| 00:31.20 | bartw | http://news.netcraft.com/ |
| 00:31.23 | bartw | more DDOS? |
| 01:26.51 | Hanuman_ | This is a fun topic on PLUG |
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| 02:50.20 | byron | synic: bonus points if you know what ||= is |
| 02:50.33 | Hanuman | ooh, ooh - me, me |
| 02:50.40 | synic | lol, I haven't the slightest. |
| 02:50.44 | Hanuman | is that in Perl or Ruby? |
| 02:50.46 | synic | enlighten me |
| 02:51.01 | Hanuman | I can tell you for Perl |
| 02:51.01 | byron | well, it is ruby... which means it probably is the same as perl |
| 02:51.13 | synic | I don't know for perl either... |
| 02:51.27 | Hanuman | If it already has a value, keep the value, otherwise assign the new value to the empty variable |
| 02:51.39 | Hanuman | very useful in many cercumstances |
| 02:51.51 | Hanuman | s/cercumstances/circumstances/ |
| 02:51.59 | Hanuman | basically, establishes a default value for objects |
| 02:52.12 | byron | Hanuman: thank you for enlightening me. My explanation wasn't even near that good and didn't make any sense |
| 02:52.19 | synic | oh now that does sound useful |
| 02:54.26 | synic | cool :) |
| 02:54.38 | synic | have any more sugar for me guys? |
| 02:54.53 | byron | what are you trying to do |
| 02:55.08 | synic | nothing really, just exploring Ruby. |
| 02:55.50 | byron | there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with it. |
| 02:56.09 | byron | have you found out about the attr_* methods? |
| 02:56.10 | synic | it's a bit different than any language I've ever used |
| 02:56.17 | synic | attr_writer ? |
| 02:56.21 | synic | and reader ? |
| 02:57.13 | byron | and attr_accessor |
| 02:57.36 | synic | dunno about accessor, but I read about the other two in the guide |
| 02:57.47 | synic | what's it do? |
| 02:58.13 | byron | attr_accessor lets you go both ways. It's a getter and setter in one. |
| 02:58.36 | synic | nice |
| 03:00.31 | Hanuman | I think kyle likes causing a stir on PLUG because it draws more attention to his job posts |
| 03:02.44 | byron | today was quite the stir. Now we just need people to complain about it being offtopic like we get on the uug |
| 03:03.12 | Hanuman | there we go - but bring something up to start another stir |
| 03:03.25 | Hanuman | (when you do complaign about being offtopic) |
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| 03:04.57 | byron | I wish there were something like perldoc for ruby |
| 03:15.04 | byron | here's a cool ruby module... English: let's you access the perl type $punctuation variables with descriptive names |
| 03:15.23 | Hanuman | Why not just use perl? ;-) |
| 03:16.05 | byron | because blessing objects confuses me |
| 03:16.38 | Hanuman | it's easy once you get the hang of it |
| 03:17.24 | byron | that and I really like ruby's blocks |
| 03:18.03 | Hanuman | what are blocks? |
| 03:18.34 | byron | they allow you to do something like this: |
| 03:18.47 | byron | list = [ 0, 1, 3, 5 ] |
| 03:18.59 | byron | list.each { |i| puts i } |
| 03:19.17 | byron | would print out 0 1 3 5 on separate lines. |
| 03:20.42 | Hanuman | my $list = [0,1,3,5]; |
| 03:21.04 | Hanuman | foreach (@$list) { print $_; } |
| 03:21.24 | Hanuman | well, it ought to be print qq{$_\n}; |
| 03:21.32 | Hanuman | to be on separate lines, but you get the point |
| 03:23.09 | Hanuman | actually, the second line can just be: |
| 03:23.12 | byron | I'm rusty with perl... why the @$list? Couldn't you just use @list? |
| 03:23.23 | Hanuman | for (@$list) {print $_} |
| 03:23.54 | Hanuman | byron: because I'm establishing a reference to an array - a pointer, basically |
| 03:24.09 | Hanuman | to dereference it you have to use @$list |
| 03:24.30 | byron | ahh, I missed the $list on the first line |
| 03:31.30 | Hanuman | The really cool thing about perl objects is you can set them up to take hashes as variables when they are instanciated |
| 03:32.02 | Hanuman | So you can basically pass any number of variables to the object, and have the object do the rest |
| 03:32.31 | Hanuman | if that makes sense |
| 03:33.05 | byron | that does sound very useful |
| 03:33.24 | Hanuman | similar to overloading objects in C++ |
| 03:36.37 | byron | as in polymorphism or operator overloading? |
| 03:37.15 | Hanuman | as in operator overloading |
| 03:37.31 | Hanuman | polymorphism can occur also with Perl objects |
| 03:38.15 | Hanuman | not necessarily operator overloading, though, but overloading the objects - being able to put any number of variables into an object and have the object know what to do with them |
| 03:39.00 | Hanuman | the great thing about using hashes is you only need one constructor for the object |
| 03:39.28 | byron | Ahh, I get where you're going. Does that automatically create getters and setters for each variable or does your constructor need to deal with that? |
| 03:40.05 | Hanuman | use a bunch of those ||='s for the values of the hash variables and you're set |
| 03:40.26 | Hanuman | that is one bad thing about perl objects - there is no private or public variables |
| 03:40.37 | Hanuman | you can technically pull any variable out of an object |
| 03:40.56 | Hanuman | Good Perl programmers will create their own functions to get and set variables, though just out of good practice |
| 03:41.31 | byron | that really is sweet |
| 03:42.31 | Hanuman | objects make perl a whole new language |
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| 04:30.19 | torriem | In gcc, there's a commandline option to tell you what the configure parameters that were used to build it. Anyone remember what that is? |
| 04:33.30 | torriem | oh duh. it's gcc -v |
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| 06:05.34 | emcnabb | bytheway, you around? |
| 06:08.05 | Mecworks | emcnabb: Jayce^: FYI, Zak Greant from MySQL will be presenting at SLLUG tomarow. If you'd like to pass the info on to the groups, there's more info at the link: http://www.sllug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=24&page=1 |
| 06:08.31 | emcnabb | Mecworks, will do |
| 06:08.36 | Mecworks | cool |
| 06:09.43 | emcnabb | I really want to go |
| 06:09.57 | Mecworks | Yea, it looks like it'll be a good meeting. |
| 06:10.25 | Bradipo | Wow, SLLUG is meeting on opening day eh? |
| 06:10.45 | Mecworks | Zak arrived this afternoon. He'll be touring tomarow before the meeting and then he'll have a free day on Thursay before heading back on Friday morning. |
| 06:10.59 | Mecworks | opening day?> |
| 06:11.06 | Bradipo | LotR? |
| 06:11.24 | Mecworks | Oh yea, I have tickets for friday |
| 06:11.33 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 06:11.38 | emcnabb | Mecworks, done |
| 06:11.42 | Bradipo | I wanted to go to the back to back showings. |
| 06:11.46 | emcnabb | people are in the middle of finals though |
| 06:11.46 | Mecworks | nice. thx |
| 06:11.53 | Mecworks | Yea, same at the U. |
| 06:12.08 | Bradipo | Finals suck. |
| 06:12.16 | Mecworks | Novell rented out a couple theaters for the movie on friday. |
| 06:12.22 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 06:12.25 | Mecworks | I'm going. |
| 06:12.31 | Mecworks | for free. |
| 06:13.50 | Bradipo | That's cool. |
| 06:14.19 | Bradipo | SCO rented out a theater tomorrow, I'll be going then. :-) |
| 06:14.37 | Mecworks | Yea. I'm pretty happy about it. There's a group going tomarow but I'm not on the lucky team. |
| 06:14.43 | Bradipo | Novell has a lot more employees than we do though. |
| 06:15.07 | Bradipo | Novell could probably fill the theater three days in a row. |
| 06:15.48 | Mecworks | Yea, but SCO needs to burn thought as much of the money they've gotten before what's left is frozen or taken way...8^) |
| 06:16.57 | bonez39 | Mecworks: what's the latest on SCO? where can I find the most current info on their court case? |
| 06:17.04 | Bradipo | groklaw.net |
| 06:17.10 | Bradipo | They have all the good stuff. |
| 06:17.25 | Mecworks | But they'll get more when they star suing the BSD folks... 8^) |
| 06:17.39 | Bradipo | groklaw.net will? |
| 06:17.44 | Mecworks | Yea, groklay is really good. |
| 06:17.48 | Mecworks | no, SCO... |
| 06:18.11 | Bradipo | Yeah, I love all their self-proclaimed experts that correctly identified our DDoS as self-inflicted or faked. |
| 06:18.19 | Bradipo | We did such a good job of faking out even CAIDA. |
| 06:18.42 | Mecworks | Yea, you guys are really tallented. 8^) |
| 06:18.55 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 06:19.15 | Bradipo | ESR told the sltrib that it was most likely a case of fat-finger. |
| 06:19.33 | Bradipo | So, on one hand we are too stupid and trip over cables, unplug the webserver and fat-finger everything. |
| 06:19.50 | Bradipo | On the other hand we are brilliant enough to convince even CAIDA's Network Telescope that we were DDoSed. |
| 06:20.05 | Mecworks | bonez39: both IBM and SCO are being pretty quiet about the particulars of the case. Growklaw is a third party and is pretty good about keeping up with everything. |
| 06:20.30 | Bradipo | groklaw should stick to the law and leave the wild speculation to /. |
| 06:20.56 | Bradipo | Surprisingly after reading groklaw, slashdot seemed much more intelligent by far. |
| 06:21.13 | Bradipo | Or rather, the comments made on groklaw. |
| 06:21.31 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.35 | Bradipo | bonez39: You go right ahead and read groklaw though, you may like it. :-) |
| 06:21.57 | bonez39 | there...not thee |
| 06:22.04 | bonez39 | fingers are cold from driving. |
| 06:22.14 | Bradipo | Haha, we're not the only ones that suffer from fat-finger. |
| 06:22.25 | bonez39 | no, I do occasionally too |
| 06:22.35 | Bradipo | I'm glad to know that we're not alone in this. :-) |
| 06:22.46 | tensai | my office gets cold so I tried using gloves. that caused quite a bit of fat-finger |
| 06:23.02 | Bradipo | Did you cut the finger tips off? |
| 06:23.15 | Bradipo | ala Rocky Balboa... |
| 06:23.36 | tensai | no, they're a good pair of gloves. I thought about it though. Maybe some nice studded black leather ones. |
| 06:24.11 | Bradipo | I've often thought of patenting a hand warming mouse. |
| 06:24.23 | Bradipo | That emanates small amounts of heat into your hands. |
| 06:24.29 | Bradipo | Or at least your mouse hand. |
| 06:25.04 | tensai | or maybe a cover that slips over the mouse |
| 06:26.50 | Bradipo | Mecworks: Did you ever get into growing bonsai? |
| 06:27.57 | Mecworks | I have my bosai kit but i havn't planted it yet. David Brown planted his though. I'll have to see how it's getting along. We're going to lunch on Thursday. |
| 06:28.38 | Bradipo | Are you growing from seed? |
| 06:28.55 | Bradipo | Or do you have a plant already? |
| 06:29.06 | Mecworks | My kit is a bonsai seed(s) and a small planter |
| 06:29.11 | Bradipo | Nice. |
| 06:29.14 | Mecworks | yea. |
| 06:29.27 | Bradipo | I've been growing a few trees that I plan to turn into bonsai in a few years. |
| 06:29.27 | Mecworks | picked it up at boarders during a luch run there once. |
| 06:29.35 | Mecworks | cool. |
| 06:29.43 | Bradipo | But I don't have a kit yet. |
| 06:29.45 | Mecworks | bonsai is cool. |
| 06:29.57 | Bradipo | Yeah, but growing from seed is slow. |
| 06:30.13 | Bradipo | Don't they have to grow at least 4 years from seed before you can really start hacking them up? |
| 06:31.09 | Bradipo | Once it starts getting warm again I would like to build a small greenhouse so I can grow a variety of them. |
| 06:31.39 | Mecworks | Yea, I think so. That's the point of bosai. Teaches patience... 8^) Wax on...wax off... |
| 06:31.43 | Bradipo | But instead of starting from seed I'll just go buy some trees from Home Depot or something. |
| 06:32.15 | Bradipo | Those will be my practice bonsai while I wait for my seedlings to mature. |
| 06:33.17 | Mecworks | sounds like a plan. wax on....wax off Bradipo san. |
| 06:36.05 | Newsome | the problem is that you can't climb a bonsai tree, and climbing trees is fun! |
| 06:36.06 | Bradipo | Thank you Mecworks san for the wisdom imparted to me. |
| 06:36.16 | Newsome | well, I guess you could try climbing it once... |
| 06:36.19 | Bradipo | Yeah, but some bonsai look really good. |
| 06:36.26 | Newsome | true. |
| 06:36.27 | Bradipo | And they sell for $$$ |
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| 06:36.55 | Mecworks | well, oyasuminasai....I mean, good night. |
| 06:37.06 | Bradipo | http://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/trident_maple_specimen.html |
| 06:37.10 | Bradipo | Check out those bonsai... |
| 06:37.25 | Bradipo | lol |
| 06:37.27 | Bradipo | Later |
| 06:37.31 | Newsome | later |
| 06:37.50 | Bradipo | There is one on that page that goes for $4700 |
| 06:38.20 | Bradipo | You could put GI Joe army men and fake climbing one. :-) |
| 06:38.25 | Newsome | yeah. pretty amazing |
| 06:38.42 | Newsome | haha. yeah, it's about that size. |
| 06:38.59 | Bradipo | http://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/CalamondinOrange.html |
| 06:39.00 | Mecworks | hm. size does matter. |
| 06:39.03 | Bradipo | And that one even has fruit! |
| 06:39.18 | Bradipo | Little mini-oranges... |
| 06:39.28 | Newsome | wow, they're bite-sized. |
| 06:39.35 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 06:39.37 | Newsome | like overstuffed peas. |
| 06:39.40 | Bradipo | Amazing stuff. |
| 06:40.04 | Bradipo | http://brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/ST-1099JM-C-011503.jpg |
| 06:40.05 | Newsome | way more patience than I have! |
| 06:40.07 | Bradipo | I kind of like that one. |
| 06:40.23 | Newsome | cool colors. is that year-round? |
| 06:40.31 | Bradipo | Probably not. |
| 06:40.35 | Bradipo | Those are probably fall colors. |
| 06:40.39 | Newsome | probably |
| 06:40.55 | Mecworks | where's the main page for that one? |
| 06:41.17 | Bradipo | http://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/japanese_maple_specimen.html |
| 06:41.20 | Bradipo | Sorry. :-) |
| 06:41.43 | Bradipo | There's a cool little grove of maples there too. |
| 06:42.24 | Bradipo | My three trees that I would like to grow are: ficus bengalensis (I'm currently growing these from seed). |
| 06:42.34 | Bradipo | I would like to grow an aspen and a maple. |
| 06:42.42 | Bradipo | And I might even try an apple tree. |
| 06:42.45 | Mecworks | cool |
| 06:42.54 | Newsome | so, how would someone start a business like this? It seems like you'd start them growing, and your kids/grandkids would sell them. |
| 06:42.59 | Bradipo | That would be interesting. |
| 06:43.03 | Bradipo | Depends. |
| 06:43.17 | Bradipo | If you buy enough of them, they could become part of your retirement plan. :-) |
| 06:43.33 | Bradipo | 30 year old bonsai go for good money if they are nice. |
| 06:43.50 | Newsome | hmmm. I'm guessing they don't take much maintenance. |
| 06:44.01 | Bradipo | Some families have had trees in their family for generations. |
| 06:44.11 | Bradipo | Not once they are trained. |
| 06:44.45 | Bradipo | I have found some online that were 500 years old (or at least claimed it). |
| 06:44.52 | Newsome | wow. |
| 06:45.25 | Bradipo | That is pretty amazing. |
| 06:45.30 | Bradipo | Think mini-ents here. :-) |
| 06:46.54 | Bradipo | http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/trees/msg1218033515820.html |
| 06:47.01 | Newsome | hmmm. I'm going to dream of bonzai trees tearing up Isengard. |
| 06:47.02 | Bradipo | Interesting dicussion about how this is possible. |
| 06:47.07 | Bradipo | lol |
| 06:47.20 | Newsome | Got to get in the mood for tomorrow :) |
| 06:47.43 | Bradipo | Yeah, I was trying to tie in bonsai with Ents so keep peoples interest. :-) |
| 06:48.17 | Newsome | so, the idea is that if the tree doesn't get big, it won't age. |
| 06:48.23 | Newsome | I guess... |
| 06:49.06 | Bradipo | That's what it seems this guy is saying. |
| 06:49.28 | Bradipo | Not sure how scientific it is. |
| 06:50.12 | Newsome | I guess that seems to make sense. I guess I don't see trees getting liver or heart disease, or anything. Why should they deteriorate... |
| 06:50.48 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 06:51.04 | Bradipo | Only environmental attacks from the outside could really harm them I suppose. |
| 06:51.12 | Bradipo | Bugs, mold, etc... |
| 06:51.37 | Bradipo | A bonsai tree does take a lot of care though I imagine. |
| 06:51.48 | Bradipo | You are always replanting it and pruning it. |
| 06:52.05 | Newsome | wow, I never realized that. |
| 06:52.14 | Bradipo | As well as shaping it (using wire to help bring out it's form). |
| 06:52.45 | Bradipo | The shaping is some kind of spirital journey as you help the tree grow into what it's supposed to be. |
| 06:52.48 | Bradipo | Or something like that. |
| 06:53.42 | Bradipo | Well, I'm just starting out. |
| 06:53.52 | Bradipo | We'll see how well I fare in the next few years. |
| 06:54.02 | Newsome | good luck. |
| 06:54.08 | Bradipo | I've been growing these trees for almost a year. |
| 06:54.22 | Bradipo | Haven't even started pruning and repotting. |
| 06:56.41 | Bradipo | http://www.bonsaiweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=125&start=0 |
| 06:56.46 | Bradipo | I also like something like that. |
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| 06:58.12 | Newsome | so, do the root systems get big, or is that constrained by the size of the pot too? |
| 06:59.28 | Newsome | emcnabb: so are you and Andrew just heading up there tomorrow? anyone else need a ride? |
| 07:00.05 | Bradipo | Well, the pot doesn't constrain the roots. |
| 07:00.10 | Bradipo | You prune the roots. |
| 07:00.35 | Bradipo | Generally the roots and the top growth should balance out. |
| 07:00.37 | Newsome | wow. sounds like brain surgery. The roots would be tiny. |
| 07:01.09 | Bradipo | Actually they are scaled correctly. |
| 07:01.18 | emcnabb | Newsome, yeah, we're just heading up there together |
| 07:01.24 | emcnabb | night |
| 07:01.44 | Newsome | see ya tomorrow. |
| 07:01.52 | Bradipo | It depends on the tree too. |
| 07:02.18 | Bradipo | http://show.bonsaiweb.com/showtree.php?1602 |
| 07:02.23 | Bradipo | You can see the roots on that one. |
| 07:03.43 | Bradipo | http://show.bonsaiweb.com/showtree.php?583 |
| 07:03.56 | Bradipo | As the comments on that one says, the roots are impressive there. |
| 07:04.08 | Newsome | wow |
| 07:04.14 | Bradipo | By the way, if you hever have a few hours: http://show.bonsaiweb.com/ |
| 07:04.33 | Bradipo | Probably thousands of different bonsai to look at there. :-) |
| 07:04.34 | Newsome | looks like some of the cyprus I've seen down in Florida. |
| 07:04.39 | Moeser | woo |
| 07:05.07 | Bradipo | woot |
| 07:05.09 | Moeser | its like a pet goldfish that doesn't end up floating belly up in a few months |
| 07:05.14 | Bradipo | lol |
| 07:05.29 | Bradipo | Yeah, if you take care of it, it will outlast you. |
| 07:06.07 | Bradipo | Some of these have buds and flower. |
| 07:07.22 | Moeser | think of the similarities... |
| 07:07.47 | Bradipo | http://show.bonsaiweb.com/showtree.php?1220 |
| 07:07.55 | Bradipo | There's one that is in winter season. |
| 07:08.14 | Moeser | both people and bonsai take a few years after they are born before they really start to grow into something shape-able |
| 07:08.27 | Bradipo | Indeed. |
| 07:08.29 | Moeser | then over time, and after a lot of work, mature and don't need much help anymore ;) |
| 07:08.55 | Bradipo | http://show.bonsaiweb.com/showtree.php?804 |
| 07:09.02 | Bradipo | I bet that one took a lot of patience and training... |
| 07:09.08 | Bradipo | 30 years of growth over a rock. |
| 07:09.31 | Moeser | wow, thats cool |
| 07:09.37 | Moeser | there should be some bonzai cams |
| 07:09.42 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 07:09.53 | Bradipo | Except there isn't much to watch. |
| 07:10.10 | Moeser | like the old chia pet cams of the old days, but with 30 year time lapse ;) |
| 07:10.46 | Bradipo | lol |
| 07:10.53 | Bradipo | chia pets rock. |
| 07:11.00 | Bradipo | http://show.bonsaiweb.com/showtree.php?1367 |
| 07:11.04 | Bradipo | Wow, this one is impressive too. |
| 07:12.18 | Moeser | i think when i have a kid, i'll plant a bonzai when theyre born |
| 07:14.23 | Bradipo | I planted my seeds a few months after my daughter was born. |
| 07:14.44 | Moeser | thats awesome |
| 07:16.01 | Moeser | you should start taking time-lapse photos so everyone can watch its growth in a 30-minute home movie several decades from now ;) |
| 07:16.34 | Moeser | that is, if we haven't all turned into irradiated mutants by then |
| 07:16.46 | Moeser | ;) |
| 07:17.15 | Bradipo | I could start now. |
| 07:17.20 | Bradipo | It has already grown pretty tall. |
| 07:17.29 | Moeser | how tall? |
| 07:24.50 | Bradipo | It's about 24--30 inches. |
| 07:24.52 | Bradipo | Well, the biggest one is. |
| 07:24.59 | Bradipo | The other one is about 18 inches. |
| 07:25.30 | Bradipo | And then I have four sharing a pot which I suppose I could make a bonsai forest once I figure out how to do that. |
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| 08:12.28 | bonez39 | quick question..do any of you use streaming media? I want to listen to germany radio..over the net..but am not sure I can get streaming to work.. |
| 08:13.18 | Tenebram | I listen to streaming music all the time |
| 08:13.29 | Tenebram | What do you want to know? |
| 08:14.32 | Tenebram | I haven't actually streamed anything yet, but I'm planning on doing it soon. |
| 08:15.08 | brailsmt | i just go to shoutcast.com and get the stations there... |
| 08:17.02 | Tenebram | I can't connect to shoutcast.com for some reason. |
| 08:17.09 | Tenebram | I get a 'gateway timeout' |
| 08:17.23 | bonez39 | well, my sound is ok..can play cd's and mp3's...just can't seem to get streaming radio to work.. |
| 08:17.50 | Tenebram | what are you trying to use to listen? |
| 08:20.11 | Tenebram | what client? |
| 08:23.00 | brailsmt | point mozilla to shoutcast.com then downoad the .pls files and listen to them with xmms |
| 08:23.48 | Tenebram | that should work just fine... |
| 08:24.10 | Tenebram | which station are you trying? |
| 08:29.07 | Tenebram | do you get errors when trying to connect to the server? |
| 08:32.39 | bonez39 | tenebram? that's just it, I don't know what client to use..I use xmms for listening to music |
| 08:32.48 | bonez39 | for cd's and mp3's |
| 08:32.50 | Tenebram | xmms should work just fine |
| 08:32.57 | Tenebram | I've listened to streaming music on it before |
| 08:33.01 | bonez39 | the tricky part is trying to connect to the server.. |
| 08:33.18 | bonez39 | where do I put the URL? in the file location box? |
| 08:33.28 | Tenebram | try this: get the url of the playlist, press ctrl+u in xmms, and paste the url of the playlist into that dialog box |
| 08:33.33 | bonez39 | it's the connecting to the server that get's me mixed up |
| 08:34.25 | Tenebram | shift-L, not ctrl+U |
| 08:34.30 | Tenebram | sorry |
| 08:34.45 | Tenebram | ack, nevermind, that's directory |
| 08:34.50 | Tenebram | I haven't used xmms in ages... |
| 08:35.01 | bonez39 | no worry |
| 08:35.02 | Tenebram | ctrl+L: open location |
| 08:36.15 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 08:36.26 | Tenebram | then paste the url of the .pls |
| 08:36.38 | Tenebram | so you don't even need to save it first |
| 08:36.41 | Tenebram | should work... |
| 08:37.38 | bonez39 | I am trying it now.. |
| 08:42.42 | Tenebram | any luck? |
| 08:43.54 | bonez39 | hmmmm I had it working before.just with the browser plugins..but not now |
| 08:44.22 | Tenebram | I just tried with xmms, and it didn't work either. |
| 08:44.44 | Tenebram | it works just fine with my media player, but apparently xmms doesn't like .pls format or something |
| 08:47.13 | bonez39 | I was listening to conference talks on my linux machine here..a few weeks ago..but now, I don't remember how I did that |
| 08:48.38 | brailsmt | how do I merge an ebuild that is an older version? |
| 08:49.12 | Tenebram | the .ebuild is still in your /usr/portae directory |
| 08:49.26 | Tenebram | just give the full path to the older .ebuild |
| 08:49.31 | Tenebram | is one way I know of |
| 08:52.24 | brailsmt | thx |
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| 14:16.30 | Hanuman | Happy LOTR holidays everyone! |
| 14:17.20 | Tenebram | Thank you, Hanuman! |
| 14:28.56 | Hanuman | your welcome - I'm thinking of making Christmas cards based off that concept |
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| 14:50.44 | Hanuman | So, anyone in here see LOTR yet? |
| 14:50.56 | Tenebram | not RotK |
| 14:51.01 | Tenebram | just the others |
| 14:51.16 | Hanuman | I mean ROTK |
| 14:51.43 | byron | Seeing it this afternoon |
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| 15:42.23 | Hanuman | quick - hide the resume before the boss sees it! ;-) |
| 15:42.49 | Hanuman | just joking |
| 15:45.35 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:46.35 | Hanuman | I think my wife would love me if we were to move back to Utah where her parents are |
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| 16:17.50 | bonez39 | Hanuman: ah.....but would you still love her....or life? would it be good to move back here? |
| 16:18.17 | bonez39 | my wife would love to be near her mom...and dad..but I think I'd go nuts if Mother in law was that close.. |
| 16:18.55 | Tenebram | don't like her? |
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| 16:19.39 | bonez39 | oh, I don't mind her...but she is so pushy..I'd go nuts..she's so organized..it would clash with my style |
| 16:22.24 | byron | hans just signed onto instant messenger, we may get an ROTK report... |
| 16:23.07 | bonez39 | ROTK ? |
| 16:23.26 | byron | Return of the King |
| 16:23.58 | bonez39 | oh..... |
| 16:25.58 | Hanuman | bonez39: I agree - we used to live up there and my wife is the type that talks to her mother all the time, so I saw my MIL quite a bit. But moving over here, which is closer to my parents made me realize that I like the support her parents give during times of pregnancy, etc. than I Like that of mine. |
| 16:26.33 | Hanuman | My parents are great and all, but they still have 2 kids living at home going to HS and those kids have to be their first priority, even when we need their help. |
| 16:26.48 | bonez39 | Hanuman: well, that is vital..that support...and I don't disparage that at all |
| 16:27.37 | Hanuman | besides, her parents are starting to get old, and her mom has liver-disease and diabetes, so we don't know how much longer they will be around |
| 16:27.46 | hans | awesome! tired! final! doh! |
| 16:28.14 | Hanuman | was it worth all the cold hours in line? |
| 16:28.16 | hans | i'll give you more juice after my final when I get a chance. :) |
| 16:28.18 | hans | ~lart hans' final |
| 16:28.28 | Hanuman | don't leave us hanging! |
| 16:28.40 | hans | ;-) |
| 16:28.56 | Hanuman | ~lart hans' final |
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| 16:33.59 | jakea | so hans, was RotK better than TT |
| 16:39.27 | Bradipo | No spoilers please. :-) |
| 16:39.59 | Tenebram | I think he's probably gone... |
| 16:40.29 | bonez39 | I am running mozilla-firebird now...I want to view a site that has shockwave...how do I install all the plugins for firebird? |
| 16:58.15 | emcnabb | separating presentation from logic can be hard sometimes |
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| 17:23.36 | jakea | bonez39: do have have the shockwave program that you installed for mozilla? |
| 17:33.58 | bonez39 | jakea: no...didn't know there was a shockwave program to install with mozilla |
| 17:38.18 | Jayce^ | w00t!!! everybody skip work and go watch the movie! |
| 17:39.02 | Jayce^ | actually, one guy there had quit his job |
| 17:39.07 | Jayce^ | to be there yesterday |
| 17:39.39 | Hanuman | lol |
| 17:40.11 | Hanuman | besides, it looks better if I'm currently employed when I'm looking for other jobs |
| 17:40.16 | emcnabb | Jayce^, so how was it? |
| 17:40.19 | emcnabb | I'm going in a few hours |
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| 17:40.31 | Jayce^ | definately some changes from the book... but a friggen AMAZING movie |
| 17:40.54 | Jayce^ | holy cow, the battle of pelinor feilds still gives me goosebumps.. |
| 17:41.14 | Jayce^ | no kidding, there are parts where you could tell stuff had been pulled.. |
| 17:41.32 | Jayce^ | and we saw a couple things in the trailers that weren't in the movie, last minute cuts |
| 17:46.33 | jakea | bonez39: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html |
| 18:05.22 | emcnabb | off to ROTK! |
| 18:24.59 | Hanuman | ~lart zzzirk |
| 18:25.19 | zzzirk | sorry, I've had to be quiet until now and I'm no longer going to stand in the shadows about it |
| 18:25.38 | zzzirk | regardless of how the movie compares to the book it is by far the best end to a trilogy that I personally have ever experienced |
| 18:25.40 | zzzirk | :) |
| 18:32.14 | Hanuman | Even Return of the Jedi? |
| 18:33.32 | zzzirk | probably yes, although I loved Return of the Jedi |
| 18:33.44 | zzzirk | it would be quite a race, let's put it that way |
| 18:33.51 | zzzirk | at least IMO |
| 18:47.37 | Hanuman | EPIII is supposed to have more action sequences than ROTJ - it will be interesting to see if Lucas is able to redeem himself in the next movie |
| 18:47.58 | zzzirk | yeah, that is very true |
| 18:51.36 | tensai | EPIII can't possibly let me down since I have such low expectations |
| 18:54.06 | Hanuman | that's true - maybe everyone's expectations will be so low that it will be extremely good |
| 18:58.40 | tensai | but don't get your hopes up or that'll cancel it out :) |
| 19:01.00 | neybar_work | tensai: I hear that, I'm not expecting much from episode 3 |
| 19:36.20 | jakea | yeesh, all this bashing on Ep III |
| 19:36.53 | jakea | I'd rather watch 3 films of Jar Jar Binks fighting with a light sabre than any movie staring Adam Sandler |
| 19:38.45 | Tenebram | you have an excellent point |
| 19:39.57 | jakea | and any ending to a trilogy has got to be better than the last movie they did for the Matrix, I was disappointed with Revolutions |
| 19:48.00 | jakea | I'm gearing up for the next Spiderman Movie though.... :) |
| 19:49.42 | Tenebram | so am I |
| 19:49.47 | Tenebram | pretty trailer... |
| 19:50.07 | jakea | oh... their's a trailer.... I need to get out more |
| 19:50.17 | jakea | is it with RotK? |
| 19:50.26 | Tenebram | I don't know, I just saw it onlint |
| 19:50.28 | Tenebram | online, even |
| 19:51.26 | jakea | I'm more into Batman, but since the series has not been the same since Keaton was replaced... three times now |
| 19:51.28 | hans | spiderman trailer before lotr, yes |
| 19:52.59 | jakea | they need to let batman sit for 20 years, then try again and plan ahead on it so characters established in the first movie are not replaced 2 movies later |
| 20:01.02 | Hanuman | I think they should use the actor from Smallville to play him |
| 20:01.12 | jakea | I've heard rumor of that forever |
| 20:01.19 | jakea | it's on, it's off, it's on, it's off |
| 20:01.31 | jakea | that and Batman vs Superman |
| 20:01.45 | Hanuman | That guy plays a mirror image to Christopher Reeve's portrayal of Superman |
| 20:02.31 | jakea | I've never watched smallville, too busy watching Enterprise, is it worth a try? |
| 20:03.20 | brailsmt | they are remaking superman? |
| 20:03.26 | jakea | don't forget Adam West old chum |
| 20:04.11 | brailsmt | ok, since the version of batman circa 1988 came out... |
| 20:04.17 | jakea | he he |
| 20:04.29 | jakea | ya, but Batman and Robin was what..... 5 years ago |
| 20:04.51 | brailsmt | jakea: it should have never been made... |
| 20:05.23 | jakea | they tried to cram things into that one that should have been done over the course of 3 movies |
| 20:05.33 | jakea | Batgirl: Bad Idea |
| 20:05.58 | brailsmt | the problem with remaking batman is that noone could outdo Jack Nicholson's Joker... |
| 20:06.07 | jakea | Arnold: Bad Idea |
| 20:06.23 | jakea | oh ya, Jack was a really good Joker |
| 20:06.30 | brailsmt | and no one has yet to outdo Keaton's Batman |
| 20:06.39 | jakea | agreed |
| 20:06.42 | brailsmt | i mean George Clooney?!?!?!?! |
| 20:06.47 | jakea | heh |
| 20:06.47 | brailsmt | c'mon |
| 20:07.09 | jakea | The early rumors I heard was Patrick Stewart being Mr. Freeze |
| 20:07.24 | jakea | but he has the X-men now |
| 20:08.06 | jakea | Kilmer did a good Batman, but his Bruce Wayne was aweful |
| 20:08.42 | brailsmt | clooney was just bad all around... |
| 20:08.51 | brailsmt | but Robin was good... |
| 20:09.03 | jakea | ya, too bad, I wanted to see more of him |
| 20:09.14 | jakea | I wanted to see it get to the point where he became NightWing |
| 20:09.15 | brailsmt | and the best villains of the Batman movies are Joker and Riddler... both Nicholson and Carrey did a great job |
| 20:09.28 | jakea | I liked Two Face |
| 20:09.34 | brailsmt | the others sucked... |
| 20:10.09 | brailsmt | i though Two Face was the worst one with Mr Freeze a close second... |
| 20:10.11 | jakea | the only issue I had with Two Face was that it was not what's his name playing Harvey in the first movie |
| 20:10.11 | levi | I wish they'd let Darren Aronovsky do the Batman movie he was going to do. |
| 20:10.27 | jakea | what was he going to do? |
| 20:11.07 | brailsmt | dangit... Pfieffer was a good CatWoman too... |
| 20:11.13 | jakea | lol |
| 20:11.20 | Hanuman | jakea: Smallville is definitely worth a try |
| 20:11.41 | levi | A Batman movie. I don't know what the story was going to be about, but it surely would have been a lot better than any of the Batman sequels to date. |
| 20:11.59 | Hanuman | Last season they actually starred Christopher Reeve as a professor who had discovered Clark Kent's galaxy and had questions about it that only Clark could answer |
| 20:12.06 | jakea | I recently read that Batman: Year One was now a go.... again |
| 20:12.12 | Hanuman | They use some of the original movies' music, too |
| 20:12.13 | brailsmt | why does that batmobile have this penchant for getting destroyed? |
| 20:12.40 | levi | Oh... yeah, Batman: Year One is Aronovsky's project. |
| 20:12.52 | jakea | oh, then you may be in luck |
| 20:13.07 | brailsmt | my 6 year old doesn't understand that Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same person... |
| 20:13.19 | brailsmt | we tried explaining it to her, but it just confused here... :) |
| 20:13.24 | brailsmt | s/here/her |
| 20:13.32 | jakea | heh |
| 20:14.07 | jakea | they should just make trilogies, forth movies always flop |
| 20:14.15 | jakea | the 4th superman movie was a joke |
| 20:14.33 | brailsmt | 3rd movies usually suck |
| 20:15.06 | jakea | although the 2nd superman movie I really liked |
| 20:15.21 | brailsmt | notable exceptions are return of the jedi, indiana jones, and LOTR from the reviews of ppl around here |
| 20:15.39 | brailsmt | back to the future |
| 20:16.35 | brailsmt | though in three of those mentioned trilogies, the second movie of the series sucked real bad... |
| 20:16.35 | jakea | hmmm.... ya, the third trek movie was not well liked, but the 4th everyone loved for some odd reason |
| 20:16.42 | jakea | I've yet to figure out why |
| 20:16.51 | brailsmt | 4th was which one? |
| 20:17.00 | jakea | The Voyage Home |
| 20:17.00 | brailsmt | the whales? |
| 20:17.04 | jakea | aka, the whale movie |
| 20:17.13 | brailsmt | i really liked that one, it was funny |
| 20:17.38 | jakea | ya, it was funny, but I failed to see why it stood up above the others so much |
| 20:18.06 | brailsmt | i mean Checkov on the USS Enterprise trying to explain why a russian was in the reactor room of a United States aircraft carrier... great stuff... |
| 20:18.15 | jakea | course, Trek had the odd numbered curse.... until the 10th movie. The 10th movie flopped |
| 20:18.24 | brailsmt | or kirk saying spock was on LDS... |
| 20:18.38 | brailsmt | Scotty talking into a mouse... |
| 20:18.44 | jakea | course, it didnt' help that someone at paramount decided to release it 5 days before TT |
| 20:18.45 | brailsmt | good stuff there :D |
| 20:18.50 | jakea | ya, it was good stuff |
| 20:19.19 | brailsmt | The best Star Trek movie is by far Galaxy Quest :D |
| 20:20.44 | brailsmt | the best trek movie has got to be Wrath of Kahn... |
| 20:21.06 | brailsmt | i mean the movie is Moby Dick set in Star Trek universe |
| 20:21.37 | jakea | First Contact comes a close second for me |
| 20:23.08 | jakea | you heard anything about the supposed 2nd X-Files movie, or is that idea going to be totally forgot about thank to Duchovney being a dork |
| 20:23.16 | jakea | +s |
| 20:28.24 | jakea | ah, here we go: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds12561.html |
| 20:40.40 | tensai | hans: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/sourdough.jpg |
| 20:45.10 | Hanuman | mmm...sourdough... |
| 20:52.19 | tensai | Hanuman: come on over and I'll serve you up a slice :) |
| 20:53.42 | Hanuman | maybe if I get a job up there I'll take you up on that |
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| 21:18.42 | neybar_work | I have a postgres problem. I installed postgres 7.4 (source) on RH9. I am running pg_restore on my data file, pg_restore goes through the motions of restoring, but never actually creates the new database |
| 21:22.04 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Is pg_restore a new thing? |
| 21:22.25 | fozzmoo | I've just always done a pg_dumpall and then a psql < dumpfile |
| 21:22.30 | fozzmoo | or psql -f dumpfile |
| 21:22.34 | neybar_work | I'll try that |
| 21:22.42 | fozzmoo | And... |
| 21:23.01 | fozzmoo | Aren't there PGDG RPMs for RH9? |
| 21:23.38 | fozzmoo | Yep. ftp://ftp5.us.postgresql.org/pub/PostgreSQL/binary/v7.4/redhat/redhat-9 |
| 21:24.01 | tensai | pg_dump can write a binary file that's only restorable with pg_restore |
| 21:24.19 | tensai | never used it, tho. I use pg_dumpall too. |
| 21:24.20 | fozzmoo | Ahh. I didn't know that. I've just always dumped the SQL. |
| 21:24.26 | neybar_work | we source compiled pg7.4 |
| 21:24.34 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I would just use the RPMs. |
| 21:24.42 | fozzmoo | Esp. in a production environment. |
| 21:24.50 | neybar_work | why's that? |
| 21:25.10 | fozzmoo | Because the RPMs are tested by the developers. :)( |
| 21:25.28 | fozzmoo | And if you have any problems, they're going to say, "Why aren't you using our RPMs?" :) |
| 21:29.40 | fozzmoo | Just a thought, Anyway. You're probably fine. |
| 21:31.48 | tensai | neybar_work: have you tried pg_restore --verbose? |
| 21:34.45 | neybar_work | what is the PGDG |
| 21:34.59 | fozzmoo | Postgresql Development Group |
| 21:35.16 | neybar_work | .5 I'm assuming |
| 21:48.00 | bytheway | neybar_work: pg_restore only restores to a database if you tell it to. |
| 21:48.15 | bytheway | pg_restore -d db_name |
| 21:49.32 | bytheway | or by using pg_restore --create |
| 22:15.54 | jakea | he he! |
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| 22:16.26 | jakea | I had to call IT back today and I got a different person so I asked them if I needed to put virus software on my linux machine again |
| 22:16.47 | jakea | this time I was put on hold so he could ask |
| 22:16.55 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:17.23 | brailsmt | ask if they suggest you defrag your disk too... |
| 22:17.33 | jakea | i was told it was more of a requirement for windows than linux, but I could search google for linux virus protection if I wanted |
| 22:18.05 | jakea | -e |
| 22:18.10 | brailsmt | yeah, it exists, but not nearly the need |
| 22:18.32 | jsmith | Amen! |
| 22:18.52 | brailsmt | same for ext2/3 defrag, the tools exists, but you don't need to defrag your disks for ext2/3 like you do for FAT* |
| 22:19.01 | jakea | Checking for Viruses ########### |
| 22:19.28 | jakea | XVirus found Windows on /dev/hda, would you like to remove it? |
| 22:19.44 | brailsmt | since, ext2/3 was designed with actual normal disk usage in mind.. |
| 22:20.29 | jakea | it's funny, when I repartitioned my uncle's computer to install Mandrake, after he said windows actually ran better |
| 22:21.40 | brailsmt | ext2/3 places inodes dispersed all over the disk, FAT is just a table sitting on the inner ring of your disk... |
| 22:22.11 | brailsmt | it is universal to all disks that you need your data near the FS info to reduce seek time... |
| 22:22.37 | brailsmt | FAT solves that by defragging to bring all the data nearer to the FAT table |
| 22:22.54 | tensai | and FAT is bad on flash media that have a limited number of writes. the FAT wears out first. |
| 22:23.00 | brailsmt | ext2/3 solve it by putting inodes all over the place so on average your data is much closer to FS data |
| 22:23.51 | brailsmt | i think defrag on ext2/3 moves data to be close to its corresponding inode(s), unlike the windows defrag that moves everything to the front of the disk... |
| 23:27.03 | synic | alright you regular expressions experts.. I got one for you. |
| 23:27.18 | synic | I need to find all instances of a this in a string: |
| 23:27.46 | synic | three characters in a row. The second character cannot be the same as first character, and the third has to be the same as the second. |
| 23:27.56 | synic | so like bee would match |
| 23:28.46 | fozzmoo | [^\1](.){2} |
| 23:28.49 | Tenebram | what about "odd"? |
| 23:28.55 | synic | odd would match |
| 23:29.09 | synic | fozzmoo: I then need to store the matching three characters in a string |
| 23:29.18 | fozzmoo | Using Perl? |
| 23:29.20 | synic | yes |
| 23:29.42 | Moeser | does fozzmoo's account for the "cant be the same as the first" rule? |
| 23:29.59 | Tenebram | what about "boo"? |
| 23:31.37 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. tough one. |
| 23:33.01 | neybar_work | does psql have a nice format option similar to mysql \G? \G will format the output so that the column name is printed next to the data for each record found |
| 23:33.31 | jsmith | neybar_work: I think it does, but I forget how to do it... |
| 23:33.48 | fozzmoo | Alright. This will work: [^\1](.)\ |
| 23:33.56 | fozzmoo | [^\1](.)\1 I mean. |
| 23:33.58 | Moeser | maybe: (.)([^\1])[\2] |
| 23:34.23 | fozzmoo | Almost. |
| 23:34.30 | Moeser | what did i miss? |
| 23:34.32 | fozzmoo | That's not bad, Moeser |
| 23:34.36 | fozzmoo | Mine was the "almost" |
| 23:34.46 | Moeser | oh, hehehe :) |
| 23:34.54 | fozzmoo | Yeah- that's better. |
| 23:35.19 | synic | yeah, that one doesn't work either |
| 23:35.23 | Moeser | hmm |
| 23:35.42 | synic | $line = "aaabbbccc"; |
| 23:35.42 | synic | while( $line =~ /(.)([^\1])[\2]/g ) { print "$1$2$2\n"; } |
| 23:36.12 | synic | so abb should match, but it doesn't |
| 23:36.14 | synic | and bcc |
| 23:36.25 | Moeser | hmm |
| 23:37.02 | fozzmoo | And, for some reason, ooo works. |
| 23:37.09 | synic | so... I tried taking the [] off the last \2, and it sorta works... but on that particular string aaa bbb and ccc match |
| 23:37.15 | fozzmoo | while(<>) { |
| 23:37.16 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.16 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.16 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.16 | fozzmoo | } |
| 23:37.56 | fozzmoo | That almost works... I wonder why ooo works, tho. |
| 23:40.52 | fozzmoo | Now I'm working with \b(\w)([^\1])\2\b |
| 23:41.21 | synic | nope... also doesn't work |
| 23:41.36 | fozzmoo | Yeah the aaa still matches. |
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| 23:41.48 | fozzmoo | Time to file a bug report. |
| 23:41.52 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 23:41.54 | synic | hehe |
| 23:43.04 | Moeser | must be something with using the "not" and backreference inside [] |
| 23:43.12 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
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| 23:49.15 | lukfugl | ok, I'm feeling silly, but I can't seem to figure out how to install a source RPM. Being a regular gentoo/debian user, this is a bit frustrating. Anyone want to give me a quick command line syntax run down to install a source RPM? |
| 23:49.25 | fozzmoo | rpm -ivh file.src.rpm |
| 23:49.36 | synic | rpmbuild --rebuild file.src.rpm |
| 23:49.37 | fozzmoo | That will install the source RPM... |
| 23:49.39 | fozzmoo | then to build it... |
| 23:49.52 | fozzmoo | rpm -ba /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/file.spec |
| 23:49.58 | fozzmoo | (or do a --rebuild) |
| 23:50.07 | fozzmoo | rpmbuild -ba will work on newer RPM distros. |
| 23:50.08 | synic | then a new one will show up in /usr/src/redhat/rp....etc... that you can install normally |
| 23:50.43 | synic | does -ba build and install it then? |
| 23:50.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah- from the spec file. |
| 23:50.56 | synic | sool |
| 23:50.59 | synic | er... cool |
| 23:51.06 | fozzmoo | -ta will do it from a tar file (given the spec file is in the tarball) |
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