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| 01:50.46 | Jayce^ | lol even.. |
| 01:50.49 | Jayce^ | nice catch |
| 01:52.19 | Jayce^ | should get ldsoss to give that grandma some filtering software |
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| 03:21.18 | emcnabb | how do I subscribe someone to a list so they get a ton of spam? |
| 03:21.30 | emcnabb | my roommate (who is engaged) has a stalker |
| 03:28.55 | byron | emcnabb: you wouldn't be able to set up a procmail autoresponer to get rid of email's from her? |
| 03:29.19 | byron | or you could sign her up for a hotmail account |
| 03:38.20 | Hanuman_ | emcnabb: put their e-mail address on a website and submit it to google |
| 03:38.52 | Hanuman_ | the specific websites generate the most spam - ie hobby-oriented, certain target-audience-types |
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| 04:51.41 | uugDave | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 04:51.44 | | ACTION slaps emcnabb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:53.29 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 04:53.48 | uugDave | ~emcnabb |
| 04:53.49 | | extra, extra, read all about it, emcnabb is Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. the owner of blinky |
| 04:54.03 | uugDave | Is Blinky doing anything these days? |
| 04:54.10 | emcnabb | I actually don't own blinky anymore |
| 04:54.12 | emcnabb | or the rack |
| 04:54.25 | uugDave | Where'd they end up? |
| 04:54.32 | emcnabb | I sold it to Gabe for his dad's business |
| 04:54.37 | emcnabb | he really needed one |
| 04:54.40 | emcnabb | and I had one :-) |
| 04:54.57 | emcnabb | the rack that is |
| 04:55.05 | emcnabb | Blinky was part of the package |
| 04:55.13 | uugDave | Did they just end up throwing Blinky in the trash? |
| 04:55.18 | uugDave | Or melting it down for scrap metal? |
| 04:55.28 | emcnabb | I think they're going to scrap it for parts and play with it |
| 04:55.36 | emcnabb | contact him if you really want it ;-) |
| 04:56.23 | emcnabb | give it to Molly for something to climb and play on |
| 04:56.36 | uugDave | I think if I let my daughter play on that thing, that some human rights group would put her in a foster home... |
| 04:56.42 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 05:17.09 | uugDave | nighty night |
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| 14:14.31 | Hanuman | Foxtrot was good yesterday and today |
| 14:28.56 | hans | ibot,sing |
| 14:28.58 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 14:29.09 | hans | ibot, what are you singing? |
| 14:29.12 | | hans: I think you lost me on that one |
| 14:37.28 | Hanuman | is it hans's birthday today? |
| 15:11.44 | hans | it is |
| 15:23.15 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday to you...o/~ |
| 15:23.24 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday to you...o/~ |
| 15:23.38 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday dear hans!...o/~ |
| 15:23.50 | Hanuman | o/~Happy birthday to you~...o/~ |
| 15:24.21 | Hanuman | ROTK is a late b-day present then, I take it |
| 15:26.37 | hans | yup |
| 15:27.16 | hans | being a day after my birthday really made it a shoo-in. I didn't have to debate the $35 or being gone a whole day with my wife - I just said it will be for my birthday |
| 15:28.42 | Hanuman | Wasn't Joseph Smith born on the 15th? Or was that the 13th? |
| 15:32.27 | hans | 23 |
| 15:39.44 | Hanuman | I was way off there |
| 15:39.54 | Hanuman | well, I got the 3 right |
| 15:55.08 | hans | http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sony/spiderman2/ |
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| 15:57.15 | hans | Jayce^: what version of perl and perl-doc do you have installed on that debian box? (dpkg -l perl perl-doc) |
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| 16:00.53 | hans | w/in 6 |
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| 16:03.32 | emcnabb | hello, world |
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| 16:05.53 | hans | 24 hours until we enter the theater |
| 16:07.37 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:07.43 | emcnabb | well, two days for me |
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| 16:10.10 | sjansen | Less than 24 hours! |
| 16:12.57 | Hanuman | today is hans's b-day - we should add that to the topic |
| 16:14.49 | sjansen | Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Haaaaaaaaaannnnnss. Happy birthday to you. |
| 16:15.00 | sjansen | (Be thankful you only had to read that instead of listening to it.) |
| 16:19.30 | sjansen | And you didn't invite me? |
| 16:20.06 | sjansen | Must have been afraid my voice would carry all the way out east. |
| 16:20.47 | hans | thank you all |
| 16:21.43 | Hanuman | sjansen: I'm surprised you didn't hear it out there - it was ugly. I sang at the top of my lungs |
| 16:22.02 | Hanuman | Anyone read yesterday's Foxtrot? |
| 16:22.05 | sjansen | Must have still been sleeping. |
| 16:22.23 | sjansen | http://www.unix-girl.com/blog/archives/001273.html - Amazing. |
| 16:23.44 | bonez39 | if I want to compile a very lean kernel......can I exclude all the devices and stuff that I don't use, when running make menuconfig? is that the place to cut the fat? |
| 16:25.31 | Hanuman | sjansen: I hate that - Ximian does it too - won't work w/ Fedora because of that (at least the last time I tried) |
| 16:28.54 | hans | bonez39: yes |
| 16:42.46 | brailsmt_work | bonez39: yeah, you can really trim a kernel with rolling your own kernel... |
| 16:43.18 | brailsmt_work | and it also can really cut down on the time to compile a new kernel... |
| 16:43.47 | brailsmt_work | another place to trim down in the kernel is filesystems |
| 16:45.29 | brailsmt_work | all you really need is ext2/3, cdrom, and maybe support for MS filesystems... |
| 16:46.10 | hans | make sure you do ext2/3 as 'Yes' and not just modules, unless you want headaches or enjoy making initrds (you don't) |
| 16:47.35 | brailsmt_work | yeah, and if you happen to need another FS in the future, just compile the module without needing to recompile the whole kernel... |
| 16:51.14 | Hanuman | anyone ever tried jfs? |
| 16:53.00 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.23 | brailsmt_work | well, I can only speak for myself, not everyone... ;) |
| 16:55.24 | brailsmt_work | i was trying to type 'short' but it came out as if this was applied to 'short'... s/or/i/ |
| 16:55.27 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 16:55.54 | brailsmt_work | of course gcc crapped out when trying to compile it :D |
| 16:56.09 | Hanuman | lol |
| 16:56.17 | sjansen | I expect presents from everyone in line. |
| 16:57.31 | sjansen | Is she single? If not, no dice. |
| 16:57.31 | brailsmt_work | sjansen's expectations and reality do not conincide... |
| 16:58.09 | brailsmt_work | sjansen must have taken the play from the the Darl McBride "How to win friends" best selling self help book... |
| 16:58.15 | brailsmt_work | :D |
| 17:00.15 | brailsmt_work | wait, isn't it "How to Win Friends and Influence People" *sigh* |
| 17:00.30 | bonez39 | hans: about rolling my own...I have tried that in the past, and have ended up with a system that 1) doesn't have network connection or 2) leaves other systems that currently work, non-functioning |
| 17:00.36 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah, she's single, and she better remain that way at least until she's 18 in 4 years |
| 17:00.41 | emcnabb | I have a friend who is renting out a theater in pleasent grove for LOTR (Wed 12:50 PM) |
| 17:00.48 | emcnabb | if anyone wants tickets, let me know |
| 17:00.52 | emcnabb | %5.50 |
| 17:00.56 | emcnabb | $5.50 |
| 17:00.57 | bonez39 | do I need to just keep a copy of my current and working .config file available to check for the things that matter? |
| 17:01.59 | brailsmt_work | sjansen: i bet she would think its cool if she was going out with a "college guy" :D |
| 17:02.01 | hans | bonez39: the key is not to take out too many. :) |
| 17:02.31 | Hanuman | sjansen: no, I meant send me a present for her b-day |
| 17:02.45 | brailsmt_work | i always thought "college guys" that went out with HS girls were losers... |
| 17:02.49 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 17:02.55 | sjansen | Hanuman: Much as I like you, I just don't think it'd work out. |
| 17:03.05 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: especially ones that date my baby sister |
| 17:03.30 | Hanuman | sjansen: you don't even have to date me ;-) |
| 17:03.51 | Hanuman | oh yeah |
| 17:03.57 | brailsmt_work | at least bball is good... |
| 17:03.57 | Hanuman | that was nice - think they'll make top 25? |
| 17:04.01 | bonez39 | hans: or rather, to not take out the ones critical to running one's system.. |
| 17:04.05 | brailsmt_work | the fball team blows chunks lately |
| 17:04.24 | Hanuman | although they *almost* beat USC |
| 17:04.31 | brailsmt_work | actually, they have become quite adept at dropping the ball... (pun intended) |
| 17:04.35 | bonez39 | hans: I guess just experience tells me which I need, right? would a review of dmesg or of /var/log/messages help in determining which I should retain? |
| 17:05.01 | hans | bonez39: a careful perusal of lspci -v and lsmod should be a good start. |
| 17:05.10 | brailsmt_work | they have implemented a new "charitable" offense that is more inline with gospel teachings :D |
| 17:05.16 | hans | dmesg too. |
| 17:05.38 | bonez39 | hans: ok. |
| 17:06.29 | brailsmt_work | can anyone ssh to brailsmt.homelinux.org? just try foobar@brailsmt.homelinux.org.... I just need to know if you get a response... |
| 17:07.33 | Hanuman | anyone know when the polls get updated for bball? |
| 17:08.07 | hans | brailsmt_work: no response |
| 17:08.32 | brailsmt_work | hans: thx... |
| 17:09.08 | sjansen | brailsmt_work: Neither from on-campus nor off. |
| 17:10.21 | hans | /win 6 |
| 17:10.25 | brailsmt_work | i guess my firewall config got reset... |
| 17:18.28 | Hanuman | hans: I just do alt-6 to go to window 6 |
| 17:20.38 | hans | your window manager doesn't steal alt-number |
| 17:21.48 | brailsmt_work | very true |
| 17:22.53 | Hanuman | true |
| 17:23.30 | Jayce^ | hans, interesting that it works for that guy (on 5.8.2) but not for me, on mine.. I have the correct files. |
| 17:23.51 | brailsmt_work | you guys see foxtrot for today? |
| 17:24.47 | brailsmt_work | or yesterday for that matter... |
| 17:28.44 | hans | Jayce^: you should follow up by replying to 223590@bugs.debian.org with that info |
| 17:30.54 | sjansen | Bummer. Oracle supports COBOL on Linux. |
| 17:34.26 | brailsmt_work | well, a single line more, i should say... |
| 17:34.54 | brailsmt_work | i actually had to learn cobol in HS... |
| 17:35.25 | brailsmt_work | of course that was 12 years ago, but still, cobol was ancient even then... |
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| 17:39.40 | sjansen | It's not about being ancient. C is ancient. It's about being painful. And expensive. |
| 17:41.14 | emcnabb | B came before C |
| 17:41.27 | brailsmt_work | B -> C -> C++ |
| 17:41.52 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 17:43.38 | sjansen | Yes, cobol is older than C. |
| 17:44.21 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: I was just showing that Foxtrot (yesterday's) to my wife - she couldn't believe the similarities |
| 17:44.23 | brailsmt_work | i was under the impression that cobol was written in the late 50s |
| 17:44.40 | brailsmt_work | maybe early 60s |
| 17:45.14 | brailsmt_work | i could be totally wrong though... |
| 17:46.38 | Bradipo | Any of you manage large networks? |
| 17:48.31 | hans | Bradipo: does two computers count? :) |
| 17:49.34 | sjansen | Nah, all the people that do real work are off doing real work right now. ;-) |
| 17:50.18 | brailsmt_work | do you want the answer like i would put on a resume, or a straight up answer? :D |
| 17:50.40 | Hanuman | does 25 computers count as a large network? |
| 17:51.27 | brailsmt_work | running a home network, becomes "adminstering a network including a web server, email, and security measures" |
| 17:51.35 | brailsmt_work | :D |
| 17:56.45 | Bradipo | 2 hosts not big enough. :-) |
| 18:04.29 | emcnabb | Bradipo, I help run the CS department network (with Frank, Byron, etc) |
| 18:04.58 | emcnabb | we have ~10-15 servers + ~300-350 lab machines |
| 18:05.00 | sjansen | Bradipo: What exactly are you looking for? |
| 18:05.18 | bartaway | I coordinated the lastest SCO DDOS attack. that involved managing a lot of nodes. |
| 18:08.35 | Bradipo | Basically just wanted you all to see if you had any compromised hosts that were possibly participating in the DoS. |
| 18:08.59 | Bradipo | If you could check for spoofed traffic from your networks hitting our webserver at 216.250.128.12 that would be most helpful. |
| 18:09.08 | Bradipo | But Newsome already said that he hadn't seen anything. |
| 18:09.51 | Bradipo | bartaway: that really isn't that funny. |
| 18:12.45 | Hanuman | Bradipo: can you tell what OS the DoS machines are running? |
| 18:12.52 | sjansen | Right |
| 18:12.57 | sjansen | about.... |
| 18:13.03 | sjansen | now. |
| 18:13.28 | Jayce^ | right about now... the funk so... oh sorry... |
| 18:13.30 | sjansen | The police should be kicking down bartw's door and carting him off to Lindon for questioning. |
| 18:14.07 | Bradipo | If I didn't think that bart was just poking fun I would have already sent the info to the SS. |
| 18:14.27 | Hanuman | SS? Secret-Service? |
| 18:14.38 | sjansen | Think Nazis. |
| 18:15.23 | Hanuman | Oh - the other Secret-Service |
| 18:15.57 | HarleyPig | What was it? ... steurmschlassalan? |
| 18:16.16 | Hanuman | Secret PoliceS |
| 18:16.26 | Hanuman | s/P/p/ |
| 18:16.44 | Bradipo | If you all haven't read the news, we are working with the SS. :-) |
| 18:17.10 | Hanuman | I thought they were all taken off as POW's |
| 18:17.18 | Jayce^ | SS? didn't now that was their area.. |
| 18:17.58 | HarleyPig | ? do tell |
| 18:18.10 | Jayce^ | that get traded out during the big homeland change? |
| 18:18.27 | Bradipo | We have learned that both LEO handle these types of things. |
| 18:18.28 | HarleyPig | Schutzstaffeln |
| 18:18.33 | Jayce^ | we had one, but as was proven, it was the stupidity of the client (set their password to a simple one) |
| 18:18.44 | Jayce^ | LEO? |
| 18:18.54 | Bradipo | Law Enforcement Office. |
| 18:18.57 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 18:19.06 | Jayce^ | nifty, cool to know |
| 18:19.09 | Bradipo | FBI and SS both handle these types of attacks. |
| 18:19.24 | Bradipo | The SS has a Cyber Task Force that works on them. |
| 18:19.29 | Bradipo | I imagine the FBI has the same. |
| 18:19.31 | Jayce^ | the client also had it written down, on their desk, and it was an ex vp who had seen it that got on their box |
| 18:19.43 | sjansen | The Secret Service actually works with economic stuff too. Counterfeiting, etc. |
| 18:19.55 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:19.57 | emcnabb | Bradipo, so any progress on stopping the DoS? |
| 18:19.59 | Hanuman | Why doesn't the NSA handle stuff like that? |
| 18:20.16 | Bradipo | emcnabb: Not yet, that's why I'm asking if any of you have seen any spoofed traffic hitting ours. :-) |
| 18:20.35 | emcnabb | haha |
| 18:20.47 | sjansen | NSA is more concerned with signal monitoring. |
| 18:21.15 | Hanuman | ah - I think they should just handle all e-security issues |
| 18:21.20 | Bradipo | And covert communication channels. |
| 18:22.08 | Bradipo | Hey, if you guys are ever in the need of a job, the FBI and SS are looking for computer expertise. |
| 18:22.12 | Bradipo | As well as NSA. |
| 18:22.39 | Bradipo | Oh, yeah. |
| 18:22.41 | sjansen | Had a co-worker apply for an NSA position. Dropped out 'cause the pay wasn't worth the hoops. |
| 18:22.41 | Hanuman | I've thought about it |
| 18:22.44 | Bradipo | I forgot that they require a degree. |
| 18:23.10 | Hanuman | My dad's Bishop in Northern VA is in charge of hiring the Consultants for the CIA |
| 18:23.33 | Hanuman | Hey Bradipo sco.com isn't coming up... |
| 18:24.54 | Bradipo | Hanuman: Yeah, it's currently blocked at the moment because it is undergoing a DDoS. |
| 18:25.04 | synic | Ruby is really weird. |
| 18:25.12 | synic | dir = Dir.open( "/home/synic/htdocs" ).grep /\.php$/ do |file| |
| 18:25.12 | synic | puts file |
| 18:25.12 | synic | end |
| 18:25.28 | sjansen | Cool, ain't it? :-) |
| 18:25.33 | synic | would print all the php files in /home/synic/htdocs to stdout |
| 18:25.36 | Hanuman | that's weird |
| 18:25.48 | Bradipo | Wow, that is weird. |
| 18:26.31 | sjansen | Nah. That's very readable if you've read even just an intro to Ruby. |
| 18:26.41 | synic | looks like the language has some really cool stuff though |
| 18:26.51 | Bradipo | I understand what it is doing, but the syntax is just interesting. |
| 18:26.57 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 18:27.37 | Hanuman | looks earily like Java in some ways |
| 18:28.10 | synic | hrmm... even vim is having trouble highlighting it correctly |
| 18:28.52 | sjansen | Hanuman: Sure doesn't to me. |
| 18:29.11 | sjansen | If that's been Java, it would have been at least 15 lines long. |
| 18:29.36 | Hanuman | not if it was just function calls |
| 18:34.49 | bartw | I got part way through the FBI hiring process. |
| 18:34.57 | bartw | true they're looking for CS guys. |
| 18:35.06 | bartw | also true that it doesn't pay squat. |
| 18:35.30 | bartw | the pay as well as not wanting to move to the east coast made me stop. |
| 18:36.03 | Hanuman | bartw: I hear that's a pretty grueling process |
| 18:36.03 | bartw | but getting to pack a gun and shoot people is worth a pretty hefty pay cut... |
| 18:36.23 | Hanuman | also, the pay is better for consultants and non-agents from what I hear |
| 18:38.42 | bartw | and the process is sloooooowwwww. |
| 18:38.58 | bartw | you fill out a form on the web that asks if you've ever smoked pot in a dozen different ways. |
| 18:39.17 | bartw | and you'll be lucky to hear back from them in 8 months. |
| 18:40.01 | bartw | by the time I was invited to an interview a had long since quit SCO and found a new job (so was no longer looking). |
| 18:43.02 | Hanuman | I hear the first interview is just the beginning of the process, too |
| 18:43.12 | bartw | I'm sure it is |
| 18:44.00 | tensai | I applied for the FBI. changed my mind once they selected me for an interview. Hanuman's right. It's a long process. |
| 18:45.48 | Hanuman | My cousin is in the US customs agency (whatever it's called) - he says there's a lot of computer jobs there, too |
| 19:01.59 | Bradipo | There are a lot of computer jobs in all the agencies. |
| 19:02.17 | Bradipo | Because they don't hire folks without degrees. :-) |
| 19:07.21 | brailsmt_work | synic: you have an old vim syntax file for ruby if it is having a hard time highlighting it... |
| 19:07.38 | brailsmt_work | the syntax file for ruby went unmaintained for a long time... |
| 19:07.53 | brailsmt_work | i believe that highlights ruby 1.4 vorrectly |
| 19:08.36 | brailsmt_work | there is an update at rubygarden.org |
| 19:09.46 | brailsmt_work | and i always prefer {} to do..end, or begin..end |
| 19:10.12 | brailsmt_work | just me though, some ppl think [] is heresy... i think they are stupid... :) |
| 19:10.22 | brailsmt_work | tr/[]/{} |
| 19:14.11 | sjansen | The one nice thing about do end is that they're larger tokens, easier to scan. |
| 19:14.55 | brailsmt_work | but who's eyes aren't trained to spot {}? mine are and any other C/C++/Java programmer is sure used to seeing {}... |
| 19:24.45 | levi | C/C++/Java have forever poisoned computer language design. :( |
| 19:28.21 | Moeser | poisoned is such a strong word... i gave that honor to vbscript |
| 19:30.02 | levi | I'm just saying, it's nearly impossible to get people to actually use a language unless it's got syntax like C/C++/Java. |
| 19:30.50 | hans | sjansen: re: the kicking, the guy dropped the f-bomb and we discussed it on -officers and unsubscribed him (and blocked that address, but obviously not the whole domain) |
| 19:31.55 | hans | we are still a BYUSA club and even if we weren't that sort of thing really shouldn't be tolerated on a BYU sponsored club's list |
| 19:32.11 | emcnabb | hans, exactly |
| 19:32.31 | hans | as for the guy himself, we're letting him stay for now unless he misbehaves. I bet he will though, judging by his website (quantifier.org) |
| 19:35.09 | brailsmt_work | hans: nice website... *cough* *cough* *hack* |
| 19:35.38 | brailsmt_work | he needs to read Rainbow Six... :) |
| 19:35.58 | hans | sorry, should have warned you all. ;-) |
| 19:36.10 | hans | not-entirely-clothed woman at above mentioned website |
| 19:36.28 | brailsmt_work | no nudity though... though about as close as one can come... |
| 19:37.22 | hans | as in victoria's secret level |
| 19:37.29 | brailsmt_work | hans: well said |
| 19:37.49 | hans | ~lart victoria's secret in the mall |
| 19:37.51 | brailsmt_work | cscope + quickfix == heaven on earth |
| 19:38.08 | Hanuman | he now has in his logs each one of you that went and looked just to see... |
| 19:38.16 | hans | brailsmt_work: true heaven would be a cscope-like deal that understands more languages than just c and c++ |
| 19:38.34 | brailsmt_work | hans: yeah, but at least for C/C++ it is great :) |
| 19:38.34 | sjansen | I kinda like Victoria's Secret. It's interesting to sit near it and watch people walk by. Especially guys with a female at their side. |
| 19:38.41 | brailsmt_work | lol |
| 19:38.58 | hans | sjansen: heh, and what do you see? |
| 19:39.03 | brailsmt_work | i used to feel awkward walking in there... |
| 19:39.12 | brailsmt_work | now i feel downright out of place :) |
| 19:39.37 | brailsmt_work | though my wife likes their mens cologne... (so that is what i wear...) |
| 19:41.27 | sjansen | Some suddenly discover something very intersting on the opposite side of the hall. Others suddenly can't look anywhere else. Some don't notice. And others try not to be noticed noticing. |
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| 19:42.10 | brailsmt_work | ...and sjansen just sits there staring when ppl aren't walking by |
| 19:42.17 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 19:42.36 | brailsmt_work | you can't pull the wool over my eyes.. |
| 19:43.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it all changes when you get married.. |
| 19:43.39 | brailsmt_work | yeah, you walk by and say "Hey, wanna get something?" |
| 19:43.43 | brailsmt_work | :D |
| 19:44.04 | Hanuman | my wife is allergic to their cologne |
| 19:44.08 | sjansen | I'm actually one of those that suddenly discovers the store on the other side very intersting. |
| 19:44.30 | Hanuman | They allow men to apply - I tried once when I was in high school just to see what they'd say |
| 19:45.01 | brailsmt_work | lol, I would pay to see a man giving a woman fitting advice... |
| 19:45.11 | brailsmt_work | especially a HS kid... |
| 19:45.35 | Hanuman | we used to do funny things in malls - we'd have contests to see who could get the most phone numbers and do guys against girls |
| 19:45.47 | sjansen | Hanuman: Don't leave us in suspense. What'd they say? |
| 19:45.49 | Hanuman | extra points for getting applications from certain stores |
| 19:46.08 | Hanuman | sjansen: I didn't ever really apply, but they happily gave me an application |
| 19:47.24 | Hanuman | I'm assuming that meant they took applications from men |
| 19:54.58 | hans | or the application form-giver wanted a good laugh at your expense. ;-) |
| 19:56.18 | sjansen | So who is Sean and does he still need a ride to LoTR? |
| 19:57.49 | Hanuman | hans: probably |
| 19:57.59 | Hanuman | we had fun doing it, though |
| 19:58.39 | Hanuman | I did that mall activity with a date once (minus the applications) - it was a double-date - the girls didn't find it that amusing |
| 19:58.42 | Hanuman | they won, though |
| 19:59.03 | Hanuman | luckily I was really good friends with the girl and she still went out with me again |
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| 20:12.19 | Hanuman | anyone know if itunes carries Erasure's "Other People's Songs"? |
| 20:12.30 | Jayce^ | not a clue... |
| 20:12.38 | Jayce^ | along with everything else :) |
| 20:12.46 | Jayce^ | just grabbed their new 'best of' album |
| 20:12.56 | Jayce^ | but I really want their 4 singles compilations |
| 20:13.05 | Hanuman | Jayce^: yes, but do you *own* it? |
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| 20:13.20 | Jayce^ | dont' have the new one yet.. |
| 20:13.28 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you remember me and my erasure collection.. |
| 20:14.02 | Jayce^ | don't have a copy of loveboat (real copy) still, that one is so tough to find, and for a decent price (import to the us) |
| 20:14.08 | Jayce^ | hah.. whatever.. |
| 20:14.21 | Hanuman | just jkg - I know you have a ton of CD's |
| 20:14.28 | levi | I used to see Loveboat all the time at Media Play, if I remember correctly. |
| 20:14.51 | levi | I think it was in the techno section. |
| 20:15.06 | Jayce^ | levi, they had a copy, yeah, techno.. heh.. but they wanted like $25-30 for it |
| 20:15.20 | Jayce^ | vince clark rules |
| 20:15.31 | levi | Well, that's the price you pay for imports, unfortunately. |
| 20:15.43 | Hanuman | I used to own alot more, but sold them all before my mission |
| 20:16.02 | Hanuman | I need to check out the used CD store nearby sometime and see what I can find |
| 20:16.08 | Jayce^ | problem is, the only reason it's an 'import' is maverick didn't want to bother with it in the US.. |
| 20:16.29 | levi | Well, that's generally why albums are imports. |
| 20:16.34 | Jayce^ | that's why they've had crap for promotion.. maverick decided they weren't cool enough for the US .. |
| 20:17.00 | levi | It's true; there's not much of a US market for Erasure these days. |
| 20:18.10 | Jayce^ | well, that's because they aren't given radio time or anythig |
| 20:18.19 | Hanuman | wait till our generation "grows up" - there will be more demand |
| 20:19.31 | levi | Well, although I like Erasure, there are a lot of things I'd like to hear on the radio before them. |
| 20:20.45 | levi | But I'm under no illusion that a lot of the music I like would have a very large appeal, even if it got a lot of radio play. |
| 20:21.07 | levi | Sadly, that's the only REM CD I have. It's good, though. |
| 20:21.13 | Hanuman | it's a tough battle for me - Erasure or REM |
| 20:21.28 | Hanuman | It's my second, but I've decided to build my collection |
| 20:22.02 | Jayce^ | REM is allright, but so much of their stuff sounds the same |
| 20:22.11 | Jayce^ | but hey, they both have gay lead singers :) |
| 20:22.29 | Hanuman | When it doesn't sound the same, though, they have some really good songs |
| 20:22.44 | Hanuman | like "It's the End of the World as we Know it..." |
| 20:22.45 | Jayce^ | erasure or DM :) |
| 20:22.49 | Hanuman | or "Superman" |
| 20:22.56 | Hanuman | DM's a close fight as well |
| 20:23.19 | Jayce^ | then after that you get bands like the cure, camouflage, psb, tmbg, etc.. |
| 20:23.22 | Jayce^ | new order. |
| 20:23.51 | Hanuman | New order comes second to Erasure, DM, REM |
| 20:24.09 | levi | I'd rank New Order above those others. |
| 20:24.12 | Hanuman | sadly, most of my DM and Erasure albums are on tape |
| 20:24.25 | Jayce^ | new order is way good.. |
| 20:24.50 | Hanuman | Electronic is alot like New Order |
| 20:25.00 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, gee, I wonder why :) |
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| 20:25.12 | Jayce^ | almost a perfect mix of PSB and new order for *some* strange reason :) |
| 20:25.34 | Hanuman | I learned the story of them once - same singers? |
| 20:26.13 | levi | Electronic, Revenge, Monaco, and The Other Two all sound a lot like New Order. |
| 20:26.30 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, one guy from each band.. |
| 20:26.44 | Jayce^ | joy division :) |
| 20:26.57 | Hanuman | ahhh... |
| 20:27.22 | lukfugl | Jayce^: is that the name of the band with one from each... joy division? |
| 20:27.32 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, no, electronic |
| 20:27.54 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, joy division was new order, before new order (before the lead singer killed himself, I think it was) |
| 20:27.58 | lukfugl | oh, really. I only know one of their (Electronic's) songs, but I love it |
| 20:28.03 | Jayce^ | OD' or something like that.. |
| 20:28.39 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/music/D-H/electronic/electronic/ (just to view it, dont' have much transfer rate though) |
| 20:29.12 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/music/N-R/New Order/ |
| 20:29.23 | Jayce^ | Warsaw -> Joy Division -> New Order |
| 20:29.34 | Jayce^ | they have some more than that... friend has them all |
| 20:29.37 | Hanuman | I have that album |
| 20:29.57 | Hanuman | that's their self-named, right? |
| 20:29.58 | lukfugl | that's a load-a-80's right there :) I'm jealous |
| 20:30.09 | Hanuman | green-cover |
| 20:30.13 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, that aint nothing.. |
| 20:30.15 | Hanuman | neon-green |
| 20:30.28 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, yeah, I lost most of my covers during the mission.. |
| 20:30.47 | Jayce^ | otherwise I'd scan them in for all these (this displays the the cover art if you have it) |
| 20:31.04 | lukfugl | Jayce^: yeah, but it's more than I got (though I do have a lot of rare/live PSB that I kifed of an ex-coworker's hard drive before installing it in the dev server :) |
| 20:31.07 | Hanuman | I really miss my Pet Shop boys album, too - need to get some more of them |
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| 20:31.25 | Jayce^ | now, if you want to see some serious 80's.. check out this dir :) |
| 20:31.27 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/music/D-H/depeche_mode/ |
| 20:31.43 | neybar_work | I used to have every PSB album before like 95, they seem to have dissapeared during my mission though |
| 20:31.44 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/music/N-R/New Order/ <- (reposting for levi) |
| 20:31.50 | Hanuman | One of my favorites is the classic beastie boys album with "Fight for your Right" on it |
| 20:31.57 | Jayce^ | neybar_work, got a friend with *everything* psb has done.. including solo stuff |
| 20:32.08 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, actually, does joey still work with you? |
| 20:32.19 | Jayce^ | the designer? |
| 20:32.20 | Hanuman | neybar_work: it's amazing how things dissapear during your mission, isn't it? |
| 20:32.33 | lukfugl | no. Unfortunate story -- he was a good kid. I don't know all the details |
| 20:32.36 | neybar_work | not really amazing, I know the culprit... |
| 20:32.37 | lukfugl | I miss him |
| 20:32.56 | Hanuman | neybar_work: mine was my brother - yours? |
| 20:33.05 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, yeah, he worked with me a long time... he was a PSB freak.. |
| 20:33.14 | Jayce^ | he and I traded a lot of stuff back in the day |
| 20:33.19 | neybar_work | Hanuman: my mom, I guess that was a good time for her to clean out my heathen music. :-) |
| 20:33.41 | Hanuman | maybe that's what happened to the stuff I can't figure out |
| 20:33.46 | Jayce^ | he always claimed that PSB was better than erasure because 'two gays are better than one' in a band :) |
| 20:33.55 | lukfugl | lol |
| 20:34.42 | lukfugl | I always wondered whether the PSB keyboardist was gay or not, I suspected so |
| 20:34.53 | Jayce^ | oh yes.. they are both very much gay.. |
| 20:34.57 | Jayce^ | just not with each other |
| 20:35.00 | neybar_work | _very_ gay |
| 20:35.02 | lukfugl | heh |
| 20:35.16 | Jayce^ | they are both as much as andy bell is on his own.. |
| 20:37.01 | lukfugl | hmmm, well it doesn't look like Hans is alive right now. I'll have to get back to him later on jabber. Time for work again :( Thanks for the 80's chat :) |
| 20:37.10 | Hanuman | anyone know when the 2 polls update themselves for college basketball? |
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| 20:54.53 | sjansen | What is this basketball thing? |
| 20:55.19 | sjansen | Oh, wait, I think I saw it once. Is it a type of video game? |
| 20:55.25 | tensai | it's kinda like bzflag only no tanks |
| 20:55.40 | sjansen | No tanks?! But what would be the point? |
| 20:55.53 | tensai | that's why it's never really taken off |
| 20:56.21 | sjansen | So why would anyone bother posting a poll about it? |
| 20:58.38 | tensai | Q. bzflag vs. basketball |
| 20:58.38 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.38 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.52 | Jayce^ | updated wiki.. |
| 21:00.03 | Jayce^ | anybody ever see that 'slamball' game? |
| 21:02.01 | emcnabb | I need to digitize some video tapes; anyone have equiptment I can do that with? |
| 21:02.17 | Jayce^ | art did some for the protest |
| 21:02.27 | emcnabb | ok, I'll talk to him |
| 21:04.13 | Hanuman | emcnabb: I do, but you've got to come get them |
| 21:04.20 | Hanuman | s/them/it/ |
| 21:05.00 | Hanuman | I love it: |
| 21:05.07 | Hanuman | Saddam: FROM (dbo_tblCwdItems INNER JOIN dbo_tblCwdGroups ON dbo_tblCwdItems.itemGroupNum = dbo_tblCwdGroups.groupID) LEFT JOIN dbo_tblMasterItems ON (dbo_tblCwdItems.ItemNum = dbo_tblMasterItems.ItemNum) AND (dbo_tblCwdItems.Color = dbo_tblMasterItems.Color) AND (dbo_tblCwdItems.Size = dbo_tblMasterItems.Size) |
| 21:05.14 | Hanuman | oops - wrong paste |
| 21:05.31 | Hanuman | you guys didn't see the dbo's in there |
| 21:05.32 | Jayce^ | Saddam 'eh?.. |
| 21:06.03 | Hanuman | Saddam: "I'm Saddam Hussein" |
| 21:06.16 | Hanuman | Saddam: "'m the president of Iraq and I'm willing to negotiate." |
| 21:06.43 | Hanuman | Troop: "President Bush sends his regards" |
| 21:07.25 | sjansen | There goes Hanuman, contributing proprietary code again. |
| 21:07.41 | Hanuman | shhh...don't tell |
| 21:08.02 | Hanuman | I'm actually trying to write complex queries using Micro$oft Access |
| 21:08.17 | Hanuman | connecting to M$ SQL Server |
| 21:08.46 | tensai | and we all feel sorry for you |
| 21:08.56 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, thinking I'm reading the story you just read :) |
| 21:09.18 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.25 | Jayce^ | imagine what coulda happened :) |
| 21:09.29 | Hanuman | yeah - you reading it on yahoo? |
| 21:09.45 | Hanuman | it's a Reuters story so it could be anywhere |
| 21:09.53 | Hanuman | no kidding |
| 21:10.14 | Hanuman | except I think the opening conversation made it all worth keeping him alive |
| 21:11.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, great line from the soldier.. |
| 21:11.50 | sjansen | Link? |
| 21:12.12 | Jayce^ | http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/15/international/16CND-CAPT.html?ex=1072155600&en=1eb8e81bf72904c2&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE |
| 21:12.32 | HarleyPig | http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5Q0DMCDVKPCN4CRBAEOCFEY?type=topNews&storyID=3996284 |
| 21:12.48 | Hanuman | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20031215/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_arrest_dc |
| 21:14.12 | sjansen | Ask and ye shall receive, sit on your keister and it shall come unto you. |
| 21:14.12 | HarleyPig | "We were about to clear that UGF (underground facility) in a military sort of way," Hickey said. "He was wise not to wait too long." |
| 21:14.16 | HarleyPig | :D :D :D |
| 21:14.20 | emcnabb | lazy sjansen |
| 21:14.48 | Hanuman | That was one of the best articles I've seen so far on the capture |
| 21:14.50 | HarleyPig | what a typically funny military way of saying they were gonna blow a hole in that hole. |
| 21:15.30 | HarleyPig | I wonder what kind of ointment that was in the hut. Hmmmm .... |
| 21:16.22 | HarleyPig | Another nice quote: "He's the best gunner in the troop, so he was a bit disappointed." |
| 21:17.07 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:17.21 | Jayce^ | ~sjansen |
| 21:17.22 | | sjansen is probably one guy who really knows where his towel is |
| 21:17.41 | Jayce^ | ibot sjansen is also Ask and ye shall receive, sit on your keister and it shall come unto you. |
| 21:17.43 | | cannot alter locked factoids, Jayce^ |
| 21:17.43 | | You are moron #12, Jayce^ |
| 21:17.53 | Jayce^ | locked? |
| 21:19.05 | sjansen | It pays to read the manual. |
| 21:19.17 | Hanuman | my name won't lock |
| 21:19.23 | Hanuman | ibot won't allow it for some reason |
| 21:19.24 | | Hanuman: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:19.51 | HarleyPig | ibot, it is a pimple. |
| 21:19.53 | | HarleyPig: what are you talking about? |
| 21:20.03 | HarleyPig | ibot, I dunno. What am I talking about. |
| 21:20.09 | | HarleyPig: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:20.16 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:20.26 | Hanuman | Anyone tried playing America's Army on Linux? |
| 21:22.04 | emcnabb | Hanuman, yeah, and it worked really well |
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