| 00:08.56 | synic_ | so is anyone using fedora that actually likes it? |
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| 00:36.09 | Jayce^ | hah |
| 00:36.24 | Jayce^ | you really should have been up there today evan |
| 00:36.43 | ibot` | was it cool? |
| 00:37.18 | jakea | did I miss a SCO protest? |
| 00:37.20 | jakea | ;) |
| 00:40.01 | Jayce^ | hehe |
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| 01:28.30 | byron | let me guess, ibot` is evan |
| 01:28.34 | Jayce^ | you are having too much fun |
| 01:28.36 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 01:28.54 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 01:29.13 | ibot` | please don't hurt ibot` |
| 01:29.14 | Jayce^ | dangit, lost my xchat user list, anybody know how to get it back? |
| 01:29.33 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap ibot` |
| 01:29.43 | | ACTION slaps ibot` upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 01:30.25 | ibot` | please don't hurt ibot |
| 01:31.26 | byron | bittorrent is really slow on byu campus. |
| 01:32.08 | byron | any idea how to force it to use a specific peer? |
| 01:35.00 | Jayce^ | it's probably slow based on your upload... |
| 01:35.53 | byron | Well, I guess slow is the wrong word.... I can't even connect to a peer |
| 01:57.09 | Jayce^ | so who read today's foxtrot and noticed the html error? |
| 01:57.18 | Jayce^ | http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/index.phtml |
| 02:12.05 | jason_u | I don't see the error, but then I'm not exactly an HTML pro |
| 02:12.37 | jalance_ | didn't close the <p> |
| 02:12.49 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 02:13.03 | Jayce^ | started a second one, in the second frame.. before ending the first |
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| 02:13.09 | Jayce^ | oink :) |
| 02:13.16 | jalance_ | snuffle |
| 02:13.22 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 02:13.32 | jason_u | I don't think that is an error except in XHTML |
| 02:13.58 | jason_u | just like it is ok to do <li> without a closing tag |
| 02:14.09 | neybar_home | it's an error, just browsers turn a blind eye to it |
| 02:14.14 | neybar_home | ack |
| 02:15.06 | jason_u | According to which version of HTML? In 3.2 it definitely is not an error. |
| 02:15.25 | HarleyPig | jason_u: It's an error in 4 and XHTML. |
| 02:16.14 | jason_u | ok HP I'll take your word for it, but do you agree with me that it isn't an error in 3.2? |
| 02:16.59 | Jayce^ | jason_u, only because it didn't enforce anything |
| 02:17.20 | jason_u | My point being that because we didn't see a DOCTYPE declaration, technically it could be valid |
| 02:18.58 | jason_u | I have no idea why I'm being so anal about this....I really don't know or care |
| 02:19.10 | jason_u | Did anyone see Revolutions today? |
| 02:19.12 | Jayce^ | no, because it didn't have beginning declatrations :D |
| 02:19.15 | Jayce^ | not I.. |
| 02:19.35 | HarleyPig | jason_u: Yeah, I agree. It's not an error in 3.2. I believe it's discouraged though. |
| 02:19.38 | Jayce^ | have some friends going into the theater here in an hour or so |
| 02:19.50 | Jayce^ | anybody going to cts tomorrow? |
| 02:19.56 | HarleyPig | Gee ... which movie? Or do I need to ask? :> |
| 02:20.01 | jason_u | nope on cts |
| 02:20.07 | HarleyPig | cts? |
| 02:20.25 | Jayce^ | computer technology showcase.. |
| 02:20.33 | Jayce^ | the lugs have a booth there |
| 02:21.31 | HarleyPig | Oh yeah. I won't be able to go unfortunately. |
| 02:22.27 | Jayce^ | figured.. |
| 02:22.39 | Jayce^ | so how's work.. got better projects now? |
| 02:23.37 | HarleyPig | Yeah. Slightly better. I think they were hoping I'd be just as quick with new software as bug stompin' ... but maybe that's just my insecurities. |
| 02:24.53 | Jayce^ | get over it.. |
| 02:25.09 | Jayce^ | ~lart HarleyPig's insecurities |
| 02:25.31 | HarleyPig | :[ |
| 02:25.38 | HarleyPig | uh, :] |
| 02:40.50 | Mecworks | ~whaleslap SCO |
| 02:40.53 | | ACTION slaps SCO upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 02:40.57 | Mecworks | ~lart SCO |
| 02:42.09 | Jayce^ | you there tomorrow Mecworks? |
| 02:45.30 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: perl regex problem ... got a minute? |
| 02:46.32 | HarleyPig | Or are you about to leave for TMR? |
| 02:50.02 | Jayce^ | nah, I'm home tonight |
| 02:55.18 | HarleyPig | k. Thought I'd try #perl again. check out http://sial.org/pbot/413 |
| 02:56.30 | HarleyPig | It's a description of my problem. |
| 02:58.04 | Jayce^ | well, first thing, instead of doing the regex as a string, why not a regex object? |
| 02:59.19 | HarleyPig | Hadn't thought of it ... I don't remember how that's done. Is it $regex = qr"..."? |
| 02:59.38 | Mecworks | Jayce^: No, thursdays are a very busy day for me at work. I wish I could be there... |
| 03:00.20 | Jayce^ | qr// |
| 03:00.44 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, I talked to evan, he's excited about the stuff we were talking about with ed today there.. |
| 03:02.41 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you've verified the contents of $ef right? |
| 03:03.41 | Mecworks | very cool |
| 03:03.52 | HarleyPig | Of course! |
| 03:03.53 | Jayce^ | I think that has a lot of promise for the groups |
| 03:03.58 | Jayce^ | we just need to get working on it |
| 03:04.17 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, hey, always good to check "Are you sure the cable is plugged in?" :) |
| 03:04.38 | HarleyPig | :> They come from a database, not user input. |
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| 03:17.02 | HarleyPig | I don't know why I keep trying #perl ... I must be a closet masochist or something. |
| 03:17.09 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 03:17.16 | Jayce^ | that's why I stay out of there.. |
| 03:18.39 | HarleyPig | *sigh* and now it looks like someone left a program running in an infinite loop and it's bringing down v1. |
| 03:20.08 | Jayce^ | is it called init |
| 03:20.14 | emcnabb | haha |
| 03:20.20 | HarleyPig | :> No ... it's listing.i |
| 03:21.04 | HarleyPig | Great. I can't find the process. I fixed (hacksawed) the code, but the stoopid process is hidden somewhere. |
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| 03:22.09 | HarleyPig | Do you know if there is anything vital on v1? or should I just give up and go home and let them worry about it in the morning? |
| 03:24.00 | HarleyPig | Oh ... that's sick and wrong! |
| 03:24.19 | HarleyPig | Bored emcnabb? |
| 03:25.41 | HarleyPig` | :-) |
| 03:25.55 | HarleyPig` | earlier today we made ourselves all ibots |
| 03:26.04 | HarleyPig` | and started larting each other |
| 03:26.24 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 03:26.30 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 03:27.17 | ibot` | like it |
| 03:27.18 | ibot` | ? |
| 03:27.51 | ibo1 | ? |
| 03:30.37 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 03:30.47 | ibot` | haha |
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| 03:34.46 | ibot` | :-) |
| 03:34.53 | emcnabb | that's better |
| 03:35.04 | emcnabb | welcome, Dave |
| 03:35.12 | Jayce^ | woohoo.. |
| 03:35.22 | emcnabb | dang ibot |
| 03:36.35 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 03:36.45 | uugDave | For anyone who cares, phpLDAPadmin will release 0.9.2 next week. Both of the users in our user base are excited. |
| 03:37.02 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 03:37.09 | emcnabb | uugDave, there are a lot of people who use it |
| 03:37.22 | uugDave | Yeah, two. |
| 03:37.30 | uugDave | And I'm not usually one of them. :) |
| 03:37.50 | emcnabb | well, we use it at work |
| 03:37.59 | Jayce^ | we don't.. don't run php :) |
| 03:38.07 | uugDave | Perl mongers... |
| 03:38.09 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I'm sorry |
| 03:38.25 | uugDave | My next door neighbor is a Perl Monk. Just moved in and our first conversation is about how excited he is to have found PHP... |
| 03:38.33 | emcnabb | oh no |
| 03:38.35 | emcnabb | here we go |
| 03:38.45 | emcnabb | war... |
| 03:38.54 | emcnabb | ...is a beautiful thing... |
| 03:39.03 | Jayce^ | lol.. |
| 03:39.05 | Jayce^ | riiight |
| 03:39.10 | uugDave | It's true! |
| 03:39.30 | uugDave | He still won't switch to phpMyAdmin from some Perl hack he uses, but he loves PHP after only a short while. |
| 03:39.31 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 03:39.45 | Jayce^ | tell him to talk to us .. |
| 03:39.49 | uugDave | Can't say as I blame him. Parameter-less functions and the bless() command, you call that a language? |
| 03:40.10 | Jayce^ | this coming from php users? |
| 03:40.13 | HarleyPig | uugDave: I call that nirvana! |
| 03:40.47 | uugDave | Oh well, guess I'm in the wrong channel... how 'bout that asp? Mmm, boy. :) |
| 03:41.13 | Jayce^ | uugDave, php == asp for linux :D |
| 03:41.18 | uugDave | Ouch. |
| 03:43.13 | uugDave | Oh well, PHP isn't really a language anyway. Have you seen some of the salaries that experienced PHP developers have been offered in the valley lately? |
| 03:43.43 | Jayce^ | uugDave, that's what goes to most any developer recently.. |
| 03:43.48 | emcnabb | well, most things seem to be cheap these days |
| 03:43.57 | Jayce^ | at least there are some jobs recently, even if just entry level.. |
| 03:44.11 | emcnabb | yeah, it has picked up in the last month or two |
| 03:44.19 | emcnabb | then we bash the people who offer them :-) |
| 03:44.29 | emcnabb | that actually is a problem |
| 03:45.15 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 03:45.51 | Jayce^ | although I agree with some of the points, best not to bite the hand that feeds someone :) |
| 03:45.59 | uugDave | It is really good that jobs are increasing lately. I think I've seen more in the last two months than I have in the last two years on the lists. |
| 03:47.06 | uugDave | Very encouraging. |
| 03:47.10 | uugDave | I'm just glad to be employeed. |
| 03:47.14 | emcnabb | Jayce^, very true |
| 03:47.14 | uugDave | err, employed :) |
| 03:47.30 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 03:47.55 | Bradipo | Anyone here ever play uqm? |
| 03:48.15 | Bradipo | uqm.sf.net |
| 03:48.20 | uugDave | Ur-quan? Like from StarCon? |
| 03:48.20 | emcnabb | nope |
| 03:48.24 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 03:48.34 | Bradipo | What's StarCon? |
| 03:48.38 | Bradipo | Ur-Quan. |
| 03:48.47 | uugDave | Nope, but I played StarCon on my 386, with 4Mb of RAM, 20Mhz. :) |
| 03:49.03 | Bradipo | I'm playing Ur-Quan right now on my laptop. |
| 03:49.06 | uugDave | Evan never could get it to run on his sticks/stones setup. |
| 03:49.22 | emcnabb | haha |
| 03:49.36 | emcnabb | I need to start looking for a job |
| 03:49.42 | emcnabb | that's if I pass my classes |
| 03:49.51 | uugDave | Stay close Evan. |
| 03:50.27 | uugDave | Wow, this brings back memories: http://sc2.sourceforge.net/screenshots/starbase.html |
| 03:51.27 | emcnabb | uugDave, Richard got a laptop |
| 03:51.31 | uugDave | he told me. |
| 03:51.40 | uugDave | We live within local calling distance now :) |
| 03:51.40 | emcnabb | I think he's told everyone :-) |
| 03:51.43 | emcnabb | haha |
| 03:51.44 | uugDave | Haha |
| 03:51.56 | uugDave | Sounded pretty decent too. |
| 03:52.12 | emcnabb | yea |
| 03:52.34 | uugDave | I trimmed my beard today. |
| 03:52.56 | uugDave | I like to think that even though I graduated from the Y, I can keep the honor code with a beard, by keeping it trimmed. |
| 03:53.30 | uugDave | So, how's the dog-fighting in uqm? As good as the original? |
| 03:53.32 | emcnabb | uugDave, when I leave BYU I'm going to skip the beard and go straight for the nose rings |
| 03:53.38 | Bradipo | I never played the original. |
| 03:53.44 | Bradipo | But it's kind of different. |
| 03:53.47 | Bradipo | I need a better ship. |
| 03:53.50 | uugDave | emcnabb: tell Clint about uqm, he'll flip out. |
| 03:54.02 | uugDave | Is the idea that you are an Ur-Quan? |
| 03:54.05 | emcnabb | I'll try to remember |
| 03:54.40 | Bradipo | No, I'm fighting the Ur-Quan. |
| 03:54.44 | emcnabb | what is a good irc client for windows? |
| 03:54.47 | emcnabb | I'm not going to use it |
| 03:54.53 | Bradipo | xchat works in Windows. |
| 03:54.57 | emcnabb | really? |
| 03:55.25 | uugDave | irc client for Windows? Gaim! |
| 03:56.18 | emcnabb | gaim works ok |
| 03:57.16 | uugDave | Gaim rocks on Windows, better than Trilian and anything else I've tried (okay, just Trillian). |
| 03:58.06 | emcnabb | uugDave, you should join us here more often |
| 03:58.10 | uugDave | Well, off to bed for me. Nice chatting with everyone. |
| 03:58.24 | uugDave | Come on, Evan, you think I'm some kind of nerd? ;) |
| 03:58.34 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:58.39 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:58.47 | uugDave | ouch |
| 03:58.49 | uugDave | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:58.50 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:58.57 | uugDave | Haha, you got cated! |
| 03:58.58 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:59.04 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:59.12 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:59.15 | uugDave | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:59.26 | emcnabb | ~lart uugDave |
| 03:59.37 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap uugDave |
| 03:59.43 | | ACTION slaps uugDave upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 03:59.43 | uugDave | ouch! |
| 03:59.43 | emcnabb | dang |
| 03:59.46 | emcnabb | what is that one again? |
| 03:59.50 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 04:00.13 | uugDave | ~lart Chalkin |
| 04:00.14 | emcnabb | hello Wade |
| 04:00.24 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap Chalkin |
| 04:00.30 | | ACTION slaps Chalkin upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:00.54 | Jayce^ | nice to get more people in here now |
| 04:01.02 | uugDave | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 04:01.05 | | ACTION slaps emcnabb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:01.05 | emcnabb | yeah, it's growing |
| 04:01.15 | emcnabb | that hurt Dave |
| 04:01.17 | HarleyPig | ibot, insults? |
| 04:01.19 | | HarleyPig: are you using Windows? |
| 04:01.19 | emcnabb | you need to be more nice |
| 04:01.32 | HarleyPig | ibot, insult emcnabb |
| 04:01.34 | | no idea, HarleyPig |
| 04:01.38 | Chalkin | I must admit, I haven't used IRC since the pirch days on Windows back in 97... |
| 04:01.41 | uugDave | ibot, how you doing? |
| 04:01.42 | | wish i knew, uugDave |
| 04:01.50 | emcnabb | ibot, hello |
| 04:01.50 | | que tal, emcnabb |
| 04:01.50 | HarleyPig | ibot, moron? |
| 04:01.52 | | i guess moron is someone that types long lines starting with "ibot" |
| 04:01.52 | uugDave | Me neither. |
| 04:02.03 | uugDave | kick ibot |
| 04:02.06 | HarleyPig | ibot, whaleslap |
| 04:02.07 | | bugger all, i dunno, HarleyPig |
| 04:02.22 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap ibot |
| 04:02.25 | | ACTION slaps ibot upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:02.26 | Jayce^ | ~insult harleypig |
| 04:02.31 | HarleyPig | ibot, what are the frigging commands you recognize that have ~ as the first character! |
| 04:02.32 | | HarleyPig: what are you talking about? |
| 04:02.40 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 04:02.44 | Jayce^ | ~help |
| 04:02.49 | emcnabb | ibot, you suck |
| 04:02.50 | | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 04:02.53 | Jayce^ | yup, that does it |
| 04:02.59 | Jayce^ | ~kernel |
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| 04:04.19 | *** topic/#utah is http://sllug.org http://plug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org |
| 04:04.19 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:04.52 | emcnabb | ibot, on the wall, who's the fairest of them all |
| 04:04.54 | | emcnabb: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:05.10 | emcnabb | ibot, so it's the penguin? |
| 04:05.13 | | emcnabb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:05.55 | emcnabb | lets see if ibot knows the deep questions in life |
| 04:05.59 | emcnabb | ibot, is there a god? |
| 04:06.01 | | emcnabb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:06.09 | emcnabb | never mind |
| 04:06.20 | emcnabb | ibot, can you solve the halting problem? |
| 04:06.22 | | emcnabb: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:07.59 | Jayce^ | ~kernel |
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| 04:09.18 | *** topic/#utah is http://sllug.org http://plug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org |
| 04:09.18 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:10.20 | emcnabb | ? |
| 04:11.40 | Jayce^ | that command is supposed to finger kernel.org |
| 04:11.50 | Jayce^ | ~slashdot |
| 04:12.14 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
| 04:12.38 | Jayce^ | ~listkeys |
| 04:13.05 | Jayce^ | ~karma emcnabb |
| 04:13.05 | | emcnabb has neutral karma |
| 04:13.20 | emcnabb | what does listkeys do? |
| 04:13.31 | Jayce^ | look up stuff in his dictionary.. |
| 04:13.49 | Jayce^ | just ask ibot for help '~help' and he'll tell you what he can do |
| 04:13.55 | Jayce^ | then just help command |
| 04:14.02 | Jayce^ | emcnabb-- |
| 04:14.14 | Jayce^ | ibot, emcnabb-- |
| 04:14.16 | emcnabb | ~help |
| 04:14.24 | Jayce^ | ~karma emcnabb |
| 04:14.24 | | emcnabb has karma of -1 |
| 04:14.35 | Jayce^ | k, he's not set to pick it up |
| 04:14.44 | Jayce^ | out of non-addressed sentences |
| 04:15.23 | emcnabb | ~rot13 hello |
| 04:15.23 | | uryyb |
| 04:15.44 | emcnabb | ~cpustatus |
| 04:16.03 | emcnabb | ~freshmeat |
| 04:16.05 | | i heard freshmeat is at http://www.freshmeat.net |
| 04:16.51 | Jayce^ | ~freshmeat perl |
| 04:17.04 | Jayce^ | long query :) |
| 04:17.11 | emcnabb | ~freshmeat php |
| 04:17.28 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 04:17.31 | | ACTION slaps emcnabb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:17.54 | Jayce^ | ~lart debians mod_perl installation |
| 04:17.59 | Jayce^ | stupid thing doesn't work |
| 04:18.17 | emcnabb | ~lobotomy Jayce^ |
| 04:18.51 | Jayce^ | guess you didn't read the help on that one :) |
| 04:19.40 | Jayce^ | looks like it's not the mod_perl, it's apache itself.. |
| 04:19.51 | Jayce^ | dies right on startup |
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| 04:24.34 | emcnabb | 1+1 |
| 04:24.48 | emcnabb | go ibot go |
| 04:24.51 | emcnabb | 1 + 1 |
| 04:25.33 | Jayce^ | ~math 1 + 1 |
| 04:25.55 | Jayce^ | guess he's not listening now |
| 04:26.01 | Jayce^ | ~unlobotomy |
| 04:26.04 | Jayce^ | ~math 1 + 1 |
| 04:26.09 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 04:28.47 | tensai | Jayce^: you got NWN working in Linux, didn't you? |
| 04:29.36 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 04:29.54 | tensai | did you use the icculus installer or the offical resource pack? |
| 04:30.00 | Jayce^ | official pack |
| 04:30.35 | tensai | k. I just tried the icculus install and none of the in game icons were showing up |
| 04:31.01 | tensai | guess I've got 3 more hours to kill... |
| 04:33.39 | emcnabb | man, I suck at school; I can't focus ever |
| 04:33.41 | emcnabb | dang IRC |
| 04:33.45 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 04:33.48 | emcnabb | blame you for all my problems |
| 04:33.55 | Jayce^ | just wait till you have a real job :p |
| 04:33.59 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:34.11 | emcnabb | I don't think that's ever going to happen |
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| 04:38.30 | emcnabb | how do you exit out of a single channel? |
| 04:39.16 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.49 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
| 04:40.03 | emcnabb | I was trying /quit :-) |
| 04:40.14 | Jayce^ | try it again, maybe it'll work this time |
| 04:40.16 | Jayce^ | :D |
| 04:40.18 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:40.21 | emcnabb | very funny |
| 04:41.46 | emcnabb | it worked :-) |
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| 05:01.27 | emcnabb | torriem, hey |
| 05:01.31 | emcnabb | how goes it? |
| 05:01.32 | torriem | yo |
| 05:01.40 | torriem | good I guess |
| 05:02.01 | emcnabb | well, I'm off to bed |
| 05:02.01 | torriem | checking out the zaurus channel |
| 05:02.04 | torriem | ciao |
| 05:02.09 | emcnabb | is it very active? |
| 05:02.20 | torriem | not right now |
| 05:02.28 | emcnabb | later |
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| 05:41.57 | jakea | oh boy, the UUG list has been fun this week |
| 05:43.50 | Jayce^ | hehe |
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| 14:29.47 | Hanuman | word |
| 14:29.56 | Hanuman | ~rot13 word |
| 14:29.56 | | jbeq |
| 14:30.04 | Hanuman | jbeq |
| 14:38.44 | Hanuman | ~babelfish en th Hanuman is cool |
| 14:38.46 | | okay, Hanuman |
| 14:39.39 | Hanuman | ~babelfish en de Hanuman is cool |
| 14:39.56 | Hanuman | ibot, why don't you know Thai? |
| 14:39.57 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hanuman |
| 14:40.25 | Hanuman | ~Hanuman |
| 14:40.27 | | hmm... hanuman is using windows |
| 14:40.44 | Hanuman | shhh...don't tell |
| 14:41.39 | Hanuman | ~babelfish en pl Hanuman is cool |
| 14:41.40 | | Hanuman: okay |
| 15:01.12 | Hanuman | Anyone tried out Fedora core 1 yet? |
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| 16:12.19 | lukfugl | any one willing to help with an XP support question? (my coworker's computer is broke, and I have no idea) |
| 16:12.37 | Hanuman | I may or may not be able to help - I only pretend to know XP |
| 16:13.24 | lukfugl | Well, it's XP Home edition on a Dell and when she boots it says "A: Drive Error\nPress <Del> to Resume" |
| 16:13.53 | lukfugl | pressing <Del> allows it to continue booting and it shows the XP loading page, but then spontaneously reboots |
| 16:14.38 | hans | ooh ooh, I know! Knoppix! |
| 16:14.43 | lukfugl | :) |
| 16:15.10 | lukfugl | what do I need to fix though? once I've got the drives mounted with knoppix |
| 16:15.43 | hans | lukfugl: run the hdinstall program? :) |
| 16:15.52 | lukfugl | haha |
| 16:16.18 | hans | you might be able to see a log of some sort. does she have a floppy drive? does the floppy drive work? |
| 16:16.40 | hans | be sure and play frozen bubble while you've got knoppix loaded |
| 16:16.44 | lukfugl | she has a floppy but has never used it |
| 16:16.48 | hans | apparently she'll be begging you to install it after that |
| 16:17.00 | neybar | what point in the boot up process does it say that? is it right after the memory count? |
| 16:17.22 | hans | ah yeah - is it after windows starts loading or before the boot loader? |
| 16:17.31 | neybar | sounds to me kind of like a cmos sorta thing |
| 16:17.33 | hans | can you disable the floppy in the bios? |
| 16:17.36 | lukfugl | apparently she was running windows update last night, but canceled and shut the system down (cleanly) |
| 16:18.11 | lukfugl | The drive error comes after the mem count and keyboard/mouse detection |
| 16:18.25 | lukfugl | right after I hit del, it goes to the XP loading page |
| 16:18.26 | hans | and it just started complaining about the floppy? or could it have been happening before? |
| 16:18.48 | lukfugl | no, floppy error message just started today along with the other symptoms |
| 16:19.08 | hans | have you tried safe mode and/or command-line mode (they do have at least safe mode in XP still don't they?) Try F8 when you get the first windows messages |
| 16:19.29 | neybar | try going into the bios and then saving the settings, or even reapplying the optimal settings. |
| 16:19.35 | hans | see if it still complains about the floppy when you boot knoppix |
| 16:21.54 | lukfugl | disabled floppy in bios -- no floppy error message, though I still have to hit "<Del> to Resume" (maybe it's advertising? :), and wham spontaneous reboot still. Trying for safe mode |
| 16:22.45 | Hanuman | lukfugl: you can try a step-by-step boot and see what it's loading before it reboots |
| 16:22.50 | lukfugl | pressing F8 when the XP loading screen appears does nothing for me |
| 16:23.06 | lukfugl | Hanuman: how do I trigger a step-by-step boot? |
| 16:23.32 | lukfugl | going to try booting knoppix, just to see/verify it will |
| 16:25.35 | lukfugl | knoppix boots fine |
| 16:28.49 | Hanuman | lukfugl: f8 while it's loading up, and I believe there's something similar to that in the boot options - instead of choosing safe-mode you choose step-by-step (or whatever they call it) |
| 16:32.30 | lukfugl | ok, now when I boot, I don't even see the memory count or anything. I've got a big blue dell splash screen that goes straight to the XP loading page. Pressing F8 at any point in that process does nothing. No menu where I can choose either safe or step-by-step |
| 16:39.10 | lukfugl | ok, finally got the Windows Advanced Options menu |
| 16:40.48 | lukfugl | safe mode wouldn't boot |
| 16:41.27 | tensai | lukfugl: usually you can hit ESC during the Dell splash and get to the BIOS memory count and such |
| 16:41.31 | lukfugl | do I want to try "Enable Boot Logging", "Last Known Good Configuration" or "Debugging Mode"? |
| 16:46.08 | lukfugl | well none of those three gave me anything useful, and all fell to the same spontaneous reboot |
| 16:47.25 | Hanuman | Have you tried just reinstalling XP? If that doesn't work, sounds like a hardware problem of some sort. |
| 16:48.00 | lukfugl | haven't tried yet no |
| 16:48.18 | lukfugl | knoppix works fine though :) |
| 16:49.26 | hans | did you look at the boot log? |
| 16:50.44 | lukfugl | how? it won't get so far as to give me a command prompt or anything |
| 16:50.45 | hans | maybe winnt/ntbtlog.txt |
| 16:50.51 | hans | with knoppix, of course |
| 16:50.53 | Hanuman | google and support.microsoft.com are also your friends |
| 16:51.15 | lukfugl | Hanuman: tried -- nothing on these symptoms that I could find |
| 16:51.41 | lukfugl | XP installer CD can't get past the XP loading screen without rebooting either |
| 16:51.42 | hans | look in the windows root too |
| 16:52.02 | hans | oh? that sounds like a hardware issue then. did you try loading setup defaults in the bios? |
| 16:52.13 | Hanuman | I'm not sure then. Sounds like hardware, I agree |
| 16:52.32 | hans | sure there wasn't any hardware changes, right? |
| 16:53.42 | lukfugl | hans: certain. Unless Microsoft Update has licensed technology from those hackers that can turn your computer into a bomb |
| 16:53.52 | Hanuman | bad video card? |
| 16:53.55 | lukfugl | she just shutdown last night, and this morning it wasn't working. |
| 16:54.12 | lukfugl | Hanuman: wouldn't knoppix barf on a bad video card too? |
| 16:54.28 | Hanuman | not sure - it may handle the video card differently |
| 16:54.52 | Hanuman | different drivers or something - I'm just guessing, though |
| 16:55.07 | lukfugl | loaded default bios settings, no luck. Going to try getting th boot log through knoppix |
| 16:55.44 | Hanuman | you could try replacing pieces of hardware one by one until it works (if you have spare parts laying around) |
| 16:55.46 | hans | she didn't kick it when it didn't work, did she? :) Would that be like the temporal causality loop in star trek? |
| 16:55.59 | hans | maybe it's a sign that she needs to run Knoppix |
| 16:56.07 | Hanuman | It's the solar flares |
| 16:56.18 | Hanuman | Knoppix - solar flare resistant |
| 16:56.44 | Hanuman | The computer isn't named Clark Kent by chance is it? |
| 16:58.24 | Hanuman | lunch time |
| 17:00.01 | Bradipo | Lunch time? |
| 17:00.47 | lukfugl | that's an early lunch... |
| 17:08.48 | hans | he's on the east coast |
| 17:14.44 | lukfugl | ah |
| 17:15.00 | lukfugl | found the boot log in /WINDOWS/ntbtlog.txt |
| 17:15.14 | hans | does it have today's date? |
| 17:15.26 | lukfugl | but there's nothing in there but lots or "Loaded driver foo" and "Did not load driver bar" messages |
| 17:16.35 | lukfugl | yeah, todays date. The last driver it loaded was "\SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\Cdfs.SYS" |
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| 17:43.54 | lukfugl | hmmm, well, I've got her running knoppix (not the hdinstall) for the rest of the day (all she needs is web browsing, email and ICQ) until I can take a closer look at things tonight. Looks like you were right, Hans :) |
| 17:44.49 | hans | sounds like a success story for all them people that think Windows is less troublesome than Linux. |
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| 18:21.05 | Hanuman | With Windows you can know how to use it and still have problems. |
| 18:21.18 | Hanuman | With Linux the only problems one has is because they don't know how to use it. |
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| 19:54.17 | sjansen | We need at least one technical list. Maybe we can just send out periodic invitations to the plug list saying anyone that enjoys spending more time off topic than on should check out UUG. |
| 20:03.24 | ryan1 | hehehe. No doubt. |
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| 20:58.37 | tensai | Hanuman: we're looking at getting business cable (1.5/512) and they want $190/month for it. We may have to pay it because we don't really have any other options. |
| 21:03.15 | Hanuman | okay - last I looked they didn't have business cable. Or maybe they did and I didn't get it because it was too expensive - I can't remember. |
| 21:03.25 | Hanuman | thanks |
| 21:04.08 | Hanuman | that's actually not too bad compared to business dsl, though |
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| 21:15.08 | Hanuman | Cool - I'm learning MS SQL Server in Thai! I knew that would come in handy some day. |
| 21:16.46 | Hanuman | Not that knowing MS SQL server is handy - I'm just being forced to use it |
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| 21:24.57 | Hanuman | Unfortunately M$'s documentation is so bad and so widely unavailable that I had to speak Thai to find anything on how to do what I wanted to do |
| 21:32.47 | bonez39 | Thai...eh? you don't know Lee Tarbet, do you? |
| 21:37.02 | Hanuman | no - sorry |
| 21:48.04 | bonez39 | ok.... |
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| 22:25.13 | HarleyPig | Hi y'all! |
| 22:35.01 | neybar | hey |
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| 23:31.23 | bonez39 | is anyone here running 2.6? |
| 23:33.26 | levi | I am at home, when I bother to turn that computer on. :) |
| 23:35.15 | bonez39 | levi: any big holes in it? |
| 23:35.38 | bonez39 | I apt-got the source for it today..am going to open and compile and give it a try |
| 23:42.05 | levi | It appeared to work pretty normally for the time I used it. |
| 23:43.22 | levi | I do most of my computing on the eMac now, so I haven't played with it much lately. |
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