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| 15:55.04 | neybar_work | only problem would be the voice. Festival doesn't have the most exciting voice to listen to. |
| 16:00.15 | hans | you should try the spanish voice. even worse. I tried to have it read me Don Quixote once... |
| 16:01.26 | bonez39 | what is festival? a text to voice program? |
| 16:02.34 | hans | yeah |
| 16:03.13 | hans | which I can't get to work right now for some reason. :( |
| 16:06.12 | hans | doh, something has locked the soundcard up. i hate that |
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| 16:19.21 | tensai | sjansen: sorry I missed the discussion about entity beans with serial primary keys. what did you come up with? |
| 16:22.58 | levi | 'entity beans' is such a silly name. |
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| 16:54.25 | HarleyPig | 'musical fruit' is much better |
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| 17:03.07 | Jayce^ | emcnabb: happy, test10 out today? |
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| 17:19.14 | emcnabb | Jayce^, yeah, it's fixed a couple of the problems I've been having |
| 17:19.27 | emcnabb | but there still are a few problems |
| 17:21.56 | Jayce^ | so fix 'em :) |
| 17:22.20 | Jayce^ | if anybody wants usb memory keys.. officemax has 32mb ones for $15, with $15 mail-in rebate |
| 17:38.58 | sjansen | Online or in-store? |
| 17:39.23 | sjansen | I thought I just caught myself enjoying J2EE programming. Then I realized it was just using Vim that I was enjoying. |
| 17:44.53 | Jayce^ | should be both |
| 17:45.41 | sjansen | So where's the nearest Office Max? |
| 17:47.44 | Classebram | Yeah, I want in on that |
| 17:52.48 | Tenebram | "Sorry, This product is currently unavailable." |
| 17:52.52 | Tenebram | from the website |
| 17:53.29 | Tenebram | that means I need to go out to an office max |
| 17:54.05 | brailsmt | those the kind that you can lock your computer with? meaning the computer won't work unless the right key is on the usb memory stick? |
| 17:54.18 | Tenebram | no, just memory |
| 17:55.56 | Bradipo | You know you work for a Unix company when some of the employees complain about blocking emails which contain: penis enlargement, viagra, horny, ejaculation, etc... |
| 17:56.41 | bonez39 | Bradipo: I swear..I get 100 of those damned penis enlargement ads every day |
| 17:57.08 | bonez39 | they keep changing who it's from...then they ch.p th. mes.age al. up li.e this...to avoid detection |
| 17:57.36 | Jayce^ | sjansen: next to the outback for you, or over the university av. overpass |
| 18:00.04 | Bradipo | Yeah, I have a regex that matches those. |
| 18:00.31 | Bradipo | I now match things like v.?i.?[a@].?g.?r.?[a@].? |
| 18:00.58 | Bradipo | That matches things like V!iagra and Vi@gr@ |
| 18:05.48 | hans | my bayesian filter isn't fazed |
| 18:05.52 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 18:31.19 | Hanuman | Bradipo: I work for a Windows company and we get those |
| 18:31.30 | Hanuman | SpamBayes filters them very nicely |
| 18:31.45 | Hanuman | At home SpamAssasin does a good job as well |
| 18:34.45 | Hanuman | Looks like the answer is no on posting DOS PAF to the web for now |
| 18:35.10 | Hanuman | Dallan asked twice and they are worried people will think the church is supporting it if it is posted anywhere on the web |
| 18:35.18 | hans | Hanuman: yup. shucks. I think I can find the disks back at my parent's though, for personal use. |
| 18:35.36 | Hanuman | I've got my own version as well - maybe we can just post the instructions on the web |
| 18:35.38 | hans | that's the problem with church software - the church is too helpful |
| 18:35.53 | hans | and if they can't maintain that standard of helpfulness, they don't release it. can't blame them of course |
| 18:36.03 | hans | but it does restrict what you can do. |
| 18:36.04 | Hanuman | I agree |
| 18:36.33 | Hanuman | I asked Dallan if the church would frown upon it or look the other way if I just happened to post my own personal version on the web for others to use |
| 18:37.41 | Hanuman | I'm waiting on an answer to that |
| 18:37.49 | Hanuman | (from Dallan) |
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| 18:41.49 | emcnabb | RyanE, the Vaio ACPI problem when you unplug has been fixed in test10 |
| 18:41.55 | RyanE | woo hoo! |
| 18:42.00 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:42.02 | RyanE | when did test10 come out? |
| 18:44.52 | Hanuman | RyanE: today, I believe |
| 18:44.57 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 18:45.47 | RyanE | thx. |
| 18:46.51 | RyanE | does anyone know why Gaim / Evolution have inordinately large fonts after upgrading to GTK2? and / or where to change them? |
| 19:01.25 | hans | if I see another picture of michael jackson... |
| 19:01.27 | hans | ~lart mj |
| 19:03.35 | brailsmt_work | i wanna be like mike... |
| 19:03.41 | brailsmt_work | oh, wait... wrong mike... |
| 19:03.43 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 19:21.37 | Tenebram | right click on playlist entry->remove->misc->physically delete files |
| 19:21.47 | Tenebram | or do you mean just a single button to do it? |
| 19:22.28 | hans | oh, cool. that's good enough |
| 19:22.54 | tomeast | has anyone used xine to play dvds on a tv? |
| 19:24.48 | Hanuman | tomeast: no, but have you ever played with mythtv? |
| 19:25.10 | tomeast | I'm hoping to build a mythtv box soon |
| 19:25.17 | tomeast | have you used it? |
| 19:25.18 | Hanuman | it's very cool |
| 19:25.28 | Hanuman | I use it on my Linux desktop |
| 19:25.50 | Hanuman | I've setup shortcuts that open mythtv with an ATI Remote Wonder, and control everything from that remote |
| 19:25.53 | tomeast | I have a tv capture card in the mail - as soon as that gets here I'm going to get started |
| 19:26.06 | tomeast | that would be very nice |
| 19:26.14 | Hanuman | It's fairly easy to setup from my experience - what distro are you using? |
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| 19:27.12 | emcnabb | Tenebram, thanks for telling about removing files from xmms |
| 19:27.16 | tomeast | from following the forums it sounds like red hat is used by the majority - I guess I'll install that for the path of least resistance |
| 19:27.19 | emcnabb | Tenebram, that's good to know |
| 19:27.46 | Hanuman | tomeast: that's what I'm using. There are some great howtos that work really well w/ RH |
| 19:28.28 | tomeast | Hanuman: good - I'll know who to come to when I can't get it working :) |
| 19:28.47 | Tenebram | I used to use that all the time when I used xmms |
| 19:29.00 | Tenebram | very useful |
| 19:29.16 | Tenebram | I'm using quark now though |
| 19:29.24 | Tenebram | I've been thinking about writing a quark client though |
| 19:29.33 | emcnabb | cool |
| 19:29.44 | sjansen | rhythmbox |
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| 19:31.02 | Tenebram | I haven't tried rhythmbox yet... |
| 19:31.06 | Tenebram | maybe I'll look into it |
| 19:31.15 | hans | Tenebram: now if it would just delete the files off my box at home while I'm listening to it over http stream. :-) (bad idea) |
| 19:32.14 | Tenebram | just write an http interface to delete arbitrary files off your HD... |
| 19:32.23 | hans | lol. great idea |
| 19:32.40 | hans | that would give a new meaning to denial of service |
| 19:33.28 | emcnabb | Tenebram, I'm going to clean up all my crap songs tonight |
| 19:33.38 | emcnabb | well, after I study for the cs465 test that is |
| 19:34.16 | Tenebram | or... WHILE you study? |
| 19:34.46 | Tenebram | Hey, gDesklets are pretty... |
| 19:35.25 | Hanuman | sjansen: is rhythmbox just a music library manager/jukebox-type program? |
| 19:37.14 | emcnabb | something I found about after I'd been using xmms for a long time was searching |
| 19:37.22 | emcnabb | with 'j' |
| 19:37.31 | emcnabb | I wish I had found that earlier |
| 19:39.04 | sjansen | Hanuman: It dreams of one day being like iTunes. |
| 19:39.22 | sjansen | Right now, yeah it's a pretty simple jukebox. |
| 19:40.24 | Tenebram | I've heard zinf is really nice as well, but I haven't tried it much. |
| 19:42.58 | Tenebram | I've never used iTunes, but a friend of mine loves it. |
| 19:47.09 | Hanuman | Tenebram: I hear iTunes is far from a decent jukebox program but rather just geared towards selling music. I'm looking for something similar in features to MusicMatch Jukebox on Windows (which they used to make for Linux btw) |
| 19:47.34 | Tenebram | I'm not familiar with MusicMatch Jukebox either |
| 19:47.42 | Tenebram | let's ask google... |
| 19:47.43 | Hanuman | iTunes on Windows has some serious memory leaks |
| 19:48.40 | hans | ogg |
| 19:48.52 | Tenebram | vorbis |
| 19:49.19 | Hanuman | from what I've seen vorbis doesn't give near as good quality at as good of compression as mp3pro, though |
| 19:49.31 | Hanuman | PC Mag has some good comparisons |
| 19:49.41 | Tenebram | Ogg's always been excellent for me |
| 19:51.00 | hans | i've never heard of mp3pro, which either means the people I hang out with don't think it's worth mentioning or it's way too restrictive (and hence they don't think it's worth mentioning) |
| 19:51.08 | hans | and those people are not audio dummies |
| 19:52.49 | hans | in all seriousness, if there is an improvement over ogg I don't think I would notice (at least until I have very very good speakers in a studio) |
| 19:54.38 | Classebram | time for philosophy... |
| 19:56.30 | Hanuman | hans: yes, that's the problem w/ mp3pro is that it's proprietary, but it is still a very well-written format |
| 19:56.42 | emcnabb | can you have a form within a form in html? |
| 19:56.49 | hans | doubt it, emcnabb |
| 19:56.56 | hans | Hanuman: as is ogg |
| 19:56.58 | emcnabb | hum |
| 19:57.00 | emcnabb | ok |
| 19:57.01 | Hanuman | well, since I can't see the source I whouldn't say well-written, but rather good quality |
| 19:57.11 | hans | I don't see what mp3pro could possibly have that makes it worth supporting a proprietary format. |
| 19:57.40 | Hanuman | PC Magazine did some tests comparing mp3pro and other formats with ogg as one of them and mp3pro came out on top in the tests I cared about |
| 19:58.42 | hans | you'll have to convince me first that pcmag is credible. good luck. |
| 19:59.49 | Hanuman | I've had great experience with it - very fast rip times (like 30 secs/song for a 96kbps mp3) |
| 20:00.01 | Hanuman | very small file size as well |
| 20:01.13 | Hanuman | Here's one of the pcmag comparisons: |
| 20:01.30 | Hanuman | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,953209,00.asp |
| 20:02.25 | Hanuman | Here's a good explanation of the mp3pro format: |
| 20:02.26 | Hanuman | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1191781,00.asp |
| 20:05.02 | hans | "The high-frequency portion of the signal (8 to 16 kHz) is not actually compressed in the file; instead it is replicated or reconstructed on the playback side." red flag. |
| 20:07.00 | hans | i know exactly what that means, and I know the problems with it as well. when you're working in the frequency domain like that over time you trade off aliasing for space. that's why they don't just do that for the whole spectral range |
| 20:07.42 | hans | you just can't hear it because frequencies that high (and especially the aliasing which happens at an even higher freq.) don't make it through most speakers |
| 20:08.10 | hans | so practically speaking, it's probably pretty good. |
| 20:10.08 | hans | i think it's a fairly good tactic, but you have to realize you're losing fidelity on those high frequencies. that sort of thing doesn't show up directly usually, but in a sense of loss that you can't put your finger on. |
| 20:10.41 | hans | heh, some people claim cd-quality audio (which captures all frequencies) is discernible from the real thing |
| 20:11.15 | hans | you obviously have to draw your personal line somewhere. for daily use, ogg or mp3 in any bitrate but real low ones is sufficient for me. So I choose to use ogg because it's free. |
| 20:11.32 | hans | </soapbox> |
| 20:13.51 | sjansen | Vim is the greatest editor. Fedora kicks Debians trash. Gentoo rocks. Friends don't let friends use proprietary software. A programmer needs Java like a fish needs a bicycle. |
| 20:14.16 | RyanE | and cd-quality bitrate "captures all frequencies" |
| 20:14.25 | brailsmt_work | seems childish to me... |
| 20:14.43 | brailsmt_work | if you kick my trash, you better pick it up before I kick you --- |
| 20:14.45 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 20:15.48 | hans | RyanE: expound? |
| 20:16.34 | RyanE | I will agree at CD-quality captures a good portion of frequencies, but *any* conversion from analog to digital cannot, by definition, capture ALL frequencies. |
| 20:16.37 | brailsmt_work | well, I prefer .wav... that mp3/ogg stuff, ugh, I just can't have lossy compression at all |
| 20:17.50 | hans | RyanE: yes, I should have said "all frequencies that humans can hear" |
| 20:18.02 | brailsmt_work | RyanE: i used to hear that argument way back when, but CD audio technology is sufficiently advanced that even most hardcore audiophiles cannot tell the difference between reel to reel and CD |
| 20:18.07 | hans | which is the distinction that probably means those people are right - you can sense those other frequencies in other ways than the ears |
| 20:18.19 | hans | but that's a stretch. :) |
| 20:18.29 | hans | brailsmt_work: what about flac? |
| 20:18.36 | RyanE | I was only picking very small nits, that you probably can't hear. |
| 20:18.39 | brailsmt_work | the big knock against CDs when the first came out was that you didn't get the ambience of an analog recording... |
| 20:18.48 | RyanE | ambiance === distortion |
| 20:19.01 | brailsmt_work | but that has been pretty thoroughly debunked |
| 20:20.10 | RyanE | I'm not arguing that vinyl is better than CD, but I'm open to the fact that different people hear with different abilities, and don't doubt that someone, somewhere can hear the difference. Of course, to prove it, it would have to be double-blind listening studies, which I doubt have ever been performed to any great satisfaction. |
| 20:20.12 | brailsmt_work | I grew up on Stereo Review |
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| 20:21.49 | RyanE | hehehe |
| 20:21.57 | Hanuman | now there's an open format for you |
| 20:22.08 | RyanE | might be cheaper than the high-end stuff in "Stereo Review" |
| 20:22.37 | brailsmt_work | when i want to hear good music, I throw my CDs onto my H/K cd player and listen through my Onkyo receiver and Yamaha speakers :) |
| 20:22.41 | Hanuman | or maybe I'll just pull out my trumpet and start playing |
| 20:22.56 | Hanuman | have my wife play her piano |
| 20:23.05 | Hanuman | or my brother play his drums or the guitar |
| 20:24.06 | brailsmt_work | which i don't, so I will keep drooling over those carver amps... |
| 20:24.12 | brailsmt_work | :D |
| 20:25.31 | Hanuman | just hire an orchestra - it costs about the same |
| 20:25.53 | RyanE | but you can't really listen to them in your underwear. |
| 20:26.00 | brailsmt_work | why not? |
| 20:26.01 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 20:26.18 | Hanuman | hey - if you pay the money you can listen to them in whatever you want |
| 20:26.20 | brailsmt_work | if you have the money to afford an orchestra, you can afford to be eccentric |
| 20:26.31 | brailsmt_work | :D |
| 20:26.39 | RyanE | but then I'd have to hear their snickering, which is distortion I don't care for |
| 20:26.52 | brailsmt_work | and i bet you couldn't keep the orcehstra 24/7 for the next 15 years for 20k |
| 20:27.05 | Hanuman | Oh - if I pay the money they won't be snickering |
| 20:27.17 | brailsmt_work | but that sunfire amp would still be playing just fine |
| 20:27.23 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 20:28.08 | Hanuman | keep in mind that the $20k or so you paid for it is for proprietary hardware |
| 20:28.19 | Hanuman | better build your own amp and speakers |
| 20:28.32 | RyanE | you have a good source for open hardware amp? |
| 20:28.46 | brailsmt_work | show me a decent free alternative to a craver sunfire amp, and I will show you my Mars estate |
| 20:29.37 | brailsmt_work | btw, sunfires use vacuum tubues ;) |
| 20:30.02 | brailsmt_work | tubes, even... |
| 20:30.18 | RyanE | but only when they run out of tubues |
| 20:30.39 | brailsmt_work | lol, yeah, that is what i meant |
| 20:31.48 | brailsmt_work | i am going to need a big yard and sound proof fencing when I grow up ;) |
| 20:32.04 | brailsmt_work | otherwise the neighbors will hate me |
| 20:32.16 | brailsmt_work | i figure 3-5 acres ought to be enough :D |
| 20:34.11 | brailsmt_work | since it costs close to $100K |
| 20:35.22 | brailsmt_work | well, that is high... though the sunfire amps were at $35k last I checked... |
| 20:37.49 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: have you seen the pioneer projection speaker? |
| 20:38.11 | Hanuman | It's one speaker that projects 5.1 channel surround sound |
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| 20:44.37 | Bradipo | Anyone here using CRM114? |
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| 21:09.39 | sjansen | Who would have thunk I'd be proud of accomplishing the equivalent of SELECT * FROM course WHERE UPPER(course_number) LIKE UPPER(%s) |
| 21:10.22 | hans | sjansen: congratulations, I think. |
| 21:11.19 | sjansen | EJBs are just too complicated. I'm not sure transaction management is worth the overhead, learning curve, and poor feature set. |
| 21:11.52 | emcnabb | sjansen, amen |
| 21:18.33 | Hanuman | EJBs? - Equity Join (something)? |
| 21:18.45 | Hanuman | s/Equity/Equi-/ |
| 21:19.35 | byron | EJB - Entirely Junky Beans |
| 21:20.09 | Hanuman | ah |
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| 21:41.45 | bonez39 | Compile/make question: I have a pentium II 266 MHz...I am making a new 2.4.22 kernel..I ran make-kpkg starting it early this morning..and it's still grinding away...should it take this long? it's now 2:30 pm... |
| 21:43.56 | Bradipo | Anyone here ever use CRM114? |
| 21:44.27 | byron | bonez39: I'm using a PII 266 and my kernel builds usually take about an hour |
| 21:44.45 | byron | bonez39: of course that is a very stripped down kernel build |
| 21:48.45 | bonez39 | byron: this included the IDE stuff..and some networking built in to the kernel, not created as modules... |
| 21:49.08 | bonez39 | byron: I mean, this kernel will be huge if it keeps going like this.. |
| 21:50.04 | bonez39 | I have one process running which I believe it killing my performance, it's a visualization plugin from xmms..and I could not kill it...so it sits there and takes up my cpu cycles... |
| 21:50.10 | bonez39 | maybe that's what's making this make run so slowly |
| 21:50.19 | bonez39 | byron: what sort of work do you do? |
| 21:51.09 | byron | bonez39: on that machine? |
| 21:53.38 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. there been power outages over in utah today? |
| 21:54.49 | RyanE | not in Highland. |
| 21:55.06 | byron | Not in Provo (well, not at BYU) |
| 21:55.06 | Jayce^ | hrmm. can't connect to my box at home.. |
| 21:55.56 | RyanE | time to call home |
| 21:58.22 | Jayce^ | problem is, we're in philidelphia right now :( |
| 22:00.23 | byron | udp port 68 is dhcp, right? |
| 22:00.34 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap byron |
| 22:00.47 | | ACTION slaps byron upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:00.57 | emcnabb | dang |
| 22:00.57 | emcnabb | ibot isn't around |
| 22:00.59 | | emcnabb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:00.59 | emcnabb | ah |
| 22:00.59 | emcnabb | that's better |
| 22:01.17 | emcnabb | I actually do need to study |
| 22:01.24 | emcnabb | thanks for reminding me ibot |
| 22:03.17 | byron | bonez39: the hour compile time includes IDE, networking, almost all of iptables, usb, scsi modules, etc... |
| 22:03.26 | byron | bonez39: it really shouldn't be taking that long |
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| 23:04.50 | bonez39 | byron? can a compile get stuck, and appear to be doing somethign useful when it really is not? |
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| 23:05.29 | bonez39 | I hate to interrupt it....and fowl it up... |
| 23:17.06 | byron | bonez39: if you interrupt and then issue another 'make bzImage' or whatever target you are using it will just continue from where the compile is currently |
| 23:22.36 | bonez39 | just CTRL-C to interrupt it? |
| 23:25.01 | tensai | bonez39: yes |
| 23:25.38 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 23:25.51 | bonez39 | I am goign to reboot, and then come back..hopefully this will run better.. |
| 23:26.21 | bonez39 | just as a matter of reference..right now the make command I used is : make-kpkg --initrd --revision win4lin01 --append_to_version win4lin01 --config menuconfig kernel-image |
| 23:26.51 | bonez39 | so when I reboot and go back to complete it, what would I issue? make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 23:26.56 | bonez39 | tensai: is that correct? |
| 23:28.34 | bonez39 | back soon |
| 23:31.57 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (~sanchiro@64.122.114.148) |
| 23:33.33 | bonez39 | tensai: still around? do I just issue the same command? the whole thing or just make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 23:41.23 | tensai | bonez39: same command |
| 23:43.03 | bonez39 | ok...it's running, not sure how long this will go this time though |