize |
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| 00:36.17 | Moeser | hmm |
| 00:36.29 | Moeser | new one to me, how does the (?!\1) work? |
| 00:36.31 | synic | I don't know why that works.. but it does. |
| 00:36.39 | synic | yeah, explain :) |
| 00:37.14 | hans | it's magic. |
| 00:37.21 | fozzmoo | lukfugl: That's great! |
| 00:37.31 | hans | if you incantate ?! then whatever you want to happen happens |
| 00:37.31 | synic | gotta love that magic |
| 00:37.50 | fozzmoo | m#\b(\w)(?!\1)(\w)\2\b# |
| 00:38.12 | hans | with enough mental discipline you can write entire package management scripts in one line: |
| 00:38.22 | hans | perl -e "?!" |
| 00:38.40 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.04 | Moeser | ahh negative look ahead |
| 00:39.35 | Moeser | ya learn something new every day ;) |
| 00:40.24 | Moeser | uh oh, power flickering |
| 00:42.50 | lukfugl | yeah, zero-width negative look ahead (sorry, was busy, wasn't able to say so right away) |
| 00:47.31 | lukfugl | Ok, I've a got a RH box that I'm trying to get PerlMagick (perl libraries for ImageMagick) installed on, and things just aren't cooperating |
| 00:48.12 | lukfugl | install "Image::Magick" in CPAN fails when it starts compiling -- has any one run up against and solved this problem before? |
| 00:51.58 | lukfugl | ok, nevermind. I just had to look a little harder (1h 15m instead of 1h) on google to find the rpm package name, then I got the appropriate version from rpmfind and it's happy again |
| 00:52.15 | lukfugl | I'm still curious as to why the CPAN package is broke though |
| 00:56.09 | fozzmoo | Have you tried just installing the ImageMagick perl RPM? |
| 00:56.22 | fozzmoo | Oh- would help if I read everything before replying. |
| 00:56.36 | fozzmoo | yum and apt-get can be your friend. :) |
| 00:58.34 | lukfugl | yeah, like I said, I'm used to debian :) and gentoo |
| 00:59.09 | fozzmoo | Yeah- install apt4rpm and you're back home. :) |
| 00:59.38 | fozzmoo | See http://apt.freshrpms.net/ |
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| 01:21.28 | Hanuman | Image::Magick works best on RedHat w/ the rpms - I've had a few problems w/ it myself. The rpms always seem to work fine, though |
| 01:26.34 | lukfugl | ok, now an apache question. I'm doing a RewriteMap to turn subdirectories into user IDs. eg. I have a single generic script called myscript.cgi, and if I go to the url "http://mysite.com/joe/myscript.cgi", I look up 'joe', set an environment variable with his ID and call that generic version of myscript.cgi which will recognize the environment variable I set and behave accordingly |
| 01:26.47 | lukfugl | This is the rule I'm using: |
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| 01:27.12 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.29 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.54 | lukfugl | blah blah blah (lots of other stuff pertinent to the described behavior, but not pertinent to my upcoming question -- there really is one) |
| 01:29.11 | lukfugl | anyways, if I run /var/www/mysite.com/mapping_function.pl from the command line, and give it 'joe' on standard input, it spits out '42', like it's s'posed to. |
| 01:29.51 | lukfugl | but turning on the Rewrite logs I see this: "map lookup OK: map=sites key=joe -> val=" |
| 01:30.45 | lukfugl | I had this working correctly once upon a time, but someone upgraded apache or something and now it's broke |
| 01:33.31 | lukfugl | doh |
| 01:33.31 | lukfugl | found it |
| 01:34.01 | Hanuman | that's much easier to do w/ mod_perl should you learn it some day |
| 01:34.10 | lukfugl | they'd reinstalled the server and perl moved from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin, and I needed to change my shebang |
| 01:35.16 | lukfugl | Hanuman: but wouldn't you still have to do url rewriting to get it to always use the same script (without making a directory tree full of symlinks)? |
| 01:35.39 | Hanuman | yeah, but you can do it w/i mod_uriRewrite |
| 01:36.10 | Hanuman | for example: |
| 01:37.00 | Hanuman | in your httpd.conf file you would include: |
| 01:37.35 | Hanuman | 9014 Patterson Ave #18 |
| 01:37.35 | Hanuman | Richmond, Virginia 23229 |
| 01:37.35 | Hanuman | Phone: (804)741-3845 |
| 01:37.35 | Hanuman | E-mail: jesse@thestays.org |
| 01:37.35 | Hanuman | oops - wrong one |
| 01:37.36 | Hanuman | don't include that |
| 01:37.37 | lukfugl | :) |
| 01:37.55 | lukfugl | so Hanuman = Jesse Stay from the lists? |
| 01:37.59 | Hanuman | sorry - it's the transhandler - here's what you'll include: |
| 01:38.01 | Hanuman | lukfugl: yes |
| 01:38.07 | Hanuman | SetHandler perl-script |
| 01:38.09 | Hanuman | PerlTransHandler uriHandler::rewriteUserUri |
| 01:38.23 | Hanuman | you can have a perl module called uriHandler.pm |
| 01:38.27 | Hanuman | here's mine: |
| 01:38.51 | Hanuman | get ready... |
| 01:38.52 | Hanuman | package uriHandler; |
| 01:38.52 | Hanuman | use strict; |
| 01:38.52 | Hanuman | use Apache::Constants qw(:common); |
| 01:38.55 | Hanuman | use vars qw{ |
| 01:38.57 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.00 | Hanuman | }; |
| 01:39.02 | Hanuman | sub rewriteUserUri { |
| 01:39.05 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.07 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.10 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.12 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.15 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.17 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.20 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.23 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.25 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.28 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.30 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.33 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.35 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.38 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.40 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.43 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.45 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.48 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.51 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.53 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.56 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.58 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.01 | Hanuman | } |
| 01:40.03 | Hanuman | 1; |
| 01:40.06 | Hanuman | so basically you can use the perl module to parse out the url, and then do anything you want to it before rewriting it. |
| 01:40.36 | Hanuman | In the above example I'm reading in the uri, parsing out the userid, checking to see that it exists in the db, and tagging it on to the end as a variable |
| 01:41.15 | Hanuman | (the above is a bit bloated because I'm doing several extra things besides rewriting the uri) |
| 01:41.37 | Hanuman | but if you go to http://www.thestays.org/jessestay - that is the script it is running |
| 01:42.21 | lukfugl | ok, that makes sense |
| 01:42.42 | Hanuman | I don't know if that's any more impressive than what you were doing before or not, but I like it because I have complete control over the rewrite of the uri |
| 01:45.42 | lukfugl | it does seem more flexible, but with the right shebang the current version works. I'll kee yours in mind for future attempts though :) |
| 01:46.51 | Hanuman | best to go with what you have that works rather than rewrite, I agree |
| 01:58.40 | lukfugl | ok, well thanks for the help, cya'll later |
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| 03:38.55 | RedHat | Anyone attend the sllug meeting tonight? |
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| 03:45.24 | fozzmoo | I didn't go. I'm a PostgreSQL guy. |
| 03:45.58 | RedHat | just wondering how it went |
| 03:48.18 | Hanuman | what's the best way to view raw html text? |
| 03:48.35 | fozzmoo | With a text editor, probably. |
| 03:48.37 | Hanuman | sorry - raw e-mail text |
| 03:48.56 | fozzmoo | Again, a text editor or a pager like less or more. |
| 03:49.31 | Hanuman | yeah, but how do I get at the e-mail? Is there a good e-mail client in Linux that will let me view raw-text of e-mails? |
| 03:49.44 | Hanuman | I want all the headers, separators, text, html, etc |
| 03:50.12 | spr5 | mutt gives me all the headers, etc |
| 03:50.15 | spr5 | with colors! |
| 03:50.43 | Hanuman | I don't care about colors - I want raw text - everything that was originally sent |
| 03:51.23 | Hanuman | If there was a text version sent with the html version I want to see both versions in the text seperated by the specified separator |
| 03:57.24 | Hanuman | any Mail::Sendmail experts in here? |
| 04:15.13 | fozzmoo | I like Mail::Mailer. |
| 04:15.48 | fozzmoo | Hanuman: mutt will let you pipe a message into any program, like a pager. |
| 04:16.09 | fozzmoo | When you are viewing the message, you can type '|less' and it will pipe message content into less. |
| 04:22.19 | Hanuman | fozzmoo: tnx |
| 04:22.46 | Hanuman | I ended up figuring out what I needed, but that will be useful to know - what are the differences between Mail::Mailer and Mail::Sendmail? |
| 04:24.52 | bytheway | 2.6 kernel out |
| 04:25.00 | Hanuman | beat me to it |
| 04:25.24 | bytheway | it's a good day |
| 04:26.37 | bytheway | now I need to figure out how to get it running on my gentoo box |
| 04:27.01 | bytheway | it'll make for a nice holiday break project. |
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| 04:29.33 | sjansen | 2.6! |
| 04:30.02 | fozzmoo | Hanuman: Mail::Mailer is a nice abstract package that can use Net::SMTP, Mail::Sendmail, or a few other backends. |
| 04:30.12 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Old news. :) |
| 04:30.27 | fozzmoo | bytheway already mentioned it 5 min ago. |
| 04:37.13 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 04:37.51 | Bradipo | Return of the King was very good. |
| 04:39.12 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 04:43.24 | sjansen | Don't you know there's finals going on! Show some sensitivity you clod. |
| 04:47.13 | fozzmoo | Sorry. Didn't know you were a *snickers* student! *snickers* |
| 04:50.04 | emcnabb | my kernel patch got accepted! |
| 04:50.28 | sjansen | emcnabb has a kernel patch?! |
| 04:50.40 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:50.43 | Bradipo | Cool, what did you patch? |
| 04:50.45 | emcnabb | it's a oneliner |
| 04:50.48 | fozzmoo | LIke an iron-on? |
| 04:50.51 | emcnabb | for my wireless card |
| 04:51.00 | emcnabb | http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1517 |
| 04:51.01 | fozzmoo | oh cool. What kind of NIC? |
| 04:51.24 | fozzmoo | Cool. Maybe you can help me get PCMCIA working on my FX190. :) |
| 04:51.46 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:51.50 | emcnabb | I'm no expert |
| 04:51.57 | emcnabb | just desperate :-) |
| 04:52.20 | sjansen | Did it make 2.6? |
| 04:52.30 | bytheway | so, how hard is it to get 2.6 running on gentoo, emcnabb? |
| 04:52.39 | emcnabb | bytheway, it's easy |
| 04:52.49 | emcnabb | sjansen, it will be in one of the early 2.6.X |
| 04:53.01 | emcnabb | (it's in hard freeze right now) |
| 04:53.19 | bytheway | any complications with devfs being depracated? |
| 04:53.38 | bytheway | s/depracated/deprecated/ |
| 04:54.04 | sjansen | You just added an entry to a table. Andrew is still cooler. (But don't stop trying.) |
| 04:54.48 | sjansen | bytheway: You mean Gentoo-wise? |
| 04:54.58 | emcnabb | sjansen, why do you hate me so? :-( |
| 04:55.07 | sjansen | Over all, I expect few. devfs never really caught on. |
| 04:55.13 | emcnabb | bytheway, it works really well (with devfs) |
| 04:55.38 | emcnabb | look at the gentoo ebuild for 2.6-test11 |
| 04:55.49 | emcnabb | it has a few suggestions in there of things you need to enable |
| 04:56.00 | sjansen | emcnabb: You know why. You started it, you fiend. |
| 04:56.07 | emcnabb | never! |
| 04:56.17 | emcnabb | sjansen, I am always sweet |
| 04:56.19 | sjansen | ~emcnabb |
| 04:56.20 | | emcnabb is probably Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. the owner of blinky |
| 04:56.34 | sjansen | ibot doesn't seem to think so |
| 04:56.36 | | sjansen: wish i knew |
| 04:57.08 | emcnabb | I don't own blinky any more |
| 04:58.40 | sjansen | But you don't contest the other points? |
| 04:58.56 | emcnabb | um... no... I mean yes1 |
| 04:58.57 | emcnabb | ! |
| 04:59.30 | sjansen | emcnabb is also A man un-ashamed of his behavior. |
| 04:59.45 | emcnabb | yeah, that's a good description |
| 05:00.22 | sjansen | Hanuman: Looks like you need to fix that. |
| 05:01.19 | Hanuman | yup |
| 05:02.15 | Hanuman | well, the nick is right |
| 05:02.39 | Hanuman | it basically gets whatever is after the ! |
| 05:02.48 | Hanuman | !pepsi |
| 05:03.07 | sjansen | !pop |
| 05:03.16 | sjansen | !coke |
| 05:03.28 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl isn't as smart as ibot |
| 05:03.39 | Hanuman | !ice cream |
| 05:03.39 | sjansen | Just wanted to make sure he wasn't southern. |
| 05:04.09 | Hanuman | No - he's from Texas, though |
| 05:04.21 | Hanuman | They don't call themselves southerners |
| 05:04.47 | jakea | hmmmm |
| 05:04.50 | sjansen | Teach \usr\bin\perl that when someone asks for a soda, he should suggest pop instead. |
| 05:05.12 | Hanuman | just a sec... |
| 05:05.38 | jakea | ! |
| 05:06.13 | sjansen | What's up with the <%) ? |
| 05:08.01 | Moeser | !sandwich |
| 05:08.12 | Moeser | !a sandwich |
| 05:08.16 | Moeser | heh |
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| 05:11.46 | Hanuman | !soda |
| 05:12.03 | Hanuman | hmmm... |
| 05:12.23 | Hanuman | !pop |
| 05:14.25 | sjansen | !soda |
| 05:14.45 | fozzmoo | !a woody |
| 05:15.05 | Hanuman | !soda |
| 05:15.19 | fozzmoo | The Toy Story doll, of course. |
| 05:15.40 | Hanuman | !Hanuman |
| 05:15.40 | \usr\bin\perl | get yourself? |
| 05:16.28 | sjansen | !emcnabb in trouble for submitting SCO code to the kernel |
| 05:16.46 | sjansen | bah |
| 05:17.17 | emcnabb | hahaha! |
| 05:17.22 | emcnabb | I win sjansen! |
| 05:17.53 | Hanuman | ok - I'm not a bot anymore |
| 05:17.57 | sjansen | http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=97341 - A bad day waiting to happen. |
| 05:18.10 | Hanuman | ^sue sjansen |
| 05:18.21 | Hanuman | someday I need to make that one smarter |
| 05:18.35 | sjansen | Ha! SCObot accomplishes nothing. I haven't used Windows for years. |
| 05:18.47 | emcnabb | http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/7478125.htm |
| 05:18.52 | emcnabb | this is great |
| 05:20.44 | Hanuman | !soda |
| 05:21.03 | Hanuman | it's supposed to lart me afterwards - oh well - I'm too tired to fix it |
| 05:21.46 | sjansen | Keyboard Korner called the Association of Technical Support Personnel Who Actually Understand Computers, where, after a brief wait, we were connected with a cheerful, knowledgeable and sympathetic recorded message informing us that we would be kept on hold until the sun was a cold dark cinder the size of a walnut. |
| 05:22.05 | spr5 | I'm still on hold |
| 05:22.05 | sjansen | So very true. |
| 05:28.38 | Mecworks | SLLUG was good. |
| 05:31.41 | Mecworks | Hm. I live in Orem. Jayce^ was there too plus Ed Orcutt (alpine). There's a few of us there. |
| 05:32.33 | sjansen | Yeah, but an hour is too long to drive to hear about mysql. |
| 05:32.53 | sjansen | And besides, Jayce^ is always looking for a reason to get out of the house and goof off. |
| 05:33.09 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 05:33.53 | sjansen | Now had it bean postgesql... |
| 05:34.36 | emcnabb | if only it weren't during finals week... :-( |
| 05:34.47 | Mecworks | Well, it's official, 2.6.0 is out and about. |
| 05:35.27 | Mecworks | Yea, with LOTR and finals we did pretty good getting 45 - 50 there. |
| 05:36.03 | emcnabb | I've compiled 2.6 |
| 05:36.10 | sjansen | The attendance at SLLUG meetings compared to the traffic on the list (until recently) amazes me. |
| 05:36.13 | Mecworks | nice! |
| 05:36.41 | Mecworks | Anyone know if a 2.6 can be dropped in place on a 2.4 system? Any problems doing that? |
| 05:36.48 | Jayce^ | actually, I enjoy staying at home.. I'm a loner.. dont' get out much :) |
| 05:37.12 | emcnabb | here it goes! brb |
| 05:37.24 | sjansen | Coulda surprised me based on the number of losers you know. |
| 05:37.25 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you recovered yet? |
| 05:37.29 | sjansen | s/losers/geeks/ |
| 05:37.37 | Jayce^ | yes, I do know you pretty well :) |
| 05:38.40 | sjansen | Well... mostly. Slept until ~12:30. About to go to bed any minute now. |
| 05:38.40 | Jayce^ | man, woulda been nice to sleep that long |
| 05:38.47 | Jayce^ | so what did you think of it? |
| 05:38.51 | Mecworks | sjansen: So, the attendance supprizes you because it's lower than what you would expect for the ammoutn of traffic or traffic is higher for such a low turnout? |
| 05:39.13 | sjansen | High turnout, non-existent traffic until recently. |
| 05:39.36 | Jayce^ | no kidding, wierd having sllug list traffic |
| 05:39.50 | Mecworks | Yea. I think the list is finaly comming into it's own. We've always had good turnout even without good annoucnements. |
| 05:40.05 | Mecworks | It's good it's finaly taking off I think. |
| 05:40.41 | fozzmoo | We should work on get Momjian out here. |
| 05:40.47 | sjansen | I just can't bring myself to terms with it. It doesn't seem like the same SLLUG list. Sure, there's still ACM postings and such, but lately it's been starting to look like... a LUG. |
| 05:41.29 | sjansen | Even got some good, pointless flaming recently. |
| 05:41.30 | fozzmoo | I've thought a few times in the last couple months that it would be good to have a regional LUG... |
| 05:41.40 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, plug is the exact opposite |
| 05:41.41 | Mecworks | I think there was a feeling that we didn't talk much because the officers didn't say much. We have a policy of letting people do what they want (no bias from the officers towars or away from any distro or product, expecialy if we worked for a Linux company, we really try to not wear that hat during our sllug duties). |
| 05:42.02 | fozzmoo | Man. USU/FSLC is not that way at all |
| 05:42.19 | fozzmoo | They don't try at all to hide their bias toward Debian/Python/Vim/etc. |
| 05:42.26 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, did we talk to you about the utosc? |
| 05:42.31 | fozzmoo | Nope. |
| 05:42.35 | fozzmoo | You stealing my idea? |
| 05:42.42 | fozzmoo | Giving it a name!? |
| 05:42.47 | fozzmoo | You BIG MEANIE! |
| 05:43.21 | fozzmoo | Well, WTH is it? |
| 05:43.22 | Mecworks | I mean, as officers. I think the members should feel free to express their oppinions but I thikn the officers actions rubbed off on the group. |
| 05:44.06 | sjansen | No, it's being forced on us. SCO wants us to acknowledge their contributions, Jayce^ just mis-spelled it. You know how it is since you're in the FS(G)LC. |
| 05:44.11 | Mecworks | But with a _much_ improved site and a better list system (mailman) with archives, I think that has helped a lot. |
| 05:46.27 | Mecworks | UTOSC == "Utah OpenSource Coalition" Basicaly an infrastructure to promote sharing and coordinattion of activities of the different LUGs in Utah. |
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| 05:46.42 | emcnabb | 2.6.0 works like a charm! |
| 05:47.01 | emcnabb | of course I have been running 2.6.0-test11 :-) |
| 05:47.01 | Mecworks | It consits of one maling list. (I like it simple but effective like that). |
| 05:47.29 | sjansen | emcnabb: Have you had any problems with 2.6 saying "not enough ptys" when you open gnome-terminal? |
| 05:48.08 | sjansen | Mecworks: Oh, does UTOSC exist as an organization w/ a list already? Open to one and all? |
| 05:48.18 | emcnabb | I don't use gnome-terminal but I have been getting: mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty' |
| 05:48.51 | emcnabb | it looks like gentoo is remounting /dev/tty stuff twice |
| 05:48.56 | emcnabb | can't figure it out |
| 05:49.03 | emcnabb | it doesn't do anything though |
| 05:49.14 | Mecworks | it's set up for the leadership of the various LUGs in UT. All presidents. etc are encouraged to join the list. We just havnt been affective in getting the word out. |
| 05:49.31 | fozzmoo | Yep. It sounds like you stole my idea. |
| 05:49.37 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 05:49.39 | fozzmoo | I don't know how, but this was my thing. I'm sueing. |
| 05:49.43 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 05:49.57 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 05:50.59 | Mecworks | I think it's important that everyone know that it's more a coordination thing than anything else. No "Umprella" organization or anything that would disolve the soveriengcy of the LUGs. |
| 05:51.37 | fozzmoo | FSLC has been having a lot of trouble organizing another Forum like they did when they had Stallman and Perens come to down. |
| 05:52.03 | fozzmoo | Part of it is lack of organization (it's apparently hard for college students to put together technical conferences while also attending courses in computer science and the like) |
| 05:52.09 | Mecworks | There are many activities such as the MySQL rep that spoke tonight, the Erik Raymond and ESR events that would really benifit byt having the LUG leaderships coordinate. |
| 05:52.22 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 05:52.44 | fozzmoo | But I think it's partly because the founding leaders of FSLC have since graduated and moved on. |
| 05:52.58 | fozzmoo | And, in a way, they are shunned by the active leadership because they're not students anymore. |
| 05:53.13 | fozzmoo | That's where SLLUG and PLUG have an advantage over the school-based groups. |
| 05:53.26 | Mecworks | The list is set up on orcutt.org untill things get a little more settled. LUG leaderships sould send requests for subcription to edo@orcutt.org or utsoc@orcutt.org. |
| 05:54.02 | emcnabb | I have a question for all you married people: So, I'm very single, but I'm actually starting to date. I'm worried though that she will never let me play anymore (on the computer); the people on #utah are some of the most hard core geeks around; how do your significant others handle your geekdom? |
| 05:54.02 | fozzmoo | But anyway- I was talking to some people about how much easier it would be to organize a Free Software Forum if (a) there was active participation from multiple regional LUGs and (b) it were held in SLC. |
| 05:54.15 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: My wife is a CS graduate. :) |
| 05:54.28 | emcnabb | fozzmoo, haha, that helps! |
| 05:54.43 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, it's all about having a wife that understands the interests.. |
| 05:54.51 | emcnabb | Jayce^, true |
| 05:55.05 | emcnabb | this girl let me install Linux on her computer! |
| 05:55.05 | Jayce^ | besides, my wife knows I'm easier to get along with if I can get the rage out in a lan party every once and a while |
| 05:55.16 | emcnabb | and she now understands twisted pair and TCP/IP |
| 05:55.16 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, that's a keeper :p |
| 05:55.20 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 05:55.21 | emcnabb | haha |
| 05:55.42 | Mecworks | I think we were all thinking the same thing. It's about time to start the coordination. We've all expressed similar thoughts. Yet there has been some concern that this should not take from the individual groups or disolve their sovereingty. But be a coordination and help resource to local groups. |
| 05:55.46 | fozzmoo | I was talking to one of my geek friends today and he told me he couldn't get his wife to go to LoTR:RoTK. |
| 05:55.48 | fozzmoo | I asked why... |
| 05:55.59 | fozzmoo | and he said, "Because she doesn't like Sci-fi or fantasy." |
| 05:56.07 | fozzmoo | I don't know if I could live in a relationship like that! |
| 05:56.10 | Moeser | hahaha |
| 05:56.26 | Jayce^ | my wife wouldn't let me go to trilogy tuesday unless she had a ticket too |
| 05:56.35 | emcnabb | I have a friend who got married to a really restrictive person; she gives him about 2-3 hrs a week of play time! he has really fallen behind technically over the last 2 years :-( |
| 05:56.48 | fozzmoo | My wife wouldn't let me get us both tickets to trilogy tuesday because tuesday was our anniversary. :) |
| 05:56.50 | Jayce^ | she's not into that much fantasy, but I got her addicted to lotr |
| 05:57.02 | emcnabb | fozzmoo, haha |
| 05:57.16 | fozzmoo | "I don't want to spend 12 hours in a theater on our anniversary." |
| 05:57.19 | emcnabb | Jayce^, that's a good idea; get her hooked on everything too |
| 05:57.20 | sjansen | Jayce^: Use the one key. (Delete) |
| 05:57.22 | Moeser | "im sorry baby, you'll have to take a walk, youre smart, youre good looking, and youre rich, but you don't like hobbits... so its time you left" |
| 05:57.57 | fozzmoo | I have friends who are in restrictive relationships too. I don't know how they do it. |
| 05:58.14 | fozzmoo | It's always been important to me that my SO respects my interest and hobbies. |
| 05:58.23 | fozzmoo | And it's always been important to me to pay her the same respect. |
| 05:58.35 | Mecworks | I agree. |
| 05:58.38 | sjansen | I'm going to have to agree with fozzmoo here. She doesn't have to be a geek, but she better respect it. |
| 05:59.04 | emcnabb | yeah, this girl is really cool about my interests |
| 05:59.23 | Moeser | what if her hobby included feeding you 2 year old moldy cheese... would you still support her hobby and eat the cheese? |
| 05:59.36 | emcnabb | she actually learns when I talk to her (not just in one ear and out the other) and asks questions; kind of cool |
| 06:00.04 | emcnabb | Moeser, some types of old cheese are worth a lot ;-) |
| 06:00.07 | sjansen | She's capable of learning, and still hangs out with you? |
| 06:00.07 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that's how mine is.. very non-geek (except now for lotr, but that happened after the marriage) |
| 06:00.19 | Moeser | emcnabb: the moldy kind? ;) |
| 06:00.33 | emcnabb | if you cut off the outside :-) |
| 06:00.33 | emcnabb | the mold that is |
| 06:00.39 | Moeser | hahaha |
| 06:00.43 | Moeser | mmmmm extra cheesy |
| 06:00.48 | sjansen | Moeser: The example is lousy. Fantasy never made anyone sick. |
| 06:00.53 | Moeser | hahaha |
| 06:01.02 | Moeser | i dunno, i get sick about romance books a lot |
| 06:01.10 | Moeser | fabio *puke* *puke* |
| 06:01.10 | emcnabb | sjansen, yes, she does learn with me; of course I could tell her completely wrong things and she would never know |
| 06:01.11 | sjansen | Well, maybe it does now that I think about it. |
| 06:04.12 | Mecworks | <gasp> |
| 06:04.32 | brailsmt | sjansen: a happily married one... |
| 06:04.45 | Mecworks | well...there's somthing. 8^) |
| 06:04.58 | Moeser | heh |
| 06:05.02 | emcnabb | sjansen, any special someones out there? |
| 06:05.19 | sjansen | Actually, having attended the trilogy I can safely say it was a once in a lifetime experience.... I'm never doing it again. |
| 06:05.40 | Moeser | oh? |
| 06:05.45 | emcnabb | long? |
| 06:05.45 | sjansen | emcnabb: You offering? |
| 06:05.47 | Moeser | not enough time for bathroom breaks? |
| 06:05.52 | emcnabb | sjansen, nope |
| 06:05.58 | Mecworks | Unfortunately I was unable to attend the trillogy. I'll be going this friday to RoTK though. |
| 06:06.19 | brailsmt | and *my* hobbies and *my* interests were important until *I* got married, then _our_ interests and _our_ hobbies became just as important, and her hobbies and interests are just as important as mine, and if she is interested in spending time with me, then I can forego things as trivial as trilogy tuesday... (even though she didn't say she didn't want me to go...) |
| 06:06.34 | sjansen | Breaks were too long. Sitting outside in below freezing weather overnight stinks. The theater was disorganized and did a poor job of communicating. |
| 06:06.41 | fozzmoo | That sucks. |
| 06:06.55 | fozzmoo | Hence my "Brrrrr" comment in e-mail. :) |
| 06:07.40 | Bradipo | Mecworks: Do you know if there will be another back-to-back showing? |
| 06:07.50 | fozzmoo | When the extended edition of RoTK comes out on DVD, you're all invited over to my place for Trilogy Tuesday. :) |
| 06:08.01 | sjansen | I try not to think about lost wages and such. While I generally enjoyed it, I don't think the full price was worth it. |
| 06:08.01 | fozzmoo | Hopefully by then I'll have my home theater done. |
| 06:08.05 | emcnabb | brailsmt, I guess if you respect her interests she'll do the same to you |
| 06:08.17 | brailsmt | bingo |
| 06:08.18 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Yeah- if she's cool. |
| 06:08.31 | fozzmoo | Some women are... well, bitches. |
| 06:08.45 | emcnabb | fozzmoo, VERY TRUE |
| 06:08.48 | fozzmoo | Figure that out BEFORE you marry them. :) |
| 06:08.50 | sjansen | So are some guys. |
| 06:08.54 | fozzmoo | uh huh. |
| 06:09.07 | Moeser | you sure you have enough room on your couch for trilogy tuesday? |
| 06:09.27 | fozzmoo | I dunno. You're welcome to line up outside my house the night before. |
| 06:09.35 | Moeser | hahaha |
| 06:09.35 | brailsmt | lol |
| 06:09.41 | emcnabb | sjansen, guys aren't refered to by that same term :-) |
| 06:09.52 | fozzmoo | In prison, they are. |
| 06:10.26 | fozzmoo | But that's not important. |
| 06:11.33 | sjansen | emcnabb: Demonstrating my point. The best we've got is "jerks" because it's more socially acceptable for guys to be controlling. |
| 06:11.46 | emcnabb | sjansen, true |
| 06:13.17 | fozzmoo | Time for me to go watch another episode on the Buffy season five DVDs. :) |
| 06:14.44 | emcnabb | fozzmoo, spamassasin is working great for me with bayesian filters |
| 06:14.56 | Moeser | to compile 2.6 or to study... |
| 06:15.05 | Mecworks | Bradipo: I'm not sure. I have watched my DVDs though. |
| 06:17.22 | torriem | So I hate to go off the topic, but do any of you have any favorite memory leak detection tools? |
| 06:18.02 | emcnabb | seg fault |
| 06:18.03 | emcnabb | that's what I use |
| 06:18.16 | sjansen | Moeser: Compile 2.6 on a 486, it'll give you plenty of time to study. |
| 06:18.23 | torriem | But my program doesn't seg fault. It runs fine. |
| 06:18.25 | torriem | Just leaks |
| 06:18.41 | torriem | (Electric Fence isn't what I want either) |
| 06:19.05 | Moeser | heh, but my 486 is so slow... i don't need the whole semester to study, just one night ;) |
| 06:19.34 | sjansen | Bring it up on PLUG. IIRC, the old plug president was thinking about starting a company with a memory debugging program. I'm sure he has a strong, informed opinion. |
| 06:19.57 | Jayce^ | yeah, thayne |
| 06:20.40 | sjansen | Thanks. I was blanking on the name. |
| 06:21.36 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 06:21.38 | Mecworks | torriem: valgrind |
| 06:21.39 | sjansen | G'night all. |
| 06:21.44 | emcnabb | question |
| 06:21.54 | emcnabb | is there any way to have spell checking in xhcat |
| 06:21.57 | emcnabb | xchat |
| 06:22.00 | emcnabb | like gaim has |
| 06:22.07 | emcnabb | where it highlights it for you |
| 06:22.29 | sjansen | emcnabb: Looks like you've found your next patch. ;-) |
| 06:22.30 | Mecworks | kno thre isnt' |
| 06:23.03 | Moeser | would be neat though wouldn't it |
| 06:23.24 | brailsmt | lint is good for finding errors in code that lead to memory leaks, but it only works for C |
| 06:23.28 | Moeser | you could always rig a /dictionary command to look up a word :P |
| 06:24.43 | brailsmt | i used lint and it found some errors that when fixed solved my memory leaking problem... |
| 06:24.55 | torriem | Mecworks: have you used valgrind ? |
| 06:25.28 | emcnabb | I install valgrind on the CS workstations last week |
| 06:25.37 | brailsmt | oh yeah, and the errors were not found wit valgrind... |
| 06:25.44 | torriem | It actually is a complete cpu emulator |
| 06:25.44 | emcnabb | well, it's on the image ready to get blasted out |
| 06:25.53 | Mecworks | Yea, memory profiler |
| 06:26.04 | torriem | Does it tell you which subroutines leaked? |
| 06:26.34 | brailsmt | torriem: it will stop the program execution and start gdb for you... |
| 06:26.37 | brailsmt | good enough :) |
| 06:26.46 | torriem | and can it do it on the fly? My program never ends. |
| 06:26.49 | Mecworks | http://valgrind.kde.org/ |
| 06:26.52 | Mecworks | yes |
| 06:26.52 | torriem | It's a server loop |
| 06:27.05 | torriem | I have it installed, but haven't figured out how to use it yet |
| 06:27.14 | Mecworks | you need to compile your program against its libs I beleive. |
| 06:27.24 | torriem | Oh |
| 06:27.53 | torriem | I've been using memprof (which is nice) but it's not working for me right now. |
| 06:27.59 | brailsmt | no, i don't think you have to use any valgrind libs... |
| 06:28.28 | torriem | I think it preloads, loading in place of the normal malloc routines |
| 06:28.54 | Mecworks | Yea, maybe you just have to set a ld_preload |
| 06:32.36 | Mecworks | Nope. yuou don't even have to do that, All you do is run the program in valgrind like strace. $> valgrind program |
| 06:34.30 | Mecworks | http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/docs-2.0.0/coregrind_core.html |
| 06:37.27 | torriem | Hmm. Yeah. I remember why I didn't use valgrind. It crashes with a unhandled syscall: 7 error |
| 06:38.04 | torriem | Basically my program spawns another program and reads its output. I guess valgrind can't handle that yet |
| 06:38.25 | emcnabb | night all |
| 06:38.30 | torriem | nighty |
| 06:55.17 | torriem | darn it. Having no luck with valgrind. tried the latest version, but it spits out the invocation stuff, and then won't run my program at all. Hit ctrl-c, and it spits out the ending data (which is nothing) |
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| 14:28.02 | hans | now that was wholly unfair. the bus came a full 2 minutes early |
| 14:28.10 | hans | (it takes me 1 minute to walk from my house to the stop) |
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| 14:58.42 | hans | ati radeon 7000 or GeForce2 MX400? |
| 15:15.59 | Hanuman | radeon, definitely |
| 15:16.25 | Hanuman | there are many more open-drivers for the radeon than there are for the geforce |
| 15:16.44 | Hanuman | besides that I'm biased |
| 15:16.57 | Hanuman | but go for the AIW if you get the radeon |
| 15:18.41 | byron | how well do the AIW's work in linux these days? |
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| 15:59.44 | Jayce^ | does the mx allow dual head (some do) |
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| 16:31.05 | Hanuman | wasn't someone's b-day today? |
| 16:31.37 | Tenebram | Yeah, mine! Give me STUFF! |
| 16:32.12 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday to you!o/~ |
| 16:32.15 | Tenebram | Yay! |
| 16:32.27 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday to you!o/~ |
| 16:32.32 | Tenebram | Well, I lied, it's not actually my birthday... |
| 16:32.51 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday lart Tenebram...o/~ |
| 16:33.03 | Hanuman | ~lart Tenebram to you! |
| 16:33.11 | Tenebram | Ack! |
| 16:33.36 | Hanuman | I guess it could go... |
| 16:33.50 | Hanuman | nm - didn't work |
| 16:33.53 | Tenebram | My birthday's six months and seven days from today |
| 16:34.00 | Hanuman | !soda |
| 16:35.24 | jsmith | Hanuman: Right! In Mississippi, it's all "Co[ca]Cola"... even if it's a Sprite or a Root Beer |
| 16:40.23 | sjansen | Hanuman: You're going to have to teach ibot that one too. |
| 16:41.04 | Tenebram | what if they call cocaine "coke"? |
| 16:41.39 | sjansen | Cocaine isn't pop, is it? |
| 16:41.50 | Tenebram | not usually |
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| 16:42.03 | Tenebram | It's not soda either. |
| 16:46.10 | Tenebram | I barely ever have to deal with names and such, not liking carbonated beverages. |
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| 16:49.05 | hans | Jayce^: I'll have to look about the dual head stuff. |
| 16:49.15 | hans | Jayce^: what card were you talking about selling? still selling? |
| 16:49.18 | Jayce^ | just see if it has a vga out, and a dvi out |
| 16:49.30 | Hanuman | sjansen: I'll try to add that one in |
| 16:51.10 | Hanuman | I hate people that don't set their mail to send out as plain text when they use Outlook. When you reply in another Outlook client even if you have set it to use the "> " prefix, it still uses that darn blue line to specify the original text, making it impossible to not top-post. |
| 16:51.21 | Hanuman | (I'm referring to Kyle in this instance) |
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| 16:51.44 | hans | looks like just one |
| 16:51.58 | Jayce^ | k9, so only supports a single monitor |
| 16:52.13 | hans | the radeon has a tv out (s-video+composite) |
| 16:52.15 | jakea | what they.... |
| 16:52.18 | jakea | -y |
| 16:52.27 | jakea | oh look, I have two x-chats running |
| 16:53.03 | Hanuman | aiw has a tuner - latest ones have a radio tuner |
| 16:53.16 | hans | here's a radeon with vga out+dvi+tv-out (s-video) |
| 16:53.21 | hans | what's the dvi out do? |
| 16:53.36 | Hanuman | lets you use dvi ;-) |
| 16:53.53 | hans | ok, then what is that? I thought it was a file format |
| 16:54.10 | Hanuman | digital video interface? |
| 16:54.43 | hans | i don't have a new-fangled monitor, would I still be able to do dual head with such a card? |
| 16:54.44 | Tenebram | dvi's a connection for LCDs, I believe |
| 16:54.48 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:54.58 | Jayce^ | dvi is a file format too... |
| 16:55.06 | Tenebram | you're a file format as well |
| 16:56.10 | Tenebram | hans, monitor doesn't matter at all with multi-head |
| 16:56.45 | hans | Tenebram: unless it doesn't have a dvi connection... |
| 16:57.03 | hans | no matter really though, since I can just have two video cards. |
| 16:57.19 | Tenebram | you can get a dvi-[whatever-you-call-the-connection-to-a-crt] adapter |
| 16:57.44 | hans | ah good. that was what I wondered |
| 16:57.44 | Tenebram | most video cards with a dvi port come with one |
| 16:58.31 | Jayce^ | unless you buy it at ebc :) |
| 16:58.44 | Tenebram | Yeah, but who would do that? |
| 16:58.58 | Hanuman | hans: I taught your brother some mod_perl last night |
| 16:59.17 | hans | Jayce^: so are you still looking to sell a video card? |
| 16:59.18 | Hanuman | taught him how to use the TransHandler |
| 16:59.48 | Jayce^ | hans, probably could.. I have a couple sitting around.. but that mx is better than the ones I have.. |
| 17:00.14 | Tenebram | I'm still using an old matro |
| 17:00.17 | Tenebram | matrox, even |
| 17:00.32 | hans | none of the geforce's in this price range really seem to compare with the radeons |
| 17:00.48 | hans | (feature wise. maybe a gamer would care...) |
| 17:00.56 | Hanuman | meaning radeons are better or worse? |
| 17:01.33 | hans | better |
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| 17:02.08 | hans | tom's hardware has the radeon 7000 and geforce2 mx400 about the same performance (geforce outperforming by a margin on most things) |
| 17:02.22 | Hanuman | ati is even starting to write their own drivers for the radeon - could be a good or bad thing depending on your perspective |
| 17:02.23 | hans | but these radeons (newegg) have cool things like tv out and vga+dvi (or all three) |
| 17:02.34 | Jayce^ | a lot of mx have that.. |
| 17:02.37 | hans | plus ati's drivers are open |
| 17:02.37 | Jayce^ | just not yours :) |
| 17:02.43 | jakea | hans: are you one of those people that is writing hate email to the movie reviewer of Deseret News for giving RotK 3.5/4 stars? |
| 17:02.51 | Hanuman | hans: that's the bad thing about ati developing their own |
| 17:02.57 | Hanuman | but for now they're open |
| 17:02.59 | hans | Jayce^: there's like 10 cards in this price range with the geforce2 mx400 chipset. none with dual or tvout |
| 17:03.04 | hans | or dvi |
| 17:03.28 | Jayce^ | really? HarleyPig used to have one I know.. |
| 17:03.30 | hans | jakea: I don't even bother to read reviews, let alone write hate mail. I loved the movie though |
| 17:03.40 | hans | Jayce^: as the price goes up they start appearing |
| 17:03.52 | hans | my ceiling is $40. I should stick to $35 |
| 17:04.05 | Hanuman | does nvidia have a trade-up program? |
| 17:04.16 | Jayce^ | heh... |
| 17:04.20 | Hanuman | ati will allow you to trade-up many of your old cards |
| 17:04.29 | hans | looking at |
| 17:04.31 | Hanuman | also, ati has a 5-year, excellent warranty |
| 17:04.36 | jakea | hans: evidently the reviewer is getting hate email of people threatening to unsubscribe if he doesn't change it. I thought that was a little overboard |
| 17:04.39 | Jayce^ | I have a tnt2 32 mb, but it doesn't have tv-out (and was pre-dvi) |
| 17:04.47 | Jayce^ | and a tnt2 vanta 16mb w/ tv-out |
| 17:04.54 | Hanuman | I fried mine w/ a sautering iron (completely my fault), and they replaced it no questions asked |
| 17:04.58 | jakea | I just knew you were a big fan... |
| 17:05.00 | Bradipo | 3.5/4 is bad or good according to these freaks? |
| 17:05.03 | hans | won't use tv-out in the near future |
| 17:05.05 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 17:05.09 | jakea | bad |
| 17:05.19 | fozzmoo | They want 10/4 |
| 17:05.34 | hans | Jayce^: how much do you want for the tnt2? |
| 17:05.39 | Jayce^ | dunno yet.. |
| 17:05.46 | hans | soldering iron, maybe |
| 17:05.46 | Jayce^ | not worth all that much anymore.. |
| 17:05.48 | Hanuman | sjansen: I pushed too hard when putting it in the pci slot - broke off a chip |
| 17:05.54 | Jayce^ | both are agp |
| 17:06.00 | sjansen | RoTK was definetly the weakest of the three. And if you don't like battle scenes... |
| 17:06.03 | Hanuman | sorry - soldering iron |
| 17:06.07 | fozzmoo | TNT2's probably worth at least $5. |
| 17:06.27 | hans | it had some awesome effects though. |
| 17:06.35 | Jayce^ | beautiful battle scenes.. |
| 17:06.47 | fozzmoo | Just keep pouring the spoilers. |
| 17:06.59 | hans | it's a double-edged sword. reading the books is hard to imagine the battles. showing on screen you get the imagery but it's hard to get the deep story |
| 17:07.02 | hans | and dialogue |
| 17:07.14 | Bradipo | Anyone know how much additional footage there is for the extended? |
| 17:07.29 | Bradipo | I heard or read that there would be 1 1/2 hours extension. |
| 17:07.38 | hans | that would be excellent |
| 17:07.43 | Jayce^ | they cut just under an hour out right before it was released.. that's just the cut's, not the extra stuff |
| 17:07.43 | hans | I sure hope so. no doubt they could. |
| 17:07.49 | hans | (material wise) |
| 17:07.57 | jakea | it could have been done as a mini series over the space of a month had had more depth methinks |
| 17:08.07 | jakea | course, then the budget would have been much smaller |
| 17:08.10 | Jayce^ | jakea, but not the money |
| 17:08.11 | Bradipo | jakea: I agree completely. |
| 17:08.27 | Bradipo | They should have made six 2--3 hour movies. |
| 17:08.37 | jakea | ya think |
| 17:08.41 | sjansen | If Bradipo is right... |
| 17:08.49 | Hanuman | plus a new sequel that Peter Jackson writes himself... |
| 17:09.15 | jakea | LotR super dooper uber plantinum special directors edition |
| 17:10.27 | jakea | I was really upset with the first one when we got the DVD, only to find basically an ad on the DVD for a Special edition coming out later |
| 17:10.33 | hans | lol. you can only get so far with movies. I think the best part about the movies is the imagery, the excitement, the music, the characters. It supports the books |
| 17:10.36 | sjansen | Arawynn vs. Eowynn in a fight to the death for Aragorn. (Increased appeal to both males and females.) |
| 17:10.51 | Bradipo | Arwen and Eowyn. :-) |
| 17:10.57 | hans | but in the end the books really are it |
| 17:11.06 | Hanuman | girl fight! |
| 17:11.11 | Bradipo | hans: agreed. |
| 17:11.20 | Hanuman | that's what they used to shout in High School |
| 17:11.34 | hans | in that perspective, I have been very pleased with the movies |
| 17:11.38 | jakea | I think that is what put a bad taste in my mouth for the series because I realized it wasn't about the movies, it was how much crap they could sell you |
| 17:11.56 | Bradipo | Well, I'm not buying anything. |
| 17:12.00 | hans | Didn't like the faramir departure, nor leaving out the scouring. faramir in the extended is better, and the scouring is probably going to be in rotk extended. |
| 17:12.08 | sjansen | I haven't felt that. Sure, they're out to make a product, but how many would have had the guts to make each movie so long? |
| 17:12.10 | Bradipo | The books and the movies are all that I'll put money into. |
| 17:12.11 | Hanuman | put on by WB |
| 17:12.27 | sjansen | s/product/profit/ |
| 17:12.43 | Jayce^ | bonus feature in 2.6 - extended : How Linus escaped the Darlrog |
| 17:12.45 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:12.56 | fozzmoo | Hee! |
| 17:12.59 | Hanuman | lol |
| 17:13.31 | Jayce^ | that's from : http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89773&cid=7753716 |
| 17:13.34 | Jayce^ | good comment |
| 17:14.25 | hans | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-156-008&catalog=48&depa=1 |
| 17:14.34 | hans | that's the one I'm looking at. |
| 17:14.40 | Hanuman | maybe that's why BYU's CS alumni wouldn't approve my 1 paragraph entry in the CS alumni magazine for LDSOSS |
| 17:15.09 | Hanuman | In the end they finally changed their minds, but there were "certain" alumni definitely against open-source trying to keep it out of the newsletter |
| 17:15.24 | Tenebram | why? |
| 17:16.18 | Hanuman | They quoted things like "it competes with corporate interest" and "OSS is not the only source of virtue in the computing world" |
| 17:16.31 | Tenebram | ?? |
| 17:17.01 | Hanuman | That's what I said |
| 17:17.09 | Tenebram | but... nothing is the only source... |
| 17:17.24 | Tenebram | there usually is no only source of anything... |
| 17:17.35 | Hanuman | Like I said, at the last minute whoever edits that newsletter changed their mind and put in my entire paragraph, but there was certainly some disliking to it |
| 17:17.56 | Tenebram | That's just... odd... |
| 17:18.08 | Hanuman | Tenebram: and I don't know where they were claiming that - it wasn't even inferred in the article |
| 17:18.25 | sjansen | s/inferred/implied/ |
| 17:18.32 | Hanuman | We were just trying to advertise LDSOSS as a good place to use your time and talents |
| 17:18.33 | Tenebram | Oh, claiming that the article implied it |
| 17:18.43 | Hanuman | not the only place |
| 17:18.44 | sjansen | They obviously _inferred_ it. |
| 17:18.58 | Hanuman | sorry - implied |
| 17:19.07 | Tenebram | I thought you meant that they said that open source software shouldn't be mentioned because it's not the only source of virtue in the computing world |
| 17:19.55 | Jayce^ | LOTR:RotK --> Lord Of The Release:Release Of The Kernel |
| 17:19.58 | Tenebram | I don't bother being too strict with english grammar and spelling. English grammar and spelling rules are crap anyway. |
| 17:20.06 | Hanuman | Tenebram: no - they said the article on LDSOSS shouldn't be mentioned because of that |
| 17:20.21 | Tenebram | right, that makes a small bit more sense now |
| 17:20.25 | sjansen | Yeah, but certain ones must be obeyed to communicate sucessfully. Others must be known so you can enjoy breaking them. |
| 17:20.32 | Tenebram | but still, several question marks |
| 17:20.34 | Hanuman | When it's published I'll announce it to the list |
| 17:21.14 | Tenebram | Yeah, I understand, but when someone is getting their point across, I usually just let it slide. |
| 17:21.32 | Tenebram | It's a very irregular language |
| 17:23.04 | Hanuman | I just care that people understand me when I talk - I don't care how I say it |
| 17:23.23 | Hanuman | If everyone understood Thai I could make myself even more understood |
| 17:23.30 | Hanuman | mixing Thai and English |
| 17:24.30 | Tenebram | See, to me, a lot of it is simply meaningless convention |
| 17:24.42 | Hanuman | Tenebram: yeah - I was quite surprised by the response as well. Luckily, Dallan Quass was really fighting for us to get it in there and in the end finally got it. |
| 17:24.42 | Tenebram | and I hate the spelling and pronunciation rules |
| 17:25.13 | Tenebram | all the irregularity... |
| 17:26.10 | Hanuman | It's nice to have the CTO for the FH department on your side |
| 17:26.53 | Tenebram | I can imagine it would be |
| 17:28.07 | hans | Hanuman: I'm applying for the utah valley center. I think Dallin would recognize my name, but if you've got ins you could drop my name... :) |
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| 17:49.16 | sjansen | Along with a new mobo, cpu, and monitor |
| 17:50.17 | sjansen | And a powerbook. |
| 17:50.36 | jsmith | Powerbook would be nice... |
| 17:54.28 | hans | what's the deal with devfs in 2.6? someone says it's deprecated... what's the 'right' thing nowdays? |
| 17:54.30 | brailsmt | those six dollar burger are a freaking meal unto themselves... |
| 17:54.42 | jsmith | brailsmt: Exactly... |
| 17:55.37 | brailsmt | i have yet to finish a combo meal with one them... |
| 17:55.47 | brailsmt | i had the chili cheese six dollar burger last night :) |
| 17:56.03 | jsmith | me neither... I usually save the fries for an afternoon snack... |
| 17:56.10 | brailsmt | and I didn't need breakfast this morning... |
| 17:56.17 | jsmith | ... and if you get the criss-cut fries, they don't go soggy |
| 17:56.23 | brailsmt | and I probably won't need lunch either... |
| 17:57.45 | brailsmt | i need to get a Beto's bean and cheese burrito one last time before I leave... |
| 17:57.58 | brailsmt | 'cause i guarantee there isn't an equivalent in KCMO |
| 18:00.15 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, you got a rack for $40?! lucky @#$@# |
| 18:00.19 | brailsmt | ls |
| 18:03.13 | jsmith | No files left in this directory... they were eaten for lunch |
| 18:04.13 | sjansen | hans: Something very similar. Don't remember the name now. |
| 18:07.46 | Hanuman | That's good news that companies are saying applicants for their positions 2 months ago are no longer available. Haven't seen that in awhile. |
| 18:08.07 | Hanuman | PLUGlist is really making a turnaround in the job announcements |
| 18:08.13 | Jayce^ | yeah, quite nice |
| 18:10.13 | jsmith | Hanuman: And I'm thinking of looking in VA |
| 18:12.52 | Hanuman | jsmith: If I leave here you can always come take my job. You have to manage a Windows network, though |
| 18:13.02 | Hanuman | they are flexible for OSS if the opp comes, though |
| 18:13.18 | Hanuman | Windows is just what they were stuck with from the start |
| 18:14.00 | jsmith | Hanuman: You're a little farther south than I was hoping for... I'm hoping to find something in Fredericksburg/Manassas area |
| 18:15.09 | Hanuman | It's more expensive up there - make sure you get something that pays well...at least twice what you're getting paid in Utah |
| 18:15.24 | Hanuman | My parents live just north of Manassas |
| 18:15.36 | Hanuman | plus you have to deal w/ the traffic |
| 18:15.56 | Hanuman | although Fredericksburg/Manassas isn't too bad |
| 18:17.12 | jsmith | Hanuman: I have a free place to live if I move to Fredericksburg... the ancestral family home... |
| 18:18.41 | Hanuman | cool - then you're set - if it's ancestral it's probably worth quite a bit |
| 18:21.30 | jsmith | Uh, yeah... what do you think 400 acres just north of Fredericksburg are worth these days? |
| 18:22.23 | Hanuman | jsmith: wow - I bet your family has builders knocking on their doors all the time wanting that land |
| 18:22.46 | Hanuman | My parents live in a subdivision that used to be farmland several years ago |
| 18:23.14 | Hanuman | near I50 and I15 just west of Chantilly |
| 18:23.55 | jsmith | Hanuman: Yes... the farm across the street is getting turned into a subdivision... with 3 to 5 acre lots |
| 18:24.19 | Hanuman | lol - that's about what my parents' subdivision is |
| 18:24.21 | jsmith | My wife's family also has another 400 acre farm up in Faquier county... |
| 18:24.36 | Hanuman | wow - all great real estate to own these days |
| 18:24.37 | jsmith | They'll never sell the farm though... too much history |
| 18:24.54 | Hanuman | You ever been to Charlotesville? |
| 18:24.54 | jsmith | It's been in the family since the late 1700s... |
| 18:25.13 | jsmith | Hanuman: Sure... my father-in-law went to law school at UVA... |
| 18:25.20 | Hanuman | I'd love to live there someday - it is so beautiful there |
| 18:25.48 | Hanuman | If I had the MSSQLServer experience I have now I would have been working there today |
| 18:25.55 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 18:26.11 | Hanuman | (not that I'm proud of that) |
| 18:26.34 | Hanuman | another thing this company has been stuck with and can't seem to pull away from |
| 18:27.09 | Hanuman | If I get time over christmas I'm going to slowly start building them a Linux server, starting w/ an smtp gateway |
| 18:27.12 | jsmith | been there, done that... still have the T-shirt |
| 18:27.44 | Hanuman | How much do you think a pentium can handle w/ Linux installed on a 25-node network? |
| 18:27.54 | Hanuman | what's the max I could do with it? |
| 18:28.04 | Jayce^ | http://www.pvponline.com/ |
| 18:28.05 | Jayce^ | gotta read that one |
| 18:29.09 | Hanuman | lol - gotta remember to go to the bathroom before I go see it - I forgot last time |
| 18:30.10 | sjansen | Why's that? |
| 18:30.30 | Jayce^ | we used the popcorn bucket ;p |
| 18:30.47 | Hanuman | gross! |
| 18:31.14 | Hanuman | looks like butter, it's warm like butter... |
| 18:31.33 | Jayce^ | hehe.. the stand by our theater had the self-serve butter.. mmmmm |
| 18:31.47 | Hanuman | mmm...butter |
| 18:32.07 | Hanuman | just remind me not to have a bite of Jayce^'s popcorn next time I see a movie w/ him |
| 18:33.49 | tensai | Hanuman: what services does this pentium need to perform? |
| 18:39.33 | Hanuman | well, our current server manages a database, a web server, a mail server, a firewall and proxy, a file server, and is the PDC for our network - how much of that could a plain 'ol pentium handle on Linux? Just the mail server? |
| 18:40.13 | RyanE | how fast of a pentium? |
| 18:40.13 | RyanE | how much RAM? |
| 18:40.28 | Jayce^ | how many users |
| 18:40.34 | RyanE | p75 will do firewall well. |
| 18:40.41 | Jayce^ | as a mail server, what kind of disks |
| 18:41.09 | sjansen | Is there an equivalent of phpinfo() for mod_perl? |
| 18:42.07 | jakea | sjansen: Let me ask my perl expert friend on aim, he might now |
| 18:42.11 | jakea | know |
| 18:42.32 | Jayce^ | phpinfo? what does that function do exactly (forgot) |
| 18:42.37 | Hanuman | p166 maybe 64Mb RAM |
| 18:42.49 | Hanuman | IDE maybe < 10GB |
| 18:42.58 | Hanuman | probably <5Gb |
| 18:43.12 | tensai | our firewall is a p166 with ~170MB ram. it's a firewall/squid proxy/exim mail server |
| 18:43.12 | Hanuman | what is phpinfo()? |
| 18:43.49 | Hanuman | tensai: cool - maybe I'll start w/ that. Hopefully I'll have a better spare computer by the time I get around to making it do the other functions. |
| 18:43.51 | sjansen | Confirms PHP is working and displays configuration information. What modules are enabled, settings, etc. |
| 18:44.20 | jakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.22 | sjansen | It's a simple as creating a file that contains <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 18:44.31 | Jayce^ | sjansen, use server-status |
| 18:44.39 | jakea | that is what my buddy perl expert said |
| 18:44.59 | Jayce^ | dumping env isn't the same |
| 18:46.06 | Hanuman | I just run a script in my httpd.conf at apache startup that loads all the modules I want to use |
| 18:46.22 | Hanuman | as long as apache is able to start, all modules in that file have been loaded |
| 18:47.47 | Jayce^ | http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/debug.html#mod_status |
| 18:47.55 | Jayce^ | that one helps, but I know there is one for the modules. |
| 18:48.07 | Jayce^ | you can also use another module for tracing specific calls |
| 18:48.49 | Jayce^ | since different modules can be used at specific locations |
| 18:49.04 | Hanuman | I think I used mod_status a couple times at OGF |
| 18:49.12 | Hanuman | I've never needed it since, though |
| 18:49.26 | Jayce^ | it's good, but not quite what sjansen will want in that case |
| 18:50.20 | Jayce^ | that's why you lock it.. |
| 18:50.24 | Hanuman | I still hesitate |
| 18:50.37 | Hanuman | I'd rather a command-line tool that does the job |
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| 18:52.46 | Jayce^ | how's 2.6? |
| 18:52.50 | emcnabb | nice |
| 18:52.57 | emcnabb | I've been using it since last night |
| 18:53.08 | emcnabb | works just as well as 2.6-test11 :-) |
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| 18:54.19 | Hanuman | anything that I may notice that will make it any significantly better than the latest 2.4 that I'm running now? |
| 18:54.30 | Hanuman | Or mainly just more feature support? |
| 18:56.03 | Hanuman | ibot, sjansen is also flagellant |
| 18:56.07 | | Hanuman: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 18:56.07 | | Hanuman: are you using Windows? |
| 18:56.27 | Hanuman | sure - you won't let me lock mine but you'll let sjansen do it! |
| 18:56.39 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, come to the january plug meeting and find out :) |
| 18:56.43 | hans | ~mock hanuman :) |
| 18:56.55 | Hanuman | Jayce^: we'll hope for a job up there and maybe I'll be there |
| 18:56.59 | sjansen | Hanuman is also Tries to hijack sjansen's info. |
| 18:57.23 | Hanuman | I tried "/lock Hanuman" and it says I can't lock my nick |
| 18:57.39 | hans | Hanuman: because you're not l33t enough. plus you don't know where your towel is |
| 18:57.49 | Hanuman | :-p |
| 18:57.58 | hans | Jayce^: are you saying january's plug meeting is about 2.6? |
| 18:58.07 | Jayce^ | ayup |
| 18:58.16 | Jayce^ | and februaries is about mythtv |
| 18:58.17 | hans | col who? |
| 18:58.23 | Jayce^ | emcnabb :) |
| 18:58.24 | hans | s/o/oo/ |
| 18:58.36 | hans | the mighty patcher |
| 18:59.57 | Hanuman | Jayce^: mythtv is a really cool topic |
| 19:00.16 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, you should see brandons box |
| 19:02.04 | emcnabb | I'm no expert, but I like messing with it |
| 19:02.09 | emcnabb | (kernel that is) |
| 19:02.35 | Hanuman | emcnabb: is it worth me upgrading? |
| 19:03.01 | Jayce^ | that's what we'll discuss :) |
| 19:03.10 | Jayce^ | and we know you'll make the trip :) |
| 19:03.39 | Hanuman | Are you offering me a job? |
| 19:03.53 | emcnabb | I like it so far :-) |
| 19:04.49 | sjansen | Pick me! Pick me! |
| 19:05.37 | HarleyPig | Anyone help me with a procmail recipe? |
| 19:05.43 | sjansen | What'd you do that for? |
| 19:06.23 | Hanuman | you asked to be picked |
| 19:06.47 | Hanuman | sjansen: wasn't it you that was picky on the way things are spelled? |
| 19:07.12 | sjansen | My boss: "Thank goodness for CVS." A co-worker: "Saved my hide." |
| 19:07.15 | Hanuman | and giving me a hard time for improper use of terms |
| 19:07.22 | sjansen | It warms the heart to hear comments like that. |
| 19:07.49 | Hanuman | !a hot cocoa to warm sjansen's heart |
| 19:13.17 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, what do you need? |
| 19:13.29 | tensai | Hanuman: the only complaint I have about my firewall is that squid seems a little latent. I don't have another machine to compare to though so it could just be perceived. |
| 19:13.47 | HarleyPig | I've got the follwoing recipe: |
| 19:13.53 | Hanuman | tensai: could be worth a try, though - ISA server has so many problems |
| 19:14.04 | HarleyPig | :0: * ^Mailing-List:.*YoungFamily |
| 19:14.10 | HarleyPig | mboxes/YoungFamily |
| 19:14.23 | HarleyPig | and it's not saving those mails to that folder. |
| 19:14.31 | tensai | Hanuman: definitely worth a try. put it head to head with ISA server |
| 19:14.34 | Jayce^ | actual mbox, or maildir? |
| 19:14.39 | HarleyPig | Am I missing something stoopid, or is something wrong elsewhere. |
| 19:14.43 | Hanuman | yeah - might be interesting to compare |
| 19:14.48 | HarleyPig | actual mbox. |
| 19:14.49 | Jayce^ | and there is a newline in there? |
| 19:14.49 | tensai | Hanuman: do you do any sort of web filtering? |
| 19:14.58 | HarleyPig | Yeah. |
| 19:15.21 | Hanuman | tensai: not at the moment - I was thinking I probably don't even need squid at the moment - most could just be done w/ iptables |
| 19:15.35 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: what distro? |
| 19:15.45 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you have logging tuned on? maybe it's just not catching that regex? |
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| 19:16.35 | HarleyPig | No ... ok ... I see how ... |
| 19:16.54 | Hanuman | tensai: that's the thing I hate about ISA server - it doesn't separate the firewall from the proxy |
| 19:17.24 | HarleyPig | procmail: Skipped "Mailing" |
| 19:17.26 | tensai | Hanuman: yeah, you're right. we use squid mainly for squidguard. the cache doesn't really save many bytes. only 10-15% of our bytes are in the cache |
| 19:17.54 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: the reason I ask is in RedHat (dont' know what others) there's a master procmail.conf file and then user procmailrc files - I had a problem where it was going through the master but not the users |
| 19:18.10 | HarleyPig | procmail: Skipped: "-List: list YoungFamily@yahoogroups; contact NuttyFruity-owner@yahoogroups.com" |
| 19:18.26 | Hanuman | tensai: I imagine a cache isn't completely necessary on a 25-node network either |
| 19:19.03 | RyanE | however, caching DNS can speed stuff up a lot on a small-node network. |
| 19:19.20 | tensai | Hanuman: it does provide logs of all the places people go, though. that can be good or bad. |
| 19:19.30 | RyanE | I did that when I had slooow IDSL service, and it made web surfing a lot spiffier. |
| 19:19.59 | Hanuman | tensai: I can just use ethereal on that, though if I really need to - right now I don't have need for it, though |
| 19:20.08 | Hanuman | our CEO and President could care less |
| 19:20.47 | tensai | status request % Byte % sec kB/sec |
| 19:20.47 | tensai | --------------------------------- --------- ------ -------- ------ ---- ------- |
| 19:20.47 | tensai | HIT 14030 40.63 33007735 14.07 0 14.08 |
| 19:20.47 | tensai | MISS 20389 59.04 196754K 85.89 1 8.02 |
| 19:20.47 | tensai | ERROR 114 0.33 102611 0.04 33 0.03 |
| 19:20.47 | Hanuman | RyanE: caching DNS can just be done w/ bind, though can't it? |
| 19:20.59 | tensai | Hanuman: there's yesterday's cache report |
| 19:21.10 | RyanE | yes, but if you're doing squid, it can do both. |
| 19:21.33 | Hanuman | I'll have to try both - see which gives better results |
| 19:21.47 | tensai | Hanuman: my CEO does care |
| 19:22.12 | Hanuman | tensai: then it would be necessary |
| 19:23.12 | brailsmt | how do I close a split in screen? |
| 19:27.10 | synic | bleh... kernel 2.6 hates me |
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| 19:34.51 | bonez39 | hello hans. |
| 19:35.51 | sjansen | Apache::Status isn't as pretty as phpinfo(), but does basically the same thing. |
| 19:35.58 | hans_ | howdy |
| 19:39.19 | bonez39 | hans: know any good bread recipes? or are you keeping them as trade secrets? |
| 19:41.33 | bonez39 | hans: also...any ideas on that password....when trying to print from my windows box, to my deskjet printer..attached to the linux box |
| 19:41.46 | brailsmt | lol, moviemistakes.com just got /.'ed |
| 19:41.51 | Jayce^ | big time |
| 19:42.31 | brailsmt | i have tickets for monday at 4:15 in Idenpendence, MO.... |
| 19:42.38 | brailsmt | don't know if i can wait that long... |
| 19:43.01 | brailsmt | can you tell? |
| 19:43.24 | brailsmt | ROTK is great, but going to place you were born and raised after a 10 year hiatus is far more exciting... |
| 19:43.56 | brailsmt | but reading those blunders of ROTK makes me want to go see it... |
| 19:45.25 | hans | bonez39: I have some. sourdough? |
| 19:46.19 | sjansen | jakea: You on the UUG newbie list? |
| 19:46.31 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 19:46.35 | Jayce^ | mod_perl 2.. . |
| 20:06.21 | brailsmt | hey look, executable perl code... :) |
| 20:06.40 | Jayce^ | nah, look at the chunks.. gotta be ruby |
| 20:07.02 | brailsmt | how do I close a split in screen? |
| 20:07.06 | HarleyPig | :w |
| 20:07.28 | brailsmt | unkown command |
| 20:07.55 | HarleyPig | Uh ... wrong window (although that does close a split screen window in vim :) |
| 20:08.07 | Jayce^ | no, it just writes |
| 20:08.16 | HarleyPig | Uh ... yeah. |
| 20:08.22 | brailsmt | i was gonna say... not in my vim :) |
| 20:08.27 | HarleyPig | I know what I'm talking about. |
| 20:08.40 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig is talking out of his... umm |
| 20:09.05 | brailsmt | lol... |
| 20:10.39 | HarleyPig | brailsmt: Have you seen me? Do you know what I look like? |
| 20:11.09 | HarleyPig | harleypig.com has a picture of me with my family. |
| 20:11.51 | Jayce^ | rotk got the wednesday opening record |
| 20:13.11 | brailsmt | :D |
| 20:13.36 | Jayce^ | $8 million in midnight showings alone |
| 20:13.57 | HarleyPig | Ok ... now you got that picture in your head? Now imagine me with a leather butt thong! |
| 20:14.56 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, so, you like it more or less after the second time? |
| 20:15.13 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you need an ouchy picture of yourself :) |
| 20:15.24 | Jayce^ | that'd cause some heart attacks |
| 20:15.24 | brailsmt | LOL |
| 20:15.58 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... but Suzanne'd kill me if I wasted the money on that right now. Although, i could do a seductive pose for her... |
| 20:16.11 | HarleyPig | The poor photographer though... they'd need counseling. |
| 20:16.37 | neybar_work | the movie was still awesome. I saw it at Thanksgiving Point though, and that theater has the worst sound system I have ever had the displeasure of listening to. I am going to have to watch ROTK again to make up for the bad sound |
| 20:16.40 | HarleyPig | Put some make up on ... get my hair done ... all of it ... |
| 20:16.47 | RyanE | Harley: talk about off-topic... |
| 20:17.22 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, I have yet to hear someone who likes that theater |
| 20:17.26 | HarleyPig | ?! But ... but ... this is ... this is ... ME we're talking about! |
| 20:17.35 | HarleyPig | I'm always on topic. |
| 20:17.35 | RyanE | hehe |
| 20:17.36 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:17.45 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you're big enough to be on everything :) |
| 20:17.58 | HarleyPig | Hey now ... |
| 20:18.13 | brailsmt | lol |
| 20:18.51 | brailsmt | kinda cruel though Jayce^ |
| 20:18.57 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, just getting HarleyPig back :) |
| 20:19.03 | brailsmt | :D |
| 20:19.07 | Jayce^ | he'll get me even worse if he can |
| 20:19.23 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 20:19.34 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 20:19.54 | HarleyPig | brailsmt: I'll just go over and sunbathe on his front lawn. |
| 20:20.00 | brailsmt | int * b = NULL; *b = 4; |
| 20:20.15 | brailsmt | fail early and fail hard |
| 20:20.22 | brailsmt | though I guess I can't claim originality :) |
| 20:21.44 | hans | brailsmt: ok, sr. audiophile, tell me about computer speakers in the range of $30 |
| 20:22.02 | brailsmt | Altec Lansing is good for me... |
| 20:22.06 | brailsmt | at walmart |
| 20:22.13 | brailsmt | AltecLansing is a good brand |
| 20:22.21 | bonez39 | hans: yes, sourdough.. |
| 20:22.29 | brailsmt | there high end stuff is very good |
| 20:22.37 | sjansen | c'y'all |
| 20:23.00 | brailsmt | they run the price range gamut, from cheap to expensive... |
| 20:25.16 | brailsmt | i would stay away from logitech spkrs... |
| 20:27.50 | brailsmt | http://www.alteclansing.com/product_details.asp?pID=121&sID=2 <-- that is what I have |
| 20:28.12 | neybar_work | I don't know how much it is for a pair of the creative labs speakers, but I have been happy with mine |
| 20:31.00 | brailsmt | http://www.polkaudio.com/home/products.php?category=12&speaker=89&PHPSESSID=c1814a16b4087c690debd50ef6991dcb <-- me dreams |
| 20:32.21 | brailsmt | http://www.polkaudio.com/home/products.php?category=21&speaker=347 <-- /me keeps dreaming |
| 20:34.19 | brailsmt | dang you hans... got me dreaming about audio stuff again... |
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| 20:40.01 | hans | brailsmt: and you are happy with those? |
| 20:40.25 | brailsmt | yes, it has very good bass |
| 20:40.35 | brailsmt | and the cord design is sane... |
| 20:41.06 | brailsmt | i know that sounds wierd, but its a big deal when you want to run cords through tight spaces... |
| 20:45.44 | Hanuman | I want computer speakers that let me run my own cords (like real speakers) |
| 20:46.18 | brailsmt | Hanuman: enter that altec lansing speaker link... |
| 20:47.12 | Hanuman | Can you provide your own cords w/ those speakers? |
| 20:47.17 | Hanuman | like normal speaker wire? |
| 20:47.36 | brailsmt | well, they aren't quite like regular spkrs, they have their cords already |
| 20:47.59 | Hanuman | yeah - I want speakers that I can provide my own cords so I can provide as long of cords as I need to |
| 20:48.15 | Hanuman | ie run the rear speakers all the way accross the room |
| 20:48.20 | fozzmoo | Some speakers have RCA connectors |
| 20:48.26 | Hanuman | brailsmt: you can give it to me |
| 20:48.30 | hans | brailsmt: can you take the two satellites with you and leave the subwoofer, for example? |
| 20:48.40 | brailsmt | Hanuman: for that hook your computer to your stereo receiver :) |
| 20:56.19 | brailsmt | hans: no, you cna't |
| 20:56.20 | brailsmt | can't even |
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| 21:03.14 | Hanuman | brailsmt: but I don't want to bring my stereo into my computer room - I just want my computer speakers to go where I want them to go |
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| 21:08.07 | bbeattie | <--- knows he's late, Oh, 2.6.0 came out, too bad we didn't announce this last night at SLLUG |
| 21:08.11 | bbeattie | ;) |
| 21:08.27 | bbeattie | Time to upgrade my systems in 2 months, when 2.6.5 is out |
| 21:11.51 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:29.30 | brailsmt | so when does 2.7 developement start? |
| 21:31.38 | brailsmt | is there a debian way to install xmms plugins? ie, in gentoo there is a pkg that merges all the xmms visulaization plugins... is there such a thing in debian? |
| 21:32.15 | Tenebram | No idea, I've barely learned the gentoo stuff |
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| 21:34.48 | tensai | 2.7 will start once 2.6 stabilizes, or when Linus gets bored |
| 21:34.58 | tensai | probably a couple more months |
| 21:36.02 | fozzmoo | Is there going to be a 2.8? or a 3.0? |
| 21:36.22 | Tenebram | someday, probably |
| 21:36.40 | tensai | probably 3.0. there was debate about whether to call this one 2.6 or 3.0 |
| 21:36.41 | fozzmoo | Well, yeah- I just wondered if the next step would be 2.8 or 3.0 |
| 21:36.59 | fozzmoo | Really? That major of changes in 2.6? |
| 21:37.14 | fozzmoo | 2.2 to 2.4 was pretty major, I guess. |
| 21:37.19 | tensai | Linus wants to bump the major number only if there's major changes, like SMP to go to 2.0 |
| 21:37.57 | fozzmoo | Is it up to us? |
| 21:37.57 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 21:38.21 | tensai | I don't care who decides, as long as it's not Jayce^ :) |
| 21:38.30 | Jayce^ | wow, where's the lovin :) |
| 21:39.39 | tensai | Jayce^: I thought HarleyPig was coming over with his butt thong... ;) |
| 21:39.52 | Jayce^ | lol! |
| 21:40.17 | fozzmoo | As opposed to... a toe thong? |
| 21:40.31 | tensai | I dunno. his words, not mine |
| 21:40.34 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:40.45 | Jayce^ | you really gotta know harleypig for that to effect you |
| 21:41.10 | tensai | I've hung around on #utah long enough for a good scare |
| 21:41.33 | Jayce^ | tensai, check out harleypig.com to get a picture, and maybe start understanding.. |
| 21:42.06 | emcnabb | http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/ |
| 21:42.10 | emcnabb | this is funny |
| 21:43.28 | emcnabb | I got lucky by getting license plates that say "Linux26" instead of something else :-) |
| 21:44.30 | Jayce^ | anybody know if they have a page to check availability of plates? |
| 21:44.54 | Tenebram | they probably do |
| 21:44.56 | emcnabb | mine are Illinois plates |
| 21:45.44 | emcnabb | one more final left! time to study... :-( |
| 21:45.48 | tensai | Jayce^: here ya go: http://www.informe.org/interactive/vc_query/dovanitycheck.html |
| 21:46.00 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 21:46.13 | tensai | the only step left is to move to Maine :) |
| 21:46.13 | emcnabb | um, isnt' that maine |
| 21:46.13 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:46.49 | emcnabb | linux26 is not being used! |
| 21:46.58 | Jayce^ | cool, that one even renders it on a graphic |
| 21:47.01 | emcnabb | yeah, that is neat |
| 21:47.03 | Jayce^ | PERL isnt' either |
| 21:47.40 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:47.51 | emcnabb | ok, I really need to study :-) |
| 21:48.06 | Jayce^ | nah, semesters over isnt' it :p |
| 21:48.25 | tensai | here's utah: http://www.dmv.utah.gov/licensepersonalized.html |
| 21:48.32 | tensai | it's not interactive, though :( |
| 21:48.42 | emcnabb | it's not like I ever work hard in any of my classes |
| 21:48.51 | tensai | oops. ya it is |
| 21:48.56 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I've got a URL for VA, too |
| 21:49.06 | Hanuman | VA's is interactive |
| 21:49.12 | Hanuman | and $10/year |
| 21:49.23 | brailsmt | lol, some idiot in missouri in got 'ARYAN-1' on his plates and it is now a supreme court case (in MO) |
| 21:49.28 | Jayce^ | prohibited : Make reference to sexual acts, genitilia or bodily functions, |
| 21:49.41 | Jayce^ | wonder if 'shebang' would be referenced as such. |
| 21:49.43 | brailsmt | how about a link for MO |
| 21:49.50 | Hanuman | Jayce^: no, it's shabang |
| 21:50.05 | Hanuman | depending on your source |
| 21:50.17 | brailsmt | http://www.zuko.com/great_vanity_plate_archive.htm |
| 21:51.38 | Jayce^ | ooh, utahs does a realtime render |
| 21:52.06 | emcnabb | how about fsck? |
| 21:52.18 | emcnabb | fscku2 |
| 21:52.28 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:52.33 | emcnabb | that's what one partition says to another partition |
| 21:52.49 | brailsmt | playing bzflag yesterday some windows user kept saying "chkdsk" instead of 'fsck' when they got killed... :D |
| 21:53.04 | Newsome | I wish they'd let you use 8 characters |
| 21:53.21 | emcnabb | hum... "DIESCO" |
| 21:53.33 | Hanuman | Jayce^: VA's does too |
| 21:53.33 | Newsome | well, yeah. that too. |
| 21:53.34 | Jayce^ | oooohhhh perl is available.. |
| 21:53.47 | Newsome | I wanted TUXROCKS |
| 21:53.50 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 21:54.07 | Hanuman | I think I reserved Perl awhile back for VA - need to see if it's still available |
| 21:54.07 | emcnabb | just paste letters on the end |
| 21:54.08 | Newsome | I guess I could do TUXRCKS or something |
| 21:54.15 | Newsome | yeah, good idea. |
| 21:54.34 | brailsmt | can you do 'colons'? |
| 21:54.41 | tensai | TUX ROX |
| 21:54.41 | Newsome | Elizabeth has an uncle who got arrested for transferring one set of plates between 3 vehicles |
| 21:54.43 | brailsmt | ':wqa' would be a good one |
| 21:54.44 | Hanuman | Not that I would do it or anything, but I like the license plate, "FSCKIT" |
| 21:54.47 | emcnabb | you could send a proposal to the state congress to up the number of characters |
| 21:54.49 | Newsome | that would work |
| 21:54.51 | Hanuman | many meanings in that one |
| 21:55.11 | brailsmt | or just FSCK |
| 21:55.17 | Jayce^ | TUX is available in utah :) |
| 21:55.31 | Hanuman | yes, but with out the IT, you don't have "it" or "I.T." |
| 21:55.48 | Hanuman | s/with out/without/ |
| 21:56.28 | emcnabb | if someone get's the plate "FSCK" I'll pay for part of your registation fee |
| 21:56.41 | Tenebram | shouldn't the space in "with out" be escaped? |
| 21:57.14 | Hanuman | emcnabb: what about "FSCKIT"? |
| 21:57.33 | Jayce^ | what is the fee? |
| 21:57.35 | emcnabb | hum |
| 21:57.38 | brailsmt | or "I FSCK" :) |
| 21:57.56 | emcnabb | "FSCKU2) |
| 21:58.11 | emcnabb | ok, I'm REALLY GOING TO STUDY |
| 21:58.15 | tensai | Jayce^: $55 plus a $10 renewal fee |
| 21:58.26 | Hanuman | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:58.28 | Tenebram | no you're not, emcnabb! |
| 21:58.36 | emcnabb | yes I AM!!! |
| 21:58.41 | emcnabb | in Illinois plates are cheap |
| 21:58.46 | Hanuman | VA too |
| 21:58.46 | Tenebram | you will NEVER study! |
| 21:58.48 | emcnabb | I was supprised |
| 21:58.52 | emcnabb | ok, here I go |
| 21:58.59 | Tenebram | there you go to not study... |
| 21:59.11 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap Tenebram |
| 21:59.14 | | ACTION slaps Tenebram upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:59.20 | Tenebram | ack! |
| 21:59.27 | Newsome | why hugh? |
| 21:59.47 | neybar_work | hugh knows? |
| 21:59.57 | Hanuman | ooh - here's a bit of a Window's slant to the license plate: "FSCKME" |
| 22:00.08 | Tenebram | Well, it's a very large name... |
| 22:00.27 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, dangit, meant to pickup the rocky dvd's yesterday |
| 22:00.42 | neybar_work | I was going to give it to you too |
| 22:00.42 | neybar_work | I forgot |
| 22:00.46 | Tenebram | very much so, Hanuman. |
| 22:01.04 | neybar_work | remind me tonight or something and I can bring it to work with me tomorrow |
| 22:01.06 | Hanuman | or "FSCKM$" |
| 22:02.49 | tensai | TUX ROX is available, FSCK is not |
| 22:03.05 | tensai | I wonder if it gets caught by the dirty word filter |
| 22:03.15 | Newsome | wish it wasn't $55 |
| 22:03.35 | Jayce^ | or is it already owned |
| 22:04.35 | tensai | I dunno, it doesn't say |
| 22:04.44 | Moeser | how can you tell which license plates are available? |
| 22:05.06 | tensai | Moeser: for utah, https://secure.e-utah.org/pps/ |
| 22:05.37 | Hanuman | Can you reserve a Utah plate if you don't live in Utah? |
| 22:05.44 | Jayce^ | probably not |
| 22:05.54 | brailsmt | http://www.dor.mo.gov/mvdl/motorv/plates/ <-- missouri... |
| 22:06.44 | brailsmt | doesn't work though... :( |
| 22:06.47 | tensai | stupid Oregon doesn't have an interactive site :( |
| 22:07.07 | brailsmt | with 8 you could do 1337HAX0R |
| 22:07.39 | fozzmoo | That's 9. |
| 22:07.49 | Moeser | 1337HXR |
| 22:08.07 | fozzmoo | There ya go. |
| 22:08.11 | Jayce^ | w00t |
| 22:08.35 | sjansen | wQQt |
| 22:09.04 | brailsmt | rm ms |
| 22:09.09 | brailsmt | rm MS |
| 22:09.32 | neybar_work | rm SCO |
| 22:09.51 | brailsmt | VIMHXR |
| 22:09.51 | Newsome | "rm canopy" - dang, too many chars |
| 22:10.30 | Hanuman | MODPERL |
| 22:10.37 | brailsmt | FSCKPERL |
| 22:10.43 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:10.48 | Hanuman | too long, dang it ;-) |
| 22:11.01 | brailsmt | not for california... |
| 22:11.04 | Hanuman | RUBYSUX |
| 22:11.14 | brailsmt | PERLBLWS |
| 22:11.28 | Hanuman | IH8RUBY |
| 22:12.03 | Moeser | woo, you should get the amateur radio plates (with the antenna logo on it) then get HAX0R on it |
| 22:12.29 | Hanuman | just $10 up front one-time fee |
| 22:12.38 | Newsome | if you get the amateur radio plates, you can only get your call sign |
| 22:13.40 | Hanuman | Newsome: not if your callsign is KH4XOR |
| 22:13.53 | Newsome | hmm, that would work. |
| 22:14.21 | Hanuman | well, time to head home guys - cya in a few |
| 22:14.36 | brailsmt | this was a good plate I saw online... TI3VOM |
| 22:14.40 | Newsome | kh4xor isn't in use, so it looks like you could probably get it. |
| 22:16.19 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.23 | brailsmt | MOV3IT |
| 22:16.36 | brailsmt | readable in the rearview mirror... |
| 22:17.20 | brailsmt | ala. ECNALUBMA |
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| 22:22.26 | brailsmt | CMLH8R |
| 22:22.29 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:24.46 | Moeser | hmm |
| 22:24.50 | Moeser | FSCKOSX |
| 22:25.38 | Moeser | or throw in a space... FSCK XP |
| 22:27.55 | Moeser | DEBIAN is available |
| 22:29.05 | Moeser | but then again, OPENBSD is available too ;) |
| 22:32.45 | brailsmt | i want GENTOO |
| 22:33.16 | Moeser | woo, TUXRACR is available |
| 22:33.31 | emcnabb | you guys are still talking about plates!?!?! |
| 22:33.41 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 22:33.56 | Tenebram | See, I told you you wouldn't study, emcnabb! |
| 22:34.08 | Moeser | hey look, FSCKSCO is open too ;) |
| 22:34.10 | brailsmt | someday |
| 22:34.22 | emcnabb | Tenebram, I actually did read a chapter |
| 22:34.30 | Tenebram | Yeah, "read" |
| 22:34.42 | Tenebram | what was the chapter about? |
| 22:34.42 | emcnabb | yup |
| 22:34.47 | emcnabb | race conditions |
| 22:34.58 | emcnabb | security problems arising from race conditions |
| 22:35.04 | brailsmt | emcnabb: 345?!? |
| 22:35.07 | Tenebram | Oh, sure, like there are any chapters on THAT in any book... |
| 22:35.09 | emcnabb | 465 |
| 22:35.34 | emcnabb | there actually are |
| 22:35.40 | Tenebram | Yeah, I'm just being pesky. |
| 22:36.23 | emcnabb | I noticed :-) |
| 22:41.57 | sjansen | You need to be more vicious boy. Make fun of his hair next time. |
| 22:42.17 | Tenebram | 'kay |
| 22:42.19 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:42.31 | Tenebram | emcnabb: your hair is stupid! |
| 22:42.31 | sjansen | Then when you've got him on the ropes, accuse him of using emacs. |
| 22:42.39 | Tenebram | and... and it has poor social skills! |
| 22:44.55 | emcnabb | sjansen, why make fun of my hair? |
| 22:45.05 | emcnabb | is it supposed to make me mad? |
| 22:45.05 | emcnabb | because it doesn't |
| 22:45.10 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:45.18 | Tenebram | are you sure? |
| 22:45.27 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 22:45.27 | emcnabb | I'm sure |
| 22:45.33 | Tenebram | oh, okay |
| 22:45.37 | HarleyPig | Isn't it disgusting how some people are cheerful no matter how you throw crap on them? |
| 22:45.49 | emcnabb | in 5 years I'm going to have more hair then sjansen :-) |
| 22:46.01 | HarleyPig | I have more hair than sjansen right now! :D |
| 22:46.01 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:46.08 | Tenebram | what about that emacsy thingy he mentioned? |
| 22:46.11 | emcnabb | HarleyPig, if you start throwing feces at me I'll start getting mad :-) |
| 22:46.11 | Tenebram | whatever it is? |
| 22:46.26 | Tenebram | does that make you angry? |
| 22:46.29 | brailsmt | i bet if he shows up with a butt thong you will get mad too ;) |
| 22:47.19 | fozzmoo | Oh butt thong, smut thong! |
| 22:47.27 | emcnabb | Tenebram, sjansen knows more about emacs than I do |
| 22:47.33 | emcnabb | he's a closet emacs user |
| 22:47.42 | brailsmt | thems fighting words |
| 22:47.55 | Jayce^ | oohhh... fight fight |
| 22:48.09 | emcnabb | bring it on pansy jansey! |
| 22:48.10 | Tenebram | Is that true, sjansen? |
| 22:48.22 | Tenebram | DO you use whatever it is? |
| 22:48.23 | fozzmoo | "vim users do it with fewer sticks of RAM!" |
| 22:48.37 | sjansen | Unlike emcnabb, I'm studying. |
| 22:48.46 | emcnabb | the binary can't fit on 40 floppies it ain't for me! |
| 22:48.48 | HarleyPig | emcnabb: Now why would I bescumber you? |
| 22:48.54 | emcnabb | sjansen, pansy |
| 22:48.55 | sjansen | And I haven't touched emacs for years. |
| 22:49.04 | emcnabb | sjansen, liar |
| 22:49.14 | sjansen | I saw my bishop afterwards and I haven't gone back. It was a one time thing. |
| 22:49.23 | emcnabb | HarleyPig, WOW |
| 22:49.27 | emcnabb | nice vocab |
| 22:49.28 | HarleyPig | sjansen: You didn't inhale? |
| 22:49.35 | sjansen | emcnabb supports machines that are used to _force_ students to learn emacs! |
| 22:49.55 | HarleyPig | emcnabb: My mom told me I should improve my vocab, so I went out and bought 'The Depraved English' dictionary. |
| 22:49.59 | emcnabb | I don't decide class curriculum |
| 22:50.14 | emcnabb | HarleyPig, that's great! |
| 22:50.20 | sjansen | Yeah, you're "just following orders." |
| 22:50.43 | emcnabb | yeah, unlike you who uses emacs for the thrill of sinning! |
| 22:50.43 | HarleyPig | :] My mom was pissed. But she hasn't suggested anything since then! :] |
| 22:50.53 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:51.03 | sjansen | You have it in your power to "accidentally" modify the binary occasionally. Yet you let the evil spread. |
| 22:51.33 | emcnabb | sjansen, I'm worried about closet emacs users like you beating up on me for doing it |
| 22:51.36 | HarleyPig | Could sjansen be a closet emacs lover? |
| 22:51.43 | emcnabb | HarleyPig, because it sucks |
| 22:51.49 | levi | I've always wondered why people here are so vocal against emacs and python. |
| 22:51.54 | emcnabb | sjansen, it is true |
| 22:52.03 | HarleyPig | levi: Because they suck mud. |
| 22:52.05 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 22:52.11 | emcnabb | VIM IS THE ONE EDITOR TO RULE THEM ALL!!!! |
| 22:52.11 | sjansen | Because I was betrayed by python. I pushed it to the limit and it broke. Perl never did that to me. |
| 22:52.17 | levi | I think they're just insecure. |
| 22:52.25 | sjansen | vim is my precious |
| 22:52.32 | HarleyPig | Exactly! emacs and pythong aren't secure! |
| 22:52.32 | levi | and/or insane |
| 22:52.32 | emcnabb | IT IS MINE!!! |
| 22:52.36 | brailsmt | sjansen strokes vim at night... |
| 22:52.39 | emcnabb | give it back sjansen!!!! |
| 22:52.52 | Moeser | long live pico! hooray! |
| 22:53.02 | sjansen | It's mine. My love. My preeecious. |
| 22:53.08 | HarleyPig | Yeah brailsmt, my periscope keeps getting stuck. |
| 22:53.09 | emcnabb | i just want to say, sjansen, atleast I use a mail client (mutt) that uses VIM |
| 22:53.14 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:53.31 | sjansen | Yeah, a real dog of an MUA. |
| 22:53.42 | emcnabb | better than Evolution |
| 22:53.44 | HarleyPig | *ruff* |
| 22:53.53 | brailsmt | Evolution is a good movie |
| 22:53.57 | emcnabb | ok, I'm going to study again |
| 22:54.03 | emcnabb | watch me |
| 22:54.07 | HarleyPig | woah. the tangents are *flying* today! |
| 22:54.07 | emcnabb | I will ignore you all |
| 22:54.29 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.36 | HarleyPig | dang |
| 22:54.58 | brailsmt | shoot me please |
| 22:55.14 | HarleyPig | Better be careful someone doesn't get impaled on one of those tangents. |
| 22:55.20 | HarleyPig | ~shoot brailsmt |
| 22:55.26 | | ACTION shoots brailsmt in the head. |
| 22:56.06 | HarleyPig | Hey! Why'd the mathematician go to the beach? |
| 22:56.11 | HarleyPig | He wanted to be a tangent! |
| 22:56.33 | emcnabb | Jayce^, can you kick HarleyPig off? |
| 22:56.34 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:56.46 | HarleyPig | What? bad puns are off topic? |
| 22:56.56 | sjansen | That would be an abuse of power Jayce^ would never resort to. |
| 22:56.56 | brailsmt | HarleyPig: i thought he wanted a tangent... |
| 22:57.04 | *** join/#utah Moesie (moeser@hades.moenix.com) |
| 22:57.11 | emcnabb | sjansen, Jayce^ has kicked me off before! |
| 22:57.16 | HarleyPig | RUN Moesie while you still can! |
| 22:57.17 | *** part/#utah Moesie (moeser@hades.moenix.com) |
| 22:57.24 | emcnabb | haha |
| 22:57.25 | HarleyPig | emcnabb: Yeah, but that's YOU |
| 22:57.30 | emcnabb | NO!!!! |
| 22:57.30 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 22:57.35 | emcnabb | I'm special! |
| 22:57.42 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:57.51 | emcnabb | ~shoot sjansen |
| 22:57.54 | | ACTION shoots sjansen in the head. |
| 22:57.58 | HarleyPig | ~tickle sjansen |
| 22:57.59 | emcnabb | ahh, that's better |
| 22:58.09 | HarleyPig | well nutz. |
| 22:58.28 | HarleyPig | ~abuse sjansen |
| 22:58.44 | HarleyPig | *sigh* |
| 22:58.45 | emcnabb | ~TAKE_SJANSEN_AND_MAKE_HIM_USE_EMACS_ON_REDFLAG_LINUX |
| 22:58.53 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 22:59.07 | HarleyPig | Hey! I have work to do! What am I doing here?1 |
| 22:59.12 | HarleyPig | err ... s/1/!/ |
| 22:59.36 | sjansen | You're fault for entering #utah while finals are underway. |
| 22:59.37 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 22:59.47 | emcnabb | die sjansen die |
| 22:59.50 | sjansen | I am edumacated, really I am. |
| 23:00.12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:00.13 | HarleyPig | final final? |
| 23:00.29 | emcnabb | sjansen, you studying for cs465? |
| 23:00.52 | brailsmt | yeah, final final == last final |
| 23:02.05 | sjansen | 428 |
| 23:02.07 | brailsmt | it can be said that i finally finished my final final... |
| 23:03.42 | emcnabb | sjansen, after you take it talk to me |
| 23:06.48 | Moeser | finally finalized the final final |
| 23:08.03 | *** part/#utah tomeast (~teastmond@63-253-57-90.ip.mcleodusa.net) |
| 23:15.39 | sjansen | emcnabb: He said we could take a page of notes with lists, right? |
| 23:37.39 | *** join/#utah lukfugl (~kip@67.50.41.115) |
| 23:39.28 | lukfugl | what are the usual candidates for incoming mail delivery on a mail server? eg. mail is sent to foo@mydomain.com and when the message finally arrives at the box corresponding to mydomain.com, what process receives it? |
| 23:40.03 | tensai | lukfugl: probably your mail server :) |
| 23:40.18 | Jayce^ | your mta.. sendmail/postfix/qmail/exim.... |
| 23:40.33 | lukfugl | tensai: it would be kinda hard to do the maintenance I need to if I were to shut the whole server down |
| 23:40.51 | *** join/#utah jason_u (~jason@166.70.87.122) |
| 23:41.06 | tensai | what are you aiming to do? |
| 23:42.17 | lukfugl | Jayce^: ok, that's what I thought (sendmail is my MTA). But if I shut down sendmail, I can't send out. I'd like to not receive messages while I do some maintenance (moving files around and such) so as to not lose any data. But I'd like to still let people send mail during that period |
| 23:42.32 | lukfugl | I want the maintenance to be transparent to the other users of the mail server |
| 23:43.22 | tensai | use iptables to block inbound access to port 25. any incoming mail will be queued for later. |
| 23:45.06 | tensai | mail will be queued by the remote sender, that is |
| 23:45.18 | lukfugl | tensai: that should do. being a noob to this sysadmin stuff, would anyone mind giving me a quick and dirty command to do that with? (I'm on the payroll as a programmer, but I've been shoehorned into admining 4 boxen 'on the side') |
| 23:45.55 | lukfugl | I understand iptables theoretically, but I've never actually set it up, so I'm at a bit of a loss. |
| 23:46.10 | tensai | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j REJECT |
| 23:46.18 | tensai | er, no |
| 23:46.26 | tensai | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j REJECT |
| 23:46.59 | tensai | that may stop people from sending mail, though |
| 23:47.35 | tensai | what users are you trying to allow sending mail? |
| 23:50.18 | lukfugl | we do hosting, which includes mail for the hosted domains. There are 1000+ active mailboxes on this server. I want those customers to be able to keep sending mail, but for space reasons (new hard drive installed to handle the mail volume) I need to move the spool files around |
| 23:51.06 | lukfugl | hrmm, doesn't look like I have iptables support enabled :( |
| 23:51.19 | tensai | an iptables block probably won't work then. sending is done over port 25 too. |
| 23:51.47 | lukfugl | is there anyway I can stop sendmail then start it in send-only mode? |
| 23:52.08 | Bradipo | If you disable the daemon, email injected locally will still go out. |
| 23:52.16 | Bradipo | It just won't accept any email from the 'net |
| 23:52.47 | tensai | if all the users sending mail are on the net, though, then you're hosed |
| 23:52.53 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 23:52.53 | lukfugl | they are |
| 23:53.14 | Bradipo | Uh, you're hosed if you use iptables to block it... |
| 23:53.24 | lukfugl | I guess they'll just have to suffer 30 minutes down time, unless there are any other suggestions |
| 23:53.34 | Bradipo | Bring up a new box... |
| 23:53.51 | sjansen | Multiple spools? |
| 23:54.14 | lukfugl | sjansen: I've never seen or heard of that. How's that work? |
| 23:54.16 | sjansen | Keep the old spool around, start using the new. Run with both for awhile. |
| 23:54.29 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 23:54.30 | sjansen | Just theory. Don't know if sendmail can do it. |
| 23:54.30 | tensai | configure a second daemon listening on an alternate port with a temporary spool, redirect 25 -> new port, bring down old server |
| 23:56.06 | Bradipo | Or how about this... |
| 23:56.25 | Bradipo | Bring up a new box that simply queues up the email for the old server. |
| 23:56.39 | byron | if you have a QueueLA parameter in your sendmail configuration, setting it really low would cause sendmail to queue everything it gets |
| 23:56.44 | Bradipo | So your clients think they are sending email to the old box, but it is really being queued up on a new box waiting for the old one to come up. |
| 23:56.49 | HarleyPig | I have a column that contains different entries with similar endings ( something (100), something (200), ... something else (100), something else (200) ). I'd like to have a query strip off the (\d+) and return just the distinct list (something, something else). Is that possible with mysql? |
| 23:57.29 | Bradipo | It might be easier just to schedule a bit of downtime. :-) |
| 23:57.59 | lukfugl | Bradipo: that would probably work if I had access to another box :) |
| 23:58.24 | lukfugl | byron: once I'm done with maintenance how do I flush the queue? |
| 23:58.32 | Bradipo | How do clients access port 25 now? Is it by hostname or IP address? |
| 23:58.54 | byron | lukfugl: that's the part I'm not so sure about... I'm not even sure it would work |
| 23:59.44 | lukfugl | byron: I figure I can't just restart sendmail with a higher QueueLA param and expect the queued mails to hang around during the restart |
| 23:59.52 | lukfugl | or can I? |
| 23:59.59 | sjansen | But think how much it'd impress your users if you do it with zero downtime, then advertise the fact and explain how your brilliantly solved the problem. |