| 00:00.11 | Tenebram | that means "Made by wizards" |
| 00:01.16 | art | gstreamer is gnome's new application framework for media |
| 00:01.23 | art | it's gonna be nice. |
| 00:01.57 | tensai | is it easy to configure? |
| 00:02.11 | art | gstreamer? |
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| 00:02.19 | art | you shouldn't have to configure it. |
| 00:02.35 | art | it's a library. |
| 00:02.46 | tensai | sweet. even better |
| 00:02.50 | Tenebram | It runs off of wizards. It's configurationless. |
| 00:02.51 | art | just install rhythmbox nd you should be set. |
| 00:03.13 | art | well if you install it via apt |
| 00:03.48 | Tenebram | or via portage... |
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| 00:06.00 | art | yeah you oughta hide. |
| 00:06.38 | Tenebram | that's whi I AM hiding. |
| 00:06.45 | Tenebram | s/hi/hy |
| 00:07.05 | Tenebram | You debian users are SCARY. |
| 00:07.18 | art | we will take over the world. |
| 00:07.49 | Tenebram | and make it scary! |
| 00:07.52 | Tenebram | And filled with fear! |
| 00:07.57 | Tenebram | And super cow powers! |
| 00:08.21 | tensai | it installed but now it's thrashing my disk. I only have 120 mp3s. |
| 00:09.12 | Jayce^ | wuss :) |
| 00:10.16 | tensai | if I was had a wimpy stay at home job maybe I could focus on my mp3 collection |
| 00:10.54 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 00:11.07 | Jayce^ | staying at home actually makes it harder.. |
| 00:11.21 | Jayce^ | you can't use work bandwith, or use your home bandwith while at work |
| 00:12.01 | art | here's a question. |
| 00:12.21 | Tenebram | And here is a pair of pants. |
| 00:12.35 | tensai | now it's working. looks pretty cool. we'll see |
| 00:12.37 | art | how many servers could a linux admin manage? we're talking simple stuff here, Samba, Apache, Email? |
| 00:12.54 | Tenebram | a whole bunch. |
| 00:13.10 | Jayce^ | depends on their skill, what they are doing, differing hardware, differing tasks.. etc.. |
| 00:13.28 | tensai | I have 2 production and 2 semi-production. I spend more time on my one Windows box. |
| 00:13.29 | Tenebram | Three units worth, where a unit is defined as one third of the number of servers that particular admin can manage. |
| 00:13.47 | art | all servers are the same hardware, they all work off of a similiar server image. |
| 00:33.50 | jakea | EEEEKKK |
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| 00:34.10 | jakea | okay, there's an possible infinate loop in MUG |
| 00:34.17 | jakea | -n |
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| 00:39.06 | Tenebram | Trout, that's a feature, not a bug. |
| 00:39.12 | Tenebram | Ack, I did it again. |
| 00:43.20 | hans | emcnabb: any luck on catan? |
| 00:59.59 | Bradipo | By the way, if you don't want to buy a board game, there is always gnocatan :-) |
| 01:00.08 | Bradipo | For *nix |
| 01:05.40 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, didn't know about that one.. link? |
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| 01:34.32 | LrnChndlr | alright, looking for a JavaScript guru this time ;) |
| 01:34.58 | Tenebram | Ooh! Ooh! That's not me! |
| 01:35.42 | LrnChndlr | darnit |
| 01:36.04 | Tenebram | Wait... wait... hold on... |
| 01:36.10 | Tenebram | Nope, still not me. |
| 01:36.11 | LrnChndlr | i would like to know how to always force an image to load with each page load (not cache) |
| 01:38.33 | Tenebram | I can't help you, but my advice would be to look for a page that does what you want, and look at the page source. |
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| 04:11.41 | brailsmt | i just got wireless working again :)))) |
| 04:13.01 | brailsmt | i am no longer tethered to a stupid catv cable... |
| 04:13.01 | brailsmt | now if they could only figure out wireless power... |
| 04:14.42 | Tenebram | what I REALLY want is wireless pants. |
| 04:15.21 | jakea | now that would be interesting |
| 04:15.36 | brailsmt | ~slashdot |
| 04:15.49 | brailsmt | groklaw has some SCO news, and its bad for SCO |
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| 14:24.00 | bonez39 | hi synic |
| 14:37.14 | Hanuman | good morning everyone |
| 14:45.46 | Hanuman | My client wanted a "Microsoft CRM" look-and-feel to his software I'm setting up for him, so I used the gnome icons to do it - we'll see if he can tell the difference |
| 14:55.32 | hans | CRM? |
| 14:57.50 | Hanuman | Customer Relationship Management - it's Microsoft's Sales tool |
| 14:59.12 | Hanuman | hans: How does the Visor cable work for you |
| 14:59.14 | Hanuman | ? |
| 14:59.19 | hans | working great |
| 14:59.21 | hans | get the check? |
| 15:00.08 | Hanuman | yeah - thanks |
| 15:02.00 | bonez39 | hi all |
| 15:03.08 | Hanuman | hi bonez39 |
| 15:04.01 | hans | so the movie is done and has been screened. |
| 15:04.40 | Hanuman | what movie? |
| 15:10.35 | hans | *the* movie |
| 15:12.49 | Hanuman | ah - *that* movie |
| 15:13.14 | Hanuman | any official reviews out yet? |
| 15:16.23 | bonez39 | do I have to sign an NDA if I stay here? I dont' want to be listening on privileged communication..;) |
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| 15:32.10 | sjansen | Gooooooood morning #utah! |
| 15:34.50 | neybar_work | lol |
| 15:36.03 | neybar_work | does MS call their CRM by that name? |
| 15:36.31 | Hanuman | neybar_work: yeah |
| 15:36.47 | Hanuman | MSCRM |
| 15:36.54 | Hanuman | just like MSSQL |
| 15:36.54 | neybar_work | it really bugs me how MS hijacks industry standard names and uses it for it's own products |
| 15:37.06 | Hanuman | yeah - I agree |
| 15:37.42 | neybar_work | what bugs me even more then that is when lay people then refer to the product as SQL, or CRM, leaving out the MS part |
| 15:38.32 | neybar_work | as if ms some how created SQL in general |
| 15:38.40 | Hanuman | yeah - what is "SQL Server" supposed to mean? |
| 15:39.58 | Hanuman | I wish I could find a good Linux client for MSSQL server that worked |
| 15:40.09 | neybar_work | can't you do ODBC to it? |
| 15:40.12 | Hanuman | I found one, but I haven't been able to get it to compile or install correctly |
| 15:40.16 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 15:40.49 | neybar_work | are you looking for a cli interface, or a programic one? |
| 15:40.50 | Hanuman | If I had that, I could do all of my development in Linux |
| 15:41.04 | Hanuman | cli interface that I can create and arrange tables with |
| 15:41.08 | neybar_work | ah |
| 15:41.13 | Hanuman | I can't stand doing all that w/ a gui |
| 15:41.18 | Hanuman | especially remotely |
| 15:41.19 | bonez39 | neybar_work: that's exactly why they do that...so that end users unwittingly coopt and make MS products a household name...edging out the real original authors.. |
| 15:42.04 | Hanuman | brb - gotta reboot (don't know why - it's just an install, but M$ nonetheless) |
| 15:42.42 | neybar_work | bonez39: I know, and it drives me crazy. I have a few friends who are MS guys, and when ever they refer to MSSQL as SQL I try to correct them. They usually just shrug it off as some sort of Linux fanaticism |
| 15:43.41 | Hanuman | back |
| 15:43.53 | bonez39 | do any of you run gnucash? |
| 15:44.26 | Hanuman | neybar_work: I completely hear you on that one |
| 15:44.36 | neybar_work | ask the list, I can't remember his name, but someone on the list gave a presentation on it a while back and is pretty good with it. |
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| 15:44.53 | sjansen | bonez39: I did for awhile. Still trying to create the habit. |
| 15:44.58 | Hanuman | The funny thing is anyone who really seriously studies open-source is really impressed with the concept |
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| 16:11.08 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Did you find gnocatan? |
| 16:11.33 | Jayce^ | yeah... good ol google |
| 16:11.45 | Bradipo | gnocatan.sf.net |
| 16:11.48 | Bradipo | Up for a game? |
| 16:11.56 | Bradipo | :-) |
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| 16:14.51 | hans | Bradipo: you tempt me. :) |
| 16:16.11 | Bradipo | lol |
| 16:16.15 | Bradipo | Maybe later today... |
| 16:17.04 | levi | Mmmm, gnocatan. |
| 16:22.14 | Hanuman | 24 gave me a good idea for a gui yesterday |
| 16:22.21 | Hanuman | anyone watch it yesterday? |
| 16:25.21 | levi | Is this '24' thing something I'd have to watch TV to know about? ;) |
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| 16:26.03 | sjansen | levi: Yep. I'm planning on renting the first season of 24 and watching it marathon soon. Fast paced and fun. |
| 16:26.27 | sjansen | Hanuman: Nope. What was it like? |
| 16:26.31 | hans | I'm lost. never heard of it |
| 16:28.06 | sjansen | The idea is each hour long episode is an actual hour. The season catalogs a 24 hour day. |
| 16:28.34 | neybar_work | a very full day |
| 16:28.34 | sjansen | Kinda reminds me of Tom Clancy meets West Wing. |
| 16:28.48 | sjansen | There's no time for sleep when you're saving the world. |
| 16:28.59 | neybar_work | or bathroom breaks? |
| 16:29.13 | neybar_work | :-) |
| 16:29.19 | Hanuman | yeah - that too |
| 16:29.33 | art | my favorite is conan obrian's 60, where he shows 1 sec of a whole minute each day. It's pretty funny. |
| 16:29.45 | Hanuman | sjansen: all the gui had was a little round circle in the center of the bottom of the screen |
| 16:30.01 | Hanuman | when things minimized they went into the round circle |
| 16:30.45 | Hanuman | I was thinking of taking the Mac dock idea, and have when you mouse around the outside of the circle, icons enlarge and go all around the circle to choose what program you want to maximize and/or run |
| 16:31.44 | Hanuman | You could make every desktop function run off of that round circle idea |
| 16:32.03 | Hanuman | click on the middle of the circle, a list of programs pop up to start |
| 16:32.29 | Hanuman | but with everything minimized, all you see is that round circle and the desktop background |
| 16:32.44 | Hanuman | very clean, efficient, and easy to use - not much to remember |
| 16:33.05 | Hanuman | and it's a change from the whole "Windows" or taskbar look-and-feel |
| 16:33.43 | Hanuman | Maybe when I actually have some time I'll write it for Linux |
| 16:36.55 | emcnabb | is xbindkeys not in apt (for RH)? |
| 16:40.08 | sjansen | I assume that was on purpose? |
| 16:40.34 | hans | not exactly. but it wasn't a big surprise. just as I was getting ready to go out the door I remembered I forgot to eat breakfast |
| 16:40.44 | hans | didn't eat fast enough, and the bus came a minute and a half early. |
| 16:40.50 | sjansen | emcnabb: Looks like it's not. |
| 16:41.02 | Hanuman | emcnabb: I don't think it is. At least I couldn't find it - let me know if you find a repository that has it, though |
| 16:41.25 | Hanuman | I think there's an rpm for it, though |
| 16:42.11 | emcnabb | Hanuman, sjansen, I've found an rpm on the xbinkeys website, I'll try that one out |
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| 16:45.08 | Hanuman | if that doesn't work, let me know - I got one from somewhere and it worked on RH 9.0 |
| 16:48.19 | sjansen | Vitamin corn dog: a less than nutrious part of an unbalanced breakfast. |
| 16:52.45 | hans | let's see if I can catch this one... |
| 16:55.01 | bonez39 | go HANS....;) |
| 17:06.22 | sjansen | Anyone here tried streaming DVD across 100Mb ethernet? |
| 17:07.03 | sjansen | I've only got one machine with enough juice to play DVDs, but the monitor isn't very good. I've also got a really old iMac with a nice monitor. Crazy? |
| 17:07.39 | art | I do this sometimes with tv. |
| 17:08.02 | art | I encode the stream to an avi, and then watch the avi in another room. |
| 17:08.37 | art | Although when doing this with DVD's, I found that it takes more time to encode than to watch. |
| 17:08.45 | hans | sjansen: check out vl[sc] |
| 17:08.50 | art | the encoding doesn't keep up. |
| 17:09.00 | art | yeah I bet vlc would work. |
| 17:09.35 | sjansen | I looked at the web page and I'll probably give it a try. Any other possiblities? |
| 17:09.44 | hans | a long video cable? :) |
| 17:09.57 | art | encode it to DVD prior. |
| 17:10.06 | art | and then watch in in Divx format. |
| 17:10.57 | tensai | there's a network block device, kinda like port forwarding for block devices |
| 17:11.37 | sjansen | hans: I know you're joking, but that won't work w/o hacking the iMac. |
| 17:12.29 | sjansen | Another question, anyone here using dyndns? What client do you recommend? |
| 17:20.13 | art | I've used ddclient with good success. |
| 17:20.48 | art | apt-get install ddclient on debian. |
| 17:21.00 | art | it sets it all up for you. |
| 17:32.43 | sjansen | hmmmmm, I wonder how BYU's network will handle this |
| 17:33.12 | art | do you have a public ip? |
| 17:33.29 | sjansen | rumor has it, but checkip.dyndns.org reports my 10. |
| 17:33.38 | art | suck. |
| 17:34.39 | sjansen | Hah! Skip the proxy and things work better. |
| 17:36.55 | hans | sjansen: I used ddclient and got fed up with it. it would do wacky updates with IP #s I couldn't duplicate |
| 17:37.10 | hans | so I wrote my own in ruby |
| 17:37.25 | sjansen | Fedora actually includes ez-ipupdate, so I'm goint to try that. |
| 17:37.43 | hans | checkip.dyndns.org:8245 |
| 17:38.06 | hans | 34 lines of ruby, if you want it. |
| 17:39.34 | Hanuman | takes just a wget to update the IP |
| 17:40.13 | hans | Hanuman: dyndns is also just a get request |
| 17:40.26 | Hanuman | cool - didn't know that |
| 17:40.26 | hans | get = "https://#{username}:#{password}@members.dyndns.org/nic/update?hostname=#{hostname}&myip=#{new_ip}" |
| 17:40.34 | hans | response = `wget -q -O - #{get}` |
| 17:40.34 | sjansen | hans: How do you get your ip? |
| 17:40.46 | hans | checkip = `wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org:8245/` |
| 17:40.47 | hans | checkip =~ /Current IP Address: ([^<]*)/m |
| 17:40.47 | hans | new_ip = $1 |
| 17:40.51 | sjansen | I can't connect to the one checkip.dyndns.org reports |
| 17:41.02 | Hanuman | I like dyndns because my router will do the updating for me, but I don't like it because you have to pay to have your own domain through them |
| 17:41.02 | hans | sjansen: you can't from on-campus |
| 17:41.18 | hans | byu's routers don't route it correctly |
| 17:41.24 | sjansen | Well that kills most of the utility. |
| 17:41.25 | hans | (not going through the nat) |
| 17:41.50 | sjansen | I've got a box with a real 128 address that can't connect. |
| 17:41.55 | hans | if you can set up a cname somewhere else you can use a feature of bind9 to report the 10.whatever address to byu IPs |
| 17:42.54 | sjansen | Come again? |
| 17:44.49 | hans | ed says this can be done. haven't done it yet, but here's how it should work: |
| 17:45.00 | hans | falcon.fugal.net is a CNAME to fugalh.dyndns.org |
| 17:45.42 | hans | but with bind9 you can apparently set it up to report differently depending on who's asking. so people with 128 addresses would get a 10.7.96.35 address instead of the CNAME |
| 17:45.56 | hans | s/128/128.187.x.x/ |
| 17:46.39 | hans | since my dns server is off-campus it will work nicely. you could do the same thing on-campus I suppose, and give the 10 address if they're 128.187.xx or 10.xxx ... |
| 17:57.13 | levi | Not having roommates is expensive. |
| 17:57.38 | Hanuman | levi: depends on whom those roommates are |
| 17:58.00 | Hanuman | my wife and kids are more expensive than not having rommates |
| 18:00.17 | levi | Hanuman: Well, yeah. But that situation is not in the immediate context. |
| 18:03.54 | hans | http://falcon.fugal.net/doc/bind9-doc/arm/Bv9ARM.ch04.html#AEN727 |
| 18:05.17 | hans | sjansen: another thing you can do is use dyndns to show your 10 address, and pointing byu hosts to that name instead of the public one. |
| 18:21.59 | sjansen | Gentoo users: Does gentoo have mono packages yet? |
| 18:23.57 | levi | It appears to have some packages from www.go-mono.com |
| 18:26.41 | emcnabb | sjansen, yes |
| 18:26.48 | emcnabb | it's had them for a while |
| 18:30.30 | brailsmt | you gentoo users checked out the new packages.gentoo.org? |
| 18:31.23 | sjansen | brailsmt: Can't get to it right now. |
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| 18:31.44 | sjansen | That's why I asked instead of just checking it. |
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| 18:35.59 | Hanuman | ~lart gentoo users |
| 18:36.21 | sjansen | Man, that's gotta be one long build. |
| 18:37.06 | Hanuman | lol |
| 18:38.27 | Hanuman | I have no clue why this application was written in Access - it makes no sense! |
| 18:38.38 | Hanuman | I could shoot the programmer who designed it |
| 18:39.16 | Hanuman | it should be a web-app |
| 18:46.10 | sjansen | That's okay. If you haven't noticed, I also enjoy broadcasting my thoughts for all to see. |
| 18:46.23 | sjansen | Especially complaining, it's no fun to grumble just to yourself. |
| 18:46.29 | sjansen | ~lart Java |
| 18:46.34 | sjansen | ~lart J2EE |
| 18:46.41 | sjansen | ~lart JBoss |
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| 18:49.55 | emcnabb | rsync.gentoo.org rotation server compromised |
| 18:50.40 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 18:50.47 | Jayce^ | same hack as debian? |
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| 19:08.03 | emcnabb | Jayce^, not sure |
| 19:09.08 | Hanuman | it's a conspiracy by some RedHat user somewhere... |
| 19:09.22 | emcnabb | oh, it was only one of the servers in the chain |
| 19:09.26 | Hanuman | Or maybe SCO is the culprit |
| 19:09.29 | emcnabb | that's not too big of a problem |
| 19:10.33 | hans | emcnabb: I hope you're talking about the server and not my mojo |
| 19:10.48 | emcnabb | haha |
| 19:10.50 | emcnabb | the server |
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| 19:12.15 | sjansen | Is anyone else having problems with their off campus connections cutting in and out? |
| 19:13.47 | hans | nope |
| 19:15.16 | hans | word to the wise: buy teflon bread pans, not glass |
| 19:17.03 | tensai | hans: does that improve network connectivity? |
| 19:17.47 | hans | tensai: it's more related to the sticky bit you find in permissions, and window managers |
| 19:19.58 | sjansen | hans: How does that relate to the evil bit? |
| 19:20.33 | hans | depends on how prone you are to swearing |
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| 19:21.58 | hans | anyone up for gnocatan right now? |
| 19:22.20 | tensai | what are the permissions supposed to be for /tmp |
| 19:22.24 | tensai | in octal |
| 19:22.28 | tensai | ? |
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| 19:26.09 | tensai | nm, it's 1777 |
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| 21:11.00 | neybar_work | I can't get to gnocatan.sf.net :-( |
| 21:12.15 | hans | hmm. I can no prob |
| 21:13.22 | neybar_work | I can get to sf.net/projects/gnocatan, but when I try to download from prdownload.sf.net it fails again... must something wrong with my dns. |
| 21:13.41 | neybar_work | I would do something about it, but the sysadmins are morons and I don't feel like battling with them today |
| 21:16.28 | hans | http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnocatan/gnocatan-0.8.0.0.tar.gz |
| 21:16.42 | hans | ~lart sourceforge's download system |
| 21:19.48 | neybar_work | I got it... I ssh'ed home and got it with lynx |
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| 21:48.42 | hans | garg, cvs went and got rid of the -l option |
| 21:49.49 | Bradipo | What does -l do? |
| 21:58.13 | Hanuman | you know, they really need to require an optional sound file for the verifyable images they put in logins |
| 21:58.21 | Hanuman | for accessibility |
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| 22:09.08 | synic | anyone here using acpi? |
| 22:20.27 | hans | acc. to the man page, -l does 'Do not log the cvs_command in the command history (but execute it anyway) |
| 22:20.30 | hans | ' |
| 22:20.42 | hans | not that that's a major deal, but it made my script stop working. |
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| 22:28.05 | HarleyPig | anyone up for a quick mysql question? I need to copy a table structure to another table in the same database. Is there a quick and easy way to do this? |
| 22:36.57 | *** join/#utah synic (~synic@cpe-66-87-26-31.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 22:44.13 | tomeast | HarleyPig: an ugly (but quick) hack would be to do a dump of the database which will make create scripts for each table and then just modify the create script for the table you want - not the prettiest way though |
| 22:48.07 | HarleyPig | Don't care as long as it's quick and easy. |
| 22:48.23 | HarleyPig | That's what I was thinking, but I was hoping there was something I could do in mysql itself. |
| 22:48.49 | tomeast | probably is - but I don't know what it is |
| 22:49.06 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... what about create table new_table from select * from old_table limit 1; |
| 22:49.11 | HarleyPig | Hmm ... I'll give that a try. |
| 22:49.55 | HarleyPig | crap ... forgot syntax. |
| 22:50.32 | HarleyPig | ah ... no from |
| 22:51.09 | HarleyPig | Cool. That did it, but I have to create my indices manually. |
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| 22:51.11 | HarleyPig | *sigh* |
| 22:51.57 | tomeast | In MySQL 4.1, you can also use LIKE to create a table based on the definition of another table, including any column attributes and indexes the original table has: |
| 22:51.58 | tomeast | CREATE TABLE new_tbl LIKE orig_tbl; |
| 22:52.16 | HarleyPig | :/ Don't have 4.1 |
| 22:52.20 | tomeast | oh well |
| 22:52.34 | HarleyPig | Thanks though :> |
| 22:59.11 | HarleyPig | Ok ... another question. I've got a php form that I'm trying to populate from a database. I have the query ( $result = QueryDB("SELECT..."). I want to access the data from straight html. Something like <input type="text" name="variable" value="<? $variable ?>">. Anyone know how I would do this? |
| 23:04.42 | HarleyPig | It's not $result{'variable'} |
| 23:07.06 | HarleyPig | Oh ... the example I'm looking at is crap. I'll keep looking, but if someone can help me out I'd appreciate it. |
| 23:21.50 | HarleyPig | Ok ... figgered it out. |
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