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| 01:31.01 | emcnabb | hans, it arrived! |
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| 02:24.26 | jayce_ | so my lockup isn't the nvidia driver. locked up last time with the nv driver in debian |
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| 03:34.34 | jakea | spr5: You seen any sign of that urpmi thing being fixed? |
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| 03:45.00 | spr5 | jakea: haven't checked on it lately. |
| 03:47.11 | spr5 | I've been running uprmi.update on my contrib medium, and have had no change yet |
| 03:58.26 | jakea | me neither |
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| 03:59.44 | spr5 | i just checked the forums, and the problems posted but no solutions yet |
| 04:02.05 | jakea | oh well |
| 04:02.59 | byron | do I hear talk of fun, unsolved problems? |
| 04:03.36 | jakea | ya..... Mandrake 9.2 has minor urpmi issues |
| 04:03.56 | jakea | you can work around them easily enough, no reboot or reinstall required |
| 04:04.37 | byron | ahh, nothing too serious then |
| 04:04.41 | jakea | nah |
| 04:05.01 | byron | so, what distribution is going to have a server hacked next? |
| 04:05.19 | jakea | heh, poor debian |
| 04:05.30 | byron | and gentoo |
| 04:05.31 | jakea | my vote is lindows |
| 04:05.49 | byron | maybe lindows will get a server hacked with a windows virus :) |
| 04:06.32 | jakea | I read that the way lindows sets up linux, it's pretty much as good (security wise) as Windows |
| 04:06.49 | jakea | runs everything as root |
| 04:08.48 | byron | is anyone here taking CS240 at BYU right now? |
| 04:09.04 | jakea | what is CS240? |
| 04:09.19 | hans | i have taken it, if that helps |
| 04:09.19 | byron | I saw messages on the uug list about problems with their GUI and I was hoping to fix the intructions. |
| 04:09.49 | byron | hmmm, I guess I'll have to install the old gtkmm stuff and play with it. |
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| 04:43.16 | jakea | okay vim expert worshipers |
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| 04:43.50 | jakea | vi thinks it has to indent everything when I try to copy lines of code from on file to another, how do I make it stop doing that |
| 04:44.05 | jakea | emacs doesn't do that |
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| 04:54.27 | Jayce^ | jakea, now you made me forget the command.. it's a simple one though |
| 04:54.32 | Jayce^ | haven't used it in a bit |
| 04:54.34 | jakea | :set paste |
| 04:54.43 | jakea | thank you Andrew Jorgenson |
| 04:57.16 | Jayce^ | I know there is another way too |
| 04:58.52 | Jayce^ | so what do I need to edit to make my stupid gtk/gnome apps fonts? they are all tiny.. |
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| 06:04.09 | jp78 | w |
| 06:04.11 | jp78 | ack |
| 06:04.19 | jp78 | I hate it when I do that |
| 06:05.45 | spr5 | ~slashdot |
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| 14:44.54 | sjansen | http://www.despair.com/persistence.html |
| 14:59.47 | hans | lol |
| 15:00.07 | hans | you know I wouldn't be where I am now if I listened to that advice. :) |
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| 16:18.59 | Jayce^ | http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/index.html |
| 16:20.06 | neybar_work | did any of you read that UserLinux paper by Parens? |
| 16:21.21 | Jayce^ | not yet |
| 16:21.28 | neybar_work | it is very good |
| 16:27.38 | neybar_work | Given SCO's habit of suing its partners, the work of UnitedLinux ends up being a liability for the other two. |
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| 17:30.43 | tensai | hans: I'm sure there is. You may have to write it though :) |
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| 17:35.01 | Hanuman | Good Morning everyone - it's supposed to snow here today :-D |
| 17:35.23 | Jayce^ | lucky |
| 17:35.35 | Jayce^ | bright, sunny, clear day here |
| 17:36.07 | Hanuman | that's too bad - I'm sorry |
| 17:40.09 | neybar_work | hans: you could always use knoppix |
| 17:42.28 | hans | neybar_work: yes, but then I'd have to reboot. I don't know if they monitor stuff like that (library computer lab) |
| 17:42.33 | neybar_work | is there a way in postgres to find out who/what is locking a table? |
| 17:42.52 | neybar_work | does the OO install depend on registry entries? |
| 17:43.23 | neybar_work | if it doesn't it seems like you could install the program, then burn the installed dir to cd. |
| 17:44.15 | hans | I think I may try that eventually. What I'd like is a CD with openoffice, mozilla, and ideally cygwin, that doesn't depend on the registry and can just be stuck in any ol' windows computer. |
| 17:44.30 | neybar_work | you could also use a registry state monitor and take a snapshot before and after the install, and use the diff to make temp changes to the computer you are using |
| 17:44.57 | hans | except some of the computers on campus lock down registry hacking |
| 17:45.07 | neybar_work | yeah, that would be a problem |
| 17:46.29 | Jayce^ | wow, that's the highest paying job offer we've seen listed on plug in a while... |
| 17:46.36 | Jayce^ | too bad it's j2ee :) |
| 17:47.51 | neybar_work | heh, you said a bad word though... j2ee |
| 17:49.02 | tensai | neybar_work: yes, there's a way. gimme just a minute... |
| 17:49.14 | neybar_work | tensai: thanks |
| 17:54.23 | tensai | the table you want is pg_locks |
| 17:54.29 | tensai | select d.datname, c.relname, l.pid, l.mode, l.granted from pg_database d, pg_class c, pg_locks l where c.oid = l.relation and d.oid = l.database; |
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| 18:07.15 | jayce_ | so what does : ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ |
| 18:07.15 | jayce_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ |
| 18:07.19 | jayce_ | mean is syslog :) |
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| 18:12.24 | Hanuman | hans: modify the source if it *does* write to the registry so that it writes somewhere else or stores the information in memory - then publish it so others can use it |
| 18:13.25 | Hanuman | Jayce^: no, ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ does not mean "syslog" |
| 18:15.41 | Jayce^ | heh.. IN syslog |
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| 18:20.07 | sjansen | It warms the heart to see job offers coming across the lists again. |
| 18:23.55 | Hanuman | mine too |
| 18:36.53 | Hanuman | Anyone know how the M$ licensing works w/ upgrades? I mean if I have multiple upgrade licenses, do I need an original for each upgrade, or can I have one original license for all the upgrades? |
| 18:41.18 | hans | ~lart IE |
| 18:41.48 | byron | Hanuman: I believe you have to have an original license for all the upgrades |
| 18:43.52 | Hanuman | okay - that's what I thought |
| 18:44.11 | Hanuman | I'm inventorying all of our software and wanted to make sure we are legal with the upgrades we have |
| 18:44.26 | Hanuman | Can someone else be using the originals if an upgrade is being used? |
| 18:52.54 | bytheway | no |
| 18:55.10 | Hanuman | okay - that's also what I thought |
| 18:55.27 | Hanuman | This will give me nice ammo to push OSS towards our President |
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| 19:08.54 | emcnabb | hey jd0ug |
| 19:09.19 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap jd0ug |
| 19:09.22 | | ACTION slaps jd0ug upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:09.31 | emcnabb | ~lart jd0ug |
| 19:09.45 | emcnabb | ~lart jd0ug |
| 19:10.01 | synic | so... what servers are we gonna be playin on tonight? |
| 19:10.15 | synic | I can't be there, but I'll certainly kick all your butts from home :) |
| 19:10.16 | emcnabb | we'll announce it later on tonight |
| 19:10.22 | emcnabb | the server is |
| 19:10.23 | emcnabb | uug.byu.edu |
| 19:10.31 | emcnabb | we'll announce ports later on |
| 19:10.36 | synic | ok |
| 19:12.25 | emcnabb | ~lart byron |
| 19:13.21 | emcnabb | ibot, seen byron |
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| 19:56.32 | Jayce^ | I've love learning cool little things on the lists every day |
| 20:02.32 | neybar_work | have you played gnocatan yet Jayce^ |
| 20:04.17 | Jayce^ | no, just opened it.. but been busy |
| 20:05.27 | neybar_work | oh yeah... I've been busy too... |
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| 20:31.46 | brailsmt | how do I get mplayer to play a dvd? |
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| 20:41.08 | bytheway | do you have libdvdcss? |
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| 20:42.00 | bytheway | what distro are you running? |
| 20:42.40 | brailsmt | gentoo |
| 20:42.53 | bytheway | aah, then its easy |
| 20:43.08 | bytheway | USE="+dvd" emerge mplayer |
| 20:43.47 | brailsmt | done... |
| 20:44.17 | brailsmt | what is the ide-scsi kernel param i need to pass to the kernel at boot? is it just 'ide-scsi' or is there something else to it? |
| 20:44.52 | bytheway | that shouldn't be necessary |
| 20:45.14 | brailsmt | well, it has to if i want to use the dvd drive... i have a combo drive |
| 20:45.54 | bytheway | like a dvd/cdrw drive |
| 20:45.57 | bytheway | ? |
| 20:46.07 | brailsmt | it just sees the drive a cdrom drive if i don't give it that kernel param, and I haven't tried to play dvds in such a long time that I forgot |
| 20:46.07 | brailsmt | bytheway: yes |
| 20:46.29 | emcnabb | I always use ogle |
| 20:46.34 | emcnabb | I've had much better luck |
| 20:46.38 | bytheway | I have one as well, and didn't need the ide-scsi |
| 20:46.41 | bytheway | I used xine |
| 20:46.41 | brailsmt | ogle? |
| 20:46.44 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:46.51 | brailsmt | for dvd playback? |
| 20:46.52 | emcnabb | it's made just for dvd viewing |
| 20:47.03 | brailsmt | the last time I played a dvd i use xine... |
| 20:47.22 | emcnabb | I never really have gotten it working right in mplayer and xine |
| 20:47.54 | bytheway | I emerged the latest xine just 2 days ago, and it worked great for me. |
| 20:48.01 | brailsmt | i had issues getting it working right with xine, it required certain voodoo rituals and ceremonial dances to work... |
| 20:48.23 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:48.31 | emcnabb | I'm trying to hook up to a switch using a usb->serial adapter right now; I'm having so many problems with minicom right now |
| 20:48.55 | brailsmt | oh well, i hope ide-scsi is the right kernel param... |
| 20:48.56 | brailsmt | brb |
| 20:49.14 | emcnabb | Welcome to the Alcatel OmniStack! Version 4.1.2 GA |
| 20:49.14 | emcnabb | login : |
| 20:49.19 | emcnabb | it's getting there! |
| 20:53.11 | Hanuman | anyone know where the listings come from on IE when the site you can't get to isn't available? |
| 20:53.25 | Hanuman | I know it's MSN, but where do they get their listings from? |
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| 21:11.25 | sjansen | Did anyone else just get spam from educatorater? |
| 21:12.14 | synic | not i |
| 21:13.26 | sjansen | The guys a BYU student. I'm really wondering what the proper course of action. There's no doubt he harvested the addresses from BYU. I've been in classes with him before and he made no attempt to hide his email. |
| 21:14.00 | sjansen | Thing is, BYU has no policy against harvesting as far as I'm aware. |
| 21:14.06 | Jayce^ | but since he's blatant.. how about a .30-06 |
| 21:14.40 | sjansen | They really should. |
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| 21:18.25 | Hanuman | what about DOS'ing a harvester? |
| 21:18.57 | neybar_work | speaking of harvesting, my company has harvested BYU for email addresses. They never ended up using that list, but it is amazingly easy |
| 21:19.15 | neybar_work | s/for/from/ |
| 21:19.39 | neybar_work | never mind that regex |
| 21:19.49 | sjansen | How'd they do it? |
| 21:20.16 | neybar_work | not sure |
| 21:20.28 | neybar_work | they person who did it has since left |
| 21:20.37 | Hanuman | OGF used to harvest myfamily.com and rootsweb.com for e-mail addresses - I imagine had they thought of it they would have done BYU as well |
| 21:21.27 | Hanuman | sjansen: you could try to get an article posted on /. and /. him |
| 21:21.50 | sjansen | Nah. Probably a first time offense. Better to just scare the heck out of him. |
| 21:22.08 | Hanuman | Want me to send him a nasty e-mail? |
| 21:22.32 | Hanuman | I could pretend to by your lawyer |
| 21:22.37 | Hanuman | s/by/be/ |
| 21:22.48 | neybar_work | heh |
| 21:22.50 | sjansen | Nah, just go for State Attorney general. ;-) |
| 21:23.01 | Hanuman | even better... |
| 21:23.13 | sjansen | webmaster@educatorater.com |
| 21:23.40 | Hanuman | anyone got a good trojan? ;-) |
| 21:24.09 | Hanuman | I wonder how prone he is to opening attachments... |
| 21:27.18 | Bradipo | emcnabb: Are you working on a Xylan? |
| 21:28.09 | Bradipo | Hanuman: You don't want to be a script-kiddi. |
| 21:28.22 | Bradipo | You want to be the one writing the scripts that the script-kiddies use. :-) |
| 21:28.58 | Hanuman | Bradipo: I know - but it's fun pretending |
| 21:31.35 | Hanuman | Of course you wouldn't know if I was the one writing the scripts because I would be pretending to dream about being a script kiddie... ;-) |
| 21:33.55 | sjansen | Argh. Looks like he gets by on a loop-hole, the site has no commercial content. But I don't like being spammed by a charity either. |
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| 21:35.17 | Bradipo | sjansen: I have thousands of viruses at my disposal. :-) |
| 21:35.26 | Bradipo | From or virus scanner. |
| 21:36.51 | Hanuman | I get spammed by BYU several times a year, but I guess that's somewhat legal spam since my wife and I both went there (me for a time at least) |
| 21:39.35 | Hanuman | And then there's the spam that always goes to my wife for some other lady that must have a similar e-mail address or something |
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| 21:43.27 | synic | stupid other synic |
| 21:46.34 | synic_ | stupid other synic |
| 21:47.55 | tensai | neybar_work: did that SQL query help with your locks? |
| 21:48.22 | synic | :P |
| 21:48.25 | synic_ | :P |
| 21:49.14 | synic | hey, aren't you away or something ;-) |
| 21:49.30 | synic | [14:50:09] --- [Hanuman] is away (i think i forgot something!) |
| 21:51.17 | Hanuman | I don't know why it isn't showing myself that I'm away |
| 21:51.19 | Hanuman | weird |
| 21:51.41 | Hanuman | It keeps doing that for some reason |
| 21:51.47 | synic | xchat? |
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| 21:53.35 | Hanuman | irssi |
| 21:54.19 | neybar_work | tensai: I got sidetracked onto another project |
| 21:54.23 | neybar_work | I forgot about i |
| 21:54.24 | neybar_work | t |
| 22:07.07 | Hanuman | spree ya guys later - now I'm really away |
| 22:10.25 | brailsmt | spree ya later... |
| 22:10.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:17.02 | brailsmt | using genkernel takes a lot longer to compile that manually doing your own kernel... |
| 22:18.54 | brailsmt | because i tend to only comile the modules I need when i do it manually... genkernel compiles most of the modules... |
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| 22:43.46 | neybar_work | do you guys know of a public dns server? who ever is maintaining ours is a bonehead |
| 22:53.50 | sjansen | So I've got a friend that just did a fresh install of Fedora. His terminal programming is maxing CPU. Any ideas? |
| 23:10.20 | brailsmt | sjansen: he has a 486 :) |
| 23:14.16 | sjansen | Turns out it was a transparent background with black. |
| 23:31.20 | sjansen | hmmm, egg nog |
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| 23:33.51 | levi | Mmm, egg nog. |
| 23:33.56 | levi | I'm going to have to go buy more. |
| 23:36.19 | spr5 | egg nog flavored frozen custard is good... |
| 23:42.43 | levi | Sounds yummy. |
| 23:50.19 | spr5 | Haven't had any for two years though. I wonder if the new place in orem carries it |
| 23:50.23 | brailsmt | coneys? |
| 23:50.23 | spr5 | yeah. I haven't been there yet, you? |
| 23:50.52 | levi | You could probably find a recipe and make some. |
| 23:51.34 | spr5 | hmmm... ways to distract myself from my CS lab... |
| 23:52.18 | levi | Cooking can be a great stress reliever. ;) |
| 23:52.59 | tensai | so true. I've started baking bread |
| 23:53.21 | levi | Mmm, dough kneading. |
| 23:53.29 | spr5 | bread making is fun. |
| 23:53.48 | levi | Beating it down after it rises is fun, too. |
| 23:53.59 | levi | Haven't made bread in a while. |
| 23:54.02 | tensai | kneading is difficult because of my wrists though |
| 23:54.19 | levi | CTS? |
| 23:54.43 | tensai | CTS? |
| 23:55.16 | tensai | ah. carpal tunnel. gotcha |
| 23:55.43 | tensai | yes. curse this Geeks Disease. |
| 23:56.12 | spr5 | unless you use vim apparently |
| 23:56.12 | hans | tensai: get a good 'dough hook' (mixer) |
| 23:57.04 | hans | tensai: do you like sourdough? I can help you get started making _real_ bread if you do :) |
| 23:57.42 | spr5 | mmm.. sourdough |
| 23:59.21 | tensai | I use a bread machine for the mixing. I do a final knead before putting it into a stoneware pan. |
| 23:59.52 | tensai | I'm up for some sourdough |