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| 03:56.25 | brailsmt | sssshhhhhh..... |
| 04:01.03 | jakea | sorry, I'll be quiter |
| 04:03.57 | brailsmt | <booming voice from on high> Thou shalt not IRC on the sabbath day. </booming voice from on high> |
| 04:04.06 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:04.46 | jakea | well, I was a rebal in my youth anyway, still working on this I guess... |
| 04:05.53 | brailsmt | i was just a rabel... i never quite made the rebal rank... |
| 04:05.55 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 04:06.18 | brailsmt | i know very few who acheived full rebel status |
| 04:06.24 | brailsmt | :D |
| 04:07.00 | jakea | I still push the limits at byu by making my sideburns right on the edge of being too long |
| 04:07.22 | brailsmt | wow, you are a rebal... |
| 04:07.26 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:07.35 | brailsmt | i shave as lttle as possible... |
| 04:07.39 | jakea | ya, and I bring coke on campus |
| 04:07.52 | brailsmt | if i shaved everyday, my face would be one big razor burn... |
| 04:08.01 | brailsmt | :| |
| 04:08.52 | jakea | and the biggest thing I do is not stop walking during the national anthem cause I'm not particularly proud of my country at the moment |
| 04:09.26 | jakea | and I don't vote strait ticket republican, so I may bet a call from the honor code office seen |
| 04:09.27 | jakea | soon |
| 04:09.36 | jakea | -b +g |
| 04:10.22 | jakea | my heck I can't spell tonight |
| 04:10.30 | brailsmt | well, not voting straight ticket anything is good IMO |
| 04:10.50 | brailsmt | any mindless idiot can vote straight ticket |
| 04:11.03 | brailsmt | which is exactly why it is there... |
| 04:11.13 | jakea | heh, ya |
| 04:12.02 | brailsmt | you know the goal is to get as many voters to the polls as possible... the goal *should* getting the most informed voters to the poll and bar the gates for anyone not informed... ;) |
| 04:12.38 | brailsmt | that will happen at the precise time heck freezes over... |
| 04:12.44 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:12.50 | jakea | ya, very true |
| 04:13.34 | brailsmt | and people should be forced to write their *own* tax checks and mail them in... that will produce *real* tax reform... this automatic deduction stuff is too easy... |
| 04:14.18 | brailsmt | how many ppl have a hard time paying tithing at only 10%... lemme see the gov't just try to keep taxes at 30%... |
| 04:14.48 | jakea | I'm going to send in an idea to Hatch that goes along the lines of his latest ideas of not punishing those that are breaking laws |
| 04:14.53 | brailsmt | no one would pay, and the IRS would get so bogged down, they couldn't audit anyone... |
| 04:15.10 | jakea | my idea: Since the new 20's are already getting faked, lets just make fake bills legal |
| 04:15.43 | brailsmt | no, they will just switch to embedded rfid credit cards... |
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| 04:21.14 | brailsmt | re: not stopping during the anthem... your choice, but I was always taught that we stop during the anthem out of respect for those that have died for he country... |
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| 04:27.38 | brailsmt | is it possible to get a cpu/mobo combo and ram upgrade for ~$100? |
| 04:36.00 | brailsmt | apparently you can get amd 2000+ with 5pci 1 4xAGP for $74 from pricewatch... |
| 04:36.17 | Tenebram_ | Ooh, nice. |
| 04:36.55 | brailsmt | and 256 MB of pc3200 ddr ram for $30 |
| 04:37.10 | brailsmt | pc2400 for $25 |
| 04:37.45 | brailsmt | i have $100 for xmas... and this computer over here is in major need of an upgrade... |
| 04:37.59 | brailsmt | ie, it is a pentium celeron 300MHz... |
| 04:38.10 | brailsmt | with 192MB ram |
| 04:38.14 | Tenebram_ | That's not... too bad... |
| 04:38.23 | Tenebram_ | what I need is a new video card. |
| 04:39.33 | brailsmt | i have 50GB of hdd space, so i am fine on that front for now, sbawe64 is a little old, but one piece at a time... |
| 04:43.41 | brailsmt | anyone have issues running windows cli programs with wine? |
| 04:43.45 | brailsmt | i do... |
| 04:44.27 | Tenebram_ | I haven't tried. |
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| 05:45.29 | brailsmt | yummy... |
| 05:45.42 | brailsmt | mmmmmm..... |
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| 15:39.15 | Hanuman | Good Morning and welcome back everyone! |
| 15:45.50 | sjansen | We got a bot here the can convert 93 to hex? |
| 15:46.15 | neybar_work | 5D |
| 15:47.57 | sjansen | thanks |
| 15:48.07 | ibot1 | burp |
| 15:54.39 | Hanuman | "require" was probably the worst thing that could have ever been added to perl |
| 15:55.12 | ibot1 | why do you say that? ( I partially agree ) |
| 15:55.17 | Hanuman | I feel like I am entering the matrix when I read this guy's code - he has endless requires with variables that just appear out of nowhere |
| 15:55.37 | Hanuman | then I have to read the nested requires to finally figure out where that variable was created |
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| 15:55.56 | Hanuman | if he would just use objects it would be much easier to tell where variables originate |
| 15:56.03 | Hanuman | not to mention if he would use strict |
| 15:56.08 | ibot1 | yeah!, I hate global variables in required packages... drives me nuts |
| 15:56.39 | Hanuman | Not to mention he stores all his default values for the website in the database, rather than the code |
| 15:56.55 | Hanuman | so I have to now re-enter it all into the database just to get the code to work out of the box |
| 15:57.43 | Hanuman | I'm re-setting up old code from a partner-splitup. the former partner wrote the code and it is the result of him learning perl by himself in one year |
| 15:57.52 | Hanuman | and they were building a business off of this |
| 15:58.27 | Hanuman | his former-partner was telling their clients it was "object-oriented" because they could create "objects" in the database |
| 15:58.49 | Hanuman | there isn't a single "use" anywhere in the code except for calls to DBI and a couple other CPAN modules |
| 15:59.10 | Hanuman | oh well - more work for me |
| 15:59.13 | neybar_work | heh |
| 15:59.23 | Hanuman | but stupid me allowed the contract to have a time-limit |
| 15:59.31 | neybar_work | d'oh |
| 15:59.45 | Hanuman | I should have said no time limit the minute I saw all the "require"'s |
| 16:01.44 | Hanuman | It's funny - I couldn't get the old partner to get me the html from the old website, but since it was publicly available on their old site, and I had the code to know where it was stored, I just pulled it off myself - their site is very insecure. |
| 16:03.18 | neybar_work | lol |
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| 16:08.01 | sjansen | No, I'm a l33t h4x0r now. I just hexedit a lab for my security class to skip the password check. |
| 16:08.15 | sjansen | s/hexedit/hexeditted/ |
| 16:08.49 | Hanuman | sjansen: do they let you crack machines in that class? |
| 16:09.13 | emcnabb | sjansen, how long did the lab take, I need to start on it |
| 16:09.56 | Hanuman | I think they should |
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| 16:10.14 | emcnabb | Hanuman, they make us sign an agreement at the beginning of the semester not too |
| 16:10.21 | emcnabb | we do a buffer overflow lab |
| 16:10.55 | Hanuman | emcnabb: that's what I thought - I like the thought of learning how to crack machines, though, in order to know the details of what crackers can do to your own machines |
| 16:11.14 | Hanuman | that sounds like a fun class nonetheless |
| 16:11.15 | sjansen | Quite frankly, I learned more about hacking in 345, Software Systems. Learned x86 assembly, harder buffer overflows, and how to use a debugger. |
| 16:11.51 | emcnabb | sjansen, you already knew about hacking |
| 16:11.53 | emcnabb | you hacker |
| 16:11.55 | Hanuman | I think I started taking that class once there... |
| 16:12.07 | sjansen | emcnabb: That's h4x0r to you. |
| 16:12.16 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:12.30 | emcnabb | sjansen, how long did the lab take? |
| 16:12.48 | sjansen | Not done yet. Been working on it about half an hour. |
| 16:12.56 | emcnabb | ok |
| 16:13.38 | sjansen | I'm thinking of modifying the program to loop through the whole file and print everything. |
| 16:14.09 | sjansen | None of this sissy examining memory, I'm going to take control of the whole program! |
| 16:17.40 | emcnabb | sjansen = H4X0R! |
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| 16:18.28 | emcnabb | the IBM LTC was cool |
| 16:18.32 | emcnabb | I want to work there |
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| 16:21.41 | neybar_work | Jayce^: do you know if there is a built in perl command like touch? |
| 16:22.50 | Jayce^ | umm, open a file for writing :) |
| 16:24.37 | Hanuman | `touch filename` - but go w/ Jayce^'s - much more efficient |
| 16:24.50 | Hanuman | well, faster at least |
| 16:27.06 | sjansen | Why do things the hard way? |
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| 16:38.09 | sjansen | Don't suppose anyone wants to tell me what 0x62B - 0x5F1 equals? |
| 16:38.10 | tomeast | has anyone ever had any luck creating redhat cds with roxio "easy" cd creator - i keep getting coasters? |
| 16:38.37 | sjansen | How did you download the ISO? IE has been known to corrupts ISOs. |
| 16:39.25 | tomeast | i used mozilla firebird - i guess that could be the problem - any other way to download it? |
| 16:40.32 | sjansen | Does anyone know of an md5sum for Windows? |
| 16:41.01 | sjansen | You should check the md5sum of the ISO to make sure it's good. No point blaming Roxio if you've got a bad image. |
| 16:41.56 | tomeast | all right, let me check that |
| 16:46.02 | Hanuman | tomeast: also, filezilla is your friend in Windows |
| 16:47.18 | sjansen | If anyone cares, the answer is 58 decimal. emcnabb might like the number decimal number 13506 (don't forget to swap the bytes) |
| 16:47.18 | Hanuman | My cousin is a Math education major and is really having a lot of fun with OpenGL lately |
| 16:47.35 | emcnabb | sjansen, cheater! |
| 16:47.51 | Hanuman | I think I'm going to learn some OpenGL sometime - he did some really cool stuff with it |
| 16:47.59 | sjansen | If you even know what I'm talking about, all I did was save you alot of addition and subtraction. |
| 16:48.30 | sjansen | Total time, a little more than an hour. Most of it spent doing hex math. |
| 16:51.17 | tomeast | ok, my iso mdsum is correct - looks like mozilla got it right |
| 16:51.28 | tomeast | i must be setting something wrong in roxio |
| 16:52.22 | bonez39 | I guess people.debian.org is still down? |
| 16:55.05 | Hanuman | http://www.sendthemback.org/ |
| 16:55.14 | emcnabb | bonez39, I think so; it was on saturday |
| 17:02.08 | sjansen | tomeast: Does Roxio report the problem, or does the CD simply refuse to boot? |
| 17:02.27 | sjansen | If Roxio is reporting the problem, try burning at a slower speed. |
| 17:02.42 | tensai | tomeast: are you using the "write ISO image" command? |
| 17:02.56 | tomeast | roxio doesn't report any problems - when redhat asks for disc 2 it tells me it can't mount the cd |
| 17:03.02 | sjansen | If it refuses to boot, make sure you're burning the ISO, not just making a CD with the ISO as a file on the CD. |
| 17:03.30 | sjansen | So disc 1 is good, but disc 2 isn't? |
| 17:03.44 | sjansen | Did you do a media check, and if so did disc 2 fail? |
| 17:03.58 | tomeast | i actually had a set already but it looks like my disc 2 got damaged so I'm trying to burn another |
| 17:04.24 | tomeast | i don't see a write ISO image command - any idea where that might be? |
| 17:05.11 | sjansen | Nope. sorry |
| 17:05.13 | tensai | sometimes under the File menu. applications all have different ways of doing it. |
| 17:05.36 | sjansen | It might refer to it as a cd image. |
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| 17:05.45 | tomeast | yeah, I figure I'm just not getting a setting right |
| 17:06.00 | sjansen | Have you googled? |
| 17:06.04 | tomeast | the roxio help tells me to burn it as a bootable disc but that doesn't seem to work either |
| 17:06.19 | tomeast | i have - with lots of answers but nothing working yet |
| 17:06.19 | sjansen | Don't burn it as a bootable disc! |
| 17:06.34 | tomeast | anyone want to lend me a rh 2 cd? :) |
| 17:06.34 | sjansen | That'd modify the image, which we don't want. |
| 17:06.42 | sjansen | Where are you? |
| 17:06.44 | tensai | what are your options if you right-click the ISO in Windows explorer? |
| 17:08.15 | tomeast | there is a roxio option when I right click - i think i've tried it this way but I'll do it again |
| 17:08.19 | tomeast | what's another coaster |
| 17:12.12 | Hanuman | tomeast: have you tried Nero? |
| 17:12.39 | tomeast | I think that's what my original set was burned on but I don't have it on this computer |
| 17:12.52 | Hanuman | They used to have a free version, but now it's just a free trial. |
| 17:13.08 | Hanuman | I've never really had problems burning images with Nero |
| 17:13.34 | Hanuman | Burning VCD's is another problem, but we won't go into that one |
| 17:13.56 | tomeast | maybe I'll try that |
| 17:14.42 | Hanuman | sound and picture are always off using Nero |
| 17:23.12 | Hanuman | Lovely - now I'm having Indian telemarketers call me at work |
| 17:23.38 | Hanuman | I politely told them to have an american call me next time if they want my business |
| 17:24.12 | Hanuman | I have nothing against Indians (hence my nick), but I can't stand American businesses that use them for their sales and customer service forces |
| 17:25.10 | Hanuman | Communications is essential in a CS relationship |
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| 17:47.25 | tomeast | my windows box bsod'd so I'm not sure who it was that suggested right clicking the .iso file but that worked (finally) so thanks! |
| 17:47.37 | tomeast | mythtv here i come :) |
| 17:47.55 | bonez39 | Hanuman: companies by the boatload are moving their call centers to India.. |
| 17:48.31 | bonez39 | I have dealt with a few of them myself....always painful..the person is nice enough and they do speak english, but they are culturally miles away....they never really quite understand |
| 17:58.07 | sjansen | The newest trend is returning from India. |
| 17:58.41 | sjansen | Compainies that tried it, and had such a poor experience they decided to move their call center back. |
| 18:12.50 | Hanuman | sjansen: that's what I've seen - that's why I complain now when I talk to people in India |
| 18:12.59 | Hanuman | Dell just moved their Desktop support back to the US |
| 18:13.19 | Hanuman | Ford moved their outsourced engineering back to the US after so many screwups and lawsuits |
| 18:36.45 | neybar_work | what is the redhat tool for changing runlevel init script sequences? |
| 18:37.06 | sjansen | chkconfig |
| 18:39.40 | sjansen | I haven't been paying close attention, that's just what I suspect. |
| 18:40.36 | neybar_work | that sounds painful |
| 18:41.13 | Bradipo | Unfortunately, people are all too willing to pay it. |
| 18:47.27 | sjansen | tensai: Who's Donald Knuth and what could be possible know? |
| 18:48.45 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:58.29 | Hanuman | ~google "Donald Knuth" |
| 18:59.40 | sjansen | Googles primitives bite another person. Integer != int |
| 18:59.51 | sjansen | s/Googles/Java's/ |
| 19:00.51 | sjansen | Auto-boxing is so obvious. Why has it taken so long? |
| 19:01.07 | sjansen | Java is such a poor language. |
| 19:01.35 | Hanuman | Programming Access is like writing an entire website in Javascript |
| 19:01.46 | Hanuman | at least as a client it is |
| 19:18.28 | tensai | that does it. hans has to stop using sentences with "gre p*". I keep seeing grep everywhere. |
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| 19:29.03 | elg | free alternative for winzip on windows? |
| 19:29.20 | elg | (read: I don't have time to install cygwin right now) |
| 19:31.42 | Hanuman | xp has one pre-installed |
| 19:31.52 | Hanuman | arj is another one |
| 19:32.23 | elg | xp isn't Free. :-P |
| 19:32.32 | Hanuman | neither is Windows :-p |
| 19:33.41 | elg | I have w2k. |
| 19:33.53 | elg | not free, but a step above xp |
| 19:34.17 | tensai | elg: filzip |
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| 19:35.53 | tensai | it tries to have you register but you can say no thanks. it's just a vanity thing for the author, not an activation |
| 19:36.17 | elg | ultimatezip looks worthy. not Free, but free |
| 19:36.33 | elg | it's depressing how little software libre there is for windows. :) |
| 19:37.58 | Hanuman | WinZip's evaluation is free, too |
| 19:38.12 | Hanuman | you just have to click "use evaluation version" every time you use it |
| 19:41.07 | tensai | filzip only asks you once |
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| 20:53.13 | Hanuman | Looks like Debian was hacked because of a userland kernel exploit in the Linux kernel - just announced on bugtrak |
| 20:53.51 | Hanuman | It's fixed in kernel version 2.4.23 and 2.6.0-test6 kernel trees |
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| 21:03.12 | Jayce^ | oink |
| 21:03.21 | byron | was that the ptrace bug |
| 21:12.24 | HarleyPig | *snuffle* |
| 21:19.00 | elg | i assume that also means it's fixed in 2.6.0-test11... |
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| 21:25.42 | Hanuman | hans: I guess so |
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| 21:38.20 | tensai | byron: no. it's an integer overflow in the brk system call. it was found last september and fixed in 2.4.23 and 2.6.0-test6 |
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| 22:11.47 | hans | imagine: bzflag meets asteroids |
| 22:15.53 | hans | e.g. capture the flag in 3d space (as in outer space) with asteroids-style maneuvering |
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| 22:27.49 | hans | http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 22:27.53 | hans | ntfs r/w |
| 23:27.01 | bonez39 | greetings |
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