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| 00:23.16 | hans | brailsmt: Kevin, methinks |
| 00:27.22 | jakea | my heck, Utah makes recycling the biggest pain, I wish they would get out of the dark ages on this |
| 00:27.35 | jakea | everywhere else I go there is these things called recycling and mass transit, but not in this state |
| 00:36.08 | brailsmt | jakea: you are wrong on the mas transit thing... |
| 00:36.26 | brailsmt | Kansas City would be doing good to have half the services of UTA |
| 00:36.33 | brailsmt | the Metro is a joke... |
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| 00:37.20 | brailsmt | mass transit in Utah is light years ahead of Kansas City, of course the food here is light years behind even the worst BBQ restaurant in KC |
| 00:37.40 | brailsmt | no one like BBQ here, I just don't understand it... |
| 00:38.18 | brailsmt | given a choice between KC style BBQ and green jello, it would be a toss up for many Utahns.. :D |
| 00:38.46 | brailsmt | of course in KC there are about 5 interstates not one... |
| 00:39.04 | brailsmt | so mass transit isn't required to releive congestion |
| 00:44.19 | spr5 | Let's say you have $10 in your pocket, and no food in fridge, where would you go? |
| 00:46.18 | brailsmt | in terms of a restaurant? |
| 00:46.23 | brailsmt | or grocery store? |
| 00:46.32 | brailsmt | the sensible thing would be to go to a grocery store :) |
| 00:47.16 | brailsmt | I would go to one of Zarda1 BBQ, Gates BBQ or KC Masterpiece Steakhouse |
| 00:47.26 | brailsmt | if i was to choose a restaurant |
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| 00:48.13 | spr5 | looking for the restaurant option. |
| 00:48.24 | spr5 | brailsmt, where are these said BBQ places? |
| 00:48.29 | brailsmt | there just isn't an equivalent here... |
| 00:48.30 | brailsmt | KC |
| 00:48.58 | brailsmt | here in Utah, I don't knwo where I would go, probably Macaroni grill |
| 00:49.43 | brailsmt | Utah doesn't really have a regional food |
| 00:49.56 | spr5 | very true. |
| 00:50.06 | emcnabb | hello all |
| 00:50.12 | spr5 | yo emcnabb |
| 00:50.38 | spr5 | so what about a good fast-ish-food place round about the provo area? |
| 00:50.49 | brailsmt | NJ has delis, NY has cheesecake, Chicago has deep dish, SF has sourdough, KC has BBQ, UT has...Jello... |
| 00:51.11 | brailsmt | i like Beto's good mexican food, they have the best bean burritos in the area |
| 00:51.27 | brailsmt | Burgers Supreme has really good burgers |
| 00:51.42 | hans | i love their green chile cheeseburger |
| 00:51.44 | brailsmt | try the pastrami burger... mmmm |
| 00:52.09 | brailsmt | gandolfo's has the best deli style sandwiches, hands down |
| 00:52.22 | brailsmt | s/gandolfo/gondolfo |
| 00:52.29 | hans | brailsmt: what do yo umean? utah has green jello! |
| 00:52.36 | brailsmt | exactly |
| 00:52.37 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:52.45 | hans | spr5: I like del taco |
| 00:52.51 | hans | for quick and dirty cheap fast food |
| 00:52.55 | spr5 | mmm... del taco |
| 00:52.57 | hans | chicken soft tacos |
| 00:53.16 | hans | next step up is burgers supreme. then souper salad |
| 00:53.29 | brailsmt | no one beats Beto's bean burritos (my favorite), El Azteca is a close second |
| 00:53.34 | spr5 | My personal quick stops tend to be Betos or del taco. |
| 00:53.40 | hans | yeah el azteco is pretty good. |
| 00:53.46 | hans | er, azteca |
| 00:53.58 | brailsmt | hans: no, that was perfect gringo speak :) |
| 00:54.01 | hans | betos is nice and greasy |
| 00:54.15 | brailsmt | el == ends in 'o'... |
| 00:54.15 | hans | i no gringa! |
| 00:54.28 | brailsmt | yo ser grrringo |
| 00:55.22 | emcnabb | like uninstalling debian, hans? |
| 00:55.23 | emcnabb | ;-) |
| 00:55.24 | spr5 | the betos steak burrito is pretty good |
| 00:55.29 | brailsmt | my 4 year old has a major ear infection *AND* strep throat with a fever of 103, and she is still smiling playing like nothing was wrong... |
| 00:55.33 | brailsmt | i just don't get it... |
| 00:55.44 | brailsmt | i get the sniffles and I am in bed... :) |
| 00:56.04 | brailsmt | emcnabb++ |
| 00:56.58 | brailsmt | when she was 4 months old we flew to MO, and she two bad ear infections which are supposed to be really painful on a pressurized plane... not a peep |
| 00:57.18 | brailsmt | i could use some of her pain tolerance :) |
| 00:57.58 | brailsmt | my 5 year old, stubs her toe, and you would think she broke her foot, leg, pelvis, a few ribs, and her arm... |
| 00:58.05 | brailsmt | :D |
| 00:58.33 | brailsmt | you another Utah oddity... |
| 00:58.40 | brailsmt | restaurants take checks... |
| 00:58.51 | brailsmt | that is so not like the rest of the world... |
| 00:58.56 | spr5 | nah, the real oddity is fast food taking credit |
| 00:59.16 | brailsmt | that is a nationwide trend though... |
| 01:00.25 | brailsmt | i was shocked the first time I went to McD's and someone write a check... I was thinking "no way, that is crazy" |
| 01:00.58 | hans | brailsmt: in NM some would take checks. offer plastic and they looked at you like you were from mars |
| 01:01.38 | brailsmt | yeah, i am obviously speaking like a person that has lived in UT for the last 6 years... |
| 01:01.44 | hans | ironically, the thing I always would note when we'd visit utah is that nobody would take an out-of-state check at a gas station. |
| 01:02.07 | hans | and then on the other side of the trust coin you could fill up before paying |
| 01:02.13 | hans | I mean, make up your mind! |
| 01:02.18 | brailsmt | when i worked at McD's the owner always floated from $1500-$2000 in bad checks... |
| 01:02.43 | brailsmt | so remind me again, why checks are a good thing for fast food? |
| 01:02.53 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:03.14 | brailsmt | i always carried cash in HS so I could go to a restaurant... I never carry cash here... |
| 01:10.24 | hans | http://www.995soft.com/995units/ |
| 01:10.28 | hans | look at the bottom |
| 01:12.13 | brailsmt | look for what/ |
| 01:12.45 | brailsmt | that is based on Units? |
| 01:13.03 | jakea | brailsmt: How am I wrong? When I went to DC, they had heavy rail, when I want to Oakland/ SF, they had heavy rail. Utah's solution is to pave the state |
| 01:13.13 | jakea | -want +went |
| 01:13.52 | brailsmt | jakea: utah is not a paved state |
| 01:14.00 | jakea | it's getting there |
| 01:14.01 | brailsmt | at least not compared to MO |
| 01:14.07 | brailsmt | not even close... |
| 01:14.15 | jakea | never been there, but I'll take your word for it |
| 01:14.36 | jakea | okay, but just because MO is worse doesn't mean making UT worse that it is right |
| 01:14.40 | brailsmt | there is only one interstate, and one belt route, and the mass transit functions, they recently added light rail |
| 01:15.22 | hans | based on units, yes. but I see no mention of source code availability. So I emailed them and asked if I bought it would they give me the source code. :) |
| 01:15.57 | brailsmt | mass transit sucks in KC, it has 5 interstates and two belt routes, of course the pop of the KC metro area is greater than all of UT :) |
| 01:16.04 | jakea | we need heavy rail from Brigham to Provo, but our solution is to make Legacy Hwy. and kill birds, cause as my aunt-in-law says, the birds will just move |
| 01:16.32 | jakea | comparing other states to utah doesn't make what utah does right |
| 01:16.33 | brailsmt | the problem with UT is there is no room between the mountains... |
| 01:16.49 | jakea | there are (was) unused tracks they could have used |
| 01:17.00 | brailsmt | and what room there is a salty lake that produces lots of insects... |
| 01:17.21 | jakea | and smelly, I work at Antelope Island, beleive me I know |
| 01:17.59 | brailsmt | thats one reason I don't like living in a valley, you never see the horizon, it just feels closed |
| 01:18.34 | brailsmt | you never see 60000ft thunderheads lumbering turning night to day *sigh* |
| 01:18.37 | brailsmt | argh... |
| 01:18.43 | brailsmt | tr/night/day |
| 01:18.43 | spr5 | most of 995soft's program's appear to be GPL'd |
| 01:18.45 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:18.45 | jakea | I like the mountains |
| 01:19.13 | brailsmt | yeah me to, I love to mountain bike, but I don't like feeling closed in in a valley |
| 01:19.14 | hans | spr5: gpl'd, or based off gpl software? where are you seeing their license? |
| 01:19.19 | jakea | as a friend of mine from back east put in, Utah is 2 dimentional |
| 01:19.38 | brailsmt | i don't mind if they sell it, but they need to provide the source... |
| 01:19.39 | jakea | -in +it |
| 01:19.53 | spr5 | hans, says "released under the GPL", that's what I'm going off of |
| 01:19.58 | brailsmt | selling isn't against the GPL... |
| 01:20.33 | brailsmt | "based on units, [which is] released under the GPL" |
| 01:21.22 | spr5 | hm. This is curious, doesn't the GPL require derivitive works to be GPL'd too? |
| 01:21.41 | hans | yes |
| 01:22.06 | hans | that's my point. If they're releasing it under the gpl that's fine (you can charge, so long as you provide the source to the people who buy it and they can distribute it as gpl if they want) |
| 01:22.18 | brailsmt | they link to the FSF from their home page... I doubt they are in violation of the GPL |
| 01:22.45 | spr5 | but where is the source? |
| 01:22.48 | brailsmt | hans: only if they modify it can they redistribute it, IIRC |
| 01:23.00 | brailsmt | spr5: i bet if you buy it you get the source if you ask... |
| 01:23.07 | hans | which is what I just did |
| 01:23.14 | brailsmt | which is fulfulling their obligation under the gpl |
| 01:23.14 | hans | so we'll see |
| 01:24.05 | hans | brailsmt: you don't have to have modified it to redistribute it |
| 01:24.06 | brailsmt | hans: so was this a pruchase to test them, or did you really want the software? |
| 01:24.47 | brailsmt | hans: the point is really moot anyway, since you can modify a single line by adding a semicolon at the end of the line and you are modifying it :) |
| 01:24.51 | hans | i want something that does this. whether I want theirs is up in the air (actually I think I've found a better one that's binary free) |
| 01:25.52 | brailsmt | of course SCO should see this... of course it would cause Darl to segfault all over the floor... |
| 01:25.55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:27.18 | brailsmt | like a fish... |
| 01:27.20 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:59.29 | spr5 | ~slashdot |
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| 02:16.47 | hans | mm |
| 02:16.48 | hans | Dear Customer, |
| 02:16.48 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.48 | hans | Please send your message again as I am not able to read it |
| 02:16.48 | hans | (it shows up as two attachments.) |
| 02:16.51 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.53 | hans | Best regards, |
| 02:16.56 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.58 | hans | -Phil |
| 02:17.03 | hans | hmm, wonder what email program he's using. |
| 02:18.23 | wolfepak | :) |
| 02:22.09 | brailsmt | the same one my dad does... :( |
| 02:22.35 | brailsmt | bout freaking time on broadband price cuts |
| 02:23.34 | brailsmt | i liked the SCOrched Earth headline today at /. |
| 02:25.56 | wolfepak | well, just reading it........ I want to be a lawyer for SCO, if they get sold! |
| 02:26.08 | wolfepak | That could be bigg money |
| 02:26.55 | wolfepak | of course I dont think I could take tainted money, I would feel like I was stealing from charity or something |
| 02:29.33 | brailsmt | i would feel good taking it, since I know that the act which precipitated me getting the money ended the whole debacle... |
| 02:31.03 | wolfepak | :D |
| 02:31.53 | wolfepak | which is why we are not lawyers for SCO (and the absence of a law degree :) ) |
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| 16:48.43 | hans | hello, comrade |
| 16:51.33 | sjansen | ~whaleslap hans |
| 16:51.36 | | ACTION slaps hans upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 17:02.49 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:06.25 | hans | bonez39: ping |
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| 18:10.36 | sjansen | http://www.softwarereality.com/lifecycle/role_fragmentation.jsp |
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| 22:11.06 | hans | well, this 995 units thing comes with the source code. too bad I already found one that doesn't cost 995 |
| 22:19.09 | emcnabb | how in the heck can I get pine for fedora? |
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