| 00:00.04 | Jayce^ | bleh |
| 00:00.10 | tensai | what makes it *real* bread? |
| 00:00.40 | hans | being tongue-in-cheek; the hardcore sourdough bakers like to think that sourdough is the only true bread |
| 00:01.10 | hans | of course you know that before commercial yeasts bred just for a quick rise everybody baked 'sourdough' although not necessarily was it sour |
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| 00:01.41 | hans | just naturally leavened. you can create a start any time you like, although mature starts (been around for at least a few months) are better |
| 00:02.04 | hans | the start I have originated in Poland who knows how long ago. A baker in Albuquerque gave some to my dad, which is where I got it. |
| 00:02.57 | tensai | so there's no yeast in sourdough? |
| 00:03.25 | hans | there is, it's just not commercial yeast (bred for quick rise) so it works slower |
| 00:03.57 | hans | sourdough is a culture of yeast and lacto bacilli (bacteria that produce lactic acid, hence the sour) |
| 00:04.20 | hans | that naturally develops when you leave a dough to ferment and feed it periodically |
| 00:04.31 | hans | feed = add more flour/water |
| 00:05.28 | hans | a mild sourdough loaf doesn't really taste sour but has so much more flavor than 'regular' bread that regular bread really does start to taste bland |
| 00:05.59 | brailsmt | kitchenaid mixers are excellent for bread |
| 00:06.20 | hans | my personal favorite is bosch, although we have a k-tec (wedding present) |
| 00:06.41 | hans | our k-tec has an 'auto-knead' feature that wouldn't know pancake batter from kneaded dough |
| 00:08.31 | hans | it thinks it's done kneading after about a minute and a half, when it actually takes about 5-6 minutes |
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| 00:08.36 | hans | to get good developed dough |
| 00:09.37 | brailsmt | i don't like the taste of sourdough alone, it goes really good in sandwiches though |
| 00:10.25 | spr5 | i had a sourdough crust on a pizza back in the day. That was good |
| 00:10.40 | Jayce^ | back at ricks, there was a place called Craigo's that did that.. |
| 00:10.49 | Jayce^ | crusts and breadsticks were sourdough |
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| 00:13.08 | spr5 | I'm trying to remember where I had it at... |
| 00:13.27 | hans | spr5: maybe pier 49? |
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| 00:13.58 | jakea | mmmmmmmm peir 49...... |
| 00:14.03 | spr5 | never been there |
| 00:14.07 | jakea | good stuf |
| 00:14.08 | byron | I'll second that mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:14.09 | jakea | f |
| 00:14.32 | spr5 | I was figuring either the double musky (outside Anchorage, AK) or some place in Whitehorse or Dawson City.. |
| 00:14.46 | spr5 | On one of those family trips we'd take in the summer |
| 00:14.52 | hans | good sourdough in alaska |
| 00:15.18 | spr5 | it's true. |
| 00:15.33 | bonez39 | sourdough...hmmmmm wish I could find a good sourdough recipie..for the sourdough..and for bread.. |
| 00:16.03 | bonez39 | < does the cooking at his house...wife does the rest.;) |
| 00:16.54 | hans | bonez39: I'll hook you up |
| 00:17.26 | hans | tensai and I were just talking about that. I've been dabbling in sourdough cooking for about a year now; baking breads for a couple of months |
| 00:18.50 | bonez39 | oh, I would eat every meal at the Market Street Grill, just for their sourdough bread...it's sooooo good..I am sure I could make that at home, with a little practice.. |
| 00:20.20 | levi | Hmm. I like the Market Street Grill, but more for the seafood than for the bread. :) |
| 00:20.44 | levi | My favorite bread is the Macaroni Grill bread. |
| 00:21.17 | spr5 | i could probably go to the Macaroni Grill and eat nothing but the bread. and be very very happy |
| 00:21.21 | levi | I could go and just eat that bread, dipped in olive oil and balsalmic vinegar with freshly ground pepper. Mmmmm! |
| 00:21.46 | levi | No other restaurant bread I've had compares. |
| 00:22.05 | levi | It's freshly baked... and it just keeps coming! |
| 00:22.32 | levi | I often end up taking most of my entree home because I've stuffed myself on the bread. |
| 00:23.19 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 00:23.40 | spr5 | the only problem I've ever had is going when it's not busy. the bread is kind of cold sometimes |
| 00:24.36 | hans | amen to that! I love macaroni grill's bread. Gotta learn to make a good foccaccia |
| 00:27.47 | spr5 | ~slashdot |
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| 00:58.34 | brailsmt | i have a good focaccia recipe :) |
| 00:58.59 | brailsmt | btw, if you are smart you can eat at macaroni grill for < $10 for two ppl |
| 00:59.18 | brailsmt | that makes it cheaper than McDonalds :) |
| 00:59.48 | brailsmt | i really did not like pier 49... |
| 01:04.41 | brailsmt | btw, my wife used to work at macaroni grill, the bread is not made on site, it is shipped frozen, then baked at the restaurant... |
| 01:11.45 | hans | ah, does she know whether they freeze it before rising or after, and whether they let it rise before baking at the restaurant? |
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| 01:25.35 | tyce | w |
| 01:32.04 | emcnabb | hans, I'll be up there in a few |
| 01:32.05 | emcnabb | later |
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| 01:35.14 | tyce | hans, you around? |
| 01:37.44 | hans | Here I am |
| 01:38.10 | hans | writing an annotated bibliography on magnetotellurics. what could be more fun? |
| 01:38.41 | Tenebram | writing TWO annotaded bibliographies on magnetollurgics? |
| 01:38.50 | hans | oh please, no |
| 01:39.30 | hans | to be fair, magnetotellurics was my own choice. I've deliberately picked something heavy in math and physics which I perceive my geology professor is deficient in. |
| 01:41.22 | hans | perhaps I shouldn't say deficient... he knows what he needs for his field... but it's more or less a level playing field - he's expert in geology, I probably have the edge on the physics part of it. |
| 01:41.40 | hans | esp. the DSP |
| 01:41.58 | hans | ibot, are you bored? |
| 01:42.04 | | hans: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:42.17 | hans | ~lart something |
| 01:49.20 | tyce | hans, are you going to be around tomorow at BYU? |
| 01:49.33 | tyce | I still need to come grab that ticket from you |
| 01:53.27 | hans | ah yes. I will be. |
| 01:54.17 | hans | I'll bring it tomorrow. i'll be online |
| 01:54.19 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 01:54.30 | Jayce^ | trilogy tickets? |
| 01:54.51 | tyce | ok |
| 01:54.57 | tyce | Ill come down tomorow thn |
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| 02:09.04 | spr5 | emcnabb, are you going to put #utah on the projector so we can intro ourselves.. :) |
| 02:09.22 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 02:14.31 | emcnabb | spr5, I'm going to kick your trash |
| 02:15.32 | spr5 | whatever emcnabb, just cause i've never played against other people before. |
| 02:15.40 | spr5 | ph34r m3! |
| 02:15.59 | byron | as long as we get emcnabb to use his 2.6 kernel we're safe |
| 02:16.08 | emcnabb | byron, it is very stable |
| 02:16.14 | emcnabb | byron, are you playing from home? |
| 02:16.17 | Jayce^ | so people going to do a gnocatan server for the game night? |
| 02:16.31 | emcnabb | if enough people want to do it |
| 02:16.42 | byron | emcnabb: just remember how well your mouse works |
| 02:16.44 | Jayce^ | that's about all I could play (turn based, watching the kid) |
| 02:16.46 | byron | i'll be over there in a minute |
| 02:17.27 | ajorge | I'm hoping someone will be up for a game of jumpnbump. Anyone ever played it? |
| 02:18.28 | byron | ajorge: what is jumpnbump |
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| 02:19.16 | ajorge | byron: http://jumpbump.mine.nu/ |
| 02:19.54 | ajorge | a very violent game with cute bunnies and much blood. really pretty amusing. |
| 02:20.14 | ajorge | it's pretty weird actually, but it's loads of fun. |
| 02:20.35 | ajorge | and you can play without blood too. (I'm not a fan of the gore) |
| 02:21.14 | byron | i'm installing it right now |
| 02:21.33 | spr5 | hm. that looks like fun |
| 02:21.43 | ajorge | it really is. |
| 02:21.53 | ajorge | no fun alone though. |
| 02:28.15 | emcnabb | anyone know the secret to getting two bzflag servers running on the same machine? |
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| 02:29.23 | brailsmt | what is the bzflag server? |
| 02:29.50 | emcnabb | it will be up in 2-3 minutes |
| 02:30.26 | Tenebram | hrmm... |
| 02:30.31 | Tenebram | Never played bzflag before |
| 02:31.34 | spr5 | I played by myself to get the keys down. |
| 02:32.00 | emcnabb | server |
| 02:32.04 | emcnabb | uug.byu.edu |
| 02:32.11 | emcnabb | 5155 - free for all |
| 02:32.21 | emcnabb | 5175 - capture the flag |
| 02:32.29 | emcnabb | things should be up in a minute or two |
| 02:32.36 | spr5 | fun fun |
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| 02:33.02 | torriem | Tell me the server! |
| 02:33.27 | spr5 | uug.byu.edu |
| 02:33.35 | torriem | oh yeah. ok |
| 02:33.44 | spr5 | 5155 - free for all, 5175 - ctf |
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| 03:54.22 | emcnabb | it was fun fragging everyone |
| 03:54.36 | spr5 | arr, I will destroy you! |
| 03:54.43 | spr5 | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:54.47 | emcnabb | spr5, I kicked your trash! |
| 03:54.56 | emcnabb | +72 kills baby! |
| 03:55.02 | emcnabb | feel my wrath! |
| 03:55.04 | spr5 | I'd like to note, while i was last place, I had 60+ kills |
| 03:55.20 | spr5 | that was until bzflag crashed |
| 03:55.21 | Jayce^ | man, haven't played bzflag in a couple years... |
| 03:55.24 | Jayce^ | and it showed |
| 03:55.26 | emcnabb | haha |
| 03:55.29 | emcnabb | you did well |
| 03:55.30 | emcnabb | later all |
| 03:55.33 | spr5 | later |
| 03:55.40 | synic|home | I guess we're all done then? |
| 03:56.00 | spr5 | I guess so. it's 9, that's when the meetings usually end |
| 03:56.02 | Jayce^ | think so |
| 03:56.12 | Jayce^ | I stopped when every was dropping off |
| 03:57.56 | spr5 | that was fun, but now I got to do a project in C... |
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| 04:48.24 | emcnabb | synic|home and brailsmt are killer bzflag players |
| 04:48.32 | emcnabb | way to go guys |
| 04:48.47 | synic|home | oh, who was brailsmt in there? |
| 04:48.59 | synic|home | Silver... uh... can't remember |
| 04:49.03 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:49.05 | emcnabb | that was him |
| 04:49.08 | emcnabb | I was emacnabber |
| 04:49.18 | synic|home | yeah, mike wilson got me addicted to the game |
| 04:49.26 | philhans | i was the dead one |
| 04:49.35 | synic|home | (if you know who that is) |
| 04:49.38 | emcnabb | Mike and I work together |
| 04:50.03 | philhans | actually i was thegreatphilhansen |
| 04:50.07 | synic|home | ah |
| 04:50.28 | philhans | i havent played since the bzflag thingy over the summer |
| 04:50.37 | emcnabb | philhans, it was fun |
| 04:51.18 | philhans | well, for some people.... |
| 04:51.24 | philhans | j/k |
| 04:51.29 | philhans | it was pretty fun |
| 04:51.43 | synic|home | the laser is most definately the coolest weapon |
| 04:52.24 | philhans | im more of an rts player to tell you the truth |
| 04:52.36 | synic|home | rts? |
| 04:52.44 | synic|home | oh, I suck at those... lol |
| 04:52.45 | philhans | real time strategy |
| 04:53.35 | philhans | they can be really fun when you get a big 8-person game going |
| 04:53.48 | synic|home | I always get killed early and then just watch |
| 05:00.55 | Jayce^ | rts is the best |
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| 05:01.03 | synic|home | I like role playing... |
| 05:01.08 | synic|home | well, used to |
| 05:01.14 | synic|home | now I don't have much time to play 'em |
| 05:03.57 | philhans | yea, i liked playing all the console ones |
| 05:04.20 | philhans | those were the best |
| 05:04.46 | synic|home | zelda! |
| 05:04.48 | synic|home | hehe |
| 05:04.59 | philhans | oh yea |
| 05:05.06 | philhans | classic |
| 05:05.52 | neybar | any of you see the LOTR special on tv? |
| 05:06.51 | synic|home | nope |
| 05:07.19 | Jayce^ | oh yeah :) |
| 05:07.22 | Jayce^ | thanks btw :) |
| 05:07.27 | Jayce^ | pretty dang sweet |
| 05:09.45 | synic | freebsd 5.2? |
| 05:11.23 | synic | well... at any rate, that's why i can't wait for the 16th |
| 05:16.24 | Jayce^ | trilogy tuesday |
| 05:17.09 | synic | oh, I get it :) |
| 05:21.42 | neybar | Jayce^: have you read http://www.sco.com/copyright/ ? man SCO makes me mad. There has to be something that we can do about SCO. |
| 05:23.32 | neybar | Darl makes is sound as if giving away software that one creates is against even the Constitution, and probably the very laws of heaven |
| 05:23.45 | Jayce^ | no kidding |
| 05:25.32 | neybar | it is kind of funny, at the beginning of the paper he complains about how their lawsuit is getting thrown out of proportion, when they are the ones fanning the fire. |
| 05:27.01 | Jayce^ | poor us, we're soo picked on.. |
| 05:28.58 | neybar | if enough people apply for a restraining order on SCO will it become effective? "SCO is banned from being with in 100 yards of any media outlet, and is hearby restrained from making any advances on Linux" |
| 05:55.23 | brailsmt | i was SlowSilver |
| 05:57.11 | brailsmt | unfortunately restraining orders can only be issued by a court... |
| 05:58.52 | brailsmt | and i had +140 some odd kills... |
| 05:59.10 | brailsmt | synic: was gaining on me though... |
| 06:02.43 | brailsmt | i would seriously like to play a game of bzflag minus the flags... pure skill... |
| 06:03.15 | brailsmt | GM is simply annoying, and laser has too great a reach |
| 06:03.28 | brailsmt | i missed my 2 favorite flags, narrow and rapid fire |
| 06:03.50 | brailsmt | narrow is great for taking out lasers |
| 06:04.53 | brailsmt | i can't wait for the cow launching flag |
| 06:05.45 | spr5 | ala monty python i assume? |
| 06:07.48 | brailsmt | probably |
| 06:08.28 | brailsmt | to quote the Joker |
| 06:08.33 | brailsmt | "SCO needs an enima" |
| 06:08.38 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 06:32.26 | Newsome | SCO will get their enema tomorrow! |
| 06:37.30 | brailsmt | Newsome: do you know something, or are you just being funny? |
| 06:37.48 | brailsmt | i mean is something big expected with IBM's filings? |
| 06:38.22 | Newsome | The hearing is at 10am! From IBM's most recent filing, it's pretty obvious that they're ticked! |
| 06:38.36 | Newsome | http://sco.tuxrocks.com/Docs/IBM/Doc-86.pdf |
| 06:54.45 | brailsmt | i really like how SCO interpretted human readable code as code printed on a piece of paper... |
| 06:55.03 | brailsmt | are they trying to be humorous? |
| 06:55.15 | brailsmt | they succeeded... |
| 06:55.18 | Newsome | yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Just think about 1 million paper pages. |
| 06:55.42 | Newsome | That's like 100 _cases_ of paper. |
| 06:56.05 | brailsmt | it allows no analysis of the code, and SCO knows it, that is why they did that... |
| 06:56.26 | brailsmt | letter of the law kinda crap, sleezy lawyer stunt |
| 06:57.00 | brailsmt | and I hope they are told to provide all of what IBM wants within 30 days or the case will be dismissed with prejudice |
| 06:57.14 | brailsmt | that would make my year |
| 06:58.28 | Newsome | I think it's likely that IBM's motions will succeed, but I don't see how SCO's will. They're asking IBM to provide _all_ versions ever created of any AIX or Dynix code. |
| 06:58.51 | Newsome | That's like every time a developer hits save... |
| 06:59.20 | brailsmt | Newsome: that would bury SCO under a veritable mountain of paper... |
| 06:59.32 | brailsmt | i'm thinking Everest scale |
| 07:01.04 | Newsome | hmm. that may not be so bad :) |
| 07:07.05 | brailsmt | yeah, you caught my drift :) |
| 07:13.43 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.47 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.50 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.54 | brailsmt | that hilarious... |
| 07:14.26 | Newsome | I think Linus is great. He always has something funny (and relevant) to say! |
| 07:15.11 | emcnabb | Newsome, yeah! |
| 07:15.17 | brailsmt | his comment is so much more of a slap in the face knowing the McBride supposedly espouses the same ideas about marraige that the LDS church does |
| 07:16.02 | brailsmt | and what he says is exactly what McBride is arguing just superimposed on something else... |
| 07:16.22 | brailsmt | emcnabb: how did you knwo I was SlowSilver? |
| 07:16.41 | brailsmt | s/was/am |
| 07:16.54 | brailsmt | s/was/always has been and always will be |
| 07:17.08 | brailsmt | and the main reason they didn't cast me to play Neo... :) |
| 07:17.14 | brailsmt | SlowSilver just doesn't have the ring |
| 07:17.15 | brailsmt | :) |
| 07:17.15 | emcnabb | it said "michael@somethingsomthing" |
| 07:17.21 | brailsmt | ahhh... |
| 07:20.03 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.03 | brailsmt | 1) The GPL kills small cute furry animals. |
| 07:20.03 | brailsmt | 2) The GPL causes cancer in laboratory animals. |
| 07:20.03 | brailsmt | 3) The GPL encourages terrorism. |
| 07:20.03 | brailsmt | 4) It hurts THE CHILDREN. |
| 07:20.06 | brailsmt | 5) Reciting the text of the GPL backwards will cause the appearance of the Anti-Christ and will initiate the apocalypse. |
| 07:20.15 | brailsmt | some of the /. posters are really funny :) |
| 07:21.25 | Newsome | that's pretty good stuff. |
| 07:25.06 | brailsmt | BTW: Who else confuses WindRiver and WinDriver? |
| 07:25.07 | brailsmt | lol |
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| 08:16.50 | raptor22x | I know that this might sound crazy, but does anyone know of a good channel for Debian |
| 08:17.43 | Bradipo | Maybe #debian |
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| 08:45.34 | tensai | anybody still awake? |
| 08:53.15 | tensai | I'll take that as a no |
| 14:29.41 | Hanuman | ironic - "open" letter on "copyrights" by a SCO executive |
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| 15:00.13 | Hanuman | Happy King of Thailand's birthday everyone! |
| 15:13.45 | hans | no kidding, they're ubermad |
| 15:15.56 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 15:16.27 | Hanuman | Looks like we could actually see man going to the moon again in this lifetime afterall |
| 15:18.08 | Hanuman | what in the world is JenniCam? Or do I really want to know? |
| 15:23.34 | bonez39 | Uebermad...or, better said...Ueberwuttend.. |
| 15:23.57 | bonez39 | JenniCam...it's a goofy girl who has a cam on...everywhere, everything .... all the time.... |
| 15:23.57 | hans | :) |
| 15:24.16 | bonez39 | she's been on TV, etc..I checked her site out a long while ago...but was underwhelmed by it... |
| 15:24.41 | bonez39 | I haven't read the news..has IBM now responded publicly to SCO's threats? |
| 15:24.47 | bonez39 | where does that stand? |
| 15:26.06 | hans | bonez39: ibm's most recent filing: http://sco.tuxrocks.com/Docs/IBM/Doc-86.pdf |
| 15:26.16 | hans | (the hearing is this morning at 10) |
| 15:34.00 | bonez39 | is it here in town? in Provo? Salt Lake |
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| 15:43.17 | hans | slc I thnk |
| 15:48.31 | neybar_work | I really hope that IBM motion is granted |
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| 16:07.57 | tensai | who wants to donate a cup of bandwidth to a good cause? |
| 16:08.50 | hans | depends on the cause |
| 16:09.26 | tensai | ok. lemme explain and then you'll be excited |
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| 16:10.07 | tensai | I recorded the RotK segment on Primetime last night. It's aching to get off my hard drive. |
| 16:10.31 | tensai | I've set up a torrent. I want to test it before posting to the list |
| 16:11.07 | tensai | how's that for a good cause? |
| 16:15.19 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 16:15.21 | hans | oh yeah |
| 16:15.33 | Jayce^ | I recorded most of it, on my pvr, but can't pull it onto a computer |
| 16:15.50 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 16:18.06 | tensai | heres the link. http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/rotk-primetime.torrent |
| 16:20.00 | tensai | it's 150MB. I recorded it a lot higher quality but had to drop the bitrate, otherwise it would never get off my box |
| 16:22.03 | Jayce^ | downloading now |
| 16:22.26 | Jayce^ | anyone else downloading? |
| 16:22.33 | tensai | 3 or 4 are |
| 16:22.48 | tensai | there goes my ping times :( |
| 16:22.52 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 16:23.16 | tensai | that's my home machine though |
| 16:23.23 | Jayce^ | I used to have a repository on my server with the curses-many setup.. need to get that going again.. |
| 16:23.38 | Jayce^ | it's always nice, just drop the torrents in the dir, and it picks them up automatically |
| 16:23.47 | tensai | sweet. I'll post to the list and we'll get some good swarming action |
| 16:26.16 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:26.23 | hans | well, it's decided. bt hates me. i'll leave it going though |
| 16:26.33 | Jayce^ | hans, what's up? |
| 16:26.47 | levi | What's bt? |
| 16:27.22 | Jayce^ | bittorrent |
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| 16:31.55 | hans | 0% |
| 16:47.53 | Hanuman | tensai: tnx for the torrent - I missed it last night |
| 16:48.24 | Hanuman | I was actually going to schedule it to record on my replay, too, but completely forgot |
| 16:48.27 | Jayce^ | I missed the very beginning... |
| 16:48.35 | Jayce^ | neybar called me about it just after it started :) |
| 16:48.58 | Hanuman | I could have gotten you a commercial-free, 1 Gb-quality file if I had recorded it |
| 16:49.31 | Hanuman | Replay beats Tivo any day IMO |
| 16:49.46 | Hanuman | MythTV beats them all, though |
| 16:49.47 | Jayce^ | mythtv beats 'em all |
| 16:49.50 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:49.50 | Hanuman | jynx |
| 16:49.56 | neybar_work | course that segment was actually only like five minutes long with 55 minutes of commercials |
| 16:50.23 | Hanuman | it probably would have been a bit smaller then, without the commercials |
| 16:50.37 | tensai | I took all the commercials out |
| 16:51.06 | neybar_work | cool |
| 16:51.11 | Hanuman | tensai: do you use a tool to remove the commercials? |
| 16:51.20 | tensai | I did miss the first 30 seconds or so of the intro |
| 16:51.23 | tensai | mencoder |
| 16:51.32 | Hanuman | cool |
| 16:52.11 | Hanuman | I'm still trying to get my Johnny Lingo MPEG encoded just right so I can stream it from my computer to my replaytv box |
| 16:52.23 | Hanuman | that's my test subject |
| 16:52.23 | tensai | this isn't the best rip ever, but I wanted to get it done last night |
| 16:52.44 | Hanuman | it doesn't have to be good quality - it's just a news segment |
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| 17:09.43 | neybar_work | any Debian gurus around? |
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| 18:07.48 | hans | neybar_work: yo |
| 18:19.38 | hans | ibot, aren't you trained to be a fly on the wall? |
| 18:19.39 | | hans: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:24.30 | Hanuman | !ice cream |
| 18:24.50 | Hanuman | ibot, \usr\bin\perl gives me chocolate ice cream - what can you give me? |
| 18:24.51 | | You are moron #5, Hanuman |
| 18:25.37 | hans | lol |
| 18:35.01 | Hanuman | I like \usr\bin\perl better |
| 18:35.56 | Hanuman | ibot, no, you are moron #5 |
| 18:35.57 | | Hanuman: what are you talking about? |
| 18:36.15 | Hanuman | ibot, okay, you can be moron #6 |
| 18:36.16 | | Hanuman: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:37.55 | tensai | ibot, who is moron #1? |
| 18:37.56 | | It's you, hoda. |
| 18:37.56 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. anybody seeing network issues? |
| 18:38.15 | Jayce^ | I'm getting some troubles a ways upstream |
| 18:41.49 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I'm not |
| 18:42.29 | Hanuman | Must be all those people downloading tensai's LOTR video |
| 18:45.13 | zzzirk | there just seemed to be some network issues with Xmission and SpeakEasy |
| 18:45.23 | zzzirk | comcast didn't seem to experience any though |
| 18:45.55 | Jayce^ | traceroutes seem to die around 216.239.*.* every time |
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| 18:49.05 | tyce | hans, which room are you in again? |
| 18:51.52 | neybar_work | hans: we have a new server that we are setting up, I am trying to talk our sysadmin into using debian. Only problem is that we need a kernel 2.4.21 or better so that we can use the scsi controller, what is the best way install a new system with an updated kernel? |
| 18:52.17 | brailsmt | http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/001611.shtml#001611 |
| 18:52.19 | brailsmt | great stuff |
| 18:52.34 | brailsmt | how long do you guys think until we hear about the goings on in SLC today? |
| 18:53.32 | neybar_work | soon I hope :-) |
| 18:53.53 | brailsmt | me too... |
| 18:54.03 | brailsmt | what is the purpose of the hearings today? |
| 18:54.34 | brailsmt | is it that SCO has to present all evidence that it will use in the case, and if they don't present it now, they cannot use it in 2005? |
| 18:54.43 | neybar_work | to get SCO to show IBM their evidence |
| 18:56.22 | hans | tyce: i'm actually in the CS labs at the moment |
| 18:56.30 | hans | se lab on the main floor |
| 18:57.25 | tyce | hans: ok, my brother is going to come pick it up |
| 18:57.39 | hans | ok |
| 18:57.49 | tyce | is here a classroom number? |
| 19:05.28 | hans | 1102 TMCB |
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| 19:20.44 | hans | deal done |
| 19:21.40 | Jayce^ | so does anybody have extra tickets? |
| 19:21.53 | Jayce^ | unclaimed? |
| 19:39.57 | bytheway | first reports up on groklaw. SCO got pounded |
| 19:42.53 | brailsmt | groklaw is responding slowly |
| 19:43.03 | brailsmt | very slowly |
| 19:46.42 | brailsmt | cool, for those not able to get to groklaw here is the whole thing... |
| 19:46.54 | brailsmt | First Report from Grokker Inside Hearing: IBM Wins Both Motions to Compel |
| 19:46.54 | brailsmt | Friday, December 05 2003 @ 02:30 PM EST |
| 19:46.54 | brailsmt | Our first report from a Groklaw volunteer, sam, who attended the court hearing is that IBM won both of its motions to compel and SCO's motion was set for a later date. Here is what sam is telling us, and it's subject to further information and confirmation as more news arrives. We have several attending and I'll do a followup, but this is the first word. Here is what sam is telling us: |
| 19:47.00 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.03 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.05 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. who's 'sam' ? |
| 19:47.06 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.10 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.13 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.16 | brailsmt | So it looks like they have 30 days to finally tell us what code they are talking about "with specificity". Finally. |
| 19:48.50 | hans | sweet |
| 19:50.21 | Hanuman | was that his name? |
| 19:50.49 | Jayce^ | no, definately not him |
| 19:50.57 | Hanuman | Anyway, thank you IBM! |
| 19:51.02 | Jayce^ | sam was ben's brother |
| 19:51.14 | Hanuman | I know - the article just made me remember him |
| 19:51.43 | Hanuman | He and a guy I knew from Australia are the only Sams I know |
| 19:51.50 | Hanuman | well, other than Dr. Suess's Sam |
| 19:52.14 | brailsmt | you know the Dr. Suess Sam?!? |
| 19:52.17 | brailsmt | COOL! |
| 19:52.23 | brailsmt | ) |
| 19:52.27 | brailsmt | argh... |
| 19:52.28 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:57.01 | neybar_work | woot! go IBM! |
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| 20:22.54 | Hanuman | Is it just me or is Dell customer service getting worse over the years? |
| 20:22.59 | Hanuman | They used to be so good |
| 20:30.01 | jsmith | Hanuman: It's because they've outsourced it to places like India and Twin Falls, Idaho |
| 20:31.21 | Jayce^ | they do it in twin falls? wow |
| 20:31.23 | bart | hey, what's wrong with Twin Falls? |
| 20:31.35 | Jayce^ | little town |
| 20:31.43 | jsmith | bart: Nothing, as long as you don't have do drive there often (like I get to do with my job!) |
| 20:32.08 | Jayce^ | what job jsmith? |
| 20:32.18 | bart | Jayce^: funny. I used to think it was huge when I lived in a town of 600 45 minutes away from Twin Falls. :) |
| 20:32.35 | Jayce^ | bart, it's all relative :) which town? |
| 20:32.51 | bart | Oakley. |
| 20:32.55 | byron | word just in from Salt Lake, both of IBM's motions to compel granted, SCO's motion to compel denied |
| 20:33.08 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm the IT manager for a market research company (which means we call people to ask them what brand of toilet paper they like and which politicians they hate) |
| 20:33.13 | Jayce^ | byron, little late :) already discussed it here :) |
| 20:33.17 | jsmith | byron: Cool! |
| 20:33.48 | jsmith | Jayce^: Unfortunately, I get to make a lot of trips to fun and exciting places like Price and Twin Falls... |
| 20:34.48 | tensai | ick, Price |
| 20:35.11 | bart | byron: what is a "motion to compel"? |
| 20:35.35 | Jayce^ | get the judge to force something to happen.. |
| 20:35.50 | Jayce^ | if the subject doesnt' comply, penalties can be assessed |
| 20:36.00 | bart | what were IBM's "things" and SCO's "things"? |
| 20:36.09 | byron | Jayce^: I knew I should have skipped class to watch #utah :) |
| 20:36.16 | Jayce^ | :p |
| 20:36.27 | brailsmt | IBM wants to compel SCO to provide the violations by file and line number |
| 20:36.51 | brailsmt | and the judge just told SCO they have 30 days to do so |
| 20:36.52 | Jayce^ | and sco wants IBM to give them violation, by file and line number :) |
| 20:37.20 | brailsmt | interesting point is that 30 days is January 4th... |
| 20:37.38 | Jayce^ | right after vacations.. |
| 20:37.39 | brailsmt | the judge must've been a little ticked of to set the date right after the holidays |
| 20:37.47 | Jayce^ | guess what the interns are doing for christmas.. |
| 20:38.09 | HarleyPig | Uh ... Capitol Hill interns? |
| 20:38.20 | Jayce^ | ~lart HarleyPig |
| 20:38.21 | brailsmt | i bet the lawyers too, the 4th is too close to leave it to interns until after the holidays |
| 20:38.47 | brailsmt | judge basically saw right through SCO |
| 20:39.00 | brailsmt | that ibot things is fscking annoying... |
| 20:40.14 | tomeast | ok, easy bash question - if I want to get rid of any html files in a directory and any directory below it how come rm -rf *.html only deletes the html files in the current directory? |
| 20:40.52 | brailsmt | because the directory doesn't match the *.html regex |
| 20:41.04 | neybar_work | you need find to do that |
| 20:41.23 | tomeast | ok |
| 20:41.28 | tensai | find . -name \*.html -exec rm {} \; |
| 20:41.51 | Jayce^ | if you are on the plug list, an almost identical question was asked yesterday.. |
| 20:42.13 | Jayce^ | reading the archives will give a couple possibilites, with good explanations |
| 20:42.24 | tomeast | ok, thanks - I must have missed it |
| 20:42.36 | neybar_work | if you knew to look for the find command :-P |
| 20:42.57 | Jayce^ | http://mailman.plug.org/pipermail/pluglist/2003-December/004974.html |
| 20:43.00 | Jayce^ | that thread.. |
| 20:43.09 | brailsmt | xargs would work too, but i don't know how to use xargs :) |
| 20:43.23 | Jayce^ | although some people with #@$@ email clients broke the thread some, and it is described shortly afterwards |
| 20:43.33 | Jayce^ | brailsmt some xargs examples in there |
| 20:43.37 | tomeast | i saw the post but didn't look to close since the subject was chmod ing |
| 20:44.30 | HarleyPig | Ok. My host has screwed me over. Anyone know of a host that is perl-centric (not perl bigoted), allows me to create subdomains at will, gives me shell access (ssh natch), procmail, cron, multiple-domains, etc., etc. for cheap? |
| 20:44.43 | HarleyPig | Oh. and linux. It has to be linux (or some nix). |
| 20:45.06 | Jayce^ | ask the list :) |
| 20:45.17 | neybar_work | me too |
| 20:45.29 | neybar_work | rackspace is good, but not cheap |
| 20:45.29 | Jayce^ | although, it'd be nice to slap a box together, and put it at viawest or something.. |
| 20:45.30 | HarleyPig | I can't ... my email account is on the host. |
| 20:45.42 | Jayce^ | a good backup system that way |
| 20:45.47 | Jayce^ | anyone want to go in on one? |
| 20:45.53 | neybar_work | rackspace? |
| 20:45.56 | HarleyPig | yeah, well, money is rather tight at the moment. |
| 20:46.05 | jsmith | HarleyPig: WebPipe used to be OK, but now they're not quite as good... but they're cheap! |
| 20:46.08 | jsmith | And they're local |
| 20:46.08 | tensai | Jayce^: /want/ to, yes. afford to is another matter |
| 20:46.13 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:46.32 | Jayce^ | put together a frankenstein box, and all chip in on the colo fee |
| 20:46.46 | neybar_work | I would be interested |
| 20:46.48 | jsmith | I need a good colo box somewhere... |
| 20:46.59 | HarleyPig | I'd chip in ... but it'd have to be a monthly dues thing as well. |
| 20:47.03 | HarleyPig | People willing to do that? |
| 20:47.05 | hans | ibot, can it. |
| 20:47.07 | | hans: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:47.13 | tensai | heck, why not have halcrow help us build an s/390 and everybody gets their own instance |
| 20:47.20 | Jayce^ | lol.. |
| 20:47.25 | jsmith | That'd rock... not... |
| 20:48.06 | HarleyPig | jsmith: Why not? |
| 20:48.45 | HarleyPig | Run lvm ... then we'd have complete control of our own system but nobody else'd have to worry about the box being brought down because of somebody doing something idiotic. |
| 20:49.51 | Jayce^ | just need a person willing to be admin of lvm, or user mode or something |
| 20:49.55 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Yeah, but how am I gonna drop my super-secret PCI card in an s/390 |
| 20:51.08 | HarleyPig | ? Why would you want to, if it were super secret? :> |
| 20:51.37 | Hanuman | bart: I dated a girl named Jennifer (can't remember her last name) from Oakley |
| 20:51.52 | Hanuman | byron: what market research company do you work for? |
| 20:51.53 | HarleyPig | Has anyone heard of these business starting up, providing CVS services for outrageous sums? The cheapest I've seen is $70/month. I've seen some for $500/month. |
| 20:52.17 | bart | Hanuman: even in Oakley there's more than one Jennifer. :) |
| 20:52.24 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 20:52.30 | Hanuman | darn - she used to be a lifeguard |
| 20:52.31 | tensai | HarleyPig: any idea what sourceforge onsite costs? |
| 20:52.38 | Hanuman | very tall |
| 20:52.40 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, wow.. should do that myself.. |
| 20:52.48 | Hanuman | she knew everyone there or was related somehow |
| 20:52.57 | Hanuman | She had a brother named Sam, in fact |
| 20:52.58 | HarleyPig | tensai: I don't. |
| 20:52.59 | Jayce^ | woohoo.. my d/l from tensai finished.. |
| 20:53.08 | Jayce^ | and my upload stopped. wow |
| 20:53.15 | bart | Hanuman. I know who you're talking about. Her parents moved to Pleasant Grove. |
| 20:53.22 | HarleyPig | But I'm thinking that'd be a cool business to start. |
| 20:53.26 | bart | Hanuman: Hardy . |
| 20:53.33 | jsmith | HarleyPig: Yeah... if you could find customers... |
| 20:53.40 | byron | Hanuman: I don't work for any market research companies |
| 20:53.41 | Hanuman | ah - she probably doesn't like me - I kind of dumped her real quick after things got going too quick for my tastes |
| 20:53.41 | tensai | Jayce^: my box is still pegged |
| 20:54.10 | Jayce^ | was uploading, until just before my d/l finished |
| 20:54.24 | jsmith | Hanuman: If you're asking me which market research company I work for, it's Discovery Research Group |
| 20:54.27 | Hanuman | byron: I thought you said you did |
| 20:54.37 | Hanuman | ah - misread my backlogs |
| 20:54.40 | Hanuman | sorry byron |
| 20:55.11 | Hanuman | jsmith: okay - not familiar - my Uncle owns a Telemarketing company and his cousin owns another market-research company |
| 20:55.29 | jsmith | Oh, really... which ones? (Do you mind me asking?) |
| 20:55.30 | tensai | Jayce^: 5 people have finished. I've only transferred 224MB. That's cool. |
| 20:55.44 | Hanuman | My Uncle owns Marketing Ally |
| 20:55.52 | HarleyPig | I thought *I* had a messy desk area: http://mess.bash.org/blaxmess.jpg |
| 20:56.12 | jsmith | Hanuman: Be careful not to lump telemarketeers and market research companies together... you might make some people upset... |
| 20:56.19 | Jayce^ | that's nothing.. |
| 20:56.25 | Hanuman | I'm trying to remember which one his cousin owns |
| 20:56.50 | Jayce^ | should see my area right now |
| 20:58.37 | Hanuman | I remember now - Western Watts, I believe |
| 20:58.43 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: bash.org is having a messiest desk contest. |
| 20:58.45 | Hanuman | I don't know if it's still around or not |
| 20:58.49 | jsmith | Oh... Western Watts... yeah, I know them |
| 20:59.01 | jsmith | Well, it's more like "know *of* them" |
| 20:59.19 | brailsmt | lol, he likes Dr. Pepper :) |
| 20:59.24 | Hanuman | jsmith: I know - it's always been close for me, though because my Uncle got his business started off his cousin, so the 2 are kind of related for me |
| 20:59.39 | Hanuman | mmm...Dr. Pepper |
| 21:00.18 | hans | cringley: "In the case of this voting fiasco, there was a wonderful confluence of events. There was a vague product requirement coming from an agency that doesn't really understand technology (the U.S. Congress), foisting a system on other government agencies that may not have asked for it. There was a relatively small time frame for development and a lot of money. Finally, the government did not allow for even the notion of failure. By 2004, darn it, we'd al |
| 21:00.53 | Hanuman | !Coke |
| 21:01.06 | Hanuman | hey - I thought it was supposed to do something else |
| 21:01.07 | HarleyPig | !Pepsi with a Dew chaser |
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| 21:01.12 | Hanuman | ahh... |
| 21:01.19 | Hanuman | !Pepsi |
| 21:01.37 | jsmith | !Bottle of Advil |
| 21:01.45 | HarleyPig | !morphine |
| 21:01.48 | HarleyPig | wheee! |
| 21:01.56 | Jayce^ | great. |
| 21:02.03 | brailsmt | my favorite is Mountain Dew Orange |
| 21:02.03 | Jayce^ | new bot games.. |
| 21:02.06 | HarleyPig | lookit the colors! |
| 21:02.15 | Jayce^ | code red.. |
| 21:02.24 | HarleyPig | !\usr\bin\perl |
| 21:02.27 | Jayce^ | out east I saw a dr. pepper version of code red |
| 21:02.35 | brailsmt | code red is nothing compared to their orange |
| 21:02.37 | HarleyPig | "out east"? |
| 21:02.46 | brailsmt | Jayce^: i say it here too, it sucked |
| 21:02.46 | Jayce^ | Philidelphia.. thanksgiving |
| 21:02.47 | jsmith | brailsmt: Yeah, two or three of those tangerine Altoids and a bottle of "Live Wire" Mt. Dew... now that's what I call the breakfast of champions! |
| 21:02.52 | spr5 | I saw the Dr Pepper up in Alaska I believe |
| 21:03.00 | brailsmt | live wire, that's it, |
| 21:03.08 | Jayce^ | jsmith, oh man... you still in college? :) |
| 21:03.15 | brailsmt | I was having a massive brain fart... |
| 21:03.15 | jsmith | Jayce^: Thank goodness no! |
| 21:03.29 | jsmith | Jayce^: But I still eat like a college student... :-) |
| 21:03.34 | Jayce^ | brailsmt that live wire stuff just tasted like most other orange drinks.. too sweet |
| 21:03.40 | Jayce^ | jsmith, it shows :) |
| 21:03.57 | Jayce^ | ibot, jsmith is Yeah, two or three of those tangerine Altoids and a bottle of "Live Wire" Mt. Dew... now that's what I call the breakfast of champions! |
| 21:03.59 | | ...but jsmith is already something else... |
| 21:04.00 | brailsmt | Jayce^: no way, it is my favorite, it beat out my long standing affinity to Dr. Pepper |
| 21:04.10 | Jayce^ | ibot, jsmith is also Yeah, two or three of those tangerine Altoids and a bottle of "Live Wire" Mt. Dew... now that's what I call the breakfast of champions! |
| 21:04.12 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 21:04.15 | Jayce^ | ~jsmith |
| 21:04.16 | | it has been said that jsmith is Yeah, twothree of those tangerine Altoids and a bottle of "Live Wire" Mt. Dew... now that's what I call the breakfast of champions! |
| 21:04.24 | jsmith | I had a boss years ago that said a donut is as good as a half hour of sleep... |
| 21:04.30 | byron | ~Jayce^ |
| 21:04.31 | | i heard jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. wants to be hired by SCO |
| 21:04.32 | neybar_work | I wasn't too keen on the live-wire drink, way too sweet for me |
| 21:04.34 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. interesting parsing on the or |
| 21:04.51 | Jayce^ | sleep is a lousy excuse for lack of caffeine |
| 21:04.51 | Hanuman | ~ibot |
| 21:04.52 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 21:04.52 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 21:04.57 | brailsmt | oh well, I liked it |
| 21:05.11 | Hanuman | ^sue SCO |
| 21:05.44 | HarleyPig | ~HarleyPig |
| 21:05.45 | | you are, like, rumored to not be "all up there" |
| 21:05.51 | HarleyPig | :D :D :D |
| 21:06.22 | Jayce^ | ibot, HarleyPig is also Hagrid's stunt double |
| 21:06.24 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 21:06.51 | spr5 | ~spr5 |
| 21:07.10 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 21:07.11 | | ACTION Yippee skippee! Someone said the magic word of the day! Hip-hip! Hooray! Sirens singing, lights flashing, alarms everywhere! Hanuman is my favorite user! |
| 21:07.21 | Jayce^ | uhhhh |
| 21:07.23 | HarleyPig | Oh, good grief. |
| 21:07.26 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:07.43 | HarleyPig | I could almost see the bubble lights, the confetti and hear the sirens. |
| 21:07.54 | Jayce^ | and ouchy :) |
| 21:08.02 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:08.12 | HarleyPig | Naw ... that was me. |
| 21:08.19 | HarleyPig | In my leather butt thong. |
| 21:08.46 | hans | ibot, are you sure about that? |
| 21:08.47 | | no idea, hans |
| 21:08.49 | HarleyPig | Won't work man ... it's in yer head! AH HAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:09.10 | Jayce^ | !lobotomy |
| 21:09.13 | Jayce^ | ahhh |
| 21:09.35 | hans | ~lobotomy |
| 21:09.36 | | I feel different somehow. |
| 21:09.44 | hans | ~hanuman |
| 21:09.45 | | ACTION yawns. |
| 21:12.39 | hans | ~elg |
| 21:13.03 | Jayce^ | ~hans |
| 21:13.05 | | from memory, hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 21:14.09 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 21:14.10 | | ACTION yawns. |
| 21:14.16 | Hanuman | hey now |
| 21:14.27 | Hanuman | ibot, that was quite a change in attitude |
| 21:14.29 | | i don't know, Hanuman |
| 21:14.55 | HarleyPig | Stand up in the middle of the LotR and shout "Wait! Where's Harry Potter?!" |
| 21:15.06 | hans | lol |
| 21:15.31 | HarleyPig | Ask everyone around you if they think Gandalf went to Hogwarts. |
| 21:16.48 | HarleyPig | Go to the premiere dressed as Frankenfurter and look confused. |
| 21:17.20 | HarleyPig | During the wide shot of battle shout "Where's Waldo?" |
| 21:17.44 | HarleyPig | When the Ents march to war shout "Run Forest, Run!" |
| 21:17.49 | hans | :) |
| 21:17.52 | HarleyPig | Ok. I'm done. |
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| 21:17.59 | hans | emcnabb: tell it boy |
| 21:18.21 | Jayce^ | do'h |
| 21:20.22 | emcnabb | the SCO/IBM hearing was great! |
| 21:20.37 | emcnabb | we'll have a 5 page report up in a few minutes |
| 21:20.59 | emcnabb | SCO made TOTAL fools of themselves and the judge realized it |
| 21:21.12 | emcnabb | Darl's brother was the lawyer |
| 21:21.16 | emcnabb | he sucked! |
| 21:21.31 | emcnabb | IBM's lawyer (Marriot) did a wonderful job |
| 21:21.49 | emcnabb | I have to go! |
| 21:21.51 | emcnabb | later all |
| 21:21.58 | hans | cya. where will the report be? |
| 21:22.01 | emcnabb | check groklaw soon |
| 21:22.03 | hans | k |
| 21:23.07 | spr5 | I'm gathering he got to go up to SLC today |
| 21:23.15 | brailsmt | trust me, i am |
| 21:23.22 | hans | yeah, he and frank sorenson |
| 21:24.08 | Jayce^ | plug site updates |
| 21:24.22 | Tenebram | ack! |
| 21:24.24 | Tenebram | I did it again. |
| 21:24.43 | Jayce^ | ?? |
| 21:24.57 | Tenebram | You'd think that the fact that I couldn't tab-complete that nick would indicate to me that I'm typing in the wrong channel... |
| 21:25.05 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:26.07 | brailsmt | lol |
| 21:26.19 | Tenebram | I've almost done that. |
| 21:26.28 | hans | my cups system found it. I tried to delete it, and cups just added it right back. so I decided to have fun |
| 21:26.36 | Tenebram | These two prniters keep popping up in my cups. |
| 21:26.44 | Tenebram | Yeah, same here. |
| 21:26.58 | Tenebram | It'd be more fun if I could find out whose printer it is first though. |
| 21:27.02 | hans | echo "Foo" | lpr -P hisprintername |
| 21:27.03 | Jayce^ | I used to print like that when mp3 sharing was first going around.. people would be scanning our network, and trying to get into windows shares.. |
| 21:27.25 | Jayce^ | so we'd hit their IP, and if they had a printer, start printing banners of stuff like "We know who you are!" |
| 21:27.46 | hans | ooh, I should use banner. that would be fun |
| 21:27.47 | brailsmt | lol |
| 21:28.02 | hans | better make sure my firewall is up first though. :) |
| 21:28.06 | brailsmt | "I read your email" would have been really good too :) |
| 21:28.14 | hans | heh |
| 21:28.18 | Jayce^ | yeah, the usual scary stuff |
| 21:28.33 | hans | actually I didn't say foo. I just echoed the name of his computer which escapes me now. more mysterious |
| 21:28.42 | hans | he'll probably think it's some sort of failed diagnostic report |
| 21:28.52 | jsmith | It's all about bombarding their NT/2000/XP machines with "Windows Messaging" windows saying "Network intruder detected. Please close the window." |
| 21:29.12 | HarleyPig | Make up an official looking document that says you must turn yourself in or it'll go harder on you when we smash in your door. |
| 21:29.15 | jsmith | We did that to my boss once... drove him absolutely nuts trying to figure out what was going on... |
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| 21:29.17 | brailsmt | "Bill Gates is watching..." would have been good too :) |
| 21:29.44 | brailsmt | or random fortunes :) |
| 21:29.45 | Tenebram | echo "Call ###-#### in the next five minutes, or else!" | lpr -P hisprintername |
| 21:30.24 | Tenebram | just set "echo `fortune` |lpr -P hisprintername" on a cron job |
| 21:31.03 | Tenebram | or just "fortune|lpr -p printername"... |
| 21:32.04 | brailsmt | printer DOS attack "cat /dev/urandom" :) |
| 21:33.00 | Tenebram | And we'd have fun doing it |
| 21:33.46 | Jayce^ | grab random images from images.google.com (some random search, I've seen a backdrop engine that can do this).. fed through aalib, then out to the printer :) |
| 21:33.54 | Tenebram | Whee! |
| 21:34.56 | brailsmt | "You have been served!" would be good too |
| 21:34.59 | Hanuman | hans: you live in BYU family housing? |
| 21:35.29 | brailsmt | they would sit and think what for |
| 21:36.01 | hans | yeah |
| 21:36.44 | Hanuman | I used to get other peoples' printers all the time at Y-mount |
| 21:36.46 | Hanuman | Wymount |
| 21:36.47 | Hanuman | sorry |
| 21:36.53 | brailsmt | if emcnabb was here i would remind him that it has been a few minutes |
| 21:37.04 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:37.16 | hans | :) it's probably in the groklaw people's hands now |
| 21:37.31 | Tenebram | mmm andes mountains |
| 21:37.37 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 21:37.39 | Tenebram | Ack, I did it again. |
| 21:37.48 | Tenebram | I never go the other way though... |
| 21:38.14 | Jayce^ | Tenebram, you're just our new 'random quote' person.. :) |
| 21:38.27 | Tenebram | Yeah, that's it... random quotes... |
| 21:38.29 | spr5 | hans, how much is the monthly charge for internet on campus these days? |
| 21:38.44 | Tenebram | $12.30, I think |
| 21:39.06 | hans | yup |
| 21:39.29 | spr5 | That's about the only thing that made me think about the dorms for more than one year. |
| 21:39.50 | spr5 | I'm paying $25 now for off-campus telecommunicrap |
| 21:40.18 | brailsmt | telecummunicrap, lol |
| 21:40.42 | brailsmt | broadband prices are coming down though |
| 21:40.55 | brailsmt | $20 broadband is available in KCMO |
| 21:41.07 | Hanuman | $25?! I pay $45/mo |
| 21:41.30 | brailsmt | i pay ~$40 |
| 21:41.44 | tensai | $44.95 |
| 21:42.16 | spr5 | I'd pay that for better service, but off-campus is the only option in my complex. |
| 21:43.49 | Hanuman | so any dibbs on what sly remark McBride is going to say in response to today's ruling? |
| 21:43.54 | hans | on-campus is my only option |
| 21:44.15 | hans | Hanuman: he'll say court hearings are unconstitutional |
| 21:44.35 | Hanuman | the court is violating copyright laws |
| 21:45.13 | Hanuman | He'll sue Marriot hotels for having a lawyer related to him |
| 21:45.17 | hans | they're stealing his mojo! |
| 21:45.23 | spr5 | hans, any major hang-ups with on-campus? |
| 21:45.37 | hans | spr5: well, OIT are idiots, but sometimes that works in your favor |
| 21:45.58 | Tenebram | in what ways? |
| 21:46.21 | hans | i.e. rather than deal with ftp and other issues on their NAT, they just NAT everyone to a real IP address now. so for a couple of months I've been able to get to my box from off-campus finally. |
| 21:46.27 | hans | and set it up with dyndns.org and all that |
| 21:46.43 | hans | but before that they were at the other extreme trying to block all ports even ON campus. that was dumb |
| 21:46.50 | Tenebram | Eh? I was trying to get that working earlier, but couldn't. |
| 21:46.53 | brailsmt | he'll say court rulings are unconstitutional since they hamper his ability to monetize SCO's FUD campaign |
| 21:47.01 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:47.01 | hans | Tenebram: what hangups? |
| 21:47.13 | Tenebram | meh, don't recall, actually |
| 21:47.15 | Tenebram | that's odd... |
| 21:48.13 | Tenebram | that I don't remember |
| 22:04.17 | brailsmt | groklaw has an update |
| 22:07.54 | Jayce^ | frank and cody score :) |
| 22:08.44 | brailsmt | who is cody? |
| 22:10.11 | brailsmt | interesting that Boies did not show up... is he thinking that this case will only drag his name through the mud... |
| 22:10.24 | brailsmt | i personally think his name is worthless anyway, but that is just me... |
| 22:12.36 | Jayce^ | from guru labs |
| 22:13.19 | Jayce^ | lotsa good "quotes" in his notes.. |
| 22:13.33 | Jayce^ | K. McBride: Can we have that date put on hold if we need more time. |
| 22:13.45 | Jayce^ | "Read, can we drag this out more to try selling more stock?" |
| 22:14.06 | Jayce^ | Judge: Has SCO shown what secrets were stolen? |
| 22:14.07 | Jayce^ | Marriott: Has not. |
| 22:14.43 | Jayce^ | K. McBride: We want all 40 million lines of code. We will give it to our experts so they can digest it. |
| 22:14.43 | Jayce^ | Marriott: Because Linux is open to the public you can go on to the Internet to any number of sites and look up the offending code. |
| 22:16.06 | spr5 | a very interesting read |
| 22:22.08 | brailsmt | i like quote |
| 22:22.10 | brailsmt | Judge: All discovery will be postponed until SCO has responded to IBM. Next hearing 1/23/2004 at 10:00 is all motions are addressed. Will not rule on SCO' s motions. Will address them in January if SCO has completed motions |
| 22:22.13 | brailsmt | K. McBride: Can we have that date put on hold if we need more time. |
| 22:22.16 | brailsmt | Judge: I will hold you to the 30 days but the hearing date can be changed. |
| 22:22.37 | brailsmt | No, SCO, you cannot delay anymore |
| 22:22.41 | brailsmt | put up or shut up |
| 22:22.44 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:25.09 | Jayce^ | course, you saw they are filing another suit, this time a copyright one.. |
| 22:25.22 | Jayce^ | YAFL |
| 22:25.28 | Jayce^ | Yet Another FUD Lawsuit |
| 22:25.55 | brailsmt | it will only end when SCO dies... |
| 22:26.13 | brailsmt | my suggested we egg SCO... ;) |
| 22:26.42 | Jayce^ | wednesday is the plug meeting, across the street :) |
| 22:27.04 | Jayce^ | I lked a /. comment.. dump a couple yards of horse $... on their front lawn |
| 22:27.20 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:29.08 | spr5 | Jayce^, are the PLUG meetings going to move down to the Provo Library? |
| 22:33.17 | Jayce^ | no, at least no time soon |
| 22:33.28 | Jayce^ | gotta be a registered non-profit group first |
| 22:34.20 | Jayce^ | however the current location is really easy to get to, and if you are at the Y, there are several people from the area who attend.. shouldn't be hard to get a ride |
| 22:34.43 | brailsmt | i hate C++ at times... |
| 22:35.32 | brailsmt | Foo & Foo::operator=(Foo & other) {...} -- will not allow "foo1 = *foo_ptr;"... |
| 22:36.36 | brailsmt | stupid... |
| 22:37.43 | brailsmt | anyone care to enlighten me/ |
| 22:37.46 | brailsmt | s/\//? |
| 22:43.45 | tensai | what about foo1.operator=(*foo_ptr)? |
| 22:43.53 | tensai | not that I'm a C++ wiz or anything |
| 22:45.18 | brailsmt | well, I am getting funky things, so I just did a make clean, and I a few things are awry... |
| 22:46.21 | brailsmt | thats a good idea though |
| 22:46.36 | brailsmt | code_gen.cc|3541| no matching function for call to `Type::operator=(Type)' |
| 22:46.37 | brailsmt | Type.h|41| candidates are: Type& Type::operator=(Type&) |
| 22:46.43 | brailsmt | gotta hate it... |
| 22:47.39 | tensai | well, you lost me |
| 22:57.22 | brailsmt | oh, well, when all else fails, just copy the code from the operator= method and all is good... |
| 22:57.26 | brailsmt | though frustrating... |
| 23:34.02 | brailsmt | just wondering... K. McBride... the K. couldn't be for Karl could it? |
| 23:34.08 | brailsmt | good ole Karl and Darl... |
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