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00:22.53hansJayce^: any eye correction? I have a hard time with my glasses or contacts, but take them off and it's much easier
00:27.06sjansen(as long as he doesn't expect the same from us ;-)
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01:06.39hansbonez39: did you ever get that palm usb stuff working?
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01:35.31emcnabbI have mod points! (let me know if anyone here wants to be modded up)
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05:11.51g0ing2does anyone here use bittorrent? How did you set it up? Compiled from source? Because their www site doesn't seem to have any redhat rpms
05:12.48torriemI've found rpms before.  But there's actually nothing to compile.  It's all python, I think.
05:12.49TenebramI compiled from source.
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05:12.56Tenebramerr...
05:13.01Tenebramno I didn't, it's python.
05:13.07TenebramWhat am I talking about?
05:13.12torriem:)
05:13.28g0ing2heh, its late ....
05:13.30torriemI think you can just  download it and untar it somewhere an  run it.  I recall I had some problems with my python install at first
05:14.44g0ing2I found a "mandrake" rpm but if it is just python, then that will probably work. I'm going to give it a try
05:14.56torriemOk
05:15.57g0ing2python-base >= 2.3 is needed by bittorrent-3.3-3mdk
05:16.01g0ing2figures!!
05:16.28torriemJust download the official tarball
05:17.20g0ing2yep, that is "plan B"
05:18.36torriemAny of you heard of WhiteHat Linux?  Check it out http://www.whitehatlinux.org.  For those that want to stick with RHEL but don't want support.
05:19.13g0ing2There was some talk about it on the SLLUG mailing list recently. It sounded good.
05:19.42g0ing2ls -l
05:19.43torriemYeah I think so too.  I'll be evaluating it for use on my servers, although I'm going to keep redhat 7.3 running as long as I can.
05:19.49torriem:)
05:19.57g0ing2ooops, that was supposed to go to my terminal
05:20.16torriemgood thing that wasn't a password!  I accidentally sent my root password to Evan McNabb once.
05:20.29torriemThere is wisdom to the old unix-style window focus.
05:20.37g0ing2I never had that problem back in the DOS days.
05:21.49torriemyup.  You could switch to virtual terminals only.  Ctrl-Alt-F1 for irc, F2 for work, etc.
05:23.38g0ing2Somewhere (slashdot probably) I read about someone who had this intensive virtual terminal set up for all his work. He claimed it was much faster than a windowed environment. (At least, after you got used to it I'm sure.)
05:24.09g0ing2He would just ssh into it from whereever he was.
05:24.20torriemMy friend used to do this with a special shell (Text mode) for os/2.
05:24.37torriemScreen can also be nice.  I need to start using it so I can ssh in, do stuff, disconnect, and then reconnect.
05:25.27Tenebramscreen is very nice
05:25.30TenebramI just started using it
05:25.40g0ing2The customization options of Linux are endless. Usually about the time everything is tweaked just right, I decide it is time to upgrade or switch distros or something
05:26.00g0ing2It kills me, but I love it.
05:27.09torriemhttp://freshmeat.net/articles/view/581/ -- the antidesktop
05:28.00torriemPersonally I find it amusing to see people on large monitors maximize their browser windows.
05:28.29TenebramI want a monitor big enough that I don't maximize my windows.
05:28.35TenebramAnd they have one, and they waste it!
05:28.42torriemexactly.  
05:28.51g0ing2dual headed is the only way to go
05:28.55torriemAmen.
05:29.07torriemFeel blinded in one eye when I use my home machine now.
05:29.09TenebramI need to grab another vid card and monitor when I visit home next.
05:29.46torriemPersonally I want to try to set up a dual-headed, dual-input system with 2 keyboards, mice and monitors.  Completely separate X sessions.
05:30.13torriemI know it can be done; I've seen it done before.  Imagine what such a thing could do for a place like the library with lots of terminals.
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05:45.33g0ing2I thought I had bittorrent working but I'm not sure. I ran btdownloadheadless.py and sent in a .torrent file that I had saved off of a www site and now it seems to be stuck on "connecting to peers"
05:46.02g0ing2Is it that the file has possibly been removed?
05:46.14g0ing2Maybe a firewall issue?
05:46.18g0ing2Any ideas?
05:46.38TenebramI've had it stuck there before.
05:46.49TenebramI just left it running, and evetualy it connected and all was well.
05:47.06g0ing2hmmmm, did I mention I was on dialup?
05:47.38torriembittorrent isn't designed for dialup.  It's extremely slow-starting sometimes.
05:49.01g0ing2It is a smallish (19 meg) file that I am trying to bring down, but I guess it still has some initial overhead that it has to take care of.
05:49.48torriemPossibly
05:50.29g0ing2well, I give it a few more minutes then maybe I'll try again with a different .torrent
05:54.50g0ing2thanks everyone...bye
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15:36.55bonez39hans: yeah, I finally got my palm working..I synch it all the time now....I think a pin on my cradle was bent, plus just took some hacking to work it through.
15:41.52emcnabbhans, you around?
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19:09.17spr5Anyone who went to the byu-uug meeting this past week have the url for the fingerprint file?
19:13.25sjansen_http://www.lunkwill.org/tmp/gpg/
19:14.52spr5thanks
20:06.09emcnabbhans, you around?
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20:26.24sjansen_Come on! Big money, no whammies!
20:30.59emcnabbsjansen_, stop your mumbling
20:31.47sjansenStupid J2EE. Stupid JBoss.
20:32.31sjansenWhen did it become 1:30? It was 9:30 just a few minutes ago.
20:32.37sjansenStupid Java.
20:37.23spr5On an interesting aside, the student health center is closed on fridays
20:38.56sjansenMy roommate was there yesterday.
20:41.29spr5sorry. I meant saturdays.  Not thinking too straight right now
20:41.59emcnabbspr5, if it's an emergency though you can go to the Utah Valley Regional Medical Center
20:42.15spr5wee.
20:42.32spr5Well I guess I'll hobble off to my car... :(
20:43.39spr5later
20:44.32emcnabbspr5, later
20:46.06hansi'm here now, emcnabb
20:47.51emcnabbok
20:48.04emcnabbI was just wondering if you could regenerate the web
20:48.19emcnabbalso, is there a way to cut off comments from the diagram?
20:48.28emcnabbJason's is just too big
20:48.50hans:)
20:48.52hanslemme see
20:52.07sjansenAfter hours of blood, sweat, tears, and nasty thoughts--I've got working entity beans!
20:54.08hanshow's that?
20:55.41emcnabbhans, much better!
20:55.43emcnabbthanks
20:55.55emcnabbhans, another request
20:56.10emcnabbcan you make the title "PGP/GPG web of trust"
20:56.14emcnabbsomethign like that
20:57.35hansof the web page you mean?
20:58.06emcnabbyeah
20:58.12emcnabbdo you think that's good?
20:58.24hanshow's that?
20:58.27emcnabbgood
21:01.05sjansenYou also need some kind of link to it from the main pages.
21:01.13emcnabbyeah
21:01.22emcnabbI've talked to Michael G. about that
21:02.12sjansenPlus some kind of key for the colors.
21:02.20emcnabbthat would be cool too
21:02.34sjansenWhat does it mean that I'm purple? Should I be jealous? Upset? Proud?
21:02.36emcnabband instructions on how it is generated
21:02.43emcnabbyou're a pansy!
21:02.48emcnabblittle purple pansy!
21:02.54emcnabbtouched with yellow gold!
21:03.56sjansenLooks who's talking. Bet you forced hans to make you my color.
21:04.16emcnabbsjansen, never!
21:18.39hansglory be, they fixed the fonts on oo
21:18.49emcnabbin 1.1?
21:18.56emcnabbits a lot better
21:19.02hansyeah
21:19.39hansthe colors reflect how many signatures you have on your key, and how many others' keys you've signed
21:20.01emcnabbgotcha
21:20.05emcnabbthat is really cool
21:20.11hansbrightness indicates number of sigs
21:20.16emcnabbwe should maybe have that explaination on the webpage
21:20.30hansyeah, but then I'd have to figure out exactly what it is. :)
21:20.31emcnabbthe stats thing is cool
21:20.33emcnabbhaha
21:20.45hansi.e. look at the source. maybe I will soon
21:21.06emcnabbI still don't know what the program is called yet ;-)
21:21.49hanssig2dot
21:22.12hanshttp://uug.byu.edu/web_of_trust/sig2dot
21:22.19hansthere's the (now slightly modified) script
21:22.50emcnabbvery cool
21:43.35sjansentensai: What's the easiest data type to map to postgresql's time without time zone?
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22:22.01tensaisjansen: java.sql.Timestamp
22:40.38sjansentensai: Any tips on how to use create entity beans with a serial primary key?
23:25.29k9good news everyone, Mandrake 9.2 is not as spammed up as Micheal made us all think
23:25.47emcnabbit's still mandrake
23:26.25jakeamaybe I'll try another distro next time around
23:26.37jakeaAndrew is raving to me about Fedora
23:27.41spr5mandrake 9.2 has been treating me fairly well the past couple days.
23:30.40sjansenjakea: Untie Jake and let him use his own computer, whoever you are.
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23:37.35jakeaokay... red hat had the cool screen savers, is there Mandrake package equal to that?
23:38.43spr5in the kdeartwork package, or xscreensavers packages.
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23:39.30jakeaheh, just found it:  http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/
23:39.51jakeathanks spr5
23:40.16spr5jakea, you can always just "# urpmi screensavers"
23:40.51spr5if you've got your sources setup right at least
23:41.04jakeaya, I set up my sources via xmission
23:41.13jakeagetting all the updates as we speak
23:41.37spr5nice.  By chance are you getting an error message with the contrib's?
23:41.47jakeaya, I did
23:42.01jakeasays it's an invalid file
23:42.11jakeaand that the mirror is probably not up to date
23:42.30spr5I've been browsing around, tried a couple different mirrors, no good
23:42.43jakeasame error at all of them?
23:43.13spr5yeah.  I asked on #mandrake last night, and they had no idea how to fix, they're getting the same problems.
23:43.31jakeawell, at least they know
23:43.47spr5yep, i figure it'll be fixed soon.
23:43.54jakeayou like the new way urpmi downloads... installs.... downloads... installs...
23:44.04jakeaby rpm deps it looks like
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23:44.44spr5It's interesting.
23:45.27jakeaI think it's a good thing if you have a BIG list of rpms
23:45.33jakeasuchs as the updates now
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23:47.27spr5true.
23:48.14jakea43... 44... yeesh
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23:50.34jakeaspr5:  is that error leading to any other problems that you've seen?
23:51.30spr5jakea:  Well, some rpm deps aren't availible due to the lack of contrib.  Gave me an annoying time trying to install gaim0.72
23:54.40spr5jakea: "urpmi --excludemedia contrib" takes away the error message at least :)
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