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| 00:32.13 | emcnabb | bytheway, how much longer do you have left in school? |
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| 01:36.08 | hans | ironic. I'm just about to do geology homework involving seismology |
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| 04:30.24 | tensai | hans: the sourdough arrived! |
| 04:36.29 | bytheway | emcnabb? |
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| 14:06.35 | Hanuman | o/~I'm all shook up...o/~ |
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| 14:09.18 | Hanuman | TigerDirect has a 4 port 10/100 cable/dsl router that's free after rebates right now |
| 14:11.02 | Hanuman | It's a Gigafast - don't know how reliable those are |
| 14:11.21 | Hanuman | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=408514&sku=G300-1064&SRCCODE=WEM601RW |
| 14:13.46 | Hanuman | actually - doesn't look like too bad of a router |
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| 15:23.10 | jsmith | Morning all... |
| 15:23.18 | neybar_work | morning |
| 15:23.56 | Hanuman | morning |
| 15:32.49 | Hanuman | Just ordered my router - $10 shipping for the thing |
| 15:32.58 | Hanuman | oh well - a $10 router isn't that bad |
| 15:34.23 | Hanuman | business idea - setup local hubs around the country for online outlets such as these, and be the deliverers of such goods directly to customers to reduce shipping costs |
| 15:35.39 | Hanuman | They ship locally to one of our wharehouses for practically nothing, we use our own shipping lines to get to the local wharehouse of the customer, and the customer pays practically no shipping on the item |
| 15:35.48 | Wiggy-Away | Like online grocers |
| 15:36.02 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 15:36.26 | Hanuman | but we would be an all-in-one solution that can handle multiple types of online goods being sold |
| 15:36.36 | Hanuman | that would be a huge undertaking, though |
| 15:37.40 | Hanuman | Maybe if I get my MBA I'll do that as my final thesis or whatever the MBA requires |
| 15:57.30 | hans | ~slashdot |
| 15:57.40 | hans | utah in the /. news |
| 15:57.50 | hans | (in a non-sco light) |
| 15:58.21 | Hanuman | that's always nice to see |
| 15:58.32 | Hanuman | I think Utah gets more news than California these days on /. |
| 15:58.45 | Hanuman | Too bad the job market doesn't reflect that |
| 15:58.56 | Hanuman | At the moment I'd love to get relocated back to Utah |
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| 16:17.12 | bonez39 | hans: when you connect to my linux machine...do you connect from a linux box there, or windows machine? |
| 16:17.40 | bonez39 | hans: just wondering if you were able to connect here using putty, as opposed to something else within linux? |
| 16:18.25 | bonez39 | rebooting, back in a few |
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| 16:30.03 | hans | bonez39: just ssh in linux. it shouldn't matter. |
| 16:30.51 | bonez39 | hans: ok, but from windows...I have putty on my windows machine...I entered my IP in putty...but it didn't connect...just trying to figure out how to do that |
| 16:31.24 | hans | did you choose ssh? (telnet is default) |
| 16:31.47 | hans | which windows machine... the one in your office? It might be that it doesn't route correctly to your external IP from there. |
| 16:32.02 | hans | although it ought to |
| 16:32.31 | Hanuman | bonez39: yeah, make sure "ssh" is selected, not "telnet" |
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| 16:40.22 | sjansen | So, I'd like to learn a little more about Debian as a server. But I don't want to sacrafice a machine to it. Anyone know of a Debian UML image? |
| 16:41.25 | Jayce^ | we gotta get a uml plug meeting.. |
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| 16:42.07 | sjansen | Coming tonight? |
| 16:44.09 | Jayce^ | everyone better be coming tonight :) |
| 16:44.15 | Jayce^ | going to be a good meeting :) |
| 16:44.17 | levi | Not me! ;) |
| 16:45.25 | sjansen | http://now.ohah.net/en/User_Mode_Linux |
| 16:47.57 | jsmith | What's tonight?!? |
| 16:48.08 | Jayce^ | plug meeting |
| 16:48.10 | Jayce^ | www.plug.org |
| 16:48.52 | jsmith | Oh yeah... all you Utah county types... |
| 16:48.56 | jsmith | :-) |
| 16:49.14 | Jayce^ | it's a nice little drive down |
| 16:49.21 | jsmith | Maybe I'll come down and do a VoIP presentation one of these months... |
| 16:54.11 | Jayce^ | what system did you use? |
| 16:54.12 | Hanuman | jsmith: I take it you have good backup power |
| 16:55.01 | sjansen | jsmith: I'd love to hear about that. |
| 17:03.51 | jsmith | Hanuman: UH... I'm working on that :-) Gotta wait for next years budget to get good backup power |
| 17:04.06 | Hanuman | lol - just cross your fingers |
| 17:04.10 | jsmith | I'm more than happy to go into detail if people are interested |
| 17:04.34 | jsmith | Hanuman: We've only had one outage in the last 5 months, so it's not that big of a deal |
| 17:04.35 | Hanuman | I've debated on doing voip for my home for awhile now, but because of the power thing and no cell phones we can't risk it |
| 17:04.51 | Hanuman | jsmith: that's good, as long as no-one needs to dial 911 |
| 17:05.32 | jsmith | Hanuman: Actually, many VoIP providers are actually providing 911 services as well... |
| 17:05.48 | Hanuman | cool - I didn't know that |
| 17:06.19 | jsmith | With our system, we haven't eliminated our local POTS lines, so we just dial 911 out those lines |
| 17:06.33 | Hanuman | that's good |
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| 17:06.57 | Hanuman | you could probably also route 911 to go through one of your POTS lines |
| 17:07.12 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 17:07.45 | Hanuman | For home, I'm still a bit skeptical of having my phone go out when my power goes out. I learned that in the Hurricane this last year. |
| 17:07.52 | neybar_work | I have an exim question... I am trying to relay mail on my home account from work. I have it setup so that relaying is allowed if the LOGIN authenticator is used. The odd thing is that if I run exim in debug mode (exim -bd -d) then I can connect from work and send mail, however if I run exim from xinetd (exim -ds) then I can't connect |
| 17:07.56 | Hanuman | It was nice to be able to call family during the hurricane. |
| 17:09.33 | jsmith | Hanuman: Yep... if you have DSL, it's *supposed* to stay up and running, even if the power is out, as long as you've got power to your DSL router |
| 17:11.43 | sjansen | Hanuman: Hurricanes and earthquakes. What kinda place you livin' in? |
| 17:13.28 | Hanuman | sjansen: that's what I'm wondering |
| 17:13.58 | Hanuman | must be the last days or something over here |
| 17:14.30 | Hanuman | jsmith: I assume that's assuming that your dsl line is up and working and the main hub or lines haven't gone down |
| 17:15.10 | Hanuman | sjansen: they're taking bets here on what's next - we've got a winter ahead of us you know |
| 17:15.15 | Hanuman | blizzard? |
| 17:15.26 | Hanuman | ice storm that knocks out all the power? |
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| 17:18.57 | Hanuman | not to mention that this year I had appendicitis, my wife got pregnant, and my daughter had to get stitches - this year has been an adventure for us |
| 17:19.44 | HarleyPig | I used to think this has been a tumultuous couple of years, until I heard about a co-worker. |
| 17:20.50 | Hanuman | do tell us - I like learning that it's not so bad afterall |
| 17:21.14 | HarleyPig | She's 24. Her first husband died of cancer. Her second (and current) husband has just been diagnosed with MS. Her mother has just been diagnosed with diabetes and Alzheimer's. Her father died just a few months ago of a heart attack while running. A brother died earlier this year from an aneurism. |
| 17:21.30 | HarleyPig | And she and her 3 children all have really bad cases of the flu right now. |
| 17:21.53 | Hanuman | ouch |
| 17:22.17 | HarleyPig | And she is always cheerful, always smiling. Knows everyone at work by name and position. |
| 17:22.29 | Hanuman | I really respect people like that |
| 17:23.04 | Hanuman | My year hasn't been so bad - just a couple of challenges and scary times all which were overcome. |
| 17:23.05 | sjansen | Gee, now I feel even worse. |
| 17:23.22 | HarleyPig | Sorry. Things are going rough for me too ... I'm trying really hard to find positive things to focus on and I tend to get ... proselytic? |
| 17:23.37 | sjansen | I've only had a bad week and I'm in a bad mood. |
| 17:23.38 | HarleyPig | sjansen: She would say "Don't ... there's no point in it if you feel bad." |
| 17:23.40 | Jayce^ | prosthetic? :p |
| 17:23.42 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: you can proselyte all you want in here - it's #utah afterall! |
| 17:23.49 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 17:24.31 | HarleyPig | naw ... it'd break under my weight. |
| 17:24.31 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 17:24.41 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:24.51 | Jayce^ | you coming tonight harley? |
| 17:25.08 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: just don't stand on it over here - it might break with the earthquakes |
| 17:25.34 | Hanuman | probably doesn't matter anything about weight |
| 17:25.49 | Hanuman | Jayce^: ask me if I'm coming |
| 17:26.22 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you coming :p |
| 17:26.38 | Hanuman | No |
| 17:27.45 | Hanuman | You know, if I were to give up programming and move into marketing I could probably find someone to relocate me back to Utah |
| 17:28.32 | Hanuman | My wife would love that |
| 17:31.13 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 17:31.20 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: No, I have class tonight. |
| 17:31.43 | Jayce^ | oh,.. too 'classy' for us, eh? |
| 17:31.47 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:31.54 | Jayce^ | you got a class on spamassassin is what you got :) |
| 17:36.05 | Hanuman | Anyone know if the latest spamassassin doesn't mark Outlook 2003 as a forged Outlook client? |
| 17:36.19 | Jayce^ | I don't have problems with it.. |
| 17:36.48 | Hanuman | Okay - My version must have a bug with it then |
| 17:36.52 | Hanuman | I'll have to update |
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| 17:42.03 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: Actually, my class is on Network Administration. This week and next we are learning how to setup and stress test the lan. CS doesn't always mean Computer Science! :> |
| 17:46.52 | emcnabb | I'm going to be able to go to the meeting tonight! |
| 17:47.04 | emcnabb | (I thought I would have too much homework) |
| 17:47.44 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, like you care about homework!~ |
| 17:49.11 | emcnabb | haha! |
| 17:49.16 | emcnabb | that's so true :-) |
| 17:49.25 | emcnabb | C's get degrees! |
| 17:49.53 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 17:50.15 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 17:54.00 | tensai | worked for me |
| 17:55.31 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:57.40 | hans | lol |
| 17:58.06 | hans | sjansen: I can make you a uml debian image if you don't/haven't found one. |
| 17:58.10 | hans | It's easy to do from a debian system |
| 17:58.56 | Jayce^ | hans, what debian package allows you to do perldoc -f ?? I got perl-doc, which apparently only does perldoc, but not the perlfunc pages |
| 17:59.05 | Jayce^ | which is quite annoying |
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| 18:07.36 | hans | perl-doc "Perl manual pages and POD docs. If you are writing Perl programs, you almost certainly need this." |
| 18:08.05 | Jayce^ | yeah, grabbed that one |
| 18:08.11 | Jayce^ | but that didnt' add perlfunc |
| 18:08.13 | hans | i'm not familiar with "perlfunc" |
| 18:08.45 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f <somefunction> |
| 18:08.51 | Jayce^ | any perl function |
| 18:08.56 | hans | give me an example |
| 18:09.07 | hans | example perl function |
| 18:09.12 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f print |
| 18:11.39 | hans | man perlfunc works |
| 18:11.42 | hans | sounds like a bug in perldoc |
| 18:11.47 | hans | (or debian's perldoc package) |
| 18:12.17 | Jayce^ | debians.. has worked perfectly on every other system of mine for years |
| 18:12.46 | hans | i'll submit a bug report |
| 18:12.52 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f <functionname> should bring up a page with the info from the Camel book |
| 18:12.53 | tensai | Jayce^: have you tried just using PHP? |
| 18:13.06 | Jayce^ | yeah, tried it, and RAN back to perl :)_ |
| 18:13.23 | tensai | :) |
| 18:14.42 | jsmith | I programmed in Perl for like 3 years, but PHP hooked me |
| 18:14.49 | Jayce^ | way to confined in php |
| 18:15.01 | jsmith | And now every time I try to do something in Perl, I wish it was PHP |
| 18:15.20 | jsmith | And how is that any different in PHP than it is in Perl? |
| 18:15.29 | Jayce^ | very different.. |
| 18:15.37 | Jayce^ | :p |
| 18:15.45 | Jayce^ | jsmith, you aint seen nothing :) |
| 18:15.57 | jsmith | Oh, I know... I still don't understand why they're different |
| 18:16.19 | Jayce^ | php encourages you to embed your logic inside html... |
| 18:16.40 | jsmith | Well, if that's the way you want to do it, yes. |
| 18:16.50 | Jayce^ | perl was designed not for just html... which really isnt' the only thing I do :) |
| 18:16.51 | jsmith | But that's definitely not the *only* way, and probably not the smartest |
| 18:17.13 | jsmith | Actually, most of my PHP scripting is command-line stuff, believe it or not... |
| 18:17.24 | Jayce^ | then why use php |
| 18:17.33 | neybar_work | yes, I've had to deal with a few of those *shudders* |
| 18:18.21 | jsmith | Jayce^: Because it's easier for others to read, and we've already got a *huge* code library built for our company in PHP |
| 18:18.53 | Jayce^ | so how is it easier to read? it is spawned from, and has kept most of perls syntax... |
| 18:19.21 | jsmith | Jayce^: Plus, every time I use Perl I end up needing umpteen more CPAN modules, and then I have to try to find them in RPM format (as to make sys-admin easier) |
| 18:19.21 | Jayce^ | easy to read is a) in the eye of the reader, and b) a display of the programmer |
| 18:19.31 | jsmith | Oh, I agree with you there... |
| 18:19.54 | Jayce^ | the cpan tool is soo much nicer.. |
| 18:19.55 | jsmith | Unfortunately, most of the other programmers here can't read regex expressions and understand them |
| 18:20.01 | Jayce^ | especially at keeping things up to date.. |
| 18:20.10 | jsmith | Jayce^: I agree that the cpan tool is nicer, but then you've got a maintenance headache |
| 18:20.28 | Jayce^ | a) so that's the programmers issue, and b) how much of your code is regex? |
| 18:20.29 | jsmith | I like to keep everything in RPMS, so I can get a quick inventory of everything I'm using on the box |
| 18:20.34 | hans | Jayce^: I agree with you, but I think the correlation between perl bashing and code readability can not be cast aside wholesale |
| 18:21.20 | Jayce^ | hans, but I believe python to be more unreadable than most my perl.. |
| 18:21.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: Again, I'd love to be able to hire 20 clones of myself, but I can't. I'm stuck with what I've got. Plus, there is a *LOT* of variation in Perl coding... to some people, EVERYTHING is a regular expression. |
| 18:21.47 | Jayce^ | perls use of sigils makes things soo much easier |
| 18:22.23 | jsmith | Jayce^: sigils? |
| 18:22.26 | Jayce^ | and if you need embedding, there are toolkits to do it in perl.. I dont' use them though :) |
| 18:22.44 | Jayce^ | jsmith, $,%,@ denoting variable types |
| 18:22.46 | synic | ok... one more comment: so you shouldn't hold that against php, unless you hold the default feature of Perl's variables being global agains Perl. |
| 18:22.52 | synic | *against. |
| 18:22.54 | sjansen | PHP encourages mixing of presentation and logic. Perl encourages unmaintainable code. |
| 18:23.03 | sjansen | Any programmer worth his salt only works in C. |
| 18:23.04 | Jayce^ | synic, use strict :) |
| 18:23.22 | synic | Jayce^: that's my point. Just because a feature is there doesn't mean that you should use it, or hold it against the language. |
| 18:23.23 | Jayce^ | sjansen, and perl is C at it's core :) |
| 18:23.51 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yes, and PHP is C at it's core as well... :) |
| 18:24.14 | Jayce^ | jsmith, but can you do phpcc :) perlcc myscript.pl is always fun |
| 18:24.21 | Jayce^ | or PAR it |
| 18:24.48 | jsmith | Jayce^: While I agree that denoting variable types is great for advanced programmers, most programmers don't care about it, as long as the right thing happens. 95% of the time, PHP does the right thing with variables. |
| 18:24.55 | sjansen | Jayce^: And so is PHP. So everyone should quit wasting their time and just use the mother language. |
| 18:25.03 | synic | C++! |
| 18:25.14 | synic | I can't stand not having OOP. |
| 18:25.19 | Jayce^ | oooh.. now sjansen is going to flame :) |
| 18:25.38 | Jayce^ | I really liked C/C++.. for when I needed them.. |
| 18:25.44 | Jayce^ | just have forgetten them, it's been so long |
| 18:25.48 | sjansen | If you need "scripting", that's what Bash was invented for. |
| 18:26.01 | Jayce^ | bash is good, but doesn't do a lot of what I need.. |
| 18:26.06 | sjansen | As for OOP, C can do that without the headaches and lifetime commitment of C++. |
| 18:26.11 | jsmith | sjansen: One of my favorite articles on the web is entitled "C-shell is not a programming language!" |
| 18:26.28 | sjansen | Nobody said it was. ksh on the other hand... |
| 18:26.54 | Jayce^ | sjansen, so get rid of the C, and go to the real mother.... |
| 18:26.54 | sjansen | C# is what C++ could have been if Bram hadn't been dropped as a child. |
| 18:26.55 | jsmith | My friend maintains over 150,000 lines of code in c-shell... |
| 18:27.02 | synic | sjansen: have any good articles on OOP in C? |
| 18:27.16 | synic | 'cause I really like the way C++ does it... but I've never tried it in C |
| 18:27.24 | sjansen | Better, source: glib, gtk+, etc. |
| 18:28.11 | Jayce^ | Perl/QT :) |
| 18:28.19 | Jayce^ | now that'll really get sjansen going |
| 18:28.20 | sjansen | Ick, gtkmm |
| 18:28.31 | synic | what's the matter with gtkmm ? |
| 18:28.36 | sjansen | C++! |
| 18:28.49 | synic | lol |
| 18:28.55 | jsmith | synic: gtkmm isn't being 100% actively maintained, IIRC |
| 18:29.14 | synic | they say differently on the website. maybe they are liars |
| 18:29.47 | jsmith | Maybe so... I"m not a gtkmm expert by any stretch of the imagination... I only touched it once |
| 18:30.01 | HarleyPig | Did you wash your hands afterward? |
| 18:30.16 | sjansen | jsmith: None of the gtk bindings can claim great support. gtkmm is among the better |
| 18:30.20 | Jayce^ | *snicker* |
| 18:30.31 | hans | Jayce^: now, what are you bringing python into this for? :) I never said python was more readable than anybody's perl, especially yours |
| 18:30.36 | sjansen | What you snickering at Qt boy? |
| 18:30.52 | hans | xlib, all the way. |
| 18:30.56 | jsmith | sjansen: You've got a good point there... PHP-GTK+ is about the worst... |
| 18:30.57 | HarleyPig | Uh ... I'm not gonna touch that one. |
| 18:30.58 | Jayce^ | hans, just comparing.. |
| 18:30.58 | synic | sjansen: so that's a no on the good docs for objective C? |
| 18:31.08 | HarleyPig | Athena! |
| 18:31.12 | Jayce^ | since that's usually the #1 thing a python person will state about them vs perl |
| 18:31.25 | hans | Jayce^: you mean, injecting your gratuitous python bash. :) |
| 18:31.28 | Jayce^ | Brainf*ck!!!! |
| 18:31.34 | sjansen | synic: They're out there. But OOP in C is more of a mind set (what with no syntatic sugar). |
| 18:31.37 | Jayce^ | hans, it's always welcome in this channel |
| 18:31.52 | HarleyPig | Python Bash? Now there's a concept! |
| 18:32.00 | Jayce^ | besides, one of the few ways to get brailsmt to join in.. |
| 18:32.05 | jsmith | I think we all ought to program in VB... :-) |
| 18:32.06 | synic | meh. |
| 18:32.14 | hans | Jayce^: probably true, but they are probably just parroting what others have decried about perl... |
| 18:32.15 | Jayce^ | ~lart jsmith |
| 18:32.29 | HarleyPig | COBOL! Everyone should switch to Object Cobol! |
| 18:32.32 | sjansen | ~flame jsmith |
| 18:32.36 | hans | i think everyone should write their own language and use that. |
| 18:32.41 | jsmith | I was thinking about objective Prolog... |
| 18:32.48 | HarleyPig | HarleyPig++ |
| 18:32.56 | Jayce^ | listp |
| 18:32.59 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:33.00 | HarleyPig | Now *that's* a bloated bit of code! |
| 18:33.07 | neybar_work | lol |
| 18:33.10 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 18:33.12 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:33.22 | Jayce^ | PARROT! |
| 18:33.24 | hans | *** ahem, real question *** how can I find a nntp server that doesn't miss half the posts like BYU's does? |
| 18:33.26 | Jayce^ | pasm |
| 18:33.32 | jsmith | All in favor of coding everything in X86 assembly, say "Aye!" |
| 18:33.36 | hans | ic |
| 18:33.38 | hans | k |
| 18:33.39 | sjansen | boo! |
| 18:33.43 | Jayce^ | ~lart hans for asking a real question |
| 18:33.46 | hans | jsmith: maybe RISC |
| 18:33.52 | Jayce^ | jsmith, motorola assmbly |
| 18:33.54 | jsmith | hans: Risc is fun, though... |
| 18:34.16 | neybar_work | hans I have an exim question for you |
| 18:34.17 | hans | ~lart TI |
| 18:34.24 | hans | neybar_work: shoot |
| 18:34.37 | HarleyPig | hans: google for free nntp servers and use leafnode. |
| 18:35.01 | neybar_work | any idea why exim would reject a relay attempt when I run it through xinetd (exim -bs) when it works in debugging mode (exim -bd -d)? |
| 18:35.56 | HarleyPig | Debug is God mode. |
| 18:36.06 | Jayce^ | noclip |
| 18:36.28 | sjansen | It'd make keyboard based navigation even faster. |
| 18:36.31 | neybar_work | I should say that exim also relays as I expect when I run it as (exim -bd -q30m) |
| 18:36.50 | emcnabb | evilwm? |
| 18:36.51 | hans | sjansen: ion |
| 18:36.59 | hans | may not be perfect, but it's usable |
| 18:37.04 | hans | and interesting |
| 18:37.29 | emcnabb | http://evilwm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:37.34 | emcnabb | Jayce^, oh yeah |
| 18:37.36 | Jayce^ | especially now with twinview wallpapers |
| 18:37.55 | hans | anyone use a tui news reader? which one? |
| 18:38.03 | hans | neybar_work: no idea |
| 18:38.33 | sjansen | emcnabb: Does is support SCCM and other acronyms that good WMs know about? |
| 18:40.04 | HarleyPig | hans: I use slrn and trn |
| 18:41.47 | hans | HarleyPig: why leafnode? |
| 18:49.43 | Hanuman | Man - I leave for lunch just for an hour and you guys have a whole flame ware for/against perl without me |
| 18:51.07 | Hanuman | Why use PHP when you can have all the power? |
| 18:51.25 | bartw | *cough* use python *cough* |
| 18:51.26 | Hanuman | Perl is the Mother of PHP, speaking of mother of languages :-P |
| 18:51.43 | Hanuman | *cough* use strict *cough* |
| 18:51.58 | bartw | what's strict? |
| 18:52.17 | Hanuman | what any Perl programmer who knows what he's doing uses |
| 18:52.25 | Hanuman | encourages good Perl programming |
| 18:52.38 | bartw | didn't know there was such a thing.. :) |
| 18:53.00 | bartw | I saw good perl once. |
| 18:53.32 | Hanuman | it basically enforces declaration of variables, among other things |
| 18:53.53 | bartw | I wrote a python script, and someone ported it to perl. It ended up looking a great deal like the original python, which I wouldn't have guessed was possible. |
| 18:54.26 | Hanuman | Jayce^: any idea if Perl 6 will force strict variables by default? |
| 18:55.06 | *** join/#utah brailsmt (~michael@c-24-10-177-187.client.comcast.net) |
| 18:55.54 | hans | quick, hide your flamesticks |
| 18:56.39 | Wiggy | Hello Don |
| 18:56.44 | Wiggy | Don says Hi |
| 18:56.54 | Hanuman | Don should talk to Eliza |
| 18:57.02 | Wiggy | Don is afraid of women |
| 18:58.36 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.53 | Hanuman | She talks to ibot all the time |
| 18:59.10 | Hanuman | They have entire discussions |
| 19:01.45 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 19:02.08 | Hanuman | oooh! |
| 19:02.29 | sjansen | ibot is behind the times, looks like Royal Bank of Canada is putting the kibosh on SCO's lawyers getting payed even if they lose |
| 19:02.31 | | sjansen: You are moron #10 |
| 19:02.58 | sjansen | ibot: No, you're the moron, moron. |
| 19:02.59 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sjansen |
| 19:03.34 | Hanuman | ibot, I thought I was moron #10 |
| 19:03.36 | | Hanuman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:03.55 | HarleyPig | ibot, Hanuman is moron #10. |
| 19:03.57 | | ...but hanuman is already something else... |
| 19:04.07 | HarleyPig | ibot, Hanuman is also moron #10. |
| 19:04.08 | | okay, HarleyPig |
| 19:04.12 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 19:04.19 | HarleyPig | ~Hanuman |
| 19:04.20 | | hanuman is probably a manipulative guy whose nick has been outsourced to India. moron #10. |
| 19:04.36 | HarleyPig | Well. |
| 19:05.02 | jsmith-away | ~jsmith |
| 19:05.05 | | i guess jsmith is hungry |
| 19:05.05 | Hanuman | :-P |
| 19:05.19 | jsmith-away | Hey, that's the brightest thing the bot has ever said |
| 19:05.52 | brailsmt | SCOX is down $1.21 (7.73%) today :) |
| 19:05.54 | sjansen | Okay, so it's not if they lose, it's if SCO gets sold. |
| 19:06.19 | Hanuman | Hey, what's the manipulative thing anyway???? |
| 19:06.34 | Hanuman | sure, I like to manipulate ibot |
| 19:07.28 | Hanuman | That's not fair - ibot won't let me lock my own nick |
| 19:08.05 | brailsmt | i read an analysis at motley fool that says SCO's actions are textbooks examples that show disarray in a company, and are a good clue for short sellers ) |
| 19:08.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:08.32 | hans | ~han |
| 19:08.35 | hans | ~hanuman |
| 19:08.36 | | ACTION yawn. |
| 19:08.42 | Hanuman | that's better |
| 19:08.47 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 19:08.48 | | ACTION yawns. |
| 19:09.14 | Hanuman | ibot isn't case sensitive I guess |
| 19:09.15 | | i don't know, Hanuman |
| 19:09.20 | bartw | brailsmt: URL? |
| 19:09.45 | brailsmt | yahoo.org hangon... |
| 19:09.48 | brailsmt | yahoo.com |
| 19:10.10 | brailsmt | http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2003/mft03120905.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y |
| 19:10.59 | sjansen | Die SCO die! |
| 19:11.27 | sjansen | I'll be ready when the day comes, I will. |
| 19:18.24 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 19:20.21 | brailsmt | not a single link from the yahoo finance page is positive for SCO :) |
| 19:24.36 | hans | HarleyPig, et al: do any of those readers let you read from one server and post to another? |
| 19:24.43 | hans | or perhaps leafnode... |
| 19:25.32 | HarleyPig | hans: Not that I'm aware of. Leafnode requires a main server to be used for posting and it alwasys uses that one. |
| 19:31.59 | emcnabb | Jayce^, you want to send a reminder about the meeting tonight to the UUG list? |
| 19:39.02 | hans | instead of every nntp server carrying/feeding everything (which in reality means nobody carries everything) |
| 19:39.39 | hans | peers just carry what they're interested in. add some caching and redundancy, and voila |
| 19:40.57 | brailsmt | yy66urtyhfwruh9opppppooyhyhghfytewwxwfdffgfghghj |
| 19:43.31 | hans | although I guess you could argue newsnet is p2p, indeed one of the first p2p applications... but it's not a very good one by today's standards |
| 20:00.09 | HarleyPig | Do we want to warn the user if there are empty fields? or just insert the null data and continue? or both? |
| 20:00.16 | HarleyPig | crap |
| 20:01.33 | hans | HarleyPig: cut their heads off |
| 20:01.58 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:02.01 | Hanuman | Man - I can't wait 'till EIII |
| 20:02.26 | hans | why not, you know what happens. |
| 20:02.57 | Jayce^ | hans, you know what happens in ROTK too :) |
| 20:03.14 | hans | you have a point. :) |
| 20:04.43 | Hanuman | especially now that I've read the spoilers |
| 20:05.03 | Hanuman | nothing like hearing Christina Aguilera recite the Lord's Prayer |
| 20:05.10 | Hanuman | (unrelated thought) |
| 20:05.21 | Jayce^ | uhhh |
| 20:05.38 | Hanuman | I'm listening to her Christmas album - kinda ironic |
| 20:06.32 | hans | Hanuman: that's what I was referring to |
| 20:06.48 | hans | obviously we all know the gist of what happens |
| 20:07.18 | Hanuman | yeah - I was just going to say the spoilers didn't do a ton other than get me more excited |
| 20:07.42 | Hanuman | The only things you don't know about now are just action sequences which you have to wait for the movie to see anyway |
| 20:09.29 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I have the N'Sync Christmas album too - want it? |
| 20:11.28 | HarleyPig | You're a sick man. |
| 20:11.33 | Jayce^ | not really :) |
| 20:12.23 | hans | $ crontab -l |
| 20:12.23 | hans | crontabs/fugalh: Permission denied |
| 20:12.32 | hans | what could possibly cause that and how do I fix it? |
| 20:12.46 | Hanuman | hans: you don't have permission to your cron files |
| 20:12.48 | HarleyPig | There is a crontabs folder ... your file has the wrong permissions. |
| 20:12.59 | hans | where is this magic folder? |
| 20:13.14 | sjansen | Hanuman: Send it to Orrin Hatch c/o Darl McBride |
| 20:13.14 | HarleyPig | dunno ... find / -name "crontabs" -print would work. |
| 20:13.33 | hans | so should locate, but it doesn't |
| 20:13.43 | HarleyPig | find doesn't either? |
| 20:13.46 | Hanuman | sjansen: that's a good idea - I may get sued though, or my computer could be destroyed |
| 20:14.19 | Hanuman | Someone should write a trojan to secretly install tons of illegal mp3s on Orrin Hatch's computer just for the fun of it |
| 20:14.40 | hans | /var/spool/cron |
| 20:14.47 | Hanuman | either that or just have everyone mail their illegal mp3s to Orrin Hatch |
| 20:14.47 | hans | situation remedied |
| 20:15.17 | Hanuman | except sadly, these are legal mp3s |
| 20:16.20 | sjansen | Yes! I'm apt-get updating from inside UML (finally). |
| 20:16.44 | hans | ~highfive sjansen |
| 20:18.09 | Hanuman | !a highfive for sjansen |
| 20:18.51 | sjansen | Oh, no, I'm not making the same mistake twice Hanuman. |
| 20:22.14 | Hanuman | actually, that was just so you could use it any time you want - now you don't have to miss ;-) |
| 20:40.00 | emcnabb | anyone know why SCO's website is down right now? |
| 20:41.24 | sjansen | emcnabb: Why are you visiting SCO's website? |
| 20:41.51 | emcnabb | we want to find out why it is down (Frank was looking for some docs and saw the site was down) |
| 20:42.53 | sjansen | emcnabb: Why was Frank looking for some docs on SCO's site? |
| 20:43.18 | emcnabb | he always does |
| 20:43.27 | emcnabb | he's joining #utah in a few |
| 20:43.39 | Hanuman | Who's Frank? |
| 20:43.43 | emcnabb | Sorenson |
| 20:43.45 | emcnabb | my boss |
| 20:43.51 | emcnabb | the big anti-sco guy |
| 20:44.02 | emcnabb | the utah contact for Groklaw |
| 20:44.17 | Hanuman | oh - okay - is he the one who was on the NBC interview? |
| 20:44.26 | emcnabb | nbc? |
| 20:44.30 | emcnabb | I don't think so |
| 20:44.31 | emcnabb | oh |
| 20:44.35 | Hanuman | the KSL interview |
| 20:44.38 | emcnabb | he was interviewed for KSL |
| 20:44.42 | emcnabb | but that was Jason Hold |
| 20:44.45 | emcnabb | Holt |
| 20:44.46 | Hanuman | okay |
| 20:44.51 | sjansen | emcnabb: How do you feel working for a "big anti-sco guy"? |
| 20:44.54 | tensai | hans: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 20:44.58 | emcnabb | very good |
| 20:45.07 | hans | tensai: thx. anything come in the mail yet? |
| 20:45.11 | Hanuman | I recognize Frank from the PLUGlist |
| 20:45.22 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:45.34 | tensai | yeah. came yesterday. I said something in here but I guess you missed it |
| 20:45.34 | emcnabb | newsome is what he goes by on groklaw |
| 20:45.44 | hans | must have |
| 20:45.51 | Hanuman | ahh...seen him in here several times then |
| 20:45.55 | hans | cool. is it what you expected? |
| 20:46.05 | tensai | I'll probably have to wait till Saturday to start. |
| 20:46.08 | *** join/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@asterix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 20:46.19 | tensai | I read about drying starts in the FAQ, so more or less |
| 20:47.00 | hans | tensai: when does the experiment commence? :) |
| 20:47.09 | tensai | I'm paranoid about killing it my first try |
| 20:47.15 | Newsome | hello all. |
| 20:47.18 | tensai | Saturday |
| 20:47.19 | Hanuman | Frank! |
| 20:47.21 | Jayce^ | lo frank |
| 20:47.32 | hans | tensai: cut it in half and put half in the fridge as insurance |
| 20:47.39 | Jayce^ | have fun discussing linux outside of the sco offices |
| 20:47.51 | Newsome | that would be fun :) |
| 20:47.53 | sjansen | Newsome: emcnabb was just bad mouthing you. Says you were trying to help SCO monitor the uptime of their web site. |
| 20:48.10 | tensai | hans: will do |
| 20:48.14 | Newsome | nah. Just trying to figure out what they did to break their server! |
| 20:48.37 | hans | Newsome: they put that worthless newfangled linux thing on it, and it rebelled |
| 20:48.40 | Newsome | if Evan said that, I guess I'll have to fire him :) |
| 20:49.09 | emcnabb | noooooo!!!! |
| 20:49.18 | emcnabb | is there severence pay? |
| 20:49.29 | Jayce^ | Newsome, probably just tried running it on openserver :) |
| 20:49.40 | Hanuman | emcnabb: you get new copies of Windows XP |
| 20:50.02 | Newsome | Actually, PJ said she'd send me a copy of UnixWare that someone sent her! I guess SCO could use my CD to install off of! |
| 20:50.11 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:50.31 | jsmith | I think I've even got a developer's license for it |
| 20:51.04 | Newsome | time to go scan some stuff. be back in a few... |
| 20:51.37 | Hanuman | ^sue jsmith |
| 20:52.01 | jsmith | Uhhh... no... all I did was port stupid userland code over from SCO to IRIX (and then eventually to Linux)... I didn't put anything in the Linux kernel. |
| 20:52.28 | Jayce^ | liar! |
| 20:52.39 | jsmith | But I had to get a SCO developers license to get the code to compile on SCO in the first place... this was "SCO as in Santa Cruz", not "SCO as in Lindon" |
| 20:52.41 | Jayce^ | they can prove it |
| 20:52.56 | jsmith | Yeah... since my name appears so often in the kernel code :-) |
| 20:53.23 | Jayce^ | pseudonym |
| 20:54.17 | jsmith | Oh yeah... when I hack the kernel, I go by "Agent Smith" |
| 20:54.17 | sjansen | hans: So I've installed the stock Debian apache and it won't start. Ideas? |
| 20:54.28 | jsmith | sjansen: Use a different distro? |
| 20:54.47 | tensai | sjansen: what does /var/log/apache/error.log say? |
| 20:55.19 | jsmith | tensai: Error logs are for weenies :-) |
| 20:55.33 | sjansen | unable to gethostbyname("debian.mynet") |
| 20:56.27 | tensai | either set ServerName in /etc/apache/httpd.conf or change the hostname |
| 20:56.48 | Hanuman | RedHat users don't need error logs :-p |
| 20:57.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, they don't get anything done :) |
| 20:57.03 | hans | sjansen: sounds like your hostname isn't set right. do what tensai said |
| 20:57.09 | sjansen | Nope, setting ServerName didn't fix it. But disable mod_unique_id did. |
| 20:57.31 | tensai | never heard of mod_unique_id |
| 20:57.56 | sjansen | Me either. But I just connected to a web server running in UML. :-) |
| 20:59.12 | sjansen | I have to wonder what the big idea is putting a giant gnu towering over a little penguin. I always pictured Tux as being alot taller. |
| 20:59.55 | Jayce^ | fsf's opinion... that's why it's GNU/Linux, not Linux, or Linux/GNU :) |
| 20:59.59 | Jayce^ | wgo |
| 21:00.02 | Jayce^ | ego even :) |
| 21:00.40 | jsmith | GNU schmoo... If they had their act together, we'd be running Herd. |
| 21:00.46 | jsmith | Or Hurd, or however they spell it. |
| 21:01.55 | jsmith | I don't refer to Windows as "Windows/Office/UnrealTournament", why should I refer to Linux as "GNU/Linux" |
| 21:02.37 | sjansen | No, no, no. That should be Cygwin/Visual Studio/Windows. |
| 21:05.34 | sjansen | I'm starting to dislike the OOM killer. |
| 21:05.47 | Jayce^ | OOM killer? |
| 21:06.43 | sjansen | Out of memory. When linux gets desperate for memory, it picks a process to kill. |
| 21:06.49 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 21:06.57 | Hanuman | did that cow show up for you guys? |
| 21:07.01 | jsmith | Yeah, and it usually ends up being the most important thing running on your box... |
| 21:07.04 | jsmith | Cow? |
| 21:07.14 | Hanuman | okay - need to learn irssi a little better then |
| 21:07.45 | Jayce^ | it just starts at the top.. kill pid 1 :) |
| 21:08.48 | sjansen | No, not anymore. But that was a particularily nasty bug it had for awhile. |
| 21:09.34 | Hanuman | test |
| 21:10.02 | sjansen | Hanuman: Don't say that word! |
| 21:10.14 | sjansen | Not this close to finals, anyway. |
| 21:10.29 | Jayce^ | LOL |
| 21:10.53 | Jayce^ | for those that have them |
| 21:11.58 | hans | Jayce^: yeah, I have to get up in time to take my final the next day at 11:00 am. grumble |
| 21:12.08 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 21:18.49 | sjansen | ~whaleslap Hanuman |
| 21:18.52 | | ACTION slaps Hanuman upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:24.16 | Bradipo | They found me out. |
| 21:24.19 | Bradipo | I'm a wanted man. |
| 21:24.21 | Bradipo | http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&mid=69814&sid=1600684464 |
| 21:27.32 | sjansen | You're a marked man. |
| 21:28.42 | hans | Bradipo: you did ipsec work? |
| 21:29.06 | *** join/#utah Hanuman (~jstayii@pool-141-152-55-93.RICH.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:30.01 | Bradipo | Not really. |
| 21:30.09 | Bradipo | Do a search in google for IPSEC Andy Bradford |
| 21:30.15 | Bradipo | I setup IPSEC. |
| 21:30.22 | Bradipo | I didn't really code anything. |
| 21:30.39 | Bradipo | I was on the FreeS/Wan mailing list for a while. |
| 21:31.00 | Bradipo | You'll find that I get around on mailing lists if you search google enough. :-) |
| 21:31.15 | hans | :) |
| 21:31.22 | Bradipo | I was also on the Ethereal mailing list and also some of the IDS mailing lists. |
| 21:31.29 | Bradipo | And of course PLUG. :-0 |
| 21:31.49 | Jayce^ | but you avoid that one ;p |
| 21:32.08 | sjansen | Thanks to Bradipo the SCO storm troopers will be arriving soon. |
| 21:34.26 | Jayce^ | so Bradipo, another meeting dealing with spam tonight.. you coming? |
| 21:34.58 | Bradipo | What's the topic? ;-) |
| 21:35.23 | Jayce^ | www.plug.org :) |
| 21:35.33 | Bradipo | I would come but I don't want to incriminate any of you; also, you wouldn't want the SCOX message board on your tails. |
| 21:35.39 | Jayce^ | advanced spamassassin (among others)... |
| 21:35.42 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:35.44 | Bradipo | They're a harsh bunch. |
| 21:35.56 | hans | lol |
| 21:35.59 | Jayce^ | hey, we're even meeting in a canopy building.. |
| 21:36.25 | Bradipo | That's close to home. |
| 21:36.41 | Jayce^ | viawest (center 7) building |
| 21:37.35 | sjansen | Bradipo: Come along, you belong, feel the fizz, or kooky cola. |
| 21:37.43 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.48 | Hanuman | hmmm... |
| 21:38.13 | Newsome | so, has anyone figured out why SCO is up/down today? Andy, did you unplug their server? |
| 21:38.20 | Hanuman | Foxtrot Oscar Oscar |
| 21:38.21 | Jayce^ | leftscore, rightscore |
| 21:38.34 | Bradipo | I just couldn't resist unplugging the server. |
| 21:38.44 | Hanuman | Lima India November Uniform X-Ray |
| 21:38.45 | Bradipo | I thought it would stir up such a controversy, it was irresistable. |
| 21:38.56 | Hanuman | Hey - this spell command is cool |
| 21:38.57 | Newsome | I hope you spilled your Diet Coke on one of their drives while you were at it! |
| 21:39.18 | Bradipo | www.sco.com is down due to DoS. |
| 21:39.40 | Newsome | sure about that? |
| 21:39.45 | Bradipo | In case you don't believe me, try: traceroute www.sco.com |
| 21:39.50 | Bradipo | Where does that get you? |
| 21:40.16 | Bradipo | Then try: traceroute ftp.sco.com |
| 21:40.19 | Bradipo | Where does that get you? |
| 21:40.30 | Bradipo | Any ideas? |
| 21:40.38 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, I can hit other things at viawest just fine.. |
| 21:41.14 | *** join/#utah HarleyPig (~JS@65.105.156.40) |
| 21:41.21 | Newsome | www.sco.com is blocked much higher, and they're both going through the same route |
| 21:41.27 | Jayce^ | but for sco, dieing at xo.com |
| 21:41.39 | Bradipo | Very good Newsome, now, why do you think it is blocked much higher? |
| 21:41.47 | Newsome | looks a lot more like a routing misconfiguration than a DDOS |
| 21:42.00 | Bradipo | Close, but wrong. |
| 21:42.01 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.17 | Bradipo | You really think that ViaWest doesn't have a clue about routing? |
| 21:42.48 | Bradipo | If your webserver was being flooded to death with SYNs what would you do? |
| 21:43.01 | Bradipo | What would most ISPs do? |
| 21:43.09 | Newsome | flood back? |
| 21:43.13 | Bradipo | lol |
| 21:43.18 | hans | syncookie? |
| 21:43.27 | Newsome | well, I guess that's what I'd do, but you know me :) |
| 21:43.27 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 21:43.43 | Bradipo | SYN cookies prevent hijacking. |
| 21:44.06 | Bradipo | Let's say you have a T1 but your pipe is being flooded at DS3 rates. |
| 21:44.12 | hans | hm, I thought they could also be used to do limiting |
| 21:44.31 | Bradipo | Or rather, you have a 1.5mbps pipe and are being hit with 45 Mbps. |
| 21:44.33 | hans | not that I ever have... |
| 21:45.16 | Hanuman | slashdot? |
| 21:45.57 | Bradipo | Well, similar effect. |
| 21:46.07 | Bradipo | But this definitely wasn't /. effect. |
| 21:46.15 | Bradipo | We can handle that. :-) |
| 21:46.40 | Hanuman | darn - that was my guess |
| 21:46.42 | Newsome | We've had that happen here. Someone got a Windows worm, and it started blasting out 47 Mbps of UDP. Not pretty. It took me 45 minutes just to log in remotely to the firewall. I've got to get that modem up sometime so that I have something out-of-band. |
| 21:46.53 | *** part/#utah HarleyPig (~JS@65.105.156.40) |
| 21:47.22 | Bradipo | Well, standard procedure at most ISPs when dealing with DDoS is to chop off the offender. |
| 21:47.37 | hans | naturally |
| 21:47.44 | Bradipo | This is to mitigate the amount of damage done to innocent bystanders. |
| 21:47.57 | Bradipo | Now, go back and look at traceroute www.sco.com |
| 21:48.09 | Bradipo | Compare it to traceroute ftp.sco.com |
| 21:48.34 | Jayce^ | dies at alter.net for me |
| 21:48.35 | hans | both go through 205.158.14.137, but www stops there with a !H |
| 21:49.05 | Bradipo | The point is that it dies long before it gets there. |
| 21:49.09 | Jayce^ | neither of mine go there. |
| 21:49.27 | hans | so the route we would get there is cut off |
| 21:49.30 | Bradipo | WHich means that some DDoS is happening but it isn't getting anywhere close to the actual target. |
| 21:49.33 | Bradipo | Exactly. |
| 21:49.52 | Jayce^ | 'very small rocks'.... |
| 21:50.07 | hans | fire hose syndrome |
| 21:50.42 | hans | try and take your neighbor out with a fire hose and you will take out more than you bargained for (including probably throwing yourself to the ground) |
| 21:51.10 | Bradipo | Well, the only thing affected obviously is our website. |
| 21:51.12 | Newsome | So, Andy, do you work for someone there now? |
| 21:51.18 | Bradipo | You can still get to FTP. |
| 21:51.29 | Bradipo | Email works fine, etc... |
| 21:51.35 | Bradipo | I'm obviously here. :-) |
| 21:51.40 | Newsome | makes sense! |
| 21:51.44 | Hanuman | Bradipo: but I want to get to the website! |
| 21:52.11 | Bradipo | Hanuman: Maybe I can setup a proxy for you folks. :-) |
| 21:52.12 | Hanuman | Bradipo: yo |
| 21:52.48 | hans | Hanuman: I get the feeling you're they type that has a dozen gadgets hanging from his belt |
| 21:52.49 | Hanuman | hans: yo |
| 21:52.55 | Hanuman | ack! |
| 21:53.08 | Bradipo | Hanuman: yo |
| 21:53.17 | Hanuman | okay - the yos should stop now |
| 21:53.37 | Hanuman | hans: I hate tons of gadgets, but I love gadgets - I like all-in-one solutions |
| 21:54.10 | hans | me too - all with the keyboard or not at all ;-) |
| 21:54.36 | Bradipo | Are political aspects going to be covered in tonights PLUG? |
| 21:54.48 | Jayce^ | if people want to.. |
| 21:55.04 | Jayce^ | just need to make sure we get the technical side too.. |
| 21:55.13 | Bradipo | I got reamed by one of our users for blocking simple words like horny wives and viagra. |
| 21:55.37 | Jayce^ | really? who? |
| 21:55.40 | Bradipo | He said it wasn't intelligent enough. |
| 21:55.51 | Bradipo | No one you know I'm sure. |
| 21:55.52 | Jayce^ | my bayesian would get those, that's for sure. |
| 21:55.59 | Bradipo | Well yeah, it would. |
| 21:56.06 | Jayce^ | oh, thought you meant our users.. |
| 21:56.14 | Jayce^ | eg. plug users |
| 21:56.14 | Bradipo | His point was that we shouldn't be filtering based on just words. |
| 21:56.23 | Bradipo | Because they can easily be taken out of context. |
| 21:56.27 | Jayce^ | tell him the filter should use all means possible.. |
| 21:56.38 | Bradipo | That's a good point. |
| 21:56.56 | Jayce^ | and give weighting.. |
| 21:57.07 | Bradipo | bayesian alone is almost enough. |
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| 22:01.26 | Hanuman | does Mike Handy still attend PLUG mtgs? |
| 22:02.47 | Jayce^ | sometimes.. |
| 22:02.54 | Jayce^ | said he should be there tonight |
| 22:02.54 | hans | Bradipo: bayesian alone is enough to keep me from going tonight. :) SpamAssassin is of mild interest but since I don't need it my laziness overcomes my desire to travel all the way up to linon. |
| 22:03.23 | Jayce^ | hans, but SA does bayesian too, as part of the chain |
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| 22:05.13 | neybar_work | Do you know if Fozz is going to cover site wide SA setups? |
| 22:05.49 | Jayce^ | yes.. |
| 22:05.59 | Jayce^ | that's going to be one of the main focuses |
| 22:06.00 | Hanuman | what about db-configuration? |
| 22:06.04 | Jayce^ | tuning it for site-wide.. |
| 22:06.05 | Jayce^ | yes.. |
| 22:06.16 | Hanuman | cool - I'll try to be there ;-) |
| 22:06.26 | Jayce^ | allowing a web interface for people to update their db settings |
| 22:06.36 | Hanuman | that's what I still need to do at home |
| 22:07.05 | Hanuman | well, cya guys later |
| 22:08.00 | neybar_work | I'd like to get a meeting on email integration / tuning. ex using exim, and getting virtual/system users, procmail, virus scanning, spam filtering etc plus performance tuning |
| 22:08.30 | neybar_work | include ldap, or some other database driven backend |
| 22:10.22 | Jayce^ | so set it up, and I'll have you present :) |
| 22:11.06 | neybar_work | I can present on a few of those points, but I am still trying to figure it all out... |
| 22:11.36 | Jayce^ | you'd better hurry, you're up next month :p |
| 22:11.41 | neybar_work | d'oh |
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| 23:06.50 | bonez39 | greetings, Newsome |
| 23:07.31 | *** topic/#utah by Jayce^ -> PLUG meeting tonight! -- http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
| 23:31.31 | Newsome | hi, bonez39 |
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| 23:54.17 | Newsome | Bradipo: Have you been able to figure out who is hammering your site? |
| 23:55.31 | Newsome | and any way to get them to stop? |
| 23:55.40 | bartw | it's Darl, just so he can have a press release blaming it on Linus. |
| 23:57.12 | Newsome | Yeah, well, that is always the suspicion, but if it really is someone, it would be nice to get to the source and get it stopped. |