| 00:01.35 | hans | debian-installer is in beta now |
| 00:02.43 | jsmith | What? A real installer for Debian?!? Get out... :-) |
| 00:02.46 | hans | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:03.02 | jsmith | Almost makes me want to try it out... almost... |
| 00:03.11 | hans | "There are still some problems and rough edges (see the TODO [1] if you want |
| 00:03.11 | hans | to help out), but in general, what we need most now is broad testing. That |
| 00:03.11 | hans | is why we want users to help us by testing this beta." |
| 00:03.35 | jsmith | I deal with enough beta software as it is... |
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| 00:51.23 | hans | ~lart watermelons |
| 00:51.32 | Jayce^ | uhh |
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| 00:58.04 | levi | Man, the default KDE window manager is so much faster than the default Gnome window manager. |
| 00:59.10 | Jayce^ | whew.. sjansen isn't in to defend gnome :) |
| 01:02.00 | levi | Well, there's nothing to defend. It's clearly slower. |
| 01:02.21 | levi | Switching virtual desktops is painful. |
| 01:02.52 | hans | <sjansen> bah, slower is clearly a subjective criteria for 1337n3ss |
| 01:03.52 | levi | Heh. |
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| 01:11.20 | Dlugar | Bah, why don't you just use Enlightenment? |
| 01:11.30 | Dlugar | Faster than either Gnome or KDE, and more configurable, too. |
| 01:11.34 | Dlugar | And pretty :-) |
| 01:11.54 | jakea | I tried enlightenment for a week, it had it's good points, but I still prefer KDE |
| 01:12.14 | Jayce^ | use e for a good year and a half... then went to kde |
| 01:12.16 | Dlugar | The problem with Enlightenment is that "out of the box" it's not so great, |
| 01:12.24 | Dlugar | I always have to configure the heck out of it |
| 01:12.32 | jakea | ya, I played with configs a lot |
| 01:12.32 | Dlugar | until it gets to the point that I'm "in the zone". |
| 01:12.46 | Dlugar | I can't use anything else anymore :-P |
| 01:13.23 | Dlugar | jakea: incidentally, what do you like more about KDE? |
| 01:13.44 | Dlugar | just curious about "what makes a good window manager" to people. |
| 01:13.59 | Dlugar | Linux UI seems like it needs a lot of work in a lot of areas, |
| 01:14.06 | Dlugar | and that's something I'm highly interested in. |
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| 01:14.32 | Dlugar | uh oh ... he's here ... |
| 01:14.44 | Dlugar | shush about that gnome-bashing, guys. |
| 01:15.23 | sjansen | Gnome bashing?! |
| 01:15.31 | Dlugar | It wasn't me, I promise! |
| 01:15.33 | jakea | I like how KDE "lines up" windows when you try to move them next to each other |
| 01:15.43 | sjansen | Why I oughta to... I ought to... |
| 01:15.56 | jakea | (Dlugar) i'm just listing as I think of them) |
| 01:16.02 | sjansen | And I will, viu! |
| 01:16.07 | Dlugar | *nod* |
| 01:16.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, was just wondering.. we had halcrow in for a while, then we are now bashing gnome.. perfect day for you to be here |
| 01:16.39 | jakea | I do think the bar at the bottom (top/left/right) is very nice |
| 01:16.41 | Jayce^ | sjansen, viu |
| 01:16.53 | sjansen | I obviously can't spend long away and everything falls to pot. |
| 01:16.58 | Dlugar | I've got a question about that, jakea, |
| 01:17.06 | sjansen | I hope you at least gave mhalcrow a hard time about Debian. |
| 01:17.10 | jakea | difference being KDE actual trys to improve it vs windows has basically been the same since 95 |
| 01:17.12 | Dlugar | what in particular is the bar useful for, to you? |
| 01:17.23 | Dlugar | I've lived without a bar for so long, |
| 01:17.30 | Dlugar | I forget what things are useful... |
| 01:17.39 | jakea | switching desktops is easy |
| 01:17.55 | Dlugar | I've been reading a lot of stuff about Mac UI, too. |
| 01:17.57 | jakea | I run little applets on it |
| 01:18.17 | jakea | which I wish has as many options as enlightenment actually |
| 01:18.17 | Dlugar | would it be not-as-nice if the applets were free-standing, |
| 01:18.26 | sjansen | Dlugar: On my _gnome_ desktop, I like to have a pager, a box to enter quick commands, system monitors (including wireless and batter), volume control, date, and the log out button |
| 01:18.30 | Dlugar | like the Pagers in Enlightenment, for instance, |
| 01:18.32 | jakea | I prefer to have them all in one place |
| 01:18.42 | Dlugar | *nod* I have mine all in one place, too, |
| 01:18.49 | jakea | ya, and those are *mostly* in KDE |
| 01:18.49 | hans | sjansen: gnome monitors your pancake batter? |
| 01:18.50 | Dlugar | I'm just saying would it make a difference if they didn't /have/ to be. |
| 01:18.51 | hans | wow |
| 01:19.02 | jakea | I run a weather app on my taskbar |
| 01:19.24 | jakea | and moon phase (as I should since I am an astronomer) |
| 01:19.35 | Dlugar | k, interesting. |
| 01:19.51 | Dlugar | It seems like everything you do with the taskbar, I do with gkrellm + various little pager utilities. |
| 01:19.55 | jakea | and I like icons on the desktop |
| 01:19.55 | Jayce^ | fuzzy clock... kde is all about the fuzzy clock :) |
| 01:20.01 | sjansen | And of course a notification area. |
| 01:20.03 | Dlugar | They're all lined up in the corner of my screen like a taskbar would be, |
| 01:20.16 | Dlugar | I wonder if it makes a big difference, |
| 01:20.17 | jakea | ya, I tried to do that when I ran E for a while |
| 01:20.24 | Dlugar | taskbar vs. other stuff. |
| 01:20.28 | Dlugar | What problems did you find with it? |
| 01:20.32 | Dlugar | The only thing I can think of is, |
| 01:20.35 | sjansen | Dlugar: The bar is smaller. I got sick of gkrellm taking so much space. |
| 01:20.35 | jakea | it just was not the same, I would maximize windows and it's cover them up |
| 01:20.38 | Dlugar | trying to move them around, |
| 01:20.57 | Dlugar | the taskbar would be easier to move "everything at once" so to speak. |
| 01:21.02 | Dlugar | Oh, that's a good point too, |
| 01:21.09 | Dlugar | maximizing windows would cover it up. |
| 01:21.15 | jakea | ya, drove me nuts |
| 01:21.24 | Dlugar | I never maximize windows, |
| 01:21.27 | Dlugar | maybe that's why. Hm. |
| 01:21.37 | jakea | vs the taskbar, it's all in one spot, and it knows not to cover it |
| 01:21.41 | jakea | unless you tell it to |
| 01:21.43 | Dlugar | sjansen: I find the taskbar takes up more space than gkrellm, |
| 01:22.01 | Dlugar | that is, if the taskbar as all the "krellms" that gkrellm does, |
| 01:22.08 | jakea | I like to have icons on the desktop |
| 01:22.10 | Dlugar | system monitors, moon phase display, etc. :-) |
| 01:22.14 | jakea | E doesn't have that |
| 01:22.19 | Dlugar | okay, that's a good one ... |
| 01:22.24 | Dlugar | what do you use icons on the desktop for? |
| 01:22.26 | jakea | and don't give me the "it looks like windows" crap |
| 01:22.35 | jakea | windows didn't think of it first |
| 01:22.44 | Dlugar | No, no, I'm not in a "prescriptivist" mood right now :-) |
| 01:22.49 | jakea | heh |
| 01:22.54 | Dlugar | I'm just interested in hearing your opinions, neither "right" nor "wrong". |
| 01:22.59 | jakea | ya |
| 01:23.00 | Dlugar | The customer is always right, neh? |
| 01:23.23 | jakea | I just get the "icons on the desktop is like windows" stuff from some E users friends |
| 01:23.28 | sjansen | Dlugar: You got to have an unholy large taskbar for it to take more space than grkellm. |
| 01:23.48 | jakea | the one thing I wish I could do is have different icons on different desktops, that's be cool |
| 01:24.03 | Dlugar | I'm just interested in what you /use/ them for. |
| 01:24.03 | jakea | -s+d |
| 01:24.10 | Dlugar | I never use icons on the desktop in Windows, |
| 01:24.15 | Dlugar | and of course I don't use them in E, so ... |
| 01:24.22 | levi | sjansen: This whole 'gnome-bashing' thing started 'cause I just switched back to KDE after a brief foray into gnome territory. |
| 01:24.38 | sjansen | Traitors! You're all traitors! |
| 01:24.39 | levi | sjansen: Mainly because I found the default Gnome window manager to suck. |
| 01:24.45 | jakea | it's the freedom to use what suits you is what I love about it |
| 01:24.51 | jakea | KDE, Gnome, E, whatever |
| 01:25.02 | levi | sjansen: And, as I'm using gentoo, I didn't feel like compiling another one. |
| 01:25.24 | Jayce^ | speaking of switching.. anybody ever try kopete? |
| 01:25.31 | sjansen | I kinda like metacity now that I've accepted the whole "no crack" approach. It's simple and functional. |
| 01:25.33 | Dlugar | Do you normally use desktop icons just for launching programs? |
| 01:25.51 | levi | sjansen: It's not the simplicity that bothered me. I don't mind that. It's the fact that it was dog slow when switching desktops. |
| 01:26.14 | sjansen | I thought you were using gentoo. ;-) |
| 01:26.23 | jakea | ya, I use them fr launching *most* programs |
| 01:26.31 | levi | sjansen: What's that got to do with anything? |
| 01:26.36 | jakea | mozilla, kmail, openoffice, etc |
| 01:26.48 | jakea | but I still use command line a lot |
| 01:26.48 | sjansen | levi: I thought gentoo was _always_ fast. ;-) |
| 01:27.05 | jakea | urpmi, emacs, vi, latex, etc |
| 01:27.14 | levi | sjansen: Bah, I'm not a gentoo fanatic. I just wanted to try it out, and now it would be too much work to switch. |
| 01:27.26 | Dlugar | jakea: how's that different from E's "desktop menu"? |
| 01:27.35 | Dlugar | are icons more/less convenient, and why? |
| 01:27.42 | levi | sjansen: What do you use, if not gentoo or Debian? |
| 01:27.46 | Dlugar | Just prettier? |
| 01:27.57 | sjansen | Redhat, although I kinda miss Gentoo. |
| 01:28.05 | jakea | Dlugar: KDE, go to empty desktop, click once on icon |
| 01:28.35 | jakea | emcnabb: Go to menu (middle click) search around, find what you need, mess up, do it again... |
| 01:28.39 | jakea | er |
| 01:28.43 | jakea | no emcnabb |
| 01:28.46 | jakea | +t |
| 01:28.53 | jakea | dunno why I typed that |
| 01:29.08 | jakea | should have been just "E" |
| 01:29.15 | levi | I haven't used Redhat in a long time. Wasn't ever terribly impressed with it. |
| 01:29.21 | Dlugar | jake: it's the left mouse button, actually, |
| 01:29.30 | jakea | ya.... one of them |
| 01:29.31 | Dlugar | and you can have things in the top-level menu, |
| 01:29.38 | jakea | ya, I could |
| 01:29.52 | Dlugar | so, *shrug* I dunno, to me it just seems about the same. |
| 01:29.53 | jakea | I try not to use the menu on KDE too |
| 01:30.07 | jakea | if I use the program a lot, I make an icon for it |
| 01:30.09 | levi | I stick everything in a KDE menu bar across the top of the screen. |
| 01:30.30 | jakea | like I said, it's just a matter of preference |
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| 01:30.37 | Jayce^ | Pil 'eh? |
| 01:30.41 | levi | And it's sized down to the 'tiny' size. |
| 01:30.42 | Dlugar | ok, cool. |
| 01:30.50 | jakea | and in linux, you have that option |
| 01:31.15 | Dlugar | Just trying to figure out if there are any advantages to having icons on the desktop, |
| 01:31.21 | jakea | I do wish there was more applets I could run on the KDE taskbar that were nice and tiny like E's |
| 01:31.27 | Dlugar | for my hypothetical Uber-UI. |
| 01:31.33 | jakea | a program is one click away |
| 01:31.56 | Dlugar | well, like you say, you still have to /find/ the desktop, |
| 01:31.59 | Dlugar | so that seems like two to me, |
| 01:32.02 | Dlugar | which is the same as E. |
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| 01:32.08 | Dlugar | two clicks = two clicks. |
| 01:32.23 | jakea | not if you arrange them so you know where they are |
| 01:32.27 | jakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.41 | Dlugar | You mean in KDE? |
| 01:32.50 | jakea | mozilla, kmail, gaim, etc in one row on the desktop... |
| 01:32.55 | jakea | etc... |
| 01:32.56 | jakea | ya, KDE |
| 01:33.00 | Dlugar | What I mean is, what if the desktop is covered by an application? |
| 01:33.07 | Dlugar | You still have to "show desktop" somehow, |
| 01:33.16 | jakea | I have my ways |
| 01:33.17 | Dlugar | which to me takes a "click" or at least a keystroke. |
| 01:33.22 | jakea | desktop 1: command line |
| 01:33.28 | jakea | desktop 2: mail |
| 01:33.40 | jakea | desktop 7 and 8: xchat / gaim |
| 01:33.53 | Jayce^ | jakea uses desktops like me |
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| 01:34.22 | jakea | and I configure the taskbar so only those programs that are open on the desktop I am on show up |
| 01:34.34 | jakea | so it's not cluttered |
| 01:34.40 | Dlugar | jakea: I'm afraid I'm missing the point... |
| 01:34.45 | Jayce^ | 1: web, 2: cli, 3: vim, 4: mail, 5: chats, 6: media (music,other) |
| 01:34.47 | Dlugar | do you mean the icons are always visible? |
| 01:35.11 | Dlugar | I've always got a web browser open, and that would already kill most of the screen real-estate. |
| 01:35.22 | Dlugar | I've almost always got every virtual desktop completely filled. |
| 01:35.31 | jakea | me too |
| 01:35.36 | Dlugar | I use mine slightly differently, though. |
| 01:35.37 | jakea | I just know which one it is |
| 01:35.39 | Jayce^ | Dlugar, I've usually got the apps I need already open in a specific desktop |
| 01:35.48 | Jayce^ | with one "spare" for other.. |
| 01:35.51 | Dlugar | usually I'll have a web browser in one, and then specific applications in others, |
| 01:35.59 | Jayce^ | course, running duallies, I have a little more real estate |
| 01:36.02 | Dlugar | and gaim/xmms/gkrellm are all sticky. |
| 01:36.20 | jakea | desktop 2 is where I open kmail, so if I need to go to it, I click on desktop 2 in the taskbar |
| 01:36.57 | jakea | I find it works for me |
| 01:37.04 | Dlugar | jakea: so what you're saying is that you never have to /use/ the icons, 'cos everything's already open? |
| 01:37.20 | Dlugar | I'm still not seeing how you're managing to click the icons with a single click, |
| 01:37.30 | Dlugar | without having to click to move to an open Desktop, |
| 01:37.38 | jakea | well ya, you are right |
| 01:37.44 | Dlugar | or click/type something to minimize windows. |
| 01:37.48 | jakea | so... two clicks |
| 01:38.11 | jakea | one to get to an empty desktop, one for the program |
| 01:38.14 | Dlugar | okay, it's interesting though, |
| 01:38.22 | Dlugar | that you seem to want icons on the desktop. |
| 01:38.28 | Dlugar | Hmmm ... |
| 01:38.49 | jakea | i prefer it over launching them in a command line |
| 01:39.14 | Dlugar | But would you prefer that over launching them via a root-level click-anywhere E-type menu? |
| 01:39.27 | Dlugar | Or do you think it'd be about the same? |
| 01:39.41 | jakea | open a command line.... type.... nothing happens... oh, my mouse needs to be over the stupid window.... move mouse.... run program... oh crap, I forget to type the &.... |
| 01:39.48 | Dlugar | Say, if KDE had E-type menus and no desktop icons, |
| 01:39.58 | Dlugar | but there were some alternative utility to reverse it, |
| 01:40.07 | jakea | no, I don't like menus in either... |
| 01:40.09 | Dlugar | would you bother? Or would you just get used to the E-type menus? |
| 01:40.18 | jakea | if I use a program a lot, it get an icon on my desktop |
| 01:40.22 | Dlugar | So you'd definitely go for the desktop icon? |
| 01:40.37 | jakea | although KDE menus (in Mandrake) makes it easy to find programs if needed |
| 01:41.03 | jakea | Red Hat KDE menus are messed, but that's not suprising |
| 01:41.20 | Dlugar | heh, yeah. |
| 01:41.34 | Dlugar | well, anyways, I'm going to go eat some dinner. |
| 01:41.39 | jakea | I prefer to have the option of making an icon |
| 01:41.43 | Dlugar | thanks for the input. |
| 01:41.45 | jakea | np |
| 01:41.54 | jakea | key word is option |
| 01:41.58 | Dlugar | I'll remember you when I make my Uber-Leet Desktop software someday ;-) |
| 01:42.06 | jakea | heh, okay |
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| 01:51.47 | HarleyPi1 | regex question if anyone's willing to take a stab at it. |
| 01:52.17 | HarleyPi1 | I have a the following text: <td><input type="text" name="variable" value="<<variable>>"></td> |
| 01:52.45 | HarleyPi1 | I want to replace <input...> with a value. |
| 01:53.15 | HarleyPi1 | I'm thinking the 'lookaround' available in perl, but I'm running into problems. |
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| 01:53.59 | HarleyPi1 | $t =~ s!<input.*?name=(["'])colleagueid\1.*?(?!>)>(?!>)!$newvariable!ig; |
| 01:54.07 | HarleyPi1 | gives me no change. |
| 01:54.25 | levi_ | Ahh, back in Aqua bliss. |
| 01:54.32 | HarleyPi1 | :] |
| 01:54.35 | HarleyPi1 | Any ideas? |
| 01:56.58 | sjansen | HarleyPi1: Are you actually likely to have > inside one of the values? And how robust does this need to be? |
| 01:57.17 | HarleyPi1 | Very likely ... it's a template file. |
| 01:57.23 | sjansen | Bummer. |
| 01:57.47 | HarleyPi1 | I'm going to ASSume (force) the designer put ' or " around values. |
| 01:58.04 | HarleyPi1 | hmmm ... I might be able to use that. |
| 01:58.42 | HarleyPi1 | so >(?!>'") instead of (?!>)>(?!>). |
| 01:59.19 | HarleyPi1 | Nope. That gives me 1>"> |
| 02:00.35 | HarleyPi1 | and (?!>)>(?!>'") changes nothing. |
| 02:03.01 | HarleyPi1 | Ooops. ?! is lookahead... I forgot ?< is lookbehind. |
| 02:04.06 | HarleyPi1 | That did it. |
| 02:04.28 | HarleyPi1 | $t =~ s!<input.*?name=(["'])colleagueid\1.*?(?<!>)>(?!>)!$newvariable!ig; |
| 02:05.12 | Jayce^ | HarleyPi1 doesn't know whether he's coming or going :) |
| 02:06.49 | Jayce^ | plug meeting tomorrow folks.. |
| 02:07.00 | Jayce^ | hope to get a description up on the list/page tonight |
| 02:07.08 | Jayce^ | please note, new location |
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| 02:08.26 | HarleyPi1 | A really good regex site: http://www.regular-expressions.info |
| 02:10.39 | HarleyPi1 | Cool! |
| 02:11.14 | HarleyPi1 | $sometext =~ /(some)(regex)(with)(lots)(of)(parens)/; |
| 02:11.25 | HarleyPi1 | my @matches = @-; |
| 02:11.40 | HarleyPi1 | $matches[1] = $1 ... etc. |
| 02:12.19 | HarleyPi1 | Or, by extension, if you don't want to access an array for matches: |
| 02:12.30 | HarleyPi1 | my ( $one, $two, $three ) = @-; |
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| 02:26.30 | uugDave | I just got some great news and I've got to tell someone. No place like #utah. A Debian maintainer just mailed to say that he is going to include phpLDAPadmin in Debian! :) |
| 02:26.48 | Dlugar | Congrats :-) |
| 02:28.39 | hans | uugDave: congratulations :) |
| 02:29.04 | jason_u | Cool! |
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| 02:34.33 | uugDave | Yikes, a little kickage. Sorry. Did you guys see my query about an Italian speaker? |
| 02:34.51 | Dlugar | on the list? or where? |
| 02:35.01 | uugDave | Here. |
| 02:35.06 | uugDave | Guess not :) |
| 02:35.14 | Dlugar | errr ... |
| 02:35.22 | Dlugar | heh. |
| 02:35.27 | uugDave | Here it is: Any Italian speakers here willing to adopt an abandoned Italian translation file for phpLDAPadmin? |
| 02:35.51 | Dlugar | Sorry, I no speaka Italiano. |
| 02:35.54 | sjansen | uugDave: Congrats. |
| 02:36.00 | uugDave | Dlugar: Hired! |
| 02:36.09 | Dlugar | lol. |
| 02:36.24 | Dlugar | I took high school Spanish, a year of Latin, and my parents speak French ... |
| 02:36.33 | Dlugar | I could probably fake my way through most Italian ;-) |
| 02:36.38 | uugDave | Oh!! A Latin translation! |
| 02:36.39 | uugDave | Willing? |
| 02:36.43 | uugDave | That would be soooo awesome! |
| 02:36.53 | Dlugar | hehe. |
| 02:36.55 | uugDave | Anyone want to maintain the Redneck and Elmer Fudd translations? |
| 02:37.22 | Dlugar | I could offer an Arabic translation, but that's about it. Sorries. |
| 02:37.25 | uugDave | If I had even less of a life than I already (don't) have, I would definitely maintain funny translations like that. Too bad I'm not in High School anymore. |
| 02:37.54 | uugDave | We don't have Arabic. If you've got the time, I think it would be appreciated... Not sure if we have any Arabic users... |
| 02:38.29 | sjansen | You could try buggin Jon D. if he's still on the list. |
| 02:38.35 | Dlugar | How much text is there to translate? And is it unicode-compliant? |
| 02:38.42 | Dlugar | this is all php-based, right? |
| 02:38.47 | Dlugar | I've heard stories about php's unicode support ... |
| 02:38.59 | uugDave | yeah, all PHP but your files can be in any encoding you want. We translate it all to "HTML unicode" via GNU recode. |
| 02:39.05 | uugDave | \ |
| 02:39.13 | sjansen | uugDave: Bug report. The little plus signs on your web site aren't links. |
| 02:39.15 | Dlugar | gnu recode? That sounds interesting ... |
| 02:39.23 | Dlugar | sounds like something I've been looking for, actually ... |
| 02:39.29 | uugDave | It's veeery nice. |
| 02:39.39 | Dlugar | does it take unicode text files and translates it into the ampersand-number-semicolon HTML thingies? |
| 02:39.43 | sjansen | Sadly, it isn't standard to most installs. |
| 02:39.44 | uugDave | We can convert any file in just about any encoding (charset) to HTML unicode;. |
| 02:39.59 | sjansen | Or do you redistribute after changing encoding? |
| 02:40.13 | uugDave | I have a Makefile which "recodes" every translation file, then distributes those. |
| 02:40.28 | uugDave | I robbed it from phpPgAdmin, made some improvements (and got them accepted back into phpPgAdmin). |
| 02:40.42 | Dlugar | The joy of open source :-) |
| 02:41.36 | Dlugar | (Or should that be, "apt-get install recode"s?) |
| 02:42.01 | uugDave | hehe |
| 02:42.14 | sjansen | uugDave: So how does one go about translating phpLdapAdmin? |
| 02:42.22 | Dlugar | hm. hang it all, it's having problems connecting. |
| 02:42.35 | uugDave | Start with lang/en.php and translate all the strings to lang/yourlang.php and submit. |
| 02:42.46 | uugDave | Where yourlang is the two-char abbreviation for your language. |
| 02:43.02 | uugDave | What's the abbrev for Portuguese, sjansen? |
| 02:43.20 | sjansen | pt |
| 02:43.36 | uugDave | Is there a different abbrev for Brazilian Pt vs Portugal Pt? |
| 02:43.38 | sjansen | Although pt_BR/pt_br/pt-br is most common. |
| 02:43.49 | uugDave | Equally acceptable. |
| 02:43.52 | sjansen | Very few people create pt. |
| 02:44.01 | uugDave | I would prefer pt-br.php if you are offering :) |
| 02:44.10 | sjansen | Thinking about it. |
| 02:44.38 | Dlugar | is ayo.freshrpms.net down? |
| 02:44.39 | uugDave | It's a hefty deal to get started, several hundred strings, and we're only about 80% stringafied too (still some hard-coded English in the scripts). |
| 02:44.49 | Dlugar | apt-get won't connect ... |
| 02:45.09 | uugDave | Looks like it's not responding for me either. |
| 02:45.26 | sjansen | I can't get to it either, but the mirrors are okay. |
| 02:45.27 | Dlugar | blast. no gnu recode for me! |
| 02:45.49 | Dlugar | darn yum zealots ;-) |
| 02:46.37 | sjansen | ftp://ftp.us2.freshrpms.net/linux/freshrpms/ayo/fedora/linux/ |
| 02:46.52 | uugDave | sjansen: If you do a translation, you'll be able to see it show up here: http://cannons.dsl.xmission.com/~dsmith/phpldapadmin-devel/check_lang_files.php |
| 02:46.56 | sjansen | Go get yourself a copy of recode and yum. |
| 02:47.33 | sjansen | What, no web form for me to fill in translations? |
| 02:47.43 | uugDave | haha, nope just to mock you if you fall behind ;) |
| 02:48.21 | uugDave | I'm gonna make it real easy for them next release, build a page that determines which strings have changed since last release and check if their language's strings have also changed, and report. Should be c00l. |
| 02:49.48 | sjansen | Alright, 7pt ProFont! Now we're cooking. |
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| 02:55.18 | uugDave | sjansen: did you find ProFont on "Joel on Software" like I just did recently? |
| 02:55.50 | uugDave | (by the way, at that font size, the only things that are gonna be cooking are your retinas) |
| 02:56.44 | sjansen | Yes, I found out about it from Joel. Gotta say he was right about how wonderful it is. |
| 02:57.13 | sjansen | On my 1024x768 monitor, 7pt is beautifully small and readable. If I had a nicer monitor I'm sure it would need to be larger. |
| 02:58.31 | sjansen | uugDave: Oo, ick, you include html in your error strings. |
| 03:01.09 | Dlugar | What is this "pro font" thing of which you speak? |
| 03:01.10 | sjansen | uugDave: You probably also want to consider s/ferror_nonfatil_bug/ferror_nonfatal_bug/ |
| 03:01.46 | sjansen | Dlugar: http://joelonsoftware.com/items/2003/11/06.html |
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| 03:03.00 | sjansen | art: As in Moore? |
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| 03:12.15 | art | yeah sorry, it's me. |
| 03:12.40 | art | I'm troubleshooting a problem with my laptop. |
| 03:12.46 | art | it keeps freezing up. |
| 03:12.56 | art | still there sjansen? |
| 03:14.55 | sjansen | art: Coming and going. |
| 03:15.14 | art | sjansen:cool. |
| 03:15.25 | art | is anyone out there using gnome 2.4 on debian unstable |
| 03:15.26 | art | ? |
| 03:15.39 | art | my computer is freezing up, and I think it Gnome. |
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| 03:23.46 | hans | art: I have it installed but don't use it |
| 03:24.07 | art | well I just updated gnome-core and gnome-desktop and it looks like I'm alright. |
| 03:24.24 | art | I installed xchat yesterday, and I think it messed with some libraries. |
| 03:24.24 | hans | thought my wife might dig it, but she's happier with WindowMaker. That must be why I married her. |
| 03:24.40 | art | that's definately cool. |
| 03:25.19 | art | I used windowmaker for a few months. |
| 03:25.26 | art | couldn't get it to work for me. |
| 03:25.42 | Dlugar | Enlightenment is your friend ... |
| 03:25.53 | Dlugar | Enlightenment ... is your friend ... |
| 03:25.59 | art | tried that too. |
| 03:26.08 | art | I just keep going back to gnome. |
| 03:26.17 | art | I think I've tried almost everything. |
| 03:26.19 | Dlugar | You just have to set it up properly. |
| 03:26.21 | art | ask stuart. |
| 03:26.24 | art | maybe so. |
| 03:26.26 | Dlugar | Enlightenment's defaults are really lousy, imho. |
| 03:26.33 | art | agreed. |
| 03:26.56 | uugDave | sjansen: About that type you mentioned, I didn't do a lot of the localizing. |
| 03:27.00 | uugDave | I delegated. :) |
| 03:27.08 | uugDave | Now I'll have to do it right later. :) |
| 03:27.24 | Dlugar | i'll send you an excellent theme (of my own tweaking), and tell you how to fix it up to be the Best Window Manager Ever! |
| 03:29.38 | uugDave | sjansen: s/type/typo/ |
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| 03:32.14 | sjansen | hans: Do you know anyone who has rejected Debian/WindowMaker(and/or KDE)/FluxBox/Emacs/mp3/C++ in favor of Redhat( or Gentoo)/Gnome/Metacity/Vim/ogg/C? |
| 03:32.16 | hans | i dunno about this profont thing |
| 03:32.29 | sjansen | Now that'd be a keeper. |
| 03:33.07 | hans | hmm, well probably you have |
| 03:33.25 | hans | and it's a shame - emacs is so much more powerful than metacity. ;-) |
| 03:33.39 | hans | oh wait, misalignment :) |
| 03:33.49 | hans | i much prefer terminus |
| 03:33.54 | hans | (font) |
| 03:34.14 | Dlugar | What's wrong with "fixed"? |
| 03:34.25 | hans | it doesn't have a real small size (at least at the resolutions I run) but I find fixed is superior to this profont thing for small text |
| 03:34.37 | hans | and I like having bigger text in my editor so I don't lean over... |
| 03:35.04 | hans | but smaller text in the many xterms I spawn every day so I can get more of them on the screen without going crazy |
| 03:36.00 | hans | Dlugar: I have a windowmanager wishlist if you ever decide to do that uberwm |
| 03:36.33 | Dlugar | do you have it written down, |
| 03:36.37 | Dlugar | or just in your head somewhere? |
| 03:37.28 | hans | falcon.fugal.net/~fugalh/windowmanagers.txt |
| 03:37.40 | sjansen | hans: What is this terminus you speak of? |
| 03:38.44 | hans | sjansen: http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html |
| 03:39.56 | Dlugar | hans: what window manager do you use? |
| 03:40.00 | hans | http://uug.byu.edu/view_screenshot.php?id=103 <-- has a vim session with terminus |
| 03:40.07 | hans | wmaker |
| 03:40.23 | Dlugar | How many of those "wishlist" things does it have? |
| 03:40.32 | hans | when I wrote that I was looking at ion and fvwm. fvwm has a lot of promise but some shortcomings too |
| 03:40.47 | hans | the most of any window manager I've tried to use so far. But not all of them. |
| 03:40.56 | Dlugar | k. |
| 03:41.07 | Dlugar | Isn't the "reluctant to raise" thing standard in window managers? |
| 03:41.12 | Dlugar | I didn't know there were some that didn't have it, |
| 03:41.18 | Dlugar | or am I misunderstanding? |
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| 03:41.49 | hans | i think most do, but some are too reluctant. (e.g. miniature title bars that are impossible to click) |
| 03:42.06 | hans | many have click-anywhere-to-raise as a default which is annoying but as long as you can configure it... |
| 03:42.25 | hans | wmaker is ok at window placement but could use some work |
| 03:42.43 | hans | wmaker's dock is not as cool as fluxbox's slit |
| 03:43.00 | Dlugar | that was my next question, |
| 03:43.05 | Dlugar | what is this "slit" of which you speak? |
| 03:43.05 | Jayce^ | hey hans, what were those proxy (squid) settings you got the other day to make your proxy not open? |
| 03:43.08 | hans | wmaker's snapping is what I would call a partial implementation |
| 03:43.36 | hans | the slit will take any wmaker dock apps, and also some other programs that aren't 64x64 squares, such as gkrellm |
| 03:44.09 | hans | Jayce^: I just reverted to the standard debian config files (only localhost is allowed), and will use ssh tunneling when I have to. (as I did once again yesterday morning) |
| 03:44.23 | hans | most window managers will do mod-mouse resize/move |
| 03:44.37 | Dlugar | What do you mean by "turn off decorations for a single window"--you mean just the menubar? |
| 03:44.45 | Dlugar | titlebar, I mean. |
| 03:44.52 | hans | wmaker is the only one I've seen that will do that, unless with some serious config hacking. |
| 03:44.56 | Jayce^ | hans, hrm.. thought mine was pretty default, but I have it filtering stuff on my local net |
| 03:45.09 | hans | the default will filter all but localhost |
| 03:45.29 | hans | Dlugar: do you have wmaker installed? |
| 03:45.39 | Dlugar | I'm not sure ... let me check. |
| 03:45.43 | hans | right-click on a titlebar and click on attributes |
| 03:46.23 | hans | all that stuff you can set per-application, per-class, or for all windows. you can also set it for an existing window without making it apply to all future windows of that class/type/whatever |
| 03:46.27 | Dlugar | no, it doesn't look like it. |
| 03:46.35 | hans | i'll take some screenshots then. |
| 03:46.45 | Dlugar | I imagine it's the same sort of stuff that Enlightenment has ... |
| 03:47.09 | Dlugar | Window groups, stacking, border style, |
| 03:47.17 | Dlugar | etc.? |
| 03:47.58 | Dlugar | "sticky" just means the normal window-manager stickiness, right? |
| 03:48.06 | Dlugar | what do you mean by "drag to different pages"? |
| 03:49.30 | hans | http://falcon.rn.byu.edu/~fugalh/tmp/ |
| 03:49.47 | hans | sticky is the normal sense, yeah |
| 03:50.01 | Dlugar | ok. |
| 03:50.27 | hans | drag to different pages means if I grab the titlebar and drag to the edge of the screen it will come with me to the next page (desktop/workspace/insert your terminology here) |
| 03:50.43 | hans | configurable so that it works even if edge-flipping is normally off. wmaker does this. |
| 03:50.54 | Dlugar | Ok, I gotcha. |
| 03:51.15 | hans | trackpad-navigable means none of this disappearing trash when you move off the menu. it should respond to clicks only. (or be configurable to do so) |
| 03:51.38 | hans | lack of 2d layout is, IMHO, wmaker's largest fault. |
| 03:51.41 | Dlugar | k, I gotcha. |
| 03:51.45 | Dlugar | what's that mean? |
| 03:51.47 | Dlugar | 2d layout? |
| 03:51.50 | hans | the last one is aka windows-style cycling. |
| 03:52.02 | Dlugar | MRU = ? |
| 03:52.18 | hans | wmaker is a 1d list of workspaces. fvwm has a 2d layout - up/down/right/left |
| 03:52.35 | hans | mru = most recently used |
| 03:52.40 | Dlugar | You mean so you can "edge flip" off the top and bottom? |
| 03:52.50 | Dlugar | Or is this useful for something besides edge flipping? |
| 03:53.15 | hans | yeah - or via a pager or keystrokes, however you navigate. i really like how fvwm gives you one large desktop |
| 03:53.31 | Dlugar | enlightenment pagers are moveable, |
| 03:53.37 | Dlugar | so I can stick them in any configuration I want, |
| 03:53.43 | Dlugar | even though technically it's 1d, |
| 03:53.49 | Dlugar | edge-flipping only works left-to-right. |
| 03:53.53 | hans | if I drag my web browser down so the title bar is near the bottom, but then go to the page beneath where I am, the rest of my browser is there. edge resistance is vital in this case |
| 03:54.17 | hans | 2d edge-flipping is a must, although I would tend to use keystrokes most often |
| 03:54.26 | Dlugar | that's how I get around, usually, |
| 03:54.34 | Dlugar | ctrl-alt-left and -right take me to adjacent desktops. |
| 03:54.35 | hans | and, being a vim user, I would map them to meta-h/j/k/l |
| 03:54.39 | Dlugar | never thought of 2d esktops, though. |
| 03:55.10 | hans | oh, another one, ICCCM-compliant! |
| 03:55.26 | Dlugar | ICCCM? |
| 03:56.42 | hans | http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/ |
| 03:57.52 | Dlugar | k. |
| 03:59.13 | Dlugar | What does "Disable resizebar" do? |
| 03:59.20 | hans | re the slit/dock thing - wmaker does far surpass fluxbox in that you can launch wmaker apps from the dock (the three-dots thing). most of us spend most of our time in about 5 apps and being able to quickly launch them is a must |
| 03:59.54 | Dlugar | I bind my web browser and a terminal to meta-keystrokes, |
| 04:00.09 | Dlugar | and the other five or so are in E's desktop menu. |
| 04:00.22 | hans | remembering window position and restoring it is important too. launching programs on keystroke and most other stuff of course, but any self-respecting window manager does that. |
| 04:00.41 | Dlugar | *nod* Of course :-) |
| 04:01.05 | Dlugar | One thing I hate, tell me if wmaker does this better than E, |
| 04:01.23 | Dlugar | if I "save" the attributes for my Gaim window |
| 04:01.29 | Dlugar | (to use wmaker terminology) |
| 04:01.31 | hans | oh and one other thing - lightweight. i live in the dinosaur ages |
| 04:01.37 | Dlugar | it applies them for /all/ Gaim windows, |
| 04:01.44 | Dlugar | not just that particular one. |
| 04:01.48 | Dlugar | It's really bothersome :-P |
| 04:01.56 | hans | ah, yes. for that you can blame gaim and they in turn blame ICCCM |
| 04:02.25 | hans | windowmaker used to be able to distinguish between gaim windows and do that, but then they 'fixed' it. |
| 04:02.39 | Dlugar | Same with E. :-/ |
| 04:02.57 | hans | there is supposedly a way the windowmanager should be able to tell but apparently windowmaker and E don't use it. |
| 04:03.10 | hans | i don't recall the details but you can probably find the bug report on sourceforge. |
| 04:03.14 | Dlugar | k. |
| 04:04.35 | hans | my deepest trouble, really, with fvwm was the lack of absolutism. In fvwm everything is relative. some things need to be absolute (where my gkrellm goes, a slit/dock, maybe a taskbar, etc. I really like the paperclip in wmaker too, btw.) |
| 04:05.43 | hans | and of course xinerama. someday... |
| 04:05.56 | Dlugar | Hehe. It's nice to dream, eh? |
| 04:05.58 | hans | wmaker isn't very good with xinerama, although the cvs handles it better |
| 04:06.08 | Dlugar | what's xinerama? |
| 04:06.16 | hans | dual-head |
| 04:08.27 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 04:08.44 | sjansen | Stick it to 'em IBM!!! |
| 04:13.25 | sjansen | hans: How does terminus work with fontconfig? |
| 04:13.49 | hans | you'll have to remind me what fontconfig does. but if you're asking how it plays, it plays very nicely. |
| 04:14.57 | sjansen | Specifically, I'd prefer to install it to ~/.fonts |
| 04:15.50 | hans | byron does that. let me forward the email |
| 04:16.06 | uugDave | Hey, I ran wmaker with Xinerama for months and it worked greeeat. Installed wmaker on RedHat 8 with standard RPMs. |
| 04:17.01 | uugDave | Man, SourceForge stats are 4 days behind... sheesh. |
| 04:17.18 | uugDave | How am I supposed to get my daily fix of stat-graph? |
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| 04:20.10 | hans | sjansen: email? |
| 04:20.30 | sjansen | sjansen@byu.edu |
| 04:20.44 | uugDave | resplin: w0rd. :) |
| 04:20.49 | emcnabb | time to sign up stuart to a few spammer lists |
| 04:20.56 | resplin | Y0 |
| 04:21.04 | uugDave | ~ibot, spam sjansen. |
| 04:21.08 | | you should get a hotmail account to spam sjansen. |
| 04:21.17 | uugDave | haha! :D |
| 04:21.33 | hans | lol |
| 04:21.46 | uugDave | ~ibot, spam sjansen |
| 04:21.49 | | you should get a hotmail account to spam sjansen |
| 04:21.54 | uugDave | Stupid ibot. |
| 04:21.58 | sjansen | ~whaleslap uugDave |
| 04:22.01 | | ACTION slaps uugDave upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:22.13 | uugDave | ~ibot, insult sjansen |
| 04:22.32 | uugDave | ~insult sjansen |
| 04:22.40 | uugDave | I'm no good at this IRC stuff. |
| 04:22.55 | hans | ~lart ibot |
| 04:23.05 | uugDave | haha! |
| 04:23.09 | resplin | ibot punish uugDave for his insolence |
| 04:23.11 | | wish i knew, resplin |
| 04:23.21 | resplin | ibot punish resplin |
| 04:23.23 | | resplin: i don't know |
| 04:23.24 | uugDave | ~ibot slap resplin for his insults to your family |
| 04:23.26 | | ACTION slaps resplin for his insults to your family, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 04:23.37 | uugDave | wow, not bad. |
| 04:23.44 | uugDave | a litle dumb, ibot, but not bad. |
| 04:23.46 | sjansen | ~uugDave? |
| 04:23.47 | | [uugdave] a spammer, or author of phpldapadmin |
| 04:24.00 | hans | lol |
| 04:24.02 | uugDave | Who's controllin this monster? |
| 04:24.08 | uugDave | ~sjansen? |
| 04:24.09 | | it has been said that sjansen is one guy who really knows where his towel is |
| 04:24.17 | resplin | ~emcnabb |
| 04:24.19 | | i guess emcnabb is Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. |
| 04:24.21 | uugDave | One hoopy frood. |
| 04:24.37 | resplin | ~resplin |
| 04:24.58 | resplin | ~weather |
| 04:24.59 | sjansen | ~uugDave? |
| 04:25.01 | | rumour has it, uugdave is a spammer, or author of phpldapadmin, or one hoopy frood |
| 04:25.46 | sjansen | ~hans |
| 04:25.47 | | hmm... hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 04:26.21 | uugDave | Who's rumor is it that I am a spammer? |
| 04:26.36 | uugDave | desert is in vim now? |
| 04:26.37 | Jayce^ | ouch, that's just a low blow |
| 04:26.49 | hans | ~metar |
| 04:26.56 | sjansen | ~vim? |
| 04:26.59 | | extra, extra, read all about it, vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need |
| 04:26.59 | uugDave | ~Jayce^ |
| 04:27.02 | | it has been said that jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. |
| 04:27.02 | sjansen | ~emacs |
| 04:27.05 | | rumour has it, emacs is a waste of several megabytes of code that aren't needed for a text editor or is useful when "M-x vip-mode" is used, or almost jove on the familiar system, or pretty useful |
| 04:27.25 | hans | ~ibot |
| 04:27.26 | | [ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 04:27.27 | hans | ~X |
| 04:27.28 | | rumour has it, x is a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 04:27.32 | hans | ~bzflag |
| 04:27.34 | | from memory, bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 04:27.36 | hans | ~xfree86 |
| 04:27.37 | | extra, extra, read all about it, xfree86 is at http://www.xfree86.org |
| 04:27.46 | hans | ~ion |
| 04:27.47 | | i heard ion is a keyboard-friendly window manager with no overlapping windows: http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ or best combined with gtk-menu. |
| 04:28.02 | hans | ~windowmaker |
| 04:28.04 | | hmm... windowmaker is a light wm no ? |
| 04:28.16 | hans | umm, yeah |
| 04:28.19 | uugDave | ~phpldapadmin |
| 04:28.22 | uugDave | hehe :) |
| 04:28.26 | hans | ibot, you don't sound so sure about windowmaker. |
| 04:28.27 | | hans: are you using Windows? |
| 04:28.34 | resplin | ibot, karma for uugDave |
| 04:28.34 | | for uugdave has neutral karma |
| 04:28.38 | hans | no, Window*Maker* |
| 04:28.47 | hans | ~karma uugDave |
| 04:28.47 | | uugdave has neutral karma |
| 04:28.50 | uugDave | ibot, like most of the unwashed masses, doesn't even know what phpLDAPadmin is... :) |
| 04:28.52 | | uugDave: You are moron #1 |
| 04:29.01 | uugDave | whohoo! :) |
| 04:29.04 | hans | lol |
| 04:29.10 | uugDave | ~moron #1 |
| 04:29.11 | | It's you, hoda. |
| 04:29.14 | resplin | ~uugDave-- |
| 04:29.25 | uugDave | ~resplin++ |
| 04:29.28 | hans | ibot, phpldapadmin is a php ldap admin program. |
| 04:29.30 | | hans: okay |
| 04:29.36 | uugDave | ~phpldapadmin |
| 04:29.38 | | phpldapadmin is probably a php ldap admin program. |
| 04:29.52 | resplin | ibot, uugDave-- |
| 04:29.59 | uugDave | ~ibot, phpldapadmin is actually a sorry excuse for uugDave to stay up late at night. |
| 04:30.00 | | ...but phpldapadmin is already something else... |
| 04:30.15 | hans | ibot, phpldapadmin is actually a sorry excuse for uugDave to |
| 04:30.18 | | ...but phpldapadmin is already something else... |
| 04:30.18 | uugDave | ~ibot, I don't care, phpldapadmin is actually a sorry excuse for uugDave to stay up late at night. |
| 04:30.21 | | uugDave: what are you talking about? |
| 04:30.32 | hans | ibot, no phpldapadmin is a sorry excuse for uugDave to stay up late at night |
| 04:30.36 | | hans: okay |
| 04:30.55 | resplin | ibot cookie |
| 04:31.03 | hans | ibot, phpldapadmin is also something with a really long name |
| 04:31.05 | | hans: okay |
| 04:31.10 | sjansen | phpldapadmin is also hosted on SourceForge at http://phpldapadmin.sf.net |
| 04:31.27 | hans | sjansen: i'm not sure ibot picks up facts not directed at him any longer. |
| 04:31.29 | sjansen | phpldapadmin? |
| 04:31.30 | uugDave | ibot, phpldapadmin is also capitalized incorrectly by most typists. |
| 04:31.31 | | uugDave: okay |
| 04:31.43 | sjansen | ~phpldapadmin? |
| 04:31.44 | | i guess phpldapadmin is a sorry excuse for uugDave to stay up late at night, or something with a really long name, or capitalized incorrectly by most typists. |
| 04:32.20 | hans | ibot, hearnet is a great way to hear your network (http://falcon.fugal.net/~fugalh/hearnet/) |
| 04:32.22 | | hans: okay |
| 04:32.31 | uugDave | ibot, phpldapadmin is also phpLdapAdmin, phpLDAPAdmin, or PhpLDAPAadmin. |
| 04:32.32 | | uugDave: okay |
| 04:32.32 | sjansen | hans: He's supposed to, but I guess he doesn't. Once again advertising ~= reality |
| 04:32.45 | hans | yeah. but I think you mean != |
| 04:33.00 | sjansen | s/~=/!=/ |
| 04:33.17 | uugDave | Doesn't that ~ need to be escaped? |
| 04:33.28 | resplin | ibot factstats |
| 04:33.36 | resplin | ibot factstats new |
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| 04:34.58 | hans | ibot, forgive resplin |
| 04:34.59 | | i don't know, hans |
| 04:35.29 | uugDave | ~ibot, factstats |
| 04:35.48 | sjansen | uugDave: My point is they shouldn't be. They're too tempting to click. |
| 04:36.13 | sjansen | Now that you're back, ibot, lart uugDave |
| 04:36.16 | hans | ~rot13 sjansen |
| 04:36.16 | | fwnafra |
| 04:36.40 | sjansen | ibot sure is slow |
| 04:36.42 | | okay, sjansen |
| 04:36.42 | uugDave | ~bzflag |
| 04:36.43 | | methinks bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 04:36.50 | uugDave | Good memory. |
| 04:37.12 | sjansen | ~TimRiker |
| 04:37.13 | | [timriker] my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org Senior Linux Technologist at Texas Instruments mailto:Tim@TI.com former CTO of Lineo (Embedix, Metrowerks, etc.), maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ |
| 04:38.39 | sjansen | hans: With fontconfig, you don't have to deal with xset or anything. Files in .fontconf are discovered automatically. |
| 04:38.52 | sjansen | I just don't know how that'll work with .pcf files. |
| 04:39.47 | sjansen | BTW, in another window I was given the message that ibot quit because of a flood. I guess he doesn't like being mobbed. |
| 04:39.48 | hans | ~sure |
| 04:39.50 | | methinks sure is slow |
| 04:40.10 | hans | sjansen: I think it's the irc server that doesn't like him responding to our mobbing with such excess. :) |
| 04:40.14 | resplin | You can give him a lobotomy so that he doesn't get so overwhelmed. |
| 04:40.25 | resplin | ibot lobotomy |
| 04:40.27 | | I feel different somehow. |
| 04:40.35 | uugDave | yikes |
| 04:40.38 | resplin | ibot unlobotomy |
| 04:40.40 | | resplin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:40.40 | uugDave | ~resplin-- |
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| 04:40.52 | resplin | ummm, I forgot how to fix him. |
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| 04:41.08 | resplin | ibot delobotomy |
| 04:41.09 | | i haven't a clue, resplin |
| 04:41.14 | resplin | ummmm |
| 04:41.18 | resplin | ibot help |
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| 04:42.49 | hans | ~news |
| 04:42.51 | uugDave | welcome back ibot |
| 04:42.54 | uugDave | ~slashdot |
| 04:43.19 | uugDave | ~ibot, took you long enough! |
| 04:43.23 | hans | ibot, you need to learn to pace yourself so you don't get kicked. |
| 04:43.24 | | hans: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:43.42 | hans | ibot, it is larger than a breadbox. |
| 04:43.43 | | hans: what are you talking about? |
| 04:43.48 | hans | ~it |
| 04:44.44 | uugDave | ~hans |
| 04:44.46 | | it has been said that hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
| 04:45.13 | uugDave | ~uugDave |
| 04:45.16 | | you are, like, a spammer, or author of phpldapadmin, or one hoopy frood |
| 04:45.33 | sjansen | ibot, phpldapadmin is also at http://phpldapadmin.sf.net |
| 04:45.34 | | okay, sjansen |
| 04:45.38 | resplin | ~hoppy frood |
| 04:45.42 | resplin | I mean |
| 04:45.43 | uugDave | ~ibot, uugDave is also known to float in the air much like bricks don't. |
| 04:45.45 | | okay, uugDave |
| 04:45.46 | resplin | ~hoopy frood |
| 04:45.57 | sjansen | ~uugDave |
| 04:45.59 | | rumour has it, uugdave is a spammer, or author of phpldapadmin, or one hoopy frood, or known to float in the air much like bricks don't. |
| 04:46.01 | uugDave | ~resplin |
| 04:46.25 | uugDave | ibot, resplin is the proud father of a bounching baby girl. |
| 04:46.27 | | uugDave: okay |
| 04:46.46 | sjansen | ~resplin |
| 04:46.48 | | somebody said resplin was the proud father of a bounching baby girl. mean. He keeps picking on ibot. |
| 04:47.11 | resplin | ibot resplin apologizes to ibot |
| 04:47.13 | | resplin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:47.24 | uugDave | resplin: I'm sorry ibot. |
| 04:47.24 | resplin | ibot, resplin is the one who apologized to ibot |
| 04:47.26 | | ...but resplin is already something else... |
| 04:47.38 | uugDave | (pssst, use "also") :) |
| 04:47.42 | resplin | ibot, resplin is also the one who apologized to ibot |
| 04:47.44 | | resplin: okay |
| 04:47.49 | resplin | Yea, I figured it out a moment late. |
| 04:47.57 | sjansen | Yeah, resplin as also a big an irresponsible keyboard user. |
| 04:48.38 | sjansen | ~resplin |
| 04:48.40 | | hmm... resplin is sorry for picking on ibot |
| 04:48.46 | resplin | :) |
| 04:48.54 | uugDave | Very nice |
| 04:48.59 | uugDave | How do you pick on the ibot? |
| 04:49.07 | uugDave | ~art |
| 04:49.24 | sjansen | ~neybar |
| 04:49.26 | | neybar is, like, "sometimes stupidity just plain old wins" |
| 04:49.39 | uugDave | Dave is not a spammer anymore. |
| 04:49.44 | uugDave | I mean: |
| 04:49.50 | uugDave | uugDave is not a spammer anymore, and never was. |
| 04:50.11 | uugDave | see ya later, ibot. |
| 04:50.29 | uugDave | ibot, I said GOODBYE! |
| 04:50.30 | | uugDave: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:50.37 | uugDave | ibot, bye |
| 04:50.38 | | bye bye |
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| 04:50.42 | resplin | ~uugDave |
| 04:50.44 | | i heard uugdave is Author of phpldapadmin. One Hoopy frood. |
| 04:51.04 | resplin | ~resplin |
| 04:51.05 | | extra, extra, read all about it, resplin is sorry for picking on ibot |
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| 04:55.14 | resplin | ~emcnabb |
| 04:55.16 | | somebody said emcnabb was Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. |
| 04:55.54 | resplin | ibot, emcnabb is also the owner of blinky |
| 04:55.55 | | resplin: okay |
| 04:56.51 | sjansen | ~lart Debian |
| 04:57.13 | resplin | Oh, now that's harsh! |
| 04:57.30 | sjansen | Yeah, you can be sure the virtual RMS package will object to that one. |
| 04:57.31 | resplin | ibot, have you no limits? |
| 04:57.33 | | resplin: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 05:33.16 | emcnabb | school sucks |
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| 06:09.39 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 06:09.59 | torriem | I guess I'll just read my slashdot here in #utah from now on. |
| 06:11.56 | emcnabb | torriem, haha |
| 06:12.07 | emcnabb | ~slashdot |
| 06:12.17 | emcnabb | it is a little old |
| 06:12.27 | torriem | can he modify the ibot to pick up the article body too? |
| 06:12.32 | emcnabb | I have modpoints in case someone posts something descent |
| 06:12.37 | torriem | looks current to me. |
| 06:12.41 | emcnabb | that would be cool |
| 06:12.49 | emcnabb | XCOR Launch Application Complete |
| 06:12.56 | emcnabb | I have that one too |
| 06:13.22 | torriem | Hmm. You must be paying to see newer articles. Either that or my display preferences have a higher threshold of interest |
| 06:13.37 | torriem | nevemrind just showed up |
| 06:13.40 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 06:13.41 | emcnabb | haha |
| 06:13.43 | emcnabb | I win |
| 06:13.55 | torriem | So it's about 45 seconds behind. |
| 06:13.58 | torriem | You win what? |
| 06:14.12 | torriem | ibot, what is Evan McNabb |
| 06:14.14 | | torriem: what are you talking about? |
| 06:14.23 | torriem | ~help |
| 06:15.00 | torriem | ibot, What is Evan McNabb? |
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| 06:17.31 | torriem | ibot, what is Evan McNabb? |
| 06:17.32 | | hmm... evan mcnabb is an uber-geek |
| 06:18.13 | emcnabb | how did you do that torriem? |
| 06:18.23 | torriem | Do what? |
| 06:18.48 | emcnabb | torriem, make it change what it says about me |
| 06:18.58 | emcnabb | haha |
| 06:19.05 | emcnabb | you're ibot |
| 06:19.14 | torriem | ibot, Evan McNabb is a super-cool uber-geek |
| 06:19.16 | | ...but evan mcnabb is already something else... |
| 06:19.29 | torriem | Well, then |
| 06:19.36 | torriem | ibot, torriem is a super-cool uber-geek |
| 06:19.38 | | okay, torriem |
| 06:19.44 | torriem | ibot, what is torriem? |
| 06:19.45 | | well, torriem is a super-cool uber-geek |
| 06:19.51 | torriem | There you have it. |
| 06:21.17 | torriem | Since there's no one else talking, I have to amuse myself chatting with the ibot |
| 06:21.30 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you still don't know how to do that, after all the ibot playing you've done? |
| 06:21.31 | torriem | ibot, the one true editor is vi |
| 06:21.32 | | torriem: okay |
| 06:21.39 | torriem | ibot, what is the one true editor? |
| 06:21.41 | | I think you lost me on that one, torriem |
| 06:21.43 | Jayce^ | ~vim |
| 06:21.45 | | hmm... vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need |
| 06:21.46 | torriem | Darn. |
| 06:21.48 | torriem | Ahh |
| 06:22.07 | Jayce^ | ibot, vim is also the official editor of #utah :) |
| 06:22.08 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 06:22.11 | Jayce^ | ~vim |
| 06:22.13 | | vim is probably an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need, or the official editor of #utah :) |
| 06:22.17 | Jayce^ | see |
| 06:22.22 | torriem | I do |
| 06:22.34 | torriem | Sometimes it figures out the questions from the text, though. |
| 06:23.37 | Jayce^ | grrr.. found what looked to be a nifty resume xml/xsl setup on sf... but it's built so you have to do it via their ava tool.. |
| 06:23.52 | Jayce^ | the stylsheets don't want to play nicely if you don't use it *their way* |
| 06:23.56 | Jayce^ | java |
| 06:25.19 | emcnabb | Jayce^, nope, haven't tried that yet |
| 06:25.38 | Jayce^ | ~emcnabb |
| 06:25.39 | | rumour has it, emcnabb is Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. the owner of blinky |
| 06:25.47 | Jayce^ | blinky? |
| 06:25.56 | Jayce^ | ~blinky |
| 06:25.59 | emcnabb | server in my serverrack |
| 06:26.18 | Jayce^ | ibot, blinky is a server in emcnabb's rack |
| 06:26.19 | | Jayce^: okay |
| 06:26.26 | Jayce^ | what kinda naming scheme is that? |
| 06:26.38 | emcnabb | arg, I need to find how do that |
| 06:26.48 | emcnabb | that's the name of it when I got it |
| 06:26.58 | torriem | ' |
| 06:26.59 | emcnabb | I decided to keep it because the RAID blinks a lot |
| 06:27.05 | torriem | Too lazy to change it, eh? |
| 06:27.11 | emcnabb | it's a dead machine |
| 06:27.19 | emcnabb | I don't even use it any more |
| 06:27.20 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 06:27.22 | emcnabb | too loud |
| 06:27.26 | torriem | Well that's okay cause we'll probably keep the names of all the old CS dept machines, since I can't scrape the label off cleanly. |
| 06:27.52 | emcnabb | haha |
| 06:28.22 | Jayce^ | I used to use what's one of the best naming schemes... |
| 06:28.34 | Jayce^ | extremely easy to map host/computer names to ip's |
| 06:28.47 | torriem | code the ips in hex? |
| 06:28.51 | Jayce^ | http://www.webelements.com/ |
| 06:28.53 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 06:29.13 | Jayce^ | eg, hydrogen is 192.168.0.1 :) |
| 06:29.20 | Jayce^ | helium .2 |
| 06:29.25 | torriem | Oh cool. The chemistry department would love that. |
| 06:29.40 | Jayce^ | only good for 118 machines right now :) |
| 06:30.01 | torriem | Too true. |
| 06:30.10 | torriem | And with the half-life of some of those elements... |
| 06:30.27 | Jayce^ | but for moderate nets, and private nets, works great |
| 06:30.41 | emcnabb | ~help |
| 06:31.26 | torriem | true. |
| 06:31.58 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, basically, to assign text values, you use is, is also, and such |
| 06:32.11 | Jayce^ | ~karma emcnabb |
| 06:32.11 | | emcnabb has karma of -1 |
| 06:32.14 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 06:32.43 | Jayce^ | ~emcnabb-- for being an ibot noob |
| 06:32.52 | Jayce^ | ~karma emcnabb |
| 06:32.52 | | emcnabb has karma of -1 |
| 06:33.00 | Jayce^ | dang.. didn't pick it up.. |
| 06:33.11 | Jayce^ | ibot, emcnabb-- for being an ibot noob |
| 06:33.12 | | Jayce^: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:33.17 | levi_ | Jayce: Apparently you're not quite an ibot power user either. ;) |
| 06:33.25 | Jayce^ | looks like bloot doesn't like reasons.. |
| 06:33.45 | Jayce^ | infobot does that... but maybe that's turned off with the 'listen' option.. |
| 06:33.58 | Jayce^ | where he picks it up out of non-addressed text |
| 06:34.25 | Jayce^ | ~emcnabb-- |
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| 06:34.30 | Jayce^ | ~karma emcnabb |
| 06:34.30 | | emcnabb has karma of -2 |
| 06:34.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, no reasons... that's lame |
| 06:34.54 | emcnabb | lobotomy |
| 06:35.02 | torriem | ~lobotomy |
| 06:35.06 | | I feel different somehow. |
| 06:35.08 | emcnabb | crap |
| 06:35.16 | Jayce^ | night folks |
| 06:35.17 | torriem | ~unlobomy |
| 06:35.24 | torriem | ~unlobotomy |
| 06:35.30 | emcnabb | Jayce^, nighty night |
| 06:38.21 | torriem | ibot, good night |
| 06:38.22 | | good night, sleep tight, dont let the bed bugs bite... Love you lots, and take care of yourself... |
| 06:38.28 | torriem | :) |
| 06:38.41 | torriem | Wow. They think of everything. Who needs a social life when you have an ibot. |
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| 06:40.02 | spr5 | ~help |
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| 06:47.25 | emcnabb | ibot, resplin is cool |
| 06:47.27 | | ...but resplin is already something else... |
| 06:50.47 | emcnabb | ibot, sco sucks |
| 06:50.50 | | emcnabb: are you using Windows? |
| 06:50.51 | emcnabb | ~sco |
| 06:50.52 | | hmm... sco is the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist |
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| 13:36.32 | hans | hello ibot |
| 13:48.59 | hans | ibot are you asleep? |
| 13:49.01 | | hans: no idea |
| 13:49.07 | hans | me either |
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| 15:43.46 | hans | Jayce^: what's on tonight? |
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| 15:59.21 | hans | ~perl |
| 15:59.25 | | i guess perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic Rubish Lister |
| 15:59.25 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 15:59.31 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 15:59.38 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 15:59.43 | hans | ~karma Hanuman |
| 15:59.43 | | hanuman has karma of 3 |
| 15:59.45 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 15:59.53 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 16:00.01 | \usr\bin\perl | ~karma Hanuman |
| 16:00.01 | | hanuman has karma of 5 |
| 16:00.11 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman |
| 16:00.14 | | rumour has it, hanuman is NOT a Windows user, but rather forced to use it. He has reached somewhat of a Linux state of Karma - some say Hanuman *really* doesn't exist. |
| 16:00.51 | \usr\bin\perl | ~Hanuman++ |
| 16:00.55 | \usr\bin\perl | ~karma Hanuman |
| 16:00.55 | | hanuman has karma of 6 |
| 16:01.14 | Hanuman | ahh...much better |
| 16:01.40 | hans | ibot, hello |
| 16:01.40 | | hi |
| 16:01.49 | hans | ibot, what are you smoking? |
| 16:01.51 | | hans: what are you talking about? |
| 16:04.21 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:06.11 | tomeast | anyone in the market for a cheap pvr card? |
| 16:07.15 | hans | pvr? |
| 16:07.36 | tomeast | personal video recorder ala mythtv |
| 16:08.01 | hans | how cheap? |
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| 16:09.21 | tomeast | $50 (with hardware encoding) |
| 16:09.24 | tomeast | read this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/Cheap_MPEG_cards_P89011/ |
| 16:09.24 | tomeast | I'm actually just looking for someone who might buy w/me so that we get free shipping |
| 16:09.35 | tomeast | I'm going to pick up a couple |
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| 16:10.23 | tomeast | shipping is $7/card but he'll ship for free on orders of 5 or more |
| 16:10.32 | Jayce^ | ooohh.. card for mythtv.. |
| 16:11.13 | tomeast | its a smoking deal - I've been looking at the hauppauge 250 which runs at least $130 |
| 16:11.55 | Jayce^ | so is this only a capture card? or does it do output too? |
| 16:12.32 | Hanuman | If you want a good capture card forget Ebay - just get a TVWonder - also compatible w/ MythTV: |
| 16:12.35 | Hanuman | http://buy.ati.com/shopati/product.asp?category=AP&part%5Fno=100%2D703102+US&find%5Fcategory=AP&find%5Fdescription=Products&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=&country=USA |
| 16:12.44 | Hanuman | $50 |
| 16:13.04 | Hanuman | I spent a little extra and got the one with the RemoteWonder - all works on Linux great |
| 16:13.05 | tomeast | Jayce^: only captures |
| 16:13.14 | Jayce^ | heard the all in wonders didn't work with mythtv... |
| 16:13.30 | Jayce^ | plus, do they do hardware encoding? |
| 16:13.42 | Hanuman | all in wonder doesn't - TVWonder does |
| 16:13.42 | tomeast | i think that one doesn't do hardware encoding though - encodes in the software & takes up more processor? |
| 16:13.55 | Hanuman | yeah - I think you're right on that |
| 16:14.13 | Hanuman | I never notice - I've got a pretty fast processor as it is. |
| 16:14.46 | tomeast | I hear w/2 capture cards you can do picture in picture :) |
| 16:15.04 | Jayce^ | see, I"m probably going to stuff it in my old gemini box (dual 466, so hardware encoding is good) |
| 16:15.10 | Jayce^ | tomeast, yeah |
| 16:15.19 | Jayce^ | bbeattie was showing that stuff off at the cts |
| 16:15.36 | tomeast | that would be pretty sweet |
| 16:17.26 | Jayce^ | now if I just had $50.. |
| 16:17.34 | Jayce^ | should post to the lists for others.. |
| 16:18.17 | tomeast | yeah, I was thinking about that |
| 16:18.56 | Hanuman | hans, how's it going? |
| 16:19.07 | hans | pretty good |
| 16:19.12 | Jayce^ | that's something I wanted for christmas, I'll have to see if I can show it to my wife.. |
| 16:19.44 | Hanuman | nice little irssi script there |
| 16:19.56 | hans | i see you met eliza |
| 16:20.20 | hans | if you have it on your system, do /script load eliza |
| 16:20.33 | hans | it will do eliza when anyone msg's you while you're away |
| 16:21.19 | Hanuman | how do I know it's loaded? |
| 16:21.33 | Hanuman | I just did it but didn't get any messages saying it was loaded or anything |
| 16:22.12 | hans | look in window 1 |
| 16:22.41 | Hanuman | okay - doesn't look like I have it. Where can I get it from? |
| 16:23.01 | hans | probably irssi.org |
| 16:23.09 | Hanuman | duh - thanks |
| 16:23.10 | hans | i just apt-got irssi-scripts and it was one of the many |
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| 16:44.09 | sjansen | ibot, topic add Plug meeting tonight! |
| 16:44.09 | | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (T required) |
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| 16:48.34 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Plug Meeting tonight - http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org |
| 16:51.21 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Plug meeting tonight (12 Nov 2003). - http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org |
| 16:54.37 | Jayce^ | just a note, plug meeting will be in Canopy 1 (the center 7 now viawest building) near the home depot in lindon |
| 16:56.44 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> Plug meeting tonight (12 Nov 2003). - http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
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| 17:15.00 | levi | Man, I've got to stop lusting after smartphones. I keep following eBay auctions to see how much Treo 600s are going for. |
| 17:16.15 | sjansen | Jayce^: Are we planning on leading a late night raid afterwards? |
| 17:16.32 | sjansen | Seems a strange place to hold the meeting. |
| 17:17.41 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I just love the irony of it |
| 17:17.59 | Jayce^ | sjansen, the guy at viawest asked if we'd having a problem being in a canopy building.. |
| 17:18.14 | Jayce^ | I just said, we might have trouble with all the jokes that come out of it :) |
| 17:18.16 | neybar | did you say yes... but... we need a place? |
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| 17:26.29 | emcnabb | Jayce^, so is the topic going to be SpamAssasin? |
| 17:26.38 | Jayce^ | no, that's next month.. |
| 17:26.45 | Jayce^ | this month, thayne is about to present.. |
| 17:34.25 | Jayce^ | he's posting to the list right now on what his topic is.. |
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| 17:50.13 | Jayce^ | nifty little split there.. |
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| 18:12.10 | emcnabb | ~Jayce^ |
| 18:12.12 | | rumour has it, jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. |
| 18:12.52 | emcnabb | ibot, Jayce^ is also wants to be hired by SCO |
| 18:12.54 | | okay, emcnabb |
| 18:13.05 | emcnabb | ~Jayce^ |
| 18:13.07 | | it has been said that jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. wants to be hired by SCO |
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| 18:14.27 | emcnabb | ~byron |
| 18:14.28 | | byron is, like, nothing but a puking tongueful of common-kissing cat bladders. |
| 18:15.10 | emcnabb | ibot, Byron is a very nice person |
| 18:15.13 | | ...but byron is already something else... |
| 18:15.13 | byron | ouch, maybe I'm not wanted here :-) |
| 18:15.17 | resplin | ibot, byron also has a reputation that has been poisened by emcnabb. |
| 18:15.20 | | resplin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:15.20 | emcnabb | ibot, Byronc is a very nice person |
| 18:15.23 | | okay, emcnabb |
| 18:15.23 | Jayce^ | remember, I can still kick/ban |
| 18:15.23 | emcnabb | ~byron |
| 18:15.26 | | [byron] a really great guy |
| 18:15.59 | resplin | ~byron |
| 18:16.00 | | byron is probably a really great guy |
| 18:16.10 | resplin | ~emcnabb |
| 18:16.13 | | emcnabb is, like, Hooked on bzflag. A lart happy jerk. A lamer. A tortured psyche. the owner of blinky |
| 18:16.13 | emcnabb | ~jayce^ |
| 18:16.16 | | extra, extra, read all about it, jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. wants to be hired by SCO |
| 18:16.58 | sjansen | *sigh* Time to boot the windows box again. |
| 18:17.24 | sjansen | I've got a seperate machine next to my desk for Windows testing. It only ever gets booted to apply patches, though. |
| 18:18.13 | hans | ibot, what is your favorite window manager? |
| 18:18.15 | | hans: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:18.25 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 18:18.33 | emcnabb | ibot, thanks |
| 18:18.33 | | my pleasure, emcnabb |
| 18:18.36 | sjansen | ibot loves metacity for being pretty but crack free |
| 18:18.37 | | i haven't a clue, sjansen |
| 18:19.27 | resplin | ibot, give emcnabb a lobotomy. |
| 18:19.28 | | resplin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:20.05 | emcnabb | ~slay resplin |
| 18:21.21 | ibo1 | nick ibo |
| 18:21.24 | ibo1 | oopps |
| 18:21.37 | byron | isn't ibo the name of those electronic dogs? |
| 18:21.47 | Jayce^ | aibo |
| 18:22.16 | byron | ahhh, it just seemed to fitting to be right |
| 18:27.00 | Hanuman | ~karma Hanuman |
| 18:27.01 | | hanuman has karma of 6 |
| 18:27.36 | byron | ~karma byron |
| 18:27.36 | | byron has neutral karma |
| 18:31.00 | hans | ~windowmaker |
| 18:31.01 | | hmm... windowmaker is a light wm no ? |
| 18:31.13 | hans | ibot, window maker is also the most sensible window manager. |
| 18:31.15 | | okay, hans |
| 18:33.43 | synic | KDE! |
| 18:33.44 | synic | hehe |
| 18:34.23 | byron | xfce4 is pretty nice, if you need the desktop |
| 18:34.39 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 18:34.41 | | you are, like, NOT a Windows user, but rather forced to use it. He has reached somewhat of a Linux state of Karma - some say Hanuman *really* doesn't exist. |
| 18:35.02 | Hanuman | brb |
| 18:35.36 | hans | ~kde |
| 18:35.37 | | methinks kde is somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far or bloated |
| 18:35.37 | levi | Does xfce4 have its own window manager? |
| 18:35.39 | synic | a cross between xfce4 and flux would be cool |
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| 18:40.57 | byron | xfce4 does have it's own wm, xfwm |
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| 18:43.43 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 18:44.06 | sjansen | Bummer, it doesn't show up. |
| 18:44.27 | sjansen | Slashdot just posted an article about a free bot blocking service. |
| 18:44.28 | Jayce^ | what one? |
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| 18:44.39 | Jayce^ | is it in a section? |
| 18:44.55 | sjansen | Every time I see one of those, I wonder how many sites are taking steps to make their site accessible. |
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| 18:46.52 | *** topic/#utah is Plug meeting tonight (12 Nov 2003). - http://plug.org http://sllug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org - ask ibot for the news (/msg ibot news) |
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| 18:47.00 | sjansen | Jayce^: I'm planning on it, yes. |
| 18:47.45 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 18:47.59 | Jayce^ | going to be a deep one.. |
| 18:48.17 | Jayce^ | thayne will be covering memory technology devices (yeah, that fun kernel option I never touch :) ) |
| 18:48.28 | Jayce^ | show us how to flash our bios from within linux, among other things |
| 18:48.35 | sjansen | scary |
| 18:48.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, especially with thayne presenting.. |
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| 18:51.27 | mhalcrow | What's up with the reverse DNS lookup for my IP? |
| 18:57.00 | Jayce^ | you mean when you log into irc? |
| 19:02.53 | sjansen | ~lart Debian and Knoppix |
| 19:03.10 | sjansen | thanks, ibot, sometimes you're a genius |
| 19:09.14 | hans | ~lart gnome |
| 19:09.40 | sjansen | ~lart mhalcrow and hans |
| 19:14.14 | mhalcrow | Clue me in on this ~lart thing |
| 19:14.50 | mhalcrow | ~lart mhalcrow |
| 19:14.56 | mhalcrow | Oh |
| 19:15.17 | mhalcrow | ~lart the man |
| 19:15.59 | mhalcrow | I gotta get outta here |
| 19:18.37 | Jayce^ | ooohh.. plug.org is updated :) |
| 19:18.39 | Jayce^ | check it out folks |
| 19:19.33 | emcnabb | Frank just had an interview with KSL 5 about SCO |
| 19:19.37 | emcnabb | it was cool |
| 19:20.14 | Hanuman | I need to set up an irssi script to detect the larts and -- the person being larted |
| 19:20.54 | Jayce^ | ooh, when is it going to be on? |
| 19:21.13 | emcnabb | not sure |
| 19:21.19 | emcnabb | they also interview Jason Holt |
| 19:21.40 | Jayce^ | they make sure to mention the LUGs : |
| 19:21.41 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 19:22.06 | hans | emcnabb: sweet. be sure to let us know when it's on |
| 19:22.14 | sjansen | But does it have an RSS feed? |
| 19:22.22 | Jayce^ | haha.. |
| 19:22.25 | Jayce^ | it's static |
| 19:23.27 | emcnabb | ok |
| 19:24.10 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, so how'd those wings feel afterwards? |
| 19:25.58 | Jayce^ | see if he fries it :) |
| 19:29.30 | sjansen | If Plug keeps moving north, we might just have to merge with SLLUG completely. |
| 19:31.01 | Hanuman | 8_ball: test |
| 19:31.11 | Hanuman | nope - doesn't work |
| 19:31.17 | Hanuman | need to figure this one out |
| 19:31.29 | Hanuman | someone ask me a yes or no question |
| 19:32.55 | emcnabb | Jayce^, they felt good |
| 19:34.09 | \usr\bin\perl | Hanuman: is Perl awesome or what? |
| 19:34.28 | \usr\bin\perl | hmmm...need to figure out how 8_ball works |
| 19:35.33 | hans | ls |
| 19:35.36 | hans | er, nevermind |
| 19:35.38 | hans | ~ls |
| 19:35.39 | | bash: ls: permission denied |
| 19:35.48 | hans | ~ls /tmp |
| 19:36.04 | hans | shucks |
| 19:36.58 | Hanuman | 8-ball: is perl cool or what? |
| 19:36.59 | Hanuman | 8-ball says: Who knows |
| 19:37.11 | Hanuman | who - 8-ball is psychic |
| 19:37.21 | Hanuman | s/who/whoa |
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| 19:39.57 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 19:40.45 | sjansen | What can voice do? |
| 19:41.26 | Hanuman | someone say hello to me |
| 19:41.31 | hans | hello to me |
| 19:41.38 | Hanuman | :-p |
| 19:41.46 | hans | ibot, say hello to me |
| 19:41.47 | | hans: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:43.00 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I can turn on moderation... and only those with voice or ops can speak :) |
| 19:43.24 | Hanuman | ibot, say hello to me |
| 19:43.26 | | Hanuman: i don't know |
| 19:43.32 | Jayce^ | just so we can give emcnabb another thing to think about :) |
| 19:44.23 | Hanuman | 8-ball and eliza are now working |
| 19:44.23 | Hanuman | A question please. |
| 19:44.37 | sjansen | What should I do until my boss comes back? |
| 19:44.58 | sjansen | Or until I get the access level I need on the system I'm waiting for? |
| 19:45.29 | hans | Hanuman: is gnome cool? |
| 19:45.40 | hans | 8-ball: is gnome cool? |
| 19:45.41 | Hanuman | hans: 8-ball says: My sources say no |
| 19:45.53 | hans | there we have it. ibot, what do you think? |
| 19:46.06 | hans | ibot is gnome cool? |
| 19:46.08 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, hans |
| 19:46.20 | Hanuman | hmmm...that should have worked |
| 19:46.45 | Hanuman | hans: try it again |
| 19:46.49 | sjansen | 8-ball: Is KDE eerily Windows like and WindowMaker featureless? |
| 19:46.49 | Hanuman | sjansen: 8-ball says: Very doubtful |
| 19:47.04 | sjansen | 8-ball: What do you know? |
| 19:47.05 | Hanuman | sjansen: 8-ball says: My sources say no |
| 19:47.20 | Hanuman | there we go - I guess only one script can be loaded at a time |
| 19:47.35 | hans | i have 4 |
| 19:48.29 | sjansen | 8-ball: Why are you so negative? |
| 19:48.30 | Hanuman | sjansen: 8-ball says: My sources say no |
| 19:48.58 | sjansen | 8-ball: Does you opinion matter? |
| 19:48.59 | Hanuman | sjansen: 8-ball says: Who knows |
| 19:49.02 | Hanuman | 8-ball is slow for some reason |
| 19:49.03 | Hanuman | A question please. |
| 19:49.12 | sjansen | ~lart 8-ball |
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| 19:51.01 | sjansen | Looks like hans couldn't handle having voice. |
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| 20:09.31 | Hanuman | phphphphphphphphphphphphphp - Perl rules! |
| 20:09.39 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 20:12.14 | Hanuman | I watched some guy's face light up when I mentioned Perl was available for .net today - why is that such an impressive term? |
| 20:12.33 | hans | what, perl? I couldn't say. |
| 20:12.40 | hans | ;-) |
| 20:12.55 | Hanuman | so .net is impressive you say? |
| 20:13.11 | hans | i have said nothing about .net |
| 20:13.14 | hans | ~.net |
| 20:13.21 | Jayce^ | .nyet |
| 20:14.59 | hans | ~x en ru food for sale |
| 20:15.13 | hans | hmm. |
| 20:15.19 | hans | ~x en es food for sale |
| 20:15.30 | hans | what is russian's code? |
| 20:15.51 | Jayce^ | ~x en pt food for sale |
| 20:16.13 | Jayce^ | vende-se comida :) |
| 20:16.25 | tensai | ~x en ja food for sale |
| 20:16.33 | Jayce^ | that's the more likely usage in brasil (at least my area) |
| 20:16.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, I can read that :) |
| 20:17.04 | tensai | hambai no tame no shokubutsu, I think |
| 20:17.15 | tensai | that last one is tiny |
| 20:17.19 | hans | yeah, se venda comida in spanish |
| 20:17.42 | Jayce^ | you could say it that way too in pt.. |
| 20:17.48 | Jayce^ | just reflexive |
| 20:17.48 | hans | ~x en es spam |
| 20:17.52 | Hanuman | ~nickometer Hanuman |
| 20:17.53 | | 'Hanuman' is 0.000% lame, hanuman |
| 20:18.43 | tensai | Hanuman: tells you how lame your nick is. it's unrelated to karma |
| 20:18.44 | Hanuman | tensai: yo |
| 20:18.57 | Hanuman | How does it rate it? |
| 20:19.09 | emcnabb | ~nickometer %($*(*$%(*%(#U$IO$%(#H$F(H$(*#F$(*Y$R@#*$(&@#Y#@ |
| 20:19.09 | | '%($*(*$%(*%(#U$IO$%(#H$F(H$(*#F$(*Y$R@#*$(&@#Y#@' is 99.9967% lame, emcnabb |
| 20:19.29 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, usally looks for capitalization strangeness, or wierd chars.. |
| 20:19.36 | Jayce^ | like I rate higher because of the ^ |
| 20:19.44 | Jayce^ | ~nickometer Jayce^ |
| 20:19.44 | | 'Jayce^' is 14.000% lame, jayce^ |
| 20:20.25 | tensai | basically anything in 1337 speak will score high |
| 20:20.33 | byron | Looks like there is a ruby user group at byu now. |
| 20:20.50 | Jayce^ | really? wow.. |
| 20:21.02 | Jayce^ | maybe the perl mongers should break out again :) |
| 20:21.24 | byron | I think this is two new users groups at byu this week, .net and ruby |
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| 20:23.37 | hans | byron: started about a week and a half ago. do you know if they got department approval yet? |
| 20:23.58 | hans | we had like 10 people at that initial meeting. |
| 20:27.28 | byron | hans: it looks like Mike Jones is sponsoring it... that must mean some kind of approval |
| 20:28.47 | hans | yeah, they were in the process of getting the approval final |
| 20:29.13 | hans | aka redtape |
| 20:29.51 | Jayce^ | so, we going to lay odds on thayne messing up the bios on that box tonight? |
| 20:30.28 | Jayce^ | watch a dual opteron get zapped.. |
| 20:30.53 | art | hey the meeting starts at 7:30 right. |
| 20:31.49 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:31.58 | neybar | lol |
| 20:32.04 | Jayce^ | AT THE VIAWEST BUILDING |
| 20:32.17 | Jayce^ | not cedo |
| 20:32.19 | neybar | that's next to scera right? :-P |
| 20:32.42 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap neybar |
| 20:32.45 | | ACTION slaps neybar upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:32.59 | neybar | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:33.09 | hans | Jayce^: I was hoping someday we could have a lifesize chess game on the scera board before the meeting one of these days |
| 20:33.45 | neybar | in starwars costumes |
| 20:33.57 | tensai | to the death!!! |
| 20:34.00 | Jayce^ | we did that some at the episode 2 release |
| 20:34.18 | Jayce^ | too bad scera couldnt' do the trilogy tuesday :) |
| 20:34.51 | Jayce^ | < 1 week until the extended edition is released |
| 20:43.41 | Hanuman | ~nickometer \usr\bin\perl |
| 20:43.41 | | '\usr\bin\perl' is 26.000% lame, hanuman |
| 20:44.00 | Hanuman | hah! I beat Jayce^! |
| 20:54.59 | sjansen | hans: Are you sure "se venda comida" is correct? I would have expected "se vende comida" just like pt. |
| 20:56.01 | brailsmt | 'se vende' is correct |
| 20:56.03 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:57.11 | brailsmt | here is a good one... |
| 20:57.15 | brailsmt | ~slashdot |
| 20:57.26 | brailsmt | i really like that first headline... |
| 20:57.45 | art | this is really a last shot chance for Microsoft. |
| 20:57.55 | brailsmt | i for one hope MS keeps thinking OSS is dead... then they won't take us seriously :) |
| 20:58.18 | art | they just lost Thailand. and it seems like FOSS just keeps rolling over everything that Micro$oft has. |
| 20:58.29 | Jayce^ | warning, upcoming php vs perl war on plug :) |
| 20:59.00 | art | they are losing out big, and they know that this ball is going to keep rolling. |
| 20:59.02 | Hanuman | art: cool! I didn't know that! |
| 20:59.10 | Hanuman | This auto-away is really cool |
| 20:59.21 | Hanuman | Jayce^: me too! me too! |
| 20:59.30 | art | Hanuman: you didn't know what? |
| 20:59.31 | Hanuman | art: yo |
| 20:59.41 | Hanuman | M$ just lost Thailand |
| 20:59.43 | art | that they lost Thailand. |
| 20:59.48 | art | yeah where did I read it? |
| 21:00.05 | brailsmt | so which countries/cities/gov'ts has MS lost? |
| 21:00.12 | art | http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/12/1559216 |
| 21:00.12 | brailsmt | it'd be cool to see a list |
| 21:00.49 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (~sanchiro@64.122.114.148) |
| 21:04.48 | sjansen | FOSS is winning in Brazil, Germany, Mexico. To a different extent in each. |
| 21:05.08 | sjansen | Me is excited about the stuff happening in Brasil. |
| 21:05.16 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 21:06.16 | Jayce^ | olé, olá.. e ó brasil tá voltando pra ganhar (ganhar o source) :) |
| 21:06.58 | brailsmt | i think the german loss was the biggest and most telling... |
| 21:07.15 | brailsmt | even ballmer couldn't convice them to use MS over linux |
| 21:07.17 | Jayce^ | very publicized.. |
| 21:07.31 | Jayce^ | and most people view germany higher.. first world, industrial power.. etc.. |
| 21:07.52 | Jayce^ | whereas brasil, etc.. most people see as third world. and only doing it to escape from not having any money |
| 21:08.22 | brailsmt | proprietary software isn't bad... non-compliance with standards and monopolies are bad |
| 21:08.47 | sjansen | You haven't been held hostage by software then. |
| 21:09.17 | sjansen | I'm sick of being powerless in the hands of companies who care about their bottom line, not my business needs. |
| 21:09.54 | brailsmt | no proprietary software == no jobs to feed my kids |
| 21:10.26 | sjansen | Heh, whatever. There will always be a need to customize and maintain software. |
| 21:11.13 | Jayce^ | or just different methods... our software is made up of all free stuff, but it's not gpl... why, because we dont' distribute.. it runs on our servers.. |
| 21:11.17 | Jayce^ | it's for ourselves mostly.. |
| 21:11.18 | sjansen | I making part of my living supporting apache. Other developers are making a living developing it. |
| 21:11.31 | Jayce^ | and for those clients that do use it, it's still on our servers, and they just pay for the service.. |
| 21:11.32 | brailsmt | I am an open standards guy, proprietary software is fine with me so long as it adheres to open standards |
| 21:11.42 | sjansen | Like Jayce^ said, we have a bunch of in house stuff to meet our peculiar needs. |
| 21:12.07 | sjansen | brailsmt: That means I have to wait for you to fix a bug. |
| 21:12.08 | Jayce^ | so you can still have jobs doing free software.. heck, most software development is never distributed.. |
| 21:12.35 | sjansen | I don't want to wait 6 months for you to fix it. I don't want to have to spend $$$$ switching to another product that implements the same standards. |
| 21:12.44 | brailsmt | sjansen: or hop right on over to a competitor to do the same thing, since it is based on a standard and you could interchange parts... |
| 21:13.12 | brailsmt | that is plenty of incentive for most companies to listen and fix a bug promptly |
| 21:13.19 | sjansen | brailsmt: Beat you to the punch. I want the problem fixed this week. |
| 21:13.55 | brailsmt | you aren't going to convince me, nor I you... :) |
| 21:14.08 | sjansen | Sure there is. That's exactly what my experience has been. They've promptly filled out the bug report and promptly ignored me and promptly not bothered to say when it was fixed and promptly reintroduced the bug a few versions later. |
| 21:14.42 | sjansen | And lets not get into how promptly they've addressed security concerns. |
| 21:15.07 | Jayce^ | hey, isn't microsoft publishing stuff that says how much faster they address security than linux? :D |
| 21:15.35 | sjansen | The only time I've had a good experience with proprietary software was when we bought it from a small 4 person company. Our contract was large enough that they were almost employees. |
| 21:17.17 | Bradipo | After having seen how buggy open source software can be, closed source software scares me even more. |
| 21:19.59 | Hanuman | my outlook is messed up - I can't read any pgp-signed messages |
| 21:20.07 | Jayce^ | if anyone can transcode it for the meeting tongiht, that would be good |
| 21:20.32 | sjansen | I can even live with proprietary software like movabletype. Sure, it's got a restrictive license, but if anything goes wrong I can participate in the problem solving process and find a work around that doesn't involve just turning off the feature. |
| 21:22.04 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 21:22.18 | Jayce^ | lol.. yeah, they want stallman up there.. |
| 21:22.29 | Jayce^ | just to try and get him to tirade on closed source unix |
| 21:23.56 | sjansen | Am I the only one that is reminded of children when he sees the actions of the lawyers on both sides? |
| 21:24.40 | hans | oooh, I hope they televise when stallman is on the stand. ;) |
| 21:24.53 | hans | Jayce^: transcode? |
| 21:25.01 | hans | x geek en transcode |
| 21:25.17 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:25.46 | hans | i don't have a video capture card if that's what you're talking about. |
| 21:26.09 | Jayce^ | libraries/tools for working with video |
| 21:26.14 | hans | but I could lend my VHS cassette to someone (don't know if I plan on going) |
| 21:26.28 | sjansen | SCO is the red headed, freckle faces runt, IBM is the teenage that acts above it all but ultimately isn't above a kicking below the belt when mom's not looking. |
| 21:28.23 | Jayce^ | http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/ |
| 21:33.17 | brailsmt | SCO Fires back, Subpoenas Stallman, Torvalds et al |
| 21:33.17 | brailsmt | Posted by timothy on Wednesday November 12, @04:12PM |
| 21:33.18 | brailsmt | from the subpoenas-envy dept. |
| 21:33.34 | brailsmt | that dept name is the best thing I have seen on /. in a while :) |
| 21:34.45 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 21:35.55 | brailsmt | what exactly do they want from Torvalds, or Stallman? the documents they are looking for a probably freely available anyway :) |
| 21:36.18 | brailsmt | why ask nicely, when you can issue a subpoena? |
| 21:36.55 | Jayce^ | shock value.. |
| 21:37.00 | Jayce^ | looks good to investors |
| 21:37.28 | brailsmt | yeah, SCO's stock just rose $5 on the news that it made any sort of legal move... |
| 21:37.42 | hans | lol |
| 21:37.43 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.45 | brailsmt | and SCO execs just dumped more stock on hearingthe stock rose |
| 21:37.53 | brailsmt | lol |
| 21:38.02 | hans | Lawyer: Yes, Mr Stallman, but can you please answer the question. |
| 21:38.02 | hans | Stallman: Gnu's Not Unix |
| 21:38.02 | hans | ad infinitum. |
| 21:38.08 | art | that's funny. |
| 21:38.16 | art | this trial will take forever. |
| 21:38.19 | Jayce^ | I liked that one.. |
| 21:38.20 | brailsmt | really funny... |
| 21:38.25 | Jayce^ | there were a couple others to that effect.. |
| 21:38.54 | Jayce^ | hos long the case will go on now just by putting rms on the stand... he'll discuss free software, gpl, proprietary... |
| 21:39.00 | Jayce^ | that'll go for a couple of good years.. |
| 21:40.15 | art | I'm sure the reason they want to put Linus on the stand is to attack the open methods the kernel development goes through. |
| 21:40.37 | art | the problem is that IBM will contend that this is a much more honest way of doing things. |
| 21:41.05 | art | I mean someone could have included proprietary code into any other proprietary project, |
| 21:41.13 | art | and no one would be the wiser. |
| 21:41.24 | brailsmt | i liked this one |
| 21:41.25 | brailsmt | Lawyer: now, this linux operating system that you wrote... |
| 21:41.25 | brailsmt | RMS: excuse me. Linux is a kernel, not an operating system. if you refer to a Linux-based operating system you should call it GNU/Linux. Also, I didn't write it, I wrote a text editor, a make system, part of a C library, and some other programs. |
| 21:41.29 | brailsmt | Lawyer: right, the new Linux, is that different than the old one? |
| 21:41.32 | brailsmt | RMS: not "new" Linux, GNU/Linux .. Guh-Noo Linn-Ucks. Also, I didn't write the Linux kernel, that guy over there did. |
| 21:41.35 | brailsmt | Lawyer: Okay forget that.. Mr Stallman, when is the last time you bathed? |
| 21:41.38 | brailsmt | :) |
| 21:41.50 | art | the Linux way is just very transparent. |
| 21:44.22 | brailsmt | SCO spokesman Blake Stowell said he did not know what the subpoenas asked for, but "I know that some of them have been served." |
| 21:44.25 | brailsmt | They haven't got a clue what they're doing, but they're doing it. |
| 21:44.35 | brailsmt | there are some good comments here... |
| 21:46.26 | Hanuman | can you subpoena in a case like this, or are these guys just expert witnesses? |
| 21:46.35 | Hanuman | if so they are being paid to be on the stand |
| 21:47.11 | Bradipo | Spammers think they're so cunning... |
| 21:47.15 | Jayce^ | great quote from the yahoo slides describing php: |
| 21:47.16 | Bradipo | Subject: Buy_ Viag'ra Chea"p wgjhwlcmjangef |
| 21:47.33 | Bradipo | I have a regex that matches viagra with any character inbetween. LOL |
| 21:47.40 | Jayce^ | ?The drawback of using a code in template system, is that your code and HTML output quickly become forever intertwined. This makes changing the appearance of your pages difficult. For example, if you check the user cookie and load user database data in the "common-header" moving around where you include this template will change where you retrieve the database information for the user, possibly breaking other parts of the page which rely on that data. ? |
| 21:47.52 | Bradipo | v.?i.?a.?g.?r.?a |
| 21:48.03 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I have to take off right now but can you send that announcement to the UUG? |
| 21:48.18 | Jayce^ | slacker :) |
| 21:48.19 | emcnabb | and just say that the spamassasin meeting is next month? |
| 21:48.21 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:48.23 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:48.28 | emcnabb | sorry, I've been busy |
| 21:48.32 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 21:48.36 | emcnabb | see you tonight |
| 21:49.48 | Jayce^ | sent |
| 21:50.09 | Hanuman | Jayce^: excellent comment - that is one of my biggest problems with "code-in-template" |
| 21:50.38 | Hanuman | I think we were both trained on the "code-controls-template" model, which is a very good one |
| 21:50.53 | Hanuman | I can't stand JSP because of that |
| 21:50.56 | Jayce^ | yeah... |
| 21:51.01 | Jayce^ | I know you are trained that way :D |
| 21:51.07 | Hanuman | or PHP, but JSP even more |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | I just don't like Java - that's my problem |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | had a bad experience with it |
| 21:53.44 | Jayce^ | italian job quote... / I had a bad experience../ |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | Jayce^: and I'm glad I am - can't convince me to change now |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | lol - that was one of the best movies I've seen in a long time |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | since LOTR 2T |
| 21:53.44 | Jayce^ | just a fe more days 'till the extended :) |
| 21:53.44 | Hanuman | which store do you think will have the best deal? |
| 21:53.44 | Jayce^ | not sure yet.. |
| 21:53.54 | Jayce^ | most will be around $30, and several meet competitors prices.. |
| 21:54.07 | Jayce^ | just waiting for sunday's paper to see |
| 21:54.40 | brailsmt | walmart will probably ave the best deal... I will be inline at 12:01 to buy my copy |
| 21:54.52 | brailsmt | then home to watch it... :) |
| 21:57.35 | Hanuman | will they be open at 12:01? |
| 22:02.57 | brailsmt | walmart is open 24-7 |
| 22:04.21 | Hanuman | Is it now? When did they start doing that? |
| 22:05.01 | brailsmt | Hanuman: years ago |
| 22:05.02 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:07.45 | Hanuman | man - I am out of the loop - last I knew they closed at 11pm |
| 22:08.16 | hans | ibot, no |
| 22:08.18 | | YES |
| 22:09.21 | brailsmt | Hanuman: the orem store has been open 24-7 for at least 4 years |
| 22:09.38 | brailsmt | walmart supercenters are all open 24-7, iirc |
| 22:09.47 | brailsmt | :) |
| 22:10.48 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I must not have been paying attention when it went 24-7 |
| 22:11.53 | brailsmt | are you in VA? |
| 22:11.58 | brailsmt | it may be different in VA |
| 22:12.42 | hans | so if this court thing ever happens and they really do bring in RMS and Torvalds, maybe we can have a special Utah LUG assembly... |
| 22:14.38 | zzzirk | I don't think Linus would be happy to have to come here |
| 22:14.51 | zzzirk | he claimed to have not liked Utah very much in his book ;) |
| 22:15.48 | bonez39 | zzzirk: did he say specifically what he found unlikeable here in utah? |
| 22:16.03 | zzzirk | I don't recall off the top of my head |
| 22:16.19 | zzzirk | I'd have to back and look through the book |
| 22:24.31 | Hanuman | brailsmt: yeah - currently I'm in VA, but 4 years ago I was in UT |
| 22:54.00 | bonez39 | hans: quick compile question for you... |
| 22:54.05 | bonez39 | or for anyone here |
| 23:11.49 | neybar | any red hat gurus here? Is there a way to do apt-getish/urpmi type updates without using the redhat network stuff? |
| 23:16.19 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@209.180.83.6) |
| 23:17.14 | Jayce^ | neybar, look up the apt-get for redhat |
| 23:18.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, one of those |
| 23:25.57 | synic | neybar: apt.freshrpms.net |
| 23:26.11 | synic | a little late is better than never :) |
| 23:37.23 | neybar | has anyone used fedora as a server yet? we have a new box and we are deciding between redhat and fedora |
| 23:38.06 | jsmith | neybar: I'm using it on one of my servers... it's holding up well, so far |
| 23:58.49 | hans | bonez39: shoot |