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| 00:33.39 | sjansen | Jayce^: ping |
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| 00:57.32 | bonez39 | hans: I compiled another kernel, and it would not boot, did a 'kernel panic'...I believe since there was no initrd-img file present..I went back and ran make-kpkg --initrd-image ...it's recompiling that now...should that solve the problem? |
| 00:58.04 | bonez39 | I'll read the answer tomorrow...have to run now... |
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| 01:24.09 | Newsome | shaddap, ibot |
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| 01:36.02 | HarleyPig | Anyone familiar with mysql/perl willing to help me (hopefully it's a quickie)? |
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| 01:49.26 | Newsome | man that was lame |
| 01:49.46 | emcnabb | yeah it was |
| 01:49.54 | hans | ~lart ksl |
| 01:50.02 | emcnabb | brailsmt, did you see your family on TV? |
| 01:50.12 | hans | i got it on vhs, fwiw |
| 01:50.22 | Newsome | at least Jason did a good job! |
| 01:50.48 | hans | bonez39: the kernel panic is likely a filesystem issue. make sure you have the filesystem you use compiled in (do both ext3 and ext2 just in case) |
| 01:51.36 | hans | they may use some of the other footage later though. that protest footage for example is pretty old now |
| 01:51.50 | emcnabb | good job jason |
| 01:52.15 | emcnabb | see you guys at the plug meeting tonight |
| 01:53.14 | Newsome | I don't mind not being on TV, it's just that they really didn't present both sides very well |
| 02:02.16 | HarleyPig | What was on tv? |
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| 02:41.47 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
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| 03:31.22 | brailsmt | huh? my family was on TV? |
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| 04:00.05 | torriem | that you, kevin/ |
| 04:00.05 | torriem | ? |
| 04:00.08 | tewk | Yep |
| 04:00.13 | torriem | Long time no see |
| 04:00.18 | tewk | How you doing. |
| 04:00.28 | torriem | Not too bad |
| 04:00.39 | torriem | Did you graduate and go out into the real world? |
| 04:00.46 | tewk | I'm working full time for a startup in orem. |
| 04:00.51 | torriem | nice |
| 04:00.53 | tewk | Haven't graduated yet. |
| 04:00.57 | torriem | Ahh |
| 04:01.01 | tewk | Working on that thesis |
| 04:01.01 | torriem | Still doing research for snell? |
| 04:01.08 | tewk | All the course work is done. |
| 04:01.09 | torriem | I see |
| 04:01.12 | torriem | sounds good |
| 04:01.36 | tewk | Yep, phylogenetic parallel algorithms looks like the final thesis topic |
| 04:01.42 | tewk | I've done some hopping |
| 04:02.03 | torriem | Hmm. sounds impressive. No clue what you are talking about... :) |
| 04:02.03 | tewk | What are you up to ? |
| 04:02.11 | torriem | Working for chemistry department as a CSR. |
| 04:02.28 | torriem | Playing with new Apple 4 terrabyte server arrays. |
| 04:02.28 | tewk | Ah, yeah I knew that |
| 04:02.38 | tewk | Apple ? |
| 04:02.42 | torriem | Yup. |
| 04:02.49 | tewk | G5's or 4's |
| 04:02.56 | torriem | Check them out. Their Xserve disk arrays are fibre channel and can work with any OS |
| 04:03.12 | torriem | Although we are using OS 10.3 server at the moment to run samba, nfs and afs. |
| 04:03.32 | tewk | afs being apple file system ? |
| 04:03.35 | torriem | I am impressed with them. I recently got their raid management tools running under linux. |
| 04:03.41 | torriem | yeah |
| 04:04.03 | tewk | so you a fan of os 10 |
| 04:04.18 | torriem | Well, there are things I don't like, but overall, it works pretty well, even as a server. |
| 04:04.22 | tewk | Snell and Clement both defected to the mac |
| 04:04.25 | tewk | :) |
| 04:04.30 | torriem | And it's very competetively priced. |
| 04:04.35 | torriem | So I've heard. |
| 04:04.45 | tewk | I almost think I could go for a mac |
| 04:04.50 | torriem | I am also planning on buying a powerbook 12". But I think I'll be running Linux as the primary OS. |
| 04:05.06 | torriem | If you compare laptops, they price out about the same as a x86 |
| 04:05.35 | tewk | I have a dell inspirion 8500 wide screen 1920x1200 , I love it |
| 04:06.02 | torriem | Apple's screen aren't quite that high of resolution. That's a minus for me. |
| 04:06.25 | tewk | SO you on #utah much |
| 04:06.55 | torriem | Lately. Not many people have been chatting lately, though, so I've been chatting with the ibot |
| 04:07.12 | tewk | I used to monitor it, but I lost my screen session after two months of connectivity |
| 04:07.37 | torriem | Bummer |
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| 04:08.41 | torriem | This channel has slightly more traffic than some of the other ones I've been too. |
| 04:08.53 | tewk | it seems to come and go |
| 04:09.14 | torriem | There is a plug meeting right now, so maybe people are still not back from that. |
| 04:10.22 | tewk | ohhh |
| 04:11.10 | tewk | I just watch the bot say funny things about sco |
| 04:11.18 | torriem | :) |
| 04:11.24 | torriem | ibot, what is sco? |
| 04:11.26 | | [sco] the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist |
| 04:11.47 | tewk | ibot, McBride |
| 04:11.49 | | tewk: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:11.58 | torriem | :) |
| 04:12.04 | torriem | ibot, what is mcbride? |
| 04:12.06 | | torriem: what are you talking about? |
| 04:12.12 | torriem | ~mcbride |
| 04:12.13 | tewk | Not that smart |
| 04:12.24 | torriem | We need to train him better. |
| 04:13.09 | torriem | ibot, mcbride is a self-serving, unethical, lying, thieving CEO who is pumping his stock so he can dump it. |
| 04:13.11 | | okay, torriem |
| 04:13.17 | torriem | ~mcbride |
| 04:13.19 | | hmm... mcbride is a self-serving, unethical, lying, thieving CEO who is pumping his stock so he can dump it. |
| 04:13.35 | torriem | Now he's a little smarter. |
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| 06:09.02 | torriem | Cool. Gaim works as an irc client. |
| 06:09.53 | emcnabb | ~mcbride |
| 06:09.55 | | somebody said mcbride was a self-serving, unethical, lying, thieving CEO who is pumping his stock so he can dump it. |
| 06:10.17 | torriem | ibot, you are smart |
| 06:10.20 | | torriem: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:12.46 | jakea | mmmm, what is the deal with this ibot thing? |
| 06:12.54 | jakea | <--- IRC challenged |
| 06:13.12 | emcnabb | ibot is THE ONE IBOT TO RULE THEM ALL! |
| 06:13.14 | | emcnabb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:13.16 | torriem | well, you can do "~help" to get a little bit of information |
| 06:13.21 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 06:13.23 | torriem | that's another |
| 06:13.43 | jakea | hmmmm |
| 06:13.47 | torriem | ibot, what is vim? |
| 06:13.48 | | vim is, like, an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need, or the official editor of #utah :) |
| 06:13.48 | jakea | ~gates |
| 06:14.00 | torriem | Too many requests. :) |
| 06:14.10 | jakea | ibot, what is emacs |
| 06:14.11 | | i guess emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used, or almost jove on the familiar system, or pretty useful |
| 06:14.17 | torriem | :) |
| 06:14.27 | jakea | I see who is in charge here |
| 06:14.29 | torriem | Say, that's good to know when I'm stuck using emacs |
| 06:14.36 | torriem | ~gates |
| 06:14.45 | torriem | ~bill gates |
| 06:14.47 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bill gates is lord of Darkness |
| 06:14.47 | jakea | ibot, what is Microsoft |
| 06:14.48 | | from memory, microsoft is evil!, or micro-WHAT? | <action> shoots himself |
| 06:15.01 | jakea | he he |
| 06:15.30 | jakea | lets see |
| 06:15.37 | jakea | ibot, what is Star Trek |
| 06:15.38 | | jakea: what are you talking about? |
| 06:15.54 | jakea | not geeky enough for me |
| 06:16.02 | emcnabb | you can train him |
| 06:16.04 | jakea | ~shatner |
| 06:16.11 | emcnabb | is a moron |
| 06:16.28 | torriem | ibot, William Shatner is a terrible singer |
| 06:16.29 | | okay, torriem |
| 06:16.38 | torriem | ibot, what is William Shatner |
| 06:16.39 | | somebody said william shatner was a terrible singer |
| 06:17.28 | jakea | ibot, emacs is not all that bad |
| 06:17.29 | | ...but emacs is already something else... |
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| 06:17.34 | jakea | darn |
| 06:17.44 | torriem | Welcome, steve. |
| 06:18.01 | habib | hi |
| 06:18.15 | torriem | Not much is going on tonight, but we're having fun with the ibot. |
| 06:18.30 | habib | great |
| 06:18.50 | torriem | The fedora channel is quite active tonight (as always) |
| 06:18.55 | torriem | make that #fedora |
| 06:18.59 | jakea | ibot, Agent Smith really isn't that bad, once you get to know him |
| 06:19.00 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jakea |
| 06:19.03 | emcnabb | habib, which Steve are you? |
| 06:19.10 | torriem | Robertson |
| 06:19.10 | jakea | darn rules for thise |
| 06:19.14 | emcnabb | ahh |
| 06:19.17 | emcnabb | welcome! |
| 06:19.20 | habib | how many steves are here? |
| 06:19.28 | jakea | <-- not a steve |
| 06:19.31 | emcnabb | right now, I think 0 |
| 06:19.45 | emcnabb | but I do know quite a few steves :-) |
| 06:19.46 | torriem | (off by one error -- Steve himself is steve, so that counts) |
| 06:20.02 | jakea | ibot, Agent Smith is really not that bad, once you get to know him |
| 06:20.05 | | okay, jakea |
| 06:20.09 | jakea | he he |
| 06:20.12 | torriem | ~Agent Smith |
| 06:20.15 | | methinks agent smith is really not that bad, once you get to know him |
| 06:20.40 | torriem | Poor ibot will be so loaded with useless associations that he'll crash. |
| 06:20.52 | torriem | ~help |
| 06:21.39 | jakea | it's called beta testing |
| 06:21.45 | torriem | yup |
| 06:22.07 | torriem | dang it. ibot just told me to RTFM when I was trying out commands. |
| 06:22.10 | torriem | ~contents |
| 06:22.20 | jakea | ~help |
| 06:22.36 | torriem | ~contents strings.h |
| 06:22.50 | torriem | Wow it's searching debian packages for me. |
| 06:23.23 | torriem | Who is \usr\bin\ |
| 06:23.33 | torriem | perl? :) |
| 06:24.25 | torriem | Cool |
| 06:25.48 | jakea | ugggg, okay emcnabb, time for another SCO protest |
| 06:26.11 | jakea | they are making me really made this week |
| 06:26.15 | emcnabb | Jayce^, haha |
| 06:26.21 | emcnabb | jakea, sorry |
| 06:26.24 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 06:26.38 | emcnabb | tab completion error |
| 06:26.58 | torriem | KCI problem? |
| 06:27.09 | torriem | Keyboard-chair-interface? |
| 06:27.09 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 06:27.24 | jakea | hey when you said the BYUSA modivational speaker refered to you 10 times in his speach was it in a good way or bad way? |
| 06:27.26 | torriem | Got my boss converted to Linux this morning. |
| 06:27.41 | emcnabb | cool |
| 06:27.45 | emcnabb | Robert? |
| 06:28.01 | jakea | ya, the one you said you ripped on, then felt bad |
| 06:28.08 | torriem | emcnabb: yeah |
| 06:28.20 | emcnabb | jakea, me? |
| 06:28.23 | jakea | ya |
| 06:28.29 | jakea | emcnabb (sorry) |
| 06:28.30 | emcnabb | I don't think so |
| 06:29.21 | jakea | ibot, what is Mandrake? |
| 06:29.23 | | from memory, mandrake is the best linux distro or the worst linux distro, or a plant that screams when you rip it out of the ground and kills you for removing it, or that guy who used to work for VA that is also doing that voice synth stuff |
| 06:29.24 | emcnabb | torriem, how has he been converted? |
| 06:29.49 | jakea | he he |
| 06:30.42 | jakea | he forgot about it being the name of a russian spy plane |
| 06:31.35 | Jayce^ | so, anybody else notice 3 people up late at sco tonight? |
| 06:32.01 | emcnabb | Jayce^, yeah |
| 06:32.06 | emcnabb | it wasn't mcbride though |
| 06:32.35 | jakea | ibot, what is AOL |
| 06:32.37 | | jakea: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:32.37 | torriem | emcnabb: Well he had to reboot his winxp machine today and at the grub prompt decided, "what the hell." He had been wanting to do it for a long time now. |
| 06:33.34 | jakea | did anyone notice that some of the stock "people using computers" footage KSL used had a close up of a computer using Windows. Der |
| 06:34.00 | emcnabb | torriem, great |
| 06:35.41 | torriem | Didn't see the news. Glad of it |
| 06:36.02 | Jayce^ | hans, that torrent link isn't working for me (got the torrent, but bt isn't connecting) |
| 06:37.39 | torriem | Anyone else excited by Keith Packard's compositing extension work for X11 as seen on slashdot today? |
| 06:38.59 | emcnabb | night all |
| 06:39.06 | torriem | night |
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| 06:40.52 | Newsome | ibot, mcbride's mamma is so ugly that she pickets SCO herself |
| 06:40.53 | | okay, Newsome |
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| 06:46.27 | tensai | Jayce^: same for me. that's why I made the mirror |
| 06:49.56 | Jayce^ | dangit, wanted to see if it was ok to post that to plug |
| 07:09.30 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, did you see the note about the new plug location? |
| 07:09.33 | Jayce^ | next door to it.. |
| 07:10.02 | Jayce^ | thayne and I left at 10:45, and three guys were in the big conference room at sco, light on, and working through a lot of paperwork.. |
| 07:10.03 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 07:11.39 | brailsmt | cool, who's idea was to have plug mtgs next to SCO |
| 07:11.43 | brailsmt | my hats off to you |
| 07:12.02 | Jayce^ | ViaWest came to me and offered the use of their facilities. :) |
| 07:12.08 | Jayce^ | which just happen to be there.. |
| 07:12.13 | Jayce^ | the guy got a kick out of the idea.. |
| 07:12.25 | brailsmt | it just smacls of irony |
| 07:12.30 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 07:12.46 | Jayce^ | so I couldn't say no to that.. |
| 07:13.28 | brailsmt | of course, don't put it past mcbride to threaten a lawsuit if they don't stop letting plug use the facility :) |
| 07:14.37 | Jayce^ | or, after seeing him, if he understands the word of wisdom says to not drink :) |
| 07:14.40 | brailsmt | SCO: quickest draw in the west |
| 07:15.05 | brailsmt | he drinks? |
| 07:15.07 | Jayce^ | so, you showing your extended family that you made tv? |
| 07:15.16 | brailsmt | i didn't see it... |
| 07:15.20 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, he looks like he has a major hang-over in the video |
| 07:15.22 | brailsmt | it didn't make the 10:00 news |
| 07:15.30 | Jayce^ | if not, he looks fully drunk |
| 07:15.30 | brailsmt | i taped it... |
| 07:15.39 | Jayce^ | they have it ripped on the list.. |
| 07:15.47 | brailsmt | plug? |
| 07:15.52 | Jayce^ | uug.. |
| 07:16.03 | brailsmt | a .torrent? |
| 07:16.10 | Jayce^ | need to get someone who has a mirror to post to plug, so I don't send their mirror out |
| 07:16.18 | Jayce^ | couldn't get hans' torrent to work.. |
| 07:16.25 | Jayce^ | but two avi's, and a real format one.. |
| 07:16.40 | brailsmt | can mplayershow those? |
| 07:16.48 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 07:17.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, just grab the avi, and mplayer shows it fine |
| 07:28.47 | Mecworks | apt-get install mplayer |
| 07:39.10 | Mecworks | of course, I'm running apt on an RPM based system. |
| 07:55.08 | brailsmt | Mecworks: emerge mplayer |
| 08:05.10 | brailsmt | takes longer, but the best things come to those who wait... ;) |
| 08:05.52 | brailsmt | i am actually considering putting debian on my 300 MHz dinosaurw |
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| 08:43.04 | Newsome | ibot, ban yourself! |
| 08:43.06 | | Newsome: no idea |
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| 13:20.05 | hans | sorry about the bittorrent. I've started another with my public ip so it should work for you off-campusers too. |
| 14:47.31 | Hanuman | bonez39's issue last night reminds me of today's foxtrot |
| 14:50.08 | Hanuman | 8-ball: does McBride drink? |
| 14:50.09 | \usr\bin\perl | Hanuman: 8-ball says: Who knows |
| 14:50.22 | Hanuman | morse: test |
| 14:50.29 | Hanuman | hmmm... |
| 14:50.41 | Hanuman | mygoogle: test |
| 14:51.24 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: hello! |
| 14:51.35 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: hi perl |
| 14:51.48 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: hi |
| 14:51.55 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: hi! |
| 14:55.25 | Hanuman | google "test" |
| 14:55.35 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: google "test" |
| 14:55.45 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: mygoogle "test" |
| 14:56.20 | Hanuman | !google "test" |
| 14:56.22 | \usr\bin\perl | Results for "test" on Google: |
| 14:56.22 | \usr\bin\perl | http://test.com/ |
| 14:56.22 | \usr\bin\perl | http://www.toefl.org/ |
| 14:56.22 | \usr\bin\perl | http://ericae.net/testcol.htm |
| 14:56.22 | \usr\bin\perl | -- |
| 14:56.26 | Hanuman | perfect |
| 14:57.42 | Hanuman | hello \usr\bin\perl |
| 15:01.15 | hans | ok, so I just did a debian install here at work with the new beta and it is very smooth. not quite as smooth as say redhat or mandrake, but leaps and bounds ahead of the old installer |
| 15:01.47 | hans | but now that it's booted, I can't see my ide devices. (root is on scsi, but I have another hdd and the cdrom on ide) |
| 15:02.07 | hans | i think it must be a module issue - but how do I know which module to load? |
| 15:05.49 | Hanuman | !hello |
| 15:05.58 | Hanuman | dang it - can't get that one to work |
| 15:09.10 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: ascii test |
| 15:09.15 | Hanuman | !ascii |
| 15:09.20 | Hanuman | !morse test |
| 15:09.31 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: morse test |
| 15:13.59 | Hanuman | Is there any documentation for these irssi scripts anywhere? Or do I just have to read the source to figure out how to use them? |
| 15:16.16 | hans | use the source luke |
| 15:17.16 | Hanuman | that's what I'm doing - just curious if there were docs anywhere |
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| 15:20.40 | \usr\bin\perl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.40 | \usr\bin\perl | | |_ ___ ___| |_ |
| 15:20.40 | \usr\bin\perl | | _|/ -_)(_-<| _| |
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| 15:20.53 | Hanuman | ascii test |
| 15:20.57 | Hanuman | !ascii test |
| 15:21.03 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: ascii test |
| 15:21.08 | Hanuman | nope - gotta be the user to do it |
| 15:21.57 | Hanuman | !google "Evan McNabb" |
| 15:21.58 | \usr\bin\perl | Results for "Evan McNabb" on Google: |
| 15:21.58 | \usr\bin\perl | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/ |
| 15:21.58 | \usr\bin\perl | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/funny/ |
| 15:21.58 | \usr\bin\perl | http://freshmeat.net/~emcnabb/ |
| 15:21.58 | \usr\bin\perl | -- |
| 15:22.52 | Hanuman | 8-ball: is emcnabb a linux user? |
| 15:22.52 | \usr\bin\perl | Hanuman: 8-ball says: Very doubtful |
| 15:23.26 | Hanuman | okay, I'm done playing now - back to work |
| 15:23.41 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.41 | Hanuman | | |__ __ _ __ | |__ | |_ ___ __ __ __ ___ _ _ | |__ |
| 15:23.41 | Hanuman | | '_ \/ _` |/ _|| / / | _|/ _ \ \ V V // _ \| '_|| / / |
| 15:23.41 | Hanuman | |_.__/\__,_|\__||_\_\ \__|\___/ \_/\_/ \___/|_| |_\_\ |
| 15:30.29 | hans | ok, i see, the ide is provided via the scsi controller. |
| 15:30.32 | hans | scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices |
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| 15:58.07 | Hanuman_work | There went my home connection - high winds always kill my DSL line here |
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| 16:18.19 | hans | modprobe ide-detect |
| 16:18.23 | hans | that was the magic incantation |
| 16:18.55 | Jayce^ | Hans you get my message about your bittorrent? |
| 16:19.09 | hans | last night? yeah. did you see mine this morning about how I fixed it? |
| 16:19.24 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 16:19.34 | Jayce^ | can we post that to plug and sllug now? |
| 16:21.25 | hans | the bittorrent? go ahead |
| 16:21.40 | hans | Jayce^: I started another one with my public IP. you should be able to get it from off-campus now. |
| 16:22.29 | hans | if you have success with that, then I'd say post it |
| 16:23.16 | Bradipo | What's the torrent? |
| 16:25.41 | hans | http://falcon.fugal.net/~fugalh/tmp/sco.avi.torrent |
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| 16:29.41 | mhalcrow | Happy good morning, boys and girls. |
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| 16:42.18 | Bradipo | I take it that torrent isn't yet available? |
| 16:42.43 | hans | Bradipo: is it not working? |
| 16:42.47 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 16:43.11 | hans | can you just not find the torrent or is it just not connecting to peers? |
| 16:43.36 | Bradipo | Good question. |
| 16:43.53 | Bradipo | No progress is being made whatsoever. |
| 16:44.00 | Bradipo | No errors. |
| 16:44.21 | Bradipo | Maybe it's not connecting to peers... |
| 16:44.28 | Bradipo | But it doesn't seem apparent. |
| 16:45.00 | Bradipo | The torrent is there, just no downloading of the actual file. |
| 16:47.05 | hans | ok, I just seeded it with phantom, something should start happening I think |
| 16:47.31 | hans | (this is ridiculous. it's only 8 megs) |
| 16:48.30 | Bradipo | Yeah, I know what you mean. |
| 16:49.49 | Hanuman_work | I was getting proxy errors on mine, but I don't know if that's just me or not. |
| 16:50.22 | Hanuman_work | Okay - it's my problem |
| 16:51.52 | Bradipo | What port does bittorrent use? |
| 16:52.26 | hans | <shrug> |
| 16:52.26 | Hanuman_work | yeah - that's my question, too |
| 16:52.44 | hans | i don't have a gui at the moment, and don't feel like looking it up in lynx. if you find out tell me :) |
| 16:56.16 | Hanuman_work | ibot, give me the news |
| 16:56.17 | | Hanuman_work: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:56.23 | Hanuman_work | ibot, news |
| 16:56.51 | Bradipo | Oh well, I guess the torrent isn't working. |
| 16:57.20 | Bradipo | Is it working for anyone else? |
| 17:00.15 | hans | how about now? |
| 17:18.58 | levi | "Can you hear me now? Good." |
| 17:19.54 | Jayce^ | http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/index.phtml |
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| 17:24.08 | Jayce^ | I was suprised to find out that thayne has over 1k lines in the kernel right now |
| 17:25.03 | mhalcrow | Neat. If this makes it in, I'll have 470 :-) |
| 17:25.41 | mhalcrow | And Linux will have BSD Secure Levels again! |
| 17:26.15 | Jayce^ | ooh |
| 17:26.22 | hans | blast. I have a whole /home filesystem with userids that I don't want to change... |
| 17:26.38 | hans | but apparently nis/debian doesn't like uid < 1000 |
| 17:27.01 | Jayce^ | wierd. |
| 17:27.02 | hans | (changing my uid back to 1000 from what it needs to be to match the files (500) causes nis to not work) |
| 17:27.28 | mhalcrow | What a coincidence. I don't like uid < 1000 either. |
| 17:27.36 | hans | so I need to convince debian and/or nis (whoever is at fault) to let me use < 1000 UIDs, or go through and manually change all the files. |
| 17:27.47 | hans | that's what I get for not wiping mandrake on day one. ;-< |
| 17:28.09 | Jayce^ | hans, you can do it with find.. |
| 17:28.24 | mhalcrow | find . -type f -name "*" -exec chown 1001 {} \; |
| 17:28.38 | mhalcrow | Rinse, lather, repeat for each /home/* |
| 17:28.51 | hans | I could use chmod -R if I felt like doing that. |
| 17:29.07 | mhalcrow | TIMTOWTDI |
| 17:29.16 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 17:29.26 | hans | which wouldn't be too bad, but changing the groups unilaterally like that is bad, because then I lose all the group information. |
| 17:30.06 | mhalcrow | What GNU/Linux filesystems really need are opaque handles for this sort of thing. |
| 17:30.10 | Jayce^ | so use find to find all files with a specific group id, and switch it to the new one.. |
| 17:30.16 | hans | but I could do it with -user and -group |
| 17:30.23 | hans | that will do. |
| 17:31.05 | mhalcrow | Bye |
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| 17:42.59 | Hanuman_work | Jayce^: I was saying earlier that that relates well to bonez39's questions last night |
| 17:47.03 | Hanuman_work | Anyone get the anti-sco shirt yet? |
| 17:47.57 | emcnabb | Hanuman_work, nope, but I'm wearing my homemade anti-sco shirt today |
| 17:48.06 | Jayce^ | jakea did |
| 17:49.05 | emcnabb | that what I did with the shirt SCO gave to me |
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| 17:54.34 | Hanuman_work | tat was weird - lenguin.freenode.net must have gone down |
| 17:54.41 | Hanuman_work | s/tat/that/ |
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| 18:09.11 | Bradipo | Is that torrent file working yet? |
| 18:14.26 | Bradipo | If you can get the file to me we can setup a torrent that actually works. :-) |
| 18:16.06 | hans | i don't know why this one doesn't work. the uug.ogg and yarrow worked fine from phantom. |
| 18:16.51 | Bradipo | Doh, I should have guessed. :-) |
| 18:17.09 | hans | well, it wasn't there until a second ago. :) |
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| 18:22.57 | sjansen | You know your reality revolves around linux when you read "Final Fantasy XII Details Leak" and think "They're porting FF to run on XFree86?!" |
| 18:23.42 | neybar | lol |
| 18:25.16 | Jayce^ | sjansen, is having too much fun with the penguin he got last night.. |
| 18:27.07 | sjansen | ~FFXII? |
| 18:27.10 | | from memory, ffxii is see also Final Fantasy XII |
| 18:27.19 | sjansen | ~Final Fantasy XII? |
| 18:27.21 | | rumour has it, final fantasy xii is Probably Final Fantasy ported to work with XFree86. |
| 18:30.29 | Jayce^ | mmmm... juno reactor.. |
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| 18:31.38 | Bradipo | hans: you got some phat bandwidth eh? |
| 18:31.55 | synic_ | hrmm... seems I have started something on the SLLUG mailing list |
| 18:33.46 | hans | Bradipo: byu on-campus network. good bandwidth, terrible administration. :) |
| 18:38.45 | Bradipo | lol |
| 18:38.59 | Bradipo | How do I make this a torrent file now? |
| 18:39.03 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 18:50.18 | hans | before doing that, try one more time http://phantom.byu.edu/~fugalh/sco.avi.torrent |
| 18:53.40 | hans | otherwise, rtfm. :-) Basically you have to start a tracker (or you can use the phantom one: phantom.byu.edu:6969, but maybe that's part of the problem) |
| 18:53.46 | hans | then create a torrent file |
| 18:53.57 | hans | then 'download' it with the existing file so that it's seeded. |
| 18:54.43 | Jayce^ | still no luck hans |
| 18:54.56 | hans | i'm at a loss |
| 18:55.31 | hans | maybe phantom's ip... try again |
| 18:56.58 | Jayce^ | redownload the torrent or not? |
| 18:57.17 | Jayce^ | not connecting.. |
| 18:57.54 | hans | sure |
| 18:59.12 | Jayce^ | might explain why I just got a host not found.. |
| 18:59.57 | Jayce^ | red/led... |
| 19:00.04 | Jayce^ | still no connection |
| 19:00.08 | Jayce^ | connecting to peers |
| 19:02.30 | hans | wonder if I forgot something. this sure is more complicated than it has to be |
| 19:02.38 | hans | not impressed with the 'ui' of bittorrent |
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| 19:04.41 | Jayce^ | nope |
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| 19:05.54 | tensai | Hanuman_work: you were looking for me? |
| 19:09.00 | Jayce^ | hans, trying that new installer cd.. |
| 19:09.09 | Jayce^ | guess it doesn't detect any of my drives.. |
| 19:09.16 | Jayce^ | running off the cd, and it says it can't find the cd :) |
| 19:10.23 | hans | scsi cd? |
| 19:10.27 | Jayce^ | no... |
| 19:10.32 | Jayce^ | all ide.. my old laptop |
| 19:10.42 | hans | hmm. odd. it had no trouble on mine |
| 19:11.12 | Jayce^ | says my partitions should be mounted in /target.. not there. |
| 19:11.52 | Jayce^ | not even a /target |
| 19:12.34 | art | Jayce^: yeah I've been looking at different laptops. |
| 19:12.52 | art | I like the HP 17 inch with full num pad on the side. |
| 19:13.03 | Jayce^ | I do admit, that bay loaded sub was amazing... |
| 19:13.10 | art | oh yeah. |
| 19:13.13 | Hanuman_work | tensai: everyone was all of the sudden logged off but you, me, and art - was just seeing where you are located |
| 19:13.16 | art | it was pretty darn sweet. |
| 19:13.42 | Jayce^ | made more of a difference than I thought it would |
| 19:14.09 | tensai | good ole netsplits |
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| 19:15.47 | art | the only thing about the subwoofer is that it made the laptop awfully thick. |
| 19:15.55 | art | I like really slim laptops. |
| 19:19.34 | hans | i swear bittorrent must be broken. I give up. |
| 19:19.54 | hans | if anyone wants to try http://hans.fugal.net/bt/sco.avi.torrent |
| 19:21.30 | hans | well someone's getting something |
| 19:21.42 | hans | but phantom doesn't. very odd. :( |
| 19:27.53 | Jayce^ | hans, can't get it |
| 19:28.49 | art | so what does everyone think of Fedora Core 1? |
| 19:28.58 | art | Is it a stable release? |
| 19:29.06 | art | should I upgrade my Redhat 9 box? |
| 19:33.10 | hans | Jayce^: http://fugal.net:6969/ it's working. |
| 19:33.26 | hans | even phantom finally downloaded it. |
| 19:39.32 | Jayce^ | never shows mine.. |
| 19:40.20 | hans | Jayce^: jacob downloaded it at work, and that's off-campus. he may be natted or something such that he doesn't help much, though |
| 19:41.21 | Jayce^ | I've got my bt downloading on my server.. |
| 19:41.25 | Jayce^ | I can do other torrents.. |
| 19:41.54 | hans | maybe a version incompatibility? i'm 3.3 |
| 19:43.05 | Jayce^ | not sure what versio I"m at.. just installed it the other day |
| 19:43.42 | hans | ~bittorrent |
| 19:43.55 | hans | ibot, bittorrent is a great idea but needs a lot of work |
| 19:43.56 | | hans: okay |
| 19:44.29 | hans | Jayce^: just leave it I guess. maybe something will happen later and it'll kick in. |
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| 19:45.18 | Hanuman_work | What does it mean when your /. submission has been pending for almost 3 days? |
| 19:47.22 | hans | they forgot about you |
| 19:47.44 | Jayce^ | they don't like you |
| 19:48.06 | hans | you should annoyingly pester until they reject it |
| 19:49.09 | hans | or maybe ibot's been trash-talking to them about you |
| 19:49.12 | Hanuman_work | lol |
| 19:49.19 | Hanuman_work | ibot would do that, wouldn't it? |
| 19:49.21 | | Hanuman_work: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:49.39 | Hanuman_work | sure, place innocent ibot - I know how it is |
| 19:49.45 | Hanuman_work | s/place/play/ |
| 19:50.01 | Hanuman_work | if 8-ball were here, he would tell the truth |
| 19:50.15 | emcnabb | I just rode a Segway |
| 19:50.19 | emcnabb | it was cool |
| 19:50.30 | Hanuman_work | ~lart emcnabb |
| 19:50.35 | Hanuman_work | how did you get to do that? |
| 19:50.51 | Jayce^ | they are fun |
| 19:51.02 | emcnabb | they had a presentation on campus and I met the guy in the parking lot afterwards |
| 19:51.33 | hans | dang I've missed another forum. :( sometimes I hate being over here in the clyde |
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| 19:52.16 | emcnabb | hans, it was the coolest forum I've been to yet |
| 19:52.30 | hans | dang |
| 19:52.43 | Hanuman_work | ~lart emcnabb |
| 19:52.53 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap Hanuman_work |
| 19:52.56 | | ACTION slaps Hanuman_work upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:53.02 | Hanuman_work | My Aunt's brother was one of the engineers for the segway |
| 19:53.21 | Hanuman_work | he brought one over just for the family and they rode it around their ward building even before the segway was out |
| 19:53.21 | emcnabb | very cool |
| 19:53.27 | emcnabb | do you know his name? |
| 19:53.47 | hans | emcnabb: it's Brother Ant |
| 19:54.02 | emcnabb | ? |
| 19:54.09 | hans | you can watch it in the theaters |
| 19:54.21 | Jayce^ | I rode one at comdex last year... was pretty fun |
| 20:00.33 | Hanuman_work | emcnabb: I don't - her maiden name is Robinson, so I am thinking the last name of the guy would be Robinson. |
| 20:00.46 | Hanuman_work | He may be a brother-in-law of hers, though - who knows |
| 20:06.48 | emcnabb | ~lart Hanuman_work |
| 20:07.09 | emcnabb | Hanuman_work, I think he is the person who spoke today |
| 20:09.12 | Hanuman_work | cool - never met him, but his Sister's one of the nicest people I know. |
| 20:10.35 | Hanuman_work | That would probably make sense since he's LDS and I think graduated from BYU |
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| 20:51.01 | torriem | ~slashdot |
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| 20:52.21 | lukfugl | anyone know of a way to map httpd process IDs to the actual request that spawned them? (eg. is there anything in the logs that tells me what processid handled a given request)? |
| 20:53.03 | Hanuman_work | I can't remember, but is it in your access_log? |
| 20:53.58 | lukfugl | not that I can see |
| 20:54.34 | lukfugl | I see requesting IP, time, request, returned status and bytes served |
| 20:54.42 | lukfugl | nothing else in the access log |
| 20:58.53 | lukfugl | how about a way of attaching to the process to try and see what it's doing? I've got a couple of apache processes that are taking over 50% of the CPU each, with lifespans of 40min+ |
| 21:00.46 | Hanuman_work | it's probably the httpd process with the userid that you started apache with - just a guess |
| 21:00.57 | Hanuman_work | other than that I'm not sure - I'd have to look into it further |
| 21:02.02 | lukfugl | well, I know the PIDs in question, and I know how to get rid of them -- restart apache -- but I want to try and diagnose the cause, because it's the fifth time today that it's happened |
| 21:02.24 | Jayce^ | are they mod_perl httpd's? |
| 21:03.12 | neybar | where do keyboard drivers get loaded? my co-workers computer stopped recognizing his keyboard.. it makes it hard to work on. |
| 21:03.26 | lukfugl | Jayce^: probably |
| 21:03.41 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, the new mod_perl book, and thusly, some of the docs cover some of that.. |
| 21:03.51 | Jayce^ | a few ways that might be useful.. |
| 21:04.13 | Jayce^ | obviously it takes a little reading to learn how/what's involved.. |
| 21:04.33 | Jayce^ | but you can use some apache packages to dump things.. or to attach to a process.. |
| 21:04.43 | Jayce^ | but attaching usually requires apache in single proc mode |
| 21:04.55 | lukfugl | not in single proc mode |
| 21:05.27 | tensai | if you have mod_status turned on then going to localhost/server-status will tell you what each process is doing |
| 21:05.32 | lukfugl | I figure it's an infinite loop somewhere, but I have no idea where without knowing what the originating request is -- that should (hopefully) be sufficient information |
| 21:05.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, everything I can think of will require you to have stuff set up ahead of time |
| 21:06.04 | lukfugl | well, I can turn mod_status on and restart apache -- I'm fairly certain the problem will come back |
| 21:06.20 | tensai | that's my recommendation |
| 21:07.07 | Jayce^ | ditto.. |
| 21:07.22 | Jayce^ | there are some other tools for breaking down what's getting called, giving you dumps, etc.. |
| 21:07.26 | Jayce^ | they can help a lot too.. |
| 21:07.45 | Jayce^ | status uses some of them, but far from all |
| 21:08.12 | Jayce^ | and you can attach the perl debugger to a mod_perl process.. interactive web debugging baby |
| 21:08.21 | lukfugl | tensai: tensai: what url would I use to get to that server status page? (from the conf file, it looks likeI should already have mod_status on) |
| 21:09.00 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, you need to map it to a location handler.. like /server-status |
| 21:09.24 | lukfugl | Jayce^: ok, I'll go look it up in the apache docs |
| 21:09.33 | lukfugl | thx, I'll let you know if I hace any other questions |
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| 21:11.39 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/debug.html#mod_status |
| 21:11.55 | Jayce^ | or if you are using 2, it's similar, just look for the v2 docs |
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| 21:14.13 | Hanuman | !a segway |
| 21:14.31 | Hanuman | !google "Jesse Stay" |
| 21:14.32 | \usr\bin\perl | Results for "Jesse Stay" on Google: |
| 21:14.32 | \usr\bin\perl | http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/5/26/114226 |
| 21:14.32 | \usr\bin\perl | http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/ |
| 21:14.35 | \usr\bin\perl | -- |
| 21:14.40 | Hanuman | oo - that can be annoying |
| 21:15.15 | Hanuman | well, I guess it can work |
| 21:15.27 | Hanuman | 8-ball: should we keep it that way? |
| 21:15.27 | \usr\bin\perl | Hanuman: 8-ball says: My sources say no |
| 21:15.35 | Hanuman | I think I will anyway |
| 21:16.14 | Hanuman | !ice cream |
| 21:16.40 | Hanuman | !\usr\bin\perl |
| 21:16.55 | Hanuman | !emcnabb |
| 21:17.01 | Hanuman | it's not supposed to do that |
| 21:17.30 | Hanuman | !Hanuman |
| 21:17.30 | \usr\bin\perl | get yourself? |
| 21:17.34 | Hanuman | okay - I get it now |
| 21:17.58 | Hanuman | !a decent internet connection |
| 21:18.39 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.39 | Hanuman | |_ _| | | ___ __ __ ___ __ _ ___ __ (_)(_)| | |
| 21:18.39 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.39 | Hanuman | |___| |_|\___/ \_/ \___| \__,_|/__/\__||_||_|(_) |
| 21:18.51 | Hanuman | .. -.-. .- -. ... .--. . .- -.- -- --- .-. ... . |
| 21:22.30 | torriem | I have just been playing with Keith Packards extensions to his kdrive server to add things like true transparency and alpha channel to X without breaking the X11 core protocol. It's really cool. Right now I can only use the Xvesa driver, which is really slow, but oddly enough with transparency and shadows turned on, it becomes an order of magnitude faster. This is impressive stuff. Much more than just eye candy |
| 21:23.29 | Hanuman | is that off freedesktop.org? |
| 21:23.46 | Hanuman | from the /. article yesterday? |
| 21:27.27 | torriem | Hanuman: yeah |
| 21:27.31 | torriem | http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/XserverInstallGuide |
| 21:29.12 | Jayce^ | so does that add on to your exising x+driver or is a it a separate driver |
| 21:30.15 | Hanuman | it was being /.'ed yesterday so I couldn't check it out |
| 21:33.18 | Hanuman | btw \usr\bin\perl will talk to you when he is away if you /msg him |
| 21:35.20 | torriem | Jayce^: IT's a separate X server right now, originally created for use on small devices (it's very small). |
| 21:35.42 | torriem | Jayce^: Keith is using it as a test bed to develope the extensions that make the compositing work. |
| 21:35.50 | Jayce^ | cool.. |
| 21:36.00 | torriem | This is true transparency we're taking about here. Even a movie playing would show through properly |
| 21:36.32 | levi | Old hat to people used to OS X, but still cool. ;) |
| 21:37.06 | levi | Is there some kind of backing store/double buffering so graphics don't tear when you drag things over them? |
| 21:37.52 | torriem | levi: Actually the extensions Keith Packard is working on are more flexible and more powerful than Quartz's alpha-blending capabilities |
| 21:38.52 | torriem | As for double-buffering, sort of. Actually, as Keith pointed out double-buffering (which is what XdirectFB and OS X do) doesn't work well in a nest-window environment. His solution is far more elegant and potentially just as fast or faster. |
| 21:38.55 | levi | torriem: Yeah, I read the page, etc. I'm still curious about whether dragging windows around over other windows still makes a mess, though. |
| 21:39.09 | torriem | I can't say since Xvesa is slow anyway. |
| 21:39.36 | torriem | Windows do drag smoother, though. The combination of the XDamage protocol and the composite manager seems to make it appear much smoother (even though it may not be) |
| 21:39.57 | levi | Well, it shouldn't matter. If something like that is implemented, you'd get things jerking around, but they'd always be drawn with their correct contents. |
| 21:40.18 | torriem | yeah |
| 21:40.43 | levi | Now, if I drag a window around over a GTK window, I get a 'trail' of copies of the top window in the bottom one. |
| 21:40.48 | Hanuman | !just testing |
| 21:40.51 | Hanuman | cool |
| 21:41.05 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl is now a friend-bot of ibot |
| 21:41.10 | torriem | Apparently Keith as saying on the irc last night that things like true matrix tranforms (warping -- genie effect) and expose-type effects are supported. |
| 21:41.16 | Hanuman | as long as my internet connection stays alive |
| 21:41.48 | torriem | levi, Xdamage helps to minimize the redraws, so that alone will greatly help |
| 21:42.00 | Hanuman | \usr\bin\perl: how are you? |
| 21:42.19 | Hanuman | okay - requires a msg then |
| 21:42.28 | levi | torriem: Is it working well enough to use full-time, or is it just in demo-worthy phase now? |
| 21:43.29 | torriem | I'm going to try to get it running full time. the only thing that's stopping me right now is Xvesa being so slow (can't get Xnvidia to work just yet) and xinerama. These things are supposed to work |
| 21:44.59 | levi | Is there an mga driver? I thought I remembered seeing that. |
| 21:46.13 | torriem | Don't know off hand |
| 21:46.30 | torriem | I thought I once saw a i810 driver too. |
| 21:46.43 | torriem | Keith's goal is to produce some patches to XFree86. That will be awesome. Probably by christmas |
| 21:47.12 | levi | Ah, yes, there is a Matrox driver. |
| 21:47.17 | levi | I'll have to try it out. |
| 21:48.56 | torriem | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~torriem/coolshot.png |
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| 21:50.21 | Jayce^ | cool.. |
| 21:50.35 | Jayce^ | right now I do that with the xrender, etc... and it's ok, but this is my beefy box.. |
| 21:50.40 | Jayce^ | wouldn't touch it on my others.. |
| 21:52.53 | torriem | Jayce^: xrender is actually used to do the alphablending onto the screen. However in KDE, you can't have real transparency. Just fake. |
| 21:53.32 | torriem | Jayce^: If you look in my image underneath the main menu, you'll see a terminal window running a clock. Everytime the clock updates you see it through the menu. |
| 21:53.33 | Jayce^ | right |
| 21:53.51 | Jayce^ | kde is snapshot transparency |
| 21:53.55 | torriem | Yeah |
| 21:54.46 | torriem | These extensions also add the ability to use a 32-bit color and have 8-bits automatically seen as alpha channel by the composite manager. A new color model, essentially. This gets you a lot of features for free, like real transparent terminals |
| 21:54.52 | levi | torriem: What do you have to do to enable the transparency and drop shadows after switching X servers? |
| 21:55.02 | torriem | Turn on the xcompmgr. |
| 21:55.06 | torriem | It does everything. |
| 21:55.29 | torriem | It's just a demo of what can be done, so it's rather arbitrary (shadow size, transparency level, etc). |
| 21:56.00 | torriem | In the future this will be controlled from the desktop environment. Just like the desktop often provides a window manager, now it can provide a composite manager in the same fashion. |
| 21:56.02 | torriem | Cool concept. |
| 21:56.26 | torriem | In 6 months or less, we'll see beta versions of gnome-panel and metacity that support the genie effect and expose-type choosing |
| 21:56.26 | levi | Yeah, it is pretty slick. |
| 21:59.58 | levi | So, is this freedesktop.org xserver the same thing as kdrive? |
| 22:01.56 | torriem | it is kdrive |
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| 22:08.21 | torriem | darn gaim. Crashed on me. |
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| 22:14.58 | jakea | he he, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33957.html |
| 22:15.08 | jakea | It's hard to see what SCO hopes to discover from Stallman, who wrote the GPL but contributed no kernel code. Perhaps they're specifically targeting EMACS? |
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| 22:42.11 | jakea | sjansen! |
| 22:42.17 | jakea | HarleyPig! |
| 22:44.14 | torriem | ibot, what is mcbride |
| 22:44.16 | | [mcbride] a self-serving, unethical, lying, thieving CEO who is pumping his stock so he can dump it. |
| 22:44.25 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 22:44.52 | torriem | ~contents string.h |
| 22:46.12 | torriem | ibot, what is vim? |
| 22:46.13 | | i heard vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need, or the official editor of #utah :) |
| 22:46.29 | torriem | ibot, what is emacs? |
| 22:46.31 | | from memory, emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used, or almost jove on the familiar system, or pretty useful |
| 22:50.59 | sjansen | Ah, good old RMS. You can always count on him to harp on the same old things. |
| 22:51.09 | sjansen | Just finished the Forbes article. |
| 22:58.18 | jakea | McBride and SCO must be smoking something |
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