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| 00:17.20 | jsmith | splits suck |
| 00:17.31 | Tenebram | yeah... stupid splits. |
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| 01:40.00 | brailsmt_ | wow, looks like the past few hours have been exciting... |
| 01:40.07 | Tenebram | oh yeah! |
| 01:41.06 | jakea | non stop action |
| 01:41.31 | torriem | Hmm. You all should have read the flames flying around the BYU CSR list today. |
| 01:42.00 | Tenebram | CSR list? |
| 01:42.10 | jakea | I enjoyed reading the CSR newsgroup when it was still publically accessable |
| 01:42.15 | torriem | Sysadmin mailing list for on-campus people |
| 01:42.33 | Tenebram | ahh |
| 01:42.34 | torriem | Basically OIT opened up RPC over HTTP on their exchange servers |
| 01:42.47 | jakea | what kinda flames? You can't just say that without giving us non-admins some more. |
| 01:42.53 | torriem | (because they had to firewall off the normal rpc port 135 for obvious reasons) |
| 01:43.18 | torriem | Basically, I started it by mentioning that RPC over HTTP is not only inherently a bad idea, but is very dangerous. |
| 01:43.28 | torriem | Accidentally stepped on a few sensitive toes |
| 01:43.45 | torriem | Kind of the OIT-bashing stuff |
| 01:44.00 | torriem | Then someone turned it into a Linux vs MS thing, and it started to get a little heated. |
| 01:44.11 | torriem | That's about all there was too it, although there were a lot of bruised egos. |
| 01:44.47 | jakea | http://www.xmlrpc.com/ <---- ya, this does look like a bad idea |
| 01:45.00 | torriem | amen brother |
| 01:45.02 | jakea | so basically over a web page I can reboot your computer? |
| 01:45.11 | torriem | Or root it :) |
| 01:45.42 | jakea | <---- trying to understand... |
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| 01:45.51 | torriem | Oh I see. |
| 01:45.53 | jakea | so... what is the diff between that and webmin |
| 01:45.54 | brailsmt_ | so we should feel safe about OIT managing computer resources on campus for what reason? |
| 01:46.06 | jakea | https? |
| 01:46.22 | brailsmt_ | you need a password for webmin... |
| 01:46.22 | torriem | jakea: webmin can be dangerous but it's never exported to the world. |
| 01:46.37 | torriem | rpc runs as root, and now you have it on a port that can never be firewalled. |
| 01:47.14 | jakea | Stupid... yet I'm not surprised |
| 01:47.19 | torriem | Serves it's place, but I'm still feeling burned from the old Sun RPC exploits that caused me so much grief in the REdHat 6.2 days before personal firewalling was common (and we ran too many services) |
| 01:47.41 | torriem | VPN is the only secure way to allow this kind of RPC to be safely exported to the world. |
| 01:47.57 | torriem | OIT knows that and will be implementing such a system eventually. Time and money, you know. |
| 01:48.13 | jakea | I remember back when I figured out that I could use the BYU Proxy Server from anywhere off campus |
| 01:48.20 | torriem | :) |
| 01:48.24 | torriem | Not anymore, I hope |
| 01:48.28 | jakea | no |
| 01:48.32 | jakea | they plugged that hole |
| 01:48.59 | jakea | but not before they installed some of the IP phones and I was able to find out I could crash IP phones from off campus |
| 01:49.18 | jakea | they plugged that IP phone hole since then too |
| 01:49.38 | torriem | Ahh yes. They do learn slowly in the school of hard knocks. They are a huge organization, but eventually things come out ok sometimes. |
| 01:49.40 | torriem | nice |
| 01:50.12 | jakea | never the less, one mad employee could have wrote a script and taken down the phone system on campus |
| 01:50.32 | torriem | Very true. But we all know that BYU is a celestial place and nothing like that could ever happen. |
| 01:50.49 | jakea | I let OIT know this too, that's when all of a sudden I got a prompt reply from them |
| 01:51.10 | jakea | vs all the other times when it took months to get any sort of REAL answer |
| 01:51.18 | jakea | and even then it was half baked |
| 01:51.27 | torriem | Yup |
| 01:51.46 | jakea | like when I wanted to samba mount campas machines from Wyview and found port 139 blocked |
| 01:51.53 | torriem | I'm sometimes amazed that large networks such as byu's haven't been totally compromised by now |
| 01:52.25 | jakea | the best compromises would be the ones you don't know about I would think |
| 01:52.34 | torriem | Of course there are those viruses that hit us pretty hard. Many machines I'm sure (clients) are still rooted. |
| 01:53.04 | jakea | ya, when things like red worm hit, log files were fun to read |
| 01:53.25 | jakea | and learn which departments had been infected |
| 01:53.34 | jakea | and then hug your linux machines |
| 01:54.16 | Tenebram | I hug my linux machine daily anyway. |
| 01:56.36 | torriem | You poor people. |
| 01:56.38 | torriem | :) |
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| 01:57.58 | uugDave | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 01:58.01 | | ACTION slaps emcnabb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 01:58.55 | Tenebram | Wow, that was bizarre. |
| 01:59.07 | hans | ~dance |
| 01:59.09 | | ACTION becomes steve ballmer |
| 01:59.21 | hans | lol. no, that's bizzare |
| 02:18.43 | uugDave | ~dance, ibot, dance. |
| 02:19.15 | uugDave | ~hans |
| 02:19.16 | | i heard hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 02:19.32 | uugDave | ~phpldapadmin |
| 02:19.34 | | from memory, phpldapadmin is phpLdapAdmin, phpLDAPAdmin,PhpLDAPAadmin. at http://phpldapadmin.sf.net, or now in Gentoo. now in Gentoo. |
| 02:19.56 | uugDave | ~ibot, phpldapadmin is also in the top 100 projects at SourceForge. |
| 02:19.58 | | okay, uugDave |
| 02:26.59 | jakea | hmmmm |
| 02:27.02 | jakea | ~jakea |
| 02:43.07 | uugDave | ~ibot, jakea is a big shot MyUserGroup developer. |
| 02:43.08 | | okay, uugDave |
| 02:43.28 | uugDave | ~ibot, jakea is also a whiz-kid physicist and astronomist. |
| 02:43.29 | | uugDave: okay |
| 02:43.32 | uugDave | ~jakea |
| 02:43.33 | | methinks jakea is a big shot MyUserGroup developer. a whiz-kid physicist and astronomist. |
| 02:43.57 | uugDave | ~phpldapadmin |
| 02:43.58 | | i heard phpldapadmin is phpLdapAdmin, phpLDAPAdmin,PhpLDAPAadmin. at http://phpldapadmin.sf.net, or now in Gentoo. now in Gentoo. in the top 100 projects at SourceForge. |
| 02:44.06 | uugDave | ~ibot you seem to have a bug parsing these "is also" statements. |
| 02:46.44 | uugDave | All right, this is embarrassing. I just had a conversation with the ibot, which now fills my whole chat window. Sheesh, enough of this. |
| 02:46.53 | torriem | :) |
| 02:47.04 | uugDave | Torrie, checked out PLA 0.9.2 yet? |
| 02:47.07 | torriem | Keeps things interesting, anyway |
| 02:47.14 | torriem | Not yet. Been meaning too. |
| 03:23.02 | uugDave | ~torriem |
| 03:23.04 | | somebody said torriem was a super-cool uber-geek |
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| 03:40.39 | RyanE | Anyone ever seen vi segfault on large files? |
| 03:42.15 | RyanE | and medium? |
| 03:50.20 | torriem | I've not. |
| 03:50.46 | torriem | If you were really anxious to see why it is crashing, compile it with debugging, turn on core dumps and then use gdb to do a post-mortem |
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| 04:23.14 | |NV|S | Hello Peeps |
| 04:23.57 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 04:24.30 | |NV|S | Good meeting tonight....my Users group in sand Diego was alrawys pretty dead |
| 04:24.49 | Jayce^ | oh, sllug tonight right? |
| 04:24.55 | |NV|S | right |
| 04:24.57 | Jayce^ | wanted to go, but had family stuff |
| 04:25.16 | |NV|S | Pretty good meeting, and there was a lot of people there |
| 04:25.17 | Jayce^ | should come to a plug meeting :) |
| 04:25.20 | Jayce^ | how many? |
| 04:25.28 | |NV|S | 40 or so |
| 04:25.36 | emcnabb | or the UUG meeting tomorrow night |
| 04:25.38 | |NV|S | PLUG? |
| 04:25.41 | Jayce^ | nice turnout |
| 04:25.46 | Jayce^ | provo linux users group.. |
| 04:25.49 | |NV|S | ahh |
| 04:25.51 | emcnabb | http://uug.byu.edu/events.php?id=107 |
| 04:25.52 | Jayce^ | "the other valley" :) |
| 04:25.57 | emcnabb | BYU UUG that is |
| 04:26.10 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, man, I'd like to go tomorrow to yours, but probably won't be able too :( |
| 04:26.16 | Jayce^ | you going to stream it again? |
| 04:26.19 | emcnabb | no prob :-( |
| 04:26.25 | emcnabb | we should |
| 04:26.25 | |NV|S | why do they call it happy valley? |
| 04:26.27 | emcnabb | that was fun |
| 04:26.41 | Jayce^ | 'cause we're so happy to be here ... lol |
| 04:27.14 | |NV|S | oh lol |
| 04:27.20 | emcnabb | man, firewire runs so much better on my laptop than USB (with my external hard drive that is) |
| 04:27.24 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, any way we can get some of that streaming equipment reserved for plug meetings? we'll have access to bandwidth, etc, and the new locations.. |
| 04:27.46 | |NV|S | I remember driving up here from San Diego and seeing a billboard talking about plural marriage...i almost ran off the road |
| 04:27.54 | emcnabb | we just streamed it with a laptop and microphone |
| 04:28.09 | emcnabb | |NV|S, I've seen that one |
| 04:28.15 | |NV|S | lol |
| 04:28.21 | Jayce^ | cool, well whoever has theirs setup for that (and has a decent mike) is required to be at plug :) |
| 04:28.27 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:28.54 | |NV|S | I talked my girlfriend into moving up here...she saw that and was like "what did you get me into?" |
| 04:29.33 | Jayce^ | |NV|S, you tell her that was the reason for coming up? :) |
| 04:29.41 | Jayce^ | |NV|S, you move up for a job? |
| 04:29.56 | |NV|S | no |
| 04:30.04 | |NV|S | we moved to get away from the roving blackouts |
| 04:30.16 | |NV|S | she moved back last year |
| 04:30.30 | |NV|S | i went with her....but I decided to come back |
| 04:30.49 | |NV|S | shes staying there, and Im staying here till im done with school |
| 04:30.58 | |NV|S | Im going to ITT |
| 04:31.11 | Jayce^ | interesting.. |
| 04:31.32 | |NV|S | lol |
| 04:31.45 | |NV|S | I like it here |
| 04:31.52 | |NV|S | Its really quiet |
| 04:32.03 | Jayce^ | bought a house right before I got a new job that would let me move.. :/ |
| 04:32.17 | Jayce^ | I like quiet, but I also like trees |
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| 04:32.28 | Jayce^ | not scrub brush |
| 04:35.14 | |NV|S | well |
| 04:35.26 | |NV|S | our house in San Diego almost burned to the ground |
| 04:35.53 | |NV|S | We were evacuated, but we got lucky |
| 04:36.08 | |NV|S | after that I said screw it. im moving back to utah |
| 04:37.21 | hans | Jayce^: we just used the built-in mic on Andrew McNabb's computer |
| 04:37.35 | hans | I can help you set up your laptop to stream if you want. |
| 04:37.59 | Jayce^ | no, mine wouldnt' be good for that.. |
| 04:38.05 | Jayce^ | mine's a POS |
| 04:38.23 | hans | so's andrew's, imho |
| 04:38.31 | Jayce^ | probably better than mine.. |
| 04:38.46 | hans | but the mic picked up really well. other may vary, but mics are only $10 |
| 04:40.04 | Jayce^ | the times we use the 'really nice' conference room, they have one of those large boards, that is a display, and touch screen, and you can use special pens to draw on it :) |
| 04:40.18 | Jayce^ | it's a little larger than what we've been in.. |
| 04:40.31 | Jayce^ | but then they have an even bigger room, but not as many ammenities.. |
| 04:41.15 | Jayce^ | but now more people can come, and not sit on the floor, etc.. |
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| 05:46.46 | Mecworks | My ultimate monitor: http://www.go-l.com/monitors/grand_canyon/features/index.htm |
| 05:47.12 | Mecworks | $8499.99 - 17499.99 |
| 05:47.41 | Mecworks | 6400x1200 pixels |
| 05:47.50 | Mecworks | 4 LCD panels wide. |
| 05:59.13 | Jayce^ | I've seen a similar one, but it's two panels high also |
| 06:23.05 | Mecworks | nice. |
| 06:23.13 | Mecworks | I need t ofind a sponsor. |
| 06:23.15 | zzzirk | man, that'd be nice to have |
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| 07:04.59 | emcnabb | Mecworks, that is a smooth monitor |
| 07:05.03 | emcnabb | night all |
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| 16:24.06 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:24.14 | Hanuman | SCO: ^sue |
| 16:24.21 | Hanuman | hmm... |
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| 16:26.23 | Jayce^ | 'lo bbeattie |
| 16:26.51 | Hanuman | test |
| 16:27.55 | Jayce^ | test back |
| 16:27.56 | Hanuman | test again |
| 16:28.47 | Jayce^ | nope. he's not working |
| 16:28.54 | Hanuman | ^testing 123 |
| 16:29.35 | Hanuman | ^testing 456 |
| 16:29.41 | Hanuman | comon SCO - work! |
| 16:32.08 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:32.17 | Hanuman | ^sue myself |
| 16:32.49 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:34.29 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:34.38 | Hanuman | ^sue levi |
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| 16:35.36 | Hanuman | ^sue utah |
| 16:35.41 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:35.51 | Hanuman | hmm - haven't gotten that one yet |
| 16:36.29 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:36.46 | Hanuman | ^sue everyone |
| 16:39.14 | Hanuman | forgive me for a sec while I get the final bugs out of this... |
| 16:39.25 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:40.07 | utah | testing 123 |
| 16:40.33 | Hanuman | ^sue hanuman |
| 16:41.26 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:42.11 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:42.13 | Hanuman | ^sue! |
| 16:42.20 | Hanuman | ^sue me |
| 16:44.40 | Hanuman | \s* is 0 or more spaces, right? |
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| 16:45.46 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:45.50 | Hanuman | cool |
| 16:45.52 | Hanuman | ^sue emcnabb |
| 16:45.57 | Hanuman | ack! |
| 16:46.46 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:46.54 | Hanuman | okay - that solves that theory |
| 16:47.44 | emcnabb | ~lart Hanuman |
| 16:47.56 | Hanuman | ^sue emcnabb |
| 16:48.30 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 16:52.38 | Hanuman | let's try this |
| 16:52.41 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:52.45 | Hanuman | ^sue emcnabb |
| 16:53.13 | Hanuman | doh - forgot to take out the ! |
| 16:53.25 | Hanuman | ^sue emcnabb |
| 16:53.31 | Hanuman | there we go |
| 16:53.33 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 16:53.52 | Hanuman | next step - create random phrases to sue for |
| 16:54.07 | zzzirk | what 'bot do you guys use? |
| 16:54.28 | Hanuman | scobot |
| 16:54.32 | Hanuman | I just wrote it |
| 16:54.38 | zzzirk | from scratch? |
| 16:54.46 | zzzirk | or is it eggdrop or something like that? |
| 16:54.56 | Hanuman | it's an irssi script |
| 16:55.09 | zzzirk | ah |
| 16:55.15 | zzzirk | okay, that's what I wondered |
| 16:56.04 | zzzirk | heh |
| 16:56.08 | Jayce^ | ibot is a blootbot |
| 16:56.09 | | Jayce^: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:56.14 | Jayce^ | ~ibot |
| 16:56.16 | | i guess ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend |
| 16:56.46 | zzzirk | cool, thanks for the info |
| 16:56.50 | Hanuman | ibot, ibot is also Enemy of SCOBot |
| 16:56.52 | | Hanuman: okay |
| 16:56.55 | zzzirk | I've used eggdrop before, but never really used anything else |
| 16:56.57 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 16:57.12 | Hanuman | ~ibot |
| 16:57.13 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 17:03.37 | Bradipo | What is SCOBot? |
| 17:05.09 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 17:05.13 | zzzirk | ~sue Bradipo |
| 17:05.16 | zzzirk | oops |
| 17:05.19 | zzzirk | ^sue Bradipo |
| 17:05.23 | zzzirk | hehe |
| 17:05.30 | Bradipo | What Windows licenses? |
| 17:05.39 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 17:15.55 | hans | ok, byu's news server doesn't get the all the news. if I were to run my own news server what would I connect to, and could I get all the news? (or do I have to settle for google news?) |
| 17:16.17 | hans | or is there another news server that I can connect to? |
| 17:17.13 | Hanuman | I think yahoo does rss feeds |
| 17:17.27 | hans | rss? what good will rss do? |
| 17:17.39 | hans | news == NNTP |
| 17:17.52 | hans | usenet |
| 17:17.53 | Hanuman | ah - okay |
| 17:18.12 | Hanuman | I thought you were looking for something to put on a website |
| 17:18.12 | Jayce^ | heh.. just looking at some nntp stuff right now too.. |
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| 17:18.50 | Jayce^ | perl.org's lists use ezmlm, but they've build a tool that is a bridge between the lists, and nntp, and are now doing a web interface, as well as building rss |
| 17:22.27 | tensai | there's an article in this month's LJ about mailing list to forum bridges |
| 17:24.41 | Jayce^ | link? |
| 17:25.46 | Jayce^ | wait, I have this months.. |
| 17:26.55 | Jayce^ | but I'm not seeing it |
| 17:29.53 | Hanuman | Wonder if SCO can sue me for my SCOBot |
| 17:30.00 | Hanuman | ^sue SCO |
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| 17:52.42 | hans | ibot, go wiggy |
| 17:52.43 | | hans: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:52.57 | Wiggy-Classing | Go go Gadget Wiggy |
| 17:54.38 | Jayce^ | getting wiggy with it.. |
| 17:54.39 | Hanuman | ^sue wiggy |
| 17:55.20 | Hanuman | !a wiggy |
| 17:55.32 | levi | Wiggity wiggity wack |
| 17:55.47 | Jayce^ | so he' wiggin out of here? :) |
| 17:56.05 | Hanuman | wiggy wiggy bobiggy bananafanna fofiggy... |
| 17:56.15 | Wiggy-Classing | Me me mo-miggy |
| 17:56.16 | Wiggy-Classing | Wiggy |
| 17:56.31 | tensai | Jayce^: "Integrating E-mail", At the Forge, Reuven M. Lerner |
| 17:56.41 | tensai | dunno the page number. my magazine's at home |
| 17:56.49 | tensai | http://interactive.linuxjournal.com/Magazines/LJ116/7144.html |
| 17:56.52 | tensai | if you've signed up |
| 17:57.55 | Jayce^ | no, haven't.. |
| 17:58.16 | Jayce^ | what month is that? I dont' see it in november or octobers (the two I have) |
| 17:58.21 | tensai | December |
| 17:58.27 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 17:58.29 | Jayce^ | no wonder |
| 17:58.42 | tensai | do you have a subscription? |
| 17:58.53 | Jayce^ | no, supposedly getting one for christmas |
| 17:59.05 | Jayce^ | wife won't let me go get one on my own |
| 17:59.14 | Jayce^ | silly traditions about presents :) |
| 17:59.35 | tensai | LJ interactive is free for subscribers. you can read and search all back issues online. pretty cool |
| 18:01.42 | tensai | I let my wife get a subscription to Better Homes and Gardens in exchange |
| 18:02.04 | Jayce^ | yeah, my wife got that earlier this year... :( should made a deal too :) |
| 18:02.10 | tensai | it's hard to tell the articles from the ads in that one |
| 18:02.53 | Jayce^ | they have articles? |
| 18:03.19 | tensai | :D |
| 18:03.40 | tensai | I just read it for the pictures of food |
| 18:06.53 | levi | Mmmm, food. |
| 18:21.30 | levi | Speaking of food pictures: http://www.anatomical.com/item_disp.asp?PN=955021&btp=index.asp |
| 18:30.17 | Hanuman | great - you guys crashed the M$ server |
| 18:30.21 | Hanuman | "Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e2f'" |
| 18:30.44 | Hanuman | Is that the chocolate brain by chance? |
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| 18:49.46 | hans | any serial console experts? |
| 18:55.05 | levi | What about serial console? |
| 18:55.07 | RyanE | hans: what's the Q? |
| 19:07.06 | levi | Speaking of serial consoles, I'm getting nothing but garbage over mine. Gah. |
| 19:08.16 | hans | if I have the following options to the kernel: "console=ttyS0 console=tty0 console=ttyS0" will it do what I expect? |
| 19:09.24 | hans | (crafting boot lines in grub) |
| 19:12.01 | RyanE | first of all, why two "console=ttyS0"? |
| 19:12.53 | RyanE | second, that should send console messages to both serial port 0 and video console 0 (Ctrl-Alt-F1) |
| 19:12.59 | hans | that's the question. :-) using debian's automagic alternative boot combinations |
| 19:13.08 | RyanE | goofy |
| 19:14.16 | hans | http://www.rajeevnet.com/linux/grub_serial_console.html |
| 19:14.36 | hans | says that for single-user mode you need to have the one that will take keyboard input last |
| 19:14.56 | hans | i'd like console=ttyS0 console=tty0 to be standard, |
| 19:15.35 | hans | but i need an option that will let me do single-user with console... but I think I'll just set up an alternative for serial instead |
| 19:15.55 | hans | and if you need single-user, you can append it at run-time |
| 19:15.59 | hans | which is usually what I do anyway. |
| 19:17.58 | hans | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 19:18.17 | hans | from the debian config file, but all the examples I see online are like |
| 19:18.17 | hans | S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -b -r -s 9600 -p "Serial Console Login: " ttyS0 |
| 19:18.30 | hans | given, I'm using getty not mgetty. what do you guys use? |
| 19:24.51 | hans | say, "Very recent Linux kernels can also offer a serial console using a USB serial dongle at speeds of 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 and 115200 bits per second." |
| 19:24.57 | hans | that sounds like fun too |
| 19:25.14 | hans | does that mean usb-usb, or with a usb converter, I wonder. |
| 19:28.44 | RyanE | I would assume usb-RS232 converter, as I've never heard of a "serial console" that was really a USB console |
| 19:30.53 | hans | console=ttyUSB[<usb_port>[,<mode>] |
| 19:33.01 | hans | emcnabb: so we can just use your laptop |
| 19:33.20 | hans | nix that. "A serial console attached to a USB dongle is only available in Linux kernel version 2.5.7 and later. The 2.5 series of kernels are developer's kernels and are not ready for production use." |
| 19:34.19 | hans | i wonder if there are admins out there that use a pda as the serial console. :) |
| 19:34.54 | RyanE | I used a Palm III as a serial console once |
| 19:35.02 | RyanE | very small to do any serious work. |
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| 19:37.21 | emcnabb | hans, do you have a dongle? |
| 19:38.01 | hans | usb-rs232? no |
| 19:39.50 | emcnabb | I might be interested in buying one (if it is somewhat cheap and if I know it's compatible before I buy it) |
| 19:41.37 | RyanE | you going exit |
| 19:41.43 | RyanE | oops |
| 19:41.54 | emcnabb | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3442204502&category=41995 |
| 19:42.52 | RyanE | at that price, you can't really go wrong even if it's not compatible. |
| 19:43.29 | RyanE | of course, shipping is almost 2X cost of item. |
| 19:43.46 | hans | i don't see why it wouldn't be compatible |
| 19:43.47 | emcnabb | http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?sid=3FBC04005F5A617F&product_code=50166510&pfp=SEARCH |
| 19:43.51 | hans | rs232 is rs232 |
| 19:43.57 | emcnabb | they want $40! |
| 19:44.10 | emcnabb | should I buy that one from ebay then? |
| 19:44.15 | emcnabb | it is cheap |
| 19:45.00 | hans | that's what I'd do. I'd avoid $40 for sure |
| 19:45.06 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 19:45.25 | RyanE | the compusa one says "Note: The IZCUSB232 is not compatible with Mac OS X at this time" |
| 19:45.31 | RyanE | apparently, serial is not serial |
| 19:45.39 | RyanE | or USB is not USB |
| 19:45.47 | hans | gaak. 8.95 shipping for that thing (ebay) |
| 19:46.03 | hans | hmm |
| 19:47.17 | hans | is it a windongle? :) |
| 19:48.37 | bbeattie | 'lo jayce^ |
| 19:49.07 | emcnabb | hans, yeah, I'm looking else where (where shipping is less) |
| 19:53.58 | emcnabb | $20 on this site |
| 19:54.02 | emcnabb | crud |
| 19:58.24 | emcnabb | hans, you have an ebay account? |
| 19:58.42 | hans | yeah |
| 19:59.00 | emcnabb | can you order it for me? I'll pay you back |
| 19:59.10 | emcnabb | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3442402806&category=41995 |
| 19:59.16 | emcnabb | that looks like what I need |
| 19:59.23 | emcnabb | and I can't find anything cheaper |
| 20:01.28 | hans | do you have paypal? |
| 20:07.16 | emcnabb | I don't |
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| 20:27.04 | Tenebram | all I ever know about is what's new in my life |
| 20:27.10 | Tenebram | and that's usually nothing |
| 20:34.12 | jsmith | All I know is that I'm working my tail off so that I can go on vacation... |
| 20:34.16 | Hanuman | ^sue jsmith |
| 20:34.47 | jsmith | Hanuman: Watch out... they'll sue you for trademark infringement |
| 20:35.00 | jsmith | ^slap Hanuman |
| 20:35.00 | Hanuman | ^sue trademark infringements |
| 20:35.19 | jsmith | ^get a life |
| 20:35.35 | jsmith | Hmmmmnn... See, bots are stupid! |
| 20:35.39 | Hanuman | SCOBot will be intelligent some day |
| 20:35.48 | Hanuman | and I will be his master |
| 20:36.03 | Hanuman | Together we will take over the world! |
| 20:36.38 | jsmith | Yeah, and by then I'll be making oodles of money by delivering VoIP to the Utopia network... |
| 20:36.59 | Hanuman | ^sue Utopia network |
| 20:39.59 | jsmith | back in a few... |
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| 21:07.00 | Tenebram | Yay, a spot openet in math214 |
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| 21:28.03 | brailsmt_work | lol, SCOBot is funny |
| 21:28.16 | Jayce^ | http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/index.php |
| 21:28.20 | Jayce^ | pretty dang nifty |
| 21:28.23 | brailsmt_work | kudos to whoever had the idea |
| 21:28.46 | Jayce^ | does mysql, as well as oracle, odbc, others.. |
| 21:29.23 | brailsmt_work | ~slashdot |
| 21:29.38 | brailsmt_work | an analyst gets a clue |
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| 21:32.31 | neybar_work | that dbdesigner4 is very cool looking |
| 21:33.42 | Tenebram | sure is |
| 21:34.25 | Hanuman | ^sue Gartner |
| 21:34.32 | jsmith | Wow... looks cool... I may have to try it out... |
| 21:34.47 | Hanuman | ^sue jsmith |
| 21:34.55 | Hanuman | ^sue |
| 21:35.04 | jsmith | Hanuman: Aha! I've burned all my personal windows licenses! |
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| 22:13.26 | Hanuman | My boss frustrates me sometimes |
| 22:13.35 | HarleyPig | Heh |
| 22:13.46 | Hanuman | She wants to know every aspect of what I'm programming and she has no technical knowledge herself |
| 22:14.08 | Hanuman | She wants to see my table structure and thinks that she might see something I missed |
| 22:14.22 | Hanuman | where she barely even knows what a database is |
| 22:14.53 | HarleyPig | Troubleshooting? or micromanagement? |
| 22:15.05 | Hanuman | micromanagement is all about what this company is |
| 22:15.17 | Hanuman | IMNSHO |
| 22:15.24 | jsmith | Hanuman: At least you have a boss... mine just got RIF'd |
| 22:15.34 | Hanuman | RIF'd? |
| 22:15.41 | HarleyPig | In this case I think you can say IMNSHFO |
| 22:15.47 | jsmith | "Reduction in Force"'d |
| 22:15.48 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... RIF'd? |
| 22:15.50 | HarleyPig | ah |
| 22:16.02 | Hanuman | ahhh...that can or can't be so good, depends |
| 22:16.18 | Hanuman | that's why I'm still here - stable job |
| 22:16.25 | jsmith | That's the policially correct term for "he got let go because he didn't play politics with the parent company" |
| 22:16.43 | Hanuman | in the mean time I can at least complain to you guys in IRC |
| 22:16.45 | jsmith | He was a great boss, and I'll miss him... but now I've got his responsibilities... |
| 22:17.07 | Hanuman | Mine is too, don't get me wrong - I just need technical people to compain to sometimes |
| 22:17.12 | HarleyPig | That sucks ... unless you got his pay too. |
| 22:17.43 | Hanuman | jsmith: My boss and our entire Richmond office got RIF'd because my boss wouldn't play politics w/ the parent company |
| 22:17.44 | jsmith | Well, I don't have his pay or title *yet*... |
| 22:17.49 | Hanuman | at my last job |
| 22:18.01 | HarleyPig | yowch |
| 22:18.05 | jsmith | ... but I'm hoping for the best, once we get our new budget |
| 22:19.03 | Hanuman | My (current) boss somehow compared the reasons for showing my table design to her to how there's "Got to be someone at IBM and other big companies that have to report information to the executives about what's going on" |
| 22:19.30 | Hanuman | I politely told her those companies have CIO's and CTO's that the CEO's trust to do their jobs and do it well |
| 22:19.48 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but did she take it politely? |
| 22:20.06 | Hanuman | she brought up the 'ol "in case you get hit by a bus" analogy... |
| 22:20.18 | Hanuman | actually, I thought she took it quite well |
| 22:21.01 | Hanuman | she and I get along well most of the time - I can say things like that every so often |
| 22:21.02 | Tenebram | but if she's not technically competent enough to know what's going on, how does shwoing it to her help anything? |
| 22:21.10 | Hanuman | exactly |
| 22:21.22 | Hanuman | The question is how do I tell her that? |
| 22:22.04 | Hanuman | Information is information - all she should care about is if the information is presented correctly and efficiently |
| 22:22.24 | Hanuman | I'll worry about the organization of it all - if they don't trust me then they need to hire someone they do trust |
| 22:22.57 | Hanuman | or if they are worried I "get hit by a bus", maybe they need to hire someone else who is technically competent also so we have 2 people that know what's going on |
| 22:22.58 | HarleyPig | How is she going to explain it to them. "The program does this, and the details are "he does some magic here and out here comes the product"? |
| 22:23.09 | Tenebram | And the whole "if you get hit by a bus" thing is what communication with other competentemployees is for. |
| 22:23.16 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: probably the same way she did to me when I joined the company |
| 22:23.21 | Tenebram | Oh, only one on the project. |
| 22:23.29 | Hanuman | Tenebram: only one in the entire company |
| 22:23.34 | Tenebram | Ahh. |
| 22:24.12 | Tenebram | maybe well commented code? |
| 22:24.26 | Hanuman | It was actually kind of interesting - the job description asked for web skills when the majority of it has been marketing and sysadmin |
| 22:24.32 | Hanuman | Tenebram: not until I got here |
| 22:25.09 | Hanuman | also, she kept saying I needed to know some Access, when in reality it was VBA and SQL Server that I had to know |
| 22:25.43 | Hanuman | She and the President still don't know that the majority of what I do is in SQL Server, not Access - they can't seem to differentiate the 2 |
| 22:25.50 | HarleyPig | *snort* and she wants to know what you're doing in detail. |
| 22:26.31 | Hanuman | *but* because they don't know much I can slowly start converting things to Perl and they won't ever know it |
| 22:26.37 | Hanuman | nor care |
| 22:27.11 | Hanuman | My goal is to eventually get us over to Linux and OSS fully, but I have to take it one step at a time |
| 22:27.18 | HarleyPig | As long as they don't write the job description for the next person they hire! |
| 22:27.25 | Hanuman | I am very close to having a Linux mail server here soon |
| 22:27.36 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I'm a little worried about how they would do that |
| 22:27.47 | HarleyPig | ;D |
| 22:28.26 | Hanuman | Title: Web Manager, Skills: Access, Windows, Network administration, Linux, Perl |
| 22:29.12 | Hanuman | I can just see someone asking "What does access have to do with managing a website?" |
| 22:30.05 | HarleyPig | They'd get no takers, or at least no competent takers. |
| 22:30.34 | Hanuman | bbl |
| 22:30.40 | jsmith | later... |
| 22:35.17 | Jayce^ | tunnel question, for anyone who has done this.. |
| 22:35.46 | Jayce^ | I want to make all local mysql connections go over a tunnel to a remote server (work, behind firewall) and be run there.. |
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| 22:36.03 | Jayce^ | I know ssh tunnels can do that.. just trying to find how |
| 22:36.16 | emcnabb | 29 people on #utah! |
| 22:36.21 | emcnabb | is that a record? |
| 22:36.34 | Jayce^ | maybe.. |
| 22:38.32 | Wiggy-Classing | Yay, I helped |
| 22:38.59 | edo_ | ssh tunneling: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/02/23/wep.html |
| 22:39.21 | Jayce^ | hey edo_.. |
| 22:39.28 | edo_ | aloha! |
| 22:39.32 | Jayce^ | didn't see ya there.. |
| 22:41.06 | Jayce^ | yeah, last time I had to tunnel was I think almost 4 years ago.. ya forget the stuff :) |
| 22:46.11 | Jayce^ | ahh. looks like I had it right, it's just when I tried connecting to localhost, it didn't work, but 127.0.0.1 does correctly.. |
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| 22:59.19 | emcnabb | shameless plug: |
| 22:59.21 | emcnabb | http://docs.cs.byu.edu/general/sshtunnels/ |
| 22:59.43 | emcnabb | Jayce^, there are 30 people on |
| 22:59.47 | emcnabb | we need a virtual party |
| 23:00.23 | edo_ | nice docs emcnabb! |
| 23:00.29 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 23:00.44 | Tenebram | I was reading that a few days ago. |
| 23:00.47 | Bradipo | aloha Edo |
| 23:00.52 | emcnabb | yeah, we got sick of answering questions for people so we wrote a bunch of documentation |
| 23:01.01 | emcnabb | got to love sysadmins |
| 23:01.53 | edo_ | aloha brad |
| 23:04.31 | Wiggy | Great, I notice after six hours that my nick is wrong, now I have to go to class |
| 23:04.51 | Wiggy | Me am smart |
| 23:05.10 | Jayce^ | me flunk english? that's unpossible! |
| 23:05.18 | Wiggy-Class | 'sactly |
| 23:08.05 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. still can't get the tunnel to work with mysql... |
| 23:08.08 | jsmith | emcnabb: Are the docs done in docbook, or what? |
| 23:09.03 | Jayce^ | gahhh.. then it finally works |
| 23:12.12 | |NV|S | 4<jsmith> That's the policially correct term for "he got let go because he didn't play politics with the parent company" |
| 23:12.20 | |NV|S | lol |
| 23:12.28 | |NV|S | someone moved his cheese |
| 23:12.53 | jsmith | |NV|S: Exactly... |
| 23:13.14 | |NV|S | i never played well with others.... |
| 23:13.26 | Jayce^ | jsmith, what company? |
| 23:13.35 | jsmith | Jayce^: Discovery Research Group |
| 23:13.47 | |NV|S | Office politics were easy in the company I used to work for...he who controls Email doesnt have to play nice |
| 23:14.26 | jsmith | |NV|S: It used to be that way here... everyone was reading everyone else's email... then I came along! |
| 23:14.26 | Jayce^ | |NV|S, just change the name of who boss B is telling boss A to fire |
| 23:14.36 | emcnabb | jsmith, they are done in our own format |
| 23:14.46 | emcnabb | we made a special documentation program |
| 23:14.59 | emcnabb | it takes a specialized version of html tags |
| 23:15.02 | emcnabb | it's pretty cool |
| 23:15.03 | |NV|S | now you can snoop on IM's now? |
| 23:15.03 | emcnabb | bbl |
| 23:15.06 | jsmith | I just saw that... so you wrote a parser to fancy up their stuff... |
| 23:15.19 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 23:15.23 | |NV|S | lol |
| 23:15.33 | |NV|S | We blocked IM ports.. |
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| 23:18.46 | HarleyPig | |NV|S: How are you preventing nonstandard ports? |
| 23:19.05 | |NV|S | im not...i quit |
| 23:19.12 | |NV|S | lol |
| 23:19.12 | HarleyPig | Ah. |
| 23:19.17 | |NV|S | someone elses problem now |
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| 23:19.56 | jsmith | Nothing like a "Somebody Else's Problem Invisibility Field" |
| 23:20.22 | |NV|S | i caught someone dling porn and my boss didnt want to touch that subject, so I told him that if he had no nuts then I couldnt work for him....god knows he would have sold me out had i made an issue of it |
| 23:25.37 | sjansen | So what does SCObot do? |
| 23:25.40 | |NV|S | is this thing on? |
| 23:26.03 | sjansen | ~SCObot? |
| 23:26.15 | hans | hmm. http://www.aim.com/password/routing.adp |
| 23:26.29 | hans | looks like aim won't kick you off if you sign in anew anymore |
| 23:26.37 | |NV|S | Harley what concerns me is that IM's will start tunneling through standard ports. |
| 23:28.01 | hans | ditto. one of the cool things about jabber |
| 23:29.09 | sjansen | So, following the long standing tradition of CS educations, I tried to undertand Entity beans and quit in frustration. |
| 23:29.25 | sjansen | Now I've found an example I'll morph into what I need. |
| 23:29.46 | sjansen | Step One: Switch databases fro hsql to postgresql. Should be interesting. |
| 23:29.58 | HarleyPig | What's wrong with IM'ng? in a business environment? |
| 23:32.10 | Bradipo | Nothing as long as you don't discuss confidential information via IM. :-) |
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| 23:32.54 | |NV|S | darnit |
| 23:32.59 | |NV|S | someone dont like me |
| 23:33.04 | sjansen | ~SCObot? |
| 23:33.05 | | i guess scobot is It was a dark and storm night when SCObot came into being. The powers of good were destroying the credibility of the Evil Ones, and the powers of evil realized they had to fight back. Thus was hatched the plan to cover the planet with their cruel robot minions. There first target: #utah. |
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| 23:33.29 | emcnabb | ~slashdot |
| 23:33.54 | Jayce^ | wow, up to 32.. must be a uug meeting tonight :) |
| 23:33.58 | emcnabb | haha |
| 23:34.03 | FrozenTrout | heh |
| 23:34.13 | Tenebram | Trout! |
| 23:34.20 | sjansen | Spoon! |
| 23:34.25 | Jayce^ | Spoooooon! |
| 23:34.28 | emcnabb | REMINDER: UUG MEETING TONIGHT! :-) |
| 23:34.30 | emcnabb | http://uug.byu.edu/events.php?id=107 |
| 23:34.35 | Tenebram | Trout, remember that ssh tunneling tutorial I liked you to yesterday that you're still having trouble with? |
| 23:34.46 | Tenebram | or was that two days ago? |
| 23:34.54 | sjansen | Colher! |
| 23:36.57 | |NV|S | anyone have a map to the UUG meeting? |
| 23:37.24 | Tenebram | in the building or to the building? |
| 23:37.57 | |NV|S | to the building |
| 23:38.10 | |NV|S | i see one on byu's site |
| 23:38.16 | |NV|S | but its confusing |
| 23:38.25 | Tenebram | I'll gimp a circle around a campus map |
| 23:38.43 | emcnabb | |NV|S, it's labeled CTB |
| 23:38.44 | Tenebram | where you at? |
| 23:38.49 | |NV|S | CTB? |
| 23:38.52 | |NV|S | ok hang on |
| 23:38.52 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 23:39.03 | emcnabb | next to the wilk |
| 23:39.15 | Tenebram | yeah |
| 23:39.30 | tensai | sjansen: I work in J2EE. need some help? |
| 23:39.33 | |NV|S | http://www.byu.edu/about/map/ |
| 23:39.52 | emcnabb | southeast part of campus |
| 23:40.01 | emcnabb | south of WSC |
| 23:40.12 | emcnabb | east of CB |
| 23:40.31 | emcnabb | there's a big parking lot across the street |
| 23:40.42 | |NV|S | ok i see it |
| 23:40.45 | |NV|S | sweet |
| 23:40.46 | Tenebram | Yay! |
| 23:41.03 | emcnabb | |NV|S, we'd love to have you there... :-) |
| 23:41.08 | |NV|S | im interested in tripwire |
| 23:41.14 | emcnabb | cool |
| 23:41.26 | |NV|S | logs are your first clue your rooted |
| 23:41.44 | |NV|S | but parsing them is a pain |
| 23:41.51 | sjansen | tensai: 'Preciate the offer. Just trying to get a simple entity bean in jboss 3.2 using postgresql. The problem I'm having is pulling the pieces together. Trying to tackle everything at once is too much. I figure now that I've got a working example, the first thing I'll do is change the datasource and verify it still works. |
| 23:42.22 | RyanE | streaming audio for tonight's meeting? |
| 23:42.33 | tensai | sjansen: that's my same environment. I only figured this stuff out ~4 months ago. |
| 23:42.44 | tensai | I like it now |
| 23:42.45 | sjansen | |NV|S: Assuming your logs aren't the first thing to be modified after your compromised. |
| 23:43.03 | Bradipo | Just log everything to a remote log server. |
| 23:43.17 | Bradipo | At least then they would have to hack that as well. |
| 23:43.35 | emcnabb | RyanE, we might stream it |
| 23:43.36 | Tenebram | but there's probably be the same security holes on both |
| 23:43.38 | emcnabb | I'm not sure yet |
| 23:43.47 | Bradipo | Uh, not if you disable everything but logging. |
| 23:43.55 | Bradipo | And firewall it off. |
| 23:43.59 | sjansen | Not necessarily, the logging box can be extrememly hardened. |
| 23:44.07 | *** join/#utah zzzirk (~lzirkel@166.70.157.45) |
| 23:44.19 | Tenebram | yeah, I forgot that there's be a lot more running on the used box |
| 23:44.34 | sjansen | Doesn't have to be extremely fast or expensive. OpenBSD, firewalled, non-routable IP, minimal services. |
| 23:48.42 | *** join/#utah zzzirk (~lzirkel@166.70.157.45) |
| 23:50.44 | Bradipo | I have three OpenBSD boxes, but none of them are PPC. |
| 23:50.48 | Bradipo | Does that give me bragging rights. ;-) |
| 23:50.50 | Bradipo | ? |
| 23:51.16 | Jayce^ | I almost used openbsd for my firewall, but it's smp :) |
| 23:51.38 | Bradipo | You have an SMP firewall? |
| 23:51.44 | Jayce^ | eyah |
| 23:51.45 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:51.46 | Bradipo | Kind of a waste of hardware eh? |
| 23:52.01 | Jayce^ | nah, it's a multipurpose box.. and it's the hardware I have |
| 23:52.07 | Tenebram | Bragging Rights, Bradipo |
| 23:52.16 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 23:52.38 | emcnabb | I have and OpenBSD sparcstation firewall |
| 23:52.46 | Bradipo | Now that's cool. |
| 23:53.28 | sjansen | You're brother's still cooler. |
| 23:53.40 | sjansen | Jayce^: What else are you doing on the box? |
| 23:53.45 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:53.57 | RyanE | [LIE MODE ON] I have a Cray X1 [LIE MODE OFF] |
| 23:54.02 | RyanE | openbsd firewall |
| 23:54.03 | Jayce^ | sjansen, mail, web.. |
| 23:54.04 | emcnabb | sjansen, don't make me beat you up any more in class |
| 23:54.15 | emcnabb | RyanE, haha |
| 23:54.26 | Bradipo | What runs on Cray X1? |
| 23:55.06 | Jayce^ | hah. |
| 23:55.10 | sjansen | The kind of money you're raking in, you thing you'd be able to afford another machine. ;-) |
| 23:55.17 | Jayce^ | riiight |
| 23:55.25 | Jayce^ | actually, I have the others, just smp too :) |
| 23:55.38 | Jayce^ | just don't need more machines running right now |
| 23:55.47 | sjansen | Must be hard being so rich you can afford a plain ol' uni-processor. |
| 23:55.54 | Jayce^ | riiight |
| 23:55.56 | emcnabb | Anyone going to the Ruby meeting on campus at 6:30? |
| 23:56.09 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, why? :p |
| 23:56.22 | Jayce^ | dual 400, and a dual 466 |
| 23:56.30 | Jayce^ | got another mobo, but no chips |
| 23:56.31 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'd take either of those off your hands... |
| 23:56.38 | emcnabb | Jayce^, haha, just wondering |
| 23:56.53 | Jayce^ | most of those I've picked up from pieces of surplus.. |
| 23:57.22 | Jayce^ | although the 466 I got PK (Pre-kid) |
| 23:57.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: Now that's what I call surplus! |
| 23:58.44 | Jayce^ | actually, my best deal was this summer.. paid $20, got 3 4u rack boxes, two with power supplies, and smp mobos (with scsi), two adaptec scsi cards, an 80gb drive, and a dead cdrom drive :) |
| 23:58.50 | jsmith | I worked at the surplus department at Utah State for a couple years... I never saw one SMP machine go through... the fastest machine I ever saw there was a 300MHz IBM box running AIX... |
| 23:59.00 | jsmith | Jayce^: Where? |
| 23:59.11 | Jayce^ | they thought the drive was dead.. it really just didn't work on the bios on that board (too large) |
| 23:59.23 | Jayce^ | myfamily.com... had a friend that worked there.. |
| 23:59.31 | *** part/#utah tomeast (~teastmond@63-253-57-90.ip.mcleodusa.net) |
| 23:59.59 | jsmith | Jayce^: Man, I'm jealous... |