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| 14:51.19 | Tenebram | I'm not! |
| 14:51.26 | Tenebram | Nope, not even a little. |
| 14:51.33 | jsmith | Whew! |
| 14:51.49 | Tenebram | And my roommate isn't. |
| 14:51.50 | jsmith | I was wondering if I'm the odd duck in the bunch here... |
| 14:52.02 | Tenebram | he's not in the bunch though... |
| 14:52.16 | jsmith | I did manage to find a way to see it tomorrow morning at 7:00am :-) |
| 14:53.05 | Tenebram | I'm probably not going to see it for quite a while |
| 15:18.24 | Hanuman | Good morning |
| 15:18.29 | Hanuman | jsmith: I'm not |
| 15:18.52 | Hanuman | I probably won't see it for a few days - no time |
| 15:19.04 | Hanuman | Today's Foxtrot was funny, though |
| 15:19.31 | jsmith | Hanuman: Yesterday's and Sunday's were both classics! |
| 15:19.50 | Hanuman | hmmm...just a sec |
| 15:20.09 | Hanuman | http://www.foxtrot.com |
| 15:20.37 | jsmith | Uh, I guess I should have known... |
| 15:21.25 | jsmith | Yup... that's pretty good... Did you see the one from Sunday or yesterday? |
| 15:21.42 | Hanuman | yeah - I have Sunday's posted on my wall |
| 15:22.11 | Hanuman | Michigan State is 3-4 and is #25 |
| 15:23.01 | Hanuman | Utah got more votes than BYU did - that's weird |
| 15:23.42 | jsmith | IT's because BYU sucks! |
| 15:24.21 | jsmith | OK... there. I said it. |
| 15:24.52 | emcnabb | Michigan State has had a killer season though |
| 15:25.22 | jsmith | Exactly... BYU has played who? Division II and III schools? |
| 15:26.08 | jsmith | Just because you win games, it doesn't mean you've got a great team. There's something called "Strength of Schedule" |
| 15:28.30 | Tenebram | I need to try CVS again, and see if it's still very unstable on my system. |
| 15:29.43 | Tenebram | Now how did I manage to get that in the wrong channel? |
| 15:29.49 | Tenebram | I've only got one window! |
| 15:30.24 | Tenebram | Sleep is for the... the... the... for those guys over there. |
| 15:33.30 | jsmith | Sleep is what everyone else is gonna be lacking tomorrow |
| 15:33.50 | Tenebram | Yeah! Lacking like... err... like metal. |
| 15:33.53 | Tenebram | And wood. |
| 15:44.57 | Hanuman | BYU played at least one ranked school this year - can't remember who it was, though |
| 15:45.58 | Hanuman | Oklahoma state was ranked 25 |
| 15:46.10 | Hanuman | BYU beat them 76-71 |
| 15:46.29 | Hanuman | They creamed USC, a PAC 10 team |
| 15:49.55 | emcnabb | I'm a Big Ten boy myself |
| 15:49.59 | emcnabb | go Illinois! |
| 15:51.38 | Hanuman | ~lart Illinois |
| 15:54.04 | jsmith | Hanuman: Quote me! |
| 15:56.11 | Hanuman | Watch for me - I'll be the one w/ the blue and white-painted face screaming at the camera like a fool |
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| 16:12.15 | jsmith | Hey, anybody know where the Wynnsong theater is? |
| 16:12.53 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 16:13.04 | Bradipo | It's down by Tucano's :-) |
| 16:13.36 | Bradipo | Just drive North on University Avenue until you see the Riverbottoms area. |
| 16:14.22 | jsmith | OK... how far north? |
| 16:14.49 | Bradipo | Just before the mouth of the canyon (about a mile possibly). |
| 16:15.09 | jsmith | OK... I think I know where it is now. |
| 16:15.21 | jsmith | Thanks... |
| 16:15.25 | Bradipo | Down by the old Franklin Covey building. |
| 16:15.27 | Bradipo | No problem. |
| 16:15.46 | jsmith | So, what did you find out about the DDOS? Anything new? |
| 16:15.58 | levi | Driving in Utah county makes me want to shoot people. |
| 16:16.00 | Bradipo | Well, I think it is not happening right now. |
| 16:16.08 | jsmith | That's good... |
| 16:16.14 | Bradipo | I didn't get called in the middle of the night last night, so this is a good thing. :-) |
| 16:16.25 | jsmith | That's always a good thing... |
| 16:16.36 | Bradipo | If you think driving in Utah is bad, try Phoenix, AZ or places in CA. |
| 16:17.02 | jsmith | Oh... I know. I spent Thanksgiving parked on the beltway outside Washington D.C. |
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| 16:33.58 | Bradipo | That would be cool. |
| 16:34.48 | jsmith | They said they'd have wireless internet access |
| 16:34.56 | Hanuman | jsmith: My parents live up there - I know the feeling |
| 16:36.28 | Bradipo | Did they sneak up on top of Wynnsong last night and install a directional wireless antenna? |
| 16:37.30 | jsmith | No... but Jordon Commons was supposed to setup an Access Point for the geeks coming to see LotR |
| 16:41.59 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 16:43.39 | jsmith | Yeah... I might go to the movies more often if they've got wireless |
| 16:49.53 | levi | Why in the world would you use wireless at the movies? Don't you watch the screen? |
| 16:53.16 | tensai | there was a thread like that on /. a while ago. the poster was ticked that they kicked him out because his laptop screen was too bright |
| 16:55.46 | Bradipo | What about before the movies? |
| 16:58.04 | levi | Before the movies, you talk to your friends. |
| 16:58.37 | levi | If you have to go really early to get a good seat, you should wait longer to see it. |
| 16:59.23 | levi | Unless you enjoy having lots of people around, in which case, you should enjoy having lots of people around instead of ignoring them while playing with your laptop. |
| 17:01.52 | jsmith | levi: It's because most movies I end up getting dragged to aren't worth two hours of complete attention... I could get quite a bit of work done while watching... |
| 17:03.27 | tensai | I don't think bringing a laptop so I don't have to pay attention to a chick-flick would fly with my wife |
| 17:03.44 | jsmith | tensai: Good point... |
| 17:03.59 | levi | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 17:04.03 | jsmith | But most of the time my wife's watching TV, I'm sitting in the recliner with my laptop... |
| 17:04.17 | levi | Whoever's dragging you isn't going to appreciate it. |
| 17:05.22 | levi | Being in the living room with your wife while she watches TV is rather different than going with her to the movies. |
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| 17:05.55 | jsmith | levi: Point well taken |
| 17:06.01 | tensai | except for Julia Roberts movies I think I even agree with her |
| 17:06.44 | levi | Speaking of watching movies... I went to Seabiscuit last night at the dollar theater. |
| 17:06.47 | jsmith | Luckily, my wife *hates* Julia Roberts... |
| 17:07.11 | levi | It was not a very busy showing, so I guess the people around me felt it was okay to answer their cell phones in the middle of the show. |
| 17:07.19 | Bradipo | Wow. |
| 17:07.19 | tensai | her mouth is just too big for her face |
| 17:07.27 | Bradipo | I would have turned around and told them to STFU. |
| 17:07.39 | Bradipo | Or RTFM or something. |
| 17:07.46 | levi | I almost did, but I restrained myself. |
| 17:08.11 | levi | The old dude who answered his phone got up and walked out while he was talking, so I'd have had to follow him to tell him off, which wasn't worth my time. |
| 17:08.22 | Bradipo | Well, if he walked out, that's not so bad. |
| 17:08.35 | levi | He walked out AFTER answering and talking loudly for a moment. |
| 17:08.45 | Bradipo | Yeah, annoying. |
| 17:09.01 | levi | I mean, really. They'll wait a few rings, you can walk out before answering and keep your voice low. |
| 17:09.39 | levi | Or you could... not answer. *gasp* |
| 17:09.45 | levi | What a shocking idea. |
| 17:09.58 | tensai | makes you wonder if there's people who don't want to get away from cell phones |
| 17:10.22 | tensai | they're great but sometimes you need some freedom |
| 17:10.25 | Bradipo | I turn my cell phone off in movies. |
| 17:10.33 | Bradipo | I don't want anything distracting my attention. |
| 17:10.34 | levi | I like my cell phone. But when I'm busy, I just cancel the ringer. |
| 17:10.42 | Bradipo | And I don't go to movies that aren't worth seeing. |
| 17:10.56 | tensai | Bradipo: same here |
| 17:11.15 | Bradipo | Most people go to movies to kill time I suppose, so a phone call is welcome. |
| 17:12.16 | Bradipo | I don't think I've been to one this year. |
| 17:12.18 | jsmith | And I always put my cell phone on "Silent Mode" |
| 17:12.26 | Bradipo | The last movie I saw in the theater was LotR. |
| 17:12.48 | Bradipo | And the only one I am likely to see this year is LotR. :-0 |
| 17:13.40 | Bradipo | I haven't even heard of that one. |
| 17:14.00 | jsmith | Disney animated cartoon... |
| 17:14.22 | jsmith | They've got these two moose as Bob and Doug McKenzie (a.k.a. the guys from Strange Brew) |
| 17:14.32 | jsmith | Take off eh, you hoser! |
| 17:20.42 | Hanuman | yeah - that was a pretty good movie |
| 17:20.55 | Hanuman | actually had music in it - whadya know? |
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| 17:47.44 | jsmith | Hanuman: That would definitely be interesting... my thought was that they would move into more PG-13 movies |
| 17:52.25 | Hanuman | I miss the musicals. There's one coming out next year that is supposed to be a musical-style that they used to do. |
| 17:52.37 | jsmith | Oh yeah? Which one? |
| 17:57.01 | tensai | I think it's "The Copyright That Almost Expired". Plot: The evil Dr. Lessig plots to destroy all creativity by stealing copyrights from poor Walt Disney. |
| 17:57.03 | Hanuman | Can't remember - they had a preview for it before Brother Bear, though |
| 18:01.09 | jsmith | Hmmmnnn... |
| 18:01.26 | jsmith | tensai: I hear you there... |
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| 18:29.05 | byron | any report on how many people got frostbite in line last night? |
| 18:30.21 | tensai | perhaps they all froze to death and thus cannot give reports |
| 18:41.22 | jsmith | Maybe so... I should have driven by and honked |
| 18:43.49 | tensai | or thrown water balloons |
| 18:47.15 | emcnabb | they finally caught the people who were stealing from us in the CS department: |
| 18:47.23 | emcnabb | http://msed.byu.edu/tlsc/theft/ |
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| 18:51.45 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 18:51.57 | Bradipo | No pictures of the purpetrators in action eh? |
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| 18:59.52 | tensai | any Java Swing experts in the house? |
| 19:04.09 | synic | tensai: not an expert, but I know it |
| 19:04.16 | synic | tensai: what's up? |
| 19:07.09 | tensai | I've got a menu and a content area. Clicking the menu loads different widgets (my own JPanel sub classes) into the content area. |
| 19:07.52 | tensai | the widgets don't get repainted when the content is changed. I figure I'm probably loading them wrong. I'm using a JRootPane and doing setContentPane(JPanel). |
| 19:08.00 | tensai | ever tried something like that? |
| 19:08.12 | synic | are you running the validate method afterwards? |
| 19:08.25 | synic | yeah, I've done something similar, for a preferences dialog |
| 19:08.37 | tensai | nope. that seems familiar. what's validate? |
| 19:08.55 | tensai | I suppose the behavior I want would be how a tabbed pane works |
| 19:09.39 | synic | validate repaints the widgets |
| 19:09.42 | synic | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/awt/Container.html#validate() |
| 19:10.14 | tensai | how is it different from repaint? I've tried repainting but they still don't show |
| 19:10.30 | Hanuman | I want to challenge the first course, though so I have to wait until I have time to do that |
| 19:10.59 | synic | I can't remember what's different... but I'm pretty sure validate is the one you want |
| 19:11.49 | tensai | yeah, from the javadocs that seems likely. it causes the layout manager to redo it's layout and then repaint. |
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| 19:13.14 | tensai | synic: that did it. thanks! |
| 19:13.20 | synic | np |
| 19:14.04 | Bradipo | Where's a good hamburger place in Utah Valley? |
| 19:14.16 | Hanuman | Red Robin |
| 19:14.24 | Hanuman | Fudruckers is good, too |
| 19:14.47 | synic | never been to Red Robin |
| 19:14.58 | Bradipo | Red Robin is pretty good. |
| 19:15.06 | Bradipo | Opposite end of the valley though. |
| 19:15.21 | synic | Fudruckers is on University Parkway |
| 19:15.22 | Hanuman | Fudruckers is in your area then |
| 19:15.22 | bartw | Bradipo Jerry's |
| 19:15.30 | Bradipo | Where is Jerry's? |
| 19:15.40 | bartw | right by the 'Y' |
| 19:15.42 | Bradipo | I think Porter's is pretty good. |
| 19:15.50 | bartw | where is Porter's? |
| 19:15.53 | Bradipo | Lehi. |
| 19:15.54 | bartw | Bradipo: BrandX |
| 19:16.04 | Bradipo | Named after Porter Rockwell. |
| 19:16.04 | HarleyPig | He's in a hole the wall ... Tom is usually waiting just outside for him. |
| 19:16.09 | Hanuman | Bradipo: McDonalds |
| 19:16.12 | synic | hrmm... suddenly I want a burger. |
| 19:16.27 | bartw | Bradipo: The Italian Place. |
| 19:16.33 | Bradipo | For hamburgers? |
| 19:16.39 | bartw | no. better. |
| 19:16.45 | Bradipo | Oh, I see... |
| 19:16.47 | bartw | The Philadelphian (Sandy). |
| 19:16.49 | synic | I can't stand Italian food. |
| 19:16.53 | Hanuman | Since you're going there - Tucanos |
| 19:17.03 | Bradipo | Actually, if we're talking SLC, How about Grinders 13. |
| 19:17.06 | bartw | synic: it's not really italian. philly chease steak. |
| 19:17.16 | synic | ok, Philly Chease Steak is good. |
| 19:17.52 | bartw | Bradipo: ever been to The Philladelphian? I've been known to drive from Provo to Sandy just to get one of their sandwiches. |
| 19:17.55 | Bradipo | What has a good philly cheese steak? |
| 19:17.58 | Bradipo | Actually, I haven't. |
| 19:18.08 | bartw | Bridipo: and their homemade onion rings the size of begals. |
| 19:18.09 | Bradipo | I grew up in Sandy and don't remember it so it must be new. |
| 19:18.11 | Bradipo | Where exactly is it? |
| 19:18.42 | bartw | Bradipo. don't really know. I know how to get there, but don't know where it is relative to anything else. |
| 19:18.44 | Hanuman | Bradipo: Subway? |
| 19:19.05 | Bradipo | No subway. |
| 19:19.10 | bartw | you take the south towne mall exit, go through about three stoplights, take a left for about 1.5 miles, and it's in a strip mall on the left. |
| 19:19.11 | Bradipo | Blech. |
| 19:19.12 | Hanuman | Blimpie? |
| 19:19.25 | Bradipo | Ok, I know where that is then. |
| 19:19.40 | Bradipo | Ok, I'm outta here. |
| 19:19.46 | bartw | might be wrong about "three stoplights". don't know street name unfortunately. |
| 19:19.48 | Hanuman | Pizza Hut (or was it Dominoes) has a philly cheesesteak pizza |
| 19:19.52 | bartw | going to philladelphian? |
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| 21:05.34 | Hanuman | Question (I'm not doing this, btw, but just wondering) - under the new spam law if you are asked by the company you are working for to harvest e-mails, can you yourself be held liable, or is only the company you work for held liable? |
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| 21:12.14 | HarleyPig | JWHarvey - w 941-358-5002 c 941-735-1066 |
| 21:12.23 | HarleyPig | ignore that |
| 21:15.14 | jakea | MPORTANT NOTICE: |
| 21:15.14 | jakea | Virus protection is required on any computer connecting to the BYU campus network. |
| 21:15.26 | jakea | so does this mean I need to ge back to windows? |
| 21:16.08 | byron | I think you're ok as long as you don't get your linux box infected :) |
| 21:17.09 | HarleyPig | :] Just don't tell him you got it from me. |
| 21:18.28 | Hanuman | What do you mean - Linux *is* virus protection |
| 21:20.19 | byron | jakea: I dare you to complete the "required" virus protection procedure at http://it.byu.edu/index.cfm?child_id=247&a_id=817 on your linux box |
| 21:21.18 | Hanuman | just call their tech support to have them help you get it working |
| 21:22.08 | Hanuman | f-prot will check your system for viruses. I'm not sure what viruses, but it protects it supposedly |
| 21:22.40 | byron | Hanuman: I think I'm going to do that after my final |
| 21:22.42 | Hanuman | be sure to update us on how the conversation goes |
| 21:23.12 | byron | will do |
| 21:26.43 | jakea | I just called to get my MAC addresses working, she said Linux counts as anti-virus software |
| 21:26.53 | Hanuman | lol |
| 21:27.10 | jakea | and I asked, and she did know what I was talking about |
| 21:28.23 | byron | that's great news. Did you ask how to complete the virus protection procedure |
| 21:29.00 | jakea | no, I must have been talking to her when you wrote that (Phone coord doesn't reach my new desk) |
| 21:29.13 | jakea | but she laughed when I asked |
| 21:32.28 | emcnabb | I should be nicer to the Canopy owned companies (see latest post) |
| 21:32.35 | emcnabb | (plug) |
| 21:32.55 | Hanuman | haven't gotten it yet |
| 21:33.30 | Hanuman | complex queries in M$ Access suck! No person should have to go through this - it shouldn't have to happen! |
| 21:34.16 | Hanuman | At least it works better than the last guy who actually was an Access programmer wrote it |
| 21:35.14 | Hanuman | M$ Access should allow direct access to the SQL of the connected db, rather than use it's own SQL language |
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| 21:38.44 | jsmith | It's awfully quiet in here... everyone must be at the theater |
| 21:38.52 | emcnabb | I'm around |
| 21:38.59 | emcnabb | not that that means anything |
| 21:40.00 | jsmith | Well... I'm waiting until early tomorrow morning to see it :-) |
| 21:41.34 | Hanuman | emcnabb: I couldn't bear it either (see my post) |
| 21:41.55 | Hanuman | Had to keep my options open, though (hence my last sentence) |
| 21:42.09 | jakea | I'm around... physically |
| 21:42.33 | jakea | just giving IT a bad time about required virus software |
| 21:43.15 | RyanE | we're watching TT *for work* |
| 21:43.28 | RyanE | Helms deep is just getting serious. |
| 21:45.13 | emcnabb | Hanuman, nice post :-) |
| 21:45.26 | emcnabb | RyanE, sounds like fun |
| 21:46.02 | RyanE | I have some other friends who are starting to watch Fellowship and TT, about now, back to back, then we're all going to see RotK tomorrow. |
| 21:46.20 | RyanE | a few too many hours for me to spend. |
| 21:46.33 | jsmith | I've got too much work to do between now and then... |
| 21:47.19 | Hanuman | PLUG is slow today - I still haven't gotten my message |
| 21:47.48 | jsmith | :-) |
| 21:48.33 | RyanE | Highland is close enough to count. |
| 21:48.33 | jsmith | That's why I smiled :-) |
| 21:48.36 | Hanuman | It's the hippest group in the US |
| 21:48.42 | jsmith | Oh yeah? |
| 21:48.52 | jsmith | If this is hip, then I'm really elbow... |
| 21:49.08 | Hanuman | I'm the rear-end |
| 21:49.27 | jakea | hmmm, this group better be as excited when Ep III comes out |
| 21:49.51 | jakea | cause if I have no one to bounce off the wall with, I'll be disappointed |
| 21:49.56 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 21:49.58 | | ACTION yawns. |
| 21:50.05 | jsmith | ~jsmith |
| 21:50.09 | | [jsmith] hungry |
| 21:50.38 | Hanuman | Now I have to buy another one? |
| 21:50.50 | jsmith | Uh, yeah... 2K4 has vehicles... |
| 21:50.53 | jakea | Never could get into Unreal |
| 21:51.04 | jsmith | We have "Frag Your Boss" days at work... |
| 21:51.15 | jakea | man, I want your job |
| 21:51.18 | Hanuman | that's what I hear - it sounds really cool |
| 21:51.22 | jsmith | ... and my boss lets me maintain an Unreal server |
| 21:51.28 | RyanE | we used to have paintball days. Frag your boss in RL. |
| 21:51.32 | jsmith | jakea: You can have it, for a price! |
| 21:51.39 | jsmith | RyanE: Real life? What's that? |
| 21:51.43 | RyanE | hehehe |
| 21:51.46 | Hanuman | Jayce used to be my boss (sorta) |
| 21:51.51 | RyanE | something we used to have a while back. |
| 21:51.59 | Hanuman | we had UT games every day after work then |
| 21:52.10 | jakea | jsmith: Maintain a CS server :) |
| 21:52.10 | Hanuman | He and my real boss would play during lunch hours all the time |
| 21:52.25 | jsmith | jakea: CS? Computer Science? |
| 21:52.32 | jakea | Counter Strike |
| 21:52.45 | jsmith | Oh... Counter-strike... Yeah, but then I'd have to run Windows... :-( |
| 21:52.45 | RyanE | aha |
| 21:52.54 | jakea | man, Half Life and Unreal folks are really two groups that have no clue the other exists |
| 21:53.03 | emcnabb | I thought you wanted to be an admin for a while jakea |
| 21:53.04 | jsmith | jakea: Amen! And for good reason... |
| 21:53.11 | jakea | no, their are HL linux servers |
| 21:53.14 | Hanuman | those were the days |
| 21:53.37 | Hanuman | jsmith: Counter-Strike works under wine |
| 21:53.43 | jakea | emcnabb: Ya, I tried to be an admin, darn politics getting in the way |
| 21:53.59 | jsmith | Hanuman: That's nice to know... |
| 21:54.13 | jakea | that was a year ago now so.... long forgotten |
| 21:54.14 | Hanuman | check google - I think there are a few howtos |
| 21:58.23 | jakea | emcnabb: I was an "unoffical admin" for the astronomy machinces over a year ago, but I don't plan on doing that much now that I'm back. I'm leaving it to andrew |
| 21:59.21 | emcnabb | jakea, they must have not liked how you uninstalled vim and only installed emacs :-) |
| 21:59.29 | jakea | heh |
| 22:00.02 | jakea | actually, I updated vim for them on a few machines cause it was having fits on Mandrake 8.2 |
| 22:00.11 | emcnabb | I love VIM |
| 22:00.15 | emcnabb | it rocks the house |
| 22:00.34 | jakea | I use both actually, but someone needs to stand up for RMS now that Halcrow is gone |
| 22:00.36 | RyanE | emcnabb... remember how I said vi was crashing on 2.6 test9? |
| 22:00.48 | RyanE | D'oh. I found out it was NOT vim... |
| 22:00.57 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:01.41 | jakea | in fact, most of knine.net was written in VIM |
| 22:02.45 | emcnabb | RyanE, what was it? |
| 22:03.17 | jakea | brb, rewiring office |
| 22:04.25 | RyanE | it was vi, not vim. Gentoo installed vi when I asked for vi. |
| 22:04.38 | RyanE | I emerge --unmerged it, emerged vim, and everything was fine. |
| 22:05.46 | jsmith | VIM rocks! |
| 22:05.54 | emcnabb | RyanE, cool |
| 22:05.58 | emcnabb | jsmith, oh yeah! |
| 22:06.19 | RyanE | yeah, I love VIM. |
| 22:09.58 | Bradipo | Hmm, if vim is president, what is emacs? |
| 22:10.36 | emcnabb | presidential janitor |
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| 22:20.53 | jsmith | emcnabb: At least that ruthless dictator wouldn't cause you to press CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-META-X-C-! |
| 22:21.07 | jakea | hmmm, so judging from the rash of replys about Ep III, no one cares about that... |
| 22:21.38 | jsmith | Ep iii... hmmmn... what is that? |
| 22:21.56 | jakea | jsmith: Much to learn, you still have |
| 22:22.11 | jsmith | Yes... I'm new here, OK?!? |
| 22:22.53 | jakea | Ep III: The as of yet un-named third movie in the second Star Wars Tilogy |
| 22:23.36 | jsmith | I see... Ep is short for Episode... |
| 22:23.41 | jakea | ya |
| 22:23.59 | jsmith | Ep II was *lame* with a capital STUPID! |
| 22:24.10 | jakea | hmmm |
| 22:24.17 | jakea | all hail Landru |
| 22:25.05 | jakea | Funny, I feel the same way about the second installment of LotR |
| 22:26.00 | Bradipo | What is EP III ? |
| 22:26.12 | jakea | <jakea> Ep III: The as of yet un-named third movie in the second Star Wars Tilogy |
| 22:26.31 | jakea | +r |
| 22:26.34 | Bradipo | Is it actually called Ep III? |
| 22:26.53 | jakea | well ya, like Attack of the Clones was Ep. II |
| 22:26.56 | Bradipo | Gotacha. |
| 22:26.57 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 22:26.58 | jakea | Episode II |
| 22:27.09 | jakea | but since there is not title for it yet... |
| 22:27.19 | jakea | I dunno.... "Rise of the Sith" |
| 22:27.30 | jakea | whatever Lucas says |
| 22:27.43 | jsmith | "Death of a Good Story" |
| 22:28.18 | jakea | what exactly don't you like about it? |
| 22:28.24 | jakea | no flames, just wondering |
| 22:29.35 | jsmith | That's a good question... it's too hard to explain... it was too... uh... For some reason, it seemed to "boy-band"ish to me... I don't know why I make that comparison, it's just what comes to mind. |
| 22:30.47 | jakea | boy-bandish? |
| 22:30.50 | jakea | ROFL |
| 22:30.57 | jakea | I can see where you are coming from there |
| 22:31.04 | jakea | for some odd reason |
| 22:31.41 | jsmith | I don't know how else to describe it... it was too "glossy"... too pointed at 12-year-olds... too predictable |
| 22:31.41 | Bradipo | I think the IV, V and VI were better. |
| 22:31.53 | Bradipo | There you go. |
| 22:32.00 | jakea | I guess I'm just a die hard fan, I thought the plot in Ep. II was quite good. Easy to win the war when you are on both sides |
| 22:32.21 | jsmith | jakea: Yeah... there was too much fake anger in Ep. II... |
| 22:32.30 | jakea | that I would agree with |
| 22:32.43 | jakea | -anger +acting for to be Vader |
| 22:33.50 | jakea | I did feel Lucas.... made Anikin going toward the dark side too soon in II, but overall, I liked it |
| 22:34.00 | jakea | Count Dooku was cool |
| 22:34.54 | jakea | although, call me weird, I liked Star Trek Nemesis, and most didn't, so... |
| 22:35.36 | jakea | although I could see how Berman had stirred the pot on what Stuard Baird wanted to do and messed things up... |
| 22:42.50 | jakea | I think I'm the only trekkie left that watches Enterprise too |
| 22:46.14 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 22:46.23 | jsmith | jakea: We have more in common than you think |
| 22:46.30 | jsmith | Enterprise rocks! |
| 22:46.36 | jsmith | I only have one complaint... |
| 22:46.54 | jsmith | Why do they have to have one crew-member take off their shirt on *every* episode? |
| 22:47.37 | emcnabb | die star trek die |
| 22:48.14 | Bradipo | I like Star Trek. |
| 22:48.22 | Bradipo | I don't like some of the newer ones though. |
| 22:48.32 | emcnabb | die star trek die |
| 22:48.34 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:48.49 | Bradipo | Live long and prosper. |
| 22:49.17 | emcnabb | um... yeah... |
| 22:51.34 | jakea | poor emcnabb |
| 22:52.22 | jakea | now now jsmith, you don't remember TOS, where 1 - Kirk looses his shirt in almost every episode and 2 - the women just don't wear shirts |
| 22:53.49 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:53.49 | emcnabb | plug is heating up today |
| 22:54.32 | emcnabb | jsmith, I sure do make a lot of people mad |
| 22:55.08 | jsmith | So, even though the topic would indicate otherwise, this *really* is just a PLUG hangout |
| 22:55.34 | jakea | PLUG / UUG I would say... |
| 22:55.36 | jsmith | What's in the PLUG mailing list that's got everyone so mad? |
| 22:55.40 | emcnabb | jakea then subscribes to the STLA (Star Trek Lovers Association) |
| 22:55.51 | emcnabb | canopy arguments |
| 22:56.08 | Bradipo | Again? |
| 22:56.12 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 22:56.13 | Bradipo | What's the argument this time? |
| 22:56.19 | jsmith | Canopy... that's what I put on my boat to keep the rain off! |
| 22:56.19 | emcnabb | vintela |
| 22:56.28 | Bradipo | My word... |
| 22:56.44 | emcnabb | he brought it up |
| 22:56.47 | jakea | that would be STFA (Star Trek Fan Association), and there would be NO WAY ON EARTH I'd join that. The founder is a few cans short of a six pack |
| 22:56.51 | emcnabb | the guy from vintela |
| 22:57.58 | Bradipo | What's the thread? |
| 22:58.09 | Bradipo | Er, thread subject... |
| 22:58.21 | emcnabb | entry level programming job... |
| 22:58.30 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
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| 22:58.32 | emcnabb | testing job... |
| 22:58.38 | jakea | the founder of the STFA wrote a review for Nemesis and was nitpicking it to death. He complained that the romulan ale was not the same color has previous movies. I would hope that jsmith is not that bad ;) |
| 22:58.53 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 22:59.05 | Bradipo | I don't see anything wrong in what the vintela guy did... |
| 22:59.20 | emcnabb | he didn't do anything wrong |
| 22:59.32 | emcnabb | he just asked if people didn't respond because of canopy |
| 22:59.37 | jsmith | I'm a semi-trekker... My wife, on the other hand, has watched the "Director's Commentary" to Star Trek II for the last two nights |
| 22:59.44 | Bradipo | Oh... |
| 22:59.47 | Bradipo | I'm still getting there. |
| 22:59.51 | emcnabb | jsmith, I'm sorry |
| 22:59.55 | Bradipo | Yeah, that's a lame thing to ask. :-) |
| 23:00.01 | emcnabb | haha |
| 23:00.09 | jakea | jsmith: That reminds me I need to watch my copy of that still |
| 23:00.20 | emcnabb | Bradipo, once again, don't take any of this personally :-) |
| 23:00.24 | jsmith | jakea: It's pretty good... |
| 23:00.30 | emcnabb | I think you're a great guy :-) |
| 23:00.57 | jakea | Canopy.... is this the same Canopy I am thinking of that is home of the Darl-leks? |
| 23:01.07 | Bradipo | I personally think Canopy will be around for a while. |
| 23:01.09 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 23:01.13 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 23:01.22 | emcnabb | and Canopy isn't bad |
| 23:01.34 | emcnabb | (investment companies / groups that is) |
| 23:01.36 | Bradipo | Hey, I used to love Dr. Who. |
| 23:01.36 | jakea | what is the company in Draper that is part of them.... |
| 23:01.42 | jakea | Linux Networks... |
| 23:01.51 | Bradipo | Yeah, I believe so. |
| 23:01.56 | Bradipo | I've done work with them before in the past. |
| 23:02.17 | emcnabb | it's just that they support Linux so much and then it seems like a backstab |
| 23:02.20 | levi | Linux Networx. |
| 23:02.26 | levi | That's where I work. |
| 23:02.29 | jakea | you'll like this one jsmith: |
| 23:02.32 | jakea | Darl-eks, The new poisoned sco-linux driven hegemony threatening the universe. |
| 23:02.32 | jakea | Controlled by the evil Darlross, a vile and shrivelled evil "genius", and |
| 23:02.32 | jakea | sent into the world to destroy all that is good and pure and beneficial to |
| 23:02.32 | jakea | mankind; spreading FUD with their battle-cry: |
| 23:02.33 | jakea | EXTORTION-ATE... EXTORTION-ATE... EXTORTION-ATE |
| 23:02.33 | emcnabb | they are a cool company (Linux Networx) |
| 23:03.08 | jakea | someone posted that on slashdot, credit to whoever that was |
| 23:04.28 | Bradipo | I guess everyone is welcome to their own freedom of speech... |
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| 23:05.53 | Bradipo | You don't see me calling IBM names and acting childish do you? |
| 23:06.59 | emcnabb | no, I don't |
| 23:07.10 | emcnabb | but you're not the one causing the ruccus |
| 23:07.35 | emcnabb | SCO is trying to tear down the open community, not you |
| 23:07.52 | Bradipo | I guess I am guilty of calling Bill Gates names. :-) |
| 23:08.00 | Bradipo | But that is for other reasons. |
| 23:08.08 | emcnabb | it's ok to sue IBM, just don't trash talk linux all the way and threaten to sue people who use it |
| 23:08.12 | emcnabb | haha |
| 23:08.21 | emcnabb | we all can hate Gates together :-) |
| 23:08.27 | Bradipo | I don't hate Bill. |
| 23:08.33 | Bradipo | I just hate his company. |
| 23:08.48 | Bradipo | Maybe if I worked there it would be different though. :-) |
| 23:08.49 | emcnabb | he's just a shrewed busniessman |
| 23:08.52 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 23:08.54 | Bradipo | Yes, indeed. |
| 23:09.35 | Bradipo | Apparently the Industry doesn't mind though. |
| 23:09.47 | Bradipo | If folks didn't like the products they wouldn't use them. |
| 23:10.07 | jakea | well.... |
| 23:10.43 | jakea | I know plenty of people who hate word and love word perfect that were forced to switch cause their company did and are still upset about it |
| 23:11.48 | jakea | in fact I know a few folks who snuck it back on their computers |
| 23:13.01 | emcnabb | Microsoft has been monopolistic though |
| 23:13.21 | emcnabb | the difference is they kill off any competition |
| 23:13.34 | emcnabb | so people pretty much have to use it |
| 23:15.01 | Bradipo | People actually still use Word Perfect? |
| 23:15.11 | emcnabb | there are a few |
| 23:15.13 | Bradipo | I thought my 70 year old father-in-law was the only one that still used it. |
| 23:15.19 | jakea | <--- still uses word perfect if he can |
| 23:15.32 | Bradipo | I use neither since I think word processors are lame. |
| 23:15.45 | emcnabb | I would say that pretty soon more people will be using OpenOffice than Wordperfect |
| 23:15.49 | jakea | WP 10 isn't half bad and I still consider the suite a better product that Office |
| 23:15.50 | emcnabb | Vim 4 ever! |
| 23:15.55 | Bradipo | If I have anything worth writing I do it in LaTeX (or LyX). |
| 23:16.14 | emcnabb | I wrote a doc for a class last week in LaTeX |
| 23:16.20 | emcnabb | the TA was impressed |
| 23:16.29 | emcnabb | I'm suprised more people don't use it |
| 23:16.32 | jakea | I wrote my master's thesis in Latex |
| 23:17.32 | jakea | someone had developed a class(?) for the BYU standard thesis binding mumbo jumbo and it was pretty simple to make it work |
| 23:19.08 | Bradipo | That's pretty cool. |
| 23:19.41 | Bradipo | TeX is even more powerful. |
| 23:19.50 | Bradipo | But it's a lot more work to write a document in TeX. |
| 23:19.59 | Bradipo | But a lot of fun if you have the time to invest. |
| 23:20.11 | jakea | any solution set I write for physics (*cough emcnabb cough*) I do in Latex. The method of writing out equations is cool in LaTex. Looks really good. |
| 23:20.13 | Bradipo | You know you're a geek when you enjoy learning TeX. |
| 23:25.27 | Bradipo | Here's an RMA form I wrote in plain TeX. |
| 23:25.36 | Bradipo | ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/b/bradipo/rma.ps |
| 23:26.12 | Bradipo | The yes/no boxes were pretty fun. |
| 23:27.29 | Bradipo | \def\yesnobox{\vbox{\hrule\hbox{\vrule\kern3pt |
| 23:27.29 | Bradipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.29 | Bradipo | \def\yesno{\dotfill\ Yes \yesnobox\ \quad No \yesnobox} |
| 23:27.36 | Bradipo | That's the code for the yes/no box. |
| 23:28.25 | Bradipo | Well, less the last line. |
| 23:28.36 | Bradipo | That last line is a macro that does it all in one command. |
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| 23:30.12 | jakea | oh cool, so then can you use \yesnobox where you need it and it'll use that code? |
| 23:30.18 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 23:30.35 | Bradipo | Well \yesnobox just creates the box. |
| 23:30.39 | jakea | ya |
| 23:30.44 | Bradipo | Maybe I should have called it checkbox. |
| 23:31.04 | jakea | man. now that I know I can do that, I can save time later on |
| 23:31.20 | jakea | darn jakea |
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