| 00:05.27 | bonez39 | greetings bytheway |
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| 00:19.35 | Hanuman | ahhh...nothing like mounting a windows drive and editing the files in vi through ssh |
| 00:19.43 | Hanuman | I hate using Windows editors |
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| 04:35.05 | bytheway | good evening all |
| 04:47.26 | neybar | hello |
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| 05:22.49 | tensai | hans: how did the rolls turn out? |
| 05:31.57 | emcnabb_ | it's so nice having net access in the hotel |
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| 05:33.23 | RedHat | emcnabb:you said the same thing last night... |
| 05:35.48 | emcnabb | I know |
| 05:35.53 | emcnabb | that's how happy I am |
| 05:36.03 | RedHat | happy is good |
| 05:36.06 | emcnabb | it is |
| 05:36.06 | tensai | wired or wireless? |
| 05:36.11 | emcnabb | wireless |
| 05:36.17 | tensai | even better |
| 05:36.25 | tensai | free or costly add on? |
| 05:36.45 | emcnabb | we actually had to buy one connection; but my brother set up his laptop as an access point (iptables rocks) so we're all sharing it |
| 05:36.55 | emcnabb | my parents are paying for it |
| 05:37.03 | tensai | so free then :) |
| 05:37.17 | emcnabb | yup :-) |
| 05:37.20 | tensai | what hotel? |
| 05:37.51 | emcnabb | Embassy Suite |
| 05:37.56 | emcnabb | in Austin |
| 05:38.21 | hans | mmmmmm |
| 05:38.48 | hans | tensai: they were mmmmmm |
| 05:39.12 | tensai | hans: wasn't sure if you meant the rolls or the wireless. both are mmmm |
| 05:39.16 | hans | not like my windows experience today. :( I think it was the scsi card. (i took all my peripherals out and it all of a sudden quit messing with me) |
| 05:39.28 | emcnabb | man |
| 05:39.32 | hans | you'd think windows would learn to mess with me. |
| 05:39.43 | hans | all so I can jump through the gre prep hoops. :) |
| 05:40.20 | hans | well, off to bed. more windows gre prep fun tomorrow. |
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| 06:21.35 | neybar | hans you still there? |
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| 15:17.51 | bonez39 | neybar: I think he's sleeping in |
| 16:12.26 | hans | neybar: here now |
| 16:14.08 | neybar | I have a debian Q for you. I installed cyrus-pop3 I also want hotwayd, but when I try to install hotway it wants to remove the cyrus-pop3 stuff. Is there a way to make apt get the hotway package with out removing the cyrus stuff? |
| 16:30.23 | hans | the only reason it would do that is if hotway conflicted with (or replaced) cyrus-pop3 (or vice versa) |
| 16:30.34 | hans | i'm not familiar with hotway, but there must be a reason |
| 16:38.42 | neybar | well hotway acts like a pop service, but I have it setup on another machine so that it uses a different port. |
| 17:01.40 | neybar | is there an apt-get bundle for a development environment? one that will grab make, gcc, autoconf etc? |
| 17:10.02 | hans | neybar: the c-dev task will do that. not sure if tasks are apt-gettable, but you can use either tasksel or aptitued (or, gak, dselect) |
| 17:10.10 | hans | aptitude |
| 17:11.06 | hans | from the hotway descr: |
| 17:11.43 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.43 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.40 | hans | so as I see it your options are: install it from source, get the .deb source and hack the .deb so it won't conflict (not really at all hard), or "don't do that" |
| 17:13.22 | hans | to munge the source package, |
| 17:13.28 | hans | apt-get source hotway |
| 17:13.41 | hans | vim hotway<tab>/debian/control |
| 17:13.49 | hans | remove the conflicts line |
| 17:15.09 | hans | cd hotway<tab>; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 17:15.19 | hans | (you might need to have done apt-get build-dep hotway) |
| 17:15.46 | hans | install it (looks like you'll want to backup your inetd.conf first) |
| 17:16.02 | hans | configure it. make sure in the future not to try to upgrade it. :) |
| 17:29.10 | neybar | heh, I grabbed the source for SF, but I discovered that I can't compile yet on this system. Hence the previous question |
| 17:39.37 | bonez39 | hans? are you familiar with an alternative mirror to people.debian.org? |
| 17:39.49 | bonez39 | I can't run apt-get update without it stalling on that site |
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| 19:04.55 | bbeattie_ | Anyone know which would be faster, raid0 with 2 drives on the primary of each ide controller on the motherboard (That also have slaves of a slower drive and the other with a dvd drive) or using a pci card with 2 ide controllers, and the drives primary on each, no slaves. ? (Motherboard and the pci ide controllers are all ata 133), drives are ata 133, except the second drive which is ata33 |
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| 19:09.48 | art | hey anyone know of any good deframenting tools for windows? |
| 19:10.20 | art | qtpartd is complaining that my ntfs partition isn't defragmented, but the windows deframenter says it is. |
| 19:10.46 | art | I'd like the windows deframenter to move file to the begining of the disk, but it won't do it. |
| 19:11.50 | bytheway | hey art, how's it going? |
| 19:11.55 | art | hey hey |
| 19:12.00 | art | going wel. |
| 19:12.07 | art | hey ardour is really doing well. |
| 19:12.14 | art | it is amazingly sweet. |
| 19:12.20 | bytheway | yeah, I've been following the discussions, but haven't tried it lately |
| 19:12.34 | bytheway | I should fire it up one of these days |
| 19:12.37 | art | man I haven't seen you in likeforever. |
| 19:12.41 | art | how's it going. |
| 19:12.57 | bytheway | pretty well. Still in school, but enjoying things. |
| 19:13.03 | bytheway | what're you up to? |
| 19:13.03 | art | cool. |
| 19:13.08 | art | graduated. |
| 19:13.14 | art | my wife's finishing up school. |
| 19:13.25 | art | that's pretty much it. |
| 19:13.27 | bytheway | nice |
| 19:13.39 | bytheway | you still in provo? |
| 19:13.56 | art | orem |
| 19:14.48 | art | how about you? |
| 19:15.16 | bytheway | I'm in provo. Moved to carriage cove this semester. I'm in the same ward as the mcnabbs |
| 19:16.15 | bytheway | so, are you using ardour on a regular basis? |
| 19:16.26 | art | starting too. |
| 19:16.34 | art | I have a big project I'm starting. |
| 19:16.39 | bytheway | nice. |
| 19:16.41 | art | gonna do the whole thing in ardour. |
| 19:16.51 | bytheway | I'm in music 351 this semester. Getting my feet wet in daws |
| 19:17.07 | bytheway | (the pro-tools class) |
| 19:17.11 | art | cool |
| 19:17.20 | art | pro-tools is nice |
| 19:17.44 | bytheway | we don't get to use the good stuff yet, we're just on pro-tools free in the alma lab |
| 19:18.24 | art | well you can always build your own system with ardour |
| 19:18.34 | bytheway | I've thought of that. |
| 19:19.11 | art | with a Hammerfall card (not too expensive) a dual athlon you coud build quite the system. |
| 19:20.05 | art | then get yourself a dual nvidia agp card, two nice monitors and you are set. |
| 19:20.18 | bytheway | stop, you're making me drool |
| 19:20.22 | bytheway | ;-) |
| 19:20.43 | art | you should come over and look at my system. |
| 19:20.47 | art | it is sweet. |
| 19:20.57 | bytheway | I'd like to. |
| 19:21.10 | art | 1000 bucks and you've got yourself a kick butt DAW |
| 19:21.24 | bytheway | for a price less than the PT software alone |
| 19:21.39 | art | plus, you can hook up a midi mixer to ardour, and mix using that controller. |
| 19:21.46 | art | it doesn't get sweeter than that. |
| 19:22.01 | bytheway | I've noticed they've added support for HUIs recently |
| 19:23.37 | art | yep. |
| 19:24.33 | bytheway | I'll have to give it a try. I don't really have the necessary sound hardware (only an sblive), but at least I can fire it up and take a look |
| 19:24.50 | art | you know I have a sblive. |
| 19:24.54 | art | and it's not bad. |
| 19:25.02 | art | (not great, but not bad). |
| 19:25.16 | art | so you married yet |
| 19:25.19 | art | ? |
| 19:25.20 | bytheway | nope |
| 19:25.27 | bytheway | not yet. still tryin' |
| 19:25.30 | art | that's cool. |
| 19:25.37 | art | just take your time. |
| 19:26.36 | art | so what do you think of ogg vs. mp3? |
| 19:26.58 | bytheway | I usually use ogg if I need lossy compression. Lately, I've mostly used flac, though |
| 19:27.09 | art | how does flac compare? |
| 19:27.19 | bytheway | flac is lossless, so file sizes are still huge |
| 19:27.28 | art | ahh. |
| 19:27.28 | bytheway | but about half the size of wavs |
| 19:28.03 | bytheway | magnatune.com actually has full cds you can buy and download in flac format |
| 19:28.28 | bytheway | it's pretty nice. |
| 19:29.04 | art | hey sorry but I gotta go. |
| 19:29.07 | art | seeyz |
| 19:37.51 | brailsmt | hans and i tried out flac the other day, a 50MB .wav was reduced to 20MB with flac... |
| 19:38.30 | brailsmt | it was reduced to 2.8MB with ogg... :) but that is lossy and not good for high fidelity type stuff |
| 19:42.12 | brailsmt | though human ears listening to computer speakers couldn't tell the .ogg from the .flac ;) |
| 19:42.38 | bytheway | yeah, the hardware definitely makes a difference. |
| 19:42.52 | bytheway | I have some really nice headphones, so the difference is much more apparent. |
| 19:44.56 | brailsmt | i have some good headphones too but the soundcard is the limiting factor here... |
| 19:45.41 | brailsmt | soundcards on $1000 laptops are not high quality... ;) |
| 19:46.50 | brailsmt | at least back when i bought this one |
| 19:47.44 | bytheway | no, my soundcard is pretty bad too. |
| 19:49.09 | bytheway | And with magnatune.com you buy their albums, download them in flac, burn them on a cd and get full quality. THAT, I like. |
| 19:51.44 | brailsmt | any flac players? |
| 19:51.53 | brailsmt | can xmms play flac? |
| 19:52.03 | bytheway | oh yeah, xmms can play them. |
| 19:52.14 | bytheway | just make sure you have the right plug-in |
| 19:52.27 | brailsmt | any commandline players like mpg123/ogg123? |
| 19:52.28 | bytheway | my box came with the plugin by default |
| 19:52.42 | bytheway | good question. |
| 19:54.14 | brailsmt | i like to listen to music without X |
| 19:56.41 | bytheway | flac-tools gives a command-line program: flac123 |
| 19:57.27 | brailsmt | cool |
| 19:57.47 | brailsmt | i like how they follow the *123 naming scheme... |
| 19:58.03 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:58.27 | bytheway | might as well follow the leader |
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