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| 00:41.30 | emcnabb | hans, are you around? |
| 00:52.56 | hans | that was a fun test. :-) |
| 00:53.24 | sjansen | What test? |
| 00:53.33 | hans | 465 |
| 00:53.40 | emcnabb | hans, like usual I did poorly |
| 00:53.47 | emcnabb | go evan go! |
| 00:53.48 | hans | not that I just got out of it, but I've been running errands |
| 00:54.40 | sjansen | er, emcnabb, hate to brake it to you but, when they say that they usually mean go (away) evan, go (away) };-) |
| 00:58.02 | emcnabb | sjansen, yeah, I've known about that for quite a while now |
| 00:58.13 | emcnabb | usually there are swear words in there too |
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| 00:58.17 | hans | is that a devil or a gnu? |
| 00:58.22 | emcnabb | but I just block those by now |
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| 00:59.16 | sjansen | Devil. |
| 01:00.13 | sjansen | s/brake/break/ |
| 01:02.20 | emcnabb | at |
| 01:03.11 | Josh222| | lots of spelling errors tonight i see |
| 01:03.18 | emcnabb | wat? |
| 01:03.30 | Josh222| | nevrmind |
| 01:03.37 | hans | yeah, like that josh guy who accidentally put 222| on the end of his name ;-) |
| 01:03.39 | emcnabb | col |
| 01:03.45 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 01:03.47 | Josh222| | ya i was typing too fast |
| 01:04.03 | RyanE | He was trying for Josh123 |
| 01:04.33 | Josh222| | my cat jumped on the keyboard |
| 01:11.50 | Bradipo | Yeah, turkey chalupa supremes would be most bodacious. |
| 01:11.53 | RyanE | how many are not going home for Thanksgiving? |
| 01:12.12 | Josh222| | i usually get the steak |
| 01:12.18 | emcnabb | I'm going to Texas for a family reuninion |
| 01:12.42 | emcnabb | might be stoping by IBM's LTC (if Halcrow can get me; we're still not sure yet) |
| 01:12.45 | RyanE | gonna meet the Texas McNabbs? |
| 01:13.02 | emcnabb | these are on my mom's side |
| 01:13.20 | emcnabb | you should see the Arkansas / Southern Missouri McNabbs |
| 01:13.24 | emcnabb | now that's scary |
| 01:13.40 | emcnabb | we had our last McNabb reunion in Pocahontas Arkansas |
| 01:13.42 | RyanE | hehehe. My wife's got some Magna family. Also scary |
| 01:13.54 | RyanE | ooh. I think there's a Disney Theme Park there, no? :) |
| 01:13.57 | Josh222| | haha, magna family |
| 01:17.57 | emcnabb | when I try to go full screen in mplayer the image says the same size (and the rest of screen is darkened) instead of taking up the full screen |
| 01:18.04 | emcnabb | any ideas? |
| 01:18.20 | RyanE | laptop, right? |
| 01:18.32 | emcnabb | yeah, and the accelerated drivers are installed |
| 01:18.33 | emcnabb | gentoo |
| 01:18.34 | RyanE | I've only seen that on my laptop. I don't remember the resolution. |
| 01:18.39 | RyanE | i.e. the solution |
| 01:18.59 | torriem | Is the XVideo extension available? (xdpyinfo) |
| 01:19.12 | RyanE | is this straight mplayer, or something like gmplayer or kmplayer? |
| 01:19.13 | emcnabb | torriem, how do I tell? |
| 01:19.17 | emcnabb | both |
| 01:19.25 | torriem | xdpyinfo |
| 01:19.29 | torriem | I think |
| 01:19.29 | emcnabb | torriem, ok |
| 01:20.34 | emcnabb | ok, it barfed a whole bunch of info |
| 01:20.36 | Josh222| | emcnabb: make sure youre using xv for the video driver |
| 01:21.10 | torriem | Look for the "XVideo" extension near the beginning of xdpyinfo |
| 01:21.12 | torriem | 's output |
| 01:22.08 | Josh222| | start it with -v xv, or if youre using the gui, go to the preferences and set the driver to xv under the video tab |
| 01:22.23 | hans | emcnabb: get a smaller screen? |
| 01:23.40 | emcnabb | Josh222|, I just tried that and got the same effects |
| 01:23.43 | RyanE | or some of that black tape on the edges that they use on movie screens. If you just screen it off, you won't notice it as much. :) |
| 01:24.11 | emcnabb | VO: [x11] 320x240 => 320x240 Planar YV12 |
| 01:24.11 | emcnabb | VO: Description: X11 ( XImage/Shm ) |
| 01:24.18 | emcnabb | that what it says in mplayer |
| 01:24.21 | torriem | Evan, when you're running it in windowed mode (not trying to full-screen it), when moving the window around, does a blue box appear? |
| 01:24.37 | torriem | Hmm |
| 01:24.41 | emcnabb | so many responses :-) |
| 01:24.59 | RyanE | or pink. Some apps use Pink as the chroma key color. |
| 01:25.01 | emcnabb | torriem, no |
| 01:25.12 | torriem | Obligatory reponses: switch to debian. Try OS X. Recompile gentoo. |
| 01:25.17 | RyanE | Xvideo should show the chroma key color when moving the window around. |
| 01:25.19 | Josh222| | so in the preferences, under video, its on xv? |
| 01:25.37 | Josh222| | RyanE: its always been blue for me |
| 01:25.53 | torriem | emcnabb: That's the blue color RyanE is talking about. If you don't see it, it's not being used. I thought the X11 driver could scale images also, though. |
| 01:26.02 | Josh222| | x11 cannot |
| 01:26.11 | RyanE | I'm thinking MythTV and also TVTime both use pink. Maybe it's a live video thing. |
| 01:26.26 | Josh222| | probably, mplayer and xine are both blue though |
| 01:26.39 | torriem | It could and used to. I think it must be an arbitrary decision on mplayer's part for performance to not scale the video unless XVideo is there to do it for them. |
| 01:26.47 | RyanE | interesante. |
| 01:27.08 | Josh222| | torriem: ya, i remember reading something like that in the mplayer docs a long time ago |
| 01:27.34 | torriem | emcnabb: was the XVideo extension listed by xdpyinfo (right near the beginning of the output)? |
| 01:27.45 | emcnabb | I have xv in my use flags to be compiled in |
| 01:27.53 | emcnabb | torriem, let me check |
| 01:27.55 | Josh222| | emcnabb: do xdpyinfo | grep XVideo |
| 01:28.40 | emcnabb | number of extensions: 14 |
| 01:28.41 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.41 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.41 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.03 | emcnabb | XVideo is no where in there |
| 01:29.05 | emcnabb | hum |
| 01:29.14 | Josh222| | that blows |
| 01:29.14 | RyanE | sounds like you need to recompile with XVideo |
| 01:29.18 | torriem | Probably you won't get full-screen video then. |
| 01:29.26 | torriem | Which XFree86 driver are you using |
| 01:29.27 | emcnabb | VO: Description: X11 ( XImage/Shm ) |
| 01:29.29 | emcnabb | RyanE, yeah |
| 01:29.36 | emcnabb | torriem, radeon |
| 01:29.48 | torriem | Is a dri module loaded in the kernel? |
| 01:30.01 | emcnabb | torriem, yeah |
| 01:30.18 | torriem | in the XF86Config, is there a Load "DRI" or something? |
| 01:30.21 | Josh222| | did you use the gentoo mplayer, or compile it manually? |
| 01:30.45 | torriem | If the X server doesn't have the XVideo extension, then mplayer won't be able to use it no matter how you compile it. |
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| 01:31.05 | RyanE | emcnabb: I didn't have to specify XVideo when I compiled X for my Sony Vaio, but it's compiled in. |
| 01:31.06 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.08 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.08 | torriem | So it's in there. |
| 01:31.10 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.29 | RyanE | that's always my favorite. conjures up images. |
| 01:31.34 | torriem | :) |
| 01:31.37 | Josh222| | emcnabb: you have direct rendering on? |
| 01:31.38 | torriem | shudder |
| 01:32.02 | torriem | (That should be in XF86Config somewhere near the bottom in it's own section) |
| 01:32.34 | emcnabb | Section "dri" |
| 01:32.35 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.35 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.35 | emcnabb | EndSection |
| 01:32.50 | Josh222| | emcnabb: do "glxinfo | grep Yes" and see if it returns "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 01:32.53 | torriem | Cool. I just discovered a new tool for checking out xvideo stuff: xvinfo. Reports a bunch of useless things on my machine. |
| 01:33.32 | emcnabb | [ emcnabb@moccasin:~ ] xvinfo |
| 01:33.32 | emcnabb | Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:33.32 | emcnabb | xvinfo: No X-Video Extension on :0.0 |
| 01:33.40 | emcnabb | that would be a problem |
| 01:33.59 | torriem | The driver for radeon is supposed to have it, though. That's really weird. |
| 01:34.11 | emcnabb | let me try to recompile mplayer |
| 01:34.25 | RyanE | won't help if you don't have XVideo on X |
| 01:34.32 | torriem | yeah |
| 01:34.34 | torriem | trie |
| 01:34.37 | torriem | true |
| 01:35.03 | RyanE | so you're using the radeon driver then? |
| 01:35.42 | torriem | Josh222|: somewhere around 3-6 hours, I think |
| 01:36.00 | RyanE | might be a bit longer on evan's itty-bitty laptop. |
| 01:36.01 | torriem | On a lighter note, the kdrive Xserver compiles in about 15 minutes. |
| 01:36.16 | torriem | With a lot of extensions (like transparency) |
| 01:36.20 | RyanE | kdrive Xserver? Google Time. |
| 01:36.25 | torriem | www.freedesktop.org |
| 01:36.37 | torriem | \/join #freedesktop |
| 01:36.41 | RyanE | ooh |
| 01:36.46 | emcnabb | RyanE, my laptop is pretty fast actually |
| 01:36.49 | torriem | make that "/join #freedesktop" |
| 01:37.15 | Josh222| | isnt it unaccelerated though? |
| 01:37.18 | RyanE | I'm just taunting you, because your laptop weighs less than 15 lbs. |
| 01:37.25 | emcnabb | RyanE, haha |
| 01:37.36 | RyanE | emcnabb: so you're loading radeon? |
| 01:38.07 | torriem | Josh222|: kdrive? yeah. But give it a couple of months. I've been following it's progress. All the goodness from kdrive will probably be patched into XFree86 in about 6 months. |
| 01:38.20 | Josh222| | sweet |
| 01:38.20 | emcnabb | RyanE, yeah |
| 01:38.29 | Josh222| | real transparency will be nice |
| 01:38.33 | torriem | However, there's talk of building an OpenGL backend for kdrive, which would let it run on top of XFree86 in a window or full screen, or just use the nvidia drivers |
| 01:39.23 | torriem | Also a company called SciTech is making high-quality, but closed-source (where ndas are concerned) drivers for both XFree86 and kdrive. They will definitely be accelerated, at least in 2d. |
| 01:39.50 | torriem | emcnabb: http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2002-March/011885.html |
| 01:40.32 | torriem | nevermind. Maybe that's no help |
| 01:40.47 | Josh222| | heh |
| 01:40.58 | Josh222| | in true mplayer mailing list fashion, it only took 3 responses for an RTFM |
| 01:41.04 | torriem | yeah |
| 01:41.18 | emcnabb | torriem, that's the card I have |
| 01:41.32 | torriem | The answer was "upgrade to XFree86 4.2.0" Of course we have 4.3.0 now |
| 01:42.24 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 01:50.18 | emcnabb | I can tell I have the accelated drivers working because tuxracer actually works :-) |
| 01:51.20 | RyanE | I don't think accelerated == XVideo, because TuxRacer doesn't work well on *my* laptop, but video stuff does. |
| 01:51.33 | emcnabb | hum |
| 01:52.27 | RyanE | actually, I take that back. |
| 01:52.39 | RyanE | tuxracer was installed on my RH 8 desktop and didn't work well. |
| 01:53.32 | Josh222| | emcnabb: did glxinfo say direct rending: Yes? |
| 01:53.55 | emcnabb | glxinfo |
| 01:53.55 | emcnabb | name of display: :0.0 |
| 01:53.55 | emcnabb | disabling TCL support |
| 01:53.55 | emcnabb | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 01:53.55 | emcnabb | direct rendering: Yes |
| 01:54.05 | Josh222| | yep, thats hardware acceleration |
| 01:54.17 | Josh222| | dri is working then |
| 01:54.33 | Josh222| | man, ive never not had XVideo before, ever |
| 01:54.40 | Josh222| | thats weird |
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| 01:56.48 | emcnabb | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=106174&highlight=xvinfo+xvideo+extension+0+0 |
| 01:57.12 | emcnabb | this guy has the XVideo extension being loaded in his XF86 log file |
| 01:57.14 | emcnabb | I don't |
| 02:01.08 | emcnabb | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04) |
| 02:01.16 | emcnabb | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY |
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| 02:39.10 | hans | is it time to try out 2.6testwhatever? |
| 02:41.55 | emcnabb | yup! |
| 02:42.05 | emcnabb | I've been using it for a while now |
| 02:42.13 | emcnabb | with good luck (overall for a test kernel) |
| 03:07.46 | RyanE | reminds me, I need to download test10 tonight |
| 03:07.57 | RyanE | or the diff, that is |
| 03:08.22 | hans | ooh, ext3 posic acls |
| 03:09.01 | Bradipo | posix? |
| 03:09.33 | hans | Posix Access Control Lists (ACLs) support permissions for users and |
| 03:09.33 | hans | groups beyond the owner/group/world scheme. |
| 03:09.33 | hans | To learn more about Access Control Lists, visit the Posix ACLs for |
| 03:09.33 | hans | Linux website <http://acl.bestbits.at/>. |
| 03:09.39 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 03:09.51 | Bradipo | You said posic and I was wondering if there was yet another standards group. |
| 03:09.54 | hans | oh, heh. |
| 03:10.15 | Bradipo | Yeah, ACLs can be nice. |
| 03:11.30 | Bradipo | I wonder what this new desktop will be... |
| 03:11.53 | RyanE | does anyone know off the top of their heads what port SWAT is on? |
| 03:11.59 | Bradipo | Haven't people learned that linux on the desktop is a pipe dream? |
| 03:12.01 | Bradipo | 901 |
| 03:12.17 | RyanE | I was thinking 960 for some reason. Thanks |
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| 04:45.46 | torriem | Just working on a project design document in OpenOffice (yeah I probably should learn LaTeX), and got thinking. Are there VI bindings for Openoffice? That would be really good and really speed up my editing. |
| 04:55.14 | Bradipo | I did all my project design documents in LaTeX |
| 04:55.16 | Bradipo | :-) |
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| 05:20.00 | torriem | Guess I should bite the bullet and learn LaTex. Then I can use vim itself. |
| 05:20.48 | Bradipo | LaTeX is very nice. |
| 05:21.12 | Bradipo | I actually helped my wife make a weekly newsletter using plain TeX |
| 05:21.18 | torriem | Nice |
| 05:21.31 | Bradipo | I had to write a lot of different macros for that. |
| 05:21.37 | torriem | Ahh |
| 05:21.40 | Bradipo | But once written it was easy to crank out a newsletter. |
| 05:21.48 | Bradipo | but LaTeX already has a lot of macros for your use. |
| 05:22.15 | Bradipo | If I had time I would just use TeX. |
| 05:22.20 | Bradipo | Much more control over everything. |
| 05:22.40 | Bradipo | Now I just use LyX and edit when necessary. |
| 05:22.42 | bytheway | check out lyx as well |
| 05:22.52 | bytheway | exactly ;-) |
| 05:28.30 | bytheway | howdy |
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| 05:33.52 | mcleverl | Hello. |
| 05:35.55 | Bradipo | Hello |
| 05:38.46 | sjansen | Great movie. |
| 05:38.58 | sjansen | Good night all. |
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| 14:39.35 | Hanuman | good morning all |
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| 14:57.29 | emcnabb | morning |
| 14:57.33 | byron | good morning |
| 14:57.39 | emcnabb | byron, HELLO!!!! |
| 14:57.43 | emcnabb | are you at work? |
| 14:57.58 | byron | no, I'm still at home |
| 14:58.03 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
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| 15:06.25 | emcnabb | bonez39, you're in Texas, right? |
| 15:06.41 | bonez39 | texas? no, in sandy...just south of Salt Lake..where are you? |
| 15:07.01 | emcnabb | oh, never mind |
| 15:07.08 | emcnabb | I though you were Glen |
| 15:08.00 | bonez39 | oh, it's ok... |
| 15:08.07 | bonez39 | you don't use win4lin do you? |
| 15:08.15 | emcnabb | nope |
| 15:08.20 | emcnabb | I do use VMware |
| 15:09.32 | bonez39 | hmm vmware is great .... |
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| 15:25.55 | emcnabb | I'm going to IBM's Linux Technology Center in Austin this weekend! |
| 15:25.59 | emcnabb | it's official now! |
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| 15:40.47 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.12 | Hanuman | http://projects.ldsoss.org/projects/familycms |
| 15:42.18 | Hanuman | code soon to come |
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| 15:52.35 | Hanuman | Anyone have moderator priviledges on /. today? |
| 15:52.47 | emcnabb | nope |
| 15:52.54 | emcnabb | or do you mean modpoints? |
| 15:53.10 | emcnabb | I don't have any of those either |
| 15:53.24 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 15:53.26 | Hanuman | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=87099&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=185&mode=thread&cid=7569076 |
| 15:53.46 | Hanuman | I need a good rating so it appears |
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| 16:40.10 | swedish_chef | bork bork bork |
| 16:41.22 | bonez39 | bork bork bork? waht's that? guy on the supreme court? |
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| 16:42.28 | animal | Animaaaal!!!! |
| 16:58.42 | neybar_work | debian has a really odd file structure... at least when compaired to the red hat world :-) |
| 16:59.23 | neybar_work | I just installed squirrelmail and I can't figure out where it went to. |
| 16:59.36 | tensai | dpkg -L squirrelmail |
| 17:00.27 | swedish_chef | neybar_work: LSB |
| 17:01.41 | tensai | swedish_chef: what's with the muppets theme today? |
| 17:03.11 | neybar_work | why would the squirrelmail files be installed in /usr/share/squirrelmail when the web root is in /var/www? that doesn't make sense |
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| 17:08.23 | neybar_work | I'm not converted yet, but I am really liking debian. but having the web root at /var/www and cgi-bin in /usr/lib/cgi-bin seems like an odd standard. Granted it is easy to change |
| 17:08.24 | animal | Mandrake is even worse than Debian |
| 17:08.37 | animal | Solaris is like that |
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| 17:09.16 | animal | tensai: you should become a muppet too - it's fun |
| 17:09.58 | emcnabb | SCO TO SUE GOOGLE?!?! |
| 17:10.03 | emcnabb | http://www.linuxworld.com/story/38045.htm |
| 17:10.20 | fozzy | it is time for SCO to go away |
| 17:10.21 | swedish_chef | tensai: I'm baking for thanksgiving today |
| 17:10.30 | swedish_chef | sourdough and non-sourdough rolls |
| 17:10.32 | swedish_chef | mmmmm |
| 17:10.52 | swedish_chef | fozzy: i think it's a security thing (and related to the cgi-bin deal) |
| 17:11.01 | swedish_chef | I admit that one is rather annoying, but then security usually is. |
| 17:11.33 | swedish_chef | read the docs in /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail for getting things set up. squirrelmail's easy but I think you do need something in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 17:13.00 | RyanE | emcnabb: I was just wondering yesterday if it was going to be Google. |
| 17:13.01 | swedish_chef | "McBride said he'd like to play that number in Vegas." oooh, can we ex him now? ;-) |
| 17:13.33 | emcnabb | RyanE, yeah, google is going to counter sue them so quickly |
| 17:14.01 | RyanE | b/c some article yesterday mentioned a couple of companies that were trying to avoid this altogether, and Google was one of them. |
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| 17:22.48 | bonez39 | is there a channel here devoted to mozilla? |
| 17:23.00 | bonez39 | anyone know where to find that? |
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| 17:26.53 | ajorge | can I ask a route question here? |
| 17:27.57 | ajorge | hmm, i'll take the silence to mean "but of course" |
| 17:28.24 | ajorge | I have a silly HP printserver who thinks it's address is 192.0.0.192 |
| 17:28.42 | ajorge | I'd like to telnet to it, but can't figure how since that's not my subnet. |
| 17:28.59 | ajorge | I've tried to add a static route, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:29.15 | ajorge | though I can broadcast ping to it. |
| 17:29.27 | ajorge | (before adding static route) |
| 17:29.35 | ajorge | any takers? |
| 17:30.57 | RyanE | ajorge: and you're saying you can't change it's IP address? |
| 17:32.21 | ajorge | well, I don't have a way to talk to it just yet. |
| 17:32.34 | ajorge | I figure if I can telnet to it I can tell it who it really is. |
| 17:33.41 | ajorge | It might do bootp or something, I'm not sure. but it didn't do dhcp |
| 17:34.46 | ajorge | I tried 'route add -host 192.0.0.192 eth0' but if I then run traceroute it still tries the gateway. |
| 17:35.35 | RyanE | best bet might be changing a computer to be IP 192.0.0.1, then hooking to print server, talk to it, change it to something sane, then put them both back on the network. |
| 17:35.40 | RyanE | that would be the tack I'd try. |
| 17:36.20 | ajorge | hmm, that might work. I'll try that when I get a chance. |
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| 17:53.34 | fozzy | easiest thing would be to temporarily change your address to be in the 192.168.0.0 subnet, telnet to the print server and then changes its address |
| 17:53.53 | RyanE | that sounds very familiar... |
| 17:54.02 | fozzy | d'oh |
| 17:54.06 | RyanE | and he's left the room |
| 17:54.07 | RyanE | :) |
| 17:54.43 | brailsmt | how is it possible for a company to sue another for copyright infringements for using an OS that they do not own, and which they have not been proven to own in court? |
| 17:56.15 | brailsmt | according to SCO's logic (or complete lack thereof), i can claim to DOS and then sue Microsoft, and any company that uses windows?!? |
| 17:56.43 | brailsmt | without ever proving that I own any portion of DOS |
| 17:56.44 | levi | Well, it's possible to file a lawsuit for just about anything. The question is whether you can win it. |
| 17:56.51 | RyanE | too complicated to discuss over IM, and you're preaching to the choir. |
| 17:57.13 | brailsmt | i want to sue McBride for amking an ass of BYU alums |
| 17:57.22 | brailsmt | :) |
| 17:58.22 | brailsmt | there is despicable, then there is Darl McBride |
| 18:03.20 | fozzy | anyone using the debian apache packages? I installed apache, apache-perl, and apache-ssl but only the ssl process is starting up. |
| 18:04.50 | fozzy | I'd like to use the debian packages so that they will keep up with updates etc, if I do some serious hacking on the config file will that messup anything where apt-get is concerned? |
| 18:11.25 | animal | ^sue McBride |
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| 18:13.26 | animal | SCO should just suethemselves and get the whole thing over with. |
| 18:17.42 | fozzy | did debian.org get hacked? I haven't been able to access any of their lists or other resources that come up on google. |
| 18:18.20 | RyanE | last week. |
| 18:18.55 | fozzy | ah |
| 18:19.02 | fozzy | I chose a bad time to convert... :-) |
| 18:19.36 | levi | Some of the debian servers did get hacked. |
| 18:20.36 | RyanE | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/print.php/3112551 |
| 18:26.50 | fozzy | how do I find out what version of a packages is in stable vs. testing or unstable? |
| 18:27.39 | fozzy | I can't get to packages.debian.org to see the web listing |
| 18:36.09 | fozzy | got it... apt-cache showpkg "package name" |
| 18:57.47 | brailsmt | should SCO sue themselves for distributing their own IP freely without knowing what the heck they were doing? |
| 18:58.17 | brailsmt | s/IP/allegded IP/ |
| 19:01.02 | Bradipo | If you own a book store and also write books and didn't discover that some of the books you sold had your own plagarized words in them, would you be responsible for those books? |
| 19:01.34 | Bradipo | That's like saying that the perpetrator of a crime isn't responsible if the person against whom they commit it wasn't aware of the crime being commited. |
| 19:01.38 | animal | ^sue |
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| 19:02.49 | animal | Bradipo: yes, but what if it hasn't been proven yet that it actually was plagarized? |
| 19:03.12 | Bradipo | If it hasn't been proven, then why speculate about it so much. |
| 19:03.30 | Bradipo | Wait for the court decision. |
| 19:03.33 | animal | Or perhaps it is eventually determined that you plagarized their words, rather than vice-versa. |
| 19:04.52 | animal | Then why would you go about suing others for selling those plagarized books when the sellers of those books weren't the ones plagarizing the books? |
| 19:04.57 | Bradipo | Right, but the point is, arguments that SCO is at fault because they didn't notice the code there while they were distributing are faulty. |
| 19:05.30 | animal | Bradipo: I agree with that |
| 19:06.00 | Bradipo | I suppose it depends on the books. |
| 19:06.08 | swedish_chef | the sourdough rolls rise |
| 19:06.11 | swedish_chef | bork bork |
| 19:06.23 | animal | swedish_chef: sure, change the subject ;-) |
| 19:06.49 | animal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.07 | Bradipo | Is that animal from the muppets? |
| 19:07.35 | animal | yeah - I'm going off of hans's muppets theme today |
| 19:18.34 | animal | has anyone seen any "behind-the-scenes" showings on TV of ROTK? |
| 19:19.00 | animal | They did that a bunch last year before TT was released |
| 19:19.38 | beaker | ;) |
| 19:19.57 | beaker | i will now commence to mutter incomprehensible nonsense... |
| 19:20.10 | beaker | maybe I should change my nick to Darl McBride... :D |
| 19:20.38 | beaker | the end result is that same :) |
| 19:20.51 | waldorf | :) |
| 19:47.41 | fozzy | bummer xmission isn't letting non-xmission customers download files > 200M from there mirror any more. Anyone know of a good locale place to get the fedora core from? |
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| 19:52.41 | animal | beaker - it's mee meee mee me meee mee meee meeee me |
| 19:53.43 | animal | anyone heard the muppets song, mana-mana? |
| 20:08.29 | swedish_chef | hanuman: yes, and it's not sung by animal |
| 20:08.36 | animal | yes, I know |
| 20:08.41 | animal | but it's a cool song |
| 20:08.59 | swedish_chef | no matter what half of napster users thought. :) It's sung by Mahna-mahna and the two snowths |
| 20:09.13 | animal | you don't have the Adam Sandler Thanksgiving song by chance do you? |
| 20:09.17 | swedish_chef | no |
| 20:09.26 | animal | swedish_chef: so it wasn't even muppets after all? |
| 20:14.55 | animal | How dare napster lie to me |
| 20:15.11 | animal | I paid good money for that song |
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| 20:18.09 | swedish_chef | oh yes, it was from the muppet show |
| 20:18.12 | swedish_chef | and on sesame street |
| 20:19.24 | animal | oh - good |
| 20:19.32 | animal | just wanted to be sure |
| 20:40.26 | bonez39 | I want to find an entry in a config file, I know to use cat and grep, but don't know the exact usage...I want to look for "mki-adapter" in file names config-2.4.22 |
| 20:40.32 | bonez39 | how do I accomplish this? |
| 20:41.19 | RyanE | grep "mki-adapter" config-2.4.22 |
| 20:43.29 | bonez39 | RyanE: ok, that returns nothing...so that means that item is not found in config-2.4.22, right? |
| 20:43.35 | RyanE | yep |
| 20:46.28 | animal | bonez39: if you want a case-insensitive search, add a -i in there, but other than that, you're correct |
| 20:47.43 | bonez39 | animal: oh, I don't want any case sensitive being there...so just running it as I did would have noticed anything with mki-adapter or just mki in it, right? |
| 20:48.12 | RyanE | no, just mki-adapter |
| 20:48.34 | RyanE | if you want anything with mki in it, grep "mki" config-2.4.22 |
| 20:50.41 | Hanuman | bonez39: note that grep "mki" config-2.4.22 will not find "MKI" instances, which I imagine you don't care about anyway, correct? |
| 20:55.47 | swedish_chef | bonez39: grep -i mki config-2.4.22 |
| 20:56.57 | Hanuman | that would inlude instances of "MKI" and "mki" |
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| 21:54.59 | swedish_chef | sourdough rolls on their final rise. bork bork bork. |
| 21:59.24 | bonez39 | hmmmm sour dough........ |
| 21:59.35 | bonez39 | makes me salivate.. |
| 22:01.12 | bonez39 | swedish_chef: that grep with the -i worked...found what I was seeking on that config file |
| 22:15.25 | bonez39 | I am running gnome desktop 2.2. Normally I can invoke the command prompt dialogue with ALT-F2, but that stopped working a few days ago. Where or how is that controlled, the function of that combination? |
| 22:16.53 | Hanuman | bonez39: -i does a case-insensitive search, meaning it doesn't care whether it's a "A" or "a" |
| 22:17.06 | Hanuman | well, happy thanksgiving guys - time to head home |
| 22:20.26 | bonez39 | Hanuman: excellent..and Happy Turkey Trails to you too! |
| 22:31.59 | tomeast | anyone know where I could find a list of packages that can be installed with apt? |
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| 22:50.33 | bunsen | tomeast: debian or redhat? |
| 22:51.07 | tomeast | bunsen: redhat |
| 22:52.01 | bunsen | you're looking for apt sources? or all the files available from your current sources? |
| 22:52.32 | tomeast | i'm actually just trying to guess what i need to type if I want a given package |
| 22:52.57 | tomeast | all files available I guess |
| 22:53.11 | tomeast | bit of a newbie with apt |
| 22:53.32 | bonez39 | I have an USB zip drive..my system sees it but I am having trouble figuring out how to mount it.. |
| 22:53.42 | bonez39 | where do I read to start to learn how to do this? |
| 22:53.55 | bunsen | use apt-cache, as in apt-cache search <parameters> |
| 22:54.08 | tomeast | bunsen: cool - I'll go try that, thanks! |
| 22:54.19 | bunsen | that'll search the package names and their descriptions. kinda like your own personal google |
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| 22:54.46 | tomeast | nice - i did try the man pages but I missed that one |
| 22:55.05 | resplin | bonez39: man mount |
| 22:55.20 | resplin | bonez39: try mount /mnt/zip |
| 22:56.15 | tomeast | bonez39: what distro? |
| 22:56.59 | resplin | bonez39: But make sure that you have a line in your fstab that says something like this: /dev/hd<something> /mnt/zip auto user |
| 23:11.33 | bonez39 | tomeast: it's debian 3.0 |
| 23:11.50 | bonez39 | resplin: that's just it, I have not yet modified my /etc/fstab |
| 23:15.01 | bonez39 | resplin: it's asking me what file system type..the drive lights up..butt Ineed to supply the type |
| 23:15.21 | bonez39 | that's the information I am lacking for an Iomega zip drive |
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| 23:15.49 | bonez39 | hello sa |
| 23:16.28 | sa | hi |
| 23:16.49 | bonez39 | I have a USB drive that I want to mount..what file type would I tell it to look for there? |
| 23:17.29 | sa | i think it would look like a regular hard drive. |
| 23:17.36 | sa | like /dev/hdc? |
| 23:17.54 | bonez39 | but it is asking me for the type..yeah, mounting /dev/sda1 is that scsi? it's not a scsi drive..... |
| 23:18.55 | sa | actually it might be sda1, i dont have a usb drive. but firewire drives show up as scsi |
| 23:19.49 | sa | mabey check dmesg? |
| 23:23.40 | bonez39 | ok....my file system type reads /dev/sda1 |
| 23:24.56 | bonez39 | sa: here's what I get from dmesg: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 SCSI device sda: 196608 512-byte hdwr sectors (101 MB) usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1027 sda: Write Protect is off /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p4 |
| 23:25.01 | bonez39 | that's the output from dmesg |
| 23:25.22 | bonez39 | so I guess it really is a scsi drive |
| 23:26.05 | sa | yep, thats what it looks like. is it working for you now? |
| 23:26.57 | bonez39 | no...how do I tell it that it's a scsi drive? would it be 'mount -t scsi /dev/sda1 /zipper' ? |
| 23:27.21 | bonez39 | that says...file type 'scsi' is not supported |
| 23:27.35 | sa | nope, the -t if the filesystem type. like ext3 or ntfs |
| 23:27.36 | bonez39 | I know it will see it and read and write from and to it.. |
| 23:27.39 | bonez39 | oh, I see |
| 23:28.03 | sa | you could try -t auto if you dont know what type it is |
| 23:28.07 | bonez39 | both ext3 and ext2 tell me it's not a valid block device |
| 23:28.31 | bonez39 | hmmm auto says...You must specify the file system type |
| 23:28.57 | sa | ok, try fdisk -l |
| 23:29.17 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 23:29.40 | sa | does that say anything about the drive? |
| 23:29.50 | bonez39 | is that fdisk -l or fdisk -1 or fdisk -| (pipe) ? |
| 23:30.10 | sa | -l as in list. |
| 23:31.20 | sa | oyou might have to do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" |
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| 23:32.25 | bonez39 | ok |
| 23:34.13 | bonez39 | sa: do you knwo anyone local who creates transaction web sites? for an online business, with shopping cart and such....ssl? |
| 23:34.30 | sa | nope... |
| 23:35.38 | sa | are you starting a business? |
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| 23:58.14 | bonez39 | sa: still here? |
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| 23:59.00 | sa | yep |
| 23:59.05 | bonez39 | my mother is looking at spending thousands to get a commercial site.....she works from home..has various business 'irons in the fire'....wants something that will allow visitors to register and do stock trades and other things..online, unattended.... |
| 23:59.10 | sa | i had to reboot |
| 23:59.14 | bonez39 | welcome back |
| 23:59.22 | bonez39 | what distro are you running? |
| 23:59.40 | sa | gentoo, I just installed linux test11 |
| 23:59.51 | bonez39 | test11? |
| 23:59.56 | bonez39 | is that something with gentoo? |