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| 01:14.56 | neybar | anyone remember the command to install knoppix to the harddrive? |
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| 01:22.12 | Tenebram | knx-hdinstall |
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| 01:44.26 | Bradipo | Does ifile support Maildir? |
| 01:45.18 | torriem | what is ifile? |
| 01:45.26 | Bradipo | It's a email filter. |
| 01:45.29 | torriem | oh. |
| 01:45.32 | torriem | http://www.google.com/search?q=ifile%20Maildir |
| 01:45.44 | BigWig | Hurrah for Google |
| 01:45.58 | Bradipo | Everyone is such a google drone these days. |
| 01:46.05 | torriem | Google knows all. |
| 01:46.10 | jakea | it's a good resource |
| 01:46.11 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 01:46.11 | BigWig | Yea, it's the #3 site on the 'net |
| 01:46.13 | jakea | usually |
| 01:46.31 | jakea | dare I ask what #2 and #1 are? |
| 01:46.34 | torriem | Dunno, but it's my first line of knowledge for just about any problem. Asking it questions can be a real art. |
| 01:46.38 | BigWig | #1: Yahoo, #2: MSN |
| 01:46.46 | Bradipo | But google doesn't suddenly combust into a discussion about good and bad mail filters. |
| 01:47.08 | Bradipo | And google doesn't have experiences from folks that I know in #utah and on PLUG. |
| 01:47.08 | BigWig | and Yahoo Search is powered by Google technology ;) |
| 01:47.10 | jakea | or jump into off topic conversation easily |
| 01:47.17 | torriem | google is biased towards linux-related stuff (well, unix-related), but maybe that's because our community is more open and links and shares more. |
| 01:47.23 | BigWig | Google doesn't buy me lunch |
| 01:47.26 | Bradipo | And yes, google is biased. |
| 01:47.36 | BigWig | Biased 'cause it's popularity based? |
| 01:47.49 | jakea | http://www.google.com/linux |
| 01:47.51 | Bradipo | I know for a fact that there are people here that have used ifile and Maildir but I just don't know if they are in here at the moment. :-) |
| 01:47.51 | torriem | I think so. |
| 01:48.11 | Bradipo | biased because it doesn't think. |
| 01:48.14 | jakea | or for some real fun: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ |
| 01:48.16 | torriem | Or at least because of page ranks anyway. |
| 01:48.31 | Bradipo | biased because it will only report what it knows about, but cannot expand. |
| 01:48.32 | jakea | or: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/ |
| 01:48.48 | Bradipo | So, if nobody has ever had the same problem as you, then you will find nothing. |
| 01:48.53 | BigWig | http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html is my preferred explanation of the workings behind Google's PageRank |
| 01:49.02 | Bradipo | But if people have had similar problems and you ask in IRC, they may say, well what if you try this... |
| 01:49.05 | Bradipo | Or what if you try that... |
| 01:50.02 | torriem | Bradipo: or everyone has the same problem as you but no body has a solution or when they find it they don't report back... |
| 01:50.09 | Bradipo | lol |
| 01:50.12 | Bradipo | I've seen that before too. |
| 01:50.23 | Bradipo | Drives me nuts sometimes. |
| 01:50.56 | torriem | yup. Especially when blazing new trails like when I was building an OpenLDAP directory and integrating it with Samba. Lots of trial and error. |
| 02:05.46 | torriem | http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp |
| 02:24.08 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:28.07 | Tenebram | silly... |
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| 03:46.00 | RyanE | things sure slow down here around FHE time. |
| 03:46.12 | Tenebram | they suuure are. |
| 03:46.18 | RyanE | not that I'm complaining. |
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| 04:22.38 | emcnabb | http://www.goiam.org/communicator/inettax/form.cfm |
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| 04:58.10 | emcnabb | hey bytheway |
| 04:58.13 | emcnabb | how goes it? |
| 04:58.55 | emcnabb | ok, I really need to study |
| 04:58.56 | emcnabb | later all |
| 05:02.19 | Tenebram | Bah, studying... |
| 05:02.22 | Tenebram | Who needs it? |
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| 14:41.09 | Hanuman | Good morning everyone |
| 14:41.37 | Hanuman | Lovely - Dell is outsourcing to India to handle it's CC transactions |
| 14:41.59 | Hanuman | Just the way I want my CC info handled... |
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| 16:45.57 | neybar_work | does anyone know what file controls the ls color mappings? |
| 16:46.18 | Bradipo | Hmm, is it a file or an environment variable? |
| 16:47.28 | neybar_work | I think it starts out as a file anyway. |
| 16:47.57 | neybar_work | I've run across it before, but I can't find it now... one of the blue colors is driving me crazy |
| 16:50.44 | neybar_work | I found it /etc/DIR_COLORS |
| 16:51.03 | neybar_work | you would think that would be more obvious, but I guess they wanted to make it hard to find... :-) |
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| 16:57.02 | Hanuman | mmm...I want an ATI AIW 9800 Pro now - digital TV Tuner |
| 16:59.17 | brailsmt | neybar_work: .dircolors |
| 16:59.50 | Hanuman | Nice picture of Darl McBride on this week's Information Week |
| 16:59.53 | brailsmt | then you do "dircolors .dircolors" so I guess the filename doesn't matter |
| 17:02.39 | neybar_work | thanks |
| 17:02.51 | Hanuman | Speaking of McBride in this article, "He once had his administrative assistant return the call of someone who challenged McBride to a fight -- to get a time and place." |
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| 17:03.51 | brailsmt | sounds like he is just as childish as the person that made the challenge |
| 17:04.12 | Hanuman | yeah - no kidding |
| 17:04.27 | Hanuman | He calls it "tough skin" in the article. |
| 17:05.52 | brailsmt | i call it chest beating |
| 17:05.55 | Hanuman | Here's the article online: |
| 17:05.57 | Hanuman | http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=16400348 |
| 17:44.21 | neybar_work | is there a way to downgrade a debian system? I installed knoppix which uses testing, but I want to run stable |
| 17:49.02 | levi | There is, but I don't recall how to do it. |
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| 17:53.00 | kip | any thunderbird users in here? |
| 17:53.23 | kip | oops |
| 17:53.32 | lukfugl | :) |
| 17:56.16 | lukfugl | I just upgraded to from mozilla-thunderbird-0.3 to mozilla-thunderbird-0.3-r1 (on gentoo) and now everytime I try to send a message I get "Sending of message failed: Error writing to temporary file." |
| 18:03.58 | lukfugl | nevermind. I just discovered my root partition is full. That would explain it |
| 18:04.16 | RyanE | oh... *THAT* temporary file. :) |
| 18:05.01 | lukfugl | on gentoo, is it safe to just nuke the contents of /var/tmp/portage? |
| 18:05.50 | lukfugl | I don't care if it slows down future compiles |
| 18:06.43 | RyanE | seems to me that the contents of /var/tmp/portage is not very large |
| 18:07.38 | RyanE | \/usr\/portage\/distfiles would definitely slow it down |
| 18:07.42 | lukfugl | I have 1.3G in /var/tmp/portage |
| 18:07.47 | RyanE | really? |
| 18:08.06 | RyanE | hmm. I wonder if your distfiles are there. Mine are under usr/portage/distfiles |
| 18:08.10 | lukfugl | according to du |
| 18:08.43 | lukfugl | nope, I have a /usr/portage/distfiles directory as well, which has 2.6G in it |
| 18:09.03 | lukfugl | so between the two, that's almost half the partition |
| 18:09.20 | RyanE | the only directories under /var/tmp/portage that have significant size in them seem to be work directories. I've only got two. All the rest are almost empty |
| 18:09.36 | jakea | Question: Does BYU have classes today? |
| 18:09.43 | bytheway | we do |
| 18:10.07 | jakea | k, I'll have to manipulate this parking thing... thx |
| 18:10.13 | bytheway | although a number of teachers have canceled their classes, from what I've heard, |
| 18:10.45 | bytheway | I don't expect campus will be very crowded today |
| 18:10.49 | lukfugl | RyanE: seems the same to me, but apparently I have *many* work directories |
| 18:11.23 | RyanE | I would guess it would be OK to kill them, but you may not want to just take my word for it. I'm no Gentoo expert. |
| 18:11.39 | RyanE | emcnabb would be a better resource |
| 18:12.01 | lukfugl | would nuking the work directories be acceptable, though? 'rm -rf /var/tmp/portage/*/work/' ? |
| 18:12.19 | lukfugl | I'd usually ask him on gaim, but he's not signed in at the moment :) |
| 18:12.22 | RyanE | I would think so, but again, I'm not the expert |
| 18:12.35 | RyanE | time to google it |
| 18:16.23 | RyanE | luk: looks OK. Gentoo FAQ says so. |
| 18:16.35 | RyanE | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#doc_chap4_sect16 |
| 18:19.01 | lukfugl | sweet -- that'll free 1.16G :) |
| 18:25.56 | lukfugl | thanks |
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| 19:21.16 | sjansen | I'm shocked and offended that no one has responded to my post to the UUG yet. It was a simple question. Is everyone just ignoring me? |
| 19:31.50 | hans | sjansen: when you figure it out I want to know. |
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| 20:27.06 | goateye | sorry my brain is numb... what is the name of the system to reg my Id (like chanserv) |
| 20:28.10 | tensai | goateye: nickserv |
| 20:28.17 | goateye | ahh yes! heh thanks. |
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| 22:15.59 | sjansen | emcnabb: Actually, CueCat support wouldn't be that interesting. I've started out more than once to create the app I described. I implemented cuecat support a couple of times, and every time I got frustrated at just how hard it was to get a valid scan with the thing. |
| 22:16.14 | RyanE | yeah, they're trash |
| 22:16.47 | RyanE | I gave my last one away to someone who asked about it on comp.home.automation |
| 22:18.10 | levi | I just found one in a drawer. |
| 22:18.21 | levi | I need to catalog all my misc computer junk and see if I can get rid of it. |
| 22:18.28 | levi | Unfortunately, that requires time... |
| 22:25.36 | emcnabb | sjansen, I think it would be nice thought to be able to scan in your books instead of typing it in |
| 22:27.11 | emcnabb | it sounds like you don't want to use a cuecat because it's hard to get working |
| 22:28.38 | RyanE | the problem isn't writing code for it. The problem is, it's a crappy scanner. I can type the code faster than making the fussy CueCat read it properly |
| 22:28.52 | RyanE | you need to hold it just right on angle, scan at a pretty constant speed, etc. |
| 22:31.56 | RyanE | They're like a 1970-era wand scanner for an Apple II put into a goofy plastic Cat shell. |
| 22:32.20 | RyanE | and with "encrypted" data output (if you use that term extremely loosely) |
| 22:32.34 | sjansen | emcnabb: Left hand holds book, right hand uses number pad. 7-10 seconds. Left hand holds book, right hands scans 3 seconds + 3 seconds + 3 seconds + 3 seconds (until a successful scan) |
| 22:33.06 | RyanE | unless you're having a child or nephew scan them in, in which case they may enjoy it. |
| 22:33.16 | RyanE | or niece |
| 22:38.17 | emcnabb | sjansen, I just think it would be cool to have |
| 22:38.43 | emcnabb | sjansen, I guess I'm not interested in a library system myself |
| 22:38.55 | emcnabb | I have hundreds of books too |
| 22:39.07 | emcnabb | I just write it on a piece of paper when I lend them out |
| 22:49.06 | neybar_work | I have a script that I want started at boot, but I don't want that script run as root, what is the best way to start that script? |
| 22:49.30 | HarleyPig | neybar_work su - user -c "script" |
| 22:50.04 | HarleyPig | or su -user -c "script" |
| 22:50.12 | HarleyPig | I don't remember if you have to have the space there or not. |
| 22:50.56 | tensai | yes, you need the space |
| 22:51.03 | HarleyPig | thanks |
| 23:00.39 | neybar_work | that does what I want, but then su is running the whole time the script is running which is all the time. |
| 23:01.43 | neybar_work | I was trying to use POSIX::setuid(), but that didn't seem to actually change anything |
| 23:02.41 | neybar_work | this is a perl script by the way, I am forking off a daemon that updates a database once a minute so I'd like this script to have as small a memory / cpu footprint as possible |
| 23:03.36 | tensai | memory used by su is swappable anyway. I doubt it's a big deal |
| 23:09.42 | tensai | neybar_work: have you looked at the example in perlsec(1)? |
| 23:14.17 | neybar_work | not yet... |
| 23:15.41 | tensai | it's 2/3rds of the way down under the heading of "Cleaning Up Your Path" |
| 23:20.54 | tensai | hmm. after second thought that example's confusing. basically set $EUID to the uid you want to be and carry on |
| 23:22.00 | tensai | $EUID is $> without use English |
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